Does jesus exist?
zakmok90
Therion Ware
On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800 in alt.atheism, zakmok90
(zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>do think that jesus is coming bach
Vivaldi, Shirley?
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Liz
message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>do think that jesus is coming bach
mozart unlikely
Liz #658 BAAWA
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by arbitrarily assigning certainty where certainty is not justified. - Denis Loubet
SMChristenson
> do think that jesus is coming bach
No, he'd come back as Handel.
JPG
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> On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800 in alt.atheism, zakmok90
>(zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90)) said, directing the reply to
>alt.atheism
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>
>>do think that jesus is coming bach
Perhaps he's a scouser ? (UK joke), or a Welshman? (Welsh joke).
Either that or he is referring to the flower remedy man.
JPG
>
>Vivaldi, Shirley?
Therion Ware
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
<ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>
>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>
>
>mozart unlikely
Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
least it'll seem like it....
Fred Stone
> do think that jesus is coming bach
PDQ.
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sparkup
"Liz" <ehu...@donotspam.com> wrote in message
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> On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
> message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>
> >do think that jesus is coming bach
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> mozart unlikely
>
He could be coming back to punish us all Dvorak-ing off!
Robibnikoff
>
>do think that jesus is coming bach
What? Speak up! Beethoven didn't catch that.
Robyn
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"zakmok90" <zakm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> do think that jesus is coming bach
No. Bach is coming jesus!
AZ Mike
> do think that jesus is coming bach
I think it is verdi unlikely. <rimshot>
Hope...@earthlink.net
us all with:
>do think that jesus is coming bach
I'd rather Bach came back.
Faith
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Phÿltêr
news:yOj4c.6102$_4....@www.newsranger.com:
> In article <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com>, zakmok90
> says...
>>
>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>
> What? Speak up! Beethoven didn't catch that.
Yeah, English Sheepdogs aren't that skillful, nor agile.
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sparkup
Where d'ye think he's been Hayden all this time?
raven1
>do think that jesus is coming bach
No, but he may be coming Beethoven.
raven1
<autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
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>
>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>
>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>
>>
>>mozart unlikely
>
>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>least it'll seem like it....
In fairness, Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds.
As the saying goes, it has some wonderful moments. Interspersed, alas,
between some really tedious half-hours...
Vic Sagerquist
>
>
> On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800 in alt.atheism, zakmok90
>(zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90)) said, directing the reply to
>alt.atheism
>
>
>
>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>
>Vivaldi, Shirley?
>
>
Don't call me Shirley.
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> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>
>
>
>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>
>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>
>>
>>mozart unlikely
>
>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>least it'll seem like it....
Hey now! I love Wagner ;)
N'vok
I never knew that Jesus and Bach had a relationship...
And sure. The people in alt._atheism_ think that jesus exists.
Robibnikoff
>
>Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com> astounded us with:
>news:yOj4c.6102$_4....@www.newsranger.com:
>
>> In article <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com>, zakmok90
>> says...
>>>
>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>
>> What? Speak up! Beethoven didn't catch that.
>
>Yeah, English Sheepdogs aren't that skillful, nor agile.
I think you meant St. Bernard ;)
David V.
> do think that jesus is coming bach
How could someone/something that was never here come back?
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Therion Ware
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:48:12 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
(Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>In article <m0h350dr01ntltrjg...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
>><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>>
>>>
>>>mozart unlikely
>>
>>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>>least it'll seem like it....
>
>Hey now! I love Wagner ;)
I'm not sure how to break this but rigor mortis isn't always an
expression of love.
Robibnikoff
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:48:12 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
>(Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>) said, directing the reply to
>alt.atheism
>
>
>
>>In article <m0h350dr01ntltrjg...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
>>><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mozart unlikely
>>>
>>>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>>>least it'll seem like it....
>>
>>Hey now! I love Wagner ;)
>
>I'm not sure how to break this but rigor mortis isn't always an
>expression of love.
Erm....ah, well. Not sure how to respond to that! :)
Therion Ware
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:41:47 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
(Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>In article <trs350dbbde00dodv...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:48:12 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
>>(Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>) said, directing the reply to
>>alt.atheism
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <m0h350dr01ntltrjg...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
>>>><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>>>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>mozart unlikely
>>>>
>>>>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>>>>least it'll seem like it....
>>>
>>>Hey now! I love Wagner ;)
>>
>>I'm not sure how to break this but rigor mortis isn't always an
>>expression of love.
>
>Erm....ah, well. Not sure how to respond to that! :)
Carefully my dear. Carefully. I was of course being silly. You may
love his music, but the man, ah alas....
Dave Oldridge
news:cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com:
> do think that jesus is coming bach
He'll probably bring angels, though he might get Bach to play the organ!
<gd&r>
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I still say the Sailor's Chorus from The Flying Dutchman is a precursor
of rock'n roll!
And that crescendo in Tannhauser has to be a world's record, both for
length and for dynamic range!
Dave Oldridge
news:lh3450hk6p53cru8n...@4ax.com:
Hey, he ran off with Franz Liszt's daughter, had three children by her
and married her. In that order. Definitely NOT a prude.
John Ings
<dold...@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
>> do think that jesus is coming bach
>
>He'll probably bring angels, though he might get Bach to play the organ!
Did you hear about the new movie? It's about famous composers.
They've got Mel Gibson to play Brahms, and Bruce Willis to play
Beethoven. And when they approached Arnold Schwarzenegger
he said "I'll be Bach!"
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dreamer
wrote:
He left a note:
Gone chopin
with my listz
bach in a minuet
Kathy
Why? Verdi go?
Gollum Gollum
> do think that jesus is coming bach
Hell yeah he's coming back! And he's pissed. And this time his isn't any
wussy carpenter; this time he's coming back as a sheet metal worker from
Pittsburgh!
David V.
Jesus is a Teamster?
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I think it's reciprocal.
When one is done, they will swap positions. ;)
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>zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) wrote in
>news:cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com:
>
>> do think that jesus is coming bach
>
>He'll probably bring angels, though he might get Bach to play the organ!
If Jesus is coming Bach, then Jesus has already played Bach's organ. ;)
Ineedmoney
like Elvis?
Ed
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Is this a serious question? Is there a hidden point to this question
that I am missing? 'Is Jesus coming back?' Why would someone who may
or may not have excisted, but that certainly died a couple of thousand
years ago be coming back? I don't get it. Is my grand mother who died
last year coming back? I lost a Hamster when I was 7 years old and
miss it. Could someone tell me when I can expect it to come back? I
have never met anyone that came back and have lived under the
impression that people don't come back, with the possible exception of
ET.
Keep taking the pills.
Robibnikoff
says...
>
>On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:41:47 +0000 in episode
><Lvn4c.6138$_4....@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
><nos...@newsranger.com>:
>
>> In article <trs350dbbde00dodv...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:48:12 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
>>>(Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>) said, directing the reply to
>>>alt.atheism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <m0h350dr01ntltrjg...@4ax.com>, Therion Ware says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:32:19 GMT in alt.atheism, Liz (Liz
>>>>><ehu...@donotspam.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 12 Mar 2004 03:53:35 -0800, zakm...@yahoo.com (zakmok90) in news
>>>>>>message <cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>do think that jesus is coming bach
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mozart unlikely
>>>>>
>>>>>Pray it isn't Richard Wagner, otherwise we'll be here forever. Or at
>>>>>least it'll seem like it....
>>>>
>>>>Hey now! I love Wagner ;)
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how to break this but rigor mortis isn't always an
>>>expression of love.
>>
>> Erm....ah, well. Not sure how to respond to that! :)
>
>You smile, nod, and back carefully out of the room...
Sounds like the safest course of action to me ;)
Therion Ware
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:31:14 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
Heh. Try
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0156029030
and then say what you think.
Robibnikoff
Good gracious, I read that when I was a teenager ;)
Jesus_Online
hey looser.
I'm there.
so keep taking your pills.
1979.
Eclipse
I think that you're missing the point. The reason your grandmother and your
hamster will not be coming back is because they are not the son of god while
also BEING god at the same time. The reason Jesus will come back is because
he is God and can do whatever the hell he likes.
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David V.
>
> I think that you're missing the point. The reason your
> grandmother and your hamster will not be coming back is
> because they are not the son of god while also BEING god
> at the same time. The reason Jesus will come back is
> because he is God and can do whatever the hell he likes.
The difference between a grandmother, a hamster, and Jesus;
is that the grandmother and the hamster are real. Jesus is a
myth.
Mike Painter
"Michelle Malkin" <hypa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Ineedmoney" <ma...@atmycomputer.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:c34hn0$90n$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "zakmok90" <zakm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:cdcfafcf.04031...@posting.google.com...
> > > do think that jesus is coming bach
> >
> > like Elvis?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> Sounds m ore like Vivaldi.
Rite in the spring, or one of the four seasons.
(I know but rite of spring popped into my mind first.)
Samir Ribic
>
> And sure. The people in alt._atheism_ think that jesus exists.
There is economy relationship. Bach sold his music to church and
church sells pictures of Jesus to people.
Btw, I have seen Bach's grave in Leipzig. He was so honourable for
church that his tomb is inside chatedral.
Robert Schneider
> do think that jesus is coming bach
Oral sex doesn't work on corpses.
Therion Ware
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:28:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
Didn't we all? But don't tell Bush what can be done on a dollar a
page...
disciple
(possibly the UFO aliens) to take over the world by force at the battle of
armageddon. Then He will rule and reign on the Earth with His saints for a
thousand years of peace.
These things are prophecied in the Bible.
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the
fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning
of the creation.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of
God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in
the water:
2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water,
perished:
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word
are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
perdition of ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day
[is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any
should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and
godliness,
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new
heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be
diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
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disciple
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
>What kind of idiot posts 100 lines of bible quotes to an atheist
>newsgroup, imagining they prove anything?
_______________________________________________________________________________
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wrote:
>Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
>shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please,
>and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Just like all you in-your-face god-wankers, you are a stupid, rude,
mindless, thoroughly unpleasant individual.
<plonk>
David V.
> Yes, Jesus does exist,,,
You got the first line wrong, which means the rest is
probably just as inane.
Barrabus
> What kind of idiot posts 100 lines of bible quotes to an atheist
> newsgroup, imagining they prove anything?
it is called trolling, same thing idiot atheists do by posting Jesus
doesn't exist in a Christian NG.
Michelle Malkin
"disciple" <anti...@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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> Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
> shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please,
> and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
You failed. No surprise, since you are unable to do anything
but quote mythological nonsense. Apparently, you are unable
to phrase anything in your own words. This is quite common
in people who follow religions that tell them not to think for
themselves but just to blindly accept what they are told. And,
that is why you fail. You don't know how to think.
Thomas P.
wrote:
>Yes, Jesus does exist and He is coming back, with an army of angels
>(possibly the UFO aliens) to take over the world by force at the battle of
>armageddon. Then He will rule and reign on the Earth with His saints for a
>thousand years of peace.
Nonsense.
>These things are prophecied in the Bible.
So what?
snip
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
CUROSMITH
CUROSMITH
However, we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive but it
doesnt mean its not there. Other examples include:
LOVE, HATE, GRAVITY, POWER, WIND, RADIO TRANSMISSION AND THE LIKE AND
I COULD GO ON FOREVER. I WILL NOT NEED TO THOUGH BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARE
BURNING IT WILL ECHO IN THERE MIND ETERNALLY.
Therefor I say it is a disorder because it is a form of denial!
YOU CAN NOT SEE JESUS BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT THERE!!!
David V.
> The proud live for the moment because they do not have
> eternal life...
Since there is no eternal life, you'd better make this one
count. Only a fool prepares for a "life" that isn't going to
happen.
David V.
> Atheism is a disorder.
How can dealing with reality be a "disorder"? Believing in
fanciful, mythological, gods as you do is a mental illness.
Libertarius
CUROSMITH wrote:
> The proud live for the moment because they do not have eternal life...
===>Even the Bible says to "live for the moment", i.e.
enjoy THIS LIFE because that is all you get!
(Ecclesiastes Ch. 9) -- L.
Libertarius
CUROSMITH wrote:
> Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..".
===>That is nonsense. NO ONE says that!
> However, we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive
===>Go to Los Angeles if you really want to see it!
> but it
> doesnt mean its not there. Other examples include:
>
> LOVE, HATE, GRAVITY, POWER, WIND, RADIO TRANSMISSION AND THE LIKE
===>All OBSERVABLE, even MEASURABLE.
You cannot possibly come up with anything but such false analogies.
> AND
> I COULD GO ON FOREVER.
===>That is obvious. But you'll never find any evidence for your point.
> I WILL NOT NEED TO THOUGH BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARE
> BURNING IT WILL ECHO IN THERE MIND ETERNALLY.
===>That is just the same old stupid attempt at convincing by threatening
with such absurdities!
> Therefor I say it is a disorder because it is a form of denial!
>
> YOU CAN NOT SEE JESUS BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT THERE!!!
===>You live in a delusion.
A person under hypnosis or mentally ill can see a lot of things that
are not really there. It does not mean they ARE there! -- L.
GAB
> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>
>
> So what?
>
Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."
John 1:5
Christopher A. Lee
>>
>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>
>>
>> So what?
>>
>
>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
Cite the chapter and verse of this self-fulfilling prophecy.
>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."
>John 1:5
What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
Thomas P.
wrote:
>Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..".
No they don't.
>However, we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive
Yes we can.
but it
>doesnt mean its not there. Other examples include:
>LOVE, HATE, GRAVITY, POWER, WIND, RADIO TRANSMISSION AND THE LIKE AND
>I COULD GO ON FOREVER. I WILL NOT NEED TO THOUGH BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARE
>BURNING IT WILL ECHO IN THERE MIND ETERNALLY.
Some of the above are concepts not things. Others can be detected.
You are spouting inane nonsense.
>
>Therefor I say it is a disorder because it is a form of denial!
Therefore you are an idiot.
>
>YOU CAN NOT SEE JESUS BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT THERE!!!
He cannot be seen. The world exists just as one would expect if he
did not exist. There is no rational reason to believe he exists.
There is very good reason to believe you are an idiot.
Thomas P.
Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
Bob Crowley
Seems like Libby wants to keep a thread going or renewed, so we'd
better humour him.
I'll make the point that some, probably many, atheists would admit or
like to believe there are "parallel universes" based on the ponderings
of physicists.
Now rather obviously if they exist, we can't detect them either. We
can only conjecture, and say, "it seems possible".
But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
"spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
Offspring.
In short, anything but God.
I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
true.
Bob Crowley.
Bob Crowley.
Elroy Willis
> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
> It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
> Offspring.
> In short, anything but God.
The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
proven to produce them.
> I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
> bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
> true.
Since man is an animal, and other animals don't seem to worship
any gods, it seems to follow. I don't think it's natural, and is
forced on people by other people. I have heard several religious
people claim just the opposite, though, and they say that man is
naturally a spiritual animal and predisposed to god worship from the
moment they pop out of the womb.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
walksalone
expected managed to say nothing worth thought. But it sounded nice.
Follow ups set to AA & AB
> Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<405E434F.B85EB69C@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
>> CUROSMITH wrote:
>>
>>> Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..".
>>
>> ===>That is nonsense. NO ONE says that!
>>
>>> However, we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive
>>
>> ===>Go to Los Angeles if you really want to see it!
snip
>> ===>You live in a delusion.
>> A person under hypnosis or mentally ill can see a lot of things that
>> are not really there. It does not mean they ARE there! -- L.
> Seems like Libby wants to keep a thread going or renewed, so we'd
> better humour him.
Really, & here I thought all the BS you have been posting was just to keep
the thread alive. Go figure.
> I'll make the point that some, probably many, atheists would admit or
So, you have evidence that this is a valid thought, many, how many. 1%,
20%, 70%?
> like to believe there are "parallel universes" based on the ponderings
> of physicists.
Like to believe, now there is a option. Like to believe. Amazing the
circles xians in particular start just to sound impressive to themselves.
> Now rather obviously if they exist, we can't detect them either. We
If they exist, then they are detectable. Today may not have the
instruments, but physical objects, as humans think of them, are by
definition detectable.
We may never be able to go there, but verify them it is possible.
It is also [possible we may never be able to detect them, but if they
exist, they will have effects, & those can be detected if they intrude into
our universe. Of course, you can always move the goal posts like xians do
for their pantheon.
> can only conjecture, and say, "it seems possible".
And yet, you act as if that is a bad thing. Will these alternate universes
send you to hell if you don't believe in them?
> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
Speak for yourself, & then ask yourself, why would anyone fret over a
possibility that has a credence value of over
11999990000000^199999999999990001% of likelihood based on the claims of
those that claim such a universe does in fact exist. Not only does exist,
but is inhabited by some rather evil individuals.
> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
> It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
> Offspring.
Or it might be called the void, or it might be called the Planck[sp] limit,
or it might be called the GUT that Einstein sought. Call it what you want,
I call it deluded fearful imagination.
> In short, anything but God.
Why would you call an inanimate object god to start with. Granted, gods
don't appear to have either need or existence to the people that actually
read about them, but still.
> I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
> bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
> true.
As a rule it is false, else there would be no xians. It being based on one
of the nastier pantheons.
> Bob Crowley.
walksalone who doubts Bob knows that much about his mythology, but makes
adamn fine parrot for others that he thinks do.
Lawrence Seib
> bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
>
> > But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
> > "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours
> > is derived. It might be what is called the Mother
> > Universe, with ours the Offspring. In short, anything but God.
>
> The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
> rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
> to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
> proven to produce them.
When dealing with things that cannot be seen, precise definitions
are essential if you are to gain any useful knowledge about them.
That is why science has made great strides in chemistry and electronics.
Religions on the other hand purposefully keep definitions fuzzy so
that it is impossible to disprove them.
Larry
Ayin
perhaps the belief in God (and an after death life) does have it's
basis in the animal instinct to survive. perhaps humans just take
that natural survival instinct one step further in believing that
humans can survive even death.
the human imagination engenders the human ego and the human ego has
the ability to believe all kinds of fantastic things about itSelf.
i'm an agnostic so i can not honestly say that what we humans imagine
is actually true but since there are stranger things in this world
than can conjured in the minds of man
parallel universes and spiritual realms might exist. i see no harm in
believing in such things except that humans seem to need to force
conformity in such beliefs on others causing and justifying all manner
of heinous behaviors.
Elroy Willis
> Elroy Willis <e...@airmail.net> wrote in message
Exactly. Look in any dictionary under the word "spirit" and you'll
find at least half a dozen different meanings, if not more.
Libertarius
Bob Crowley wrote:
===>If there are, they would be truly PARALLEL, i.e. consisting of
matter/energy, same as ours. But no one ASSERTS that there are
such universes, as you guys ASSERT that there is some extra-cosmic
super-natural being that just popped into existence out of
nowhere and nowhen.
> Now rather obviously if they exist, we can't detect them either. We
> can only conjecture, and say, "it seems possible".
> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
> It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
> Offspring.
===>We know that THIS universe, consisting of matter/energy DOES exist.
There is no evidence of ANYTHING consisting of "spiritual".
A "spiritual universe" is just a play with words. Like a square circle.
Bobbie might as well object that for some reason, we cannot accept
there might just be a "square circle".
> In short, anything but God.
===>What do you mean by "God"???
I have already told you that the "God of Spinoza" DOES exist!
That is the TOTALITY OF ALL EXISTENCE, not some biblical
being sitting on a throne atop the sky dome covering a flat Earth,
as depicted in the Bible.
> I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
> bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God".
===>Most rational people will not believe in your puny, anthropomorphic
"creator" of ancient Hebrew fables, for whose existence there is no evidence
other than the fabrications of writers compiled in a book called "Bible".
Libertarius
==========
Elroy Willis
From:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=spirit
This is the 14th definition:
"14 capitalized, Christian Science : GOD 1b
synonym see COURAGE"
The Christians seem to want to have the last word, even in the
dictionary...
Elroy Willis
> Bob Crowley wrote:
>> Libertarius wrote in message
>>> CUROSMITH wrote:
>> Seems like Libby wants to keep a thread going or renewed, so we'd
>> better humour him.
>> I'll make the point that some, probably many, atheists would admit or
>> like to believe there are "parallel universes" based on the ponderings
>> of physicists.
> ===>If there are, they would be truly PARALLEL, i.e. consisting of
> matter/energy, same as ours. But no one ASSERTS that there are
> such universes, as you guys ASSERT that there is some extra-cosmic
> super-natural being that just popped into existence out of
> nowhere and nowhen.
As an atheist or non-believer or skeptic or whatever, I can say that
I don't personally believe in the "parallel universe" ideas. I think
such ideas are made up by physicists who still cling to some idea of
immortality, because if they were to blow themselves up by accident
in some experiment to prove their theory true, they'd have a deep
emotional instinct to try to get a message to other people to tell
them not to try the same experiment. It would be an act of
self-preservation of a kind, but one that couldn't be passed on if
the one to pass it on was blown up in the experiment.
Elroy Willis
> Elroy Willis <e...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>> bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
>>> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
>>> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
>>> It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
>>> Offspring.
>>> In short, anything but God.
>> The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
>> rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
>> to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
>> proven to produce them.
>>> I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
>>> bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
>>> true.
>> Since man is an animal, and other animals don't seem to worship
>> any gods, it seems to follow. I don't think it's natural, and is
>> forced on people by other people. I have heard several religious
>> people claim just the opposite, though, and they say that man is
>> naturally a spiritual animal and predisposed to god worship from the
>> moment they pop out of the womb.
> perhaps the belief in God (and an after death life) does have it's
> basis in the animal instinct to survive. perhaps humans just take
> that natural survival instinct one step further in believing that
> humans can survive even death.
I don't know many people who wouldn't want to live a little longer
than they probably will, and it's clear that the sellers of supposed
afterlives have been making a living for at least 8000 years or so.
If there's a market for something, then there's gonna be someone
to supply the market, past or present...
> the human imagination engenders the human ego and the human ego
> has the ability to believe all kinds of fantastic things about itSelf.
> i'm an agnostic so i can not honestly say that what we humans imagine
> is actually true but since there are stranger things in this world
> than can conjured in the minds of man parallel universes and spiritual
> realms might exist.
They're all just fantastic stories, meant to keep up hope in one
form or another.. Either for some individual ego, or for the imagined
ego of the entire human race or some specific group of people.
> i see no harm in believing in such things except that humans seem
> to need to force conformity in such beliefs on others causing and
> justifying all manner of heinous behaviors.
Maybe that will change one day, but I doubt it. That doesn't make
me a pessimist, just a realist...
Libertarius
Elroy Willis wrote:
===>And if you look in a book on World Mythology, you will find
HUNDREDS of different ideas of "GOD".
Mark K. Bilbo
<405cd...@news1.uncensored-news.com> we saw our hero "disciple"
<anti...@ineedhits-mail.com>:
> Yes, Jesus does exist
You just can't prove it. Just like all kinds of non-existent, irrelevant
things can't be proven...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
Mark K. Bilbo
<c4ce7da8.04032...@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB):
I did not know the absence of photons was a sentient being...
Mark K. Bilbo
<ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
<tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
>
>
>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>>
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>>
>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
>>
>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
>>it." John 1:5
>
> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
Amazing ennit?
Mark K. Bilbo
<a58d5cca.04032...@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
mari...@wavecable.com (CUROSMITH):
Somebody forgot to take his meds today....
Thomas P.
<y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:00:42 +0100 in episode
><ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>
>> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
>>>
>>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
>>>it." John 1:5
>>
>> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
>
>Amazing ennit?
The world is full of mystery - and idiots.
Mark K. Bilbo
<v7jv50ds27ft5d9tb...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
<tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:45:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:00:42 +0100 in episode
>><ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
>><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
>>>>
>>>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
>>>>it." John 1:5
>>>
>>> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
>>
>>Amazing ennit?
>
> The world is full of mystery - and idiots.
One of the things that kills me (now, back when I was christian I just
sort of blocked this stuff out) is how *banal the bible is so often. Like
"prophecies" there would be wars and rumors of wars.
Gee, that's only been pretty much all of history. What a prediction. Might
as well "prophesy" the sky will be blue and the sun will rise in the East...
Robibnikoff
>
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:45:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
><y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:00:42 +0100 in episode
>><ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
>><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
>>>>
>>>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
>>>>it." John 1:5
>>>
>>> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
>>
>>Amazing ennit?
>
>The world is full of mystery - and idiots.
<chuckle> Truer words were never spoken ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Not-easily-duped
I think Paul already answered your contention in his epistle to the
Corinthians and also in his speech before the aeropagus in Athen.
Though there may be many idols, we know that there is only one God and Lord
of mankind even Jesus.
Some still worship what they don't know just like the athenians who
used to call on the "UNKNOWN GOD".
Apparently your understanding of the Scriptures is very poor, loser.
Elroy Willis
> Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
>> Elroy Willis wrote:
>>> ls...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lawrence Seib) wrote in alt.atheism
>>>> Elroy Willis <e...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>>>>> bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
>>>>>> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
>>>>>> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours
>>>>>> is derived. It might be what is called the Mother
>>>>>> Universe, with ours the Offspring. In short, anything but God.
>>>>> The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
>>>>> rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
>>>>> to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
>>>>> proven to produce them.
>>>> When dealing with things that cannot be seen, precise definitions
>>>> are essential if you are to gain any useful knowledge about them.
>>>> That is why science has made great strides in chemistry and electronics.
>>>> Religions on the other hand purposefully keep definitions fuzzy so
>>>> that it is impossible to disprove them.
>>> Exactly. Look in any dictionary under the word "spirit" and you'll
>>> find at least half a dozen different meanings, if not more.
>> ===>And if you look in a book on World Mythology, you will find
>> HUNDREDS of different ideas of "GOD".
> I think Paul already answered your contention in his epistle to the
> Corinthians and also in his speech before the aeropagus in Athen.
What proof or evidence do you have that Paul was not just some
character invented by the Roman church? Any at all?
> Though there may be many idols, we know that there is only one God
> and Lord of mankind even Jesus.
You *know* no such thing. You might believe it because you want
to, but you don't really *know* that Christianity is true.
> Some still worship what they don't know just like the athenians who
> used to call on the "UNKNOWN GOD".
> Apparently your understanding of the Scriptures is very poor, loser.
Lemme guess... All those prior religions and gods were inspired by
the devil?
Libertarius
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800 in episode
> <c4ce7da8.04032...@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
> gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB):
>
> >
> >> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
> >>
> >>
> >> So what?
> >>
> >>
> > Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
> >
> > "The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
> > it." John 1:5
>
> I did not know the absence of photons was a sentient being...
===>Without an ability to comprehend the presence of photons?
Libertarius
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:55:10 -0800 in episode
> <a58d5cca.04032...@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
> mari...@wavecable.com (CUROSMITH):
>
> > Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..". However,
> > we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive but it doesnt mean its
> > not there. Other examples include:
> >
> > LOVE, HATE, GRAVITY, POWER, WIND, RADIO TRANSMISSION AND THE LIKE AND I
> > COULD GO ON FOREVER. I WILL NOT NEED TO THOUGH BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARE
> > BURNING IT WILL ECHO IN THERE MIND ETERNALLY.
> >
> > Therefor I say it is a disorder because it is a form of denial!
> >
> > YOU CAN NOT SEE JESUS BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT THERE!!!
>
> Somebody forgot to take his meds today....
===>Recall that Martin Luther threw his ink bottle at the Devil
that appeared to him! -- L.
Libertarius
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:58:24 +0100 in episode
> <v7jv50ds27ft5d9tb...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
> <tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:45:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:00:42 +0100 in episode
> >><ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
> >><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
> >>
> >>> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
> >>>>
> >>>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
> >>>>it." John 1:5
> >>>
> >>> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
> >>
> >>Amazing ennit?
> >
> > The world is full of mystery - and idiots.
>
> One of the things that kills me (now, back when I was christian I just
> sort of blocked this stuff out) is how *banal the bible is so often. Like
> "prophecies" there would be wars and rumors of wars.
>
> Gee, that's only been pretty much all of history. What a prediction. Might
> as well "prophesy" the sky will be blue and the sun will rise in the East...
===>Don't forget earthquakes and hunger....
Libertarius
Not-easily-duped
who has been duped and is duping himself,
wrote:
===>You have problems with reading comprehension.
As I recall, he says there ARE many gods and many lords,
NOT that there "may be"!
And he adds that "for us" there is a specific god and
a specific lord.
When you read something, do you always make it say
what you WANT it to say?
> Some still worship what they don't know
===>Such as YOU!
> just like the athenians who used to call on the "UNKNOWN GOD".
===>At least the Athenian were HONEST! Not like you and the
founder of your cult, Saul/Paul of Tarsus.
> Apparently your understanding of the Scriptures is very poor, loser.
===>My understanding is EXCELLENT.
Your ability to read, however, does need improvement.
(See my comment above).
You are just the opposite of what you call yourself:
you HAVE BEEN duped and are still duping even
yourself! -- L.
Thomas P.
I had an uncle with a problem like that, but he doesn't drink anymore.
Thomas P.
<y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:58:24 +0100 in episode
><v7jv50ds27ft5d9tb...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:45:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:00:42 +0100 in episode
>>><ii3t50hhpsb3rl8jm...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Thomas P.
>>><tonyofbexa...@yahoo.dk>:
>>>
>>>> On 21 Mar 2004 19:56:49 -0800, gdog...@earthlink.net (GAB) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >These things are prophecied in the Bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Your response, "So what?" is prophecied in the Bible too.
>>>>>
>>>>>"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood
>>>>>it." John 1:5
>>>>
>>>> Someone prohecied that some people would not believe nonsense? Wow!
>>>
>>>Amazing ennit?
>>
>> The world is full of mystery - and idiots.
>
>One of the things that kills me (now, back when I was christian I just
>sort of blocked this stuff out) is how *banal the bible is so often. Like
>"prophecies" there would be wars and rumors of wars.
>
>Gee, that's only been pretty much all of history. What a prediction. Might
>as well "prophesy" the sky will be blue and the sun will rise in the East...
Or a prominent politician will say something not quite true.
Mark K. Bilbo
<fc872453936cf853...@news.teranews.com> we saw our hero
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth>:
Luther was always a bit... odd...
Libertarius
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:30:15 +0000 in episode
> <fc872453936cf853...@news.teranews.com> we saw our hero
> Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:55:10 -0800 in episode
> >> <a58d5cca.04032...@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
> >> mari...@wavecable.com (CUROSMITH):
> >>
> >> > Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..".
> >> > However, we can not see the very breath that keeps us alive but it
> >> > doesnt mean its not there. Other examples include:
> >> >
> >> > LOVE, HATE, GRAVITY, POWER, WIND, RADIO TRANSMISSION AND THE LIKE AND
> >> > I COULD GO ON FOREVER. I WILL NOT NEED TO THOUGH BECAUSE WHEN THEY ARE
> >> > BURNING IT WILL ECHO IN THERE MIND ETERNALLY.
> >> >
> >> > Therefor I say it is a disorder because it is a form of denial!
> >> >
> >> > YOU CAN NOT SEE JESUS BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT THERE!!!
> >>
> >> Somebody forgot to take his meds today....
> >
> > ===>Recall that Martin Luther threw his ink bottle at the Devil that
> > appeared to him! -- L.
>
> Luther was always a bit... odd...
===>Lots of precedents in the history of religion.
Bob Crowley
> bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
>
> > But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
> > "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
> > It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
> > Offspring.
>
> > In short, anything but God.
>
> The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
> rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
> to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
> proven to produce them.
>
> > bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
> > true.
>
> Since man is an animal, and other animals don't seem to worship
> any gods, it seems to follow. I don't think it's natural, and is
> forced on people by other people. I have heard several religious
> people claim just the opposite, though, and they say that man is
> naturally a spiritual animal and predisposed to god worship from the
> moment they pop out of the womb.
Man is a hybrid, animal and spirit. Amphibious if you like. That
science and psychology etc. seem to push "spirit" more and more out of
the realm of the intellect is not a problem. For one thing, we don't
know what "spirit" is. Nor do we know exactly what part it plays in
the human psyche.
Personally I'll take a long distance punt. I believe we will one day
learn to teleport material items and living beings. Supposedly this
is impossible but the list of "impossible" things which have become
possible is getting longer and longer.
When we first begin to teleport living things, I suspect that all of
the early attempts will prove fatal ie. a dead body will arrive.
Eventually we'll get around it somehow, but in that period when we can
only teleport material items (non-living) we will realise that we have
a "spirit".
This is conjecture, yet I believe it will happen.
We are already teleporting photons. Now that is a very long way from
teleporting human beings, but then Robert Goddard's liquid fuelled
rocket which went about as high as a telegraph pole was a long way
from Apollo 11. But it only took 46 years to go from one to the
other.
Bob Crowley.
Elroy Willis
> Elroy Willis <e...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>> bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
>>> But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
>>> "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
>>> It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
>>> Offspring.
>>> In short, anything but God.
>> The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
>> rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
>> to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
>> proven to produce them.
>>> I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
>>> bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
>>> true.
>> Since man is an animal, and other animals don't seem to worship
>> any gods, it seems to follow. I don't think it's natural, and is
>> forced on people by other people. I have heard several religious
>> people claim just the opposite, though, and they say that man is
>> naturally a spiritual animal and predisposed to god worship from the
>> moment they pop out of the womb.
> Man is a hybrid, animal and spirit. Amphibious if you like. That
> science and psychology etc. seem to push "spirit" more and more out of
> the realm of the intellect is not a problem. For one thing, we don't
> know what "spirit" is. Nor do we know exactly what part it plays in
> the human psyche.
I quit believing in some "spirit" or "breath of life" when I was just
a young child. Dunno if it was when I learned about CPR, or if it
was from an episode of Star Trek based on CPR, and the fact that
people can "breathe life" into dead animals, but nevertheless,
the air in our lungs and oxygen are not really "spirits" at all.
> Personally I'll take a long distance punt. I believe we will one day
> learn to teleport material items and living beings. Supposedly this
> is impossible but the list of "impossible" things which have become
> possible is getting longer and longer.
After you teleport them, you destroy the original copy? What if the
original copy doesn't want to be destroyed?
> When we first begin to teleport living things, I suspect that all of
> the early attempts will prove fatal ie. a dead body will arrive.
> Eventually we'll get around it somehow, but in that period when we can
> only teleport material items (non-living) we will realise that we have
> a "spirit".
> This is conjecture, yet I believe it will happen.
I like the "replacement bit by bit scenario" to do away with
some actual soul idea. We can currently replace human limbs
with artificial limbs, and that doesn't make the people any less human
in my opinion. Put in a pig heart or lung, and that won't matter
either, unless you're a superstitious person.
What makes us human is not entirely our flesh bodies, but rather
our minds, which are the same thing as our brains and all of the
memories stored in them, like biological hard drives of a sort.
There is no need to imagine some "ghost in the machine" to explain our
thoughts and memories and experiences as far as I'm concerned, and
no need to imagine some miraculous "breath of life" given by some god,
when we can use a plastic pump to push air into a person's lungs to
get oxygen to their bloodstream and brains. Take away the oxygen to
our brains and we will die, just like drowning.
If there is a "ghost in the machine" with regards to mammals and
humans, I'd say the ghost is oxygen, not some creator of the universe,
unless you happen to believe that oxygen is capable of creating a
universe.
Libertarius
Bob Crowley wrote:
> Elroy Willis <e...@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<gbkt50thcu7c1ji8d...@4ax.com>...
> > bobcr...@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in alt.atheism
> >
> > > But for some reason, they cannot accept there might just be a
> > > "spiritual universe" parallel to ours, or from which ours is derived.
> > > It might be what is called the Mother Universe, with ours the
> > > Offspring.
> >
> > > In short, anything but God.
> >
> > The problem is that I, like many other atheists, see "spirit" as a
> > rather nebulous concept to begin with. A spirit world is not needed
> > to explain human thoughts and emotions, since the brain can be
> > proven to produce them.
> >
> > > I well remember the statement of an old pastor I knew, who said rather
> > > bluntly "Man doesn't WANT to believe in God". And as a rule, it's
> > > true.
> >
> > Since man is an animal, and other animals don't seem to worship
> > any gods, it seems to follow. I don't think it's natural, and is
> > forced on people by other people. I have heard several religious
> > people claim just the opposite, though, and they say that man is
> > naturally a spiritual animal and predisposed to god worship from the
> > moment they pop out of the womb.
>
> Man is a hybrid, animal and spirit.
===>That is a FANTASY.
There is no difference in kind between man and other
mammals.
> Amphibious if you like. That
> science and psychology etc. seem to push "spirit" more and more out of
> the realm of the intellect is not a problem. For one thing, we don't
> know what "spirit" is. Nor do we know exactly what part it plays in
> the human psyche.
===>"Spirit" is just the air you breathe.
Unless you believe you are inhaling some alien spores and
become possessed, like the story of the Body Snatchers. ;-) -- L.
duke
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
>> Atheism is a disorder. They say, "I only believe what I see..".
>===>That is nonsense. NO ONE says that!
You do.
>
Libertarius
duke wrote:
===>We are used to your lies.
That was just the latest one. -- L.
>
>
> >
Not-easily-duped
> Codeb...@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) >> HUNDREDS of different ideas of "GOD".
>
> > I think Paul already answered your contention in his epistle to the
> > Corinthians and also in his speech before the aeropagus in Athen.
>
> What proof or evidence do you have that Paul was not just some
> character invented by the Roman church? Any at all?
What proof do you have that he was a character invented by
the Roman Church and why do you think it had to?
Those unable to think and figure out any issue in a rationable
manner have only one weapon:denial and it is the weakest weapon
I know of.
It is easier to say this never existed than to explain why this
happened the way it did. even a fool can do that
>
> > Though there may be many idols, we know that there is only one God
> > and Lord of mankind even Jesus.
>
> You *know* no such thing. You might believe it because you want
> to, but you don't really *know* that Christianity is true.
>
> > Some still worship what they don't know just like the athenians who
> > used to call on the "UNKNOWN GOD".
> > Apparently your understanding of the Scriptures is very poor, loser.
>
> Lemme guess... All those prior religions and gods were inspired by
> the devil?
Oh yes, polytheism and idols worship in the time of ignorance were
inspired b the devils. Don't tell me you did nt know that.
This is one the importants themes discussed in the bible
and the Qur'an, how come a sophisticated atheist as you claimed
missed that important point.
you missed that