Fred Glaysher
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Frederick Glaysher please post here that you have. There is concern
growing about Fred's whereabouts. Fred has been missing for some time
now from the net and his absence on these boards is uncharacteristic.
Several people have been consistently emailing him without reply for a
few months now. Two other people have tried to snail mail old PO Box
addresses for some kind of reply by him. Nada!
Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
establishment will be held directly responsible.
Wahid Azal
Viv
>
> Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> establishment will be held directly responsible.
>
> Wahid Azal
And here we were thinking you might actually have some human concern.
We should have known better.
V.
John MacLeod
On his website http://www.fglaysher.com/reformbahai/update.htm there are
a couple of recently dated news snippets. That's if I read US dates
right. They're unsigned but it is his web-site.
I hope he's OK.
Sock-Puppet'ullah wrote:
--
John MacLeod
http://seekinglayliinthebush.blogspot.com/
PaulHammond
>
> Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> establishment will be held directly responsible.
>
> Wahid Azal
Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAH!
We're EVIL!
(Sorry, just watched "Bedazzled" again the other day - impressed by
Peter Cook's take on the Devil)
Paul
(btw - if you don't give in now, we'll send a computer virus that will
kill your cat and turn your milk sour)
Viv
Paul,
Watch for an outburst of spam from the Great Windbag of Queen's Land,
about how Paul Hammond has ADMITTED he is a Baha'i and has given
PRIMA FACIE evidence of a DEATH PLOT against Fred Glaysher.....
Viv.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> On 22 Sep, 06:28, "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a serious query:
>
> > Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> > establishment will be held directly responsible.
>
> > Wahid Azal
>
> Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!
You would. You are thugs, criminals and genocidal maniacs. The people
you work for did that to David Kelly.
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Frederick Glaysher please post here that you have. There is concern
growing about Fred's whereabouts. Fred has been missing for some time
now from the net and his absence on these boards is uncharacteristic.
Several people have been consistently emailing him without reply for a
few months now. Two other people have tried to snail mail old PO Box
addresses for some kind of reply by him. Nada!
Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> On his websitehttp://www.fglaysher.com/reformbahai/update.htmthere are
> a couple of recently dated news snippets. That's if I read US dates
> right. They're unsigned but it is his web-site.
> I hope he's OK.
Me too. Fred's input is missed hereabouts. Note that there are other
people besides Fred involved in the RBM, so the announcements could be
by anyone.
W
Viv
David Kelly was buried in a shallow grave?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> David Kelly was buried in a shallow grave?
You are better positioned to answer that question than anyone here.
W
Viv
But you're the one that says he was. I questiond your statement. It
seems you lack the courage to answer. No change there then.
PaulHammond
This is what I was expecting.
Susan Maneck made a joke about getting paid to swindle Nima, and he's
been spamming on about that for weeks recently!
Máirseáil Rí Laoise
"Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c2292f73-48db-4160...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> This is a serious query: if anyone has recently heard from or seen
> Frederick Glaysher please post here that you have. There is concern
> growing about Fred's whereabouts. Fred has been missing for some time
> now from the net and his absence on these boards is uncharacteristic.
> Several people have been consistently emailing him without reply for a
> few months now. Two other people have tried to snail mail old PO Box
> addresses for some kind of reply by him. Nada!
So Fred is trying to get away from you and you're pursuing him!
Good luck Fred in your bolt for freedom!
I noticed you never got anxious when I was absent hereabouts ... and
absolutely nothing about the Banyani establishment being responsible for my
disappearance. I fact I think you gloated that you and you alone for my
demise ... reports of which, were, unfortunately, greatly exaggerated.
> Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> establishment will be held directly responsible.
Mebbe Fannie Mae done him in
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> On 23 Sep, 11:41, "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 23, 8:30 pm, Viv <viv_jacob...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > David Kelly was buried in a shallow grave?
>
> > You are better positioned to answer that question than anyone here.
>
> > W
>
> But you're the one that says he was.
No, I wasn't you were did under your Paul Hammond alias. You brought
it up again under your Viv alias, and I responded that you are better
positioned to answer that question than anyone else. QED
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Mebbe Fannie Mae done him in
No, if anyone has done Fred in, it would be the people who fill your
bank account for sitting behind a keyboard and posting to TRB.
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Fred's whereabouts. Something is definitely up, and their
responsibility in whatever it is, is now unassailable.
W
Viv
You're the one who introduced David Kelly, you're the one who said
Paul Hammond's employers had buried him in a shallow grave, you're the
one who's now trying to wriggle out rather than just admit you made a
silly mistake for the sake of a "clever" comment. Anyone who cares to
look back through the thread can see that. And it's all archived so
people can look back and see what a pathetic fantasist and liar you
are. Do you never tire of shooting yourself in the foot?
V.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> You're the one who introduced David Kelly, you're the one who said
> Paul Hammond's employers had buried him in a shallow grave,
Either you suffer from Alzheimer's disease, or the bahaim standards of
veracity keep descending farther and farther down the abyss of total
inversion of bullshit. To my inquiry about Fred Glaysher, your alter
ego Paul Hammond said:
PH: Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!
To which I replied,
WA: "You would. You are thugs, criminals and genocidal maniacs. The
people you work for did that to David Kelly."
As demonstrated, the first suggestion of people being buried in
shallow graves was put forth by your alter ego Paul Hammond. You then
jumped in with your Viv Jacobson alias and retored:
VJ: David Kelly was buried in a shallow grave?
To which I replied,
WA: You are better positioned to answer that question than anyone
here.
Since you, under your alter ego, brought up the subject of burying
people in shallow graves, the onus is on you.
>you're the
> one who's now trying to wriggle out rather than just admit you made a
> silly mistake for the sake of a "clever" comment.
I ain't trying to wiggle out of anything. You under the Paul Hammond
alias brought up "burying people in shallow graves" in the first place
and now, given the embarrassing situation you have yourself in, are
the only trying
This above demonstrates who said what, and above all, demonstrates the
decrepit bahaim standards of truth, honesty and fair play = total
opportunism, lies and sleaze.
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
To which I replied,
To which I replied,
place,
and now, given the embarrassing situation you have yourself in, are
the one trying to wiggle out of the statement about "burying people in
shallow graves."
This above demonstrates who said what, and above all, demonstrates the
decrepit bahaim standards of truth, honesty and fair play = total
opportunism, lies, misdirection and sleaze.
Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
comment
about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
Hammond. But
nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
cold blooded killers.
W
Viv
Thanks for the admission hidden away in the verbiage that it was you
who brought David kelly in and made the nonsensical statment that he
was buried in a shallow grave. Of course even you could hardly deny it
as it's there on the thread.
You're doing a lot of obfuscation, repeating the old Viv=Paul line,
dragging David Kelly in, increasing the length of your wriggling and
ranting contributions. Poor old Fred seems to have slipped out of the
picture (entirely your doing) - still, I suppose he's served your
purpose.
V.
bah...@gmail.com
im afraid that no one can honestly take you seriously. You have clear
and true signs of bi-polar disorder with grandiose delusional
tendencies and hyper paranoia. Im sure Fred is fine. He is probably
writing another mediocre book. Given the real estate markets are
completely shot, especially in Michigan...perhaps he is taking a bit
of a hiatus.
Instead of accusing Baha'is of your demented and concocted
ideas...call his frigging office and ask for him.
PaulHammond
Sock-Puppet'ullah wrote:
I never said that David Kelly had been buried. Neither did Viv.
That was a suggestion you came up with.
PaulHammond
Sock-Puppet'ullah wrote:
Look, Nima - I already admitted that we killed him! What more could
you possibly want from us?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> You're the one who introduced David Kelly, you're the one who said
> Paul Hammond's employers had buried him in a shallow grave,
Either you suffer from Alzheimer's disease, or the bahaim standards of
veracity keep descending farther and farther down the abyss of total
inversion of bullshit. To my inquiry about Fred Glaysher, your alter
ego Paul Hammond said:
PH: Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!
To which I replied,
WA: "You would. You are thugs, criminals and genocidal maniacs. The
people you work for did that to David Kelly."
As demonstrated, the first suggestion of people being buried in
shallow graves was put forth by your alter ego Paul Hammond. You then
jumped in with your Viv Jacobson alias and retored:
VJ: David Kelly was buried in a shallow grave?
To which I replied,
WA: You are better positioned to answer that question than anyone
here.
Since you, under your alter ego, brought up the subject of burying
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> Nima,
>
> im afraid that no one can honestly take you seriously.
If no one didn't take me seriously, you wouldn't spend so much time
online responding to things I say, devote an entire sub-committee of
your Internet Committee just to me, and have this committee regularly
hack into my email accounts and that of my friends and family, and
generally follow me online and in real life. You people take me most
seriously, and your actions speak it louder than your empty words.
Now you were saying regarding the whereabouts of Frederick Glaysher
which Paul Hammond retorted with the following,
"Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!"
In case anything has happened to Fred, I am sure the investigating
police would be most interested to know about Hammond's statement
here.
W
Máirseáil Rí Laoise
> Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
> comment
> about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
> Hammond. But
> nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
> cold blooded killers.
If you actually had a sense of the ridiculous or humour, you'd probably
substantially reduce the number of times you look like the total twat you
are.
Mind you, you wouldn't be as much fun as you are!
Sock-Puppet'ullah
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:42746b89-f2bb-4d29...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
> > comment
> > about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
> > Hammond. But
> > nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
> > cold blooded killers.
>
> If you actually had a sense of the ridiculous or humour,
Bullshit. Palu was unequivocally expressing his inner sentiments on
the matter. No humor there.
W
Máirseáil Rí Laoise
On Sep 29, 9:55 am, "Máirseáil Rí Laoise"
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:42746b89-f2bb-4d29...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
> > comment
> > about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
> > Hammond. But
> > nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
> > cold blooded killers.
>
> If you actually had a sense of the ridiculous or humour,
SP
Bullshit. Palu was unequivocally expressing his inner sentiments on
the matter. No humor there.
MRL
You're in a minority of one if you believe that.
I would think that Paul is far too shrewd to declare his intent to murder
Fred (or anybody else) on the Internet. The whole knack of committing
murder is to not be identified as a possible suspect. That's why nobody has
ever threatened you and why I treat your various threats made against me as
so much bullshit ... if anything untoward ever happened me, then you'd have
identified yourself as the most likely perpetrator and liable to be taken
out by lawful authority as a consequence.
Perhaps Fred got bored and moved on. You're fond of the phone ... why not
find out?
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:14ed60c8-7ce3-4c0d...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 29, 9:55 am, "Máirseáil Rí Laoise"
>
> <grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:42746b89-f2bb-4d29...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
> > > comment
> > > about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
> > > Hammond. But
> > > nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
> > > cold blooded killers.
>
> > If you actually had a sense of the ridiculous or humour,
>
> SP
> Bullshit. Palu was unequivocally expressing his inner sentiments on
> the matter. No humor there.
>
> MRL
> You're in a minority of one if you believe that.
Better to be a minority of one in the right, than a whole majority
posse of guilty-as-sin scheisters such as you and palu. Truth and
facts have never been by consensus, in any case, so numbers mean
shite.
See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU
BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques
"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais
Máirseáil Rí Laoise
On Sep 29, 8:54 pm, "Máirseáil Rí Laoise"
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:14ed60c8-7ce3-4c0d...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 29, 9:55 am, "Máirseáil Rí Laoise"
>
> <grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:42746b89-f2bb-4d29...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yet, this still does not explain the absence of Fred Glaysher and the
> > > comment
> > > about "burying people in shallow graves" by your alter ego Paul
> > > Hammond. But
> > > nice admission anyway by your Palu alias that you people are indeed
> > > cold blooded killers.
>
> > If you actually had a sense of the ridiculous or humour,
>
> SP
> Bullshit. Palu was unequivocally expressing his inner sentiments on
> the matter. No humor there.
>
> MRL
> You're in a minority of one if you believe that.
SP
Better to be a minority of one in the right,
MRL
I agree! What a pity that when you're in a minority you're invariably
wrong!
SP
than a whole majority
posse of guilty-as-sin scheisters such as you and palu.
MRL
Ah! The tree-huggers ... the whole mass of cretinous beings who run around
ranting about global warming and how we have to stop it.
SP
Truth and
facts have never been by consensus, in any case, so numbers mean
shite.
MRL
If only we could arrive at objective truth that is provable, then the
believers would be in a majority for no sensible being could deny proven
fact. Your problem is that you find it impossible to distinguish between
your assertions and fact. Do you even know the meaning of the words,
evidence, fact and truth? Can you separate fact from opinion or cause from
effect or even vice versa?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
It would appear the Haifan Bahaim establishment has done something to
Frederick Glaysher. I presented the following query on September 22nd
(see link above), and one of the immediate responses was the
following:
--
Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,
soc.culture.iranian, talk.religion.misc
From: PaulHammond <pahamm...@onetel.net.uk>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Sep 23 2008 7:10 am
Subject: Re: Fred Glaysher
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On 22 Sep, 06:28, "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a serious query:
> Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> establishment will be held directly responsible.
> Wahid Azal
Yeah! We killed him, and buried him in a shallow grave!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAH!
We're EVIL!
(Sorry, just watched "Bedazzled" again the other day - impressed by
Peter Cook's take on the Devil)
Paul
(btw - if you don't give in now, we'll send a computer virus that will
kill your cat and turn your milk sour)
--
Please be advised that anything that has happened to Fred Glaysher
would be at the direct, criminal instigation of the Haifan Bahai
establishment, which in the United States in headquartered in
Wilmette, Illinois. This organization is quite capable of any/all
criminal act(s), including murder and assassination, among other
things.
W
Finnegan's Wake
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/76cee42d1b7a2676/f70f9d2d02d6f4ff
>
> It would appear the Haifan Bahaim establishment has done something to
> Frederick Glaysher.
It bored him to sobs!
%^%$##$@!
"Máirseáil Rí Laoise" <grim_NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:MJOdnQKN98c...@bt.com...
> Can you separate fact from opinion or cause from effect or even vice
> versa?
I can, can you?
Can you separate, for instance, your lies from your transparent sectarian
fantasies here:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/
thread/bd7e852c70316c9/d146728618637ab4?
lnk=st&q=Guardian&rnum=3#d146728618637ab4
"The Beloved Guardian assured us that those diseased people who
attacked the Cause of God would deservedly suffer and be destroyed
and behold, this vicious one was struck down exactly as you will be
destroyed for your wanton and outrageous lies and calumnies
All Bad
> Very fishy how the IT committee is attempting to misdirect regarding
> Fred's whereabouts. Something is definitely up, and their
> responsibility in whatever it is, is now unassailable.
>
It is very fishy that you made _no_effort_ to contact his known next of kin.
Instead you just start pretending you have serious concerns and take it up
with people who are hundreds to thousands of kilometers of his last known
location!
Contact his wife, eedjeet!
http://www.oakland.k12.mi.us/WelcometoOSEnglish/ESLBilingualCoordinator/tabid/980/Default.aspx
Seriously, it is not at all fishy for you to play the fool; it is standard
operting procedure.
- All Bad
Finnegan's Wake
"%^%$##$@!" <nom...@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:5vGFk.2920$sc2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Máirseáil Rí Laoise" <grim_NOSPA...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> message news:MJOdnQKN98c...@bt.com...
>> Can you separate fact from opinion or cause from effect or even vice
>> versa?
>
> I can, can you?
Can you can me? It'll take a bloody great big can ... though not of the size
required to can your ego.
>
> Can you separate, for instance, your lies from your transparent sectarian
> fantasies here:
Of course I can - for starters I don't do sectarianism and I don't do
fantasies. Those are your fields and I just can't compete with you
Finnegan's Wake
"All Bad" <AllBad_n...@md.metrocast.net> wrote in message
news:m9ydnWW_IZedK3rV...@metrocastcablevision.com...
>
> "Sock-Puppet'ullah" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3dd0918b-ebeb-4415...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> Very fishy how the IT committee is attempting to misdirect regarding
>> Fred's whereabouts. Something is definitely up, and their
>> responsibility in whatever it is, is now unassailable.
>>
>
> It is very fishy that you made _no_effort_ to contact his known next of
> kin.
He just carps and carps ... very fishy indeed!
> Instead you just start pretending you have serious concerns and take it up
> with people who are hundreds to thousands of kilometers of his last known
> location!
>
> Contact his wife, eedjeet!
>
> http://www.oakland.k12.mi.us/WelcometoOSEnglish/ESLBilingualCoordinator/tabid/980/Default.aspx
>
> Seriously, it is not at all fishy for you to play the fool; it is standard
> operting procedure.
It might even be standard operating procedure.
>
>
> - All Bad
>
Sock-Puppet'ullah
> This is a serious query: if anyone has recently heard from or seen
> Frederick Glaysher please post here that you have. There is concern
> growing about Fred's whereabouts. Fred has been missing for some time
> now from the net and his absence on these boards is uncharacteristic.
> Several people have been consistently emailing him without reply for a
> few months now. Two other people have tried to snail mail old PO Box
> addresses for some kind of reply by him. Nada!
>
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Death to Haifan Bahaism
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Sock-Puppet'ullah
Sock-Puppet'ullah
jimha...@gmail.com
Fred has been working on a major revision of the Reform Baha'i Faith
Web site.
Apart from that, he might have found some better ways to do whatever
he was doing here, besides posting in Internet discussions.
Jim
Finnegan's Wake
<jimha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e84d9a3-296e-42df...@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
FW
Oh poor misguided Jimbo! Thou hast just incurred the eternal wrath of the
GINA (Great Iranian Nationalist (living in) Australia)!
All Bad
Jim
Thanks Jim,
Hopefully we can focus on the Evols of Wikipedia, and the TJC, now that they
murder of Fred has been solved.
- All Bad
jimha...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Thanks Jim,
>
> Hopefully we can focus on the Evols of Wikipedia, and the TJC, now that they
> murder of Fred has been solved.
>
> - All Bad
I just discovered that he's also been working on a major revision of
his personal Web site, and on a new blog.
Finnegan's Wake
<jimha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cacf1b13-5650-4bff...@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
FW
Jim, on the basis of what you have said here, may one assume that you have
had contact with Fred? If so, is he aware of the recent controversies in
which it has been alleged that he has been murdered by persons acting for or
on behalf of the particular Bahai denomination that owes allegiance to an
institution based in Haifa?
jimha...@gmail.com
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> <jimhabeg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> I just discovered that he's also been working on a major revision of
> his personal Web site, and on a new blog.
>
> > had contact with Fred? If so, is he aware of the recent controversies in
> > which it has been alleged that he has been murdered by persons acting for or
> > on behalf of the particular Bahai denomination that owes allegiance to an
> > institution based in Haifa?
Fred doesn't talk to me. I kept searching until I found what I was
looking for. I know about the revision of his Web site because it was
updated last week. Anyone can see it.
I know about his new blog because there's a link to it on the Web
site.
Jim
Eric Stetson
To All:
I can assure you that Fred Glaysher is very much alive, because I just
received an email from him yesterday.
Eric
jimha...@gmail.com
> had contact with Fred? If so, is he aware of the recent controversies in
> which it has been alleged that he has been murdered by persons acting for or
> on behalf of the particular Bahai denomination that owes allegiance to an
> institution based in Haifa?
I wouldn't call those controversies. I've seen a lot of friendly
joking and clowning, but to have a controversy, there would have to be
arguments for and against the allegation. I haven't seen any. Have
you?
Jim
jimha...@gmail.com
I see some possible common ground between Fred's vision and your
Christian Universalism. Have you read his Globe blog? That was my
first introduction to Yeats's vision. Have you ever read about it?
I'm very interested in the poem Fred's working on now, "The Parliament
of Poets."
Jim
Jim
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FW
Well, Jim, to thee, me and a balance of sensible folks hereabouts, there has
been a fair deal of joking and clowning. Unfortunately there is one sad
individual who does not see it that way and got extremely upset about Fred's
murder ... especially as he was the only one who actually believed Fred had
been murdered. Most of us thought Fred was away off somewhere doing his own
thing I think the news that Fred is safe and well (for which I thank God)
will cause this individual no end of disappointment.
Fortunately, as the confirmation has come from Eric, who has been soundly
and roudly condemned by this individual, I shall tune into TRB tomorrow
morning to view a veritable wave of denunciations of Eric who will,
doubtless, be entirely translated as a liar, tool and agent of the Bahais,
selling false information ... cos, you know, really, Fred has been malkied
by the Bahais.
But, you must know, I trust Eric's word. If Eric said that the Pope was
Protestant, I'd believe him ... whereas if a certain sad individual told me
that the Sun was out, I'd have to go look to make sure!
PS I sure hope that Eric doesn't tell me that the Pope is Protestant ... if
that happened it would be the end of civilisation as we know it!
Eric Stetson
Hi Jim,
Yes, there is some common ground between Christian Universalism and
the more liberal interpretations of the Baha'i faith. I've said
before that Baha'ism can be described as essentially a form of
"Islamic Universalism," or an attempt to expand the vision of Islam to
be more interfaith and world-embracing. There are some significant
theological differences between Islam, Baha'ism, and Christianity; but
when a universalist and liberal-minded spirit is introduced, some of
these differences become less significant because salvation is not
viewed as exclusive or doctrinally dependent. People can disagree on
theology while agreeing on an overall vision of a world in which there
is mutual respect for all serious spiritual paths and in which people
strive for peace, justice, freedom, human rights, and other core
values that transcend religious creeds.
I have not yet had a chance to read Fred's new blog or his new poem.
I'll have to check those things out soon.
Eric
jimha...@gmail.com
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Well, Jim, to thee, me and a balance of sensible folks hereabouts, there has
> been a fair deal of joking and clowning. Unfortunately there is one sad
> individual who does not see it that way and got extremely upset about Fred's
> murder ... especially as he was the only one who actually believed Fred had
> been murdered.
I'm a little puzzled about all this . . . I thought that Wahid had
made it clear that some of what he does is clowning. Do you really
think he was serious about Fred being murdered, or is pretending to
take him seriously part of the joking?
Does it spoil the fun for me to ask questions like that?
> Most of us thought Fred was away off somewhere doing his own
> thing
That's what I was thinking and hoping. Last week I did some serious
searching and found the news about the revision of the Reform Baha'i
Faith site. Then I went to his fglaysher home page and saw that it had
just been updated, and I found the link to his blogs.
> Fortunately, as the confirmation has come from Eric, who has been soundly
> and roudly condemned by this individual, I shall tune into TRB tomorrow
> morning to view a veritable wave of denunciations of Eric who will,
> doubtless, be entirely translated as a liar, tool and agent of the Bahais,
> selling false information
Bon appetit!
> ... cos, you know, really, Fred has been malkied
> by the Bahais.
Along with a lot of other people. I've been thumped about a wee bit
meself, just because of my associations.
> But, you must know, I trust Eric's word. If Eric said that the Pope was
> Protestant, I'd believe him ... whereas if a certain sad individual told me
> that the Sun was out, I'd have to go look to make sure!
No one has to take our word for it. Anyone who's interested can look
at his Web site and see for herself.
Eric Stetson
> I'm a little puzzled about all this . . . I thought that Wahid had
> made it clear that some of what he does is clowning. Do you really
> think he was serious about Fred being murdered, or is pretending to
> take him seriously part of the joking?
Jim, there are a variety of theories about what Wahid is actually
doing in this forum and what he actually believes. I don't think
anybody really knows for sure. Here are the theories I have heard,
either from Wahid himself in this forum or from others:
1. He is practicing a Sufi religious tradition called the "Path of
Blame," in which the practitioner acts in an uncouth and socially
unacceptable manner in order to incur public opprobrium and thus
overcome his ego.
2. He believes himself to be the return of Subh-i-Azal and believes
he is on a divine mission to destroy the Baha'i Faith.
3. He is an employee of the Baha'i Faith who is trying to make ex-
Baha'is look crazy and/or extremely offensive in order to discredit
them, thus benefitting the Baha'i Faith.
4. He is mentally ill.
5. He gets his kicks by doing things to shock people, piss people
off, and receiving lots of negative attention (i.e. the class clown
personality type).
I very much hope it's #1 -- even though I don't think this practice is
good, but at least the intention behind it would be good. All the
other possibilities would be horrible.
Eric
jimha...@gmail.com
It isn't just Wahid's behavior I'm wondering about. It's all the
people who play along with him.
It doesn't make any sense to me that anyone would really think that
Wahid really thought that Fred had been murdered. Yet I see Paul, Pat,
Dermod and others continually responding as if Wahid really believed
it. Expecially Paul, explaining over and over what I imagine Wahid
understood from the beginning. The only way all this makes any sense
to me at all is to imagine it's some kind of role playing game. Only,
that explanation doesn't satisfy me either. I'm not sure why. Maybe
it's because I haven't had any explicit confirmation of that from any
of the players, except possibly Dermod. At Beliefnet, Dermod once said
that his purposes there are recreational. I remember Pat saying that
he was here to entertain himself. Paul looks like he's here to
entertain himself. Even so, I have some doubts about imagining that
it's all nothing more than a role playing game.
Jim
jimha...@gmail.com
Pat, this might look like another one of my intrusions, but I'm
curious about something, and maybe you can help me.
It seems like this would get old after so many years. What keeps you
coming back?
I asked myself the same question, and the first answer that came to
mind is my personal interest in some of the people posting here.
Jim
jimha...@gmail.com
> > Web site.
>
> > Apart from that, he might have found some better ways to do whatever
> > he was doing here, besides posting in Internet discussions.
>
> FW
> Oh poor misguided Jimbo! Thou hast just incurred the eternal wrath of the
> GINA (Great Iranian Nationalist (living in) Australia)!
Dermod, a few minutes ago I saw a post where you responded seriously
to what someone said. I'm hoping you'll respond seriously to a
question I'm curious about. Maybe it will help if I explain how it
came up.
I was trying to make sense out of what you and Wahid and Viv and Pat
and Paul and some others have been doing here together, and the only
way I could make any sense out of it at all was to imagine it's some
kind of role playing game. Then I was thinking about how boring it
looks to me as a game. Then I was thinking that whatever it is, it
seems like it would get old after so many years. Then I thought of
asking, doesn't it ever get old? Then I thought of asking, what keeps
you coming back? I'm asking you and Pat specifically, because . . .
because . . . I don't know why. Maybe because I have more of a hope of
getting a serious answer from you.
Jim
jimha...@gmail.com
> This is a serious query: if anyone has recently heard from or seen
> Frederick Glaysher please post here that you have. There is concern
> growing about Fred's whereabouts. Fred has been missing for some time
> now from the net and his absence on these boards is uncharacteristic.
> Several people have been consistently emailing him without reply for a
> few months now. Two other people have tried to snail mail old PO Box
> addresses for some kind of reply by him. Nada!
>
> Note if anything has happened to Frederick Glaysher, the Haifan Bahaim
> establishment will be held directly responsible.
>
> Wahid Azal
Wahid, I know you don't like to see your name in my posts. I've mostly
tried to avoid it, but I'm addressing you now because I have a
question you might be able and willing to answer. You have responded
to me seriously a few times in the past, and I'm not sure that you
won't in this case.
What keeps you coming back to trb?
When I asked myself that question, the first answer that came to mind
is my personal interest in some of the people posting here.
There was a time when I came here because of the people I imagined
might be lurking here, but that isn't one of my reasons any more.
There was a time when I thought I might be able to have some
discussions here with people who felt betrayed and threatened by
Baha'i institutions, that I couldn't have anywhere else. That isn't
one of my reasons any more, either. More generally, I thought I saw
some good possibilities here that I didn't see anywhere else. I might
still see some if I thought about it, but that isn't one of my reasons
right now.
Jim
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On Nov 18, 8:52 am, "Finnegan's Wake"
<grim_NOSPAMreaper_...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Well, Jim, to thee, me and a balance of sensible folks hereabouts, there
> has
> been a fair deal of joking and clowning. Unfortunately there is one sad
> individual who does not see it that way and got extremely upset about
> Fred's
> murder ... especially as he was the only one who actually believed Fred
> had
> been murdered.
I'm a little puzzled about all this . . . I thought that Wahid had
made it clear that some of what he does is clowning. Do you really
think he was serious about Fred being murdered, or is pretending to
take him seriously part of the joking?
Does it spoil the fun for me to ask questions like that?
FW
Watching another human being self-destruct is hardly what you'd call fun.
Assisting him to do it ... now that's an entirely different matter ...
especially when he wants to do it and gets his kicks by trying to destroy
others
> But, you must know, I trust Eric's word. If Eric said that the Pope was
> Protestant, I'd believe him ... whereas if a certain sad individual told
> me
> that the Sun was out, I'd have to go look to make sure!
No one has to take our word for it. Anyone who's interested can look
at his Web site and see for herself.
FW
No need ... your word is good around here!
Finnegan's Wake
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FW
I'm here for the craic!
And that's a serious answer.
jimha...@gmail.com
> > to what someone said. I'm hoping you'll respond seriously to a
> > question I'm curious about. Maybe it will help if I explain how it
> > came up.
>
> > I was trying to make sense out of what you and Wahid and Viv and Pat
> > and Paul and some others have been doing here together, and the only
> > way I could make any sense out of it at all was to imagine it's some
> > kind of role playing game. Then I was thinking about how boring it
> > looks to me as a game. Then I was thinking that whatever it is, it
> > seems like it would get old after so many years. Then I thought of
> > asking, doesn't it ever get old? Then I thought of asking, what keeps
> > you coming back? I'm asking you and Pat specifically, because . . .
> > because . . . I don't know why. Maybe because I have more of a hope of
> > getting a serious answer from you.
>
> FW
>
> I'm here for the craic!
>
> And that's a serious answer.
I guess I can understand that. I do miss it sometimes. There is
something here that appeals to me that I haven't seen anywhere else.