To Chuck. TRCM as Psychotheraphy
J. L.
> "Carrie" <star...@kingcon.com> wrote in message
> news:<caqcaa$p...@library1.airnews.net>... [snip]
>> I know, free psychoanalysis.
>>
>> From someone who knows me better than I know myself.
>>
>> ~ Carrie
>
> It seems to me that your expressions have condoned the use of this
> group as a source for "psychotherapy". To illustrate, on 2004-02-15
> 18:41:43 PST you wrote,
Actually that is the point, Chuck. TRCM as psychotherapy. Its called
confrontation therapy and has its roots in the Encounter and Recovery
moment. Which is why one often see posters attacked by organized group with
obscenities and profanity to make them more "spiritual." The incorrigible
ego addict must be confronted, humiliated, degraded and forced to submit to
group demands to save their souls. In the case of Eots, the incorrigible
Course addict must be confronted and degraded. If you notice this is Nancy
Lorieau's methodology. She plays the part of the therapist. Letting her
group attack the incorrigibles then stepping in with her "spiritual"
message. All the while, apologizing and denying there is any attack when the
incorrigibles complain, and assuring the incorrigibles that all this therapy
is for the salvation of their soul.
BTW, Chuck. None of this has anything to do with Course based mental healing
and correction through the Holy Spirit. And why this newsgroup is little
more than incorrigibles and the nut cases who presume to know what's best
for the incorrigibles, in constant battle. Anyone that knows anything about
the Encounter and Recovery movement, its methodologies and abuses, should
see the how such notions and ideas have been applied to Course study on
TRCM. Little wonder this place spawns nothing but an endless supply of
posturing, spiritual vampires.
"Here I must address the issue of character defects, the subject of much
recovery group movement discussion. The 12 steps appear to be laced with
something that makes people mean and arrogant. The more seriously people
take them, the weirder they become, in comparison to their pre-cult
personality. They also appear more inclined to mistreat their fellow beings
all in the name of treatment or recovery, of course. One caller likened AA
cult indoctrination to vampirism, in which, once-bitten, one will go on to
bite others."
http://www.rational.org/Cult.html
>
> " ACIM says we are all teachers/students for each other and nobody
> comes
> into our lives by accident. Or comes into anyone else's, I guess.
>
> I think this group, which is unmoderated and free, is sort of like
> group
> therapy. We can bounce off each other, and learn about ourselves, and
> sometimes get instant feedback. Whether we want it, accept it or not."
J. L.
"Here I must address the issue of character defects, the subject of much
recovery group movement discussion. TRCM posting appears to be laced with
something that makes people mean and arrogant. The more seriously people
takes TRCM, the weirder they become, in comparison to their pre-trcm
personality. They also appear more inclined to mistreat their fellow beings
all in the name of spirit or ACIM, of course. One observer likened TRCM
posting to vampirism, in which, once-bitten, one will go on to bite others
Carrie
"J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote in message
news:2jdopbF...@uni-berlin.de...
I think the psychotheraphy in the course refers to oneself. Seeing oneself
and any issues mirrored back (or maybe not).
The fine line is when some use this to point out faults in and correct
"others".
Instead of being responsible for how they are feeling, and seeing it
themselves.
It's never anyone else. What's wrong with them, how they are doing/not
doing something right, and what someone else is pointing out for them.
This is how I believe it, whether I always managed to remember it and live
it, or not.
It does clear up for me what you've been referring to as Encounter and
Recovery, here.
Now I understand what you mean.
~ Carrie
Nancy L.
Chuck:
> > > It seems to me that your expressions have condoned the use of
this
> > > group as a source for "psychotherapy". To illustrate, on
2004-02-15
> > > 18:41:43 PST you wrote,
John Lopez:
> > Actually that is the point, Chuck.
> > TRCM as psychotherapy. Its called
> > confrontation therapy and has its
> > roots in the Encounter and Recovery
> > moment.
Actually, it does not. It is rooted in Gestalt and is the antithesis
of the "Recovery Approach."
> > Which is why one often see
> > posters attacked by organized group with
> > obscenities and profanity to make them
> > more "spiritual." The incorrigible
> > ego addict must be confronted,
> > humiliated, degraded and forced to submit to
> > group demands to save their souls.
This is something else entirely -- pure cult technology.
> > In the case of Eots, the incorrigible
> > Course addict must be confronted
> > and degraded.
I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict." I
see various individuals attempting to attack other individuals on
various pretexts. You attempting to attack me because of my so-called
association with eots. You attempting to attack Kay, Carrie and me
because we are "old gals." Various individuals, including Mike and
Alan, are attempting to attack you because of your attacks on others.
Deborah is attempting to attack Doug because Doug has attempted to
attack Ken and Joe. Mike is attempting to attack Deborah for whatever
reason. (I'm not sure of the rationale on this one. Ammi is attempting
to point out the shortcomings of Carrie, Kay and me.
> > If you notice this is Nancy's
> > methodology. She plays
> > the part of the therapist. Letting her
> > group attack the incorrigibles then
> > tsepping in with her "spiritual" message.
Who are the "incorrigibles" here? Clearly you are referring to the
"incorrigible course addicts." Again, I ask you... please give an
example of an attack on anyone for their association with the course.
And what is this "let"? Does anyone here besides John feel I have the
power to "let" them do anything?
> > All the while, apologizing and
> > denying there is any attack when the
> > incorrigibles complain, and assuring
> > the incorrigibles that all this therapy
> > is for the salvation of their soul.
Baloney. I feel that your conduct and the conduct of some others does
not reflect well on EITHER the course or eots, but I certainly do not
believe your "soul" is in danger or needs salvation.
> > BTW, Chuck. None of this has anything
> > to do with Course based mental healing
> > and correction through the Holy Spirit.
You are right on with this one, brother.
> > And why this newsgroup is little
> > more than incorrigibles and the nut
> > cases who presume to know what's best
> > for the incorrigibles, in constant battle.
Imo... the "incorrigible course students" can't get a word in edgewise
here. Those who have not left already will probably be going elsewhere
soon.
> > Anyone that knows anything about
> > the Encounter and Recovery movement,
> > its methodologies and abuses, should
> > see the how such notions and ideas h
> > ave been applied to Course study on
> > TRCM.
Actually, encounter and recovery techniques are almost all based on
acceptance.
> > Little wonder this place spawns
> > nothing but an endless supply of
> > posturing, spiritual vampires.
As you drive more and more people away and guard against newcomers,
this is becoming more and more nearly true.
> > "Here I must address the issue of
> > character defects, the subject of much
> > recovery group movement discussion.
> > The 12 steps appear to be laced with
> > something that makes people mean
> > and arrogant. The more seriously people
> > take them, the weirder they become, in
> > comparison to their pre-cult personality.
> > They also appear more inclined to mistreat
> > their fellow beings all in the name of treatment
> > or recovery, of course.
So... what IS your rationale for your approach, John?
> > One caller likened AA
> > cult indoctrination to vampirism, in which, once-bitten, one will
go on to
> > bite others."
What caller is this?
> I think the psychotheraphy in the
> course refers to oneself. Seeing oneself
> and any issues mirrored back (or maybe not).
I kind of agree with this.
> The fine line is when some use this
> to point out faults in and correct
> "others".
Yes.
> Instead of being responsible for
> how they are feeling, and seeing it themselves.
Yes.
> It's never anyone else. What's wrong
> with them, how they are doing/not
> doing something right, and what someone
> else is pointing out for them.
Yes.
> This is how I believe it, whether I
> always managed to remember it and live
> it, or not.
>
> It does clear up for me what you've
> been referring to as Encounter and
> Recovery, here.
>
> Now I understand what you mean.
I don't.
n.
J. L.
> "Carrie" <star...@kingcon.com> wrote in message
> news:casigt$t...@library2.airnews.net...
>
> Chuck:
>>>> It seems to me that your expressions have condoned the use of this
>>>> group as a source for "psychotherapy". To illustrate, on 2004-02-15
>>>> 18:41:43 PST you wrote,
>
> John Lopez:
>>> Actually that is the point, Chuck.
>>> TRCM as psychotherapy. Its called
>>> confrontation therapy and has its
>>> roots in the Encounter and Recovery
>>> moment.
>
> Actually, it does not. It is rooted in Gestalt and is the antithesis
> of the "Recovery Approach."
Whether it is rooted in Gestalt or is hardly the point. Group shame
techniques are well known and well documented abuses of the Encounter and
Recovery movements. There are numerous books and web-sites devoted to the
abuses of Encounter and Recovery which mention this technique.
>
>>> Which is why one often see
>>> posters attacked by organized group with
>>> obscenities and profanity to make them
>>> more "spiritual." The incorrigible
>>> ego addict must be confronted,
>>> humiliated, degraded and forced to submit to
>>> group demands to save their souls.
>
> This is something else entirely -- pure cult technology.
Cult technology? Yes, I think that is the point. Group shame is a method of
mind control and manipulation. Which is why when such techniques are used to
confront addicts, one oftens sees the criticism of mind control and cultic
manipulation.
>
>>> In the case of Eots, the incorrigible
>>> Course addict must be confronted
>>> and degraded.
>
> I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
> someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
ROTFLMAO. This happens all the time. Eots has a long history obscence
attacks on Course students and Course list. What exactly do you think Lee's
complain about eots is about? That they believe something different than
Lee? So let examine 7 years of Eot trashing Course lists: Because course
students are supposedly addicted to the book, rather than living and
immediate experience. Because they believe in the Holy Spirit rather than a
"living teacher." Because Course students see the Course as the best
spiritual path, rather than one of thousands of paths. Because some Course
students see the Course in religious terms rather than "spiritual" terms.
Its hard to argue this is not first, the work of an organized group with an
agenda, rather than simply the viewpoint of isolated individuals. And
second, that these organized attacks are meant to shame, degrade, humiliate
and manipulate through name calling and profanity the beliefs of Course
students.
Mike Ryder has attacked many people on this newsgroup because they are
"religious," and want to make the Course a religion. He has attacked many
because they are addicted to reading the book instead of living. Ditto for
Wayne Austin, ditto for Bill Wagnor. Ditto for happyslave and James Morgan.
Ditto for Alan Sindler, though he hides his attacks behind a rational of
attacking "pompose assholes."
At any rate the curious Eots technique of cursing a poster with profanity
and then a moment later proclaiming to that poster "the love of God," is
without a doubt another a technique for confronting Course addicts. What
else can it be? "The love of God?"
I
> see various individuals attempting to attack other individuals on
> various pretexts.
What is this but saying the newsgroup in predicated on attack, rather than
Course based mental healing and correction? Quite obviously the problem is
systemic. Which is why its so easily to draw equivalencies of behavior,
justify Encounter and Recovery methodology, and totally confuse and deny
what is actually going on. In other words, you want to claim this newsgroup
is just people attacking each other, which might fly if the attacks were not
organized and agenda driven. And might fly if the participants were not
constantly justifying their actions in Course terms. The general newsgroup
claim is somehow this newsgroup is practice applying Course principles,
though somehow Course principle are rarely practiced and systemic belief in
the efficiency of attack drives this newsgroup. In short, Encounter and
Recovery methodology applied to Course study and discussion rather than
Atonement and mental healing.
You attempting to attack me because of my so-called
> association with eots. You attempting to attack Kay, Carrie and me
> because we are "old gals." Various individuals, including Mike and
> Alan, are attempting to attack you because of your attacks on others.
> Deborah is attempting to attack Doug because Doug has attempted to
> attack Ken and Joe. Mike is attempting to attack Deborah for whatever
> reason. (I'm not sure of the rationale on this one. Ammi is attempting
> to point out the shortcomings of Carrie, Kay and me.
>
>>> If you notice this is Nancy's
>>> methodology. She plays
>>> the part of the therapist. Letting her
>>> group attack the incorrigibles then
>>> tsepping in with her "spiritual" message.
>
> Who are the "incorrigibles" here? Clearly you are referring to the
> "incorrigible course addicts." Again, I ask you... please give an
> example of an attack on anyone for their association with the course.
> And what is this "let"? Does anyone here besides John feel I have the
> power to "let" them do anything?
ROTFLMAO. The fact you are asking for an example of course students being
attacked for their association with the Course, simply boggles the mind!
Again, what exactly do you think is the complaint against Eots? What do you
think is the complaint of Tom Fox's letter to Gangaji? Why do you think
Wayne Austin conceded that Course students were being attacked by his
devotees on their own board and the behavior was wrong? Why do you think
Austin's defense was he couldn't control his devotee's actions? In other
words, you are quite unbelievable, Nancy. And quite obviously, you have no
real idea how much ill will you have generated by intervening in a long
running dispute and denying the justifyable out rage of people being
actively tormented by a neurotic cult for their spiritual beliefs. Little
wonder that posters see Nancy Lorieau as promoting and manipulating this
torment for her own advantage.
>
>>> All the while, apologizing and
>>> denying there is any attack when the
>>> incorrigibles complain, and assuring
>>> the incorrigibles that all this therapy
>>> is for the salvation of their soul.
>
> Baloney. I feel that your conduct and the conduct of some others does
> not reflect well on EITHER the course or eots, but I certainly do not
> believe your "soul" is in danger or needs salvation.
"Salvation of the soul," is metaphor not metaphysics. Its hard to deny that
you have consistently apologized for Eots attacks on Course posters for
nearly a year. Why is that Nancy? If you really feel like such conduct does
not reflect well on The Course, why involve yourself in all of this with
your constant defense of Eots? What doesn't fly is wanting to somehow
protray yourself above the fray, when anyone with two eyes can see you are
in the middle of the fray. Which is why your behavior is being questioned.
Clearly you have enabled and manipulated Eots attacks on Course students
while consistently denying these attacks occurred. If you did this for a
'spiritual reason," then you must have bizzare metaphysical justification.
J. L.
> I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
> someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
Here's one posted today, by Eots lieutenant, "happyslave."
Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
> intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find
> the Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very fact
> proves that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets what the
> Course is pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have no more
> meaning in ones life. The simply do not matter.
This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. How you can
deny this goes on with a straight face, or would even involve yourself in
such a denial is beyond me.
Alan
>
> Nancy L.
> > I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
> > someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
>
> Here's one posted today, by Eots lieutenant, "happyslave."
>
> > Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
> > intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find
> > the Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very fact
> > proves that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets what the
> > Course is pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have no more
> > meaning in ones life. The simply do not matter.
>
You don't get it, John. We're pointing out the very same
thing the book you thump, says. Jesus is talking to you:
C-in.2. All terms are potentially controversial, and those who seek
controversy will find it. 2 Yet those who seek clarification will
find it as well. 3 They must, however, be willing to overlook
controversy, recognizing that it is a defense against truth in the
form of a delaying maneuver. 4 Theological considerations as such are
necessarily controversial, since they depend on belief and can there-
fore be accepted or rejected. 5 A universal theology is impossible,
but a universal experience is not only possible but necessary. 6 It
is this experience toward which the course is directed. 7 Here alone
consistency becomes possible because here alone uncertainty ends.
C-in.4. The ego will demand many answers that this course does not
give. 2 It does not recognize as questions the mere form of a question
to which an answer is impossible. 3 The ego may ask, "How did the
impossible occur?", "To what did the impossible happen?", and may ask
this in many forms. 4 Yet there is no answer; only an experience.
5 Seek only this, and do not let theology delay you.
J. L.
Eots tag team.
Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
> intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find the
> Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very fact proves
> that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets what the Course is
> pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have no more meaning in ones
> life. The simply do not matter.
>
> ROTFLM*O
>
I'll go with this.
J. L.
> Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
> intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find the
> Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very fact proves
> that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets what the Course is
> pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have no more meaning in ones
> life. The simply do not matter.
Which is the point we've been trying to impress upon
John all along. You'd think he would have gotten it,
at least before his descent into madness took over &
he became a rolling, laughing his ass off, imbecile.
> ROTFLM*O
Now that's the way I'd of thought John would say it.
Nancy L.
> >
> > Nancy L.
> > > I'm wondering, here, if you are
> > > prepared to present an example of
> > > someone being attacked on trc-m
> > > because they are a "course addict."
> >
> > Here's one posted today, by Eots
> > lieutenant, "happyslave."
> >
> > > Loopy and the rest of the holy
> > > cadre would rather have their
> > > intellectualized metaphysical
> > > concepts win the ego war than to find
> > > the Peace that passes understanding.
> > > The irony is that this very fact
> > > proves that they have not gotten
> > > the Course. Once one gets what the
> > > Course is pointing to the intellectual/
> > > ego arguments have no more
> >
> > This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. ...
How is this an attack on you for being a student of the course?
Mike
Mike
wrote:
>> "J. L." wrote:
>> >
>> > Nancy L.
>> > > I'm wondering, here, if you are
>> > > prepared to present an example of
>> > > someone being attacked on trc-m
>> > > because they are a "course addict."
>> >
>> > Here's one posted today, by Eots
>> > lieutenant, "happyslave."
>> >
>> > > Loopy and the rest of the holy
>> > > cadre would rather have their
>> > > intellectualized metaphysical
>> > > concepts win the ego war than to find
>> > > the Peace that passes understanding.
>> > > The irony is that this very fact
>> > > proves that they have not gotten
>> > > the Course. Once one gets what the
>> > > Course is pointing to the intellectual/
>> > > ego arguments have no more
>> > > meaning in ones life. They simply do not matter.
>> >
>> > This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. ...
>
>How is this an attack on you for being a student of the course?
>
EVERYTHING is an attack on ol' Loopy. LOL
Yashah
yup!!! the worst thing for him is that he's at everyone's mercy cuz
the legal system DOES NOT protect him against the many and many
attacks he's receiving from everywhere.
damn it!!! the Atonement has not a police force in order to defend
him...!!!!!!!
John, the poorest victim all over the world...........!!!!!!!!!!!
Ped
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wrote:
PS. even his very active posting is not making any difference at all
so he remains being attacked from everywhere....!!!!!!!!!!!
Carrie
What would you like anyone to do about it?
I mean, specifically.
Join your campain to close the ng or moderated it to keep certain people
off?
Doesn't ACIM say we're supposed to change our own mind if we seem someone
as less than Perfect, or Brother in Christ?
That it's never anyone else?
If you want this to be a miracles ng, we have to try to live what it says,
don't you think?
~ Carrie
happyslave
"Mike" <m...@right.Here.com> wrote in message
news:d624d057sjgr6tmuo...@4ax.com...
If Loopy ever does get what the Course is pointing to me thinks he is gonna
look back on these days with some amusement . I hope I am around if that
happens. In the mean time I guess we'll just have to keep putting up with
the ignorant Loopy rantings.
ROTFM*O
kena...@webtv.net
(EDT-2) From: al...@spamsucks.com (Alan)
~~~Thank you Alan for these quotes. We were
just discussing BOTH statements in a meeting
last night. Do not let theology delay you; and
we added: those who WANT peace shall have
peace and those that are vigilant for the voice
of the ego shall have chaos and confusion.
Kay
J. L.
Far be it from me to deny a public forum to idiots like you.
ROTFLMAO
J. L.
>> "J. L." wrote:
>>>
>>> Nancy L.
>>>> I'm wondering, here, if you are
>>>> prepared to present an example of
>>>> someone being attacked on trc-m
>>>> because they are a "course addict."
>>>
>>> Here's one posted today, by Eots
>>> lieutenant, "happyslave."
>>>
>>>> Loopy and the rest of the holy
>>>> cadre would rather have their
>>>> intellectualized metaphysical
>>>> concepts win the ego war than to find
>>>> the Peace that passes understanding.
>>>> The irony is that this very fact
>>>> proves that they have not gotten
>>>> the Course. Once one gets what the
>>>> Course is pointing to the intellectual/
>>>> ego arguments have no more
>>>> meaning in ones life. They simply do not matter.
>>>
>>> This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. ...
>
> How is this an attack on you for being a student of the course?
Yeah, just as I figured Lorieau. A blank face from Nancy and a big, "Duh!
What elephant in the living room!"
ROTFLMAO
J. L.
ROTFLMAO. If you took your meds, Dharma Bum. Hell who knows. You might start
dating women.
ROTFLMAO
J. L.
Eots Teddy Boy, another one of Wayne's experiences, no doubt. And no doubt
knows all about ignorant rants.
ROTFLMAO
Wayne Austin on Cosmic Fool website:
"I mean, come on kid, nothing like fucking is there? Of course if one can't
get anyone interested in the ol in and out then many people turn into prunes
but I suspect you're a juicy little tart and can bang with the best of them.
Man, the nice thing about being a guru is you get to fuck everyone.The women
don't even get half way to kissing my feet before I got the ol pole out. And
the guys, hey, I've been in a homosexual experience in my life and don't
knock it until you've tried it. We are having a Gathering next month, about
half the membership is showing up because there's nothing like sex, drugs
and rock & roll to get people ta dancin'
J. L.
> "J. L." wrote:
>>
>> Nancy L.
>>> I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
>>> someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
>>
>> Here's one posted today, by Eots lieutenant, "happyslave."
>>
>>> Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
>>> intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find
>>> the Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very
>>> fact proves that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets
>>> what the Course is pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have
>>> no more meaning in ones life. The simply do not matter.
>>
>> This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. ...
>
> You don't get it, John. We're pointing out the very same
> thing the book you thump, says. Jesus is talking to you:
ROTFLMAO. I don't get it? Somehow I think you idiots don't get it. After
all you follow this guy.
Wayne on Cosmic Fool website:
J. L.
Oh, is this rich! Battle ax Kay talking to a psycho-troll who can hardly
post with obcenities, about vigilance for peace! God must have a sense of
humor. "You "pig f**kers" should be viligant for peace!"
Doubled up an rolling on the floor, laughing
J. L.
> PS. even his very active posting is not making any difference at all
> so he remains being attacked from everywhere....!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ped
ROTFLMAO. Not attacked. Just surrounded by idiots. Hell, you take up a whole
quadrant by yourself, Ped.
daliwoman
>
kena...@webtv.net
~~~Yes I understand how a child of God who
just called another child of God a battle ax
and a "pig f**ker" would be doubled up and
rolling on the floor laughing.
Kay
Mike
Alan
>
> Alan wrote:
> > "J. L." wrote:
> >>
> >> Nancy L.
> >>> I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
> >>> someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
> >>
> >> Here's one posted today, by Eots lieutenant, "happyslave."
> >>
> >>> Loopy and the rest of the holy cadre would rather have their
> >>> intellectualized metaphysical concepts win the ego war than to find
> >>> the Peace that passes understanding. The irony is that this very
> >>> fact proves that they have not gotten the Course. Once one gets
> >>> what the Course is pointing to the intellectual/ego arguments have
> >>> no more meaning in ones life. The simply do not matter.
> >>
> >> This type of post from Eots has been a constant for 7 years. ...
> >
> > You don't get it, John. We're pointing out the very same
> > thing the book you thump, says. Jesus is talking to you:
>
Almost there. Get rid of the question mark.
[]
Alan
This _is_ rich. The majority of my posts don't contain
any obsenities, but you seem fixated on them. Curious,
you seem to think calling women who disagree with your
theological interpretations "dumb bunnies", and "civil
servant types", is okey dokey for somebody who claimed
to be a teacher here, but calling you an ass for do so
is a cardinal offense. As you like to say "too funny!"
> Doubled up an rolling on the floor, laughing
If you're doubled up, it's probably something you ate.
J. L.
Can't read Kay? That's a quote from God. Notice the quotation marks? At
least a quote from what I surmise is your version of God.
J. L.
ROTFLMAO
BTW, Elmer its spelled obscenities.
J. L.
Almost there, Sindler. Get rid of Wayne.
ROTFLMAO
>
> []
Alan
>
> Alan wrote:
[snip]
> > This _is_ rich. The majority of my posts don't contain
> > any obsenities . . .
>
> ROTFLMAO
>
> BTW, Elmer its spelled obscenities.
As I've told you, Mr. Fudd, spelling errors happen,
it's no big deal. My point is that you write like a
person trying to sound like Elmer Fudd should talk:
:You bald head old goat and character assasine.
:
:I'm an artist too. I have two play produced.
:
:Do you even a minute think that EOTS cultulist, could
:pass a standard psychiatric test?
:
:Let's face it, because a handful of posters around here
:talk you, that is hardly an endorsement of EOTS.
:
:Gary has yet to fell the sting of an all out assault
:on what he is teaching and saying.
:
:Do want you want. I don't give scholarship.
:
:At any rate, I'm hardly phased by the remarks by someone
:with you history.
:
:This type of thinking idicates why you are civil servants.
:
:As far as anyone knows you a bald-headed fifty-something
:ungrad in psychology.
:
:The big bad wolves are going get, Alan.
:
:Both Flynn and BySouth take the perogative to attack and
:abuse others.
:
:What an idiot your are Sindler.
:
:I think most Course students are offend with a blatant
:attack on God and Truth.
:
:A dumb and vindictive former substance abuser like
:yourself seems a little slow in draw.
:
:Its hard not to see Wayne's technique being used unless
:someone is willful blind.
:
:Certainly, Sindler you can always give your it a try.
:
:LOL. What freaking whiner. Anyone can get banned from
:Course Talk for simpy disagreeing with Wapnick.
:
:Let's say I consider myself neither a democrate or a
:republican.
:
:Keep you sick games.
:
:What's hilarious is Gary D. can't figure you ought.
:
:Goof Balls who are paranoid about reveling themselves
:have little room for complaining of rigid fixations.
:
:Christian worhip the Trinitarian Godhead.
:
:If you want to keep score of who is being called an
:"asshole," by the most people on newnet...
:
:In fact, you don't have an freakn' idea what is behind
:your no-mind.
:
:Just amazing how former substance and present abusers
:think that abuse of others is the answer to eveything.
:
:12 Step Flynn, Incompetent Slim Ball
:
:What you mean, Sindler is sometimes poster from Eots do
:not talk about Wayne Austin and Eots.
:
:That all have and do talk about Eots is common knowledge
:and demonstable by a simple Google search.
:
:Google lists by pages not by number of post.
:
:I'm having fun taking out you idiots one by one. Of
:haven't you noticed?
:
:I think you have you have been attrated to liars and
:sociopaths all your life, Ellen.
:
:It is a common manipulation tactic to accuss someone
:posting under multiple identities to undermine whatever
:support he has gained through honest argument.
:
:That "kick," is what make you a spiritual vampire.
:
:On the other hand, of the preponderous of evidence
:supports my assumption some people many be swayed.
:
:What you really mean is I'm Eots most vocal and
:effect critic.
:
:Trust someone who claims to be Course faciliator and
:comes on line using me as a foil to demonstrate her
:spiritual superiority?
:
:I suggest the dysfunctional paranoid are people who
:decept about their metaphysics and support others who
:are use deception to hide their metaphysics.
:
:You must be we see you are posting.
:
:Sindler you don't even have the intelligent to understand
:my position on Trinitarianism.
:
:Though Eots throws arond the word like they are getting
:"paranoia," at bulk discount at Sam's Warehouse?
:
:Saying something is not a "time concept," is only an
:idicator that ego minds do not meaningful conceptual
:concepts for eternity.
:
:More widom from a mean-spirited prick who hasn't the
:manhood to step from behind his computer screen.
:
:I'd say from her post its quite obvious her peace was
:effect by something I said.
:
:Maybe because it is the cliff notes version of A Course
:in Miracles, promoted by people who are neither particually
:good course student or course teachers.
:
:You really have no idea how little I value the opinion of
:someone who post a psycho-hate rants on a Miracles board.
:
:Better shapen you hatchet, Sindler.
:
:Perhaps it only seems deep to someone who can't distinquish
:reality from their own illusions when their lies start
:bitting them on their butt.
:
:Sindler, you have pushing Austin and Advaita around
:here for so long, its a wonder how you can post ...
:
:I have never see you criticize Mike, Alan, or Happyslave...
:
:It get old being cursed with obscenities at every turn and
:every opportunity by Eots people then have Nancy make it
:look like Eots is doing you a favor.
:
:But get it Sindler. It not about me.
:
:You met an superior intelligence and superior metaphysics.
:
:Lol. Yeah, Sindler -- what I am is the biggest thorn in
:Austin side.
:
:If you want to assassinate my characters and experiences
:in the name of Wayne why be so obvious?
:
:Interesting you say I'm wrong by fail to say how.
:
:At any you want peace as much as you claim quite obviously
:it doesn't entail taking pot shots at me.
:
:Yeah, it hilarious, the games you play, Sindler.
:
:But you feminine subservience to the master still shows.
:
:But you did go away will a healthy subservience to Wayne.
:
:Don't worry Dharma Bum, you mind will catch up, eventually.
:
:Maybe your mind bent in place even you don't know about.
:
:You can play your games with me and I ignore you silly
:sissy self.
:
:Do you think a give the opinion of Eots trolls a second
:of consideration?
:
:Obviously spiritual mastery is no protection from vernal
:disease or worse.
:
:Belligerent old lady have less going for them than
:belligerent sweet, young things.
:
:The only thing I got against age, is when gereatics
:like Wayne perpetuate a spiritual fraud on the young.
:
:Doug Thompson who is a professional writer, has once again
:compliment on my ability to write and express ideas.
:
:Two cult boy trying to take out someone you see is a
:competitor of Wayne, with some nasty Eots comments.
:
:To bad you and Mike are both dumb as rocks, and pretty
:much boot licking Wayneite syncophants. Which makes Ammi
:about 10 level above you idiots on any scale of holiness.
:
:What wrong with you Ryder? Do have a problem with people
:expressing themeselves?
:
:You Eots sissy boy are so in to grammer flames.
:
:I guess when you are kissing Wayne's feet and his pulls
:out his ole "pole," there is nothing you guys can do but
:stutter.
:
:Wayne most likely taugh you the fundamentals when he
:pulled out his "pole."
:
:Take you anti-Jesus, anti-Holy Spirit, butt banging
:metaphysics and push it somewhere where people will buy
:this obnoxious trash pushed as spirituality.
:
:Katie is no doubt vile, but she is after all not cult.
:
:Clearly, Lorieau you are so very desenitized to bizarre
:newsgroup behavior that you not only see the bizarre
:as normal, but you want to argue the bizarre is normal.
:
:You idiot guru can't speak for himself?
:
:Answer: an absolute nut case, like Alan "Sniper" Sindler
:who does not care one bit about his public image, public
:morals or his lack of intergrity.
:
:Funny a ridiculous little man who brags about romping
:in Internet locker rooms, wants to make fun Ammi.
:
:And Dali wonders why people have so little respect for 8th
:grade drops out who start cults.
:
:And even more amazing that you see others actively redefing
:reality when you are doing the same thing in service of the
:Wayne Austin cult.
:
:ROTFLMAO. Must have learn all this cult projection in
:indoctrination 101.
:
:ROTFLMAO. As many have noticed, you an apologist for some
:rather bizarre behavior, Lorieau.
:
:Considering you friend and guru must be the king of all
:"asses," I doubt you have any valid criteria for judging
:behavior except that you like to criticize.
:
:Your comebacks must be hysterical at you pretty in pink
:love feasts.
:
:Maybe because it top heavy with the academically challenged
:Eots crowd.
:
:No one is a Eots contesting what Austin believes.
:
:But then we all know Nancy Lorieau is dishonest. And
:has the scruples of a fugus.
:
:I never responded to your obcence name calling with
:obcence name calling.
:
:I don't use obsecenities and don't call you obscenities. It
:called control.
:
:You must have a conscious. You do seem embarrassed.
:
: - John (Elmer Fudd) Lopez
kena...@webtv.net
John
Oh, is this rich! Battle ax Kay talking to a psycho-troll who can hardly
post with obcenities, about vigilance for peace! God must have a sense
of humor.
"You "pig f**kers" should be viligant for peace!" Doubled up an
rolling on the floor, laughing
~~~Yes I understand how a child of God who just called another child of
God a battle ax and a "pig f**ker" would be doubled up and rolling on
the floor laughing.
Kay
John:
Can't read Kay? That's a quote from God. Notice the quotation marks? At
least a quote from what I surmise is your version of God.
Kay:
Can't OWN your words John? I have no
trouble reading -- your last excuse was
you LEFT OUT a comma - now you want
to lie your way out of this one.
Kay
Noggin
"J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote in message news:2jdopbF...@uni-berlin.de...
> cf_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> BTW, Chuck. None of this has anything to do with Course based mental healing
> and correction through the Holy Spirit.
It has EVERYTHING to do with Curse based "mental healing". The "healing" is universally evident
and starts with the utter inability of ANY ACIMite to apply their preachings to themselves. And
that includes you John. You're as blind a hypocrite as anyone else who you often so accurately
diagnose.
ACIM wouldn't work if it weren't for the obsessive NEED some losers have to feel special and more
"spiritual" than everyone else without doing a damned thing to earn the glory. Your tenacity in
holding onto the idea that you're onto something really special despite the overwhelming evidence
that you constantly provide doesn't speak to well of your own ability to let go of the wee
little rush you get from the thought.
Noggin
"Carrie" <star...@kingcon.com> wrote in message news:casigt$t...@library2.airnews.net...
> Instead of being responsible for how they are feeling, and seeing it
> themselves.
Being responsible isn't the same thing as denial, avoidance, justification and rationalization
Carrie. Those are far more difficult projects that yield no benefits whatsoever. Minus zero
return on the investment. You're a testament to that fact.
Noggin
"J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote in message news:2jdpa6F...@uni-berlin.de...
> See if this passage doesn't make perfect sense:
>
> "Here I must address the issue of character defects, the subject of much
> recovery group movement discussion. ACIM posting appears to be laced with
> something that makes people mean and arrogant. The more seriously people
> takes ACIM, the weirder they become, in comparison to their pre-trcm
> personality. They also appear more inclined to mistreat their fellow beings
> all in the name of spirit or ACIM, of course. One observer likened ACIM
> posting to vampirism, in which, once-bitten, one will go on to bite others
>
>
>
Noggin
"Nancy L." <love...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:38lAc.793757$Ig.161957@pd7tw2no...
> I'm wondering, here, if you are prepared to present an example of
> someone being attacked on trc-m because they are a "course addict."
No, we couldn't have that. It would be like mentioning alcoholism during a midnight bar brawl
down at the old Jolt and Bolt Saloon.
> I
> see various individuals attempting to attack other individuals on
> various pretexts.
Posing as Jesus for the pathetic and desperate is about as much of an attack as I can dream up.
Stating a few facts isn't though, but I do see the advantage in the re-definitions.
You attempting to attack me because of my so-called
> association with eots.
Nothing has been attempted, your manipulative dishonest BEHAVIOR has been noted time and again.
That's only an "attack" to you because you refuse to face up to it.
Does anyone here besides John feel I have the
> power to "let" them do anything?
It's called enablement Nancy, and you know what that is better than anyone. See your recent
selective blindness to Jeanette's recent episodes here. You don't care about the consequences
of your dishonesty as long as there's someone sending you little smileys and hugs. You sell
your soul very cheaply Nancy, and you don't mind in the least taking a few more with you.
>
> Baloney.
Yes, Baloney is right. But it's on your plate, not John's. And it's stinky old baloney to boot,
Nancy.
>I feel that your conduct and the conduct of some others does
> not reflect well on EITHER the course or eots, but I certainly do not
> believe your "soul" is in danger or needs salvation.
No, we all know how "loving" you are, Nance. Not to mention how astute about the souls and needs
of others.
>
> > > BTW, Chuck. None of this has anything
> > > to do with Course based mental healing
> > > and correction through the Holy Spirit.
>
> You are right on with this one, brother.
No he's not. It has EVERYTHING to do with the claims made by ACIM and ACIMites. You are all
living proof of what ACIM inspires and promotes in it's followers. You see it in John, John
sees it in you, now all you need to do is see it in YOURSELVES. But that would take some spine,
and we all know there's none of that among the Cursed.
>
> Imo... the "incorrigible course students" can't get a word in edgewise
> here. Those who have not left already will probably be going elsewhere
> soon.
More's the better. A bit of fresh air might serve to clear some minds. No one needs to be under
your influence, Nancy, that's for sure. We've all seen the "benefits" of that. Without fail
your "best" friends are always the creepiest, sleaziest, cheeziest, most slimey characters of all
in a group where all of the aforementioned run rampant. You have nothing to show for all your
years of participation here under the guise of a life long traveller along some "spiritual" path
than smileys and hugs from complete creeps. Face it.
>
> Actually, encounter and recovery techniques are almost all based on
> acceptance.
Ahem. Hence the endless smileys and hugs, the best any of you can come up with in the form of
"acceptance"
>
>> As you drive more and more people away and guard against newcomers,
> this is becoming more and more nearly true.
You mean he exposes you for what you are Nancy, and you've lost a bit of manipulation ground as a
result. Waaah waaahh. There's the benefit of dealing in cheap commodoties. You'd be better
served to put your energy into developing a conscience, that way maybe those voices in your head
might actually tell you something useful instead of that "spirituality" has something to do with
acting like a 12 year old with a new box of pastel crayons and some glitter tubes.
> > I think the psychotheraphy in the
> > course refers to oneself. Seeing oneself
> > and any issues mirrored back (or maybe not).
>
> I kind of agree with this.
You have to. It's ACIMs primary club to use against others. Clearly you don't use it against
yourselves, and therein lies the Curse.
>
> > The fine line is when some use this
> > to point out faults in and correct
> > "others".
>
> Yes.
So why did you just do it to John then?
>
> > Instead of being responsible for
> > how they are feeling, and seeing it themselves.
>
When can we expect you to start? Maybe using the dictionary definition of the word
"responsible" might be a good beginning. When might we see some signs of you being responsible
for your enablement of Jeanette's latest episode while we're on the topic, Nancy?
You suck Nancy. Just in case no one hasn't told you recently. You're among the stellar scum of
the earth, that's about your only accomplishment. But you do reflect very very accurately on
ACIM, the religion for the sleazy, lazy, irresponsible, and unethical.
Linda
:)
"Carrie" <star...@kingcon.com> wrote in message
news:casigt$t...@library2.airnews.net...
>
> "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote in message
> news:2jdopbF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > cf_c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > "Carrie" <star...@kingcon.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<caqcaa$p...@library1.airnews.net>... [snip]
> > >> I know, free psychoanalysis.
> > >>
> > >> From someone who knows me better than I know myself.
> > >>
> > >> ~ Carrie
> > >
> > > It seems to me that your expressions have condoned the use of this
> > > group as a source for "psychotherapy". To illustrate, on 2004-02-15
> > > 18:41:43 PST you wrote,
> >
> > Actually that is the point, Chuck. TRCM as psychotherapy. Its called
> > confrontation therapy and has its roots in the Encounter and Recovery
> > moment. Which is why one often see posters attacked by organized group
> with
> > obscenities and profanity to make them more "spiritual." The
incorrigible
> > ego addict must be confronted, humiliated, degraded and forced to submit
> to
> > group demands to save their souls. In the case of Eots, the incorrigible
> > Course addict must be confronted and degraded. If you notice this is
Nancy
> > Lorieau's methodology. She plays the part of the therapist. Letting her
> > group attack the incorrigibles then stepping in with her "spiritual"
> > message. All the while, apologizing and denying there is any attack when
> the
> > incorrigibles complain, and assuring the incorrigibles that all this
> therapy
> > is for the salvation of their soul.
> >
> > BTW, Chuck. None of this has anything to do with Course based mental
> healing
> > and correction through the Holy Spirit. And why this newsgroup is little
> > more than incorrigibles and the nut cases who presume to know what's
best
> > for the incorrigibles, in constant battle. Anyone that knows anything
> about
> > the Encounter and Recovery movement, its methodologies and abuses,
should
> > see the how such notions and ideas have been applied to Course study on
> > TRCM. Little wonder this place spawns nothing but an endless supply of
> > posturing, spiritual vampires.
> >
> > "Here I must address the issue of character defects, the subject of much
> > recovery group movement discussion. The 12 steps appear to be laced with
> > something that makes people mean and arrogant. The more seriously people
> > take them, the weirder they become, in comparison to their pre-cult
> > personality. They also appear more inclined to mistreat their fellow
> beings
> > all in the name of treatment or recovery, of course. One caller likened
AA
> > cult indoctrination to vampirism, in which, once-bitten, one will go on
to
> > bite others."
>
> I think the psychotheraphy in the course refers to oneself. Seeing
oneself
> and any issues mirrored back (or maybe not).
>
> The fine line is when some use this to point out faults in and correct
> "others".
>
> Instead of being responsible for how they are feeling, and seeing it
> themselves.
>
> It's never anyone else. What's wrong with them, how they are doing/not
> doing something right, and what someone else is pointing out for them.
>
> This is how I believe it, whether I always managed to remember it and
live
> it, or not.
>
> It does clear up for me what you've been referring to as Encounter and
> Recovery, here.
>
> Now I understand what you mean.
>
> ~ Carrie
>
>
>
>
> > http://www.rational.org/Cult.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > " ACIM says we are all teachers/students for each other and nobody
> > > comes
> > > into our lives by accident. Or comes into anyone else's, I guess.
> > >
> > > I think this group, which is unmoderated and free, is sort of like
> > > group
> > > therapy. We can bounce off each other, and learn about ourselves, and
> > > sometimes get instant feedback. Whether we want it, accept it or not."
> >
> >
>
>
J. L.
ROTFLMAO. I can certainily own my words. And they are clear enough. If you
don't know how to read quotation marks that's obviously your problem.
Figure it out. If it were a statement from me to you, it would have no
quotation marks.
kena...@webtv.net
~~~"How to read quatation marks" Wow
John you are brilliant! And your small
mindedness shows every time you change
the subject line in an effort to insult me.
I take no offense from your words John.
I doubt it you can understand that. My
reason for setting up a new subject with
your OBSCENE post is to keep the record
straight. You keep saying you do not use
obscenity. Hmmm yeah well you also say
you don't lie. I note Alan keeps a running
record to show that you DO have a few
inconsistencies here and there LOL
I just might keep a record of your use of
OBSCENITIES. You may have to look
that word up in the dictionary. You accuse
me of posting some to you - Not!
Kay
J. L.
> I take no offense from your words John.
> I doubt it you can understand that. My
> reason for setting up a new subject with
> your OBSCENE post is to keep the record
> straight. You keep saying you do not use
> obscenity.
For the record, Kay I said I don't call people obscene names despite
provocation and do not use gratiatious obscenities.
Quite obviously when I comment on obcenity use, I post obscenities generally
in quotation marks and asterics. Keep whatever kind of record you want,
sweetheart. You are here looking for a fight and confrontation, so don't be
suprised you'll find what you are looking for so desperately. I'd say its
amazing that someone with so little trcm history has found three enemies to
blast in short order. Generally that type of animosity takes months and
months. Sounds like a recap of your behavior at alt.circle.spirituality.
Alan
>
> > I take no offense from your words John.
> > I doubt it you can understand that. My
> > reason for setting up a new subject with
> > your OBSCENE post is to keep the record
> > straight. You keep saying you do not use
> > obscenity.
>
> For the record, Kay I said I don't call people obscene names despite
> provocation and do not use gratiatious obscenities.
You're a blithering idiot, John. Just because
you don't use swear words, or when you do you
spell "fuck" as "f**k", doesn't mean you were
not being disgusting. That you don't get this
was a testimony to your invincible ignorance.
> Quite obviously when I comment on obcenity use, I post obscenities generally
> in quotation marks and asterics. Keep whatever ...
Yawn.
J. L.
> "J. L." wrote:
>>
>>> I take no offense from your words John.
>>> I doubt it you can understand that. My
>>> reason for setting up a new subject with
>>> your OBSCENE post is to keep the record
>>> straight. You keep saying you do not use
>>> obscenity.
>>
>> For the record, Kay I said I don't call people obscene names despite
>> provocation and do not use gratiatious obscenities.
>
> You're a blithering idiot, John. Just because
> you don't use swear words, or when you do you
> spell "fuck" as "f**k", doesn't mean you were
> not being disgusting. That you don't get this
> was a testimony to your invincible ignorance.
ROTFLMAO. What an admission! So and your Eots buddies are being disgusting
when you use the word "f**k." Now why exactly would you idiots want to be
disgusting on the newsgroup of Course students Wayne Austin doesn't
particually like?
More to the point learn the meaning of the word "gratuitous." I doubt you
can find a post where I used the word, besides of use in the term "mind
f**k." Which is common enough term and has a meaning and connotation which
is a times needed to express this idea.
Alan
>
> Alan wrote:
> > "J. L." wrote:
> >>
> >>> I take no offense from your words John.
> >>> I doubt it you can understand that. My
> >>> reason for setting up a new subject with
> >>> your OBSCENE post is to keep the record
> >>> straight. You keep saying you do not use
> >>> obscenity.
> >>
> >> For the record, Kay I said I don't call people obscene names despite
> >> provocation and do not use gratiatious obscenities.
> >
> > You're a blithering idiot, John. Just because
> > you don't use swear words, or when you do you
> > spell "fuck" as "f**k", doesn't mean you were
> > not being disgusting. That you don't get this
> > was a testimony to your invincible ignorance.
>
> ROTFLMAO. What an admission! So and your Eots buddies are being disgusting
> when you use the word "f**k." Now why exactly would you idiots want to be
> disgusting on the newsgroup of Course students Wayne Austin doesn't
> particually like?
I know English is your second language, Elmer, but
I was talking about you being disgusting, not EOTS
members or anybody else.
[]
J. L.
I know you can't think, Sindler without an okay from your Eots handlers, but
you were talking about the disgusting use of obsenities. That you don't see
your own use of obscenities as disgusting while attempting press this point,
shows your brain belongs to Eots.
ROTFLMAO
>
> []
kena...@webtv.net
I doubt it you can understand that. My
reason for setting up a new subject with your OBSCENE post is to keep
the record
straight. You keep saying you do not use obscenity.
You are here looking for a fight and confrontation, so don't be
suprised you'll find what you are looking for so desperately. I'd say
its amazing that someone with so little trcm history has found three
enemies to blast in short order. Generally that type of animosity takes
months and months.
~~~~I see no enemies John. Obviously
the call to fight is in your head. You are the
one on some mysterious crusade. And you
focus on the past, dragging along tons of
ILLUSIONS. You know that word?
Based on my NOW experience you sound
like a moron or perhaps one even more
mentally challenged. May your journey
to whatever it is you desire be zoomed
along.
Kay
J. L.
> Jun 18, 2004, 6:28pm (EDT-1) From: webm...@jcim.net (J. L.)
> I take no offense from your words John.
> I doubt it you can understand that. My
> reason for setting up a new subject with your OBSCENE post is to keep
> the record
> straight. You keep saying you do not use obscenity.
ROTFLMAO. Keeping the record straight? Let's say the record show you have
little concern about obcenities. You are not criticing thier use when they
support your postion.. Moreover, you mis-state my postition. I obviously
quote obcenities when I criticize their use. At any rate, Kay Narrrone, when
you start criticizing your buddies when they call posters "pig f**kers,"
perhaps you might have a little credibility. Until then you appear just
another opportunist and addicted flamer looking for new enemies. Church
lady, "support hose" metaphysics at its best!
>
> You are here looking for a fight and confrontation, so don't be
> suprised you'll find what you are looking for so desperately. I'd say
> its amazing that someone with so little trcm history has found three
> enemies to blast in short order. Generally that type of animosity
> takes months and months.
>
> ~~~~I see no enemies John.
ROTFLMAO
Amminadab
Do you consider me your friend?
> Based on my NOW experience you sound
> like a moron or perhaps one even more
> mentally challenged.
These words are NOT kind.
Were you being honest when you told as that your words are almost always
kind?
Will you be responsible?
Will to be responsible.
Amminadab
--
Awakening The Open Mind
http://amminadab.com/discussion/
mr bill
On 20-Jun-2004, "Amminadab" <am...@amminadab.com> wrote:
> > Based on my NOW experience you sound
> > like a moron or perhaps one even more
> > mentally challenged.
>
> These words are NOT kind.
>
> Were you being honest when you told as that your words are
> almost always
> kind?
>
> Will you be responsible?
>
> Will to be responsible.
all of these words are just words until you decide they are
unkind, just like any other words and any other descriptors.
:)
mrbill
J. L.
If words have no inherent meaning, then why are you writing words? Clearly
you have an expectation that your words are understood. If you expect your
own words to have meaning, then why shouldn't the words of others have
meaning? But I digress into the philosophy and science of communication.
Way, way above your head, Pizza boy.
mr bill
On 20-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
> If words have no inherent meaning, then why are you
> writing words? Clearly
> you have an expectation that your words are understood. If
> you expect your
> own words to have meaning, then why shouldn't the words of
> others have
> meaning? But I digress into the philosophy and science of
> communication.
> Way, way above your head, Pizza boy.
no john, i am unconcerned with whether or not my words are
understood. my words are for me, and i know my words. the
words i use only have meaning for me, when you read them,
they become your words, and you decide what they mean. as
one who lives his life for the sole purpose of trying to
impress people, your ignorance of what it is to be
unconcerned with what others think is unsurprising.
you go ahead and just keep on keepin on, john, you may never
know the value of the lessons you provide.
:)
mrbill
J. L.
Sounds like a Pizza Boy version of the philosophy of communication. You
aren't a brain, Bill. You are at best a parrot.
ROTFLMAO
> :)
> mrbill
mr bill
On 24-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
> Sounds like a Pizza Boy version of the philosophy of
> communication. You
> aren't a brain, Bill. You are at best a parrot.
i would actually appreciate it if you would find an insult
that is actually insulting, or at least creative, rather
than just stupid.
do you think you can accomplish that?
:)
mrbill
kena...@webtv.net
(EDT+4) From: mrbill0...@cox.net (mr bill)
~~~If I could find someone to take the bet,
I'd bet that you can't be insulted.
Have a sweet light-filled day!
;-))
Kay
J. L.
ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and threatens people with
anal assault calls himself, Wayne's son. Somehow your proclamation of
sonship to Wayne makes perfect sense. What Wayne and brood have to do with A
Course in Miracles other than a profound hatred of Jesus and Christianity,
is another question. And makes no sense at all.
mr bill
On 25-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
> ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and
> threatens people with
> anal assault calls himself, Wayne's son. Somehow your
> proclamation of
> sonship to Wayne makes perfect sense. What Wayne and brood
> have to do with A
> Course in Miracles other than a profound hatred of Jesus
> and Christianity,
> is another question. And makes no sense at all.
again, come up with something original, creative, or at
least actually insulting, or really dude, shut the fuck up.
it really is kinda painful watching you unravel, and you
unravel more and more every time you post.
go take a walk or something, john, get some sun and fresh
air. it will do you some good.
:)
mrbill
Alan
[snip]
> ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and
> threatens people with anal assault ...
LOL. You're a looney tune, Loopey. He called one
person by that name. As for "anal assualt", were
you really afraid that he is going to break into
your home and ream you? Or rather do you keep on
reminding him with a hope that he actually will?
J. L.
> On 25-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
>
>> ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and
>> threatens people with
>> anal assault calls himself, Wayne's son. Somehow your
>> proclamation of
>> sonship to Wayne makes perfect sense. What Wayne and brood
>> have to do with A
>> Course in Miracles other than a profound hatred of Jesus
>> and Christianity,
>> is another question. And makes no sense at all.
>
> again, come up with something original, creative, or at
> least actually insulting, or really dude, shut the fuck up.
> it really is kinda painful watching you unravel, and you
> unravel more and more every time you post.
Are you for real, Wagnor? You just posted about your desire to butt bang
Jesus and you claim I'm unraveling. Too funny.
J. L.
>> ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and
> > threatens people with anal assault ...
>
> LOL. You're a looney tune, Loopey. He called one
> person by that name.
There you go lying again, Sindler. Keep this up and people will simply
dismiss you as a lying Eots troll.
As for "anal assualt", were
> you really afraid that he is going to break into
> your home and ream you? Or rather do you keep on
> reminding him with a hope that he actually will?
Amazing you Eots guys think anal assault is an appropriate way to
demonstrate your spiritual superiority over Course students. You Eots guys
should get out the Internet locker rooms and off your knees long enough to
long enough to realize sodomy is not generally discussed in spiritual
circles. Something tells me sodomy and anal assault are not subjects fit for
an Eot board. Its filth you Eots idiots reserve for a miracles board.
Alan
>>>ROTFLMAO. The guy who calls posters 'pig f**kers, and
>>
>> > threatens people with anal assault ...
>>
>>LOL. You're a looney tune, Loopey. He called one
>>person by that name.
>
>
> There you go lying again, Sindler. Keep this up and people will simply
> dismiss you as a lying Eots troll.
>
> As for "anal assualt", were
>
>>you really afraid that he is going to break into
>>your home and ream you? Or rather do you keep on
>>reminding him with a hope that he actually will?
>
>
> Amazing you Eots guys think anal assault is an appropriate way to
> demonstrate your spiritual superiority over ...
Amazing how you keep talking about anal assualt.
Personally, I think you're a little queen in drag.
J. L.
Amazing how you have to deny the behavior and comments, Eots has brought to
a miracles board just to create the flimsiest illusion you idiots are sane
and mainstream.
mr bill
actually shit-for-brains, i just followed your lead with the
subject, since it was you who introduced buttfucking jesus
into the conversation. you are so stupid, you even
out-stupid yourself. you are your own worst enemy, john.
by the way, john, you have yet to spell my name correctly,
just another way you display your stupidity, and demonstrate
that you really are unraveling.
:)
mrbill
mr bill
On 25-Jun-2004, kena...@webtv.net wrote:
> ~~~If I could find someone to take the bet,
> I'd bet that you can't be insulted.
> Have a sweet light-filled day!
lol
you may not find anyone who will take the bet, but there is
no shortage of people who want to try to prove you wrong.
simply put tho, for anything to be insulting, it has to be
true, and if it is not true, where is the insult?
it really pisses in some folkes' cornflakes that they can't
get my goat, so they take every opportunity to try.
i just laugh.
:)
mrbill
J. L.
> On 25-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
>
>> Are you for real, Wagnor? You just posted about your
>> desire to butt bang
>> Jesus and you claim I'm unraveling. Too funny.
>
> actually shit-for-brains, i just followed your lead with the
> subject, since it was you who introduced buttfucking jesus
> into the conversation. you are so stupid, you even
> out-stupid yourself. you are your own worst enemy, john.
Like Lee said, you can't pawn this off on me. Anal assault has been your
constant theme on this newsgroup. Its your baby. No one made you write such
trash about Jesus. In fact, many people wouldn't write such obcenities about
Jesus even at the point of a gun. And plenty of people have face death and
torture before renouncing Jesus. When you make such mean-spirited comments,
you might think of people gave their lives for Jesus, who you would throw
across a table.
Amminadab
>
>
> it really pisses in some folkes' cornflakes that they can't
> get my goat, so they take every opportunity to try.
>
> i just laugh.
No. Sometimes you lash out.
Lee
;^D
> :)
> mrbill
cf_c...@yahoo.com
> On 25-Jun-2004, kena...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > ~~~If I could find someone to take the bet,
> > I'd bet that you can't be insulted.
> > Have a sweet light-filled day!
Chuck to Kay (passive / aggressive mode on, with a touch of the
"pagan"):
Enter the Muse, (new) Orleans style:
"Dance with me!
I want to be your partner,
Can't you see?
The music's starting,
The night is falling,
The sky is calling,
Dance with me!"
The Muse exits.
I'll take the bet, Kay. I say we let it ride for three months. I say
we let Bill decide if he's been insulted. I have an Andrew Jackson
that I'll put up. it doesn't matter to me what you put up, only that
you take the bet. I can assure you that I will not knowingly
participate in the furtherance of my winning the bet (setting aside
this one time here with this post). I want you to win.
[passive / aggressive mode off]
>
> lol
>
> you may not find anyone who will take the bet, but there is
> no shortage of people who want to try to prove you wrong.
>
> simply put tho, for anything to be insulting, it has to be
> true, and if it is not true, where is the insult?
>
> it really pisses in some folkes' cornflakes that they can't
> get my goat, so they take every opportunity to try.
>
> i just laugh.
> :)
> mrbill
[Chuck to Bill]
I am sorry.
[Chuck to anyone else]
I hope you will help Kay win.
mr bill
On 26-Jun-2004, cf_c...@yahoo.com (cf_c...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> I'll take the bet, Kay. I say we let it ride for three
> months. I say
> we let Bill decide if he's been insulted. I have an Andrew
> Jackson
> that I'll put up. it doesn't matter to me what you put up,
> only that
> you take the bet. I can assure you that I will not
> knowingly
> participate in the furtherance of my winning the bet
> (setting aside
> this one time here with this post). I want you to win.
> [passive / aggressive mode off]
i have not been insulted
i am not insulted
i will not be insulted
i can not be insulted
but you are all welcome to try
if you like
perhaps you will see yourself in the attempt
it is a matter of knowing who i am
i am quite comfortable being me
i like me
i love me
for anything to upset me
it must be essentially true
so
if something does upset me
i seek the seed of true in the something
and see it
and allow it
and like magic
i am no longer upset by it
it really is that simple
awareness
would you knowingly put your hand in the fire?
and
if you unknowingly do so
will not the fire point you to awareness?
so
say goodbye to "andy j" chuckmeister
you lose the bet
feel free to wait your three months
but get kay's address and make it ready
for you will have mail to send
habba peachyduckydayo!
:)
mrbill
mr bill
On 25-Jun-2004, "Amminadab" <am...@amminadab.com> wrote:
> No. Sometimes you lash out.
no, sometimes you choose the perception that i am lashing
out
things are not what they seem to your perceptions
funny how that works, huh?
:)
mrbill
Amminadab
That you deny it, does not change what is clearly evident.
Amminadab
--
Amminadab's Lantern of Truth
http://amminadab.com
J. L.
If things were not often what it seemed to your perception, then perception
wouldn't work at all. More Pizza boy, Philosophy of perception, handled by
an amateur. It contiunally amazes me how dumb you are are, and how
intelligent you think you are. Too funny!
Mike
wrote:
>mr bill wrote:
>> On 25-Jun-2004, "Amminadab" <am...@amminadab.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No. Sometimes you lash out.
>>
>> no, sometimes you choose the perception that i am lashing
>> out
>> things are not what they seem to your perceptions
>> funny how that works, huh?
>
>
>No. Sometimes you lash out.
>
So do you. And in the next breath you perpetrate the fraud that you
are all healed and holy having accepted atonement and graduated from
the Course
Mike
wrote:
It continues to amaze me that you seriously believe you know what
you're talking about.
J. L.
What is this the Eots tag team? One idiot wants to sodomize Jesus. And the
other idiot just wants to . . . Yeah, we get the Eots picture.
ROTFLMAO
J. L.
I generally amaze people who have a associates degrees from a technical
colleges and master's degree in Eots B.S.
mr bill
On 26-Jun-2004, "Amminadab" <am...@amminadab.com> wrote:
> No. Sometimes you lash out.
>
> That you deny it, does not change what is clearly evident.
what is clearly evident is that you think that what you
think is true.
i assure you, it is not.
if you choose not to believe what is true, that makes you a
liar.
good luck with that, my old friend.
:)
mrbill
mr bill
On 26-Jun-2004, "J. L." <webm...@jcim.net> wrote:
> If things were not often what it seemed to your
> perception, then perception
> wouldn't work at all.
if you believe that perception works at all, then that
explains a lot of your paranoid delusions.
:)
mrbill
Mike
wrote:
Yes, you amaze them with your blatant ignorance