> Nobody in Particular wrote:
>
>> When she farts, her ankles swell.
>
> Is this the answer (or at least an answer) to the public case that
> stumped Seung Sahn?
>
> As quoted by Stumper/oxtail:
>
> Tenth Gate: Ko Bong's "Mouse Eats Cat Food"
>
> Seung Sahn visited his teacher, Zen Master Ko Bong, who asked him many
> difficult kong-ans which Seung Sahn answered easily. After many
> exchanges, Ko Bong said, "Alright, one last question. The mouse eats cat
> food, but the cat bowl is broken. What does this mean?"
>
> Seung gave many answers, but to each Ko Bong only said, "No." Seung Sahn
> became angry and frustrated, completely stuck. After staring into Ko
> Bong's eyes for 50 minutes, his mind broke open like lightning striking.
>
> The mouse eats cat food, but the cat bowl is broken. What does this
> mean?
>
> From: http://www.kwanumzen.com/misc/12gates.html
>
> [end of quote]
>
> Tang Huyen
We think we are thinking our thoughts.
But the thoughts might be thinking us.
A quarter is 25 cents.
What's for lunch?
--
oxtail
for all of 25 cents? steak, lobster
and cocktails at any decent establishment.
destablishment
ZN :D
absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
Exactly
see what 15 cents will do.
try this excellent link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6WpUz4ick
it led me to this cool josh white version i hadn't heard before -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgALQRg78I&feature=related
enjoy.
honestly, this song always gets to me...
and today, i was in the city centre - which i avoid as much as
possible, but having picked up my daughter from the station, needed a
cup of coffee to steady my rush hour traffic nerves. hate the way
table-clearing people in a run of the mill cafe are supposed to become
invisible people that no-one sees, and said so to my daughter...
probably why you guys reminded me of the song...
hiya...
possum
>see what 15 cents will do.
>try this excellent link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6WpUz4ick
>
>it led me to this cool josh white version i hadn't heard before -
And it led me to the Dave Van Ronk version, who is folk rock god as
far as I'm concerned. Thanks.
Thank you! : )
HiYa back at ya...
Great song!
I think that's how capitalism works, people is people imo, not meanz
to endz... far too easy imo for people to pretend people aint people.
far far too bloody easy :-(
Seen 'A Serious Man'
Recommended 100% Kosher Buddhist Film :-}
Did I telll this story. Once I was sitting in a Buddhist place, as you
do. A man came up to me and started to make small talk. I said "This
is my Church, and this is where I heal my hurts". he said, wow tats
profound... No I said, its by Faithless... "God is a DJ"
:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdLoDuU716M
pretending is an act of make- believe, which kind of implies that they
believe or know that peeps are peeps, just like themselves, underneath
the pretence otherwise. but the system denies this universal
peopleness, or, paraphrasing orwell, all people are equal, but some
are more equal than others. it sucks from thin to thick end of the
wedge. is it the case that, thanks to the system, some people simply
don't believe that people are people are people... ? is it that
people don't think at all about it...? (ignorance/delusion?). refuse
to accept what is entailed in thinking outside of conditioning...?
there seems to be a lot of power in belief...there's a lot of power
built up in the system itself, but still it depends on people
believing in it...i'm speaking from my perspective of course
here...but heck, there's a lot of evidence... : /
at this stage in the game it seems pointless even to call the 'system'
capitalism. what the fuck is it?
>
> Seen 'A Serious Man'
>
> Recommended 100% Kosher Buddhist Film :-}
: ) ok, i haven't seen it...
but i are serious cat... : )
>
> Did I telll this story. Once I was sitting in a Buddhist place, as you
> do. A man came up to me and started to make small talk. I said "This
> is my Church, and this is where I heal my hurts". he said, wow tats
> profound... No I said, its by Faithless... "God is a DJ"
>
> :-)
nope... good one!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdLoDuU716M
: ) too energetic for me... i must be getting old...
how's tricks, stef?
hope you and barb are well?
possum
"pretending is an act of make- believe, which kind of implies that they
believe or know that peeps are peeps, just like themselves, underneath
the pretence otherwise. but the system denies this universal
peopleness, or, paraphrasing orwell, all people are equal, but some
are more equal than others. it sucks from thin to thick end of the
wedge. is it the case that, thanks to the system, some people simply
don't believe that people are people are people... ? is it that
people don't think at all about it...? (ignorance/delusion?). refuse
to accept what is entailed in thinking outside of conditioning...?"
IMO one of the least appealing, and yet innate and almost reflexive, aspects
of human nature is to "dehumanise" others. It is a useful trick enabling you
to at best ignore them and at worst do horrible things to them.
"there seems to be a lot of power in belief..."
So true, both for the positive and negative...
"there's a lot of power
built up in the system itself, but still it depends on people
believing in it...i'm speaking from my perspective of course
here...but heck, there's a lot of evidence... : / at this stage in the game
it seems pointless even to call the 'system'
capitalism. what the fuck is it?"
You are quite right, it is beyond any man made 'system' (such as
capatalism) IMO it's human nature (and sometimes it makes me feel I want to
leave the planet!) esspecially when others manipulate these tendancies for
nefarious purposes- What a pathetic lot of fuckwits we can be... Well I can
only speak for myself ;-)
"how's tricks, stef?
hope you and barb are well?
possum"
Fine thank you, I just decided to check in here for a bit to try and get my
"wild" mind tamed a bit more... :-). I've read some very interesting stuff
from a number of TRBers who are still around... :-)
Yes I remember now, you channel Tang through your cat...
:-)
(I think you will like the film!)
oh crikey stef! we have arguments here about 'reality' and belief,
and now you want to throw in human nature! : ) will that be
'fundamental' human nature or the inter-relational/dependent with the
environment' human nature... i doubt there's enough time in the
universe, at my rate of progress.
>
> "how's tricks, stef?
> hope you and barb are well?
> possum"
>
> Fine thank you, I just decided to check in here for a bit to try and get my
> "wild" mind tamed a bit more... :-). I've read some very interesting stuff
> from a number of TRBers who are still around... :-)
>
> Yes I remember now, you channel Tang through your cat...
> :-)
little tang is either off on his travels or having a secret snooze
somewhere. flickster is indoors watching the wind blowing through the
garden and waiting for birds to ack ack at. spocky is purring and
pawing 'i can haz cheeseburger?' in my face.
fluff.
>
> (I think you will like the film!)
i'll give it a whirl. : )
possum
Josh White is the king of that song.
Robert
= = = = =
For those of us who can't or won't do youtube, would one or the other
of you enthusiasts please mention the name of "that song", or at least
what it's called (or even what its name is called)?
Lee Rudolph
sorry Lee : ) it's called 'One meatball'.
here are some of the lyrics, but you really are missing a treat. it's
such a good song (maybe you know it?) - all the versions are good.
A little man walked up and down,
To find an eating place in town.
He read the menu through and through,
To see what fifteen cents could do.
One meat ball,
One meat ball,
He could afford but one meat ball.
He told the waiter near at hand,
The simple dinner he had planned.
The guests were startled one and all,
To here that waiter loudly call,
One meat ball,
One meat ball,
This here gent wants one meat ball.
The little man felt very sad,
For one meat ball ia all he had,
And in his dreams he hears that call,
Ya gets no bread with one meat ball.
One meat ball,
One meat ball,
Ya gets no bread with one meat ball.
>On 7 Dec, 01:40, Lee Rudolph <lrudo...@panix.com> wrote:
>> halfawake <epstein...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> >brian mitchell wrote:
>>
>> >> possum wrote:
>>
>> >>>see what 15 cents will do.
>> >>>try this excellent link -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6WpUz4ick
>>
>> >>>it led me to this cool josh white version i hadn't heard before -
>>
>> >> And it led me to the Dave Van Ronk version, who is folk rock god as
>> >> far as I'm concerned. Thanks.
>>
>> >Josh White is the king of that song.
>>
>> >Robert
>>
>> For those of us who can't or won't do youtube, would one or the other
>> of you enthusiasts please mention the name of "that song", or at least
>> what it's called (or even what its name is called)?
>>
>> Lee Rudolph
>
>sorry Lee : ) it's called 'One meatball'.
>
>here are some of the lyrics, but you really are missing a treat. it's
>such a good song (maybe you know it?) - all the versions are good.
Sheesh. Of *course* I know it.
Not, however, from anything but Genuine Folk Transmission; no
recordings involved (at least not at my end of the transmission
line).
Lee Rudolph (not only a *good* song, but a *true* song)
Lee Rudolph wrote:
> Sheesh. Of *course* I know it.
>
> Not, however, from anything but Genuine Folk
> Transmission; no recordings involved (at least
> not at my end of the transmission line).
>
> Lee Rudolph (not only a *good* song, but a
> *true* song)
The guy who invented Oracle just went
to IBM presentations of SQL (which is
pronounced by its letters and not sequel,
because the latter had already been
trademarked by some other company),
listened to IBM talks, and cloned the
technology (of relational database) as
Oracle. He got the idea for free, not
from anything but Genuine Folk
Transmission; no recordings involved (at
least not at his end of the transmission
line). Not only a *good* idea, but also a
*true* idea. From Big Blue.
I heard people say that the guy who
started Celestial Seasonings just walked
in the woods, walked out and made a
fortune from the herbs. Very debonair.
With no investment at all.
Tang Huyen
Google was an idea and technology floating like fluff
in the collective consciousness, since the '80s.
I first had a whiff of its perfume around '85 when
Gary Nelson explained that he indexation of data
grows as the logarithm of the data. Enormous amounts of
data thus can be referenced very economically, as Google
has proved.
Gary Nelson proposed an ingenious way to encourage
creative writing on the web through the use of such an
index. He proposed to pay a pittance to authors
when their texts were read and/or quoted on line,
the index being the means to keep track of the process.
I suspect that you, Oxtail, and many others here on
Alt.Zen (Ali, Ned, Arnold Vance, Tara, Evelyn, Lucifer,
etc.etc.) would now be rolling in the dough..
Alas, Google swallowed Usenet whole. Perhaps we could
get them to pay author's rights according to the
number of posts garnering stars accourding to Google's
rating system. GGoogle is getting our best writing
for free and is that fair ?!
I just signed up for GIGANEWS. You have to pay but there support people
responded very fast indeed!
So far so good...
No. Google should charge for hosting a lot of this crap.
Where's Awaken21? He's got shares.
He should kick up a fuss at the next AGM.
don't worry, they make lots... indirectly
as long as there are thirsty mouthes at its titties
well without a recording how can you hear Joshua White sing it?
was ya dere, Chahley?
I have heard Pete Seeger, Arlo Guthrie, Earl Robinson, Mahalia Jackson,
Odetta, Peter Paul and Mary, Dylan, Janis Joplin, Country Joe, Roger
McGuinn, Robbie Robertson, Paul Butterfield, Jerry Garcia, and some
others live, but Josh White was a bit before my time.
robert
= = = = = =
One Meatball.
A little man walked up and down,
He found an eating place in town,
He read the menu through and through,
To see what fifteen cents could do.
One meatball, one meatball,
He could afford but one meatball.
He told the waiter near at hand,
The simple dinner he had planned.
The guests were startled, one and all,
To hear that waiter loudly call, "What,
"One meatball, one meatball?
Hey, this here gent wants one meatball."
The little man felt ill at ease,
Said, "Some bread, sir, if you please."
The waiter hollered down the hall,
"You gets no bread with one meatball.
"One meatball, one meatball,
Well, you gets no bread with one meatball."
The little man felt very bad,
One meatball was all he had,
And in his dreams he hears that call,
"You gets no bread with one meatball.
"One meatball, one meatball,
Well, you gets no bread with one meatball."
note: Josh White's hit version
RR
oct99
robert
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zenworm wrote:
> "You sunk my battleship!"
>
> ZN ;D
> jubilation for no reason owned by no one
I don't know about you, but I need this
chingang guy around. (His name probably
means diamond). He's sharp like a tack.
Just now Jen takes refuge in the Daoist
board under the nym Lee (she often posts
on the Buddhist boards as Lee Frank), so
chingang comes here from the Daoist board
to stir things up, which is quite timely.
Tang Huyen
Sensing a smile as his words overflow?
A river wide and deep?
Can 'chingang' mean 'uncarved block'?
Splendid not knowing(s).
Yes
Gratitude
Thank God someone new came around to rev you up just in the nick of
time, as you were just about to wind down!
Robert
= = = = = = = = = = =
refuge?
no, just refuse.
she?
There's an echo in here.
(ear, ear)
Lee rudolph
>>> refuge?
HAI!
Chaingang!
Hai!
--
masturbation for obvious reasons owned by the hand
it's an illuminati conspiracy
i kept hearing an echo too
until i bought cotton balls.
>no, just refuse.
if you can't get your fuse to
stay in try a different casing
material.
Or just throw the whole thing in the garbage. Then again, one man's
junk...
-
Well, I always said don't sell yourself short, but this is ridiculous.
-
you seem to say that as if to imply
that there is somebody who actually
gives a shit what you think.
you appear to be trying to say
that there may be someone who actually gives a
shit what you think. now there is nothing
more ridiculous than that.
No, that's what you proved by replying to my message.
> now there is nothing
> more ridiculous than that.
I agree. There is nothing more ridiculous than your foolish response.
Oh sorry. There's one thing that's more ridiculous. Ever hear of that
Jen character? He actually lied to people that he was a girl - so they
would like him more! And he's still bitter about the whole thing! Man,
will wonders never cease. If I were to ever lie to people that I was a
girl so they would like me, it wouldn't be no thang. I'd be over it
before you even hit the ground running.
-
you wish
> now there is nothing
> more ridiculous than that.
>I agree. There is nothing more ridiculous than your foolish response.
and your lack of humour is
spiritually uplifting?
>Oh sorry. There's one thing that's more ridiculous. Ever hear of that
>Jen character? He actually lied to people that he was a girl - so they
>would like him more! And he's still bitter about the whole thing! Man,
>will wonders never cease. If I were to ever lie to people that I was a
>girl so they would like me, it wouldn't be no thang. I'd be over it
>before you even hit the ground running.
very weak, but that's what i'd expect
from your lackluster watered down
ego.
> On Dec 15, 5:27 am, "Lee" <original...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:66d92dbd-ab26-4ec1...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>On Dec 14, 8:05 pm, "Lee" <original...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"D�j� Flu" <cha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I don't think that's why he called himself "Jen." I think it was more
of a randomizing of identity-preference-necessity thing, as part of his
application of transpersonality to the realm of relating, aka deepening
of non-identification through skillful application of the principle of
non-specific identity assignment.
You're the one claiming "I wish" you replied to my message, in the
reply to my message...
lol
-
Thats what he said, though now he denies it.
> I think it was more
> of a randomizing of identity-preference-necessity thing, as part of his
> application of transpersonality to the realm of relating, aka deepening
> of non-identification through skillful application of the principle of
> non-specific identity assignment.
*shrug* The post is out there somewhere in alt.zen.
-
lol
=====================================
my genuine compassion for your deep
seated ignorance and naive nature forces
me to tell you that no one gives a shit what
you say or think.
can you show us the post where i said that?
oh, of course not because it's simply another
one of your reptilian defensive posturing lies
yet again.
Except you, of course.
-
Yes.
> oh, of course not because it's simply another
> one of your reptilian defensive posturing lies
> yet again.
Uhh.. I said yes, you blithering idiot.
-
Yes.
----------------------------------------
then let's see it
I'm just waiting until you've made a complete fool of yourself - well,
yes, even moreso than now. Go ahead and mock me some more. Dance on
it, accuse me of making it up, of lying. Get it all on record nice and
neat, then I will post the direct link to where you admitted you lied
to people when you first came here, told people you were a girl so
they would like you more.
-
----------------------------------------------------------
:-) Make an ass of yourself first. Don't say "I can't show you the
post" and therefore x y or z. Make a statement that it isn't true. Go
ahead and flat out claim you never did any such thing. And mean it,
trust me I will know, I've read enough of your posts to know when you
are trying and when you're just being a dickwad.
And hey if you don't want to swim with the sharks, I won't laugh at
you. No, I'll commend you.
"The distinguishing characteristic of twentieth-century philosophy is
a resurgence or irrationalism—a revolt against reason." -Nathaniel
Branden, 1963
And that's you in a nutshell. It's a phase. You and everything you
are. Can you see it? Can you move above it and deal with it
objectively? That is a test I cannot mark, Jen. It is for you and you
alone.
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