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Tang Huyen
Mar 25, 2012, 10:19:49 AM3/25/12
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On 3/25/2012 9:58 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:
> If you pay close enough attention you
> will begin to notice that reality is
> something completely different than
> what you have been brainwashed to
> believe.
>
> As soon as you fully see exactly what
> reality truly is, then you are
> enlightened.
>
> As soon as you fully integrate this
> realization into your being then
> consummation of incomparable
> enlightenment is complete.
"What and what they think it, it
is otherwise".
Tang Huyen
> If you pay close enough attention you
> will begin to notice that reality is
> something completely different than
> what you have been brainwashed to
> believe.
>
> As soon as you fully see exactly what
> reality truly is, then you are
> enlightened.
>
> As soon as you fully integrate this
> realization into your being then
> consummation of incomparable
> enlightenment is complete.
"What and what they think it, it
is otherwise".
Tang Huyen
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 25, 2012, 11:54:07 AM3/25/12
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On Mar 25, 10:19 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
wrote:
More quote terrorism, Tang-banger?
/l
wrote:
/l
i2i
Mar 25, 2012, 12:08:23 PM3/25/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
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> If you pay close enough attention you will begin to notice that reality is
> something completely different than what you have been brainwashed to
> believe.
and if you pay even closer attention
> something completely different than what you have been brainwashed to
> believe.
you'll see the brainwashing of what
you're claiming here.
> As soon as you fully see exactly what reality truly is, then you are
> enlightened.
the simple act of seeing thus
you're not likely to *become*
enlightened through the human
agenda's act of "seeing", either
physically or philosophically.
> As soon as you fully integrate this realization into your being then
> consummation of incomparable enlightenment is complete.
in the human domain. the kundalini
energy eventually can become so
intense that the physical corporeal
form simply dissolves away.
you can lie to your spouse, you can
lie to your guru, you can even lie to
god, just don't lie to yourself.
i2i
Mar 25, 2012, 12:11:16 PM3/25/12
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specific to the word thought domain
of the human agenda and then if you're
lucky you dwell specific to the impression
feeling domain and from there you might be
able to get beyond both, if you're lucky.
i2i
Mar 25, 2012, 12:12:05 PM3/25/12
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>voltaire
Peter Olcott
Mar 25, 2012, 1:06:58 PM3/25/12
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accurately contained within either words or concepts, thus the words
above can at best only point directly at the best place to look.
Peter Olcott
Mar 25, 2012, 1:11:35 PM3/25/12
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Tang Huyen
Mar 25, 2012, 1:25:06 PM3/25/12
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On 3/25/2012 12:08 PM, i2i wrote:
> you can lie to your spouse, you can
> lie to your guru, you can even lie to
> god, just don't lie to yourself.
All these years, I have repeatedly said
> you can lie to your spouse, you can
> lie to your guru, you can even lie to
> god, just don't lie to yourself.
that if you lie to yourself, mental
culture becomes impossible. You can
still gain worldly gains, like charm,
charisma, energy (kundalini), but you
will never free yourself.
Which is why I test the fakes, just so
that they know that they are fooling
themselves. They are lying to
themselves about "enlightenment" or
"awakening" or whatever, but they are
never going to get anywhere near
there, because they lie to themselves.
Tang Huyen
leon tally
Mar 25, 2012, 2:01:09 PM3/25/12
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On Mar 25, 1:25 pm, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
wrote:
So banging on the deluded endows you with pious enlightenment, eh
Tang?
You're the fake. The deluded ones are more a genuine article than you
are. They've got heart, and they're not out to commit psychological
arson or disingenuous head games. When I meet a fool swimming in a
personal sea of suffering and wistful delusion, and he just needs to
find somebody who can relate to his framework, my first thought is
NOT
"Well, I'll show him to come to me with his need to affirm and
recognize his need for validation, I'll smash his misguided ideas down
& make him sorry he ever trusted me to teach anything he might've
learned."
That, that would be a betrayal of the Dharma.
The biggest fool is the one who might know better and yet still toys
with the vulnerable in order to prop up his insecurities.
I see your methods as transparently mean and petty. There are bigger
stakes between people's ears than their self-congratulatory notions.
You're picking a slow moving target and bragging about your
marksmanship.
How big a fool are you, Tang?
And how big a fool am I to challenge you?
Aren't you ready for a new growth trajectory?
Here's a challenge: Prove to me that neither of us are fools.
/l
wrote:
Tang?
You're the fake. The deluded ones are more a genuine article than you
are. They've got heart, and they're not out to commit psychological
arson or disingenuous head games. When I meet a fool swimming in a
personal sea of suffering and wistful delusion, and he just needs to
find somebody who can relate to his framework, my first thought is
NOT
"Well, I'll show him to come to me with his need to affirm and
recognize his need for validation, I'll smash his misguided ideas down
& make him sorry he ever trusted me to teach anything he might've
learned."
That, that would be a betrayal of the Dharma.
The biggest fool is the one who might know better and yet still toys
with the vulnerable in order to prop up his insecurities.
I see your methods as transparently mean and petty. There are bigger
stakes between people's ears than their self-congratulatory notions.
You're picking a slow moving target and bragging about your
marksmanship.
How big a fool are you, Tang?
And how big a fool am I to challenge you?
Aren't you ready for a new growth trajectory?
Here's a challenge: Prove to me that neither of us are fools.
/l
Tang Huyen
Mar 25, 2012, 2:17:02 PM3/25/12
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On 3/25/2012 2:01 PM, leon tally wrote:
> So banging on the deluded endows you
> with pious enlightenment, eh Tang?
>
> You're the fake.
Thank you.
> So banging on the deluded endows you
> with pious enlightenment, eh Tang?
>
> You're the fake.
Tang "the fake" Huyen
brian mitchell
Mar 25, 2012, 4:13:39 PM3/25/12
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Tang Huyen wrote:
>All these years, I have repeatedly said
>that if you lie to yourself, mental
>culture becomes impossible. You can
>still gain worldly gains, like charm,
>charisma, energy (kundalini), but you
>will never free yourself.
>
>Which is why I test the fakes, just so
>that they know that they are fooling
>themselves. They are lying to
>themselves about "enlightenment" or
>"awakening" or whatever, but they are
>never going to get anywhere near
>there, because they lie to themselves.
As I see it, the lie to yourself on which this whole routine rests is that the only "fakes" you
>All these years, I have repeatedly said
>that if you lie to yourself, mental
>culture becomes impossible. You can
>still gain worldly gains, like charm,
>charisma, energy (kundalini), but you
>will never free yourself.
>
>Which is why I test the fakes, just so
>that they know that they are fooling
>themselves. They are lying to
>themselves about "enlightenment" or
>"awakening" or whatever, but they are
>never going to get anywhere near
>there, because they lie to themselves.
identify and take issue with are a couple of people towards whom you happen to have some personal
animus.
i2i
Mar 25, 2012, 4:29:23 PM3/25/12
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i2i
Mar 25, 2012, 4:33:41 PM3/25/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
instead of claiming enlightenment
and letting it go at that why don't
you offer some practical guidelines
for the rest of us endarkened ones?
Tang Huyen
Mar 25, 2012, 4:50:02 PM3/25/12
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On 3/25/2012 4:29 PM, i2i wrote:
> musta been my hat
Did any sloughed-off legs that were added
to paintings of snakes fall into it by
chance?
Tang Huyen
> musta been my hat
Did any sloughed-off legs that were added
to paintings of snakes fall into it by
chance?
Tang Huyen
Tang Huyen
Mar 25, 2012, 5:22:44 PM3/25/12
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On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> this whole routine rests is that the only
> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> are a couple of people towards whom you
> happen to have some personal animus.
It might be so.
> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> this whole routine rests is that the only
> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> are a couple of people towards whom you
> happen to have some personal animus.
However, the whole group of urchins
on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
web head, me) tend to react the same
way to the fakes, so that the fakes
get the same treatment in general
from the urchins. In general, the
fakes have not been accepted by the
urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
about criticising the resident fake
because he likes Evelyn and will not
criticise her protégé(s). But the
other urchins have criticised the
fakes, though again with some
preference, however no fakes get a
nice treatment from the urchins.
Even oxtail does not overtly defend
the resident fake, though he
refrains from criticising him.
So, my personal preferences accord
well with those of the other
urchins. The resident fake gets the
brunt of criticisms from web head
in recent months, and not from me.
Tang Huyen
liaM
Mar 25, 2012, 7:33:56 PM3/25/12
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SG
Mar 25, 2012, 11:58:55 PM3/25/12
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serenity."
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:02:26 AM3/26/12
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one finds essence.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:03:07 AM3/26/12
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noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:03:52 AM3/26/12
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noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:14:21 AM3/26/12
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but by being compassionate with your own ego you will never kill it, nor
even allow it to die on its own. Probably best to let it starve alone
and friendless, recognizing that your compassion is a covering for fear.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:27:19 AM3/26/12
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On 03/25/2012 03:22 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:
> On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
>> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
>> this whole routine rests is that the only
>> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
>> are a couple of people towards whom you
>> happen to have some personal animus.
>
> It might be so.
The sun *might* be visible during the day.
> On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
>> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
>> this whole routine rests is that the only
>> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
>> are a couple of people towards whom you
>> happen to have some personal animus.
>
> It might be so.
> However, the whole group of urchins
> on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
> web head, me) tend to react the same
> way to the fakes, so that the fakes
> get the same treatment in general
> from the urchins. In general, the
> fakes have not been accepted by the
> urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
> about criticising the resident fake
> because he likes Evelyn and will not
> criticise her protégé(s). But the
> other urchins have criticised the
> fakes, though again with some
> preference, however no fakes get a
> nice treatment from the urchins.
> Even oxtail does not overtly defend
> the resident fake, though he
> refrains from criticising him.
>
> So, my personal preferences accord
> well with those of the other
> urchins. The resident fake gets the
> brunt of criticisms from web head
> in recent months, and not from me.
>
> Tang Huyen
If you are done awarding yourself the title of "objective fake tester"
can you walk away from that excess baggage, or will it own you forever?
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:31:29 AM3/26/12
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You don't need it.
If you did, it would be inescapable.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:36:06 AM3/26/12
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There is no best place to look at what can be seen anywhere.
Stop running after it so it can catch you.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:53:16 AM3/26/12
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yourself willingly for beating if you dare, or abase yourself before all
you consider holy and be kicked for your stupidity: in no way can you
avoid your due.
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 26, 2012, 5:49:48 AM3/26/12
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On Mar 25, 12:12 pm, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
> "beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Good ol' Voltaire....
There's a lot of meaninglessness to go around. And a lot of clever
phrases.
But that's just a correlation.
/l
> "beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
There's a lot of meaninglessness to go around. And a lot of clever
phrases.
But that's just a correlation.
/l
liaM
Mar 26, 2012, 6:42:33 AM3/26/12
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oxtail
Mar 26, 2012, 9:36:43 AM3/26/12
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Does it smell?
--
oxtail
i2i
Mar 26, 2012, 10:51:28 AM3/26/12
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i2i
Mar 26, 2012, 10:54:37 AM3/26/12
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"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
that more subtle arena of endeavour
that brought you here you must dwell
specific to unadulterated i amness. from
there you can "return", so to speak, to
that which has no name, no essence.
i2i
Mar 26, 2012, 10:57:57 AM3/26/12
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"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
calls that "pristine state". there is an accelerated
calmness, a complete fearlessness and an observation
of the complete ridiculousness of man and his foibles.
whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
into the ego domain of the false human identity of
needful expression.
i2i
Mar 26, 2012, 10:58:49 AM3/26/12
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it was the irony of his
statement that i liked
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 26, 2012, 12:30:00 PM3/26/12
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/l
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 26, 2012, 12:29:57 PM3/26/12
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Jigme Dorje
Mar 26, 2012, 12:34:25 PM3/26/12
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Jigme Dorje
Mar 26, 2012, 12:35:34 PM3/26/12
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Nice contribution.
Rosie Lea
Mar 26, 2012, 1:07:36 PM3/26/12
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:36:43 +0000 (UTC), oxtail <oxt...@nowhere.org>
wrote:
Smells very fishy to me :D
wrote:
i2i
Mar 26, 2012, 1:30:11 PM3/26/12
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as such, but the hard part is stabilizing
there.
Jigme Dorje
Mar 26, 2012, 1:49:20 PM3/26/12
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Life's tests don't stop, but ratchet up each time. Complacency is not an
option.
But complacency is also not consistent with practice. Vigilance shows
the false identification doesn't just slip back in, but makes a home.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 2:53:06 PM3/26/12
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> Does it smell?
Smell is a form.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 2:54:34 PM3/26/12
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noname
Mar 26, 2012, 3:04:07 PM3/26/12
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screw up and die first; eventually the glimpses come closer together and
last longer... on the other side of some middle, one has occasional
glimpses where he thinks the mundane is important. Presumably as the
cycles diminish there comes a point where one is no longer having
"glimpses" of either, where kensho becomes satori as the Zen people
might say.
> whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
> wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
> into the ego domain of the false human identity of
> needful expression.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 3:08:27 PM3/26/12
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false claims; making false claims amounts to a lie told to yourself and
always sets you backward. Perhaps the word "claim" is itself a
statement that one is stating a pretension rather than a fact.
> Nice contribution.
Now you are claiming that you can judge its value? <g>
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 3:11:59 PM3/26/12
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from completion by avoidance or death. Avoidance is an expression of
fear, and fear is aversive desire. When desire is lost, there you are,
nothing to do but let it happen.
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 3:13:52 PM3/26/12
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oxtail
Mar 26, 2012, 3:59:31 PM3/26/12
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Is life a form?
--
oxtail
noname
Mar 26, 2012, 4:29:25 PM3/26/12
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have to look "deeper within" or anything, just keep your awareness open.
oxtail
Mar 26, 2012, 5:15:38 PM3/26/12
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--
oxtail
SG
Mar 26, 2012, 9:29:26 PM3/26/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 26, 2012, 9:42:38 PM3/26/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 26, 2012, 9:50:03 PM3/26/12
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On 3/26/2012 3:36 AM, noname wrote:
>> The actual first-hand direct experience of realization can not be
>> accurately contained within either words or concepts, thus the words
>> above can at best only point directly at the best place to look.
>
> There is no best place to look for what can be seen anywhere.
>> The actual first-hand direct experience of realization can not be
>> accurately contained within either words or concepts, thus the words
>> above can at best only point directly at the best place to look.
>
> There is no best place to look at what can be seen anywhere.
> Stop running after it so it can catch you.
The best place to look is not a place. It can be seen everywhere if one
knows how to look.
Peter Olcott
Mar 26, 2012, 9:55:22 PM3/26/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 26, 2012, 9:57:46 PM3/26/12
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one's own direct experience.
Peter Olcott
Mar 26, 2012, 10:07:03 PM3/26/12
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purposes and has no other meaning what-so-ever outside of these boundaries.
Jigme Dorje
Mar 26, 2012, 10:44:15 PM3/26/12
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On 3/26/2012 9:57 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>> On 03/26/2012 10:35 AM, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2012 10:57 AM, i2i wrote:
>>>> i've had glimpses of what ramana maharshi
>>>> calls that "pristine state". there is an accelerated
>>>> calmness, a complete fearlessness and an observation
>>>> of the complete ridiculousness of man and his foibles.
>>>> whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
>>>> wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
>>>> into the ego domain of the false human identity of
>>>> needful expression.
<snip>
>> On 03/26/2012 10:35 AM, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2012 10:57 AM, i2i wrote:
>>>> i've had glimpses of what ramana maharshi
>>>> calls that "pristine state". there is an accelerated
>>>> calmness, a complete fearlessness and an observation
>>>> of the complete ridiculousness of man and his foibles.
>>>> whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
>>>> wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
>>>> into the ego domain of the false human identity of
>>>> needful expression.
>>> Nice contribution.
>>
>> Now you are claiming that you can judge its value? <g>
(i2i). To be able to share one's personal experience is deeply humbling,
and it is humbling and gratifying to be the recipient.
> I never make a false claims, every claim that I make can be verified by
> one's own direct experience.
assertions; verify for yourself.
I don't bother with claims myself. The practice for me is to experience
and not attempt to define - either for myself or for others.
I think Love put it quite well recently when he said "No, I am not the
noun form of any of those things. These are tribal/allegiance markers
when used that way, nothing more, even if there is empirical evidence
for the adjectival descriptions."
Good to see you back, Peter.
Jigme Dorje
Mar 26, 2012, 10:46:46 PM3/26/12
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i2i
Mar 27, 2012, 12:39:01 AM3/27/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
else ya got up your sleeve?
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 4:16:37 AM3/27/12
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enemy and you can only win.
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 4:18:08 AM3/27/12
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noname
Mar 27, 2012, 4:23:21 AM3/27/12
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one sentence and within it you tell several lies. Read it, it's all
about what "I" does, how great "I" is, it's your arrogant pride writing
for you, grab it by the throat and make it shut up.
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 4:31:10 AM3/27/12
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On 03/26/2012 08:44 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:
> On 3/26/2012 9:57 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> On 03/26/2012 10:35 AM, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>>> On 3/26/2012 10:57 AM, i2i wrote:
>>>>> i've had glimpses of what ramana maharshi
>>>>> calls that "pristine state". there is an accelerated
>>>>> calmness, a complete fearlessness and an observation
>>>>> of the complete ridiculousness of man and his foibles.
>>>>> whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
>>>>> wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
>>>>> into the ego domain of the false human identity of
>>>>> needful expression.
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Nice contribution.
>>>
>>> Now you are claiming that you can judge its value? <g>
>
> Not for others, but for myself, it there is appreciation for the author
> (i2i). To be able to share one's personal experience is deeply humbling,
> and it is humbling and gratifying to be the recipient.
You're the recipient, are you? You're gratified? How many kinds of
> On 3/26/2012 9:57 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> On 03/26/2012 10:35 AM, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>>> On 3/26/2012 10:57 AM, i2i wrote:
>>>>> i've had glimpses of what ramana maharshi
>>>>> calls that "pristine state". there is an accelerated
>>>>> calmness, a complete fearlessness and an observation
>>>>> of the complete ridiculousness of man and his foibles.
>>>>> whenever i think there is any need for seriousness or
>>>>> wants and needs in general i know i've slipped back
>>>>> into the ego domain of the false human identity of
>>>>> needful expression.
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Nice contribution.
>>>
>>> Now you are claiming that you can judge its value? <g>
>
> Not for others, but for myself, it there is appreciation for the author
> (i2i). To be able to share one's personal experience is deeply humbling,
> and it is humbling and gratifying to be the recipient.
gratification are you enjoying today?
>> I never make a false claims, every claim that I make can be verified by
>> one's own direct experience.
>
> That is pretty much what the Buddha said, isn't it? Accept no one's
> assertions; verify for yourself.
>
> I don't bother with claims myself.
> The practice for me is to experience
> and not attempt to define - either for myself or for others.
>
> I think Love put it quite well recently when he said "No, I am not the
> noun form of any of those things. These are tribal/allegiance markers
> when used that way, nothing more, even if there is empirical evidence
> for the adjectival descriptions."
>
> Good to see you back, Peter.
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 4:34:34 AM3/27/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 5:29:29 AM3/27/12
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One person, many bodies.
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 7:03:39 AM3/27/12
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oxtail
Mar 27, 2012, 10:52:20 AM3/27/12
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But I suspect you already know
that it cannot be good for you.
Ready to plant vegetables?
--
oxtail
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 27, 2012, 11:09:05 AM3/27/12
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On Mar 26, 4:27 am, noname <non...@no.email> wrote:
> On 03/25/2012 03:22 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:
>
> > On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
> >> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> >> this whole routine rests is that the only
> >> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> >> are a couple of people towards whom you
> >> happen to have some personal animus.
>
> > It might be so.
>
> The sun *might* be visible during the day.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > However, the whole group of urchins
> > on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
> > web head, me) tend to react the same
> > way to the fakes, so that the fakes
> > get the same treatment in general
> > from the urchins. In general, the
> > fakes have not been accepted by the
> > urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
> > about criticising the resident fake
> > because he likes Evelyn and will not
> > criticise her protégé(s). But the
> > other urchins have criticised the
> > fakes, though again with some
> > preference, however no fakes get a
> > nice treatment from the urchins.
> > Even oxtail does not overtly defend
> > the resident fake, though he
> > refrains from criticising him.
>
> > So, my personal preferences accord
> > well with those of the other
> > urchins. The resident fake gets the
> > brunt of criticisms from web head
> > in recent months, and not from me.
>
> > Tang Huyen
>
> So, having justified yourself to yourself, what now?
>
> If you are done awarding yourself the title of "objective fake tester"
> can you walk away from that excess baggage, or will it own you forever?
It's as though you already know the answer.
It's dirty work keeping score on such small stakes, but somebody's
gotta do it.
The end game? Loss of interest, death or burnout.
/l
> On 03/25/2012 03:22 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:
>
> > On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
> >> As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> >> this whole routine rests is that the only
> >> "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> >> are a couple of people towards whom you
> >> happen to have some personal animus.
>
> > It might be so.
>
> The sun *might* be visible during the day.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > However, the whole group of urchins
> > on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
> > web head, me) tend to react the same
> > way to the fakes, so that the fakes
> > get the same treatment in general
> > from the urchins. In general, the
> > fakes have not been accepted by the
> > urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
> > about criticising the resident fake
> > because he likes Evelyn and will not
> > criticise her protégé(s). But the
> > other urchins have criticised the
> > fakes, though again with some
> > preference, however no fakes get a
> > nice treatment from the urchins.
> > Even oxtail does not overtly defend
> > the resident fake, though he
> > refrains from criticising him.
>
> > So, my personal preferences accord
> > well with those of the other
> > urchins. The resident fake gets the
> > brunt of criticisms from web head
> > in recent months, and not from me.
>
> > Tang Huyen
>
> So, having justified yourself to yourself, what now?
>
> If you are done awarding yourself the title of "objective fake tester"
> can you walk away from that excess baggage, or will it own you forever?
It's as though you already know the answer.
It's dirty work keeping score on such small stakes, but somebody's
gotta do it.
The end game? Loss of interest, death or burnout.
/l
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 27, 2012, 11:26:58 AM3/27/12
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On Mar 25, 5:22 pm, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
you, so you've reserved a special enmity for just one person.
So this is all about a grudge? What did this person do? Write words on
the screen?
How long will you doggedly pursue this vendetta before realizing your
crusade is empty?
Dude, you used to have an edge. A bit over-detailed to a fault, to the
point of obsession. You've given away your edge so you can be
dominated by obsession.
At this point you're dying, if not already dead. An inquisite corpse
of missed opportunities held together by obsessions.
You really wanna be the local grudge zombie for everyone to pity?
You're burying yourself alive with obsession, suffocating as you go.
It's your see-through funeral.
Or.
Get a life?
/l
wrote:
> On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
> > As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> > this whole routine rests is that the only
> > "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> > are a couple of people towards whom you
> > happen to have some personal animus.
>
> It might be so.
>
> On 3/25/2012 4:13 PM, brian mitchell wrote:
>
> > As I see it, the lie to yourself on which
> > this whole routine rests is that the only
> > "fakes" you identify and take issue with
> > are a couple of people towards whom you
> > happen to have some personal animus.
>
> It might be so.
>
> However, the whole group of urchins
> on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
> web head, me) tend to react the same
> way to the fakes, so that the fakes
> get the same treatment in general
> from the urchins. In general, the
> fakes have not been accepted by the
> urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
> about criticising the resident fake
> because he likes Evelyn and will not
> criticise her protégé(s). But the
> other urchins have criticised the
> fakes, though again with some
> preference, however no fakes get a
> nice treatment from the urchins.
> Even oxtail does not overtly defend
> the resident fake, though he
> refrains from criticising him.
>
> So, my personal preferences accord
> well with those of the other
> urchins. The resident fake gets the
> brunt of criticisms from web head
> in recent months, and not from me.
Resident fake. Let's see, you've named everybody else who'll challenge
> on these boards (Jen/i2i, oxtail,
> web head, me) tend to react the same
> way to the fakes, so that the fakes
> get the same treatment in general
> from the urchins. In general, the
> fakes have not been accepted by the
> urchins. Oxtail has been reticent
> about criticising the resident fake
> because he likes Evelyn and will not
> criticise her protégé(s). But the
> other urchins have criticised the
> fakes, though again with some
> preference, however no fakes get a
> nice treatment from the urchins.
> Even oxtail does not overtly defend
> the resident fake, though he
> refrains from criticising him.
>
> So, my personal preferences accord
> well with those of the other
> urchins. The resident fake gets the
> brunt of criticisms from web head
> in recent months, and not from me.
you, so you've reserved a special enmity for just one person.
So this is all about a grudge? What did this person do? Write words on
the screen?
How long will you doggedly pursue this vendetta before realizing your
crusade is empty?
Dude, you used to have an edge. A bit over-detailed to a fault, to the
point of obsession. You've given away your edge so you can be
dominated by obsession.
At this point you're dying, if not already dead. An inquisite corpse
of missed opportunities held together by obsessions.
You really wanna be the local grudge zombie for everyone to pity?
You're burying yourself alive with obsession, suffocating as you go.
It's your see-through funeral.
Or.
Get a life?
/l
i2i
Mar 27, 2012, 11:34:44 AM3/27/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
in terms that aren't vague and elusive?
or even some practical guidelines that
also aren't vague and elusive? us endarkened
ones need specific instructions.
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 27, 2012, 12:06:50 PM3/27/12
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On Mar 27, 11:26 am, beerlet dhiblang <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At this point you're dying, if not already dead. An inquisite corpse
> of missed opportunities held together by obsessions.
Hey, here's a thought:
> At this point you're dying, if not already dead. An inquisite corpse
> of missed opportunities held together by obsessions.
Obsession is our co-dependent relationship with our delusions. Problem
is, it feels like love, but what it really is, is dependency. ( t'aint
the warm glow of stimulation and growth, it's the fetid heat from
repetitive, rotting crapola ... )
Letting go turns out to be a bitch, even though the other side of it
is full of clear air.
Problem I noticed with being intelligent is that we're good at making
up stories that make us feel good about being smart & interested in
lots of amazing things. Problem is that those stories can sub in as
excuses when we're actually being big dumbasses.
/l
i2i
Mar 27, 2012, 12:07:06 PM3/27/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
i2i
Mar 27, 2012, 12:10:19 PM3/27/12
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"beerlet dhiblang" <dodeca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:97dd8be4-1e2c-4107...@oq7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
'zactly. the infinitesimal slice of the
cosmic cookie that any human arena
of endeavour commands is laughable
at best.
beerlet dhiblang
Mar 27, 2012, 12:14:35 PM3/27/12
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On Mar 27, 12:10 pm, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
> "beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Well, that's a bit too macro.
Even interpersonal growth, life pursuits ... wasted time is time lost.
/l
> "beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Even interpersonal growth, life pursuits ... wasted time is time lost.
/l
noname
Mar 27, 2012, 2:52:40 PM3/27/12
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> Ready to plant vegetables?
I just pick what's ready to eat when I'm hungry.
web head
Mar 27, 2012, 2:59:36 PM3/27/12
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noname
Mar 27, 2012, 3:18:04 PM3/27/12
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Actually she's working a minor miracle right now, washing dishes in
preparation for making hamburgers.
But that whole deal is irrelevant. I don't plant vegetables. In the
past I've planted a few vegetable seeds. They grow, or not. When I get
hungry, I look for something to eat. It works out just fine; either I
eat or not, and if I don't eat I either live or not; so far "the fates"
have been on my side, or maybe Murphy is convinced that I haven't dealt
with enough Earth yet. Having to get all compulsive about this shit is
just extra baggage.
Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 8:33:19 PM3/27/12
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inside-out} from what it appears to be?
Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 9:07:39 PM3/27/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 9:09:32 PM3/27/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 9:44:13 PM3/27/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 9:48:41 PM3/27/12
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completely unbelievable.
Transcendental wisdom is diametrically opposed to all common sense.
Peter Olcott
Mar 27, 2012, 9:51:13 PM3/27/12
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Sri Lanka:
Henry Steele Olcott
i2i
Mar 28, 2012, 12:38:51 AM3/28/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
but not a reality. reality
is what you notice when
you stop noticing the world.
i2i
Mar 28, 2012, 12:40:41 AM3/28/12
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"Peter Olcott" <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message
and elusive than that.
halfawake
Mar 28, 2012, 12:43:14 AM3/28/12
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liaM wrote:
> Le 26/03/2012 05:58, SG a écrit :
>
>> On Mar 25, 4:33 pm, liaM<cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 25/03/2012 20:17, Tang Huyen a écrit :
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/2012 2:01 PM, leon tally wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> So banging on the deluded endows you
>>>>> with pious enlightenment, eh Tang?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're the fake.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tang "the fake" Huyen
>>>
>>>
>>> Tang "Narcissus" Huyen, you mean.
>>
>>
>> "He who looks in mirror while flying kite will fall down and lose
>> serenity."
>
>
> Imagine that :)
And then there are those who look in their kite while flying their
mirror. That is truly spec-crash-tacular!
Robert
- - - - - - - - - - -
> Le 26/03/2012 05:58, SG a écrit :
>
>> On Mar 25, 4:33 pm, liaM<cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 25/03/2012 20:17, Tang Huyen a écrit :
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/2012 2:01 PM, leon tally wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> So banging on the deluded endows you
>>>>> with pious enlightenment, eh Tang?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're the fake.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tang "the fake" Huyen
>>>
>>>
>>> Tang "Narcissus" Huyen, you mean.
>>
>>
>> "He who looks in mirror while flying kite will fall down and lose
>> serenity."
>
>
> Imagine that :)
And then there are those who look in their kite while flying their
mirror. That is truly spec-crash-tacular!
Robert
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halfawake
Mar 28, 2012, 12:44:51 AM3/28/12
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>
smells like teen spirit.
halfawake
Mar 28, 2012, 12:45:40 AM3/28/12
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i2i wrote:
>
> "noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
> news:jkp7q...@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
nice to have help to change a spare.
Robert
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halfawake
Mar 28, 2012, 12:47:31 AM3/28/12
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beerlet dhiblang wrote:
> On Mar 26, 10:58 am, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>"beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:d28a7a63-a0c0-4357...@h5g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Mar 25, 10:19 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
>>>>/l
>>
>>>"a clever phrase means nothing."
>>
>>>>voltaire
>>
>>Good ol' Voltaire....
>>
>>There's a lot of meaninglessness to go around. And a lot of clever
>>phrases.
>>
>>But that's just a correlation.
>>
>>/l
>>
>>=================================
>>
>>it was the irony of his
>>statement that i liked
>
>
> Well, that too. He was a master at irony.
>
> /l
And yet was no starched shirt.
> On Mar 26, 10:58 am, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>"beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>On Mar 25, 12:12 pm, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>news:32698ed0-4cd4-4fa6...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"beerlet dhiblang" <dodecapus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>On Mar 25, 10:19 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>On 3/25/2012 9:58 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>On 3/25/2012 9:58 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>
>>>>>If you pay close enough attention you
>>>>>will begin to notice that reality is
>>>>>something completely different than
>>>>>what you have been brainwashed to
>>>>>believe.
>>
>>>>>will begin to notice that reality is
>>>>>something completely different than
>>>>>what you have been brainwashed to
>>>>>believe.
>>
>>>>>As soon as you fully see exactly what
>>>>>reality truly is, then you are
>>>>>enlightened.
>>
>>>>>reality truly is, then you are
>>>>>enlightened.
>>
>>>>>As soon as you fully integrate this
>>>>>realization into your being then
>>>>>consummation of incomparable
>>>>>enlightenment is complete.
>>
>>>>>realization into your being then
>>>>>consummation of incomparable
>>>>>enlightenment is complete.
>>
>>>>"What and what they think it, it
>>>>is otherwise".
>>
>>>>Tang Huyen
>>>>More quote terrorism, Tang-banger?
>>>>is otherwise".
>>
>>>>Tang Huyen
>>>>/l
>>
>>>"a clever phrase means nothing."
>>
>>>>voltaire
>>
>>Good ol' Voltaire....
>>
>>There's a lot of meaninglessness to go around. And a lot of clever
>>phrases.
>>
>>But that's just a correlation.
>>
>>/l
>>
>>=================================
>>
>>it was the irony of his
>>statement that i liked
>
>
> Well, that too. He was a master at irony.
>
> /l
And yet was no starched shirt.
i2i
Mar 28, 2012, 12:49:36 AM3/28/12
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"halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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shouldn't have spoken.
noname
Mar 28, 2012, 4:39:37 AM3/28/12
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noname
Mar 28, 2012, 5:01:44 AM3/28/12
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desires are satisfied.
noname
Mar 28, 2012, 5:02:29 AM3/28/12
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noname
Mar 28, 2012, 5:06:40 AM3/28/12
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LIKE is a game played for the satisfaction of desire.
It prevents liberation. Cling to it as though it was a boat anchor.
noname
Mar 28, 2012, 5:08:31 AM3/28/12
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real; that we think the manifestation is the reality is called maya by some.
web head
Mar 28, 2012, 6:10:07 AM3/28/12
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i'm charles dickens great great grandson.
what's your iq these days?
oxtail
Mar 28, 2012, 10:19:16 AM3/28/12
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Have you healed anyone yet?
--
oxtail
i2i
Mar 28, 2012, 10:43:15 AM3/28/12
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"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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peels to the bottoms of your
shoes ? jest wunderin...
Peter Olcott
Mar 28, 2012, 6:48:01 PM3/28/12
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enough to go on.
Peter Olcott
Mar 28, 2012, 6:49:15 PM3/28/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 28, 2012, 6:49:56 PM3/28/12
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Peter Olcott
Mar 28, 2012, 6:51:21 PM3/28/12
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