Fairy tales, or talking like mystics or psychics (was Re: End of Wiki)
Tang Huyen
Kitty P wrote:
> An insightful response Ned. Frankly, I've been amazed at the accuracy of
> most of the things that I've viewed on wiki that I've known anything about.
> Each time I thought something was hinky there was usually a wiki warning
> about the information.
>
> But I can see why you chose the slippery slope death view. From the very
> beginning when the internet was opened up to the general public through easy
> to use browsers, there has been the knowledge that two things would happen.
> The first is that sharing information as we knew it in the past would be
> accelerated to something we have never experienced before (which has
> happened) and the second is that we would probably not be able to trust all
> the information received (which one can find easily by tripping through any
> three blogs at random). Right now anyone can find something on the net that
> will support his/her crackpot theories. We all do it whether we're aware of
> it or not heh. Anyway - the almost organic unfolding of the technology and
> the human response to the technology is sometimes as horrible as it is
> fascinating at times - so your predictions could very well happen. But what
> if there was actually a different shift. One where people began demanding as
> accurate and unbiased information as was possible. Isn't that why wiki is
> saying its trying to do?
>
> I know I know - I'll go back to reading my fairie tales.
You can read my posts (however,watch
your cholesterol level).
Just in time, there is an Op-Ed piece in
the New York Times today, "Innocent
but Dead", by Bob Herbert.
<<There is a long and remarkable article
in the current New Yorker about a man
who was executed in Texas in 2004 for
deliberately setting a fire that killed his
three small children. Rigorous scientific
analysis has since shown that there was
no evidence that the fire in a one-story,
wood frame house in Corsicana was the
result of arson, as the authorities had
alleged.
In other words, it was an accident. No
crime had occurred.>>
<<He remained on death row for 12
years, but it was only in the weeks leading
up to his execution that convincing scientific
evidence of his innocence began to emerge.
A renowned scientist and arson investigator,
Gerald Hurst, educated at Cambridge and
widely recognized as a brilliant chemist,
reviewed the evidence in the Willingham
case and began systematically knocking
down every indication of arson.
The authorities were unmoved. Willingham
was executed by lethal injection on Feb.
17, 2004.
Now comes a report on the case from
another noted scientist, Craig Beyler,
who was hired by a special commission,
established by the state of Texas to
investigate errors and misconduct in the
handling of forensic evidence.
The report is devastating, the kind of
disclosure that should send a tremor
through one�s conscience. There was
absolutely no scientific basis for
determining that the fire was arson, said
Beyler. No basis at all. He added that
the state fire marshal who investigated
the case and testified against Willingham
�seems to be wholly without any realistic
understanding of fires.� He said the
marshal�s approach seemed to lack
�rational reasoning� and he likened it to
the practices �of mystics or psychics.�
Grann told me on Monday that when he
recently informed the jailhouse snitch,
Johnny Webb, that new scientific
evidence would show that the fire wasn�t
arson and that an innocent man had been
killed, Webb seemed taken aback.
�Nothing can save me now,� he said.>>
Tang Huyen
zenworm
Charles E Hardwidge
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> relax and be present
Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise yourself
into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the real deal? To
wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
wrote:
> "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
See for ‘yourself’
relax and be present
doing so…
do you find a smile amidst the scowls?
Enjoy!
ZN :D
^@%>---*=#**
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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zengerm is trying to reverse engineer
enlightenment but his toolbox is
locked.
Lee Rudolph
Just as well--otherwise he'd be liable for massive karma under the terms
of the Digital Millenium Enlightenment Act.
Lee Rudolph
zenworm
> "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in messagenews:PEUnm.75270$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >news:6fb1ea28-b05a-4584...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> relax and be present
>
> > Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise yourself
> > into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the real deal?
> > To
> > wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
>
> > --
> > Charles E Hardwidge
>
> zengerm is trying to reverse engineer
> enlightenment but his toolbox is
> locked.
Moment is all that is needed
relax and be present
ZN :D
Charles E Hardwidge
> On Sep 3, 3:43 pm, "^@%>---*=#**" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> messagenews:PEUnm.75270$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> > "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:6fb1ea28-b05a-4584...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> relax and be present
>>
>> > Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise
>> > yourself
>> > into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the real
>> > deal?
>> > To wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
>>
>> enlightenment but his toolbox is
>> locked.
>
> Moment is all that is needed
>
> relax and be present
Now you're just getting annoying.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
wrote:
> "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c952e601-6dc2-47bc...@y42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 3:43 pm, "^@%>---*=#**" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> >> messagenews:PEUnm.75270$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >> > "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:6fb1ea28-b05a-4584...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> relax and be present
>
> >> > Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise
> >> > yourself
> >> > into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the real
> >> > deal?
> >> > To wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
>
> >> zengerm is trying to reverse engineer
> >> enlightenment but his toolbox is
> >> locked.
>
> > Moment is all that is needed
>
> > relax and be present
>
> Now you're just getting annoying.
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
downgraded your scowl for a frown?
keep going!
a smile is forthcoming
^@%>---*=#**
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
long before now
Charles E Hardwidge
> On Sep 3, 4:38 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Now you're just getting annoying.
>
> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>
> keep going!
>
> a smile is forthcoming
>
> relax and be present
No. I would've just fucking shot you.
The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
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>
> "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:zPVnm.75301$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Now you're just getting annoying.
>
> long before now
Yeah, I can see that. I had a look.
Hmph.
In another time and place his next of kin would be wiping his blood and snot
off their faces and boots about now. I assume they'd get a certain amount of
ritual wailing and shrieking out of the way first. Shock and horror, and all
that. The lolling body would provide some amusement. The gaping mouth, wide
in death, and blood soaked clothes is a sudden and stark comment on life
much like modern art, but more transient. Golden sunsets and springing grass
would soon wipe it over as if he, or it, were never there. It's quite
melancholic just thinking about it. Hmmm, almost amusing.
Being a dark overlord has its compensations, I suppose.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
wrote:
"In another time and place..."
there you go lost in psychological time again
the architect of death and destruction arises
exercising fanciful delusion
distracting yourself from the Truth of This
anything but This Moment...
Déjà Flu
especially the "IMPORTANT" caps...
zenworm
the caps reveal the message in the message
did you miss it?
For Flu:
‘Truth This
This Moment’
zenworm
> "^@%>---*=#**" <yom...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:PEUnm.75270$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> >>news:6fb1ea28-b05a-4584...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> relax and be present
>
> >> Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise yourself
> >> into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the real deal?
> >> To
> >> wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
>
> >> --
> >> Charles E Hardwidge
>
> >zengerm is trying to reverse engineer
> >enlightenment but his toolbox is
> >locked.
>
> Just as well--otherwise he'd be liable for massive karma under the terms
> of the Digital Millenium Enlightenment Act.
>
> Lee Rudolph
hey! yer not gunna report me are ya?
ZN :D
halfawake
yippee! It's "Mirror Man!"
Mirror Man to the Rescue, in another new episode:
"Show up from nowhere before I crawl back there and attack whoever is
posting at the moment with a convoluted but harsh accusation."
Yay!
Robert
- - - - - - - - - - -
Charles E Hardwidge
news:h7ue63$5f5$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
Your comment is to mine as an ant is to the sun. Not in the same league.
Focus has it's own clarity. Tail-coat aspirants need not apply.
This means you.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
halfawake
Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
halfawake
scumbag.
Charles E Hardwidge
>>> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>>>
>>> keep going!
>>>
>>> a smile is forthcoming
>>>
>>> relax and be present
>>
>> No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>>
>> The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>
> Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
> He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
That's what they all say before they die screaming.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I can see that. I had a look.
>>
>> Hmph.
>>
>> In another time and place his next of kin would be wiping his blood and
>> snot off their faces and boots about now. I assume they'd get a certain
>> amount of ritual wailing and shrieking out of the way first. Shock and
>> horror, and all that. The lolling body would provide some amusement. The
>> gaping mouth, wide in death, and blood soaked clothes is a sudden and
>> stark comment on life much like modern art, but more transient. Golden
>> sunsets and springing grass would soon wipe it over as if he, or it, were
>> never there. It's quite melancholic just thinking about it. Hmmm, almost
>> amusing.
>>
>> Being a dark overlord has its compensations, I suppose.
>
> scumbag.
Creativity and irony have never been your string suits, Bob.
Tell me, Bob. What's it like being named after a cocksucker?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
> >news:a7bb9dea-bf7d-4922...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> On Sep 3, 4:38 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Now you're just getting annoying.
>
> >> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>
> >> keep going!
>
> >> a smile is forthcoming
>
> >> relax and be present
>
> > No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>
> > The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>
> Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
> He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
Do the math robert. Put two and two together. You don't answer my
questions because you *can't*. From that point on, just deal with
reality and you'll be fine :)
It's the comments like above which pave your road to hell, not
anything from me...
-
zenworm
wrote:
> "halfawake" <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:h7vmv7$e22$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
> >>> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>
> >>> keep going!
>
> >>> a smile is forthcoming
>
> >>> relax and be present
>
> >> No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>
> >> The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>
> > Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
> > He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
>
> That's what they all say before they die screaming.
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
Get in the game!
Tangs fall is eminent and your
nastiness has its part to play.
relaxing and being present
ZN :D
brian mitchell
>
>All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
>So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
>Get in the game!
>Tangs fall is eminent...
Eminent for sure, but is it going to happen any time soon?
Charles E Hardwidge
news:cdd8a559ebuig7ss6...@4ax.com...
I triggered a collapse of Tang's image a while ago.
My boot just connected with his stomach in another thread.
Crushing his head isn't a question of "if" but "when" and "how hard".
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Tang Huyen
brian mitchell wrote:
> zenworm:
My fall or crash is imminent, and lots of people
predict it, which implies that they read my mind
(or are aware of its working well and deeply
enough to make such a prediction), yet nobody
protests, either about their knowledge of my
mind (which is to some people impossible, though
you, Brian, have accepted it) or about the morality
of their meddling with my mental state (which is
to some people unspeakably vile and odious).
When I talk about somebody else's crash or
mental state, there are howls of protest.
In front of such (presumable) difference, I am
going to just relax and be serene.
Tang Huyen
zenworm
Tang is marshalling the forces against himself.
He clearly intends sooner rather than later.
zenworm
wrote:
> "brian mitchell" <brainm...@fishing.net> wrote in message
With your dark instincts you will know when.
If it works this will be your last kick at the cat.
This time there is no holding back.
Charles E Hardwidge
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>
> My fall or crash is imminent, and lots of people
> predict it, which implies that they read my mind
> (or are aware of its working well and deeply
> enough to make such a prediction), yet nobody
> protests, either about their knowledge of my
> mind (which is to some people impossible, though
> you, Brian, have accepted it) or about the morality
> of their meddling with my mental state (which is
> to some people unspeakably vile and odious).
> When I talk about somebody else's crash or
> mental state, there are howls of protest.
>
> In front of such (presumable) difference, I am
> going to just relax and be serene.
That's worn. The windy rhetoric and air of a closet homosexual who
disappears to throw a bitch fit and smash his face against the lavatory bowl
is an old one. How about writing something new that isn't the same tired
shit lifted from some old book you read?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
brian mitchell
<tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote:
>
>
>brian mitchell wrote:
>
>> zenworm:
>>
>> >All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
>> >So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
>> >Get in the game!
>> >Tangs fall is eminent...
>>
>> Eminent for sure, but is it going to happen any time soon?
>
>My fall or crash is imminent, and lots of people
>predict it, which implies that they read my mind
>(or are aware of its working well and deeply
>enough to make such a prediction), yet nobody
>protests, either about their knowledge of my
>mind (which is to some people impossible, though
>you, Brian, have accepted it) or about the morality
>of their meddling with my mental state (which is
>to some people unspeakably vile and odious).
>When I talk about somebody else's crash or
>mental state, there are howls of protest.
I was just indulging in some wordplay as a spellingnazi
(eminent/imminent), but I know from experience that empathic mind
reading is not only possible but can be consciously developed. Whether
it can be done in this medium, I'm not sure. What can be done here is
empathic word reading and what you seem to have missed is that zenworm
is using the term 'crash' in a different way than you use it; more
like crashing a barrier. Could be meddling, or perhaps flattery, or
perhaps he really sees something.
halfawake
there is no moron like the moron who thinks his arrogant vagueries are
expressions of intelligence. ignorance is truly bliss in your case - if
you don't mind the spittle running down your chin and into your panties.
Appledog
> >news:h7ue63$5f5$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
> >>>news:6fb1ea28-b05a-4584...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>> relax and be present
>
> >>> Is that some sort of affirmation you say to backwards rationalise
> >>> yourself into thinking you've got it and build group coherency, or the
> >>> real deal? To wit, are you a lying sonofabitch?
>
> >> yippee! It's "Mirror Man!"
>
> >> Mirror Man to the Rescue, in another new episode:
> >> "Show up from nowhere before I crawl back there and attack whoever is
> >> posting at the moment with a convoluted but harsh accusation."
>
> >> Yay!
>
> > Your comment is to mine as an ant is to the sun. Not in the same league.
>
> > Focus has it's own clarity. Tail-coat aspirants need not apply.
>
> > This means you.
>
> there is no moron like the moron who thinks his arrogant vagueries are
> expressions of intelligence. ignorance is truly bliss in your case - if
> you don't mind the spittle running down your chin and into your panties.
>
> Robert
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
Charles has afforded me a rare opportunity by his presence here
whereby I may ask you to stop insulting people, and having such people
not refer directly to myself.
Hopefully this will allow you to break the foolish notion that
everything I say must relate to my own sense of superiority above
others, and open your eyes to the truth that it is you yourself who is
being degraded, yourself making yourself lower (than me, or others) by
YOUR action of insulting people. So the perceived or implied
"superiority" is merely a result of your own lowering of yourself.
Maybe you hadn't noticed the absence of such a thing (most people
don't notice absences which have never been previously filled), but I
haven't been insulting to Charles - at least not recently. Do you
really feel you have to be so rude? Why not just relax and be serene?
-
luchayana superfly del pseudomodo
wrote:
> brian mitchell wrote:
> > zenworm:
>
> > >All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
> > >So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
> > >Get in the game!
> > >Tangs fall is eminent...
>
> > Eminent for sure, but is it going to happen any time soon?
>
> My fall or crash is imminent, and lots of people
> predict it, which implies that they read my mind
> (or are aware of its working well and deeply
> enough to make such a prediction), yet nobody
> protests, either about their knowledge of my
> mind (which is to some people impossible, though
> you, Brian, have accepted it) or about the morality
> of their meddling with my mental state (which is
> to some people unspeakably vile and odious).
> When I talk about somebody else's crash or
> mental state, there are howls of protest.
Hey-seus Xto, Tang, what have you done to these poor people?
Granted, you're a huge pain in the ass, but did you really piss down
on their parade from a lamppost?
Somehow I doubt you're that vulnerable although I suspect you could
play from a field of greater disinterest.
/leebert
luchayana superfly del pseudomodo
> Do you
> really feel you have to be so rude? Why not just relax and be serene?
Ahhh, usenet - where everyone gets to take out their assholes out for
a stroll.
It does cause a bother when the rude meter goes up, particularly as it
can't help but cross signals.
Is this person *defending* position "X" by attacking person "Y" ?
It takes *all* the fun out of playing.
Ron Fuller
news:QOXom.76423$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com:
over the years i have found that those persons who use
"homosexual" as an insult often have repressed tendencies
of which they are ashamed.
almost like the schoolboy calling a chum a "girl", as if
being a girl was a bad thing. (i don't remember any girls
in school calling another a "boy" with the same vehemence)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rfu...@freeway.net rfu...@cainsquestion.org
if you and the universe are going in the same direction
you will find that the whole world conspires for your
benefit.
luchayana superfly del pseudomodo
What have you been told about eminentizing the craschaton?
/leebert
zenworm
Tang has been pleading for assistance in facilitating his
crash and has been asking everyone to contribute what
they can to his downfall.
As you pointed out he plays from a broad field of potential
disinterest.
He will require the Grand Inquisitors skills to help close
those options for escape.
A collective effort may succeed.
To this end he has been running around poking everyone
and asking them to return the favour.
This then is the execution of his desire.
Tang Huyen
brian mitchell wrote:
> I was just indulging in some wordplay as a spellingnazi
> (eminent/imminent), but I know from experience that empathic mind
> reading is not only possible but can be consciously developed. Whether
> it can be done in this medium, I'm not sure. What can be done here is
> empathic word reading and what you seem to have missed is that zenworm
> is using the term 'crash' in a different way than you use it; more
> like crashing a barrier. Could be meddling, or perhaps flattery, or
> perhaps he really sees something.
I did notice zenworm's fluid use of words, especially
of buzzwords like "crash". Not only does he switch
meanings of words, but he also switches points of
view swiftly, shape-shifts like crazy, "on the fly" so
to speak, and that gives me some idea that he has
risen above the spiritual plebes like Renli/Appledog,
who are rigid and who stick to a single point of view.
If I try to locate the former, it's like looking at a fly
in the air: it buzzes in place for a few seconds here,
then without warning jumps to another place very
quickly, and keeps on with such sudden changes of
location (to avoid being hit or eaten), but with the
latter, firstly the fakery oozes out from all over, and
secondly it oozes out from a relatively fixed position,
regardless of changes in content, and not just within
some posts, but year after year, which is the main
reason for me to lose interest in him. (Fu with his
hyperliteralism goes even farther in rigidity, if that
is possible, and he divides himself into parts that
grab control serially, one by one, and when a part
is in control, its point of view is the only one in
play, it takes itself to be the only point of view
possible, and does not allow any alternative, so Fu
sounds incredibly closed-minded, rigid, and
dogmatic, but then another part grabs control and
pushes out the part that was in control, in random
order, though there is another part that is the exact
contrary to any part, for example the Christian part
that is in good faith and the anti-Christian part that
totally rebels against Christianity. However the two
parts that are exact mirror images of each other
tend to share much in common, as concave to
convex, and the militant anti-Christian part that
totally rebels against Christianity is shrilly
physicalist yet thinks magically, as with Gene
Roddenberry's ash falling from the sky but carrying
with it Gene's "godless" quality to stupefy Christians
who take Christ as their saviour, and the part of Fu
that is Christian of good faith falls into the class of
such unwitting recipients. The two parts differ in
content but share the same structure, here magical
thinking that Fu normally damns as "woo").
However zenworm, even whilst shapeshifting on
the fly, retains coherence and consistency, which
tells me that he has not lost control to his
constituent parts. There much grace in his
shapeshifting, something like "dancing", in contrast
to the ungainly appearance of Renli/Appledog's
rigidity (and the ugliness of Fu's disconnected,
disjoint "cinema" show with its punctual, atomistic
flahes of parts, a walking show of disjecta membra
splayed in all directions unredeemed by any
glimmer of self-consciousness).
I particularly noticed zenworm's saying:
<<Tang is marshalling the forces against himself.
He clearly intends sooner rather than later.>>
It plays on multiple registers, and is intentionally
rich in doubles entendres. His language tends to
swim in that oceanic multi-semantic swirl that is
however well-mastered. There seems to be little
weight to it, which is how he manages to
shapeshift so easily and swiftly. You remember
our friend the butterfly?
Tang Huyen
SG
wrote:
"Mostly porridge, but you may find the odd raisin" ~ excerpt from 'The
Truth About Tang's Posts'
SG
Lee Rudolph
>"Mostly porridge, but you may find the odd raisin" ~ excerpt from 'The
>Truth About Tang's Posts'
The raisins you may find scattered around Br'er Tang's briarpatch
are likely to be odd, indeed.
Lee Rudolph
Tang Huyen
Lee Rudolph wrote:
> SG:
>
> >"Mostly porridge, but you may find the odd
> >raisin" ~ excerpt from 'TheTruth About Tang's
> >Posts'
>
> The raisins you may find scattered around
> Br'er Tang's briarpatch are likely to be odd,
> indeed.
They are counterintuitive, dear.
Tang Huyen
Lee Rudolph
The heart has its raisins which raisins know not of.
Lee Rudolph
Tang Huyen
Lee Rudolph wrote:
> The heart has its raisins which raisins know not of.
Le coeur a des raisons, que la raison ne
conna�t point. Blaise Pascal.
The age-old conflict between reason and
faith was resolved for me (I never had it,
but it was resolved for me intellectually)
when I read negative theology recently
(as I said, I read it in a scattershot manner
previously, and only read it continuously
for some months recently), and it was
resolved because in negative theology God
is unknown and unknowable, and one has
faith in what one does not know (and
does not expect to know), walking in
darkness and nakedness of the mind,
leaving all knowledge behind and trusting
what one does not know. The trick here
is that one does not believe in any content
(such as the history of salvation) but has
faith, and this faith has no content (again,
such as the history of salvation). This is
the direct equivalent to Buddhist faith,
which is objectless and referenceless,
and is outside of chunking and bagging.
This faith does not capture anything, does
not expect anything, has no object, no
reference, no basis, nothing to base itself
on, but is just ... faith, in total nakedness.
Reason is quiesced, thinking is quiesced,
when this faith is in act (and indeed when
it is in act, it does not do anything, does
not know anything). It enjoys peace and
serenity, though it does not chunk and bag
them as such, namely as peace and
serenity, or as anything else. It is
just ... peace in act and serenity in act.
Which is how it resolves all conflict, and
not just the conflict between reason and
faith.
A fairy tale, or talking like mystics or
psychics, eh?
Tang Huyen
zenworm
wrote:
> Lee Rudolph wrote:
> > The heart has its raisins which raisins know not of.
>
> Le coeur a des raisons, que la raison ne
Moment without resistance
Charles E Hardwidge
Long version: Tang is dazzled by idealisms but his gutless cowardice and
increasing exhaustion has made his habit patterns describe tighter and
deeper circles. Notice the lack of creativity and social skills. It's a dead
giveaway for the burned out Comic Book Guy.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
SG
wrote:
> The age-old conflict between reason and
Believer's existentialism: better than "I can fly! I can fly!"...
SG
zenworm
being here
halfawake
> "halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:h7vmv7$e22$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>> "zenworm" <zens...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>>> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>>>>
>>>> keep going!
>>>>
>>>> a smile is forthcoming
>>>>
>>>> relax and be present
>>>
>>>
>>> No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>>>
>>> The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>>
>>
>> Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
>> He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
>
>
> That's what they all say before they die screaming.
>
okay, so you're violent too. great. let's see, so far we've got:
'No. I would have just fucking shot you'
and
'That's what they all say before they die screaming.'
That kind of threatening speech, whether meant to intimidate or to
actually threaten, is over the line. Don't repeat it.
halfawake
> "halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:h7vn44$e22$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I can see that. I had a look.
>>>
>>> Hmph.
>>>
>>> In another time and place his next of kin would be wiping his blood and
>>> snot off their faces and boots about now. I assume they'd get a certain
>>> amount of ritual wailing and shrieking out of the way first. Shock and
>>> horror, and all that. The lolling body would provide some amusement. The
>>> gaping mouth, wide in death, and blood soaked clothes is a sudden and
>>> stark comment on life much like modern art, but more transient. Golden
>>> sunsets and springing grass would soon wipe it over as if he, or it,
>>> were
>>> never there. It's quite melancholic just thinking about it. Hmmm, almost
>>> amusing.
>>>
>>> Being a dark overlord has its compensations, I suppose.
>>
>>
>> scumbag.
>
>
> Creativity and irony have never been your string suits, Bob.
>
> Tell me, Bob. What's it like being named after a cocksucker?
>
I don't know, Hard witch, what's it like being an actual asshole?
Robert
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halfawake
> On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, halfawake <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>>"zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a7bb9dea-bf7d-4922...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>On Sep 3, 4:38 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>Now you're just getting annoying.
>>
>>>>downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>>
>>>>keep going!
>>
>>>>a smile is forthcoming
>>
>>>>relax and be present
>>
>>>No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>>
>>>The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>>
>>Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
>>He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
>
>
> Do the math robert. Put two and two together. You don't answer my
> questions because you *can't*. From that point on, just deal with
> reality and you'll be fine :)
>
> It's the comments like above which pave your road to hell, not
> anything from me...
>
> -
God, people have such big fat pronouncements around here. 'the road to
hell,' 'die screaming,' etc. I guess it's easy to throw words around
when you are in a venue in which control and proportionality are voluntary.
The problem is that like any form of inflation, if you keep spouting
blown-up self-promoting statements, their value quickly diminishes,
until they are bound to be dismissed or ignored. What can you do to
give them greater density at that point? You'd have to cut back on the
rhetoric, and use words to say something that is not only meaningful but
pertinent, not just to you, but to your desired audience.
luchayana superfly del pseudomodo
Yeh, Chucky here has been having a rough ride as of late. Never read
the bit about what happens when the Little Engine goes off its rails
and if the toys try to get him back on track whether he chuck-o-matics
them with his driving wheels......
/leebert
luchayana superfly del pseudomodo
> >news:h7vmv7$e22$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
>
> >>>> downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>
> >>>> keep going!
>
> >>>> a smile is forthcoming
>
> >>>> relax and be present
>
> >>> No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>
> >>> The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>
> >> Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
> >> He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
>
> > That's what they all say before they die screaming.
>
> okay, so you're violent too. great. let's see, so far we've got:
>
> 'No. I would have just fucking shot you'
>
> and
>
> 'That's what they all say before they die screaming.'
>
> That kind of threatening speech, whether meant to intimidate or to
> actually threaten, is over the line. Don't repeat it.
>
Ahhh, usenet.
I was taking that sh** from that boy/Mort sock puppet.
WTF? Somebody put some bad sh** in the koolaid again?
/leebert
halfawake
> "brian mitchell" <brai...@fishing.net> wrote in message
> news:cdd8a559ebuig7ss6...@4ax.com...
>
>> zenworm wrote:
>>
>>> All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
>>> So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
>>> Get in the game!
>>> Tangs fall is eminent...
>>
>>
>> Eminent for sure, but is it going to happen any time soon?
>
>
> I triggered a collapse of Tang's image a while ago.
>
> My boot just connected with his stomach in another thread.
>
> Crushing his head isn't a question of "if" but "when" and "how hard".
>
your violent expressions are extremely offensive.
such threatening language is in a different category than any other form
of speech, argumentative, insulting or otherwise.
talk of crushing people's heads, people dying screaming, etc., have no
place in a public forum. Cut it out.
it can be taken as language that is actually threatening
and is probably illegal as well.
robert
= = = = = = = =
halfawake
>
> brian mitchell wrote:
>
>
>>zenworm:
>>
>>
>>>All your bullshit 'craft' and Tang stands impervious.
>>>So now you skulk the sidelines for easier prey?
>>>Get in the game!
>>>Tangs fall is eminent...
>>
>>Eminent for sure, but is it going to happen any time soon?
>
>
> My fall or crash is imminent, and lots of people
> predict it, which implies that they read my mind
> (or are aware of its working well and deeply
> enough to make such a prediction), yet nobody
> protests, either about their knowledge of my
> mind (which is to some people impossible, though
> you, Brian, have accepted it) or about the morality
> of their meddling with my mental state (which is
> to some people unspeakably vile and odious).
> When I talk about somebody else's crash or
> mental state, there are howls of protest.
>
> In front of such (presumable) difference, I am
> going to just relax and be serene.
>
> Tang Huyen
>
you've already crashed, Tang.
It was spectacular,
painful,
spread out your guts so that you could finally see them
in the full glory of living technicolor.
It happened alone, far away from these boards.
nothing ever takes place here,
nothing.
You lived through it and returned, changed
but not chastened to the point of giving up,
and now you observe others
to try to figure out what is represented by the human condition.
Robert
halfawake
The windy rhetoric and air of a closet homosexual who
> disappears to throw a bitch fit and smash his face against the lavatory
> bowl
cut out the violent speech
directed towards others.
now.
Appledog
Good post :)
-
halfawake
you have never recognized or acknowleded, and probably never will, and
are probably incapable of doing so, the insidious, insulting, arrogant
violence that is done to others by the attitude of implied, insinuated
and underhandedly expressed superiority, dismissiveness and diminishment
of others that you partake of every time you write in an underhanded
way, and which Charles indulges in a more open and sadistic masturbatory
fashion. you probably will not acknowledge how much more insulting,
degrading and violent such an attitude is than any nasty insulting
language that I can muster up in my Brooklyn speech which is at least
open and honest in its annoyance and accusation. you don't have the
slightest notion of what an offensive prick you are. This is not an
insult, it's a serious attempt to get you to shut the fuck up with your
vain and superfluous pronouncements of superiority and putting down of
others so that they, if they accept your implied message, would crawl
away like worms on their bellies or bow to you with some of sort of
knowledge that is supposed to exist in the vacancy of your obnoxiously
ignorant words. Your grand egoity, built on a bed of infantile
insecurity, is damaging to those who are gullible enough to digest it.
You should be encouraged to shut up and crawl away, rather than keep
injecting your disguised venom into other people's lives.
Why don't you relax and get lost?
Robert
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Charles E Hardwidge
Are you for real?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
> your violent expressions are extremely offensive.
> such threatening language is in a different category than any other form
> of speech, argumentative, insulting or otherwise.
> talk of crushing people's heads, people dying screaming, etc., have no
> place in a public forum. Cut it out.
>
> it can be taken as language that is actually threatening
> and is probably illegal as well.
Violence has a simplicity and purity of its own, and cuts through the
bullshit of a rigged system. That's what you don't like.
You never were one of the big boys Bob. Deal with it.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
oxtail
> Believer's existentialism: better than "I can fly! I can fly!"...
How about "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!"?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> On Sep 7, 10:43 pm, SG <sguen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Believer's existentialism: better than "I can fly! I can fly!"...
>>
>
> being here
>
> relaxing and being present
> ZN :D
Still trying to clap with one hand?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> your violent expressions are extremely offensive.
>> such threatening language is in a different category than any other form
>> of speech, argumentative, insulting or otherwise.
>> talk of crushing people's heads, people dying screaming, etc., have no
>> place in a public forum. Cut it out.
>>
>> it can be taken as language that is actually threatening
>> and is probably illegal as well.
>
> Violence has a simplicity and purity of its own, and cuts through the
> bullshit of a rigged system. That's what you don't like.
>
> You never were one of the big boys Bob. Deal with it.
Is that why you are still in jail?
--
oxtail
Charles E Hardwidge
news:4aa66f55$0$26550$ce5e...@news-radius.ptd.net...
>
> Is that why you are still in jail?
That's not worth a response.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
are you my other hand?
Lee Rudolph
>Still trying to clap with one hand?
Y'know, I have never understood that. (And, yeah, yeah, understanding
it isn't the point, etc., etc.) My fingers are not extraordinarily
long (either in absolute terms nor relative to the length of my palm)
nor extraordinarily supple (particularly not at their proximal joints,
which are if anything rather arthritic), yet I have never in the 50-odd
years since first being exposed to this challenge (yeah, yeah, it isn't
a challenge, etc., etc.) had any difficulty in making a sound by clapping
a single hand. It's not the *loudest* of sounds, but it has the timbre
of fingers hitting a palm, and a fairly sharp attack.
Does the Japanese for "clap" presuppose palm-to-palm contact? Surely
a society so filled with etiquette must use the full range of clapping
techniques known to crude Occidental audiences, including the "dominant
hand's fingers strike opposite palm firmly" that motion pictures of a
certain vintage suggest is appropriate to minor royalty when amused
but not excited?
Lee Rudolph (when that's settled, let's deal with these people
jumping around crying out "I can flies! I can flies!")
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxtail@empty> wrote in message
> news:4aa66f55$0$26550$ce5e...@news-radius.ptd.net...
>>
>> Is that why you are still in jail?
>
> That's not worth a response.
Of your own making?
--
oxtail
zenworm
wrote:
> "halfawake" <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The purity of your violence
is like a refreshing wind blowing away the stink of zen.
oxtail
> are you my other hand?
> relaxing and being present
> ZN :D
Clapping with the dick?
--
oxtail
oxtail
Trying to clap with one foot?
--
oxtail
zenworm
With your hand clapped over your mouth say “zen”
Keynes
Well of course.
Save 'em for winter.
Keynes
Cheesy Chuck has a stink all his own.
He's butt plugged past the ears.
zenworm
Nobody in Particular
> "oxtail" <oxtail@empty> wrote in message
> news:4aa66f55$0$26550$ce5e...@news-radius.ptd.net...
>>
>> Is that why you are still in jail?
>
> That's not worth a response.
Interesting response.
^@%>---*=#**
"Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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chucky is the knee-jerk queen
^@%>---*=#**
"zenworm" <zens...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>relaxing and being present
>ZN :D
if you repeat that often
enough even you will
tend to believe it.
Déjà Flu
"knee" ???
Déjà Flu
Tao of Tang?
^@%>---*=#**
"Dￜjￜ Flu" <cha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hPadnXL0391GRzvX...@posted.toastnet...
between thigh and ankle.
you must have a couple of
them yourself. go check,
i'll wait.
^@%>---*=#**
i didn't know that an astronaut
drink could even have a tao.
Déjà Flu
femur and tibia, if you must know.
one. the other's rented from GE.
why are you in such a bitchy mood?
zenworm
> "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
do you believe?
Déjà Flu
That's a stumperism, banana head. You can
do better than that old bot-rule crap.
C'mon. You're not even trying.
Tang could have taken that, played it into
early Xian mysticism, added a few pages of
Hindu/Buddhist text, accused me of being a
Druid, and wound up with Hegelian relativism
with a few excerpts from Thomas Cleary.
This shit takes PRACTICE, my man!
SG
Make up your mind. Belief or unbelief?
SG
SG
> >>> chucky is the knee-jerk queen
>
> >> "knee" ???
>
> > between thigh and ankle.
> > you must have a couple of
> > them yourself. go check,
> > i'll wait.
>
> femur and tibia, if you must know.
> one. the other's rented from GE.
> why are you in such a bitchy mood?
I howled. Give him points, pls.
SG
oxtail
> With your hand clapped over your mouth say “zen”
> relaxing and being present
> ZN :D
Do you tell yourself
do this and do that, a lot?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> Make up your mind. Belief or unbelief?
Same thing.
--
oxtail
SG
LMAO
SG
Allen Barker
Then there's the line about, "if you choose not to
decide, you still have made a choice!" ;-)
zenworm
trust...
zenworm
are you listening?
Déjà Flu
I suppose a democratic vote is out of the question?
oxtail
> are you listening?
> relaxing and being present
> ZN :D
No, just relaxed and absent.
--
oxtail
Déjà Flu
...et al....
> relaxing and being present
> ZN :D
Well, STOP IT, zen!
If not for this silly-assed advertisement,
you might be saying something useful. Would
you rather be considered like the rest of
these nimrods? Or do You Want to be SPECIAL?
Jesus H. Christ, private Pyle, I think you've
got a hard on!
Déjà Flu
> zenworm wrote:
>
>> On Sep 8, 8:47ￜ pm, oxtail <oxtail@empty> wrote:
>>> zenworm wrote:
>>>>> zenworm wrote:
>>>>>>> zenworm wrote:
>>>>>>>>> fly!"...
>>>>>>>> being here
>>>>>>>> relaxing and being present
>>>>>>> Still trying to clap with one hand?
>>>>>> are you my other hand?
>>>>>> relaxing and being present
>>>>> Clapping with the dick?
>>>> With your hand clapped over your mouth say “zenￜ?
>>>> relaxing and being present
>>>> ZN ￜ :D
>>> Do you tell yourself
>>> do this and do that, a lot?
>>>
>> are you listening?
>> relaxing and being present
>> ZN :D
>
>
> No, just relaxed and absent.
How about that bad sequencing?
Nobody in Particular
Just relax and be present!
zenworm
abyss
zenworm
LMAO!
nice
halfawake
> On Sep 8, 3:12 am, halfawake <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>>"halfawake" <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:h7vmv7$e22$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>>>Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>>>>"zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>downgraded your scowl for a frown?
>>
>>>>>>keep going!
>>
>>>>>>a smile is forthcoming
>>
>>>>>>relax and be present
>>
>>>>>No. I would've just fucking shot you.
>>
>>>>>The Kum-Ba-Ya strategy is a neat trick but means nothing.
>>
>>>>Glad I never got around to giving Appledog the Arrogance award.
>>>>He doesn't come close to being as much of a scumbag as you.
>>
>>>That's what they all say before they die screaming.
>>
>>okay, so you're violent too. great. let's see, so far we've got:
>>
>>'No. I would have just fucking shot you'
>>
>>and
>>
>>'That's what they all say before they die screaming.'
>>
>>That kind of threatening speech, whether meant to intimidate or to
>>actually threaten, is over the line. Don't repeat it.
>>
>
>
> Ahhh, usenet.
>
> I was taking that sh** from that boy/Mort sock puppet.
>
> WTF? Somebody put some bad sh** in the koolaid again?
>
> /leebert
too much koolaid spoils the broth. I think it's more quantity than quality.
Robert
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