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junoexpress

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Jan 27, 2005, 6:19:02 PM1/27/05
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Hi,

I am considering relocating to Oxford, OH (near Miami University). I am
looking for a group practicing Buddhism in the area and wonder if
anyone might know if there is such a group. I've gone online and found
some sites that give the location of various Buddhist groups in the
USA, but none in this area.

TIA,

Juno

Sid

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Jan 27, 2005, 6:28:51 PM1/27/05
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junoexpress wrote:

Learn to google, but:

Where ever you are,
just be right there.

junoexpress

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Jan 27, 2005, 8:48:16 PM1/27/05
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I've done a lot of searches online, but as someone as smart as you
surely knows, there are small groups not always advertised or that are
hard to find online.
Do you have any useful info for me?

Thanks for playing,

J

Peter Holmgren

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"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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Here you go. A list. As far as I can see there's noone in the area
requested. There was one SGI, but I erased it from the list. They are more
'buddhist inspired' than 'buddhist'. That goes for the whole line of modern
Nichiren school.
Bodhi Buddhist Association of Columbus [BBAC]
5208 Dierker Rpad, Columbus, OH 43220
Tel: (614) 326-3871
Email: changchienni@yahoo.[com]
Web site: www.columbusbuddhist.org
Tradition: Open
Affiliation: Bodhi Monastery, Chuang Yen Monastery

Buddhist Cincinnati
4011 Allston Street, Cincinnati, OH 45209
Tradition: Theravada Interdenominational Education Center
Spiritual Director: Bhante Gunaratana
Contact: Carol Tyler or Todd Brown

Chua Vien Quang Temple
5305 Franklin Blvd, Cleveland, OH 44102
Contact: Le Nguyen
Tel: (216) 631-3769 home, (216) 664 2319 work
Affiliation: Vietnamese Buddhist Association
Tradition: Mahayana, Ch'an

Cincinnati Karma Kagyu
2910 Kling Avenue, Cincinnati. OH 45211
Contact: James Foster
Tel: (513) 238.4639
Email: James.Foster@cincinnati-kagyu.[org]
Web site: www.cincinnati-kagyu.org
Tradition: Tibetan, Karma Kagyu

Cincinnati Middle Way
569 Wilkinson Street, Cincinnati, OH 45206
Contact: Morgan Williams
Tel: (513) 730-3030
Email: mockwilliams@yahoo.[com]
Web site: www.Cincinnatimiddleway.org
Tradition: Tibetan: Gelugpa
Affiliation: Asian Classics Institute
Spiritual Director: Geshe Michael Roach

Cincinnati Shambhala Meditation Group
4120 Hamilton Avenue, The Maitri Center, Cincinnati, OH 45223
Contact: Laura and Holger Thams
Tel: (513) 541-9007
Email: csmg@fuse.[com]
Tradition: Shambhala, Tibetan Kagyü, Ningma
Affiliation: Shambhala International
Teacher: Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche

Cincinnati Zen Center
4011 Allston Street, Cincinnati OH 45209
Tel: (513) 684-4216
Email: CZC@fuse.[net]
Web site: www.cincinnatizencenter.org
Tradition: Kwan Um School of Zen
Affiliation: Furnace Mountain Sangha
Spiritual Director: Zen Master Dae Gak
Teachers: Mark Davis (Abbot) & Fran Turner (Abbess Emeritus)

City of Peace Sangha
Contact: Robert L. Guehl
217 N. Lincoln Avenue Salem, OH 44460
Contact: (330) 337-8235
Tradition: Zen Buddhist Master Thich Nhat Hahn
Affiliation: Community of Mindful Living

CloudWater Zendo
11436 Puritas Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio 44135
Tel: (216) 889-1393
Email: yingfa@cloudwater.[org]
Web site: www.cloudwater.org
Tradition: Ch'an and Pure Land
Affiliation: Dragon Flower Ch'an Temples
Spiritual Director: Ven. Shih Ying-Fa

Cleveland Shambhala Meditation Group
c/o Fred Schwieg
2705 Gibson Drive, Rock River, OH 44116
Tel: (216) 229-8264
Email: clevelandshambhala@cox.[net]
Web site: www.shambhala.org/center/cleveland
Founder: Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche
Tradition: Tibetan, Kagyü
Director: Fred P. Schwieg

The Cleveland Zazen Group
1824 Wilton Road, Cleveland Heights, OH 44118
Contact: Susan and Larry Rakow
Tel: (216) 932-3084
Email: s...@bw.beachwood.k12.oh.[us]
Tradition: Mixed Rinzai and Soto Zen

Columbus Karma Thegsum Choling
231 S. Grubb Street, Columbus, OH 43215
Tel: (614) 228-6546
Email: cajackson@earthlink.[net]
Web site: www.columbusktc.org
Tradition: Tibetan, Karma Kagyu
Affiliation: Karma Triyana Dharmachakra, Woodstock, NY
Spiritual Director: Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche, KTD, Woodstock NY
Resident Teacher: Lama Kathy Wesley
Contact: Cathy Jackson (Director)

Dayton, Ohio Miami Valley Meditation at SKH Quest Center
6263 Far HIlls Avenue at Whipp Road, Dayton, OH 45459
Tel: (937) 436-9990
Email: meditation@mvmeditation.[org]
Web site: www.mvmeditation.org
Tradition: Japanese Tendai and Tibetan Sakya vajrayana traditions
Affiliation: Tendai Mitsugon-An and Vikramasila Palden Sakya Centers
Spiritual Director: An-shu Stephen K. Hayes

Dharma Center of Cincinnati
P.O. Box 23307, Cincinnati, OH 45223
Tel: (513) 281-6453
Tradition: Zen / Vipassana

Dharma Drum Mountain - Ohio
Contact: Terrisa Lee
1537 Renwood Drive, Wooster, OH 44691
Tel/Fax: (H) (330) 263-1855
Email: tylee1537@aol.[com]
Director: Ven. Master Sheng -Yeng
Tradition: Chinese Ch'an (Zen)

Eastside Sangha
Meeting at Grailville Oratory every Tuesday
932 O'Bannonville Road, Loveland, OH 45140
Contact: Marty Davis: tel: (513) 753.0378
or Gary Sabourin: tel: (513) 943.9369
Email: esangha@fuse.[net]
Web site: www.eastsidesangha.org
Tradition: Vipassana, Thich Nhat Hanh
Affiliation: Community of Mindful Living

Gaden Samdup Ling Monastery
3360 Bishop Street, Cincinnati, OH 45220
Contact: Jackie Young
Tel: (513) 235-3425
Email: drangden@yahoo.[com]
Web site: www.ganden.org
Tradition: Tibetan, Gelugpa
Affiliation: Dogam Gaden Tensung Ling Monastery
Spiritual Director: Ven. Geshe Lobsang Sopa

Gar Drolma Choling Dharma Center
P.O. Box 95 Yellow Springs, Dayton, OH 45387
Tel: (37) 767-8708
Email: info@gardrolma.[org]
Web site: www.gardrolma.org
Tradition: Tibetan, Drikung Kagyu lineage
Spiritual Director: His Eminence Garchen Rinpoche
Teacher: His Eminence Garchen Rinpoche, Khenpo Sherab Oser
Contact: Ellen Lauricella or Naomi Bloom

Insight Meditation of Cleveland
1878 Temblehurst Road, South Euclid, OH 44121
Contact: Paul Gellman
Tel: (216) 691-0711
Email: paulgellman@aol.[com]
Tradition: Theravada Vipassana

Jewel Heart Cleveland Center
13938A Cedar Road, Box 283, University Heights, OH 44118
Tel: (216) 556-4858
Email: CleveJH@aol.[com]
Web site: www.jewelheart.org
Tradition: Tibetan, Gelugpa

Jijuyu-ji Zen Group of Cleveland
24365 Oak Hill Drive, Euclid, OH 44117
Contact: Dean Williams
Tel: (440) 446-1142
Email: dmwilliams@repwest.[com]
Web site: www.members.cox.net/jijuyuji
Tradition: Soto Zen
Affiliation: Udumbara Zen Center (Evanston, IL)
Teacher: Sojun Diane Martin

Kent Zendo
715 Franklin Avenue, Kent, OH 44240
Tel: (330) 673-6529
Tradition: Soto Zen
Teacher: Tim McCarthy

Mila Retreat Center
279 Sheely Road, Frankfort, OH 45628
Contact: Pam Free
Tel: (740) 998-6958
Email: mila@bright.[net]
Tradition: Tibetan Buddhism

Mindfulness Meditation of Columbus
Mondays: 870 High Street, suite 14 Worthington OH 43085
Thursdays: 1320 Cambridge Boulevard, Annex Room 105
Contacts:
Monday Group: Patricia Bright (614) 841-1908
Thursday Group: Jim Dunn (614) 291-7630
Emails: pbright3@aol.[com] and mmocohio@earthlink.[net]
Web site: www.geocities.com/mindfulnesscolumbus
Tradition: Vipassana meditation

Ohio Buddhist Vihara
1831 Miles Road, Cincinnati, OH 45231
Tel: (513) 825-4961, Fax: (513) 825-1638
Email: ohiobuddhistvihara@hotmail.[com]
Web site: www.ohiovihara.org
Tradition: Theravada
Chief Abbot: Ven. Koppakande Sumanajothi
Vice Abbot: Ven. Aluthgama Chandananda
Secretary: Ven. Dapane Sirisumana
Meditation Teacher: Ven. Daiun Iba

Openway Sangha - Buddhist Dharma Center of Cincinnati
P.O. Box 23307 Cincinnati, OH 45223-0307
Contact: Bonnie Beverage
Tel: (513) 541-1650
Email: info@cincinnatidharma.[org]
Web site: www.cincinnatidharma.org
Tradition: Vipassana meditation

Palyul Changchub Dargyeling, Ohio
P.O. Box 154 Chagrin Falls, OH 44022
Tel: (440) 247-9490, Fax: 247-9438
Email: paly...@aol.com
Web site: www.palyulohio.[org]
Teacher: Ven. Penor Rinpoche
Tradition: Tibetan, Nyingmapa, Palyul Lineage

Phat Bao Tu - Buddhist Temple
2701 Robertson Avenue, Cincinnati, OH 45212
Tradition: Mahayana, Vietnamese

Shambhala Meditation Group of Columbus
4495 Indianola Avenue, OH 43214
Contact:
Roberta: (614) 226.4797 robertacanfield@msn.[com ]
Larry: (614) 338.1112 neckdoc@beol.[net]
Web site: www.shambhala.org/centers/columbus
Tradition: Shambhala, Tibetan Kagyü, Ningma
Affiliation: Shambhala International
Spiritual Director: Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche
Co-ordinators: Stan Keely & Tisa McGraw

Toledo Buddhist Sangha
3438 Brantford, Toledo, OH 43606
Tel: (419) 536-4785
Email: ljackson@toledobuddhistsangha.[org]
Web site: www.toledobuddhistsangha.org
Tradition: Zen and Vipassana
Affiliation: Ann Arbor Zen Buddhist Temple and Deep Spring Center
Spiritual Director: Haju Sunim and Barbara Brodsky
Teacher: Ilsang Laurie Jackson

True Names Sangha
Contact: Karen McCann
7910 Larkspur Lane, Chagrin Fall, OH 44022
Tel: (440) 338-1970, Fax: (440)338-5501
Email: mccann@macconnect.[com]
Tradition: Zen Buddhist Master Thich Nhat Hahn
Affiliation: Community of Mindful Living

Wat Buddha Mongkol Bhavana
7575 Taylorsville Road, Huber Heights OH 45424
Tel: (937) 237-0378
Email: samakng@yahoo.[com]
Web site: www.ohiobuddhist.org
Contact: Ven. Samak Ngamsaeng
Tradition: Thervada, Thai and Lao
Spiritual Director: Ven. Samak Ngamsaeng

Wat Lao Buddhamamakaram
3624 Bexvie Avenue, Columbus OH 43227
Tel: (614) 231-9555
Tradition: Theravada, Laotian
Contact: Bhante Thavorn

Yellow Springs Dharma Center
502 Livermore Street, Yellow Springs, OH 45387
Email: msteries@aol.[com]
Web site: www.ysdharma.org
Tradition: Mixed - Vipassana, Zen and Tibetan

Zen Columbus Sangha
Mailing: 5174 Sharps Ct., Westerville OH 43081
Email: flemingms@hotmail.[com] (include "Zen" in the subject line)
Web site: worldwidehideout.com/zen
Tradition: Soto/Rinzai Zen
Affiliation: Diamond Sangha
Spiritual Director: Daniel Terragno

Zen Shin Sangha Cleveland Buddhist Temple
1573 East 214th Street, Euclid, OH 44117
Tel: (216) 692-1509
Tradition: Zen Buddhist

--
Metta

Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."


Evelyn Ruut

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Jan 28, 2005, 8:00:47 AM1/28/05
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"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Hi Juno,

Please check out both of these links, which have lists of buddhist centers
all over.

http://www.kagyu.org

http://www.fpmt.org

Good luck, I hope you find one near you.
--
Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")


Evelyn Ruut

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Jan 28, 2005, 8:03:04 AM1/28/05
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Wonderful list below! I can personally vouch for the Kagyu center.... Lama
Kathy Wesley teaches there. You couldn't do better.

--
Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

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junoexpress

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Jan 28, 2005, 8:55:32 AM1/28/05
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Unfortunatey, there are no sites near Oxford (just Cincinnati and
Dayton, both of which are somehwat far away). Thank you to everyone who
responded though: I really appreciated it. It was important for me
because I've just got into Buddhism and would like to seriously
practice it. Being new to Buddhism, I had thought being near a Buddhist
center would be a good way to learn more about Buddhism and to maintain
my focus. Although this job offer in Oxford is really great, I think I
might turn it down for this reason.

Best Wishes,
Juno

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 10:18:59 AM1/28/05
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:03:04 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

>Wonderful list below! I can personally vouch for the Kagyu center.... Lama
>Kathy Wesley teaches there. You couldn't do better.

Excuse me TRB is a scholarly publication devoted
to the teachings of Buddha.

Tout your tickets for the House of Horrors outside,
perhaps on one of the commercial publications,
like ARBT.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 10:26:29 AM1/28/05
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Since you have repeated sought information to no avail,
and in this day and age it is not necessary to sacrifice your career
to practice Buddhism, I suggest you contact WWW.SGI.USA
who will be able to introduce you to practicioners in virtually
every community in the USA.

Thank you.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 10:32:09 AM1/28/05
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:00:47 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

>"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>news:1106867942....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am considering relocating to Oxford, OH (near Miami University). I am
>> looking for a group practicing Buddhism in the area and wonder if
>> anyone might know if there is such a group. I've gone online and found
>> some sites that give the location of various Buddhist groups in the
>> USA, but none in this area.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Juno
>
>
>
>Hi Juno,
>
>Please check out both of these links, which have lists of buddhist centers
>all over.

snip. adverts.

Excuse me...

TRB is the treasury of the Buddha dharma.

It is a publication for serious scholarly discussion of Buddhism.

Please tout your tickets for the House of Horrors on ARBT.

Not only will this maintain TRB's integrity,
but you may find more buyers.

Lee Dillion

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Jan 28, 2005, 10:37:59 AM1/28/05
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Juno, I could also give you the contact info for the local Mormon
missionaries and the Jehovah's Witness reps. All tend to be very
pleasant people who have their own heart-felt narrative they are willing
to share.

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Jan 28, 2005, 10:58:05 AM1/28/05
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Lee Dillion a écrit :

Lee is right. And I wouldn't only focus on their teaching and practice
methods, but also on the decoration of their community centre, the
facilities, the comfort of the seats, the food and drinks they serve,
the cost thereof, the cost of their respective accessoires,
accoutrements and uniforms, do they accept credit or not, the charm and
beauty of your male and female co-members etc. etc. Because you may have
to spend quite some time there and the importance of these things tends
to be underestimated.

Julianlzb87

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Excuse me... I do not think Juno is interested in your predilections.
The enquiry was about the Buddhism that could be practiced without
the sacrifice of ones career.

Juno will correct me, I hope, if I am mistaken.

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Jan 28, 2005, 11:36:01 AM1/28/05
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If only the Buddha had known about this... He would have been a great king.

reminder:
hinayana, small career
mahayana, big career
vajrayana, fulminating career

junoexpress

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Jan 28, 2005, 11:44:36 AM1/28/05
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You are correct. I probably can commute to either Dayton or Cincinnati
(they aren't that far away, but it's a pain when you have a lot of
other obligations...). However, I have an offer also in Akron, which
does have a good center nearby (in Kent) and two other local groups in
Akron itself. But, the job offer in Akron is not as good as Oxford, so
I have to balance the good with the good.
I guess right now I feel the need for guidance. I've read a couple of
books on Buddhism, but I don't know much about meditation. I can see
where a group would be helpful to me in this respect. I also would like
to have a "teacher" to whom I could direct questions. From what I have
read, the choice of a center with a good "teacher" is central to one's
development. Retreats sound like something that people do much less
frequently, so I don't worry about travelling to do a retreat so much.
My guess is that I will probably visit some centers in these areas (if
it is allowed) and see for myself. I trust my intuition and I think I
will be able to tell if I find I place with which there is some
resonance.
Of course, I say all this not having much real experience,,just going
on what seems intuitively true and from what I have read of others
experiences.
Any words of guidance or correction in my approach/way of thinking are
always welcome.

Best,

Juno

junoexpress

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Jan 28, 2005, 11:53:47 AM1/28/05
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Life is such a blessing. Moments that I am particularly thankful for
are those where I forget a truth that someone else is kind enough to
remind you of. In this case, you were kind enough to remind me of the
old saying that it is better to keep one's silence and allow another to
think you are a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Thank you,

J

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 11:58:49 AM1/28/05
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To be a great King one needs a great nation.

King Asoka attained to that path.

>reminder:
>hinayana, small career
>mahayana, big career
>vajrayana, fulminating career

Fulminate

• verb 1 express vehement protest.
2 literary explode violently or flash like lightning.
3 (of a disease or symptom) develop suddenly and severely.

None of those, while perhaps true, have any attraction to me whatsoever.

Fulminating was returned...

Sorry, there are no results for that search.

by... http://www.askoxford.com/?view=uk

Use the Queen's English please?

Thank you.


Julianlzb87 ©Juliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 12:02:58 PM1/28/05
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The primary locations for the practice of Buddhism
as taught by SGI is not a temple, or a commuity centre,
but in the members own homes.

They practice, in the main, at home, and further
open their homes to the public and provide free refreshment.

Trump that.

Julianlzb87 ŠJuliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 12:17:24 PM1/28/05
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Please read my other posts to this thread, and,
excuse my disinclination to repetitive typing?

Bill Pfeifer

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Jan 28, 2005, 12:34:04 PM1/28/05
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"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:1106930676....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Juno, in every group there are good and bad apples. This is true of
Buddhism also. Be sure to look around. Visit different centers.
Keep an open mind. Avoid fanatics. Avoid those who hate other
paths.
Buddhist study is a vast field. There are many different ways of
looking at the truth. Avoid those who claim to have the only true
interpretation. Avoid those who reduce the entire subject to a simple
formula.

Always ask yourself, "Does this make sense?"

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 12:38:32 PM1/28/05
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:34:04 -0800, "Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

And then... "is this good manners?"

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Evelyn Ruut

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Bill has given you excellent advice. Keep an open mind, but don't be too
gullible. Teachers are important. I will post something we often posted in
the past called "how to find a good teacher" which you may find of interest.

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:00:16 PM1/28/05
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Allow Juno to be the judge.



>Keep an open mind, but don't be too gullible.

Do this... do that....

>Teachers are important.

So you are demonstrating.

> I will post something we often posted in
>the past called "how to find a good teacher" which you may find of interest.

Please have the decency to allow Juno read the menu first!

Manners maketh woman too.

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Julianlzb87 a écrit :

> Use the Queen's English please?

Why would I, I am not the queen.

Lee Dillion

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:30:13 PM1/28/05
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I have some missionaries who will come to your house, make you some
lemonade, and mow your lawn - all for free.

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:29:38 PM1/28/05
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Julianlzb87 a écrit :

> The primary locations for the practice of Buddhism
> as taught by SGI is not a temple, or a commuity centre,
> but in the members own homes.
>
> They practice, in the main, at home, and further
> open their homes to the public and provide free refreshment.
>
> Trump that.

Trumping opening my home to the public? You win.

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:38:08 PM1/28/05
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In SGI-UK they are known as clueless newbies.

The SGI-UK missionaries stay home
and welcome everyone.


Julianlzb87 ©Juliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:42:51 PM1/28/05
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You, certainly, do not have her manners.

The Queen's English is for Universal communication.

It would help those wishing to talk about a religion called Buddhism.

Julianlzb87 ŠJuliaslan 2005

Lee Dillion

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:45:15 PM1/28/05
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Sure - it seems many sectarian groups have pejorative labels for the
missionaries of other sectarians.

But do continue. I am sure this is all helpful for Juno.

Lee Dillion

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:48:07 PM1/28/05
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Geez. Use a real dictionary like the OED where the word in question
most assuradly exists.

"Hence {sm}fulminating vbl. n., the action of the vb.

1693 W. SALMON Bates' Dispens. (1715) 537/1 You need not fear its
fulminating in the drying."

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:51:18 PM1/28/05
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Doh! Dimwiit...

The SGI-UK members who behave as you describe are those
I am talking about.

Experienced SGI-UK members stay home and party.

This is nothing to do with out religions whatsoever
a purely in house matter.

Facts, Lee, gets some facts...

You have sacrificed Buddhism for your career, a lawyer,
and thus both suffer more.

.


Julianlzb87 ©Juliaslan 2005

Lee Dillion

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:57:04 PM1/28/05
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Thanks for the clarification - as revised "it seems many sectarian

groups have pejorative labels for the missionaries of other sectarians

and for their own clueless newbie missionaries."

Julianlzb87

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Jan 28, 2005, 1:57:11 PM1/28/05
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I did not wish to soil the Queen's English by
association with "Varja..." putridity.


Julianlzb87 ©Juliaslan 2005

junoexpress

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Jan 28, 2005, 2:15:07 PM1/28/05
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Julianlzb87:

Thanks for the info on SGI. I contacted them for more info and they
were very nice. I am looking forward to learning more about SGI
(although you have to admit that that guy Lee mentioned who comes and
does your lawn for free and makes lemonade sounded pretty good too. If
he does margaritas for free, I might have to go over to him :.)).

I have one last question though. Again, I apolgize for asking what is
probably a very basic question: please bear in mind that I am just a
beginner. I just finished Jean Smith's book "The Beginner's Guide to
Walking the Buddha's Eightfold Path", a series of a narratives about
the experiences of various people practicing Buddhism, and one of the
things that struck me was that the choice of a teacher was critical to
all of these people. I am concerned that if I were to join a group
working out of someones home that I would lose the experience of a monk
that an actual established center would have. How important a factor do
you think this is?

Thanks,

J

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Julianlzb87 a écrit :

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:35 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
> <Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Use the Queen's English please?
>>
>>Why would I, I am not the queen.
>
>
> You, certainly, do not have her manners.

Nor her grandson's.

> The Queen's English is for Universal communication.
>
> It would help those wishing to talk about a religion called Buddhism.

Physician heal thyself. NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO "We beg your pardon? We are
not amused."

Lee Dillion

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junoexpress wrote:
> Julianlzb87:
>
> Thanks for the info on SGI. I contacted them for more info and they
> were very nice. I am looking forward to learning more about SGI
> (although you have to admit that that guy Lee mentioned who comes and
> does your lawn for free and makes lemonade sounded pretty good too. If
> he does margaritas for free, I might have to go over to him :.)).

Virgin ones only. But you could slip in some tequila while they are out
mowing.

Julianlzb87

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SGI-UK has community centers to enable the
members to meet each other and facilitate the selection
of appropriate teachers.

BTW SGI-UK has no monks... all members are equal.

It does, however, have 4 divisions...

Men's and Women's divisions which are in turn divided
into the immature and mature.

WD, MD, YWD, YMD.

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Bill Pfeifer

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"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:1106939707.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> Julianlzb87:
>
> Thanks for the info on SGI. I contacted them for more info and they
> were very nice. I am looking forward to learning more about SGI
> (although you have to admit that that guy Lee mentioned who comes and
> does your lawn for free and makes lemonade sounded pretty good too. If
> he does margaritas for free, I might have to go over to him :.)).

Please be careful. Find out more about SGI.
Keep your eyes wide open.

Julianlzb87

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:41:15 -0800, "Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>


>"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:1106939707.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Julianlzb87:
>>
>> Thanks for the info on SGI. I contacted them for more info and they
>> were very nice. I am looking forward to learning more about SGI
>> (although you have to admit that that guy Lee mentioned who comes and
>> does your lawn for free and makes lemonade sounded pretty good too. If
>> he does margaritas for free, I might have to go over to him :.)).
>
>Please be careful.

I think Juno needs no advice, especially from you, on that.

However, credit that which is due...

> Find out more about SGI.

Is sound advice.

> Keep your eyes wide open.

A little extreme.

snip.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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The labled I used were those in currency on Usenet.

The "labled" used by SGI-UK are...
YWD and YMD, ie.

Young Women's Division & Young Men's Division.

IMO, just about as un-pejorative as possible.

Facts, Lee, Facts.

Please discard your lawyerly disdain for facts.

Julianlzb87 ©Juliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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SKI-UK members can drink to their hearts desire whatever
medicines, poisons or refreshments they choose.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Evelyn Ruut

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"junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Please be cautious of cults........(a word to the wise)......

Julianlzb87

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You should be asking sincere questions of the wise
and not telling them what to do.

Learn some manners.

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Peter Holmgren

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> Unfortunatey, there are no sites near Oxford (just Cincinnati and
> Dayton, both of which are somehwat far away). Thank you to everyone who
> responded though: I really appreciated it. It was important for me
> because I've just got into Buddhism and would like to seriously
> practice it. Being new to Buddhism, I had thought being near a Buddhist
> center would be a good way to learn more about Buddhism and to maintain
> my focus. Although this job offer in Oxford is really great, I think I
> might turn it down for this reason.
>

Hi Juno,

Don't give up the job offer just because there's no buddhist temple nearby.
There are several ways of getting information on how to practise. One of the
best I've ever read was written by Ajahn Sumedho, "The four noble truths".
It's about 70 pages, but it has everything you need to know about how to
practise buddhism.

Here's the link to the online book : http://www.buddhanet.net/4noble.htm
And here you can download it as PDF:
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/4nobltru.pdf

Get dhammatalks through any of these links :
http://www.dhammatalks.org.uk/
http://otaku.org/khemasanto/
http://www.buddhistfellowship.org/dhamma_talks.htm
http://www.mettaforest.org/Audio%20Dhamma.htm
http://www.bswa.org/audio/audio_index.php

The talks are all MP3 format, and excellent stuff.

Now you have the dhamma, you only need the company. On the web you can find
many Theravadin, Mahayana, Zen and Chan forums, where people talk dhamma.
(Stay clear of Nichiren related forums, specially SGI. Some Nichiren schools
actually does follow Buddhas teachings, but they are rare and only present
in Japan.). My advise is to play it safe on one of the four main schools
Zen, Chan, Vajrayana or Theravada.

Last stay a weekend every other month at a monastery somewhere nearby of
your choice.

--
Metta

Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."


Julianlzb87

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:18:25 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
<Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:

>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:35 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
>> <Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Use the Queen's English please?
>>>
>>>Why would I, I am not the queen.
>>
>>
>> You, certainly, do not have her manners.
>
>Nor her grandson's.

Nor the lowliest of her subjects.

>
>> The Queen's English is for Universal communication.
>>
>> It would help those wishing to talk about a religion called Buddhism.
>
>Physician heal thyself. NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO "We beg your pardon? We are
>not amused."

The Queen's English is highly flexible and proactive.

It joyfully accepts useful words from any where.

We are amused.

Thank you.


Julianlzb87 ŠJuliaslan 2005

Peter Holmgren

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>
> "junoexpress" <mathim...@netscape.net> wrote in message

Well formulated!
I agree.
Thank you for a formulation on the subject. I've been searching a looong
time for such a formulation.

Lee Dillion

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Yes, most of our ski clubs in the US allow their members to drink to
their hearts content as well. Didn't know the UK had any hills big
enough to ski on. Thanks for the info.

Julianlzb87

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Like I have said before...

If I had a penny for everything you didn't know
there'd be a BRG Aston Martin DB9 soft top
parked outside my flat and I'd be jangling it's key!

Your knowledge, Lee, is bad luck all 'round.

Cheers... mate!


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Lee Dillion

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Julianlzb87 wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:24:35 -0700, Lee Dillion <leedi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Julianlzb87 wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:21:35 -0700, Lee Dillion <leedi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>junoexpress wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Julianlzb87:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the info on SGI. I contacted them for more info and they
>>>>>were very nice. I am looking forward to learning more about SGI
>>>>>(although you have to admit that that guy Lee mentioned who comes and
>>>>>does your lawn for free and makes lemonade sounded pretty good too. If
>>>>>he does margaritas for free, I might have to go over to him :.)).
>>>>
>>>>Virgin ones only. But you could slip in some tequila while they are out
>>>>mowing.
>>>
>>>
>>>SKI-UK members can drink to their hearts desire whatever
>>>medicines, poisons or refreshments they choose.
>>
>>Yes, most of our ski clubs in the US allow their members to drink to
>>their hearts content as well. Didn't know the UK had any hills big
>>enough to ski on. Thanks for the info.
>
>
> Like I have said before...
>
> If I had a penny for everything you didn't know
> there'd be a BRG Aston Martin DB9 soft top
> parked outside my flat and I'd be jangling it's key!

True. You could also afford a good dictionary.

Julianlzb87

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:20:21 +0100, "Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]>
wrote:

It is indeed, but not by Bill.
.
>I agree.

It "Does this make sense?" however,
is, alone, not enough.

Manners too,
are required to make a real man,
along with wisdom that is!

>Thank you for a formulation on the subject.
> I've been searching a looong
>time for such a formulation.

You're in the right place, TRB, now.

Well done...

Thank you.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Julianlzb87

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I have one in my Library,
on the other side of the road,
but it is closed until 9.00am.

I'm no slave driver,
my staff have evenings off.


Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Sid

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Evelyn Ruut wrote:

Notably the Tibetanistas. They need your money
to reestablish the regime, here in the West.

Bill Pfeifer

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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message news:41fac8d7$0$171$edfa...@dread11.news.tele.dk...

Actually, I would add, "avoid those who make you pay a lot of money
for their teachings" and "avoid those who make it difficult to leave them,
should you change your mind."
These apply mostly to Scientology (but some others as well). I don't
know enough about SGI to determine where they are in that respect.

Julianlzb87

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:46:21 -0800, "Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>

I would add further... avoid those that ask ANY money,
eg. The Tibetanistas... see Disgraceful post on ARBT & TRB.

>should you change your mind."
>These apply mostly to Scientology (but some others as well). I don't
>know enough about SGI to determine where they are in that respect.

SGI would have to be damned clever to prevent over 10,000,000
people leaving their own homes.

They'd need, I guess,
at least 3 enforcers for every member.

That'd be 30,000,000 employees
and even SGI ain't got that much dosh!

Cash bulging out of every drawer,
cupboard, office, community Centrex,
maybe...
but it hasn't sufficient to fulfil your
paranoid and deluded visions.

Thank you for the tip about
Tibetanistas and Scientotlogists though...
I hadn't realised quite how similar they really are.

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Sid

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Julianlzb87 wrote:

Try this on for size:
http://www.dhammakaya.or.th/

Julianlzb87

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Sarf London...
yer gotta be kidding...
That's nearly Yurrrp!

I'll stay home 'till they send a Limo.
If I'm not busy then... I'll reconsider.

ps. I like me 'baccy too!

Getcha...Satan... Behind... etc.

Julianlzb87

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:01:08 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
<Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:

>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:18:25 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
>> <Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:35 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
>>>><Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Use the Queen's English please?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would I, I am not the queen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You, certainly, do not have her manners.
>>>
>>>Nor her grandson's.
>>
>>
>> Nor the lowliest of her subjects.
>

>I'm happy that has been spotted ;-)


>
>>>>The Queen's English is for Universal communication.
>>>>
>>>>It would help those wishing to talk about a religion called Buddhism.
>>>
>>>Physician heal thyself. NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO "We beg your pardon? We are
>>>not amused."
>>
>>
>> The Queen's English is highly flexible and proactive.
>>
>> It joyfully accepts useful words from any where.
>>
>> We are amused.
>

>As any foreigner having been taught the Queen's English in school, I too
>have been surprised to discover that hardly any of her subjects speaks
>the damn language. They all have their own wierd local accents and
>expressions.

Yes. You hinted at the reason for that too.

Generally, we, those born and raised in the UK are never
taught how to speak English but just pick it up hearsay
from family and friends, and increasingly off the TV.

It is not quite so bad as far as written English goes, but
even that is changing with the decline of the
"Grammar" schools.

Is it not simile with respect to your own first language?
Are there not local dialects and slang that foreigner may
"more correctly" not use?

Julianlzb87 ŠJuliaslan 2005

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Julianlzb87 a écrit :
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:18:25 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
> <Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:35 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
>>><Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Julianlzb87 a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Use the Queen's English please?
>>>>
>>>>Why would I, I am not the queen.
>>>
>>>
>>>You, certainly, do not have her manners.
>>
>>Nor her grandson's.
>
>
> Nor the lowliest of her subjects.

I'm happy that has been spotted ;-)

>>>The Queen's English is for Universal communication.


>>>
>>>It would help those wishing to talk about a religion called Buddhism.
>>
>>Physician heal thyself. NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO "We beg your pardon? We are
>>not amused."
>
>
> The Queen's English is highly flexible and proactive.
>
> It joyfully accepts useful words from any where.
>
> We are amused.

As any foreigner having been taught the Queen's English in school, I too

Peter Holmgren

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"Julianlzb87" <julia...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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Huh?

Did someone say something?

Julianlzb87

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:08 +0100, "Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]>
wrote:

It is an expression of gratitude.

>
>Did someone say something?

Someone was listening.

Case closed.

Peter Holmgren

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You remind me of a Hare Krishna supporter I know.
Both your behaviors, attitudes and use of words are strikingly similar.

Julianlzb87

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:45:33 +0100, "Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]>
wrote:

I am a human... the ruut of all evil...
call the cops or kill me...

don't just sit there!

Julianlzb87 咐uliaslan 2005

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Julianlzb87 a écrit :

Less and less so, Holland is a small country. My first "language" was a
mixture of my father's, mother's and local dialect, which nobody except
my brothers and sister speak. But since then dialects are less and less
spoken. The politically decided domination of the Northern "dialect"
which has become the offical language and television were a a big help.
The pride of being a local is now lacking in Holland. In the UK it seems
stronger than ever.

Julianlzb87

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:00:49 +0100, Peter Bergwaldheimhausen
<Peterbergwa...@swissgay.zzn.com> wrote:

I suppose the Internet is gradually
creating a uniform version of English.

The UK has a lot to be proud of.


Julian ŠJuliaslan 2005

Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

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Julianlzb87 a écrit :


> I suppose the Internet is gradually
> creating a uniform version of English.

The Queen's Pidgin English. I am probably contributing to it too.

Julian

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Indeed.

You are also welcome
to contribute to
the Queens' English.

Thank you.


Julian ŠJuliaslan 2005

Julian Love God

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yo

klegshe

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What type of Buddhism do you practice or are interested in?

ariel...@gmail.com

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That's not so nice or much likea the buhdist.

ariel...@gmail.com

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True, yet unhelpful.

ariel...@gmail.com

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Overly helpful, thank you.
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