You Be the Judge Re: Ken Keyes
Happy Camper
People have been slandering the name, character, and teachings of Ken
Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas and
let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he has
recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
I will post them as replies to this header.
I think Ken Keyes is a damn nice guy. And I think he has simplified
some universal spiritual principals into his own system of thought.
I am not pushing his ideas but since people have slandered his name
it is perfectly fair for me to post his ideas and let you judge for
yourselves.
He was not selling anthing but books. You only need buy his books to
practice his methods. You need not join anything or accept him as a guru
or any of that nonsense.
He did offer onsite classes for anyone who could get to Oregon, but
there was nothing to be joined. They were classes which taught his
methodology; nothing more.
Happy Camper
Forward from: Handbook to Higher Consciousness
http://www.insightandlove.com/sohforward.htm
Forward from: Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Ken Keyes Jr. & Gathering
Power Through Insight and Love by Penny Keyes, Ken Keyes Jr. & Staff.
Millions of years ago when our animal ancestors had to survive in The
jungle, it was necessary to have an instantly effective fight or flight
mechanism. When a tiger was about to spring, an automatic emotional response
was a life saver. A nervous shock was needed to squirt adrenaline into the
blood so that muscles became jet powered. Emotional alarms were needed to
command full attention. When a tiger was ready to jump, there was no time to
admire the beautiful sunset. As a jungle survival mechanism, our animal
ancestors were programmed for automatic duality-automatic feelings of
otherness, threat, and paranoia. Survival required instant domination of
consciousness to meet the perils of the jungle.
We are the pioneers in the evolution of human consciousness. It was only
about 10,000 years ago that our ancestors built the first cities. As
civilization grew, survival no longer depended on the instant fight or
flight of the jungle. Survival and happiness now depend on tuning in to the
overall situation involving ourselves, the people around us, and the total
environment of the here and now. Perceptiveness, wisdom, and oneness are now
the ingredients of effective and happy living. But our biocomputers are
still programmed for jungle fight or flight-for a fast release of adrenaline
into the blood stream, and for rapid heart beat-for automatic anger and
fear. In our social interactions, our consciousness magnifies molehills and
makes them into mountains-and this constant distortion destroys our energy,
our insight, and our ability to love.
Thus survival in the jungle meant that we had to be programmed for instant
paranoia-instant fear-instant anger-and perception of duality. Survival in
our world today means we must have instant perceptions of oneness-of Iove-of
union with everyone and understanding of everything around us. When we learn
to cut through our paranoid jungle program we are on our way to higher
consciousness and happiness.
Evolution is now working to remedy this primitive jungle wiring in our brain
that tends to hold us on lower conscious levels. Paranoid, dualistic
individuals who cannot love themselves and others tend to get heart trouble,
ulcers, other psychoses diseases, are accident-prone, etc. Perhaps in
100,000 years through the ruthless survival of the fittest, humans may have
nervous systems that are automatically structured to produce instant
insights that facilitate love and oneness. But that doesn't help you and me.
We need the Living Love Way to show us how to live in consciousness as soon
as possible-to override our jungle programming so that we can enjoy living
here and now. We have escaped from the domination of instincts (instant
unlearned behavior) that guides animals through their dual situations. Since
the young human is not provided with a full repertoire of automatic fixed
responses, we are unable to independently cope with life for a number of
years after birth. This long period of plasticity and openness to learning
complex life guidance patterns helps us avoid fixed preprogrammed behavior.
For example long nurturing period lets us learn complex language systems-
our flexibility is such that we can learn to communicate in Spanish as
easily as in English or any other language. Instead of a complete pattern of
animal-type instincts to provide survival responses to life situations, the
young child uses mechanisms backed by hair-trigger emotions to develop
sensation, and power magnification of the moment-to-moment sensory inputs.
Our personal development into fulfilling, Our lives (as well as the
progression of civilization beyond the dual power consciousness) depends on
our getting free of our emotion-backed, subject-object, me-them,
security-sensation-power trips.
It may be helpful to see this progression of consciousness in outline form
as follows: *ORGANISM - Relatively fixed life style based on instinct or
unlearned preprogrammed behavior. *Animal Lower Consciousness -
Fright-or-flight directed, subject-object, emotion- backed security,
sensation, and power consciousness. *Human Higher Consciousness -
(increasingly involving the rational mind) that makes us inflexibly guard
and protect habitual folkways and personal patterns. *Human METHOD OF
PROTECTING AND ENHANCING THE ORGANISM - The ego-driven negative emotions
have been replaced by wide-ranging insight and deep intuitive understanding
giving full flexibility to flow in mutually supportive and loving ways with
no inflexible folkways and personal patterns.
The biocomputer with which you are equipped is the most remarkable
instrument in the universe. Your only problem is to learn to use it
properly. It is capable of handling two million visual inputs and one
hundred thousand auditory inputs at any one time. Your biocomputer operates
continually throughout all of its parts and is capable of making millions of
simultaneous computations. It operates with enormous power primarily on
unconscious levels-with only a tiny proportion of its activity rising to the
level of consciousness. The conscious level of your biocomputer is analogous
to the print-out of the man-made computers. Your journey into higher
consciousness is a matter of your learning how to properly program your
remarkable biocomputer. When you really learn to operate your exquisite
mechanism, you will be able to fully realize your potential for a happy
life.
A wonderful thing about life is that it is naturally good. Life is set up to
work-to produce love, fulfillment, and happiness continuously. However,
various situations during your first years of life conditioned you in the
methods of consciousness which continually generate unhappiness in your
life. Yet every current experience can aid you in your growth toward higher
consciousness if you know how to use it. This Handbook will explain how you
have been creating the experiences that you have. It will show you exactly
what to do to break out of the traps in your mind that are the cause of all
the unhappiness that you have experienced in your life! When you apply the
Methods in the Handbook, you will be able to turn your life around. The
continuous experience of love, serenity, happiness, joy, effectiveness,
perceptiveness, and wisdom that you have had only in bits and pieces can now
be available to you all of the time. You will learn how to experience the
world as a friendly, loving place that has been designed to give you
everything that you need. You will develop a "miraculous" quality in your
life. Beautiful things will happen so continuously that you can no longer
ascribe it to mere "coincidence." You will experience that you can create
more love, happiness, and serenity than you need for living a thoroughly
fulfilled and enjoyable life.
While this was certainly not your intention, you will become aware of how
you have been turning yourself off to the energies of the world around you.
Your mind has been programmed to process incoming visual, auditory, and
other information in ways that continuously alienate and separate you from
people. You will realize that you have been unconscious of what you have
been doing to yourself. It is as though you have been born with eyes that
see only with great distortion-but which give the illusion of seeing sharply
and clearly. This Handbook will help you become aware that the only real
problem in your life involves how consciously you use your mind-and it gives
you clear instructions for carrying out the inner work necessary to become
an energetic, perceptive, loving being. Living Love is a positive cure for
all of the suffering and un- happiness in your life and that of all
humanity. The Living Love Way offers mankind one of the most powerful tools
for emerging victorious in the race between higher consciousness and the
suffering of atomic annihilation, ecological degradation, prejudice, and the
thousand fold ways we separate ourselves from each other.
Happy Camper
The Seven Centers of Consciousness
http://www.geocities.com/orisus.geo/centers.html
The Seven Centers of Consciousness
1. THE SECURITY CENTER
This Center makes you preoccupied with food, shelter, or whatever you equate
with your personal security. This programming forces your
consciousness to be dominated by your continuous battle to get "enough" from
the world in order to feel secure.
2. THE SENSATION CENTER
This Center is concerned with finding happiness in life by providing
yourself with more and better pleasurable sensations and activities. For
many
people , sex is the most appealing of all sensations, Other addictive
sensations may include the sound of music, the taste of food, etc.
3. THE POWER CENTER
When your consciousness is focused on this Center, you are concerned with
dominating people and situations and increasing your prestige, wealth,
and pride-in addition to thousands of more subtle forms of hierarchy,
manipulation, and control.
4. THE LOVE CENTER
At this Center you are transcending subject-object relationships and are
learning to see the world with the feelings and harmonies of flowing
acceptance, You see yourself in everyone-and everyone in yourself. You feel
compassion for the suffering of those caught in the dramas of security,
sensation and power. You are beginning to love and accept everyone
unconditionally-even yourself.
5. THE CORNUCOPIA CENTER
When your consciousness is illuminated by this Center, you experience the
friendliness of the world you are creating, You begin to realize that
you've always lived in a perfect world. To the degree that you still have
addictions, the perfection lies in giving you the experience you need to get
free of your emotion-backed demands. As you reprogram your addictions, the
perfection will be experienced as a continuous enjoyment of the here
and now in your life. As you become more loving and accepting, the world
becomes a "horn of plenty" that gives you more than you need to be
happy.
6. THE CONSCIOUS-AWARENESS CENTER
It is liberating to have a Center from which your Conscious-awareness
watches your body and mind perform on the lower five centers. This is a
meta-center from which you non-judgementally witness the drama of your body
and mind. From this Center of Centers, you learn to impartially
observe your social roles and life games from a place that is free from fear
and vulnerability.
7. THE COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS CENTER
When you live fully in the Sixth Center of Consciousness, you are ready to
transcend self-awareness and become pure awareness. At this ultimate
level, you are one with everything-you are love, peace. energy, beauty,
wisdom, clarity, effectiveness, and oneness.
reprinted from HANDBOOK TO HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS by Ken Keyes Jr., Fifth
Edition, Copyright 1975 by the Living Love Center.
Happy Camper
The Twelve Pathways to Higher Consciousness
http://www.geocities.com/Orisus.geo/pathways.html
The Twelve Pathways To the Higher Consciousness Planes of Unconditional Love
and Oneness
FREEING MYSELF
1. I am freeing myself from security,sensation, and power addictions that
make me try to forcefully control situations in my life, and thus destroy my
serenity and keep me from loving myself and others.
2. I am discovering how my consciousness-dominating addictions create my
illusory version of the changing world of people and situations around
me.
3. I welcome the opportunity (even if painful) that my minute-to-minute
experience offers me to become aware of the addictions I must reprogram to
be liberated from my robot-like emotional patterns.
BEING HERE NOW
4. I always remember that I have everything I need to enjoy my here and
now-unless I am letting my consciousness be dominated by demands and
expectations based on the dead past or the imagined future.
5. I take full responsibility here and now for everything I experience, for
it is my own programming that creates my actions and also influences the
reactions of people around me.
6. I accept myself completely here and now and consciously experience
everything I feel, think, say, and do (including my emotion-backed
addictions) as a necessary part of my growth into higher consciousness.
INTERACTING WITH OTHERS
7. I open myself genuinely to all people by being willing to fully
communicate my deepest feelings, since hiding in any degree keeps me stuck
in my
illusion of separateness from other people.
8. I feel with loving compassion the problems of others without getting
caught up emotionally in their predicaments that are offering them messages
they need for their growth.
9. I act freely when I am tuned in, centered, and loving, but if possible I
avoid acting when I am emotionally upset and depriving myself of the wisdom
that flows from love and expanded consciousness.
DISCOVERING MY CONSCIOUS-AWARENESS
10. I am continually calming the restless scanning of my rational mind in
order to perceive the finer energies that enable me to intuitively merge
with
everything around me.
11. I am constantly aware of which of the Seven Centers of Consciousness I
am using, and I feel my energy, perceptiveness, love and inner peace
growing as I open all of the Centers of Consciousness.
12. I am perceiving everyone, including myself, as an awakening being who is
here to claim his or her birthright to the higher consciousness planes of
unconditional love and oneness.
Happy Camper
Appendix 2: Summary--Ken Keyes' Five Parts of Living Love
http://www.siue.edu/~jandris/HTMLDocuments/ANDRIS/living.html
Appendix 2: Summary--Ken Keyes' Five Parts of Living Love
The Law of Higher Consciousness: Love Everyone Unconditionally--Including
Yourself
The Five Methods Plus the Instant Conscious Doubler:
1.Memorize the Twelve Pathways and apply them to your problems.
2.Be aware at all times of which Center of Consciousness you are using to
perceive your world.
3.Become more consciously conscious of the cause-effect relationship
between your addictions and the resulting unhappiness.
4.Use the Catalyst ALL WAYS US LIVING LOVE as a tool for cognitive
centering.
5.Use the Consciousness Focusing Method to accelerate the reprogramming
of heavy addictions.
(plus the Instant Consciousness Doubler: Expand your love, your
consciousness, and your loving compassion by experiencing everything that
everyone does or says as though you had done or said it).
THE TWELVE PATHWAYS
Freeing Myself
1.I am freeing myself from security, sensation, and power addictions that
make me try to forcefully control situations in my life, and thus destroy my
serenity and keep me from loving myself and others.
2.I am discovering how my consciousness-dominating addictions create my
illusory version of the changing world of people and situations around me.
3.I welcome the opportunity (even if painful) that my minute-to-minute
experience offers me to become aware of the addictions I must reprogram to
be liberated from my robot-like emotional patterns.
Being Here Now
4.I always remember that I have everything I need to enjoy my here and
nowŃunless I am letting my consciousness be dominated by demands and
expectations based on the dead past or the imagined future.
5.I take full responsibility here and now for everything I experience,
for it is my own programming that creates my actions and also influences the
reactions of people around me.
6.I accept myself completely here and now and consciously experience
everything I feel, think, say, and do (including my emotion-backed
addictions) as a necessary part of my growth into higher consciousness.
Interacting With Others
7.I open myself genuinely to all people by being willing to fully
communicate my deepest feelings, since hiding in any degree keeps me stuck
in my illusion of separateness from other people.
8.I feel with loving compassion the problems of others without getting
caught up emotionally in their predicaments that are offering them messagese
they need for their growth.
9.I act freely when I am tuned in, centered, and loving, but if possible
I avoid acting when I am emotionally upset and depriving myself of the
wisdom that flows from love and expanded consciousness.
Discovering My Conscious-awareness
10.I am continually calming the restless scanning of my rational mind in
order to perceive the finer energies that enable me to unitively merge with
everything around me.
11.I am constantly aware of which of the Seven Ceneters of Consciousness I
am using, and I feel my energy, perceptiveness, love, and inner peace
growing as I open all of the Centers of Consciousness.
12.I am perceiving everyone, including myself, as an awakening being who
is here to claim his or her birthright to the higher consciousness planes of
unconditional love and oneness.
The Scale for Knowing your Center of Consciousness at Each Moment:
The Seven Centers of Consciousness:
1.The Security Center
2.The Sensation Center
3.The Power Center
4.The Love Center
5.The Cornucopia Center
6.The Conscious-awareness Center
7.The Cosmic Consciousness Center
The Purpose of Our Lives: The purpose of our lives is to be free of all
addictive traps, and thus become One with the Ocean of
Living Love.
Happy Camper
Making Your Life Work! (article by Ken Keyes, Jr.)
http://www.innerself.com/Magazine/Behavior_Modification/Making_Your_Life_Work_by_Ken_Keyes.htm
Making Your Life Work!
by Ken Keyes, Jr.
Making your life work means freeing yourself
from your ego and rational mind that have kept
you trapped in playing out the security,
sensation, and power demands that you
programmed into your big-computer during the
first few years of your life. You have been stuck
in these ineffective ruts that make you like a
yo-yo bouncing between pain and pleasure. By
continually trying to work the unworkable, you
have blindly repeated your mistakes.
It has been pointed out that even a rat does not
usually get hung up in a fruitless repetition of
lifetime patterns that are doomed to failure.
Let's suppose there are several tunnels
arranged side by side and you put some cheese
at the end of tunnel three. Then you turn a rat
loose at the entrances. It will sniff around,
maybe look them over, and then in a random
fashion explore the tunnels until it finds the one
with the cheese. The next time you put the rat
near the tunnels, there may be a certain amount
of random behavior, but there is a much greater
probability that it will go after the cheese in
tunnel three. After the rat has done this a few
times, it will immediately run down tunnel three
to get the cheese.
Suppose that for a period of 60 days the rat finds
the cheese at the end of the third tunnel. One
day in a rat's life corresponds to about one
month in a human life. This would be equivalent
to about five years in a human life.
Then suppose the cheese is moved from tunnel
three to tunnel four. Now we put the rat near the
tunnels and he again runs down tunnel three to
get the cheese. But the cheese isn't there any
longer. The rat will come out, look the scene
over, and try tunnel three again. He may repeat
this several times. But after a few repeated
trials, with no more cheese, the rat will stop
going down tunnel three, and start exploring the
other ones.
A big difference between a rat and a human
being is that a rat won't continue to run down the
tunnel that does not provide cheese whereas a
human being may continue to run down the same
tunnel for his entire lifetime trying to find the
cheese that isn't there! Sooner or later the rat
will give up on tunnel three, since it doesn't have
a rational mind to continually analyze, compute,
and try to prove that the cheese is down tunnel
three because it used to be there. A rat cannot
go to a library to read books about cheese and
how one is supposed to be able to get it. It
cannot formulate arguments or make speeches
proving that the cheese should really be down
tunnel three; and it cannot try to convince fellow
rats that there really is cheese down tunnel
three even though it is in fact not there. The
nervous system of a rat will quickly adapt to the
fact that the cheese just isn't where it used to be
and it will start looking somewhere else.
When you were two years old, you probably
learned that the way to get the cheese (or
whatever you wanted) was to scream loudly and
try to power-trip your parents. They seemed to
control all the cheese. If you cried and fussed
enough, by using your Third Center of
Consciousness, (power center or third chakra),
you could get them to give you candy or let you
stay up late at night, or whatever it was that you
wanted.
You were largely unconscious of the overall
picture, and your ego kept your awareness
focused on your fears and desires. When you
looked at life, it was as though you were looking
through the end of a long tunnel and saw only a
tiny spot of the world at the end of it. The overall
picture of life was blocked out by the sides of the
tunnel. Your immature biocomputer permitted
your fears and desires to project on the screen
of your consciousness only a tiny slice of the life
realities around you. You had no real choice in
your life, because you had no wide-range
perception of the people and events around you.
By age two, you had deeply programmed
yourself by using crying to force changes in the
people and things around you. At that time in
your life, this was one of the few ways you had to
get what you wanted from the world. It may be
difficult to explain to a two year old that the
lower three levels of consciousness generate
unhappiness, and that the really big stash of
cheese is located at the end of the Love Tunnel.
How do you tell a young child that there is only a
little dab of low grade cheese which will never be
enough at the end of the Security Tunnel (root
chakra), Sensation Tunnel (reproduction
chakra),), and Power Tunnel? How do you show
a young child that he can have all the cheese
that he could ever want by harmonizing his
energies with the flow of the people and
situations around him? How do you explain to a
crying child that loving acceptance of the here
and now is the only way that brings continuous
happiness in life?
So you get used to running down the Security,
Sensation and Power Tunnels hunting for the
cheese. You know there must be more cheese in
life than you have been getting. Your life is
naturally good. It has always been workable. It's
just that your biocomputer kept making the
same perceptual mistakes over and over and
over again.
Why isn't your life working as it should? What is
pouring sand in the gears? The problem is
simple: your programming continually directs
you to find happiness by trying to change the life
energies around you. You put most of your
attention and energy into trying to manipulate
the people and situations in your life. Since you
found some cheese at the end of tunnel three
during the immature, early years of your life,
your ego and your rational mind continue to
direct most of your energy into changing the life
energies around you to fit your addictive inner
programming.
When you apply a heavy enough power trip, you
may make certain changes in the life energies
around you. But if you were conscious of the
enormous separation and alienation that your
criticism and manipulation creates with the
people around you, you would realize that you
cannot afford the price in lost happiness that you
pay for the precious few changes you may force
on the surface. The only changes that you can
make without paying a large penalty, are those
changes that gently and easily happen when you
make a loving communication. When that won't
do it, you should work on releasing yourself from
your inner addictions and emotion-backed
demands that are controlling or dominating your
consciousness.
When you work on your inner adaptation by
reprogramming the emotion-backed demands
you place on people and situations in your life,
you will find that the life situations and energies
that used to create unhappiness will be neutral
or positive in their effect on your happiness.
Your energy, perceptiveness and ability to love
unconditionally will make you invulnerable to
suffering. Just as your criticism strongly affects
the life energies around you, your positive
feedback can begin to powerfully affect the life
energies around you.
Just as you created the experience of
unhappiness in your life by your continual
negative feedback into the life energies around
you, you have now, in a god-like manner,
created the experience of happiness in your life.
You have created a "miracle"- you are no
longer an "effect" of the world around you - you
have become a "cause" - a creative source.
Your higher consciousness has created the
beautiful world you live in.
Now you know why your life is naturally good,
how your life really wants to work and how your
programming has been the only roadblock to
your experiencing continuous happiness in life.
You know that you have the capacity to create
the experience of happiness or the experience of
unhappiness in your life.
It all depends on the quality and quantity of
critical rejecting energy or accepting loving
energy that you feed back into the people and
situations around you. You will clearly see how
you have kept your life from working and how
you can now begin to demonstrate the miracle of
creating happiness in your life. And by doing
this, you are doing the most you can for other
people - for the most effective way to help them
is to become a happy, loving, conscious being.
Your up-leveling of addictions to preferences
enables you to love more and more and the
Wheel of Happiness begins to turn.
----------
About The Author
Ken Keyes is the author of: "The Power of Unconditional Love" and the
founder of The Science of Happiness. Reprinted with permission from:
"Handbook to Higher Consciousness", © 1975, by Ken Keyes, Jr.,
published by Love Line Books. You may reach Ken at: 790 Commercial
Avenue, Coosbay, Oregon 97420.
Happy Camper
Changing Levels of Consciousness (article by Ken Keyes, Jr.)
http://www.innerself.com/Behavior_Modification/Changing_Levels_of_Consciousness_by_Ken_Keyes.htm
Changing Levels of Consciousness
by Ken Keyes, Jr.
Addictive Behavior Responses
When we first begin our journey and really see
the job of reprogramming that awaits us, our ego
will experience a threat because of a necessity
to change certain lifetime habits that keep us on
lower consciousness levels. But once the ego
gets familiar with the rules of the game, it learns
how to distort these rules so that we can
rationalize our avoiding other tools for
consciousness growth.
Let us suppose that you annoy yourself when
someone asks you to repeat something you just
told him. Your ego puts your consciousness on
the power level by introducing the thought that if
the other person had given you enough of his
attention and realized the importance of your
words, he would have been able to hear you
clearly the first time. Your ego then tells you
that it is important that the other person learn to
respect you enough to pay attention when you
speak. You are showing your irritation in order
to help him develop better habits of attention.
Your ego at that time does not permit you to
remember that your uptightness is a sure sign of
an addiction (in this case a power addiction) and
that you are creating duality and alienation
between yourself and the other person. All of us
from time to time ask people to repeat what they
have said. And so the other person is just doing
something that all of us have often done. If we
were responding from the Love Center of
Consciousness, we would feel no irritation and
simply repeat the information asked for.
Reprogramming Automatic Responses
It is very important that you learn to
automatically spot addictions in your
moment-to-moment flow of consciousness. You
can recognize an addiction by your awareness
that your biocomputer is using emotional
programming to make you irritated, angry,
jealous, confused, tired, bored, defeated, fearful,
resentful, or upset in one way or another. Once
you are well on your way to reprogramming your
more gross addictions, you may then become
aware of your subtle addictions. A subtle
addiction does not get you upset emotionally but
your consciousness is preoccupied with the
addiction for a period of minutes, hours, or days.
When you can love a person only if he or she is
able to act in a fashion that fits your addictive
programming, you are treating the other person
as an object to be manipulated. When you were
growing up, you probably experienced a lot of
dominating behavior from your well-meaning
parents. You now have ego-backed programming
that addictively resists dominating "intrusions"
into your life. Of course, as you grow into higher
consciousness, you reprogram even these
power-resisting addictions, so that dominating
behavior on the part of another person is
understandingly seen for what it is. Thus you
select the communications you find useful, and
let the rest quietly go by and most importantly,
you no longer mirror another person's addictive
"stuff."
It is important that you deeply perceive that love
and expanded consciousness are enough to give
you everything you need in your life. We need to
remind ourselves that getting irritated will only
make the situation more complicated.
Oftentimes we get annoyed when we are
inconvenienced in some way by another person.
We irritate ourselves when people do not follow
agreed-upon rules or when someone is
thoughtless. We often create resentment in
ourselves when we're trying to explain about
how we think and what we're trying to do預nd
other people do not seem to be interested. We
irritate ourselves when we perceive that another
person is deceptive or he or she lets us down in
one way or another.
We may get irritated when someone tells us
something we already know. Or perhaps we are
meditating and we annoy ourselves when
someone is not sensitive to our desire for
silence. Or perhaps we are busy and someone is
not aware of our inner flow when we are trying to
finish a task. Or we have responsibilities and
another person does not recognize that this is
our province where we're entitled to make
decisions.
It is necessary for you to tell yourself that you
have been trying to handle these situations all of
your life by using dominance, pecking-order
forcefulness, emotional uptightness barter, gifts,
and other manipulative techniques. These power
methods have not yet enabled you to create a
fulfilled and beautiful life. Now it is time to
switch over and use only love and expanded
consciousness as your guides whenever the
actions of people do not fit the programs that
you have conditioned into your biocomputer.
You need to realize that each situation is a part
of the nowness of your life. The game is to
emotionally accept the unacceptable. You are
trying to liberate yourself from your addictive
traps. So you use all of these experiences to
grow in consciousness. If you do get trapped into
unloving dualistic Power Level behavior, you
just consciously see the drama for what it is and
you resolve not to get trapped again. If you
stumble, just get up and go on. Don't become
addicted to not stumbling. Use each fall back to
the Power Level as a gift from your life to help
you become more conscious and accepting.
Growing In Consciousness
The energy you put into your growth toward
higher consciousness can be increased if you
deeply realize the enormous price you are now
paying for your lower consciousness
addictions預 toll in lost happiness, lost peace,
lost love, lost serenity, lost wisdom, and lost
effectiveness. If you put half the energy into
expanding your consciousness than you do into
living out your programmed addictions, you
would soon begin to live in the warmth and
beauty of higher consciousness. The level of
consciousness at which you operate determines
what you notice and what you don't notice. Your
programming influences whether you see it all
clearly or see it through distorting ego filters
謡hether it grabs your consciousness or is
simply seen clearly for what it is.
Always remember that the individual with higher
consciousness is the one who is most flexible,
who avoids fixed patterns, who flows in every
life situation so as not to get involved in
addictive irritations. The individual with higher
consciousness creates a peaceful world in which
to live. This can be done regardless of whether
or not you are with people who are consciously
working on their growth. It takes two people to
have an ego battle. But it only takes one person
to create the peace and love of higher
consciousness! The other person does not have
to know the Living Love Way and does not have
to be trying to reprogram his alienating
addictions. He can be inflexible, power-oriented,
ego-dominated and hostile. If you can operate
from the Love Level of Consciousness or any
higher level, your love and your conscious
perceptiveness will enable you to flow in every
situation.
Love and peace are not only your goals, they
are also the methods you use to get to the goals.
Always realize that it is only the programming in
your head that is separating you from the
beautiful feelings of higher consciousness every
second of your life. Happiness is there waiting
inside of you and it becomes more available
every time you reprogram one of your
addictions.
----------
About The Author
Ken Keyes is the author of: "The Power of
Unconditional Love" and the founder of the
"Science of Happiness". At his death, Ken was the
founding director of the Caring Rapid Healing Center
in Coos Bay, Oregon.
Sphere
Happy Camper wrote:
>
> People have been slandering the name, character, and teachings of Ken
> Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas and
> let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he has
> recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
I don't remember anyone slandering
Ken Keyes. I do remember a lot of
people ignoring what you have to
say about him.
>
> I will post them as replies to this header.
Please don't. I have the strong impression
that most people here don't give a shit.
>
> I think Ken Keyes is a damn nice guy. And I think he has simplified
> some universal spiritual principals into his own system of thought.
There's no such thing as "universal spiritual
principles" so you can just fuck off about
it. There is your opinion; which has been
either ignored or rejected by just about
everyone here.
>
> I am not pushing his ideas but since people have slandered his name
> it is perfectly fair for me to post his ideas and let you judge for
> yourselves.
You are too pushing his ideas. Like I
said, the overwhelming evidence is that
most people here don't give a shit and
will judge whatever you post as not worth
reading.
>
> He was not selling anthing but books. You only need buy his books to
> practice his methods. You need not join anything or accept him as a guru
We also don't need to practice his methods.
There are some 2500 year old methods which
work just fine -- tested by time.
> or any of that nonsense.
> He did offer onsite classes for anyone who could get to Oregon, but
> there was nothing to be joined. They were classes which taught his
> methodology; nothing more.
So what?
--
Sphere.
Little green men who do not exist live under my bed.
Son of man
"Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
news:3CE3703E...@playground.net...
Happy Camper
Sphere wrote:
> Happy Camper wrote:
> >
> > People have been slandering the name, character, and teachings of Ken
> > Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas and
> > let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he has
> > recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
>
> I don't remember anyone slandering
> Ken Keyes. I do remember a lot of
> people ignoring what you have to
> say about him.
You've got a short memory then because you and Chan definitely slandered
him. You called him "New Age" and made derogatory innuendos about him.
>
>
> >
> > I will post them as replies to this header.
>
> Please don't. I have the strong impression
> that most people here don't give a shit.
Then they would not mind if I posted them, would they?
>
>
> >
> > I think Ken Keyes is a damn nice guy. And I think he has simplified
> > some universal spiritual principals into his own system of thought.
>
> There's no such thing as "universal spiritual
> principles"
Maybe not in your world. But you seem to keep forgetting that things have
existence outside of your world. How is that a sign that you are losing your
sense of self?
> so you can just fuck off about
> it. There is your opinion; which has been
> either ignored or rejected by just about
> everyone here.
>
You all have the right to your opinions.
>
> >
> > I am not pushing his ideas but since people have slandered his name
> > it is perfectly fair for me to post his ideas and let you judge for
> > yourselves.
>
> You are too pushing his ideas.
Nope. I bring up Keyes because he is a frame of reference for me and my
ideas. That's because I have learned a lot from him. But I don't like to quote
the ideas of another person unless I attribute them to that person.
If I was pushing his ideas that would mean I have an expectation or desire
that people *take up* his ideas. I have no such desire or expectation.
But here is where your wacky ideas about Buddhsim can be shown to actually
produce fruit Sphere. One of the main reasons I have to keep continually
bringing up Keyes is because of the slanerous things people have said about
him. Consequently I feel he needs defending. So your own action of slandering
him stirs the pot and begs a response. Then you slander him again when I
respond yo the first slander, and I feel the need to defend him again. Thus a
vicious circle is set into motion, of which you and Chan are the main
instigators Sphere. And it is much more reasonable to defend a person against
slander that is is to slander a person. If you were a true Buddhist, and
trully enlightened you would understand that. But you obviously don't. You
don't seem to realize that it is *your* actions, and the actions of *other
people*, who have also slandered Keyes, which have demanded a response from
me. So if you get tired of me bringing up the subject of Keyes, you have no
one to blame but yourselves. I am merely defending him at this point.
> Like I
> said, the overwhelming evidence is that
> most people here don't give a shit and
> will judge whatever you post as not worth
> reading.
Let them speak for themselves. The last I heard no one had appointed you
group spokesman.
>
>
> >
> > He was not selling anthing but books. You only need buy his books to
> > practice his methods. You need not join anything or accept him as a guru
>
> We also don't need to practice his methods.
Of course not. But there have been implications made that he was a cult
leader, as well as other equally nonsensical crap. Those were damnable lies!
He is nothing of the kind! The above information was just my way of refuting
those ridiculous claims.
Again, if people had not slandered him I would have stopped bringing him up
long ago.
>
> There are some 2500 year old methods which
> work just fine -- tested by time.
Everyone has slightly different needs.
>
>
> > or any of that nonsense.
> > He did offer onsite classes for anyone who could get to Oregon, but
> > there was nothing to be joined. They were classes which taught his
> > methodology; nothing more.
>
> So what?
So he is not a cult leader like some people impled. That was my only point.
And the only reason I posted his stuff at this time is so that everyone
could see for themselves how ridiculous your accusations were that he is
somehow dangerous and needs to be suppressed at all costs. That was just
fantasy on your part and Chan's part. I knew you were only saying those things
to get at me, but you slandered the name of a good man in the process. You
left me no choice but to defend him.
Why is it that you cannot understand simple things like that, epecially
since you claim to be so close to enlightenment. A person does not have to be
a mystic to understand the pricipals I am discussing here. Most of us learned
that kind of stuff, and grew out of that kind of stuff, in junior highschool.
>
>
> --
>
> Sphere.
>
> Little green men who do not exist live under my bed.
.....are starving because Sphere forgets to feed them.
Happy Camper
Son of man wrote:
> I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age flake,
that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was passing
them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them lies!
I knew they did not know anything about Keyes' teachings and were just
making stuff up. I knew they were only trying to get at me, and were going
through Keyes in order to do it. But their innuendos were dead wrong, so I
felt oblidged to defend Keyes against them. And since I was gathering these
links for someone else I decided to post them to the group so everyone could
decide for themselves how "subversive and dangerous" Keyes' ideas are.
Now everyone will be able to see that Chan and Sphere were just being
assholes and slandering an good man who absolutely did not deserve it. I don't
mind if Chan and Sphere they violate their vows of Right Speech when they talk
to me. I acctually think the rough and tumble nature of these groups can
create opportunities to learn. But slandering an innocent man is not an
exception to Right Speech that can be excused. That is just plain wrong in
anyone's book. And it is doubly wrong for a professed follower of the Buddha's
teachings.
Ch'an Fu
Sphere wrote:
we <are> talking to someone who can't grasp
"least hypothesis" here, right?
i'll take a shot at the 'slander' assignment:
kenkeyes is a dead person
who invented and preached new age
pseudo-psychological pseudo-mysticism,
designed to sell books and
make money, to gullible, trendy,
individuals who wanted
to feel good about themselves
by using an easy system of delusion.
ie: a snake oil salesman.
with luck, his estate is not
collecting a dime from the
enterprise.
snakeoil ibid for john clilly, although tank
sales are reported up. perhaps
buyers are storing talking dolphins
in them.
delusion ibid for the UVA professor who
'proved' reincarnation and any who wish
to join him.
eat your heart out, Judge Judy.
Son of man
There's alot of slander going on that's fer damn sure!
Evilyn, norbu, jeffrey, you heard what the man said about correct speech? It
Happy Camper
Son of man wrote:
I can undertsand that people suspend Right Speech in these groups for various
reasons. It can actually make for a good learning environment in certain
respects. So I expect that. But slandering innocent people because they make a
handy weapon to use against an enemy, could not be considered right under any
circumstances, or by anyone's rules.
Ch'an Fu
Happy Camper wrote:
> Sphere wrote:
>
> > Happy Camper wrote:
> > >
> > > People have been slandering the name, character, and teachings of Ken
> > > Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas and
> > > let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he has
> > > recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
> >
> > I don't remember anyone slandering
> > Ken Keyes. I do remember a lot of
> > people ignoring what you have to
> > say about him.
>
> You've got a short memory then because you and Chan definitely slandered
> him. You called him "New Age" and made derogatory innuendos about him.
i just did it again, and they weren't "innuendos".
<decrappitized>
> Again, if people had not slandered him I would have stopped bringing him up
> long ago.
if he brought you to understanding, why would you give two shits what others say
about your hero? i know. do you? do you actually understand what upsets you about
having your idol attacked? a clue: it's the same thing that made you reply
stupidly to Sphere about "paraphrasing the Buddha".
> > There are some 2500 year old methods which
> > work just fine -- tested by time.
>
> Everyone has slightly different needs.
that's not even an answer. are you claiming that kinkeyes'
bullshit is equivalent to buddhist methods and teaches buddhist principles, even
with different names? catfood.
> So he is not a cult leader like some people impled. That was my only point.
really - what's it called? i like "snake-oil salesman".
> And the only reason I posted his stuff at this time is so that everyone
> could see for themselves how ridiculous your accusations were that he is
> somehow dangerous and needs to be suppressed at all costs. That was just
> fantasy on your part and Chan's part. I knew you were only saying those things
> to get at me, but you slandered the name of a good man in the process. You
> left me no choice but to defend him.
regardless of his snake-oil, kinkeyes is eliminated from buddhist
understanding/dharma/upaya by occam's razor. more than thet, he did NOT preach
anatta, anicca, dukka. in fact, quite the opposite.
his crap has nothing to do with buddhism, so it does not belong here.
take it (as i believe Sphere recommended) elsewhere.
> Why is it that you cannot understand simple things like that, epecially
> since you claim to be so close to enlightenment. A person does not have to be
> a mystic to understand the pricipals I am discussing here. Most of us learned
> that kind of stuff, and grew out of that kind of stuff, in junior highschool.
what is this <thing> you have about projecting claims on people? just read what
you said and grow out of it.
Happy Camper
Ch'an Fu wrote:
> we <are> talking to someone who can't grasp
> "least hypothesis" here, right?
>
> i'll take a shot at the 'slander' assignment:
>
> kenkeyes is a dead person
> who invented and preached new age
> pseudo-psychological pseudo-mysticism,
> designed to sell books and
> make money, to gullible, trendy,
> individuals who wanted
> to feel good about themselves
> by using an easy system of delusion.
> ie: a snake oil salesman.
> with luck, his estate is not
> collecting a dime from the
> enterprise.
>
> snakeoil ibid for john clilly, although tank
> sales are reported up. perhaps
> buyers are storing talking dolphins
> in them.
>
> delusion ibid for the UVA professor who
> 'proved' reincarnation and any who wish
> to join him.
>
> eat your heart out, Judge Judy.
I cannot recall the last time I saw a person so openly and unashamedly
wallowing in their own foolishness.
Happy Camper
Ch'an Fu wrote:
> Happy Camper wrote:
>
> > Sphere wrote:
> >
> > > Happy Camper wrote:
> > > >
> > > > People have been slandering the name, character, and teachings of Ken
> > > > Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas and
> > > > let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he has
> > > > recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
> > >
> > > I don't remember anyone slandering
> > > Ken Keyes. I do remember a lot of
> > > people ignoring what you have to
> > > say about him.
> >
> > You've got a short memory then because you and Chan definitely slandered
> > him. You called him "New Age" and made derogatory innuendos about him.
>
> i just did it again, and they weren't "innuendos".
All the more reason your actions beg a response. You created this cycle, not me. I
would have thought your studies of Buddhism would have taught you that much
"I take full responsibility here and now for everything I experience, for
it is my own programming that creates my actions and also influences the
reactions of people around me." --- Ken Keyes Jr.
Stavros of Pureshitland
Tell me does Keyes glow in the dark? It is the only way to know that he is
enlightened
http://members.tripod.com/Anh_Minh/Neonman/neonman.htm
Ch'an Fu
Happy Camper wrote:
easy - just look at your last post.
Ch'an Fu
Happy Camper wrote:
> Ch'an Fu wrote:
>
> > Happy Camper wrote:
> >
> > > Sphere wrote:
> > >
> > > > Happy Camper wrote:
> > > You've got a short memory then because you and Chan definitely slandered
> > > him. You called him "New Age" and made derogatory innuendos about him.
> >
> > i just did it again, and they weren't "innuendos".
>
> All the more reason your actions beg a response. You created this cycle, not me. I
> would have thought your studies of Buddhism would have taught you that much
>
i don't study buddhism, it has taught me nothing at all.
Stavros of Pureshitland
>
>
> Son of man wrote:
>
> > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
>
> Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age
flake,
> that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was
passing
> them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them
lies!
>
>
That is not slander. nor is it lies.
NOUN: 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a
person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
Happy Camper
Ch'an Fu wrote:
For once I agree.
Happy Camper
Ch'an Fu wrote:
Will do.....if you will go look in the mirror.
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> >
> >
> > Son of man wrote:
> >
> > > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
> >
> > Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age
> flake,
> > that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was
> passing
> > them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them
> lies!
> >
> >
>
> That is not slander. nor is it lies.
I know what slander and columny are. I only used the word innuendo because I
don't have a record of the posts in question. So I cannot *prove* slander even
though I know they did far more than make innuendos. But innuendos were also
made all over the place. I knew they could not deny that.
Rob Young
Sphere
And the one before that,
and the one before that,
and the one before that,
and the one before that,
and the one before that,
and the one before that,
and the one before that...
Sphere
What in the fuck is that supposed to mean?
You don't seem to be able to even do a good
flame.
Sphere
Happy Camper wrote:
>
> Son of man wrote:
>
> > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
>
> Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age flake,
New age flake == Happy Camper
> that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was passing
> them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them lies!
I don't give a fuck about this
Keys guy -- you are the messed up
creep who thinks he's the center
of the universe, and it is you I'd
slander. But of course, it is
impossible to slander you. You
don't have a good name to slander.
...
Sphere
This Keys guy has no reputation here.
In law, it is impossible to slander him.
It isn't possible to slander HC either,
because to the extent HC has any sort
of reputation, it is a bad one; which
cannot be injured.
Rob Young
>
> Now everyone will be able to see that Chan and Sphere were just being
> assholes and slandering an good man who absolutely did not deserve it.
er... is it too late for me to get on that list?
--
rob
I really do not expect this post to have any effect.
I wrote it for the glorious fun of writing.
--Stavros of Pureshitland
Sphere
Happy Camper wrote:
>
> Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
>
> > "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> > news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Son of man wrote:
> > >
> > > > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
> > >
> > > Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age
> > flake,
> > > that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was
> > passing
> > > them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them
> > lies!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That is not slander. nor is it lies.
>
> I know what slander and columny are. I only used the word innuendo because I
> don't have a record of the posts in question. So I cannot *prove* slander even
> though I know they did far more than make innuendos. But innuendos were also
> made all over the place. I knew they could not deny that.
Even with whatever posts you cannot prove
slander. There is no good reputation
to injure.
>
> >
> > NOUN: 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a
> > person's reputation.
> > 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
--
Sphere
Rob Young wrote:
>
> "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> >
> > Now everyone will be able to see that Chan and Sphere were just being
> > assholes and slandering an good man who absolutely did not deserve it.
>
> er... is it too late for me to get on that list?
I'll make you an honorary member of the
list, but to become a real member you
have to get the word from Happy Camper.
>
> --
> rob
> I really do not expect this post to have any effect.
> I wrote it for the glorious fun of writing.
> --Stavros of Pureshitland
--
Stavros of Pureshitland
No you do not know. Slander is ORAL. this newsgroup is in writing.
Stavros of Pureshitland
"Rob Young" <ape...@ozz.net> wrote in message
news:EEYE8.47172$Po6....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
Happy Camper does not understand that NewAGE is one word that rhymes with
Sewage. There really is nothing wrong with the New Age teachers, except
they that they like the New Age shallow. Real deep intimacy would have him
and Ken Keyes running out of the campground as fast as they can run. I
really didn't believe this myself until I tried it. It scares the shit out
of them. What I can't understand is why he insists of bringing this
shallow stuff to this newsgroup. There are newsgroups that cater to those
who fear intimacy. They are listed under New Age.
Rob Young
news:t6_E8.37$yf1.9...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Happy Camper does not understand that NewAGE is one word that rhymes with
> Sewage. There really is nothing wrong with the New Age teachers, except
> they that they like the New Age shallow. Real deep intimacy would have him
> and Ken Keyes running out of the campground as fast as they can run. I
> really didn't believe this myself until I tried it. It scares the shit
out
> of them. What I can't understand is why he insists of bringing this
> shallow stuff to this newsgroup. There are newsgroups that cater to those
> who fear intimacy. They are listed under New Age.
jesus! stav is going to get on the list without me!
KEN KEYES SUCKS DUDE!
Happy Camper
Sphere wrote:
> Happy Camper wrote:
> >
> > Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> >
> > > "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Son of man wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
> > > >
> > > > Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age
> > > flake,
> > > > that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was
> > > passing
> > > > them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them
> > > lies!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > That is not slander. nor is it lies.
> >
> > I know what slander and columny are. I only used the word innuendo because I
> > don't have a record of the posts in question. So I cannot *prove* slander even
> > though I know they did far more than make innuendos. But innuendos were also
> > made all over the place. I knew they could not deny that.
>
> Even with whatever posts you cannot prove
> slander. There is no good reputation
> to injure.
Are you saying that Ken Keyes doesn't have a good reputation? If you arem that's a
lie.
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
Okay, libel.
It's easy to forget this is writing. It seems more like talking to me.
Klaus schmetterling
> Changing Levels of Consciousness (article by Ken Keyes, Jr.)
> At his death, Ken was the
> founding director of the Caring Rapid Healing Center
> in Coos Bay, Oregon.
Where did the Caring Rapid Healing go wrong? Or was the scheming
vice-director of the Caring Rapid Healing Center behind it?
Stavros of Pureshitland
> "Stavros of Pureshitland" <so_...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:t6_E8.37$yf1.9...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > Happy Camper does not understand that NewAGE is one word that rhymes
with
> > Sewage. There really is nothing wrong with the New Age teachers,
except
> > they that they like the New Age shallow. Real deep intimacy would have
him
> > and Ken Keyes running out of the campground as fast as they can run. I
> > really didn't believe this myself until I tried it. It scares the shit
> out
> > of them. What I can't understand is why he insists of bringing this
> > shallow stuff to this newsgroup. There are newsgroups that cater to
those
> > who fear intimacy. They are listed under New Age.
>
> jesus! stav is going to get on the list without me!
>
>
I cannot resist being on a shit list.
Stavros of Pureshitland
"Ch'an Fu" <r...@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:3CE4190C...@operamail.com...
>
>
> Sphere wrote:
>
> > Happy Camper wrote:
> > >
Ken
> > > Keyes, and unjustifiably so, so I am going to post some of his ideas
and
> > > let people decide for themselves if he deserved the demonization he
has
> > > recieved in these groups. I think some appologies are in order
> >
> > Ken Keyes. I do remember a lot of
> > people ignoring what you have to
> > say about him.
> >
> > >
> >
> > that most people here don't give a shit.
> >
> > >
> > > I think Ken Keyes is a damn nice guy. And I think he has simplified
> > > some universal spiritual principals into his own system of thought.
> >
> > principles" so you can just fuck off about
> > it. There is your opinion; which has been
> > either ignored or rejected by just about
> > everyone here.
> >
> > >
> > > I am not pushing his ideas but since people have slandered his name
> > > it is perfectly fair for me to post his ideas and let you judge for
> > > yourselves.
> >
> > said, the overwhelming evidence is that
> > most people here don't give a shit and
> > will judge whatever you post as not worth
> > reading.
> >
> > >
> > > He was not selling anthing but books. You only need buy his books
to
> > > practice his methods. You need not join anything or accept him as a
guru
> >
> > There are some 2500 year old methods which
> > work just fine -- tested by time.
> >
> > > He did offer onsite classes for anyone who could get to Oregon, but
> > > there was nothing to be joined. They were classes which taught his
> > > methodology; nothing more.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sphere.
> >
> > Little green men who do not exist live under my bed.
>
> "least hypothesis" here, right?
>
> i'll take a shot at the 'slander' assignment:
>
> kenkeyes is a dead person
> who invented and preached new age
> pseudo-psychological pseudo-mysticism,
He shall rise again from the dead!
Happy Camper
Sphere wrote:
> Happy Camper wrote:
> >
> > Son of man wrote:
> >
> > > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
> >
> > Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age flake,
>
> New age flake == Happy Camper
Unenlightened Phoney == Sphere
>
>
> > that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was passing
> > them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them lies!
>
> I don't give a fuck about this
> Keys guy
Then why do you spread lies about him?
> -- you are the messed up
> creep who thinks he's the center
> of the universe,
Nosense, I merely respect his ideas and think they apply very well to
spiritual practice and the goal of transcending desires.
> and it is you I'd
> slander.
That would be fine if you would stop at slandering me. But you have shown that
you are willing to slander innocent people in your vain attempt to hurt me. That
is not Right Speech by any stretch of the imagination.
> But of course, it is
> impossible to slander you. You
> don't have a good name to slander.
My name is just a handle or a label.
Stavros of Pureshitland
I would say that this guy is as thick as shit.
Ch'an Fu
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
coprolite.
pure n' simple...
well, simple, anyway...
Happy Camper
Ch'an Fu wrote:
Off the rack flames. And you've use that one on me before Chan. Have you
gotten to the bottom of your little dittybag of insults?
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> "Rob Young" <ape...@ozz.net> wrote in message
> news:EEYE8.47172$Po6....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> > news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> > >
> > > Now everyone will be able to see that Chan and Sphere were just being
> > > assholes and slandering an good man who absolutely did not deserve it.
> >
> > er... is it too late for me to get on that list?
> >
> > --
> > rob
> > I really do not expect this post to have any effect.
> > I wrote it for the glorious fun of writing.
> > --Stavros of Pureshitland
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Happy Camper does not understand that NewAGE is one word that rhymes with
> Sewage.
Is your blind hatred of people you don't even know something you leanred from
the Buddha's teachings? If so I think you need to rethink your interpretation of
them or else fire your guru.
> There really is nothing wrong with the New Age teachers, except
> they that they like the New Age shallow.
You are generalizing.
"To generalize is to be an idiot." --- William Blake
> Real deep intimacy would have him
> and Ken Keyes running out of the campground as fast as they can run.
You are speaking of a hypothetical, and extremely vague, scenario and you are
speculating on the reaction of a man, Ken Keyes, that you have never met and
probably know absolutely nothing about. Is this something you learned from your
Buddhist teacher? Is this Buddhism for you?
> I
> really didn't believe this myself until I tried it. It scares the shit out
> of them. What I can't understand is why he insists of bringing this
> shallow stuff to this newsgroup.
Either explain what you think is shallow about Ken Keyes' teachings or admit
that you don't have a clue what his teachings are all about.
> There are newsgroups that cater to those
> who fear intimacy. They are listed under New Age.
idiot
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
Hmm, people who call themselves Buddhists are willing to defacate on the
life's work of a sincere seeker and well-respected man, just so that they can
get on some kind of imaginary list?
Yup. That sounds like what I would have guessed their idea of Right Speech
would be.
Happy Camper
Sphere wrote:
> Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> >
> > "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> > news:3CE3B25E...@playground.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Son of man wrote:
> > >
> > > > I never heard anyone slander him. What newsgroups are you talking about?
> > >
> > > Shere and Chan made all kinds of innuendos: that he was a New Age
> > flake,
> > > that he was a cult leader, that he stole the Buddha's ideas and was
> > passing
> > > them of as his own, that his ideas were dangerous, etc.---all of them
> > lies!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That is not slander. nor is it lies.
> > NOUN: 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a
> > person's reputation.
> > 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
>
> This Keys guy has no reputation here.
> In law, it is impossible to slander him.
It doesn't matter Sphere. It is the intent and the harm that you are ignoring.
Some example you are.
Stavros of Pureshitland
Stavros of Pureshitland
What well respected nasm?
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
What's a nasm?
Stavros of Pureshitland
Stavros of Pureshitland
Ken Wrote:
A loving person lives in a loving world.
A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
Everyone you meet is your mirror.
This means Shere, Chu'an and myself are reflexions of you Do you want to
masturbate now or later?
Ch'an Fu
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
can i have his liver?
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
No it doesn't. How did you get that?
Rob Young
>
> Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> >
> > Ken Wrote:
> >
> > A loving person lives in a loving world.
> > A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
> > Everyone you meet is your mirror.
> >
> > This means Shere, Chu'an and myself are reflexions of you
>
> No it doesn't. How did you get that?
*sigh*
Stavros of Pureshitland
Are you drinking again?
Stavros of Pureshitland
How about that you can't even understand a shallow new ager. Is there any
hope?
Bill Pfeifer
>
>
> Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
> >
> >
> > A loving person lives in a loving world.
> > A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
> > Everyone you meet is your mirror.
> >
> > This means Shere, Chu'an and myself are reflexions of you
>
> No it doesn't. How did you get that?
Yes it does. How did you not get that?
Stavros of Pureshitland
>
>
>Blah blah
> Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
>Blah Blha
>
I've been around the New Age and I have been around the Occult. once you go
deep you realize how shallow the other is. Let me give you an example. In
our performances we first place the audience in a trance. A group of us
Naked and body painted dance according to a rhythmic music. It goes on and
on. In order to enter the trance you have to go through the boredom.
Usually during the boredom stage the New age people get up and leave. It
never fails. what they do is take the occult and white wash it. They turn
sex magic in to pushing buttons without achieving the intimacy needed for
it. I had a new age girlfriend who handed me a New Age book on intimacy. In
her second breathe she complained that when we go into foreplay I get this
child like quality that makes her uncomfortable. She wants me to stop that
and at the same time she was asking that I learn intimacy.
In our performances once we have the audience in the trance state we take
them on an unbelievable trip. When they come out of it at the end which
often lasts until 4 or 6AM they are very happy and thank us. They have
experienced magic. For the New age it is just a word. Don't just take our
word for it. ask any native American what the difference is between their
rituals and the way the new age practices it. They have a good time but the
miss the magic.The reason they do this is because they fear that level. It
scares the shit out of them so they tame it and taming it they lose the
magic. There are many things that you cannot learn from a book. many
things need to be experienced. Until you experience it, you will not really
know what the hell I am talking about. but those who have had the
experience know very well that it is something that the new age cannot
achieve. It is like comparing Bernie to Mother Theresa. Both claim to be
Christians.
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
Look moron. It doesn't mean that You, Sphere, and Chan *are* reflections of
me. You, Sphere, and Chan are who you are. I am who I am.
It means two things: whatever attitude and behavior you exhibit to the people
around you will probably be reflected back at you, and however you see the
world, whether you are right or wrong, will tend to be confirmed by your
preconcieved notions.
It does not mean that you *are* reflections of me. It means that I get
reflections of myself *from* you just as you get reflections of yourself from
me.
If I change my attituded and behavior I also change my environment because
other people's attitudes and behavior will tend to reflect those changes. And if
my attitude and expectations about other people change, it will change how I see
them. Thus changing my view of reality will change my experience in those two
ways.
There is nothing new age or controversial about that. You show your
narrow-mindedness by trying to make the concept "new age". I believe the
Buddha's own teachings would confirm the concept. And a third meaning could be
drawn if a person believes in what the Buddha says about karma, although Keyes
does not focus on this aspect. That is that your *karma* can come back to you
from any direction. But that is not part of Ken Keyes teachings. He doesn't
discount it. He just doesn't focus on it.
Rob Young
>
> Look moron.
Stavros of Pureshitland
Rob can comunicate without saying a word.
Happy Camper
Stavros of Pureshitland wrote:
Just like magic. He's just so.......um.......so cosmic in that
regard.
Rob Young
Rob Young
>
> Just like magic. He's just so.......um.......so cosmic in that
> regard.
:) :) :)
<bows to Cosmic Camper>
Stavros of Pureshitland
> "Happy Camper" <hpy...@playground.net> wrote in message
> news:3CE63CC1...@playground.net...
> >
> > Just like magic. He's just so.......um.......so cosmic in that
> > regard.
>
> :) :) :)
>
> <bows to Cosmic Camper>
>
> --
I was dancing lat night and saw another example of the new age and the real
thing. A woman showed me that she was not sexy without saying a word. Many
of the Asian women who come dancing wear the sexiest dresses. When they spin
there short skirts rise up exposing their panties. Last night I saw a
couple that were trying to dress sexy. He was dress like a French sailor and
she wore an outfit that mimic what the Asian girls wear. The difference is
that instead of a skirt she it was really shorts. I think that they call hem
gauchos. The idea is that when she pins the panties don't show. Like the
new age she was trying to be sexy and missed the essential sexiness. The
shallow imitation sucked.
Happy Camper. Go get a sexy skirt and spin infront of a mirror.
annap...@gmail.com
Thanks for the information. I still find the occasional person
to teach by the methods.
I did have a chart from Cornu, which had the actual specific emotions
for each centre, and can't find it anwhere...do you have a copy?
Thanks in advance.
Annapurna McQueen
