Taheri - fogotten by the AO?
Freethought110
are glaringly obvious to any objective outside observer. However, it is a
classic example of the internal power struggles raging in the Baha'i AO and
indicative of all that is seriously wrong with the Administrative Faith,
inc. It is not the first and will not be the last episode in a string of
bungled botch up jobs of the Baha'i administration with Iranian Baha'is,
politics and Iranians in general. The AO has traditionally had problems
dealing with all three. There is simply too much at stake for various
factions and each is trying to manouevre around the other three issues with
an eye on the big prize. They are fully aware that despite their huge
investment in teaching the "Faith" to Eastern Europeans, Indians in the
subcontinent, the Chinese and Pacific Islanders their best teaching drive
can be acheived with the minimum of fuss in the post-IR Iran. The
comprehensive defeat of their teaching efforts in the former Soviet bloc
countries and the failure of the never materializing "Entry by Troops" (now
decades old) has given weight to the argument held by many of these
millenarian fools that Iran holds the key to any significant inroads for the
Baha'i faith. This view is held by the faction in charge of the NITV
affair - with Councellor G at its helm who is pushing the agenda for cozying
up with Reza Pahlavi and his satellite organisations and broadcast networks.
The other faction are the Westoxicated/gharbzadeh Iranians and their
non-Iranian Baha'i enforcers. I choose to call them the R faction. Utterly
opposed to any vestige of Persian culture and heritage, these middle
managers see the Iranian heritage of the Baha'i faith as a liability and
resort to extreme measures to delete all linkages. Measures like banning the
picture of `Abd'ul Baha from Baha'i Centres, tossing out people like Taheri
and banning the Iranian Baha'is from congregating in major cities are
endemic of the policies pursued by this faction. The R faction is presently
in charge of Australia and has comprehensively beaten their local
competitor, whereas the G faction has been in charge of the US Baha'i
administration for some time. But the tides are begning to shift, twist and
turn. The R faction are now openly moving against the G faction for "causing
disrepute to the faith". G is not quiet and is likewise using the Taheri
affair to pull down the R faction. Both factions are lead by the "Learned
Branch" and have a following from within the elected NSAs of their
respective countries. Both factions are at odds with regard to the Iran
issue and extremely naive in political wheeling and dealing, namely because
both publically denounce "partisan involvement in politics" and practice it
in disguise under the banner of "external affairs" or "public relations":
this, while admitting their connections to NITV they cannot formulate a
coherent response as to "why" when called on the floor by the likes of yours
truly.
My contacts at the External Affairs offices in at least two countries
confirm the heavy power struggle that are currently going on between the two
factions behind the glossy PR brochures and public meetings. What is
disconcerting is that they have totally misunderstood the concept of
"non-involvement in politics." They have turned it into a disguised form of
"external affairs", concealing their political wheelings and dealings from
the rank and file, all the while making connections with ultra-right wing
political organizations (i.e. Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, Idi Amin and Pinochet
in the 70's, Pauline Hanson, Phillip Ruddock and Reza Pahlavi since, ad
nauseum). It is only during the NITV affair that the real picture begins to
emerge. The G faction have willingly jumped into bed with the Monarchists
officially since March 2002. At the same time the R faction have moved to
expel the likes of Taheri for merely reading poetry in a cable public access
community television program.
More on this later ...
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
Jeremiah
Nima - Sounds like a pretty fair assessment...and it does seem very
twisted as you pointed out. So most of the American Baha'is belong to
the G group. Do you think that the Baha'i Faith could regain it's
Westernized claim as a 'Universal Relgion' for all who dwell on earth
or will it keep the Eastern profile? In your opinion if it does evolve
past the present profile will it be able to purge itself of the
imported Catholic/Anglican superimposed attitudes? Where's the middle
ground on this?
Jeremiah
news:<newscache$k0wp3h$mi3$1...@elise.onthenet.com.au>...
Dermod Ryder
"Jeremiah" <Jere...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:3bf0bb0d.02100...@posting.google.com...Hi Jeremiah,
> Nima - Sounds like a pretty fair assessment...and it does seem very
> twisted as you pointed out. So most of the American Baha'is belong
to
> the G group. Do you think that the Baha'i Faith could regain it's
> Westernized claim as a 'Universal Relgion' for all who dwell on
earth
> or will it keep the Eastern profile? In your opinion if it does
evolve
> past the present profile will it be able to purge itself of the
> imported Catholic/Anglican superimposed attitudes? Where's the
middle
> ground on this?
The time for the BF to blaze a trail in society is long gone - it has
barely kept up with a changing society never mind get ahead of it.
And it is undeniably internally sectionalised, factionalised and
downright decrepit and out of touch with reality. In short the Ark is
in need of a major refit if it is to attract passengers.
The middle ground you enquire about lies in the concept of
confederation. Each country has to develop its own distinct version
of the BF suited to the temperament of the natives but confederated
within the whole. It's similar in concept to the Irish/American
idea - American first but also Irish in heritage, culture and
sentiment. Selling "eastern" religion in this country is difficult -
there is an inherent distrust of the East due in no small measure to
the various imported gurus who have, over the years, displayed less
spirituality than a liking for the venalities of occidental society.
Selling a religion which comes from the east but has developed a
distinctive and undeniable Irish identity, which recognises and
accepts the foibles of Irish society, would not present quite the same
difficulties. We're a contrary folk - why, having discarded foreign
control of our destiny, should we allow another alien body assume
absolute authority over us?
Last night on local TV I watched a guy born in India who has lived
most of his life here, and speaks with a local accent, describe
himself, amidst much laughter, as "Northern Irish." He has the right
idea - has adopted (and been adopted by) the country he lives in yet
retains his cultural heritage. During my brief stay within Haifan
ranks I was totally pissed by Persian immigrants who arrogantly
asserted that theirs was a superior understanding of Bahai. I think
that attitude still prevails and, IMO, is a contributing factor to the
fact that the BF has not grown. It is an alien body that refuses to
acquire or come to an accommodation with the identity shared by the
natives.
To change that, the House needs to relinquish power and become less of
a commanding and controlling body. Power needs to be returned to the
people!
Dermod.
Freethought110
anyone.
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021010155900...@mb-fp.aol.com...
>Nima - Sounds like a pretty fair assessment...and it does seem very
>twisted as you pointed out.
On the contrary, it is pure fantasy. The Counselor who Nima is apparently
suggesting is calling the shots in the US Baha'i Administration doesn't not
even live in the US, nor does he have much influence with the NSA so far as
I
can tell. Furthermore I'm fairly certain that the US NSA (which doesn't
currently have a single Iranian member) knew nothing about this broadcast as
Persian media had been turned over to a committee that operated
independently.
And during most of this controversy 'Counselor G' has been off traveling in
China, not playing these games Nima is associating with him.
warmest, Susan
Susan Maneck
Associate Professor of History
Jackson State University
Freethought110
Dermod Ryder
> Really? How come we have concrete information saying otherwise.
Cos she's talking tosh as usual? Perhaps? Maybe? Definitely?
Looks as if the Curse of the Reaper has struck again! It seems her
messages are being blocked by my server and are not coming through.
Well! Let's face it! My server has enough inherent good taste to
block this nasty piece of work.
Dermod.
Rabia1844
>
>Cos she's talking tosh as usual? Perhaps? Maybe? Definitely?
There is only one Iranian Counsellor in North American whose name starts with
"G." It doesn't take a genious to figure out who he is talking about.
Freethought110
doctor seems to be under the impression that 'gaf' and 'ghaf' and 'ghain'
are the same letter of the Arabic alphabet. So who do you think I am talking
about?
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Rabia1844" <rabi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Pat Kohli
Freethought110 wrote:
> Also how do you know which Counsellors I am talking about? I didn't name
> anyone.
>
Dear Nima,
In the root message on this thread you referred to Councellor G (sic); Susan
refers to Counselor G. The fact that you both mis-spelled "Counsellor", but in
different ways, does not mean that you refer to anyone else.
Try not to be such a twit if you are going to discuss something.
>
>
> "Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20021010155900...@mb-fp.aol.com...
>
>
> On the contrary, it is pure fantasy. The Counselor who Nima is apparently
> suggesting is calling the shots in the US Baha'i Administration doesn't not
> even live in the US, nor does he have much influence with the NSA so far as
> I
> can tell. Furthermore I'm fairly certain that the US NSA (which doesn't
> currently have a single Iranian member) knew nothing about this broadcast as
> Persian media had been turned over to a committee that operated
> independently.
> And during most of this controversy 'Counselor G' has been off traveling in
> China, not playing these games Nima is associating with him.
Sweet dreams,
- Pat
ko...@ameritel.net
Freethought110
it.
cultist wanna cracker?
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Pat Kohli" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
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Jeremiah
<To change that, the House needs to relinquish power and become less
of
a commanding and controlling body. Power needs to be returned to the
people!>
Yeah sounds good, but how and why would they do this? Like the p's in
charge (hijackers) really care what happens to the Faith when it
offers, power, position, palaces, perks, presents, pay-off's,
partys-politics, pray-tell?
Well as long as there is one true believer the Faith has a chance so
the saying goes. Too bad you kicked butt and got rid of all the other
sects - how are we going to have unity in diversity this way?
Actually your vision works - so who knows what will happen at the end
of the day?
Jeremiah
Dermod Ryder
>
> There is only one Iranian Counsellor in North American whose name
starts with
> "G."
Would this be Counsellor Gorgonzola?
>It doesn't take a genious to figure out who he is talking about.
Or a "genius" either.
Susan Maneck
>In the root message on this thread you referred to Councellor G (sic); Susan
>refers to Counselor G.
Dear Pat,
He has given out enough hints about the other Counsellor as well. His earlier
posts indicated that he was out to get a female Counsellor living in Australia
of Iranian descent. And in that last post he revealed that her initials was
"R." That description only fits one Counsellor. As for Counsellor "G" well
besides the first initial, there is only one Iranian Counsellor in the entire
Americas so far as I know. In any case, as the letter National wrote me
indicates I had made inquries to Counsellor Ghadirian in regards to NITV. He
was just leaving for China at the time, and if he knew anything at all about
the broadcast he sure didn't indicate it.
As for how Nima got a hold of my letter from National, now that is an
interesting question. But last week the Baha'i Studies list was spammed with
numerous messages all containing viruses. It is quite possible that these were
trojans intended to compromise my system and that one of them succeeded. As you
know Nima enjoys doing to others whatever he imagines they are doing to him.
Dermod Ryder
> As for how Nima got a hold of my letter from National, now that is
an
> interesting question. But last week the Baha'i Studies list was
spammed with
> numerous messages all containing viruses. It is quite possible that
these were
> trojans intended to compromise my system and that one of them
succeeded. As you
> know Nima enjoys doing to others whatever he imagines they are doing
to him.
More tosh from the DST! The message came from Wilmette and that is
all I'm prepared to say on the matter.
Dermod Ryder
> As for how Nima got a hold of my letter from National, now that is
an
> interesting question. But last week the Baha'i Studies list was
spammed with
> numerous messages all containing viruses. It is quite possible that
these were
> trojans intended to compromise my system and that one of them
succeeded. As you
> know Nima enjoys doing to others whatever he imagines they are doing
to him.
That was one hell of a Trojan that infiltrated your hard drive,
selected this one message and sent it out. Unless of course it was a
Trojan that sent out the entire contents of your hard drive ..... Now
that would make interesting reading!
Freethought110
yourselves have made *in* the Baha'i community itself. Haven't you been
listening to anything I have been saying for the past couple of months?
The source for this letter is none other than Wilmette, Bobalongs fiefdom.
And none of you will ever guess who it was who sent it :)
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021011163806...@mb-fo.aol.com...
Freethought110
eternal words of Malcolm X, "the chikens are [finally] coming home to
roost."
Tis the season to be jolly!
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
triple-cross-man himself, Counselor 'G'.
Cheers, Randy
--
Freethought110 <Freetho...@bohemian.org> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
Studies?
Randy
--
Susan Maneck <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dermod Ryder
"Randy Burns" <randy....@gte.net> wrote in message
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> I have every confidence to reveal that the true source was the
> triple-cross-man himself, Counselor 'G'.
NOT GODZILLA!?!
The saints preserve us!
Dermod Ryder
"Freethought110" <Freetho...@bohemian.org> wrote in message
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you
> yourselves have made *in* the Baha'i community itself. Haven't you
been
> listening to anything I have been saying for the past couple of
months?
>
> The source for this letter is none other than Wilmette, Bobalongs
fiefdom.
> And none of you will ever guess who it was who sent it :)
C'mon now Freethought! I told you under no circumstances to even hint
that Bobalong himself had sent it as part of a penitential rite to
endeavour to acquire membership in the organisation
Susan Maneck
>I think everybody got those last week.
Dear Randy,
Well, I remember two weeks ago Nima was accusing Baha'is of sending viruses to
his email. Now he says he wants to sue me for suggesting what he might have
tried to get revenge for what he imagined we were doing. Go figure.
Did you post the letter on Baha'is
>Studies?
No, and if I had it would have been a matter of public record.
Susan Maneck
>I have every confidence to reveal that the true source was the
>triple-cross-man himself, Counselor 'G'.
>
LOL. Except he is off in China right now and I don't think he has much interest
in corresponding with Nima in any case.
Freethought110
yourself in more hot water.
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021011230229...@mb-md.aol.com...
Dermod Ryder
> >
> >I have every confidence to reveal that the true source was the
> >triple-cross-man himself, Counselor 'G'.
> >
>
> LOL. Except he is off in China right now and I don't think he has
much interest
> in corresponding with Nima in any case.
Thar' she blows again, me hearties! Makin' the same mistaken
assumption as before that the leak necessarily first went to Nima.
Shiver me timbers! That DST will never larn anythin' so long as she
has me kill-filed! Now, none of you lads and lasses be a runnin' along
and tellin' 'er! She be happier in her ignorance! We'd all hate to
see the pressure relief valve on the DST blow off - it makes a
terrible mess!
Meanwhile back in China, Counsellor Godzilla heard distant rumours of
a dull rumble in Jackson. Good ventriloquist that he was, his arms
were not long enough to work the strings on the puppet and his ears
strained to hear the cause of the rumble. It was faint but distinct
... "NITV" it went on and on!
"Zabriskie! Gadzooks!" quoth the ventriloquist, "Shut the puppet up
at once!" And Bobalong saw to it, that it was done at once, but not
by him!
"Oh dear" spluttered the DST. "My computer has been hacked - my
messages read all over the place. 'Tis the Greeks and their damned
horse! What can I do???????" And she rent her clothes and poured
ashes all over herself!
(cont'd at P456)
Sekhmet
>Thar' she blows again, me hearties! Makin' the same mistaken
>assumption as before that the leak necessarily first went to Nima.
Is that speculation, or an admission that the original leak went to you?
>Shiver me timbers! That DST will never larn anythin' so long as she
>has me kill-filed! Now, none of you lads and lasses be a runnin' along
>and tellin' 'er! She be happier in her ignorance! We'd all hate to
>see the pressure relief valve on the DST blow off - it makes a
>terrible mess!
She'll find out anyway, as soon as she checks in under her other screen name.
--Sekhmet
[snipped interesting fantasy/horror tale]
Pat Kohli
Freethought110 wrote:
> More libel. Do you have an attorney? Seek their advice NOW before putting
> yourself in more hot water.
>
See a Doctor NOW before your Alzheimers is so bad you can't remember your name.
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It would seem that the Baha'is are really desirious to keep me from exposing
more of their shennanigans. I have been receiving virus after virus
(something like 20+ in the last 24 hours) into my personal mailbox from
several different addresses. A definite sign of desperation. Fortunately for
me, and unfortunately for these Baha'i cyberterrorists, I have three
different anti-virus applications as well as a couple of different firewall
applications running on my computer so these viruses are preempted before
even doing anything of the remotest significance.
I have reported the incidents to my IP and they will be tracking the Baha'i
al-Qa'eda back to their source.
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=newscache%24cpxv1h%24bj%241%40elise.onthenet.com.au
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I posted them with the National Crime Authority of Australia and they know
exactly were it came from, Dr Maniac ;-P
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl766547513d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=newscache%24aoq83h%24ngs1%241%40elise.onthenet.com.au
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Freethought110
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
"Pat Kohli" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
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Dermod Ryder
"Sekhmet" <sekhm...@aol.com.nz> wrote in message
news:20021012014418...@mb-fa.aol.com...
> Dermod wrote:
> >Thar' she blows again, me hearties! Makin' the same mistaken
> >assumption as before that the leak necessarily first went to Nima.
>
> Is that speculation, or an admission that the original leak went to
you?
And sure wouldn't you all love to know, not only who was the lucky
recipient of the lovely leak but from whence and whom it came! But
since he/she who leaked my posts to Foster never owned up you'll just
have to keep guessing!
>
> >Shiver me timbers! That DST will never larn anythin' so long as
she
> >has me kill-filed! Now, none of you lads and lasses be a runnin'
along
> >and tellin' 'er! She be happier in her ignorance! We'd all hate
to
> >see the pressure relief valve on the DST blow off - it makes a
> >terrible mess!
>
> She'll find out anyway, as soon as she checks in under her other
screen name.
Yeah but does she do her own stunts?
> [snipped interesting fantasy/horror tale]
Spoilsport!
Dermod.
Pat Kohli
Freethought110 wrote:
> Go take a walk on the beach looking at those parrots and birds ;-P
>
Yeah, I just came back from a walk with the dog. We'd had rain for a few days
and had been taking shorter walks. She has a long thick coat and it does not dry
so easily. So, this morning we went for the usual walk.
On that walk, when I figured out how you could have gotten the Rouleau letter
from me, I said to myself, 'well that is pretty resourceful'. Be that as it
may, where is this other letter, the one that will shut me up?
Maybe you could go for a walk on the beach, and one of the other parrots will
tell you a new angle to spin NITV? Perhaps Ghain Firouzi places 60 minutes of
the same commercial back to back and schedules it as a one hour show. Viewers
object and complain to the FCC. Your pal Darazi gets the FCC copy complete with
a full minute of Ghain's commercial - all part of the bad bad bahai conspiracy.
Oh, no interest in undermining the AO, in that one, no extreme malcontents at
the BNC, ooops, bbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttttttt, please play again later!
Keep coming back!
- Pat
ko...@ameritel.net
Sekhmet
>Sekhmet wrote:
>> Is that speculation, or an admission that the original leak went to
>you?
>
>And sure wouldn't you all love to know, not only who was the lucky
>recipient of the lovely leak but from whence and whom it came! But
>since he/she who leaked my posts to Foster never owned up you'll just
>have to keep guessing!
Rats!
BTW, I never have heard what all that was about, the thing with Mark Foster and
your posts. Care to enlighten me sometime? (you can do so privately, if you
feel like it, by removing the ".nz" spam blocker from my email addy).
[snip]
>> [snipped interesting fantasy/horror tale]
>
>Spoilsport!
Well, at least I said it was interesting! ;-)
--Sekhmet
Dermod Ryder
> Rats!
> BTW, I never have heard what all that was about, the thing with Mark
Foster and
> your posts. Care to enlighten me sometime? (you can do so privately,
if you
> feel like it, by removing the ".nz" spam blocker from my email
addy).
I'll look out the stuff and forward it to you in the next day or so.
> [snip]
> >> [snipped interesting fantasy/horror tale]
> >
> >Spoilsport!
>
> Well, at least I said it was interesting! ;-)
I'll let you away with that!
Dermod.
Sekhmet
Okay, thanks!
Freethought110
--
Freethought110
...The human family will never make the journey to wisdom while chained to
the dogma of zealots.
If the good, the tolerant, the compassionate and god-free do not speak up
soon, evil is going to win.
--Tim Akey (TIME Magazine, September 23, 2002)
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