At peace in a country churchyard
Baldrick
A year ago today, David Kelly took his final walk. He now rests near
the family home, but fellow villagers feel no closure. Paul Vallely
reports
17 July 2004
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=541873
Cal E. Rollins
Don't you imagine the UK NSA has told the Baha'i Community in Dave
Kelly's town not to listen to the gossip and to go ahead living their
lives as though nothing ever happened? It seems to me ignoring reality
is the way for all those folk to forget he was ever a Baha'i, don't you?
Did they give him a stone with the Greatest Name on it? If not, then
nobody will remember he made the Faith look bad for a moment. --Cal
Baldrick
Rollins at crol...@webtv.net wrote on 21/7/04 8:08 pm:
Cal, I wonder will Dr Kelly ever be added to the list of famous
Baha'is.
They have even named Queen marie of Romania below and all she did was
have a cup of tea with martha Root and wrote her a nice letter saying
she thought baha'u'llah must have been a nice guy. So they decided she
was a bahia and her photograph has hung in UHJ building in Haifa ever
since.
I bet Dr Kelly's photograph aint hanging on any House members office
wall
Baldrick
Famous Baha'is
* Bahá'u'lláh - founder and Prophet of the Baha'i Faith
* 'Abdu'l-Bahá - son and successor of Bahá'u'lláh, "Center of the
Covenant"
* Shoghi Effendi - the Guardian (leader after 'Abdu'l-Bahá)
* Lydia Zamenhof - daughter of Ludwig Lazarus Zamenhof, the
originator of Esperanto; promoter and user of Esperanto and translator
of many Baha'i writings; a.k.a. Lidia Zamenhof
* Martha Root - celebrated Baha'i speaker, world traveller, and
Esperantist
* Dizzy Gillespie - Jazz musician (trumpet player)
* Jim Seals and Dash Crofts - "Seals & Crofts" songwriting/musician
duo (soft rock); best known for "Summer Breeze" and "Get Closer";
Also: "We May Never Pass This Way Again"
* Dan Seals - country and western singer
* Francin Astani - French pianist
* Marc Ochu - classical pianist
* Kevin Locke - Native Amerian hoop dancer
* David Kelly - British Ministry of Defence (MoD); expert in
biological warfare; former UN weapons inspector in Iraq; uncovered
Iraq's former biological weapons program; Nobel Peace Prize nominee
* Queen Marie of Romania
* King Malietoa Tanumafili II of Western Samoa
* Cynthia Shepard Perry - US Ambassador to Sierra Leone, West
Africa and Burundi during Bush administration
* Richard St. Barbe-Baker - world-famous environmentalist; founder
of "The Men of the Trees"
* August Forel - scientist; b. 1848; remembered primarily for
studies of social behavior of ants and other insects; published
studies in legal psychiatry, mental health
* Alain Locke - American philosopher; multiculturalist; listed in
The Black 100 as the 36th most influential African American in history
* Robert Hayden - poet; first black American to be appointed as
Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress (later called the Poet
Laureate)
* Roger White - poet (Another Song, Another Season: Poems and
Portrayals; Occasions of Grace: More Poems and Portrayals and The
Witness of Pebbles )
* Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff - fantasy novelist
* Juliet Thompson - American playwright and author; wrote "I,
Magdalene"
* Mark Tobey - renowned abstract painter; founder of the "New York
School" of abstract painting (according to Woodman)
* Roger Bansemer - artist
* Bernard Leach - preeminent British potter
* Ashraf Geibatov - Azerbaijani painter
* Sara Hatch - artist
* William Sutherland Maxwell was one of Canada's premier architects
and a leading figure in the arts societies of Montreal
* Cathy Freeman - Olympic gold medal-winning runner; star of 2000
Summer Olympics in Sydney, Australia; an Aboriginal Australian and
advocate of Aboriginal rights
* Alex Rocco - actor ("The Godfather"; "The Wedding Planner", etc.)
* Lois Hall - actress
* Eva La Rue - actress
* Oscar DeGruy - actor
* Phillip Hinton - Australian actor; American exposure includes
guest roles in The Flood, The Thornbirds - the Missing Years, Tanker
Incident, Time Trax and Flipper
* Beverley Evans - Australian actor; has had regular roles in
Australian series A Country Practice, Blue Heelers, Janus, Phoenix and
Mercury
Susan Maneck
>> Don't you imagine the UK NSA has told the Baha'i Community in Dave
>> Kelly's town
There isn't a Baha'i community in Dave Kelly's town.
>> Did they give him a stone with the Greatest Name on it? If not, then
>> nobody will remember he made the Faith look bad for a moment.
You seem to be as good at pissing on a dead man's grave as George is. What kind
of scum makes jokes about a tragedy like this? It's his family's business what
kind of headstone he has. As for making the Faith look bad, I know at Oxford at
least they were having about fifty non-Baha'is show up at each of their
meetings for a while following his death, not that they would have wanted to
get attention that way. The Baha'i community mourns David Kelly's tragic death.
We are not ashamed of him.
George writes;
>They have even named Queen marie of Romania below and all she did was
>have a cup of tea with martha Root and wrote her a nice letter saying
>she thought baha'u'llah must have been a nice guy.
All she did? She wrote quite a lot about the Baha'i Faith and corresponded
regularly with both Martha Root and the Guardian. She even set out for
pilgrimage but was forced to turn back.
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Baldrick
at sma...@aol.com wrote on 21/7/04 9:11 pm:
>> They have even named Queen marie of Romania below and all she did
was
>> have a cup of tea with martha Root and wrote her a nice letter
saying
>> she thought baha'u'llah must have been a nice guy.
>
> All she did? She wrote quite a lot about the Baha'i Faith and corresponded
> regularly with both Martha Root and the Guardian. She even set out for
> pilgrimage but was forced to turn back.
Utter nonsense, Queen Marie of Romania was never a Bahai she was an
Orthodox Christian. Here is the substantial documented evidence.
Baldrick
Mary Saxe-Coburg (Queen Marie of Romania)
Family Name: Saxe-Coburg Given Names: Mary Alexandra Victoria
Born: 29 Oct 1875
Eastwell Park, Kent, England Died: 10 Jul 1938
Sinaia, Romania
(Age 63, Natural Causes)
Father: Alfred Saxe-Coburg, Duke of Edinburgh (s of Queen Victoria)
Mother: Mary Alexandrovna (daughter of Alexander II of Russia)
Marriage: Ferdinand, King of Romania
Date: 10 Jan 1893 His Age: 27 Her Age: 17
Place: Sigmaringen, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany
Children: Carol II, King of Romania 15 Oct 1893 - 4 Apr 1953
Elizabeth Hohenzollern (daughter of Ferdinand of Romania) 12
Oct 1894 - 15 Nov 1956
Mary Hohenzollern (daughter of Ferdinand of Romania) 9 Jan
1900 - 22 Jun 1961
Nicholas Hohenzollern (son of Ferdinand of Romania) 18 Aug
1903 - 9 Jun 1978
Helen Hohenzollern (daughter of Ferdinand of Romania) 5 Jan
1909 -
Mircea Hohenzollern (son of Ferdinand of Romania) 3 Jan 1913
- 2 Nov 1916
Notes:
Queen Marie was one of the most flamboyant women in the world in the
1920s and 1930s. Often photographed in somewhat eccentric clothing,
her idea of luxurious Romanian costume, Queen Marie attracted press
attention everywhere she went.
Mary wrote her memoirs, "The Story of My Life", in 1934.
Weight: Average
Hair Colour: Brown
Eye Colour: Blue
Language: English
Religion: Orthodox
Inbreeding: 219
Susan Maneck
>
>Utter nonsense,
Utter nonsense that she corresponded regularly with Martha Root and the
Guardian? I wonder what this is all about then?
In March 1936 she cabled him that the sister of Queen Marie had died; on the
following day the Guardian cabled her: "...Assure beloved Queen deepest
sympathy..." Both he and she were always keenly aware of the proper, the kind,
the wise way of doing things. Martha was a natural, unaffected, warm and
charming woman. No doubt it was this genuineness, this simplicity and nobility
of nature that endeared her alike to Bahá'u'lláh's king, the Guardian, and to
the first Queen to accept the Faith. In one of her cables to Shoghi Effendi, in
1934, she says "Our Marie sends you love thanks wonderful interviews."
(Ruhiyyih Khanum, The Priceless Pearl, p. 104)
Or this from Martha Root to the Guardian:
In one of her cables to Shoghi Effendi, in 1934, she says "Our Marie sends you
love thanks wonderful interviews."
(Ruhiyyih Khanum, The Priceless Pearl, p. 104)
Or perhaps you think this letter to Shoghi Effendi was a forgery?
Bran August 27th 1926
Or do you think it is utter nonsense that she ever tried to go on pilgrimage?
Did we forge this this statement from Queen Marie as well?
"Both Ileana and I were cruelly disappointed at having been prevented going to
the holy shrines and of meeting Shoghi Effendi, but at that time were going
through a cruel crisis and every movement I made was being turned against me
and being politically exploited in an unkind way. It caused me a good deal of
suffering and curtailed my liberty most unkindly. There are periods however
when one must submit to persecution, nevertheless, however high-hearted one may
be, it ever again fills one with pained astonishment when people are mean and
spiteful. I had my child to defend at that time; she was going through a bitter
experience and so I could not stand up and defie the world. But he beauty of
truth remains adn I cling to it through all the vicissitudes of a life become
rather say...I am glad to hear that your traveling has been so fruitful and I
wish you continual success knowing what a beautiful message you are carrying
from land to land."
This letters ends with a sentence, after Her Majesty's signature, that was
perhaps more significant of her attitude and character than anything else: "I
enclose a few words which may be used in your Year Book." On receipt of this
letter Martha immediately cabled Shoghi Effendi the gist of its contents and he
cabled back he was delighted and to send him the letter.
(Ruhiyyih Khanum, The Priceless Pearl, p. 114)
Or how about this letter?
Dear Sir,
I was deeply moved on reception of your letter.
Indeed a great light came to me with the message of Bahá'u'lláh
and 'Abdu'l-Bahá. It came as all great messages come at an
hour of dire grief and inner conflict and distress, so the seed sank
deeply.
My youngest daughter finds also great strength and comfort in the
teachings of the beloved masters.
We pass on the message from mouth to mouth and all those we give
it to see light suddenly lighting before them and much that was
obscure and perplexing becomes simple, luminous and full of hope as
never before.
That my open letter was balm to those suffering for the cause, is
indeed a great happiness to me, and I take it as a sign that God
accepted by humble tribute.
The occasion given me to be able to express myself publically, was
also His Work, for indeed it was a chain of circumstances of which
each link led me unwittingly one step further, till suddenly all was
clear before my eyes and I understood why it had been.
Thus does He lead us finally to our ultimate destiny.
Some of those of my caste wonder at and disapprove my courage to
step forward pronouncing words not habitual for Crowned Heads to
pronounce, but I advance by an inner urge I cannot resist.
With bowed head I recognize that I too am but an instrument in
greater hands and rejoice in the knowledge.
Little by little the veil is lifting, grief tore it in two. And grief was
also a step leading me ever nearer truth, therefore do I not cry out
against grief!
May you and those beneath your guidance be blessed and upheld
by the sacred strength of those gone before you.
Marie
(Ruhiyyih Khanum, The Priceless Pearl, p. 107)
Baldrick
"Diana was photographed alone in front of the Taj Mahal" (A Muslam
Shrine) http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/28/prince.india.reut/.
she had become a Muslim & declared her belief in the prophet Muhammad
Baha'is keep telling us unless you make a statement of acceptance that
Baha'u'llah is the Return Of Christ (or the promised one from all
religions for this age) you are not a Bahai. Where is Queen marie's or
her daughter's statement in any of these letters? There isn't any,
furthermore it is well known her daughter became an Orthodox Nun.
When I was in haifa I met a party of Non Bahai Americans who had come
over from Egypt in company with a Bahai to visit the bahai shrines and
the Gardens. Just because loads of non Bahai tourists visit the bahai
shrines each year dont make them Bahai's.
"Fullmer, noting that with the completion of the gardens, the number
of tourists to Haifa is expected to triple to 1.2 million a year."
http://www.haifa.de/jp-31-05-2001.htm
Queen Marie & her daughter would have been no different than these
tourists who are predicted to visit Haifa, the bahai shrines and the
gardens.
Finally, Susan tell me why are you playacting your innocence that you
dont understand why "Both Ileana and (The Queen) were cruelly
disappointed at having been prevented going to the holy shrines and
of meeting Shoghi Effendi," ?
Who do you think prevented them Dr Maneck?
Baldrick
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>
> Queen Marie & her daughter would have been no different than these
> tourists who are predicted to visit Haifa, the bahai shrines and the
> gardens.
>
> Finally, Susan tell me why are you playacting your innocence that you
> dont understand why "Both Ileana and (The Queen) were cruelly
> disappointed at having been prevented going to the holy shrines and
> of meeting Shoghi Effendi," ?
>
> Who do you think prevented them Dr Maneck?
>
> Baldrick
>
I think it's the one year anniversary of your Queen marie
argument also, Balders. It was her family who prevented
her.
We had all this out last year. I suggest you look up the
archives and actually pay attention to the evidence that
disproves your case this time around.
In the meantime, this regurgitated bullshit of yours
is totally yawnworthy.
Paul