The Death of Mrs. Mason Remey - Murder or Suicide - talk.religion.bahai first mystery Project
Sufi Baha'i
his wife or did she commit suicide because he was so bloody boring?
Charles Mason Remey (1874-1974) married Gertrude Heim Klemm
(1888-1932) in a
Catholic ceremony in Paris in 1931. I have no information if or when
they had
a Bahai ceremony. Klemm was the widow of a general without any
children and
came from a wealthy Midwest family. She met and was courted by Remey
in
Washington, D.C. Barely one year after they were married, she
committed
suicide.
Remey inherited millions from her that enabled him to continue his
extravagant
lifestyle, which included building a huge mausoleum for his family
named the
"Remeum." The Remeum was built outside of Washington, D.C. in
Virginia. It
was a monstrosity comparable to Remey's ego. It had at least ten
separate
chapels with multiple "halls of honor" to glorify his ancestors.
Eventually,
it was ruined by vandalism and leveled in the early 1970s before his
death.
All of Remey's family members were moved to his mother's family
cemetery in
Pompey, NY, except for his wife Gertrude, who was left to be reburied
on the
same site in Virginia.
I am currently researching the circumstances surrounding Gertrude's
suicide as
well as Remey's life. The total number of volumes Remey produced to
document
his daily diary, travels, family history, Bahai history, marriage, and
correspondence is at least 175.
Susan Maneck
The author of that post which you just put up (minus the opening two sentences)
was Marlene Chase who has been doing research for a biography on Mason Remey.
warmest, Susan
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Sufi Baha'i
Remey married his wife for money and then killed her or not? He
didn't have a Baha'i ceremony, probably to say he didn't consider the
marriage "real."
What were the circumstances of her death? Do we have a postmortem
report?
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> Who do you think killed Shoghi Effendi?
Shoghi was not killed. A post mortem examination was carried out which
revealed the cause of death as a coronary thrombosis.
Susan Maneck
>Remey married his wife for money and then killed her or not?
Dear Sufi,
Well, I'm inclined to believe it was suicide and not murder. I threw out the
possibility of homicide only because a CB was challenging my veracity about her
suicide. Murder is really the only option.
>He
>didn't have a Baha'i ceremony, probably to say he didn't consider the
>marriage "real."
I wouldn't assume that. I don't think Baha'i marriages were all that common or
even legally recognized in 1932.
>What were the circumstances of her death? Do we have a postmortem
>report?
Marlene Chase has been trying to get a hold of that kind of information, but I
don't know if she has succeeded as yet.
Sufi Baha'i
Somebody decided it was suicide, there must have been some evidence
presented. Without records we have no idea of how much of a hand
Remey had in the death of his "wife."
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Ian: multiman@aros.net
Thanks at le4ast for this piece of information as most Baha'is will
claim he never wrote anything, and what "did the 2d Guardian write"
it is always better when we can quote an non-independant hostile
source to show that theya re in error.
On 24 Mar 2004 16:06:33 -0800, pe...@capebyron.com (Sufi Baha'i)
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Ian: multiman@aros.net
What you think you can do better than the police. If he had killed
her it is likely he would have been arrested. Lets do the same thing
with Shoghi. Obviously he was murdered (I am being sarcastic here) or
with his with Ruhiyyah Khanum, the reason she didnt have children was
abortions. What non-sense.
On 26 Mar 2004 04:39:23 -0800, pe...@capebyron.com (Sufi Baha'i)
wrote:
>Absolutely, yes. But can we find enough evience to determine whether
Ian: multiman@aros.net
In absence of a real logical argument against something, when one is
totally bankrupt of real ideas ad hominimum is the best recourse they
say. Guess you just proved it.
On 27 Mar 2004 06:09:22 -0800, pe...@capebyron.com (Sufi Baha'i)
wrote:
>Certainly you must have some sort of open records there in Bushstan?
Sufi Baha'i
guys do it? I could post my answers again but what's the point a week
later you'll post the same thing again. Nobody is really listening.
The fab three (Joel, Jacques and Neal) play at being Guardian.
They've ripped the religion out by it's roots, don't want to know what
things said in the original language.
Illogical statements such as someone not being heriditary but
representing the heriditary principle." Double speak worthy of George
Orwell's 1984. Frankly the whole exercise has been totally
unfulfilling. Shoghi Effendi turning into some sort of crytographer
to hide his successor from someone called Ruhhiyyah Khanum, who bears
the same name as the wife of the Guardian but acts in ways completely
out of character.
Maybe I was expencting more, that these folks had a better argument,
or soemthing, I had picture Remey as one of the se "better to rule in
hell than serve in heaven" sort of folks, but he turns out to be a
tired old man, who slept through IBC meetings. He built a guady
monument to his family that the local council had to tear down as an
eyesore, he almosted killed the Baha'i Faith in America in the early
years. Frankly the idea that he might have murdered his wife for
money makes him more interesting.
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Ian: multiman@aros.net
Sufi I will not dignify the handle with the ending words of Baha'i,
Prove he slept through it, and prove he murdered his wife or shut your
gossiping mouth for that is all it is rumur and gossip both of which
are strictly forbidden. As to the middle part about his archetecture,
mayube the masoleum was ugly maybe not, but one thing for sure if the
Bogus UHJ ever decides to build the temple on Carmel they will be
using his plans, since Abdul-baha approved them and Shoghi Effendi
insisted they would be the plans used. But after its built perhaps
you can take a sledge hammer and got o work on that to.
On 29 Mar 2004 06:14:10 -0800, pe...@capebyron.com (Sufi Baha'i)
wrote:
> but he turns out to be a
