Dan Jordan: God Taking-out the Trash?
dar...@my-deja.com
I've read with amazement several posts regarding the murdered Baha'i
Dan Jordan. Was he an NSA member? He was killed back in the early 80s,
I've read, in New York City. His throat was cut, and he was dumped on a
pile of trash in Conneticut. Patrick Henry wrote:
"I believe a uhj that operates the way this one does [is] capable of
anything, including murder." a.r.b. 12/11/99
Juan Cole wrote:
"This is a dysfunctional system. There are ways in which it destroyed
Dan Jordan (forcing him to live a lie and to resort to secret
trysts),...." Talisman 4/14/99
There are four theories as to why he was killed:
1. He was killed by Khomeini's Revolutionary Guards because he was a
Baha'i, and he visited Iran and somehow insulted the Iranian Revolution
(or they thought he did).
2. He was robbed and killed by homosexual prostitutes (hustlers) because
Dan was gay and frequented them.
3. He was simply robbed and killed for his the money and credit cards he
had on him.
4. He was execuated on orders of the Universal House of Justice because
he was gay and wanted to make the Faith more tolerant of gays and
lesbians, so the House ordered his assassination.
Let me comment on the four theories:
1. Possible. There were many Iranian "students" in the U.S. in the early
1980s; some of them Revolutionary Guards keeping an eye on Iranians in
this country; including Baha'is. The fact that they kidnapped him and
drove him to Connecticut and slit his throat from ear to ear sounds
something like they would do. But no real proof.
2. Possible. Homosexual prostitutes DO tend to murder their clientele at
alarming rates. But no real proof.
3. Possible. At that time NYC was a very dangerous place. Lots of drugs
and lots of desperate people looking for cash to buy them.
4. VERY unprobable! The Universal House of Justice is very moderately
Liberal. Those that say they ordered Dan Jordan to be killed must think
the House is like a Mafia Commission. Pure fantasy.
Here is my theory; just as probable as any of the above:
5. The LORD works in misterious ways. If Dan Jordan was gay, and,
according to Juan Cole, being "forced" to lead a double-life, then God
arranged his murder; sort of a way of His "taking out the trash". This
could have been simply a robbery. God often uses evil men to carry-out
his purposes. He did that to chastise His people Israel by using the
King of Babylon to enslave them.
I never knew Dan Jordan. I don't know people who knew him. I can't
judge his heart. But, ***IF*** he was calling himself a Baha'i leader,
and engaging in "secret trysts" (homosexual liasons) as Juan Cole
claims, then he was a HYPOCRITE! Dan Jordan wasn't "forced to live a
lie" as Juan Cole claims, he CHOSE to live a lie! Anyone who chooses to
live a lie is a Hypocrite! It's that simple. Rather than the Faith
changing to accomodate Dan Jordan's sexuality, Dan Jordan should have
repented in order to accomodate the Will of God. __IF__ Dan Jordan was
engaging in "secret trysts", then he was a hypocrite, and it is quite
possible that God was merely "taking out the trash". He died on a heap
of it.
Then again, I don't know his heart.
Darrick Evenson
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Before you buy.
Smaneck
Do you think it is appropriate to talk about a murdered man like this in a
public forum where is family can read about it?
Susan Stiles Maneck
History, Stetson University
dar...@my-deja.com
Mockingbird
Ray McIntyre wrote as Murray Clarkson:
> This is just one more example of the deep baha'i compassion of which we have
> heard do much in recent times. Forget that Baha'u'llah said that "... the
> best beloved thing in my sight is Justice ..." forget all the verses about "
> sin-covering eyes ."
>
> Forget that Abdu'l-Baha said that those who hurt another were under God's
> judgement, its simply not as important as the need to protect the faith from
> ANY questions at all about the UHJ, that fine body of up-standing people who
> seem to condone this shit...
As far as I know, ex-Baha'is, such as Darrick and yourself, are part of no
specifice organization - you wouldn't _all_ be Mormons, now would you?
If there is some point you are trying to make, it is eluding me. Would you be
so kind as to try again?
TIA
- Pat
ko...@ameritel.net
Murray Clarkson
heard do much in recent times. Forget that Baha'u'llah said that "... the
best beloved thing in my sight is Justice ..." forget all the verses about "
sin-covering eyes ."
Forget that Abdu'l-Baha said that those who hurt another were under God's
judgement, its simply not as important as the need to protect the faith from
ANY questions at all about the UHJ, that fine body of up-standing people who
seem to condone this shit...
Ray McIntyre, former Baha'i and happy out of it
xi...@my-deja.com
killing of any man, after the great biblical flood.
Any tragedies that occur later are solely man's doings.
There will be a deadly combination of situations that lead to his
murder, like possibilities 1 to 4.
> 5. The LORD works in misterious ways. If Dan Jordan was gay, and,
> according to Juan Cole, being "forced" to lead a double-life, then God
> arranged his murder; sort of a way of His "taking out the trash". This
> could have been simply a robbery. God often uses evil men to carry-out
> his purposes. He did that to chastise His people Israel by using the
> King of Babylon to enslave them.
>
> I never knew Dan Jordan. I don't know people who knew him. I can't
> judge his heart. But, ***IF*** he was calling himself a Baha'i leader,
> and engaging in "secret trysts" (homosexual liasons) as Juan Cole
> claims, then he was a HYPOCRITE! Dan Jordan wasn't "forced to live a
> lie" as Juan Cole claims, he CHOSE to live a lie! Anyone who chooses
to
> live a lie is a Hypocrite! It's that simple. Rather than the Faith
> changing to accomodate Dan Jordan's sexuality, Dan Jordan should have
> repented in order to accomodate the Will of God. __IF__ Dan Jordan was
> engaging in "secret trysts", then he was a hypocrite, and it is quite
> possible that God was merely "taking out the trash". He died on a heap
> of it.
>
> Then again, I don't know his heart.
> Darrick Evenson
>
dar...@my-deja.com
If anyone claiming to be a "Baha'i" has claimed that homosexuality is
"OK" in the Faith they are either:
1) Ignorant
2) Lying
Some Baha'is are from very Liberal background. They see the Faith as
the "way" to establish liberal causes on an international scale. They
give lip service to Baha'u'llah, but simply ignore or "explain away"
(always quite lamely) those Divine Laws which come into conflict with
their Humanist indoctrinations.
ASSUMING that I believe that homosexuality is a "choice" makes an ASS
out of YOU and an ASS out of you--yet again! I never said that. But Dan
Jordan had a "choice", and he chose to DECEIVE; to LIE and spit in the
LORD'S face by sucking cocks while claiming to follow Baha'u'llah. Can't
do both (if you're a guy) and not be a damned Hypocrite. Sorry, I meant
a GOD-DAMNED Hypocrite. Baha'u'llah referred to liwat
(homosexuality--NOT anal sex) as among "satanic deeds". HIS WORDS, you
ignorant ____________STUPID__________ "Baha'is"--NOT mine!!!
But Baha'is don't fear being "damned". They think we ALL will go on to
the Worlds of God; Hitler and Stalin arm-in-arm with Jesus and Mother
Teresa. They believe Hell is "merely a metaphor"; yet another false
tradition handed down to them which has NO BASIS OF TRUTH in the
Writings. In fact (if facts mean anything--they don't to Liberal
Baha'is) the Writings say the OPPOSITE!
I hope I've answered your question.
Darrick Evenson
In article <83b8v2$8bq$2...@news.rhein-zeitung.DE>,
"Andreas Höfeld" <a.ho...@gmx.de> wrote:
> <dar...@my-deja.com> wrote in: 839uqe$a9h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Baha'u'llah refered to liwat (homosexuality and NOT "anal sex") as
> > among "satanic deeds".
>
> Any quotes?
> Also about your conception that homosexuality is some sort of choice?
> Not that any piece of Bahai scripture would convince me of that, but
> just to show that what you tell is Bahai belief and not, as others
have
> claimed, your individual opinion.
>
> Andreas
dar...@my-deja.com
IT's hypocritics like you who've turned the Faith from the Universal
Religion of God into the whore of Humanist LIES it is. Thank God, which
scum like you out of it, this may change over time.
Darrick Evenson
P.S. I'm even happier your an ex-Baha'i than YOU are!
In article <94543330...@shelley.paradise.net.nz>,
dar...@my-deja.com
Another example of fine "Baha'i" bible scholarship.
Darrick Evenson
In article <83cemh$1mf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Smaneck
>ANY questions at all about the UHJ, that fine body of up-standing people who
>seem to condone this shit...
Condone what shit?
Smaneck
>out of YOU and an ASS out of you--yet again! I never said that. But Dan
>Jordan had a "choice", and he chose to DECEIVE; to LIE and spit in the
>LORD'S face by sucking cocks while claiming to follow Baha'u'llah. Can't
>do both (if you're a guy) and not be a damned Hypocrite. Sorry, I meant
>a GOD-DAMNED Hypocrite. Baha'u'llah referred to liwat
>(homosexuality--NOT anal sex) as among "satanic deeds".
Tell me Darrick, which religion is it; Mormonism or the Baha'i Faith which
encourages this kind of foul talk?
panina...@my-deja.com
Now Darrick would you talk to Baha'u'llah with that filth coming out?
-Sean
In article <19991218010611...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,