A letter to a Letter: AO threatens William Pleasant
I Feel Good!
Ahad) who is known among the People of the Bayan as Vahid'ullah, kindly
forwarded the following to me. In 2003 Bill's wife, also a Letter (Huruf
Wajh), was excommunicated for running for public office in the city of
Savannah, GA, as an independent. Now all of a sudden the ao-holes in
Wilmette (right after the G8 summit whose protests Brother Pleasant and his
wife Kellie Gasink organized in Savannah) have decided to be an annoyance to
Bill, not that Bill even gives a flying rodent's backside about anything the
ao or baha'i authorities have to say or do. The letter he received in his
email today from the nsa was unsigned. His response comes first followed by
the US nsa's silly little rant. Some names have been taken out on Brother
Vahid'ullah Bill Pleasant's own request.
Brother Sayfu'llah
--
Don't take this wrongly, Mr. K****, but I really can't take the letter below
seriously. I have been engaged in "partisan political" activity for over 20
years. Up until now, no Bahai institution has made a peep, because they have
never had cause to. I have never identified my work as "Bahai" nor have I
ever sought the support of Bahais or any Bahai institution for my work.
So, what goes now?
I thoroughly appreciate Shoghi Effendi's writings in favor of social
abstentionism, and I also understand their historical/poltical context. That
context no longer attains, as far as I am concerned, thus rendering Shoghi
Effendi's conclusions mostly moot. Moreover, if my opposition to the
fascist-bound US regime will provoke God to throw me into the deepest pit of
post-mortal hell, then grease me up and add some tumeric; I'm ready to fry.
Just for the record, by the way, I am not a member of any political party at
this time. So I don't know where the "partisan" charge comes from. Please be
straight with me, brother, where is this unsigned, undated crap coming from?
William Pleasant
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Bahá'í Friends,
The National Spiritual Assembly has asked that we write to you on its behalf
concerning recent reports that it has received about your involvement in
partisan politics. While the National Assembly is sympathetic to your desire
for social change and justice, it feels that you may not fully appreciate
the reasons for the Bahá'í teachings on political non-involvement and
obedience to government, or the serious consequences that could result to
the Faith and to a believer's spiritual wellbeing should he or she choose to
disregard these teachings.
Foremost among the Bahá'í writings on these subjects are the letters of the
beloved Guardian, published as a book under the title The World Order of
Bahá'u'lláh. The National Assembly encourages you to study closely the
guidance contained in these comprehensive, profound and insightful letters,
and it has asked that Auxiliary Board member R**** K***** consult with you
about them in the light of your political activities. Mr. Khadem will be
contacting you in the near future, and the National Assembly trusts that you
will lend him your fullest cooperation.
Be assured that you are remembered warmly in the prayers of the National
Spiritual Assembly at the House of Worship.
With loving Bahá'í greetings,
For the Office of the Secretary
cc: Auxiliary Board member R**** K*****
I Feel Good!
Don't Uncle Bob Henderson feel like a chump now!
Brother Sayfu'llah Quddusiyyah
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Mr. Bad Judgement
I Feel Good! wrote:
> Brother William Pleasant, my publisher, one of my Letters of the One (Huruf
> Ahad) who is known among the People of the Bayan as Vahid'ullah, kindly
> forwarded the following to me. In 2003 Bill's wife, also a Letter (Huruf
> Wajh), was excommunicated for running for public office in the city of
> Savannah, GA, as an independent. Now all of a sudden
Would that be 'all of a sudden' as if the Mrs. had not been expelled
last year, or 'all of a sudden' as if he were not one of your letters of
the 1, OR, would that be 'all of a sudden' as if he were an enrolled
bahaooooveyeyey, when, of course he is not, as you have regularly
enveighed on the profound evols of bavoooheyeism.
It would seem really bizarre to me if this guy were an enrolled Baha'i
and and your letter 1, or even your number alfa.
> the ao-holes in
> Wilmette (right after the G8 summit whose protests Brother Pleasant and his
> wife Kellie Gasink organized in Savannah) have decided to be an annoyance to
> Bill, not that Bill even gives a flying rodent's backside about anything the
> ao or baha'i authorities have to say or do. The letter he received in his
> email today from the nsa was unsigned. His response comes first followed by
> the US nsa's silly little rant. Some names have been taken out on Brother
> Vahid'ullah Bill Pleasant's own request.
>
That seems odd, too. Why would Wiliam give a rat's tabooty about
protecting the name of some ABM, when he is not an embroiled
bahooooveyeyey. Couldn't be that you have truck w/ enrolled Baha'is,
could it? Say it so, oh good-feeling blade of the backward spelled dog.
- Mr. Bad
alivine
PLACING NEGATIVES ideas on TRB to confuse non-Baha'is about the real
issues faced in the MIDDLE EASTERN CULT OF BAHA'ISM.
A>E>
"Mr. Bad Judgement" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message news:<2k7vbkF...@uni-berlin.de>...
Rabia1844
>To Non-Baha'is= Bad Judgement Captain Kohli IS A BAHA'I AND IS ALWAYS
>PLACING NEGATIVES
Gee Tad, have you got something against negative ideas? I hadn't noticed.
Rabia1844
>Would that be 'all of a sudden' as if the Mrs. had not been expelled
>last year, or 'all of a sudden' as if he were not one of your letters of
>the 1, OR, would that be 'all of a sudden' as if he were an enrolled
>bahaooooveyeyey, when, of course he is not, as you have regularly
>enveighed on the profound evols of bavoooheyeism.
Yeah, I'd gotten the impression he wasn't a Baha'i as well. Also, I somehow
missed the 'threat' in that letter.
>
>That seems odd, too. Why would Wiliam give a rat's tabooty about
>protecting the name of some ABM, when he is not an embroiled
>bahooooveyeyey.
He didn't protect it anyhow. It's given in the following line. I thought this
was real smart:
> it has asked that Auxiliary Board member R**** K***** consult with you
>> about them in the light of your political activities. Mr. Khadem will be
>> contacting you in the near future,
But I doubt if Riaz Khadem felt he needed any protecting anyhow.
warmest, Susan
I Feel Good!
Could it be, KKKholi, that you fascists are reeling from the fact that Bill
is a central player in my movement and that you fascists cannot touch
William Pleasant without some dire consequences following?
Mr. Bad Judgement
I Feel Good! wrote:
> Could it be, KKKholi, that you fascists are reeling from the fact that Bill
> is a central player in my movement
Hey, Hahahahahazini, you are the central player in your thing. There is
no room for any other heads in your space. There is no movement since
you are going nowhere.
> and that you fascists cannot touch
> William Pleasant without some dire consequences following?
>
I'm not interested in touching the guy. I'd have guessed w/o your help
that he is not a Baha'i, particulary if he says you are a minifestation
of god. Ergo, the AO _should_ leave him alone.
I'm thinking RK needs to learn a bit more about the Pleasant Brother,
and leave him alone, as you say. It's a good thing you posted this for
the world to see, to help William with his stuff. He is so lucky to
have a Friend like you, Haha.
- Mr. Bad
Susan Maneck
>that he is not a Baha'i, particulary if he says you are a minifestation
>of god.
I recall form his earlier posts that he most certainly wasn't a believer. But
has he ever actually indicated he follows Nima? Or is that just Nima's
delusions getting away with him again?
Let's hear Frantz Fanon speak for himself!
> Ergo, the AO _should_ leave him alone.
Well, if he is on the roles he would have to be removed.
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Freethought110
>
> > Brother William Pleasant, my publisher, one of my Letters of the One (Huruf
> > Ahad) who is known among the People of the Bayan as Vahid'ullah, kindly
> > forwarded the following to me. In 2003 Bill's wife, also a Letter (Huruf
> > Wajh), was excommunicated for running for public office in the city of
> > Savannah, GA, as an independent. Now all of a sudden
>
> Would that be 'all of a sudden' as if the Mrs. had not been expelled
> last year, or 'all of a sudden' as if he were not one of your letters of
> the 1, OR, would that be 'all of a sudden' as if he were an enrolled
> bahaooooveyeyey, when, of course he is not,
Dear jackass,
If he weren't "enrolled" why the f*$# did Uncle Bob Henderson send him
that letter to Khadem who sent it to his mailbox? But for all
practical purposes, yeah, Bill does not consider himself one of you
and has been saying on record for a long time that he wishes to be
officially excommunicated _in writing_. What gives with the ao-holes?
Why can't they respect the man's wishes and excommunicate him from
your cult??!! Bill is an activist, his family have been activists and
he will not cease being an activist.
What I find quite interesting is that Bill gets this curt letter just
as my book is about to go to print!
Thank you Uncle Bob and us nsa! Nothing like controversy generates
sales. Please threaten Bill again one more time - send him an ABM and
Counselor, etc, this time - so that I may post here and thereby
generate more publicity, hence $$$, for my forthcoming book:
LIBER CI
*156: The Book of Truth*
Out This July! See your local book store.
Nima
Paul Hammond
>
> > Brother William Pleasant, my publisher, one of my Letters of the One (Huruf
> > Ahad) who is known among the People of the Bayan as Vahid'ullah, kindly
> > forwarded the following to me. In 2003 Bill's wife, also a Letter (Huruf
> > Wajh), was excommunicated for running for public office in the city of
> > Savannah, GA, as an independent. Now all of a sudden
>
> Would that be 'all of a sudden' as if the Mrs. had not been expelled
> last year, or 'all of a sudden' as if he were not one of your letters of
> the 1, OR, would that be 'all of a sudden' as if he were an enrolled
> bahaooooveyeyey, when, of course he is not, as you have regularly
> enveighed on the profound evols of bavoooheyeism.
>
> It would seem really bizarre to me if this guy were an enrolled Baha'i
> and and your letter 1, or even your number alfa.
>
They met over on Eric's list, ex-Baha'i. The problem with being
a Baha'i and also running for office had started before he had
ever heard of Nima.
Forgive the expression of a personal opinion here, but I
had thought that William Pleasant was too intelligent to
get mixed up with someone like Nima. Still, it might be
like Susan says, and Nima has enrolled him without
him ever actually having any idea that it has happened, as
apparently he used to subscribe people to his lists
without asking them first if they wanted to join.
Paul
alivine
DEVOUT ATHEIST WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DEFENDING THE BAHA'I CULT.
It is truly an abased cult called Beha'ism.
William Pleasant has done his research and has found many
contradictions in the baha'i cult. Nobody thus far has been able from
the baha'i cult to counter William Pleasant's rational objections.
Please Paul Hammond- the missing Atheist turned Baha'i MOLE- many
posters here are much more educated and are able to see through the
veils of Baha'i lies.
Thank you William Pleasant for your candor, and rational views.
A>E>
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Mr. Bad Judgement
Freethought110 wrote:
> "Mr. Bad Judgement" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message news:<2k7vbkF...@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>>I Feel Good! wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brother William Pleasant, my publisher, one of my Letters of the One (Huruf
>>>Ahad) who is known among the People of the Bayan as Vahid'ullah, kindly
>>>forwarded the following to me. In 2003 Bill's wife, also a Letter (Huruf
>>>Wajh), was excommunicated for running for public office in the city of
>>>Savannah, GA, as an independent. Now all of a sudden
>>
>>Would that be 'all of a sudden' as if the Mrs. had not been expelled
>>last year, or 'all of a sudden' as if he were not one of your letters of
>>the 1, OR, would that be 'all of a sudden' as if he were an enrolled
>>bahaooooveyeyey, when, of course he is not,
>
>
>
> Dear jackass,
>
> If he weren't "enrolled" why the f*$# did Uncle Bob Henderson send him
> that letter to Khadem who sent it to his mailbox? But for all
> practical purposes, yeah, Bill does not consider himself one of you
> and has been saying on record for a long time that he wishes to be
> officially excommunicated _in writing_.
I wanted a million dollars for my birthday. Whooptee do.
> What gives with the ao-holes?
Whaaaa whaaa whaaaa! They have not fulfilled _Everyone's_desire!
Whaaaa whaaa whaaaaaaaaa!
> Why can't they respect the man's wishes and excommunicate him from
> your cult??!!
They should hold out for a contribution, if he wants it bad enough, he
should pay for it.
> Bill is an activist, his family have been activists and
> he will not cease being an activist.
Great. IIRC, Marx, Hitler and Stalin were activists, too. It makes for
interesting history.
> What I find quite interesting is that Bill gets this curt letter just
> as my book is about to go to print!
>
Shurely your spy network as apprised you that it part of the vast
___-wing conspiracy to steal the election from you!
>
> Thank you Uncle Bob and us nsa! Nothing like controversy generates
> sales. Please threaten Bill again one more time - send him an ABM and
> Counselor, etc, this time - so that I may post here and thereby
> generate more publicity, hence $$$, for my forthcoming book:
>
I'm thinking, maybe 20 or 30 more letters, and maybe
ClaudiaDrStarrJoBeth might by an extra copy for Jeremiah, maybe?
>
> LIBER CI
> *156: The Book of Truth*
>
Oh, well, the BOOK of TROOOOOTH, I just gots to get it!
>
> Out This July! See your local book store.
>
- Mr. Bad
Rabia1844
>William Pleasant has done his research and has found many
>contradictions in the baha'i cult.
Then why hasn't he withdrawn his membership?
I Feel Good!
Kellie Gasink, who ran as an _independent_ for the Savannah City Council.
palu's comments are utterly hillarious and Bill and I are laughing our heads
off. For the record, we did not meet on Eric's list.
Bill and I became friends due to our common radical _Green_ political
convictions. Bill knows everything about what I am doing with my Neo-Babism
and supports me 1000% and is a Letter. Why else would he co-publish my book?
Bill is an African-American whose family have been involved with the
American Black Movement going back to 1954 when Bill's father was one of the
first people who marched with Dr Martin Luther King, jnr. His family founded
the NSA of Zimbabwe, a fact that the American baha'i recently censored. They
have also known everyone who is anyone in the Black movement from the far
left to the middle class. Bill has known people like Malcolm X and others
such as the founding members of the Black Panthers. Unlike Bob Henderson who
falsely claimed he was a Panther, Bill's family actually had been. Our
commonalities also extend to the fact that we are both admirers of the late
Dr Franz Fanon and his work. As such, like me, Bill has nothing but utter
contempt and total for the baha'i power structures, especially, and above
all, like me he has total contempt for the White Liberal sub-culture of
baha'ism. He and I are Proud Lefties, not whussy two-faced liberals who
would sell their own mothers when push came to shove. Leftwing Black
American and secular Leftwing Green Iranians share, not only a common
political culture, but a common experience vis-a-vis the White power
structures.
HamHead and his bosses in Haifa didn't bank on the fact that someone like
William Pleasant and I would hook up and become close friends, and now he is
mad as hell because his silly little marginalization assignment has failed
miserably - TOTALLY! - and I have just been published by one of the premier
Voices of the secular Green Left in the whole of North America!
O ye dumbfucks of Mt Carmel, put that in your pipe and smoke it out of your
backsides!
Brother Sayfullah
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Paul Hammond
> To non-Baha'is- please be careful of Paul Hammond's comments- HE IS A
> DEVOUT ATHEIST WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DEFENDING THE BAHA'I CULT.
>
<Chuckles> Ah, he's doing the "devout atheist" bit again.
Tell me, do you even know why that is funny?
> It is truly an abased cult called Beha'ism.
>
What is "Beha'ism", and what is an "abased cult"?
> William Pleasant has done his research and has found many
> contradictions in the baha'i cult. Nobody thus far has been able from
> the baha'i cult to counter William Pleasant's rational objections.
>
> Please Paul Hammond- the missing Atheist turned Baha'i MOLE- many
> posters here are much more educated and are able to see through the
> veils of Baha'i lies.
>
What are you asking me? People can easily see through your
lies too.
> Thank you William Pleasant for your candor, and rational views.
> A>E>
>
Err, note to Tad's brain. Mr Pleasant is not currently posting
here, so who are you talking to?
Nima is taking it upon himself to speak for him. The rest of
us are sceptical about Nima's claims to Mr Pleasant as one
of his followers and worshippers.
So, when did you take the King's Shilling, Tad? Were there
sexual favours involved? We all know how disappointed Nima
was when Steve turned him down that time, all those years back.
How is life with that frustrated old queen, huh?
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
(Like I said)
Paul Hammond
> DEVOUT ATHEIST WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DEFENDING THE BAHA'I CULT.
>
<Chuckles> Ah, he's doing the "devout atheist" bit again.
Tell me, do you even know why that is funny?
> It is truly an abased cult called Beha'ism.
>
What is "Beha'ism", and what is an "abased cult"?
> William Pleasant has done his research and has found many
> contradictions in the baha'i cult. Nobody thus far has been able from
> the baha'i cult to counter William Pleasant's rational objections.
>
> Please Paul Hammond- the missing Atheist turned Baha'i MOLE- many
> posters here are much more educated and are able to see through the
> veils of Baha'i lies.
>
What are you asking me? People can easily see through your
lies too.
> Thank you William Pleasant for your candor, and rational views.
> A>E>
>
Err, note to Tad's brain. Mr Pleasant is not currently posting
here, so who are you talking to?
Nima is taking it upon himself to speak for him. The rest of
us are sceptical about Nima's claims to Mr Pleasant as one
of his followers and worshippers.
So, when did you take the King's Shilling, Tad? Were there
sexual favours involved? We all know how disappointed Nima
was when Steve turned him down that time, all those years back.
How is life with that frustrated old queen, huh?
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
(Like I said)
> >
Paul Hammond
> DEVOUT ATHEIST WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DEFENDING THE BAHA'I CULT.
>
<Chuckles> Ah, he's doing the "devout atheist" bit again.
Tell me, do you even know why that is funny?
> It is truly an abased cult called Beha'ism.
>
What is "Beha'ism", and what is an "abased cult"?
> William Pleasant has done his research and has found many
> contradictions in the baha'i cult. Nobody thus far has been able from
> the baha'i cult to counter William Pleasant's rational objections.
>
> Please Paul Hammond- the missing Atheist turned Baha'i MOLE- many
> posters here are much more educated and are able to see through the
> veils of Baha'i lies.
>
What are you asking me? People can easily see through your
lies too.
> Thank you William Pleasant for your candor, and rational views.
> A>E>
>
Err, note to Tad's brain. Mr Pleasant is not currently posting
here, so who are you talking to?
Nima is taking it upon himself to speak for him. The rest of
us are sceptical about Nima's claims to Mr Pleasant as one
of his followers and worshippers.
So, when did you take the King's Shilling, Tad? Were there
sexual favours involved? We all know how disappointed Nima
was when Steve turned him down that time, all those years back.
How is life with that frustrated old queen, huh?
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
(Like I said)
> >
Susan Maneck
>us are sceptical about Nima's claims to Mr Pleasant as one
>of his followers and worshippers.
I'll say, though it is possible that Nima paid him enough to publish his book.
By the way, do you remember the so-called Azali by the name of Naisan Taqdiri
who was claiming to accept Nima as a Manifestation on ex-Bahai? He gave his
residence as East Brisbane and Logan
Queensland, Australia.
Funny thing is, I couldn't find his name in I couldn't find his name in the
telephone directory www.telstra.com.au. He was urging everyone to look him up
there, wasn't he?
Freethought110
> They met over on Eric's list, ex-Baha'i.
Nope.
>The problem with being
> a Baha'i and also running for office had started before he had
> ever heard of Nima.
Nope again!
> Forgive the expression of a personal opinion here, but I
> had thought that William Pleasant was too intelligent to
> get mixed up with someone like Nima.
He begs to differ. We're both Greens and both Babis. Why don't you say
this directly to him. And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
screwing David Kelly.
>Still, it might be
> like Susan says, and Nima has enrolled him without
> him ever actually having any idea that it has happened, as
> apparently he used to subscribe people to his lists
> without asking them first if they wanted to join.
What utter crap! No one has ever been subscribed to a single one of my
lists without their permission.
> Idiot
Nima
Freethought110
> They met over on Eric's list, ex-Baha'i.
Nope.
>The problem with being
> a Baha'i and also running for office had started before he had
> ever heard of Nima.
Nope again!
> Forgive the expression of a personal opinion here, but I
> had thought that William Pleasant was too intelligent to
> get mixed up with someone like Nima.
He begs to differ. We're both Greens and both Babis. Why don't you say
this directly to him. And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
screwing David Kelly.
>Still, it might be
> like Susan says, and Nima has enrolled him without
> him ever actually having any idea that it has happened, as
> apparently he used to subscribe people to his lists
> without asking them first if they wanted to join.
What utter crap! No one has ever been subscribed to a single one of my
alivine
Would you elaborate? Truly fascinating development.
A>E>
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Paul Hammond
> limey ranted:
>
>
> > They met over on Eric's list, ex-Baha'i.
>
> Nope.
>
> >The problem with being
> > a Baha'i and also running for office had started before he had
> > ever heard of Nima.
>
> Nope again!
>
> > Forgive the expression of a personal opinion here, but I
> > had thought that William Pleasant was too intelligent to
> > get mixed up with someone like Nima.
>
> He begs to differ. We're both Greens and both Babis. Why don't you say
> this directly to him. And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
> when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
> screwing David Kelly.
>
Is he posting here, jackass?
I don't trust you to give a fair report.
For example, telling him that I think he is peddling disgusting
rumours without proof is not a *flame*, it's an expression of
my opinion.
I find pissing on people's graves rather offensive, don't
you?
> >Still, it might be
> > like Susan says, and Nima has enrolled him without
> > him ever actually having any idea that it has happened, as
> > apparently he used to subscribe people to his lists
> > without asking them first if they wanted to join.
>
> What utter crap! No one has ever been subscribed to a single one of my
> lists without their permission.
>
> > Idiot
>
Liar,
Palu, Nima nemesis.
Paul Hammond
> >The rest of
> >us are sceptical about Nima's claims to Mr Pleasant as one
> >of his followers and worshippers.
>
> I'll say, though it is possible that Nima paid him enough to publish his book.
> By the way, do you remember the so-called Azali by the name of Naisan Taqdiri
> who was claiming to accept Nima as a Manifestation on ex-Bahai? He gave his
> residence as East Brisbane and Logan
> Queensland, Australia.
>
> Funny thing is, I couldn't find his name in I couldn't find his name in the
> telephone directory www.telstra.com.au. He was urging everyone to look him up
> there, wasn't he?
>
>
No, I don't remember him for that, but I *do* remember him as
being the person who out of the blue posted a link to that
site discussing another person called "Paul Hammond" to ex-bahai
just a day before Nima did it here.
I said "Hello Nima" to him over there, and he protested about
that, but then did not answer my question as to why he found
me so interesting.
Another Azali living in Queensland? Or a Nima sock-puppet?
WHich is the more likely, I wonder?
Paul
Paul Hammond
> Kellie Gasink, who ran as an _independent_ for the Savannah City Council.
> palu's comments are utterly hillarious and Bill and I are laughing our heads
> off. For the record, we did not meet on Eric's list.
>
Methinks he doth protest too much.
> Bill and I became friends due to our common radical _Green_ political
> convictions.
You probably just drank to much to get that green. I did suggest
you go home and sober up, if you remember.
Bill knows everything about what I am doing with my Neo-Babism
> and supports me 1000% and is a Letter. Why else would he co-publish my book?
> Bill is an African-American whose family have been involved with the
> American Black Movement going back to 1954 when Bill's father was one of the
> first people who marched with Dr Martin Luther King, jnr. His family founded
> the NSA of Zimbabwe, a fact that the American baha'i recently censored. They
> have also known everyone who is anyone in the Black movement from the far
> left to the middle class. Bill has known people like Malcolm X and others
> such as the founding members of the Black Panthers. Unlike Bob Henderson who
> falsely claimed he was a Panther, Bill's family actually had been. Our
> commonalities also extend to the fact that we are both admirers of the late
> Dr Franz Fanon and his work. As such, like me, Bill has nothing but utter
> contempt and total for the baha'i power structures, especially, and above
> all, like me he has total contempt for the White Liberal sub-culture of
> baha'ism. He and I are Proud Lefties, not whussy two-faced liberals who
> would sell their own mothers when push came to shove. Leftwing Black
> American and secular Leftwing Green Iranians share, not only a common
> political culture, but a common experience vis-a-vis the White power
> structures.
>
> HamHead and his bosses in Haifa didn't bank on the fact that someone like
> William Pleasant and I would hook up and become close friends, and now he is
> mad as hell because his silly little marginalization assignment has failed
> miserably - TOTALLY! - and I have just been published by one of the premier
> Voices of the secular Green Left in the whole of North America!
>
I don't give a damn.
> O ye dumbfucks of Mt Carmel, put that in your pipe and smoke it out of your
> backsides!
>
Was that a pleasant experience for you when you tried it, o ye of the
enormous arse fixation?
> Brother Sayfullah
>
Brother Sofulla shit.
Cal E. Rollins
Well, I've found William Pleasant incredibly knowledge from his lifetime
from childhood involved in the Faith. His parents were prominent
Baha'is, and so he comes from a perspective most of you lily-white folk
don't have of our Faith in America or in the West. His enthusiasm and
verve are astounding, and I bet he can contest with any of you
know-it-all bozos and come out the victor at any time.
I don't happen to agree with what he frequently says about the Guardian,
but I can understand his observations without being threatened by them.
I think he's a dynamite guy, and I've told him so on Talisman several
times. --Cal
Mr. Bad Judgement
Thoughtfree110 belched:
>
> And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
> when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
> screwing David Kelly.
>
Truth is not subject to probabilities. I heard someone on TRB is going
to publish a book on truth. Hahahazini, too bad you know nothing about it.
>
- Mr. Bad
I Feel Good!
>
> Thoughtfree110 belched:
>
> >
> > And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
> > when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
> > screwing David Kelly.
> >
>
> Truth is not subject to probabilities.
Very true. Unfortunately the probability in this regard is very high.
> I heard someone on TRB is going
> to publish a book on truth. Hahahazini, too bad you know nothing about
it.
As we say in Persian, ta koonetetun besoozeh!
> >
>
> - Mr. Idiot
>
I Feel Good!
you for confirming that Bayanis are being stalked with the possible intent
of harrassment by your cult. The Australian Civil Rights Commision will be
duly informed.
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040629021532...@mb-m19.aol.com...
Freethought110
> > limey ranted:
> >
> >
> > > They met over on Eric's list, ex-Baha'i.
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > >The problem with being
> > > a Baha'i and also running for office had started before he had
> > > ever heard of Nima.
> >
> > Nope again!
> >
> > > Forgive the expression of a personal opinion here, but I
> > > had thought that William Pleasant was too intelligent to
> > > get mixed up with someone like Nima.
> >
> > He begs to differ. We're both Greens and both Babis. Why don't you say
> > this directly to him. And as I recall you flamed him on Eric's list
> > when he told the truth about Mai Pederson: i.e. that she was probably
> > screwing David Kelly.
> >
>
> Is he posting here, jackass?
>
> I don't trust you to give a fair report.
>
> For example, telling him that I think he is peddling disgusting
> rumours without proof is not a *flame*,
Sure it is.
>it's an expression of
> my opinion.
>
> I find pissing on people's graves rather offensive, don't
> you?
If it is the graves of the central figures of your cult or your
personal grave, no, not at all.
> Liar,
You to a 't'
Freethought110
> So, when did you take the King's Shilling, Tad? Were there
> sexual favours involved? We all know how disappointed Nima
> was when Steve turned him down that time, all those years back.
Funny, the marshalls and I have never met in real life, nor have I
ever been to the south of Island of Kiwi-land nor have I had the
misfortune of spending any length time in NZ. How many years ago was
that, again?
> How is life with that frustrated old queen, huh?
Is that the way you speak about Susan Maniac?
> Palu, Nima-destroyer.
LOL :)) So far this year you have been destroying no one but yourself
with the rope I handed you to hang yourself with. Earlier in the year
I said by the end of it you would be in an asylum. With your mental
state clearly deteriorating with every passing day per, before the
year is out you'll be twitching in a padded cell repeating to yourself
"Palu, Nima-Destroyer, Palu, Nima-Destroyer, Palu, Nima-Destroyer."
Can you say PATHETIC!
ROTFLMAO :))
Freethought110
He doesn't need to. I am posting on his behalf. Why don't you write
him and see what he says to you, if he even responds.
Paul Hammond
> paha...@onetel.net.uk (Paul Hammond) wrote in message
>
> > Is he posting here, jackass?
>
>
> He doesn't need to. I am posting on his behalf.
No you are not. You are *saying* that you are posting
on his behalf. That is far, far different.
I still think he's far too intelligent to have anything to
do with your crap.
> Why don't you write
> him and see what he says to you, if he even responds.
If you and he are so tight, why don't you ask him to
speak for himself?
This is clear evidence that you are full of it, right Cal?
You are PRETENDING that you and he are friends, just
like you are PRETENDING that you were never my friend,
because the truth is just to unpalatable for you to face.
Do, do, do the Holy Chicken!
Paul
Paul Hammond
>
>
>
> Is that the way you speak about Susan Maniac?
>
I'm talking about you, darling!
> > Palu, Nima-destroyer.
>
> LOL :)) So far this year you have been destroying no one but yourself
> with the rope I handed you to hang yourself with.
Er, no. You've remembered this the wrong way round.
You threatened me with destruction, and I called your
bluff. You couldn't do it. All you came up with were
rationalisations for why I had "really" been destroyed
even though I clearly have not been remotely affected
by your impotent huff-and-puffery. You hung yourself
with the rope I gave YOU.
THAT was the origin of "Palu, twice destroyed" and
"Palu, Nima destroyer".
Still, I guess you are still too bitter about Steve's
rejection, and trying to bed Tad to have a good memory
for these things.
> Earlier in the year
> I said by the end of it you would be in an asylum.
Well, that's a new one on me. I tend to tune out your
ranting after a while...
> With your mental
> state clearly deteriorating with every passing day per,
I think you should look to the state of your own mental health,
though your concern for mine is touching. I am not the
one claiming to be God or the Bab. Most mental asylums have
their compliment of Christ's and Napoleans. Maybe you'll
join them yourself?
before the
> year is out you'll be twitching in a padded cell repeating to yourself
> "Palu, Nima-Destroyer, Palu, Nima-Destroyer, Palu, Nima-Destroyer."
> Can you say PATHETIC!
>
Yes, Nima, I know you are pathetic. That is what my little tags
are meant to demonstrate.
Good to know they're getting to you!
> ROTFLMAO :))
You are quite amusing. I especially liked your antics
in the chicken suit. Do you get Tad to dress up for you
too?
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
Paul Hammond
Uh-huh.
And what, precisely, does this have to do with the question
of whether Nima really does have William's permission to speak
on his behalf? Or whether William really does worship Nima?
Like I said, my impressions of him were that he was an
experience activist, and an intelligent person, far too
intelligent to get mixed up in this stupidity of Nima's.
Your observations on his character would tend to back
up that observation, right?
Thanks for your help in this, Cal. I think we're even more
sure now that Nima is full of cal.
Palu, Nima-destroyer
Freethought110
"***For very complex and exciting reasons, we (sufibabi) speak the
same
language. It is amazing.**
But let me be frank, I am just a nigger from Savannah (though hyper-
educated, as a political mandate of my family). Let me be straight
How I arrived to conclusions that mirror yours is the subject of
several future books. We literally come from different worlds.
Scholars in the future will have to embrace our dialogues.
With my body and mind, 'a la Fanon, I seek to speak into history.
My life is my adventure. I am not conservative.
Most AmeriKKKans, even leftists, have issues with my seming abandon.
But I take my ispiration fron The Bab.
GO FOR BROKE.
Revolution belongs to us.
-wm pleasant "
palu made to look like the idiot he is once more! Let him write Bill,
if he dares. Tis the season to be jolly!
paha...@onetel.net.uk (Paul Hammond) wrote in message news:<c977f97b.04070...@posting.google.com>...
Freethought110
> You threatened me with destruction,
And, as proclaimed, it is happening right in front of our eyes, and in public too!
Paul Hammond
Erp, no, Jack. Nothing happening my end yet.
And it is now 4 months since you threatened me with destruction
by posting non-existant "information" about me, to non-existant
places where it would somehow do me the most "damage".
Nada.
And then, it is 6 months since you talked a big game about
coming up and fighting all the bouncers at my place in order
to get through to me to teach me a lesson. Instead, you
ran scared to cyprus and came up with an ex-post-facto
rationalisation for why your threats to me were just
so much hot air. I bet you don't even know any Tongans.
Ergo, you ARE the holy chicken.
How does it feel to be so impotent, Bob?
Palu, the "twice-destroyed"
Paul Hammond
>
> > Idiot
>
> Nima
I concur.
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
Paul Hammond
Ha ha! I see my Pavlovian tactics have paid off again!
I riled him so much that he had to go get William to post
here like I asked him to.
How does it feel to be dancing to my tune, oh impotent
Holy Chicken?
Palu, Nima-commander
Cal E. Rollins
You couldn't destroy a bowl of custard unless it was thrown in your
face. Give us a break.
If you think you're smart enough to use me in your game of Jacks with
Nima and William, forget. I was playing Jacks when you were still in
your daddy's pants while he was sitting on his favorite barstool in his
favorite pub. I don't get manipulated unless I find it to my advantage.
I thoroughly sympathize with William because I was around in Mississippi
and other places South about the time he speaks of, and the Baha'i
activist presence was just about nil. In fact, just about that time the
NSA was fighting it out in our Conventions about whether or not we
should get involved in civil rights affairs--disgusting an awful lot of
us--black and white folk alike. We've done just about jack-shit for
social progress in our American South as far as I can tell. Susan is
about the only Icon the Faith can boast of to show our social revolution
in the South, since the South Carolina project seems to have folded or
gone underground.
And Nima I love because he's got more brains in his one head than all
you piglets have in your seven as you suckle at the teats of the Beast.
Nima makes a fun prophet. --Cal
Dermod Ryder
"Cal E. Rollins" <crol...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5167-40E...@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net...
> And Nima I love because he's got more brains in his one head
'Tis a grand pity that they're scrambled, disoriented and disconnected!
> than all
> you piglets have in your seven as you suckle at the teats of the Beast.
> Nima makes a fun prophet.
And he doesn't realise how much fun we have ... at his expense! Still,
that's an integral part of the job description - the mockery of the crowds.
But he sure has brought a new twist to it - he mocks as well as being
mocked. Still I suppose that's a part of the Newer World Order he is
attempting to bring1
--Cal
>
Paul Hammond
> Palu the Nima Destroyer,
>
> You couldn't destroy a bowl of custard unless it was thrown in your
> face. Give us a break.
Where have I "used you", you dumb schmuck?
I wouldn't use you to wipe the shit off my arse. You make
me sick.
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
Paul Hammond
> Quote
>
> "***For very complex and exciting reasons, we (sufibabi) speak the
> same
> language. It is amazing.**
>
> But let me be frank, I am just a nigger from Savannah (though hyper-
> educated, as a political mandate of my family). Let me be straight
>
> How I arrived to conclusions that mirror yours is the subject of
> several future books. We literally come from different worlds.
> Scholars in the future will have to embrace our dialogues.
>
> With my body and mind, 'a la Fanon, I seek to speak into history.
>
> My life is my adventure. I am not conservative.
>
> Most AmeriKKKans, even leftists, have issues with my seming abandon.
> But I take my ispiration fron The Bab.
>
> GO FOR BROKE.
>
> Revolution belongs to us.
>
> -wm pleasant "
>
> palu made to look like the idiot he is once more! Let him write Bill,
> if he dares. Tis the season to be jolly!
>
Nima,
This doesn't say anything to me.
Here's the facts:
I used to think William was an intelligent person.
Now that I've seen him fall in line for Nima worship,
he's destroyed any respect I used to have for him.
End of story.
"Let him write, if he dares", says the person who is
posting under the pavlovian inspiration of my fiendish
plots! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
There is no doubt you will lose.
Now, let Nima attempt to shut up his nemesis, IF HE CAN!
Palu, the never destroyed.
Cal E. Rollins
From what I hear you guys are going to be featured in _Ebony Magazine_.
Is that true? Does the NSA know about it yet? Boy, would I love to be
interviewed. What a tale I could tell. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Haven't you been listening to the larger world mocking our New World
Order? People I know are saying, in imitation of Moms Mably in her quip
about them good ol' days, "I was there; where was they at?" The Old
World Order may be rolling up, but there's an awful lot of concrete we
seem to be walking on waiting for the new carpet to arrive from the
Little Shop On Top. Nima sweetens the boring wait, in my opinion.
--Cal
Cal E. Rollins
True, it's not everybody who likes chocolate custard. But I've had no
complaints.
Now I know you English have strange toilet practices and your toilet
tissue is about the same quality as that of the Germans and the French
and Israelis--crepe paper. But I think using a whole human being to
wipe your arse, unless you can afford a nanny, is rather presumptuous
and wasteful for people so penurious. You could learn something from
the Arabs and conserve by using my left hand, at least. You got any
water in England that would rise to the standard of arse-washing? Would
you advise I bring my own water when I visit your cities and
countrysides and take you on trips? Would I be ashamed of how you look
and act? --Cal
Rabia1844
>From what I hear you guys are going to be featured in _Ebony Magazine_.
You listening to Nima's voices again?
Rabia1844
>about the only Icon the Faith can boast of to show our social revolution
>in the South, since the South Carolina project seems to have folded or
>gone underground.
I'm not from the South.
Cal E. Rollins
I didn't say you are from the South. I'm not either but I lived there
for a while.
Also, I don't rely on voices from anybody. Why should I when I've
plenty of my own? Afterall we do believe in seeing with our own ears
(or words to that effect). Right? Allah knows, enough folk have been
threatening to publish all in _Ebony_. Now someone has finally gone and
done it. I'm just sad the miscreant (whom so many of us love to hate)
didn't mention me. Always the best man; never the groom. --Cal
LIBERATOR
INDIVIDUALS for exercising their civil and human rights. I happen to
be one such target. I have never, ever associated any of my activism
with the Bahai community, nor have I ever sought political support
from or within the Bahai community. So what is my crime against the
Bahai community that the AO feels compelled to sanction me for?
I have already put the same question to those men.
The response has been rapt silence.
Why?
Because my crime has nothing to do with the Bahai community nor the
writings of the BF. My crime is that my activity assaults the cultish
matrix of the AO. There is nothing that the AO fears more than the
development of independent acting and thinking Bahais, especially
Bahais who have social appeal within and without the Bahai community.
The AO dreads Bahais with charisma. That is what this is all about. If
I or others refuse to be social sheep, then a whole lot of
people--especially Black people--will do likewise. You see, we have a
political beef with the racist and criminal status quo. We don't have
a history of being "well-wishers" of our slavemasters and torturers.
I ask you, what in the world can the AO cats demand of me?
That I cease resisting this stinking system and join the flock who
follow some blue suits on the side of a hill in the political/moral
equivalent of apartheid S. Africa?
What should I do?
Say they're right and I am wrong?
Kill myself?
Renounce my relationship to the Bahai community (mostly my family, by
the way)?
What do they want of me?
I am just a writer. I indulge in no acts of murder or brigandage. I
have never invaded anybody's country. I have never poisoned anybody's
farmland. Torture? Rape? Not me.
That I would be subjected to the ire of the AO when the AO daily
silently witnesses atrocities against the Palestinian people should
give everybody a heads up that something is rotten in Denmark...
If the Bahai community (as represented by the administrative
oligarchy) is disturbed by the CRY FOR FREEDOM, then maybe raison
d'etre of a Bahai community has gotten lost somewhere in the shuffle
of papers.
--wm pleasant
--- In tali...@yahoogroups.com, "yodalady_anna" <yodalady_anna@y...>
wrote:
> --- In tali...@yahoogroups.com, M Chase <mchase11@e...> wrote:
> > Dear William,
> >
> > I can't remember if what I am going to attempt to paraphrase was
> > originally posted on talisman or another list. A past or present
> member
> > of the US NSA (Firuz K.?) was reported to have said that when
> Americans
> > choose to became Bahais they voluntarily give up some of their
> civil
> > rights which conflict with Bahai principles, such as free speech
> to
> > criticize political leaders. Perhaps someone else on the list can
> > provide more information.
> >
> > Marleen
>
> My answer is 'Not so you'd notice on an individual basis, but we do
> not indulge on a community level, regardless of our personal views.
>
> As a group, a religious community, we do not express opinions or
> endorse any political candidates. On a personal level we are not
> suppose alfilliate with any one political party. Nonw of this
> prevents individual Bahai's from speaking their minds. We just don't
> do it at Feast.
> I really don't _think_ the Administrative Order has much sway over
> how people in the US act on their civil rights. There is not much
> the AO can do to a person acting as an individual. However, should
> you be foolish enough to suggest you are acting on behalf of the
> Bahai Faith THEN the AO gets involved.
> Anna
rabi...@aol.com (Rabia1844) wrote in message news:<20040707093832...@mb-m06.aol.com>...
LIBERATOR
You are right about the US South.
The history has been revised.
Actually, Bahais who took an active role in the civil rights struggle
were often hounded.
I can only smirk when I hear the AO invoke the name of MLK, Jr. Hell,
the AO never gave MLK a plugged nickle, and it snarled at "political"
Bahais who lent the movement a hand. I know this from firsthand.
Imagine, if Black people had followed the leadership of the AO, then
Blacks would still be living under the jim crow system today!
Quite frankly, social liberation is never achieved through social
abstentionism. The AO insists upon social abstentionism, it appears.
And its insistance is quite extremist in form and content.
Why is my demand for human and civil rights so upsetting to the AO?
Maybe because the AO does not believe in human or civil rights, except
for a few well-heeled Iranis in Iran. The daily slaughter of
indigenous peoples in Sudan doesn't get a rise out of them. Hundreds
of thousands of Black people are carted away to dungeons in the US
every year--often for crimes they did not commit. Do you hear a peep
from the AO?
Tell me this: How could Bahais brag about their seat on the US State
Dept.'s Religious Rights Commission--a body that investigated
religious repression and recommended US foreign policies (usually
entailing economic and political sanctions against entire
nations)--but I get tarred and feathered for standing for a seat on my
local school board?
I think these folks are drunk with self-importance, poured by a Bahai
community cowered in fear.
What do you think?
wm pleasant
crol...@webtv.net (Cal E. Rollins) wrote in message news:<5167-40E...@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>...
Dermod Ryder
"Rabia1844" <rabi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040707093223...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >
> >From what I hear you guys are going to be featured in _Ebony Magazine_.
>
> You listening to Nima's voices again?
You don't get it!
Sufi Baha'i
elected position? If that's true that's why you got into trouble.
Baha'is, for whatever reason, believe that appointed positions are ok
and non-partisan, whilest elected ones are not.
medi...@lycos.com (LIBERATOR) wrote in message news:<cbba324d.04070...@posting.google.com>...
Rabia1844
>So what is my crime against the
>Bahai community that the AO feels compelled to sanction me for?
You haven't been sanctioned, have you?
>
>I have already put the same question to those men.
>The response has been rapt silence.
>
Really? I wasn't aware you had even accepted the invitation to meet with your
Auxiliary Board Member abd discussed these matters.
>The AO dreads Bahais with charisma.
Right. The problem is you are just too charismatic. ;-}
>
>I ask you, what in the world can the AO cats demand of me?
>
Hmm. Maybe that you accept Baha'u'llah as the He Whom God will Make Manifest
instead of Nima Hazini. Of course, it is okay if you don't want to do that as
well. It is just that you cease to be a Baha'i at that point.
>What should I do?
>Say they're right and I am wrong?
>Kill myself?
>Renounce my relationship to the Bahai community (mostly my family, by
>the way)?
Do what you want. But if you are not really a Baha'i stop calling yourself
that.
>What do they want of me?
That if you are going to continue to call yourself a Baha'i that you believe
and act like one. Not an unreasonable demand.
>That I would be subjected to the ire of the AO when the AO daily
>silently witnesses atrocities against the Palestinian people should
>give everybody a heads up that something is rotten in Denmark...
You know what? Those committing atrocities against Palestinians aren't claiming
to be Baha'is.
Susan
Sufi Baha'i
offer to help the Baha'is with the clout of your public office you'll
be a hero, maybe even make the cover of your American Baha'i Bulletin!
medi...@lycos.com (LIBERATOR) wrote in message news:<cbba324d.04070...@posting.google.com>...
Cal E. Rollins
You're probably too young to have been at that famous National
Convention when youth were wanting to civil rights march and the
convention was split in twain, with one black member resigning,
proclaiming his colleagues on the NSA "shitheads," and going back to
Haiti. Those were trying times and opportunities lost for any
credibility for the Faith in the civil/human rights arena. Of course,
we've tried to regain some credibility by claiming that Dr. King had a
"Baha'i Vision," that his secretary was a Baha'i, and that he, himself,
was on the cusp of Baha'i declaration. There were a few stellar civil
rights oriented souls in those days, but they've long-gone on. Have you
read Juan Cole's little paper on the time? Great fun. No doubt, you'll
identify with some of what was going on back then. -Cal
Cal E. Rollins
How the hell would you know who is meeting with the Learned unless
they're breaching confidentiality and filling you in on their business?
If they are they need their asses sued as people are starting to do,
praise be to Allah. Are the Learned bound by those signed agreements to
keep their frigging mouths shut like they're making LSA members do? It
doesn't seem that they are, if what you say is true, which I wouldn't
doubt for a moment. No wonder that little barb about you slipped out in
those notes. You just can't help opening your Portia Pig snout. --Cal
Sufi Baha'i
crol...@webtv.net (Cal E. Rollins) wrote in message news:<3508-40E...@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>...
Sekhmet
>Susan,
>
>How the hell would you know who is meeting with the Learned unless
>they're breaching confidentiality and filling you in on their business?
Cal,
Mr. Pleasant told us about it himself, right here in TRB.
--Sekhmet
Rabia1844
>How the hell would you know who is meeting with the Learned unless
>they're breaching confidentiality and filling you in on their business?
Couldn't be because Nima posted all the documentation on this?
If confidentiality were really an issue for you then why weren't you screaming
when William had all those documents posted in the first place?
Oh yeah, it's the old double-standard.
Cal E. Rollins
Not a double-standard at all. It's because the Learned are breaching
confidentiality to you, an un-Learned. If an individual wants to talk
about his own case, it's not the same as a person in a position of
confidentiality (your Counseller) leaking it to underlings (you and
Allah knows who else) and then the underlings (you) blasting it into
Cyberspace. Ask any lawyer to confirm what I'm saying. Ask the Counsel
for the US NSA, for example. They used to have some sense. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
No. Glenford said, "Shit" at a convention which probably helped show he
was human and get him re-elected. It was the late Ellsworth Blackwell
who called his fellow NSA members "Shitheads." Shockingly delightful to
some of us youth who were saying much the same among us as the members
were fighting over whether or not we could march, sitin, and go to jail.
As it turned out some of us did all three. My graduate department head
wouldn't let me, but I hosed down a couple of Baha'i youth, Barbara and
Stephan, after they'd done their jail time. Fun days. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Thanks. I saw all that. But I'm screaming at Susan just on general
principle. Who cares if it's accurate; since she does the same. Tit
for tat. I got that kind of expertise by being on irresponsible, lippy
Assemblies for years. --Cal
Rabia1844
>about his own case, it's not the same as a person in a position of
>confidentiality
Sorry, but the individual in quesiton is in as much a position of
confidentiality as a Counsellor is in. And certainly as soon as that individual
decides to talk about the case publicly (as William did) there is no reason for
the institutions to maintain confidentiality if they don't wish to. But
incidentally, no Counsellor has said anything whatsoever to me about this case.
>Ask any lawyer to confirm what I'm saying. Ask the Counsel
>for the US NSA, for example.
Nonsense. There are no legal issues involved in this case whatsoever.
Paul Hammond
> Sehkmet,
>
> Thanks. I saw all that. But I'm screaming at Susan just on general
> principle. Who cares if it's accurate; since she does the same.
Surely not you, who I have yet to see post a true assertion
to this group!
> Tit for tat.
Indeed. Shall I make up a new lie about you in response for
the ones you keep telling about me? Or would you rather I just
dust off the one I have already used to this effect a few months
ago here?
>I got that kind of expertise by being on irresponsible, lippy
> Assemblies for years. --Cal
Indeed? One wonders why you even bother to continue with
the pretence that you are actually a Baha'i any more.
Paul
Cal E. Rollins
Well, if I'm not a Baha'i any more it's the first I've heard of it. You
mean Baha'u'llah is making me do all this suffering when I didn't have
to or having all this fun and spending my wonderful but sadly gotten
gains with great aplomb for guilt all for naught? How else would I be
so masochistic except to be a Baha'i?
Lest we mistake what I said about you. I never said you were a Baha'i.
That's pretty clear, it seems to me, since you're so informed. But
Nima's assertion that you're a paid informer for the AO is another
matter. However, the troublesome question is why should they pay you if
you're a non-Baha'i? That little piece I've yet to fit into the puzzle.
Only time and leisure will tell. To your credit you're not as lippy as
your Queen (and I don't mean Alice Blue Hat and Pearls), so you're a
harder nut. Oink! --Cal
Sufi Baha'i
be either portugeuse or spanish.
ELLSWORTH BLACKWELL
1902 - 1978
Ellsworth Blackwell was born in Greenville, the Mississippi, in day 01
of August of 1902, being its parents Philip and Mary Blackwell, of
that city. It frequented the University of Iowa and was a member of
the fraternity of Kappa Alpha Psi. In 1937 he was married Ruth Browne,
member of the community bahá?í of Chicago and of this union he was
born a son, Philip Ellsworth, that still faleceu in infancy.
Ellsworth if became bahá?í in 1934, in Chicago, having studied the
Faith in the meetings for contacts promoted for Mr. and Mrs.. Edgar
Edwards and from there in ahead participated burning hotly of all the
phases of the education and the administrative work of the Cause of
Bahá?u?lláh. It served in the Assembly Spiritual of Chicago and was,
for a time, member of the Assembly National Spiritual of the Bahá?ís
of the United States. Its activity of pioneirismo was extended almost
for one room of century, starting in 1940, during the first Plan of
Seven Years of Shoghi Effendi, when Ellsworth and its wife if had
established in Haiti - in a region where Mr. and Mrs. Louis G. Gregory
had remained for six months in the year of 1934 - and arriving at the
end with its death, occurred in its rank of pioneirismo in the city of
Kananga, Zaire, in the five year course of the present Plan of the
Universal House of Justice. The Blackwells had been in Haiti of 1940
the 1943; returning for as a period that if it initiated in 1950, for
occasion of as the Plan of Seven Years and it came back toward there
again in the year of 1960, remaining up to 1975. The first Assembly
Spiritual of Haiti was formed in its capital, Port Prince, in the year
of 1942 and in 1961 the first Assembly was elect National Spiritual;
Ellsworth was the first coordinator of those institutions. Later, the
first member of the Body Auxiliary in Haiti became, serving in that
function until the year of 1970, when it returned to the
administrative service of the Faith in Haiti, the national level.
During its long years in Haiti, the Blackwells had been fortified and
encouraged for the letters of Shoghi Effendi, with who kept frequent
correspondence. In 15 of April 1941, little time after to have they
fond of Haiti, as the first pioneers, Shoghi Effendi wrote to them of
the proper fist: work that vocês has carried through, the sacrifices
that have past, the historical mission that they had initiated, they
are praiseworthy, meritoriosos and inesquecíveis highly. I will be
especially praying for vocês two so that, in any field that to come to
serve in the coming days, Bahá?u?lláh can fortify, guide and bless
them, and to help them it to enrich annals of its services of
pioneirismo. In 21 of December of 1941, Shoghi Effendi wrote: I desire
to assure them, personally, of my the deeper and continuous
recognition of its devoted and truily historical services.
Perseverance will crown its efforts with imperishable glories. They
are confident and they never rest in its efforts, which the ascending
generation will go to praise and to admire. Vocês is frequently in my
thoughts and conjuncts. I will be always happy in being able to
receive its notice and will be praying so that its more lulled to
sleep hopes they can fast and completely be carried through.
In October of 1975 the Blackwells had been as pioneering for the
Malagaxe republic, in the island of Madagascar, where Ellsworth served
in the Assembly National Spiritual of 1976 the 1977. Finally, in 1977,
they had been assigned for the Republic of the Zaire, in Central
Africa. Ellsworth ascended to the Kingdom of Abhá in 17 of April of
1978, after one short illness, the first pioneer to give its life in
that African nation. A shining white monument designates its place of
rest, of where if the Kananga sees green the landscape waving of the
next agricultural region.
Ellsworth Blackwell was also active in the International Rotary in
Haiti, Madagascar and Zaire. A representative of the Rotary Club de
Kananga was present to its funeral, that made a together uprising to
its sepulture.
Ellsworth was an orator and instructor bahá?í of great reputation and
its voice was heard in many distant hiddings place of the world; he
was had in high consideration for that they had known it and that with
it they had worked in ours loved Faith.
In day 20 of April of 1978, the Universal House of Justice sent
cablegram giving to it following the tribute:
?ENTRISTECIDOS IN SERVICE DEATH VALOROSO OF LONG DATE CAUSE
BAHÁ?U?LLÁH ELLSWORTH BLACKWELL POINT DETACHED EFFORTS PIONEIRISMO
EDUCATION ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES MANY LANDS EVIDENCE ITS DEVOTION
DEVOTION FAITH IT BURNING HOTLY LOVED POINT ASSURE WIFE FAMILY SACRED
FRIENDS CONJUNCTS TOMBS PROGRESS ITS SOUL KINGDOM ABHÁ.?
Ruth Blackwell - The Bahá?í World, Vol. XVII, 1976-1979, pp. 452-453
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