Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) is a baha'i
Freethought110
again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
This is better proof than NITV that the uhj is neck deep in the
politics of the region.
--
From "The Jerusalem Post"
Khaled Abu Toameh May. 25, 2003
------------------------------------------------------------------
Thousands of leaflets were distributed after Friday prayers on
the Temple Mount, accusing Palestinian Authority Prime Minister
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of being a follower of the Baha'i faith,
the
youngest of the world's independent religions.
The Baha'i faith is a sect descending from Islam, but most
Muslims don't regard it as authentically Islamic. Its founder,
Bahaullah
(1817-1892), is regarded by the Baha'i as the most recent in the line
of messengers of God that includes Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster,
Jesus, and Muhammad.
Rumors about Abbas's affiliation with the Baha'i faith have been
circulating among Palestinians for many years. His critics have
used these rumors to portray him as a member of a cult who does not
recognize Islam as his sole religion. This image lies in sharp
contrast to that earned by PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, who is keen
on maintaining the figure of a devout Muslim.
The rumors resurfaced two months ago when Abbas's name was first
mentioned as a top candidate for the premiership. Some Palestinians
have hinted that Arafat and his inner circle are behind the rumors,
which have never been denied by Abbas himself.
The leaflets distributed on Friday carried no signature. Some
worshipers said they were handed out by at least a dozen of young
bearded Muslim activists.
The fliers accused Abbas of belonging to the Baha'i faith, "a
breakaway sect established by the British colony with the aim of
distorting the image of Islam." They also accused Abbas of seeking
to "uproot the Islamic trend and martyrdom" and of relinquishing
the Muslim right to all of Palestine.
"The appointment of Mahmoud Abbas as prime minister is part of a
Zionist plan so he would continue making concessions to the
Jews," the leaflets said. "They want him to negotiate on the remaining
20 percent of Palestine after he voluntarily gave up 80% of the
blessed Palestinian land when he signed the Oslo Accords."
This is the first time that such leaflets have been distributed
on the Temple Mount. Similar leaflets have appeared in Ramallah and
Gaza City, but none mentioned the alleged Baha'i connection, focusing
instead on the widespread belief that Abbas was appointed by the
US and Israel in order to serve the latter's security interests.
In an apparent attempt to ward off the rumors, Abbas earlier this
year performed the hajj. The main headquarters of the Baha'i are in
Haifa. There are probably between 3 and 4 million Baha'is, and the
largest Baha'i community can be found in India.
Baha'i doctrines teach the complete equality of men and women and the
unity of all humanity. Followers of this faith consider themselves
to be working toward a world government where extremes of poverty
and wealth, along with all forms of persecution, will be eliminated.
---
One finds all sorts of chicanery, nepotism and favouritism in the
Palestinian Authority, all requirements for progress on the standard
western-backed 'third world' model. Most of Arafat's cronies have
questionable allegiances, and many also have their greedy mitts in
the western aid coffers. For example, Abu Mazen, who is a Baha'i and
believed to be in line as successor when Arafat outlives his
usefulness, recently purchased a luxurious home in Ramallah, but
through some shady wheeling and dealing he still collects rent from
the Palestinian Authority on the same piece of property. As a Baha'i,
Abu Mazen is entitled to burial in the secretive sect's World
Headquarters in Akka, Israel (that is, in the 1948 part of Occupied
Palestine).
With 'peace' comes 'progress' to Palestine
By J A Progler in Ramallah Muslimedia: September 1-15, 1997
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/palprog.htm
miss calm
"Freethought110" <freetho...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Susan Maneck
>O no! A Pallie Bahai, excuse me while I take an aspirin and lie down!
Actually this rumor was started over five years ago by fundamentalist Muslims
groups trying to discredit Abu Mazen. Apparently this was the worst accusation
they could invent! In any case, I asked the External Affairs Office about this
some nine months ago, they told me he was not a Baha'i and that they had no
idea on what basis these Muslims were saying this.
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
Baha'i Studies is available through the following:
http://list.jccc.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=bahai-st
Lisa R.
> So much for the baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics! Yet
> again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
> get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
> would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
>
> This is better proof than NITV that the uhj is neck deep in the
> politics of the region.
>
> --
> From "The Jerusalem Post"
> Khaled Abu Toameh May. 25, 2003
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thousands of leaflets were distributed after Friday prayers on
> the Temple Mount, accusing Palestinian Authority Prime Minister
> Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of being a follower of the Baha'i faith,
> the
> youngest of the world's independent religions.
>
> The Baha'i faith is a sect descending from Islam, but most
> Muslims don't regard it as authentically Islamic.
Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
and secular
"Izratine." It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews. As a side benefit,
each true believer in the "Izratine" plan gets first crack at the
Palestinian IPO in Brooklyn bridge and Florida swampland shares.
Lisa
Paul Hammond
And now this stale old rumour has just been rediscovered
by Nima on another list.
I remember all this blowing up when Abu Mazen was appointed.
Most of the newspaper articles discussing this accusation
that have been posted elsewhere date back to May.
And, of course, we all know the Baha'is are just either
a British, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
and Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
It's suprising how long lasting some rumours can be!
Paul
Susan Maneck
>something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
Tea, tea.
> Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
What stories do you suppose Nima will make up about those?
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Paul Hammond" <paha...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> And, of course, we all know the Baha'is are just either
> a British, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
> something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
> and Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
Wow! I missed out on that! Shame!
>
> It's suprising how long lasting some rumours can be!
Including the one that the DST is an academic! Ye Gods! I love saying
these things knowing that she's not reading them! Isn't life grand!
>
> Paul
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030911200832...@mb-m28.aol.com...
> >itish, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
> >something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
>
> Tea, tea.
>
> > Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
>
> What stories do you suppose Nima will make up about those?
Any one will do as long as it does not include your doing the "Dance of the
Seven Army Surplus Blankets!"
Steve Marshall
>Actually this rumor was started over five years ago by fundamentalist Muslims
>groups trying to discredit Abu Mazen.
Nima is in interesting company. The former head of Mossad believed the
rumour, too:
...about 18 months ago a former chief of the Mossad espionage agency,
Shabtai Shavit, told the mass-circulation daily Yedioth Ahronoth that
Abu Mazen is actually an adherent of the Bahai faith. It turned out
that the person whose job it was to know everything did not know a
basic fact about one of his top enemies. Abu Mazen, a Muslim and the
descendant of a leading Muslim family, asked for, and received, an
apology, albeit only from the newspaper and even that in very
understated language.
http://www.place4peace.com/print.php?sid=374
That account seems to be corroborated in a number of places
http://www.bahaindex.com/news/archive/2001-12-18-Haaretz.html
Susan Maneck
like Abbas Effendi, one of the founders of the Bahai faith."
LOL. So that's what this myth is based on!
Freethought110
>
> Actually this rumor was started over five years ago by fundamentalist Muslims
> groups trying to discredit Abu Mazen. Apparently this was the worst accusation
> they could invent! In any case, I asked the External Affairs Office about this
> some nine months ago, they told me he was not a Baha'i and that they had no
> idea on what basis these Muslims were saying this.
Put up the letter from the External Department then. The whole thing.
Better yet, a letter of confirmation from the uhj is what is needed.
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has never denied being a baha'i.
Susan Maneck
Obviously you haven't been following the thread very carefully. This is from
one of the links Steve Marshall posted:
"Did Sharon buy the revelation from the ex-Mossad chief that Abu Mazen won't be
able to fill Arafat's shoes, "because of his Bahai background," - which would
be like naming a Samaritan as president of Israel. The ex-Mossad chief's
mistake lay in Abu Mazen's family name, Abbas, which is like Abbas Effendi, one
of the founders of the Bahai faith. At Abu Mazen's request, Yedioth published a
correction."
Clearly he *did* deny it.
Freethought110
> >itish, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
> >something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
>
> Tea, tea.
>
> > Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
>
> What stories do you suppose Nima will make up about those?
No story can come close to or touch the *facts* about Mai Pederson
Al-Sadat and her career as a spook.
Freethought110
> Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
>
> You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
> and secular
> "Izratine."
Kind of like the democratic, pluralistic and secular "Jewish"
apartheid state of the west of the West Bank, eh?
> It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
> inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews.
Much like the Lockean egalitarian Jewish paradise featuring inviolable
minority rights for Palestinians, correct? Or how about the
egalitarian paradise which builds walls that puts the Wall the Nazis
built at the Warsaw ghetto to shame!
Freethought110
Let's wait and hear from the uhj itself about Abu Mazen's status. None
of these reports say that Mahmoud Abbas has unequivocally stated he is
not a baha'i. Until then, this is smokescreen of the order of BIGS Mai
Pederson Al-Sadat refusing to meet with the media and Hutton Inquiry.
Freethought110
> And, of course, we all know the Baha'is are just either
> a British, Jewish...plot,
Mai Pederson Al-Sadat finally and conclusively proved this one once
and for all. Kudos to the mullahs for being the first to express it.
>Baha'is put
> something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
> and Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
No, they just have orgies at baha'i summer schools in North America
and at the annual Grand Canyon baha'i conferences in Phoenix, Arizona
where young unmarried girls come back home pregnant.
> It's suprising how long lasting some rumours can be!
Yeah, isn't it, until David Kelly kills himself (or maybe possibly was
even 'suicided') and then, lo and behold, the shit really hits begins
coming out and a Mai Pederson Al-Sadat emerges proving fact is far,
far more stranger than rumor or fiction could ever hope to be.
AO mole wanna cracker?
BTov
> mand...@aol.com (Lisa R.) wrote in message
>
> > Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
> > You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
> > and secular
> > "Izratine."
> Kind of like the democratic, pluralistic and secular "Jewish"
> apartheid state of the west of the West Bank, eh?
so palibans ARE an apartheid bunch!?
lol
> > It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
> > inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews.
> Much like the Lockean egalitarian Jewish paradise featuring inviolable
> minority rights for Palestinians, correct?
the door's always open to their enlightened arab paradise ;L
they somehow wouldn't leave tho..
why?
;L
> Or how about the
> egalitarian paradise which builds walls that puts the Wall the Nazis
> built at the Warsaw ghetto to shame!
did jews also used to blow nazi buses & cafes up on a daily basis?
;L
Paul Hammond
Do we know any facts about that yet?
Paul
Paul Hammond
I see that you no longer have any confidence in your "Abu Mazen
is a Baha'i" story.
Lisa R.
> freetho...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.03091...@posting.google.com>...
> > mand...@aol.com (Lisa R.) wrote in message
> >
> > > Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
> > > You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
> > > and secular
> > > "Izratine."
>
> > Kind of like the democratic, pluralistic and secular "Jewish"
> > apartheid state of the west of the West Bank, eh?
I guess this guy doesn't know that 20 percent of Israel is Arabic.
> so palibans ARE an apartheid bunch!?
> lol
>
> > > It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
> > > inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews.
>
> > Much like the Lockean egalitarian Jewish paradise featuring inviolable
> > minority rights for Palestinians, correct?
>
> the door's always open to their enlightened arab paradise ;L
> they somehow wouldn't leave tho..
> why?
> ;L
Here's the new name for Palestine: Afghanistan.
Lisa
Nima Rezai
>> Or how about the
>> egalitarian paradise which builds walls that puts the Wall the Nazis
>> built at the Warsaw ghetto to shame!
>
> did jews also used to blow nazi buses & cafes up on a daily basis?
> ;L
Boker Tov,
bad comparison. Unlike the Jews in Palestine, the Germans (in Germany) were
not brutal occupiers,
and the german Jews had no reason to attack their fellow german citizens.
As far as the german army abroad is concerned, surely the Jews resisted as
far as possible. Beside the fact that they had only limited means to carry
out suicide bombings inside Germany or elsewhere against Germans, it would
not make sense to - say -attack polish buses or cafes.
But most important, why do you compare Jews with Nazis?
Did´nt you find anything closer to the IDF (in behaviour) than the
"Wehrmacht"?
Nima
errol9
paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 12/9/03 12:18 pm:
And You would know AO Mole with your great knowledge of the Bahai Faith.
Errol
errol9
We know one thing you are not Paul Hammond.......Errol
>
> Paul
Cal E. Rollins
Well, is Mazen a Baha'i or not? Has he denied he is? If he has denied
it and he is, won't he be sanctioned by the Universal House of Justice
for dissimulating the Faith? Does he know that many consider it
lawfully un-Baha'i to dissimulate, Paul not-withstanding? Do we have in
the works another embarrassing moment from these Baha'i politicians?
--Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Are those army surplus blankets that Susan uses in her dance the ones
meanly handed down a while back by the military to some of our
reservations? They were infested with small pox and killed off an awful
lot of people. Say it isn't so! We're awfully low on vaccine... --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Well, Mai can't refuse to meet with the Hutton Inquiry. Remember I
asked the question a while back before all of this came out: Can Baha'is
with Government info have immunity from testifying? TRB and Talisman
seemed to have established that we must obey the Government, even though
what we've told our Institutions (LSA, NSA, or Universal House of
Justice) is not retrievable. So can't somebody make her meet with the
Inquiry? Even if she does, the British being as they are, we'll never
get the full poop. Only in America can we know everything. No wonder
we're the spiritual leaders of the Planet. --Cal
Pacifist
news:83b59396.0309...@posting.google.com
> So much for the baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics! Yet
> again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
> get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
> would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
I have been questioning my Bahai friends and it's strange how lost for
words they are on this occasion.
Where a simple denial would have sufficed, there is silence.
This story might even be true.
P
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Randy Burns
every time a single German soldier was killed by the resistance an entire
Palestinian village or West Bank village would be lined up and all the men
and women would be shot in the head, maybe even the children if they felt
like it. Germans did this in every country that they occupied during WWII.
Cheers, Randy
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errol9
randy....@gte.net wrote on 12/9/03 4:28 pm:
> If the Gentle German army were occupying Palestine or the West Bank then
> every time a single German soldier was killed by the resistance an entire
> Palestinian village or West Bank village would be lined up and all the men
> and women would be shot in the head, maybe even the children if they felt
> like it. Germans did this in every country that they occupied during WWII.
>
> Cheers, Randy
Sure the all American GI would never do such a thing Randy?.....Errol
Susan Maneck
>did jews also used to blow nazi buses & cafes up on a daily basis?
Just hotels now and then. But then those were British. ;-}
Susan Maneck
>every time a single German soldier was killed by the resistance an entire
>Palestinian village or West Bank village would be lined up and all the men
>and women would be shot in the head, maybe even the children if they felt
>like it.
Dear Randy,
My recollection is that the Germans would kill ten people for every German
killed. But if you compare the statistics of Israeli vs. Palestinian dead,
you'll see it comes up to just about that.
warmest, Susan
Germans did this in every country that they occupied during WWII.
>
>Cheers, Randy
>
>--
>
>"Nima Rezai" <Ni...@ngi.de> wrote in message
>news:bjsirh$n79nn$1...@ID-42147.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> bad comparison. Unlike the Jews in Palestine, the Germans (in Germany)
>were
>> not brutal occupiers,
>> and the german Jews had no reason to attack their fellow german citizens.
>> As far as the german army abroad is concerned, surely the Jews resisted as
>> far as possible. Beside the fact that they had only limited means to carry
>> out suicide bombings inside Germany or elsewhere against Germans, it would
>> not make sense to - say -attack polish buses or cafes.
>> But most important, why do you compare Jews with Nazis?
>> Did´nt you find anything closer to the IDF (in behaviour) than the
>> "Wehrmacht"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
Susan Maneck
>> No story can come close to or touch the *facts* about Mai Pederson
>> Al-Sadat and her career as a spook.
>
>Do we know any facts about that yet?
No, but what the heck, we can make them up!
Pat Kohli
Paul Hammond wrote:
> sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20030911122407...@mb-m04.aol.com>...
> > >
> > >O no! A Pallie Bahai, excuse me while I take an aspirin and lie down!
> >
> > Actually this rumor was started over five years ago by fundamentalist Muslims
> > groups trying to discredit Abu Mazen. Apparently this was the worst accusation
> > they could invent! In any case, I asked the External Affairs Office about this
> > some nine months ago, they told me he was not a Baha'i and that they had no
> > idea on what basis these Muslims were saying this.
> >
> >
> > http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
> > Baha'i Studies is available through the following:
> > http://list.jccc.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=bahai-st
>
> And now this stale old rumour has just been rediscovered
> by Nima on another list.
>
> I remember all this blowing up when Abu Mazen was appointed.
>
> Most of the newspaper articles discussing this accusation
> that have been posted elsewhere date back to May.
>
> And, of course, we all know the Baha'is are just either
> a British, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
> something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
> and Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
>
> It's suprising how long lasting some rumours can be!
It gets interesting to consider how many people get alleged to be
Baha'is, particularly when one considers
that the people telling us how this person and that person is a Baha'i,
these same writers, will tell us
how few Baha'is their really are, and how our numbers are rapidly
dwindling to nothing. So, to me, it is
not only entertaining to see how long stories will circulate, but also
to see how many alternate realities
there are for those who buy in on these stories.
Best wishes
- Pat
Pat Kohli
Pacifist wrote:
> "Freethought110" <freetho...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:83b59396.0309...@posting.google.com
>
> > So much for the baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics! Yet
> > again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
> > get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
> > would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
>
> I have been questioning my Bahai friends and it's strange how lost for
> words they are on this occasion.
>
It takes a while to ask about. Many Baha'is do not know all of the other
Baha'is, yet.
>
> Where a simple denial would have sufficed,
There was a denial, some time back.
> there is silence.
Not complete silence. Some still repeat the Mossad story, even when Mossad
has given up on it.
"Did Sharon buy the revelation from the ex-Mossad chief
that Abu Mazen won't be able to fill Arafat's shoes,
"because of his Bahai background," - which would be like
naming a Samaritan as president of Israel. The ex-Mossad
chief's mistake lay in Abu Mazen's family name, Abbas,
which is like Abbas Effendi, one of the founders of the
Bahai faith. At Abu Mazen's request, Yedioth published a
correction."
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=1836&CategoryId=5
Pat Kohli
Susan Maneck wrote:
> >
> >did jews also used to blow nazi buses & cafes up on a daily basis?
>
> Just hotels now and then. But then those were British. ;-}
>
It is the Zionists blowing up and bull dozing the homes; many of the
Jews around here are quite peaceful people.
Best wishses!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
Susan Maneck
>Jews around here are quite peaceful people.
To be specific it is Israelis who bulldoze the homes. This is an action on the
part of the government not simply Zionists. But it was Zionists who blew up the
King David Hotel.
warmest, Susan
Freethought110
from a MOSSAD agent after he spilled the beans to the press the first
time around. No member of MOSSAD is as stupid and uninformed to get
information like this wrong the first time. It is their business to
know these things and MOSSAD is not as incompetent an intelligence
establishment as the CIA.
Put up or shut up, you said you contacted the External Affairs
department of your cult about Abbas. I want to hear an unequivocal
"Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) is not a baha'i" from the uhj itself posted
right here! Until then, this is yet more proof that you cultists are
hand-in-glove lackeys of the Zionists and are little more than a tool
in the hands of this despicable fascist apartheid entity colonizing
Palestine, therefore proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the
mullahs are absolutely right about you: you are agents of Zionism,
agents of imperialism and agents of the great arrogant powers (Amel-e
Estekbar, Amel-e Sahyunist, Amel-e Estem'ar)!
Now where's the spin-doctoring on Mai Pederson Al-Sadat. You've all
been very quiet about her.
sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20030911234044...@mb-m28.aol.com>...
Freethought110
> "Freethought110" <freetho...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:83b59396.0309...@posting.google.com
>
> > So much for the baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics! Yet
> > again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
> > get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
> > would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
>
> I have been questioning my Bahai friends and it's strange how lost for
> words they are on this occasion.
While you're at it ask them about baha'is Sabet Imani and Mai Pederson
Al-Sadat, her career as a spook for the US Defense Department, her
friendship with Dr David Kelly, her role in converting him to
baha'ism, her being fingered at the Hutton Inquiry, and see how even
more lost for words they will be.
> Where a simple denial would have sufficed, there is silence.
Absolutely! What are they going to say? These people have finally been
caught with their pants down showing they are truly the fifth
columnist agents of the most brutal colonialist power in the region
which has been claimed for a long time.
> This story might even be true.
I haven't seen anywhere where Abbas has denied the charge. And the
MOSSAD itself has goofed once, spilling the beans and fingering Abbas
as a baha'i, then they backpeddle. Yeah, right!
> P
Freethought110
Ya think, limey? Until Abbas and the uhj come clean, I have every
confidence in the story.
Freethought110
> > mand...@aol.com (Lisa R.) wrote in message
> >
> > > Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
> > > You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
> > > and secular
> > > "Izratine."
>
> > Kind of like the democratic, pluralistic and secular "Jewish"
> > apartheid state of the west of the West Bank, eh?
>
> so palibans ARE an apartheid bunch!?
No, you ZioNazis are.
>
> > > It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
> > > inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews.
>
> > Much like the Lockean egalitarian Jewish paradise featuring inviolable
> > minority rights for Palestinians, correct?
>
> the door's always open to their enlightened arab paradise ;L
> they somehow wouldn't leave tho..
Because it's their home, much more than yours, arrogant ZioNazi
dumbfuck -- you are the occupier!
Paul Hammond
Is that right, Error? And how would "we" know that thing?
And, does it have any relevance to the fact that Nima
is now backing away at a rate of knots from his
"Abu Mazen is a Baha'i" story?
The reason why I know more than you about the Baha'i
Faith, little worm, is because *I* pay attention.
You were probably drunk half the time!
Paul
Paul Hammond
> Nima,
>
> Well, Mai can't refuse to meet with the Hutton Inquiry.
Yes, she can Cal.
The Hutton Inquiry has no powers to compel attendence, even
of a British citizen, which Mai is not.
> So can't somebody make her meet with the
> Inquiry? Even if she does, the British being as they are, we'll never
> get the full poop. Only in America can we know everything. No wonder
> we're the spiritual leaders of the Planet. --Cal
No, they can't. But, if she does give evidence, check
out the Hutton Inquiry website
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/
WHICH I GAVE YOU JUST THE OTHER DAY
And notice that there is a *transcripts* section, where
the days evidence is put up, verbatim, the day after it
is heard, and there is an extensive documents section,
where I personally have had a look at Dr Kelly's appraisal
documents, as referred to in the Richard Hatfield (head of
Personnel at Ministry of Defence) testimony.
Also there are transcripts of the tapes Susan Watts
recorded of her phone conversation with Dr Kelly,
internal BBC emails, correspondence between the BBC
and Alastair Campbell, etc., etc. etc.
THe British press are having a field day with the
amount of documents being released into public
view by the Hutton Inquiry.
Go check it out!
Paul
Al-Kafir Al-Kabir
> Baha'is, yet.
Misdirection.
> >
> > Where a simple denial would have sufficed,
>
> There was a denial, some time back.
And the denial is totally disengenuous.
> > there is silence.
>
> Not complete silence. Some still repeat the Mossad story, even when Mossad
> has given up on it.
MOSSAD gave up on it because it obviously blew Abbas' cover.
> "Did Sharon buy the revelation from the ex-Mossad chief
> that Abu Mazen won't be able to fill Arafat's shoes,
> "because of his Bahai background," - which would be like
> naming a Samaritan as president of Israel. The ex-Mossad
> chief's mistake lay in Abu Mazen's family name, Abbas,
> which is like Abbas Effendi, one of the founders of the
> Bahai faith. At Abu Mazen's request, Yedioth published a
> correction."
> http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=1836&CategoryId=5
What utter crock and smokescreen! As if people are gullible enough to
believe that Mahmoud Abbas is the only person in the whole Arab world
with the last name "Abbas."
Al-Kafir Al-Kabir
> >
> > > Oh, but why would that matter to the tolerant folk on the West Bank?
> > > You see, they're on the verge on creating a democratic, pluralistic
> > > and secular
> > > "Izratine."
>
> > Kind of like the democratic, pluralistic and secular "Jewish"
> > apartheid state of the west of the West Bank, eh?
>
> so palibans ARE an apartheid bunch!?
>
> > > It will be a Lockean egalitarian paradise, featuring
> > > inviolable minority rights, especially for Jews.
>
> > Much like the Lockean egalitarian Jewish paradise featuring inviolable
> > minority rights for Palestinians, correct?
>
> the door's always open to their enlightened arab paradise ;L
> they somehow wouldn't leave tho..
> ;L
>
> > Or how about the
> > egalitarian paradise which builds walls that puts the Wall the Nazis
> > built at the Warsaw ghetto to shame!
>
> did jews also used to blow nazi buses & cafes up on a daily basis?
> ;L
Ever heard of the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030912184943...@mb-m20.aol.com...
> >It is the Zionists blowing up and bull dozing the homes; many of the
> >Jews around here are quite peaceful people.
>
> To be specific it is Israelis who bulldoze the homes. This is an action on
the
> part of the government not simply Zionists. But it was Zionists who blew
up the
> King David Hotel.
And the IRA blew up the Europa Hotel in Belfast so many times it is listed
in the Book of Records as the most bombed hotel in the world. Of course
they're not Zionists or Palestinians or Iraqis ... so it doesn't count!
Darrick Evenson
show) thought Abu Mazen was going to be the end-times Anti-Christ,
because Nostradamus said the last Anti-Christ would be named "Mabus".
If you take MAzen and ABU, and they theorized his middle name began
with "S" you get "MABUS". A stretch, I know.
Being a "Baha'i" among Palestinians, he's probably been used to NOT
MENTIONING it, and basically keeping it a secret; not openly denying
it, but "hiding" it.
Darrick
freetho...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.0309...@posting.google.com>...
> So much for the baha'i principle of non-involvement in politics! Yet
> again more evidence of baha'i hypocrisy. No wonder Arafat was ready to
> get rid of him. Abu Mazen, by virtue of his baha'i affiliation,
> would've been quite ready to sell the Palestinian down the drain.
>
> This is better proof than NITV that the uhj is neck deep in the
> politics of the region.
>
> --
> From "The Jerusalem Post"
> Khaled Abu Toameh May. 25, 2003
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thousands of leaflets were distributed after Friday prayers on
> the Temple Mount, accusing Palestinian Authority Prime Minister
> Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) of being a follower of the Baha'i faith,
> the
> youngest of the world's independent religions.
>
> The Baha'i faith is a sect descending from Islam, but most
> Muslims don't regard it as authentically Islamic. Its founder,
> Bahaullah
> (1817-1892), is regarded by the Baha'i as the most recent in the line
> of messengers of God that includes Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster,
> Jesus, and Muhammad.
>
> Rumors about Abbas's affiliation with the Baha'i faith have been
> circulating among Palestinians for many years. His critics have
> used these rumors to portray him as a member of a cult who does not
> recognize Islam as his sole religion. This image lies in sharp
> contrast to that earned by PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, who is keen
> on maintaining the figure of a devout Muslim.
>
> The rumors resurfaced two months ago when Abbas's name was first
> mentioned as a top candidate for the premiership. Some Palestinians
> have hinted that Arafat and his inner circle are behind the rumors,
> which have never been denied by Abbas himself.
>
> The leaflets distributed on Friday carried no signature. Some
> worshipers said they were handed out by at least a dozen of young
> bearded Muslim activists.
>
> The fliers accused Abbas of belonging to the Baha'i faith, "a
> breakaway sect established by the British colony with the aim of
> distorting the image of Islam." They also accused Abbas of seeking
> to "uproot the Islamic trend and martyrdom" and of relinquishing
> the Muslim right to all of Palestine.
>
> "The appointment of Mahmoud Abbas as prime minister is part of a
> Zionist plan so he would continue making concessions to the
> Jews," the leaflets said. "They want him to negotiate on the remaining
> 20 percent of Palestine after he voluntarily gave up 80% of the
> blessed Palestinian land when he signed the Oslo Accords."
>
> This is the first time that such leaflets have been distributed
> on the Temple Mount. Similar leaflets have appeared in Ramallah and
> Gaza City, but none mentioned the alleged Baha'i connection, focusing
> instead on the widespread belief that Abbas was appointed by the
> US and Israel in order to serve the latter's security interests.
>
> In an apparent attempt to ward off the rumors, Abbas earlier this
> year performed the hajj. The main headquarters of the Baha'i are in
> Haifa. There are probably between 3 and 4 million Baha'is, and the
> largest Baha'i community can be found in India.
>
> Baha'i doctrines teach the complete equality of men and women and the
> unity of all humanity. Followers of this faith consider themselves
> to be working toward a world government where extremes of poverty
> and wealth, along with all forms of persecution, will be eliminated.
>
> ---
>
> One finds all sorts of chicanery, nepotism and favouritism in the
> Palestinian Authority, all requirements for progress on the standard
> western-backed 'third world' model. Most of Arafat's cronies have
> questionable allegiances, and many also have their greedy mitts in
> the western aid coffers. For example, Abu Mazen, who is a Baha'i and
> believed to be in line as successor when Arafat outlives his
> usefulness, recently purchased a luxurious home in Ramallah, but
> through some shady wheeling and dealing he still collects rent from
> the Palestinian Authority on the same piece of property. As a Baha'i,
> Abu Mazen is entitled to burial in the secretive sect's World
> Headquarters in Akka, Israel (that is, in the 1948 part of Occupied
> Palestine).
>
> With 'peace' comes 'progress' to Palestine
> By J A Progler in Ramallah Muslimedia: September 1-15, 1997
> http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/palprog.htm
Susan Maneck
>MENTIONING it, and basically keeping it a secret; not openly denying
>it, but "hiding" it.
Darrick,
You are ignoring the fact that no evidence whatsoever has been produced to
proof he is a Baha'i. All we have if some allegations.
And he is most certainly not on the Baha'i rolls. Here is an account from
Haaretz.com regarding Abu Mazen:
He does not forget to ask that I write he is still awaiting an apology by
former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit, who said in a newspaper interview that
Abbas belongs to the Bahai faith. Shavit explained at length in the interview
that a Bahai cannot become a Palestinian leader.
That false rumor has been lately disseminated by people with ill-will toward
Abbas. He is angry at The Jerusalem Post for prominently reporting that posters
claiming he is Bahai are appearing in Arab countries. "This is not the first
time that people spread that malicious rumor. I sued a Jordanian newspaper for
publishing it. Regrettably, the person I sued passed away before the court
ruled unequivocally that the report was false. I am a believing Muslim, son of
a family of believers, and committed to the religion's commandments."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=297637&contrassID=1
Steve Marshall
Ha'aretz:
Old spies don't fade away
A week has gone by since Shabtai Shavit, the former head of the
Mossad, promised to apologize publicly if it turns out he misled the
public with the "news" he provided in an interview with Yedioth
Ahronoth on December 7, when he said that Abu Mazen doesn't have a
chance to inherit Arafat's seat because Abu Mazen "is an ethnic
Bahai." As a matter of fact, Bahaism is a religion, not an ethnic
group.
Shavit's "fact" is meant to buttress his thesis that if Israel removes
Arafat, nobody will fill his shoes and the Palestinian issue will
disappear from the international agenda. Shavit explained that the
likelihood of a Bahai becoming leader of the Palestinians is about the
same as a Samaritan becoming president of Israel.
Last Wednesday, Shavit said that while his source for the "fact" is
reliable, he would make sure it wasn't really Hamas disinformation
meant to harm one of the Oslo architects. To make things easier for
the former head of the Mossad and his secret sources to get to the
truth, I called Shmuel Elgrabli, the Israeli adviser to the Bahai
Center in Israel. Elgrabli, who also learned about Abu Mazen's
purported Bahai connection from the Shavit interview, had an answer
ready, on behalf of the Bahai Center. "Mr. Abu Mazen is not known to
the center and does not appear on its rolls."
So, maybe Shavit's reliable source knows something about Abu Mazen's
Bahai beliefs that isn't known to the Bahai Center?
To save Shavit and his sources the time and effort, I called Prof.
Moshe Sharon, who holds the Bahai Studies chair at the Hebrew
University. He also read the interview with Shavit, and he also raised
an eyebrow. If the former head of the Mossad had called an expert,
maybe he wouldn't have been embarrassed by disseminating baseless
information.
Sharon: "It's impossible for Abu Mazen to be Bahai. First of all, if
the Bahai say someone isn't Bahai, then there's no chance they are.
They know all their members and they have complete rosters of their
members. Secondly, according to the Bahai religion, it is absolutely
forbidden for a believer to live permanently in the Land of Israel,
between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. If you decide to be a
Bahai, you have to immediately leave the country (all the Bahai in
Israel are temporary emissaries). Third, according to the faith's
founder, Baha-Allah (1817-1892), Bahai are prohibited from any
nationalistic political activity (as opposed to international
frameworks). A Bahai cannot be Arafat's deputy."
But to remove any doubt, Sharon emphasizes that one of the tenets of
faith for the religion says that a person is not born Bahai, and every
believer must "seek the truth" personally. Therefore, Abu Mazen can
not be "the son of a Bahai family that converted to Islam." And
Bahaism, after all, is banned in all Arab countries.
So, how did Abu Mazen end up being called a Bahai? The answer may be
buried in the Palestinian leader's name - Mahmoud Abbas. The original
name of Abdul-Baha ("the servant of glory"), the great proselytizer of
the Bahai faith worldwide, was Abbas Effendi. So, maybe Abu Mazen is a
descendant of that same Abbas Effendi, for whom a street is named in
Haifa? Nope. Sharon says that the Bahai leader only had daughters, so
there's no significance to the family name. Shugi Effendi, the last
Bahai leader, was the grandson of Abbas Effendi, through his eldest
daughter. Besides, Abbas is a common name among Persians.
http://www.uga.edu/bahai/News/121801.html
...But if Nima wants to contact the House for an official denial, he
should go for it.
Steve
Susan Maneck
>...But if Nima wants to contact the House for an official denial, he
>should go for it.
He thinks he can just bully the House on the internet and they will take it
upon themselves to answer him.
errol9
> The reason why I know more than you about the Baha'i
> Faith, little worm, is because *I* pay attention.
Sure your pride in disclosing your Bahai knowledge is one of the gave away's
to being a AO mole.
>
> You were probably drunk half the time!
And your story about working in a pub and getting pissed recently was a
ringer to put those on TRB off your AO mole scent. Why would a someone who
tell's us he has an MSC (in science & maths) be working in a backstreet pub?
You are an AO mole. Here is another proof. Why would a non Bahai ( who
declares himself an Atheist) be so concerned in defending Susan maneck
against Fred as you have here?
How come your friend Dermod dosnt attack you everytime you stick your AO
mole neck out to viciously defend Susan? Is it because he is a Patsy also?
Finally, why can Susan not come onto Karen's Bahai debate forum and defend
herself, she has to leave it to Paul the AO mole to do it for her? Also is
it because this would also show up Karen and Susan in the same camp?
Errol
Subject: Kelly & Maneck, Baha'i scholar
fglaysher
9/11/03 11:38 AM 1 out of 5
Dear non-bahai observer,
Please understand and reflect on how desperate the fundamentalists are among
my fellow bahais to prevent your investigation into what role the bahai
administration played in the death/suicide of Dr. David Kelly.
For background on Susan Maneck, see
Susan Maneck, Baha'i scholar:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck8.htm
"In short, she has lied and made misleading statements about me in the past
and this recent statement of hers is just another example of her lack of
honesty." - Steven Scholl
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Scholl4.htm
"...she has behaved toward me in an academic setting with dishonesty and
deceit in such a way as deprives her of the right to debate me publicly. She
spied on me and lied about it. She betrayed confidences in
such a way as to cause her academic colleagues to demand and get her
resignation from a position she had held." Professor Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole20.htm
"Isn't it sort of suspicious that she shows up at AOL
backbiting me so assiduously on a forum where I am not
even present? ... Is the only way to stay a Baha'i
to capitulate morally in this way?" Professor Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole19.htm
"As for Maneck's relationship to the Baha'i authorities, she has herself
boasted to common friends of ours of corresponding with House members about
how to 'deal with Cole', and she served as a spy on an academic editorial
committee for counselor Ghadirian, passing over to him detailed reports on
confidential discussions, one of which she accidentally sharedwith an
editor. And now she wishes to make my revelation of this role itself a
reason for which *I* should be thought delusional?"
Professor Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole74.htm
Further details on Baha'i scholar Susan Maneck at
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm
See her slandering other views as garbage:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck3.htm
See her slandering other views as litter:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck7.htm
See also messages related to her abuse of AOL :
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOL.htm
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AOLcensorship.htm
HIKMAT
Outside observers should be especially careful and alert to Hikmat & Taqiya,
"wisdom" and dissimulation, key Baha'i concepts
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/hikmatMENU.htm
Wisdom and Dissimulation: The Use and Meaning of Hikmat in the Baha'i
Writings and History
http://bahai-library.org/articles/hikmat.html
The Practice of Taqiyyah (Dissimulation) in the Babi and Bahai Religions
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/notes/vol3/taqiya.htm
An outside view of hikmat and taqiya
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/hikmat2.htm
Baha'i scholar Susan Maneck has a particularly notorious reputation for
practicing hikmat
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm
Steven Scholl regarding Susan Maneck, Baha'i scholar:
"But this is laughable when one looks at Dr. Maneck's publishing career. She
has penned a few Baha'i articles of marginal value published by internal
Baha'i agencies. In short, she has one of the weakest publishing histories I
have ever seen in academics
and her academic profile is nearly nonexistent. Maneck has attempted
(unsuccessfuly) to discredit the work of Juan Cole and now Karen with her
Baha'i blather. Yet it is Juan and Karen who are publishing in refereed
academic journals, and Karen has done this as a freelance writer rather than
as a trained academic."
"Susan, if you think you really have something to say, write it up and
submit it to a non-Baha'i publisher and see if they will accept YOUR
methodology and YOUR use of sources."
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Scholl4.htm
PaulHammond
9/11/03 3:59 PM 2 out of 5
Susan Maneck doesn't post around here, so what are you talking about Fred.
Please understand and reflect on how desperate the fundamentalists are among
my fellow bahais to prevent your investigation into what role the bahai
administration played in the death/suicide of Dr. David Kelly.
Which fundamentalists do you accuse of trying to prevent investigation into
Kelly's suicide on Beliefnet?
Paul
fglaysher
9/12/03 8:03 AM 4 out of 5
Dear non-bahai observer:
Susan Maneck, Bahai scholar, typifies the concealed anti-Western hatred
behind the veneer of brotherly love and peace routinely publicized by the
fundamentalists among my fellow bahais. Her allegation that the US bombed a
mosque during Friday Muslim prayers reveals a great deal about both her and
the Baha'i Faith, as it is ruled and controlled by the "universal" house of
(in)justice in Haifa, Israel:
Maneck writes in a current thread on talk.religion.bahai:
> Actually, it was the US who carried out the act of terrorism
>on a mosque during Friday service.
--
EVIDENCE grows... Dr. David Kelly & the Baha'i Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly.htm
Mai Pederson (Al-Sadat) Arab Kuwaiti American Baha'i
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/KellyMai.htm
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
I suggest the objective non-bahai observer consider the testimony of others
regarding Susan Maneck, Baha'i scholar:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck8.htm
"In short, she has lied and made misleading statements about me in the past
and this recent statement of hers is just another example of her lack of
honesty." Steven Scholl
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Scholl4.htm
"...she has behaved toward me in an academic setting
with dishonesty and deceit in such a way as deprives her of the right to
debate me publicly. She spied on me andlied about it. She betrayed
confidences in such a way as to cause her academic colleagues to demand and
get her resignation from a position she had held." Prof. Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole20.htm
"Isn't it sort of suspicious that she shows up at AOL
backbiting me so assiduously on a forum where I am not
even present? ... Is the only way to stay a Baha'i
to capitulate morally in this way?" Prof. Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole19.htm
"As for Maneck's relationship to the Baha'i authorities,she has herself
boasted to common friends of ours of corresponding with House members about
how to 'deal with Cole', and she served as a spy on an academic editorial
committee for counselor Ghadirian, passing over to him detailed reports on
confidential discussions, one of which she accidentally sharedwith an
editor. And now she wishes to make my revelation of this role itself a
reason for which *I* should be thought delusional?"
Prof. Juan Cole
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole74.htm
Further details on Baha'i scholar Susan Maneck at
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm
PaulHammond
9/12/03 10:26 AM 5 out of 5
Fred, quotes Susan Maneck thusly:
Actually, it was the US who carried out the act of terrorism on a mosque
during Friday service.
Yeah, and then she provided the links to back up her claim, which is more
than you can manage.
Here is the appropriate Usenet post from this morning.
So, when we've quite finished talking about someone who isn't here - perhaps
you'd care to mention which fundamentalist it is you say is trying to
prevent discussion of Dr Kelly's suicide around here?
Then, after that, maybe you can provide your evidence for your claim that
the Baha'i Faith is trying to disown Dr Kelly?
Paul
Sekhmet
>And the IRA blew up the Europa Hotel in Belfast so many times it is listed
>in the Book of Records as the most bombed hotel in the world. Of course
>they're not Zionists or Palestinians or Iraqis ... so it doesn't count!
Still, it's a record which one can hope will never be equaled, or broken!
--Sekhmet
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Paul Hammond" <paha...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:c977f97b.03091...@posting.google.com...
> > sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message
news:<20030911200832...@mb-m28.aol.com>...
> > > >itish, Jewish or Russian political plot, Baha'is put
> > > >something in the coffee to make other people into Baha'is,
> > >
> > > Tea, tea.
> > >
> > > > Baha'is all have orgies at their nineteen day feasts.
> > >
> > > What stories do you suppose Nima will make up about those?
> >
> > No story can come close to or touch the *facts* about Mai Pederson
> > Al-Sadat and her career as a spook.
>
> is a Baha'i" story.
In the shady world of intelligence and especially with Mossad, things are
never what they seem to be and never were what they are.
I was recently reading how for over 20 years the brother of a person well
known in IRA/Sinn Fein/Republican circles was working for .... the Police
and Army, although he also was involved in those same circles. Ergo any
statements emanating from an intelligence apparat into the public domain may
not be worth the paper they're written on. They say things to destroy those
they perceive as threats; say things to get agents infiltrated into areas of
interest. If the only confirmation that this guy is not a BIGS comes from
Mossad Aliyah Bet, treat it cum grano salis.
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
> >
> >> No story can come close to or touch the *facts* about Mai Pederson
> >> Al-Sadat and her career as a spook.
> >
> >Do we know any facts about that yet?
>
> No, but what the heck, we can make them up!
We didn't make up the FACT that she is a BIGS serving in the armed forces of
the US of A. Observers will realise that members of the armed forces are
trained to kill and that membership is voluntary. Are not BIGS supposed not
to join the armed services and, if drafted, apply for status as a
Conscientious Objector? In an all-Volunteer force, where there is no
compulsion to join, there can be no Conscientious Objector status. And all
activities in the armed forces are ultimately directed towards killing ....
even and especially military intelligence.
Aw Shit! I quite forgot you won't be reading this because I never have
anything worthwhile to say, keep asking rhetorical questions and am
spiritually corrosive! Good excuse for your failure to respond to this and
much else besides. And, of course, we all know that your real reason for
kill-filing me is that you CANNOT answer the questions I pose without
exposing the hypocrisy of the nasty cult you have sworn to uphold.
Pip pip for now!
--
"Still kill-filed after all these months! Cadwych y cyswilt."
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Cal E. Rollins" <crol...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10807-3F...@storefull-2336.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Dermod,
>
> Are those army surplus blankets that Susan uses in her dance the ones
> meanly handed down a while back by the military to some of our
> reservations? They were infested with small pox and killed off an awful
> lot of people. Say it isn't so!
No!
Paul Hammond
>
> Finally, why can Susan not come onto Karen's Bahai debate forum and defend
> herself, she has to leave it to Paul the AO mole to do it for her? Also is
> it because this would also show up Karen and Susan in the same camp?
>
> Errol
>
Susan isn't on Beliefnet.
Slagging someone off behind their back is the mark of a coward.
I point out that it is a waste of Fred's time to put his
"we hate Susan Maneck" posts up on a forum to which she
never goes.
Go on. Go and discuss your pathetic little theories
about me over on Nima's ego-fellatio list. That's all
they are good for. Go give him a good blow job.
Paul
BTov
> >If the Gentle German army were occupying Palestine or the West Bank then
> >every time a single German soldier was killed by the resistance an entire
> >Palestinian village or West Bank village would be lined up and all the men
> >and women would be shot in the head, maybe even the children if they felt
> >like it.
>
> Dear Randy,
> My recollection is that the Germans would kill ten people for every German
> killed. But if you compare the statistics of Israeli vs. Palestinian dead,
> you'll see it comes up to just about that.
> warmest, Susan
do jews line 'em up & shoot 'em palistanians?
BTov
so how many buses & cafes had jews blown up during the warsaw ghetto uprising? ;L
Susan Maneck
>do jews line 'em up & shoot 'em palistanians?
Nope, they just answer rocks with machine guns. Just as effective.
Pat Kohli
Dermod Ryder wrote:
Likely their organization was riddled w/ Bad Bad bahooeys, so it should count!
Best wishes!
errol9
How many nights a week do you get pissed Paul in the pub you work in.
Is it one of those pubs where you can get a blow job?
>
> Paul
Darrick Evenson
sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20030913013607...@mb-m07.aol.com>...
Susan Maneck
>who cares?
Obviously you cared enough to engage in groundless speculation.
Pat Kohli
BTov wrote:
I think it is the IDF and the settlers, and I see no attempts to line them up before hand.
Some soldier in a tank shot a kid in a car or jeep a few weeks ago. The government has a hit list, and
non-listed Palestinians who happen to be in the area can and do get killed when the IDF is assasinating the
listed Palestinians. Israeli citizens who are not Jews are not safe.
Lately Israel decides who should lead the Palestinian community, and who should not lead the Palestinian
community.
Freethought110
> Bahai beliefs that isn't known to the Bahai Center?
Or that the baha'i center is not telling.
> Sharon: "It's impossible for Abu Mazen to be Bahai.
And how in the world would Moshe Sharon know? We know he is on the
payroll of the baha'i world centre for heading that chair at the
Hebrew University. But unless he is allowed into the sanctum of all
the uhj's files his is a guess and a possibly a PR white-wash.
>First of all, if
> the Bahai say someone isn't Bahai, then there's no chance they are.
Bullshit! The baha'is in Sa'udi Arabia have been dissimulating their
faith for decades because if even one of them admitted to their creed,
the Wahhabis would cut them to bits before they knew what hit them.
> So, how did Abu Mazen end up being called a Bahai? The answer may be
> buried in the Palestinian leader's name - Mahmoud Abbas. The original
> name of Abdul-Baha ("the servant of glory"), the great proselytizer of
> the Bahai faith worldwide, was Abbas Effendi. So, maybe Abu Mazen is a
> descendant of that same Abbas Effendi, for whom a street is named in
> Haifa? Nope. Sharon says that the Bahai leader only had daughters, so
> there's no significance to the family name. Shugi Effendi, the last
> Bahai leader, was the grandson of Abbas Effendi, through his eldest
> daughter. Besides, Abbas is a common name among Persians.
> http://www.uga.edu/bahai/News/121801.html
How lame can you possibly get! The name "Abbas" is a common Arab name
like Smith in English. Abbas Effendi wasn't the first person in the
last 1400 year history of the Mid East to be named Abbas. Abbas was
the name of the Prophet Muhammad's uncle, whose progeny founded the
Abbasid dynasty. There have been Abbas' right, left and center in the
Arab/Islamic world, as there are now. The MOSSAD whose business it is
to know all the intricate details of every leader of the Palestinian
movement just wouldn't goof on something as big as this or repeate
mere rumours by Islamist detractors.
> ...But if Nima wants to contact the House for an official denial, he
> should go for it.
I don't talk to the supreme house of ignorance/bayt'ul-jahl-e asghar.
However Dr Maniac is welcome to write her employers there and post
their *official* response here.
Freethought110
They blew German military targetts. Maybe the Palestinians should do
more on that score, just like Hezbollah did in driving the IDF out of
southern Lebanon.
Freethought110
> >
> >...But if Nima wants to contact the House for an official denial, he
> >should go for it.
>
> He thinks he can just bully the House on the internet and they will take it
> upon themselves to answer him.
Tell your supreme house of ignorance/bayt'ul-jahl-e asghar to put up
or shut up! The onus is on them to categorically deny Mahmoud Abbas'
baha'i status. So far they have refrained from doing so, which adds
more to the suspicion of their all too common methods of cover-up!
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Pat Kohli" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
news:3F63699A...@ameritel.net...
> > And the IRA blew up the Europa Hotel in Belfast so many times it is
listed
> > in the Book of Records as the most bombed hotel in the world. Of course
> > they're not Zionists or Palestinians or Iraqis ... so it doesn't count!
>
> Likely their organization was riddled w/ Bad Bad bahooeys, so it should
count!
Nah! The Belfast Brigade of the Provisional IRA, which took the credit for
a lot of the bombing, is based in West Belfast. You won't actually find a
Bahooey in West Belfast - the houses are far too small and the carparking is
totally inadequate.
Paul Hammond
That false rumor has been lately disseminated by people with ill-will toward
Abbas. He is angry at The Jerusalem Post for prominently reporting that posters
claiming he is Bahai are appearing in Arab countries. "This is not the first
time that people spread that malicious rumor. I sued a Jordanian newspaper for
publishing it. Regrettably, the person I sued passed away before the court
ruled unequivocally that the report was false. I am a believing Muslim, son of
a family of believers, and committed to the religion's commandments."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=297637&contrassID=1
What's this? Chopped liver?
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
They sure did here is one of their heroic deeds..........Errol
La Mon house" Petrol Fire-Bomb Massacre
February 17th 1978
When will there be a £54 million pound inquiry set up to bring the
terrorists who committed this heinous crime to justice? Or are there two
laws in operation in Northern Ireland? Sinn Fein IRA lobby hard for public
inquires but their memories are very selective. All we hear about is "Bloody
Sunday", Dublin, Monaghan, Finucane and Nelson. What about the atrocities
against the Protestants of Northern Ireland? How could they forget about
"Teebane, Claudy, Enniskillen" and many many more. They forget because the
Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein were the ones who carried out these and many more
atrocities.
Twelve people were "Incinerated" when the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein left a
fire-bomb at "La Mon House", Gransha, a country hotel outside Belfast. Of
the twelve people killed seven of the victims were women. All who died were
attending the Annual dinner dance of the Irish Collie Club and were
Protestant Civilians. Three married couples were amongst the dead. Over 400
people were packed into the La Mon hotel on the night of the bombing.
Members of the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motorcycle
Club were settling down to enjoy dinner dances at the popular hotel.
The people who died at in the "La Mon" fireball explosion were as follows:-
Thomas Neeson 52 yrs old married with three children car salesman Civilian
Dorothy Nelson 35 yrs married with two children Civilian
Gordon Crothers 30 yrs old married with one child Civilian
Joan Crothers 26 yrs married one child Civilian
Ian McCracken 25 yrs old married Civilian
Elizabeth McCracken 25 yrs old Civilian
Sandra Morris 27 yrs old married with three children Civilian
Sarah Wilson Cooper 62 yrs old married with children Civilian
Christine Lockhart 32 yrs old married and a Civilian
Daniel Magill married Civilian Carol Mills27 yrs old married Civilian
Paul Nelson 37 yrs married with two children Civilian
Carol Mills 27 yrs married Civilian
The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein terrorist left petrol cans attached to window
grills with meat hooks.
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/la%20mon.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"Bloody Friday" Friday 21st July 1972 -
Massacre of Innocent Civilians in Belfast
by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein terrorists as over twenty no warning bombs
are detonated in a crowded City centre.
The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein detonate twenty bombs in just over an hour
killing nine and maiming over one hundred innocent people going about their
daily lives
Nine people were killed when the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein detonated twenty
bombs in just an hour, 130 people were injured some seriously. Four
Ulsterbus employees were killed. There was wide spread panic as the bombs
went off one after another all over Belfast City.
On the right is a picture of a fireman shovelling up the remains of a dead
body into a plastic bin bag.
In his Memoirs of a Statesman, Brian Faulkner wrote "Few Ulster people
will forget seeing on television young policemen shoveling human remains
into plastic bags in Oxford street."
"The carnage and injuries caused by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein terrorist
bombs are no different than the bombing of the Twin towers in America,
September 11th 2001. The difference being the United states wines and dines
Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein Terrorists with links to 'FARC' in Columbia and
'ETA' in Spain - why is there a difference made of IRA/Sinn Fein and Bin
Laden - are there good terrorists and bad terrorists?, or is it more a case
of the 'Irish' Vote needed by the American congress representatives?"
Some of the people were blown to pieces their remains having to be shovel up
off the street into plastic bags. Of the 21 bombs that exploded two of the
bombs caused the nine fatalities.
The "Bloody Friday" victims are as follows:-
Robert Gibson 45 yrs married with 5 children Ulsterbus driver, Protestant
and a Civilian
William Kenneth Crothers 15 yrs of age single Ulsterbus employee, Protestant
and a Civilian
William Irvine 18 yrs single Ulsterbus employee, Protestant and a Civilian
Thomas Killops 39 yrs married Ulsterbus employee, Protestant and a Civilian
Stephen Cooper 32 yrs Soldier with the Royal Corps of Transport, 32 Squadron
Philip J. Price 27 yrs Soldier Welsh Guards
Margaret O'Hare 37 yrs mother of seven children, Catholic and Civilian
Stephen Parker 14 yrs old school boy, the youngest, Protestant and Civilian
Brigid Murray 65 yrs, Catholic and Civilian
A car bomb which exploded at Oxford Street station killed four Ulsterbus
employees and two soldiers. Another car bomb claimed the lives of two women
and a school boy.
Full story
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/bloody%20friday.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here' another one of the IRA Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.......Errol
>
>
"The Enniskillen Remembrance Day Massacre"
8th November 1987 - 11 people dead
(The Poppy day bombing)
The bomb went off on Remembrance Sunday, a day dedicated to Britain's war
dead.
Just before 11.00am on 8th November 1987 a Provisional IRA bomb exploded
without warning as people gathered at the war memorial in Enniskillen for
the annual Remembrance Day service. Eleven people were killed and 63
injured, nine of them seriously, when the three-story gable wall of St
Michael's Reading Rooms crashed down burying people in several feet of
rubble. The Provisional IRA admitted responsibility the following day.
Many of those killed and injured in the blast had come to honour soldiers
killed in action. Amateur video footage of the immediate aftermath horrified
people in both communities and the bombing was condemned on all sides.
The "Poppy day massacre victims are as follows:-
William Mullen 72 yrs, married with children and retired (Civilian)
Angus Mullen 70 yrs married (Civilian)
Kitchener Johnson 70 yrs married murdered with his wife Jessie (Civilian)
Jessie Johnson 70 yrs married murdered with her husband Kitchener.
(Civilian)
Wesley Armstrong 62 yrs married murdered with his wife Bertha (Civilian)
Bertha Armstrong 53 yrs married and murdered with her husband
Wesley.(Civilian)
John Megaw 68yrs (Civilian)
Edward Armstrong 52 yrs member of the 'Chosen Few' Orange Lodge and a member
of the RUCR
Georgina Quinton 72 yrs widow with four children. (Civilian)
Marie Wilson 20 yrs single and was a nurse (Civilian)
Samuel Gault 49 yrs (Civilian)
All of the dead were Protestants and civilains apart from one man who was a
member of the Reserve RUC.
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"Teebane Cross Road Massacre" January 17th,1992
of Protestant Construction workers by The Irish Republican Army (IRA)
The IRA bomb exploded killing eight Protestant civilians who had been
raveling in a minibus past Teebane crossroads between Cookstown and Omagh,
County Tyrone. The men had been working at a military base in County Tyrone
and were travelling home when the attack occurred. Peter Brooke, then
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, appeared on the Late Late Show on
Radio Telefis Éireann (RTE) and was persuaded to sing 'My Darling
Clementine'. [Unionists accused Brooke of gross insensitivity in agreeing to
sing on the show following the Teebane bombing. Brooke later revealed that
he had offered his resignation over the
>
Full story
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/teebane.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"The Shankill bomb Massacre"
23th October 1993 - 9 Protestants dead
As the people of the Shankill Road in Belfast went about their daily lives
two Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein members walk into Frizzell's fish shop dressed
in white coats looking like delivery men. With them they carried a bomb
which was to deliver death and destruction and reduce the shop to rubble
seconds later. They had the bomb on a short timer of approx 11 seconds which
was to secure their own escape, but not the innocent people doing their
shopping in the immediate area. As they walked into the shop there were men,
women and children in Frizzells. They knew that all of these people would
die but that did not deter them on their deadly mission of murdering
innocent civilians in a Protestant area of Belfast.
The Shankill bomb massacre victims were:-
John Desmond Frizzel 63 yrs Protestant married with three children a
Civilian
Sharon McBride 29 yrs one child, daughter of John Desmond Protestant and
Civilian also died
George Williamson 63 yrs Protestant married with two children a Civilian
Gillian Willamson 49 yrs Protestant married with two children a Civilian
Evelyn Baird 27 yrs two children Protestant and a Civilian
Michelle Baird 7 yrs old schoolgirl Protestant and a Civilian
Leanne Murray 13 yrs old schoolgirl Protestant and a Civilian
Michael Morrison 27 yrs three children Protestant and a Civilian
Wilma McKee 38 yrs two children Protestant married and a Civilian.
Thomas Begley was one of the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein who died planting the
bomb which killed all of these innocent Protestant people. A life in hell
fire is his reward and may it burn long and hot for eternity. The
Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein member who accompanied Begley was severely injured
in the blast but survived and was given nine life sentences.
The judge said "This wanton slaughter of so many innocent people must rank
as one of the outrageous atrocities endured by the people of this province
in the last quarter of a century."
Full Story
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/shankill%20bombing.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"The Darkley Gospel Hall Massacre"
20th November 1983 - 3 people dead
As the congregation sang the hymn "Are you Washed in the blood of the lamb"
the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein gunmen arrived and murdered three Protestant
Church elders, and wounding several others in the congregation.
The victims were:-
William Harold Brown 59 yrs married three children Farmer
John Victor Cunningham 39 yrs married two children
David Wilson 44 yrs married two children Farmer
The Massacre of Protestant Church Worshippers as they were at a Sunday
evening service was described by the leaders of the four main churches as
"an act of sectarian slaughter on a worshipping community which goes beyond
any previous deed of violence". As the congregation sang the hymn "Are you
Washed in the blood of the lamb" the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein gunmen
arrived and murdered three Protestant Church elders.
Full story
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/darkley%20massacre.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"The Claudy Day Massacre" - Bloody Monday
31st July 1972 - 9 people dead
When will there be a £54 million pound inquiry set up to bring the
terrorists who committed this heinous crime to justice? Or are there two
laws in operation in Northern Ireland? Sinn Fein IRA lobby hard for public
inquires but their memories are very selective. All we hear about is "Bloody
Sunday", Dublin, Monaghan, Finucane and Nelson. What about the atrocities
against the Protestants of Northern Ireland? How could they forget about
"Teebane, Claudy, Enniskillen" and many many more. They forget because the
Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein were the ones who carried out these and many more
atrocities.
A local person said "the Provos were responsible for the killings, sure even
the dogs' on the street know they are responsible".
The first person to die, on what became known as Bloody Monday, was
eight-year-old Kathryn Eakin. She was killed when the first bomb exploded
outside McElhinney's Pub at Main Street at 10.15am. Kathryn was struck by
shrapnel as she helped out at her father's grocery shop.
On the right is a picture of Kathryn Eakin's headstone she was only eight
years of age.
Panic-stricken people ran from the scene only to be caught in blasts from
two other explosions, at Claudy post office and the Beaufort House hotel,
which claimed the lives of a housewife and four other men.
In the following week, three other people died as a result of their
injuries.
The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein victims where as follows:-
Joseph McCluskey 39 yrs Catholic Civilian
Kathryn Eakin 9 yr old child Protestant Civilian
David Miller 60 yrs Protestant Civilian
James McLelland 65 yrs Protestant Civilian
William Temple 16 yrs old Protestant Civilian
Elizabeth McElhinney 59 yrs Catholic Civilain
Rose McLaughlin 51 yrs
Patrick Connolly
Arthur Hone
While the names of the dead fast flowed into the bottomless depths of
Northern Ireland Troubles' statistics, each name carried a story of courage,
youth and family. David Miller, a road worker, was caught in the second bomb
as he helped carry the injured victims from the scene of the first bomb.
Liz McElhinney was serving petrol at the family-run pub and petrol station
when she took the full force of the first bomb and died instantly.
Full Story
http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/claudy%20massacre.htm
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"The Claudy Day Massacre" - Bloody Monday
31st July 1972 - 9 people dead
How a priest told of carrying out the Claudy slaughter
An Ulster-born priest sensationally offered yesterday to confess everything
that he knows about the 1972 Claudy massacre in which nine people died.
The elderly cleric, who has been in England since he was ordained, contacted
the News Letter to say that he wants to tell all that he knows to the police
before he dies.
The priest said that he had been łmost touchedąą by a two-page feature in
the News Letter on July 31, the 30th anniversary of the three-bomb IRA blitz
on the Co Londonderry village. A copy of the feature was sent to him by a
friend.
The priest said: łThis article reawakened the horrible memories I have of
the event.ąą He said that, if a new police investigation into the Claudy
massacre was opened, he would reveal his identity and help the relatives of
those killed and maimed at Claudy to find justice.
In letters to Mary Hamilton, deputy mayor of Derry City Council and herself
a survivor of the atrocity, and to me at the News Letter, he recalls how a
fellow-priest who had joined the IRA had confessed to him his role in
the planting of the no-warning bombs in Claudy. In the letter, he names a
Roman Catholic priest, who had attended the same seminary as him, as the man
who led the bombing. He revealed: łWe were not close but, as we were both
from the north, we had something in common. ŚŚHe was sent to South Derry and
moved in many parishes there. We exchanged cards at Christmas and Easter.ąą
He received a letter from the South Derry priest, complaining about the
situation in Northern Ireland. łHe was very bitter about the British Army
and blamed them for most of the trouble. ŚŚHe appeared to hate the English
people and I didnąt like his tone as I have some wonderful Christian English
friends here.ąą In the middle of 1972, he received a letter from the South
Derry priest, who told him that he had been sent to Donegal. łHe asked that
I call to see him the next time I was home. He would like to speak as a
matter of some urgency.ąą He said that he went to see the priest in Malin
Head at the end of the summer of 1972, shortly after the Claudy massacre. łI
met a changed man,ąą he wrote. ŚŚWe talked long into the evenings about the
situation in the north and then, one evening, John broke down in a flood of
tears and said he had a terrible story to tell. ŚŚI listened in silence to
what he had to say and now recount as well as I can what he told me. łHe
said that he was horrified at the injustices done to the Catholic people and
decided to do something for the people. ŚŚHe became a member of the IRA and
was soon in charge of a small number of volunteers. ŚŚHis unit was ordered
from Derry city to plant bombs in Claudy to ease the pressure on the IRA in
the city and so they planted the bombs. ŚŚIt was their intention to phone a
warning as they passed through Dungiven on the way home but found that all
telephones were out of order. łWhen he heard what happened in Claudy, he was
horrified.ąą The South Derry priest said that, when he heard that łthe
police were on to himąą, he got a posting to Malin Head. łWhen I heard this,
I was speechless and we both prayed for forgiveness and for the victims of
Claudy. łI advised him to make his peace with God. ŚŚHe told me a lot of his
work in the IRA and the names of some of the volunteers and he was afraid,
if any of them were arrested by the police and tortured, they would break.
ŚŚI told him I wanted to hear no more and left early the following morning.
łI never saw him again and we had no more contact. ŚŚSome years after this,
he died in Donegal. I didnąt go to the funeral but I think he was buried in
Maghera.ąą
The English-based priest told me: łThis horrible affair has been with me now
for 30 years and it has been hanging over me like a black cloud. ŚŚI must
talk to someone before I die. łI am an old man now and I must meet my maker
with a clear conscience. ŚŚThe souls of the deceased are crying now, not for
vengeance but for justice. ŚŚIf what this Father told me is true and I
have no reason to doubt his word this was collusion of the most sinful
kind and, as Christians, we have a duty to put things right with God.ąą
He has appealed to Mrs Hamilton to make an official complaint to the Police
Ombudsman in Belfast łthat this awful deed is properly investigatedąą. Then,
he said, he is prepared to łreveal myself and fully co-operate in the
investigation˛. łI will tell all that I know of the IRA murders in Claudy,ąą
he told me bluntly. łI was most touched by your article in the News Letter.
Published: 17/09/2002
Susan Maneck
>What's this? Chopped liver?
>
It is Mahmoud Abbas' own denial that he is a Baha'i. But apparently that isn't
good enough for Nima. If he can't get a rise out of the House of Justice itself
he will feel deprived. I got my answer from the Office of External Affairs and
I'm not going to bother the World Centre with bogus claims. I post their letter
below.
warmest, Susan
January 8, 2003
Ms. Susan Maneck
Dear Bahá'í Friend,
We received with appreciation your email of January 3, 2003, in which you
share with the Office of External Affairs an article recently posted to the
AOL Bahá'í Message Board, and ask about the article's claim of a link
between Abu Mazen and the Bahá'í Faith. You have most likely noticed that
the article is more than five years old, and the Bahá'í institutions have
been aware of it for some time. Unfortunately, it is an obvious attempt to
discredit Abu Mazen; he is not a Bahá'í, and we have no information as to
why he is said to be one.
<snip>
We very much appreciate your having written to the Office of External
Affairs about this matter. Please do not hesitate to write again in the
future, should you have any further questions or information.
With loving Bahá'í greetings,
Office of External Affairs
National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of the United States
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
"Ballykelly, Dropping Well disco bombing Massacre"
6th December 1982
When will there be a £54 million pound inquiry set up to bring the
terrorists who committed this heinous crime to justice? Or are there two
laws in operation in Northern Ireland? Sinn Fein IRA lobby hard for public
inquires but their memories are very selective. All we hear about is "Bloody
Sunday", Dublin, Monaghan, Finucane and Nelson. What about the atrocities
against the Protestants of Northern Ireland? How could they forget about
"Teebane, Claudy, Enniskillen" and many many more. They forget because the
Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein were the ones who carried out these and many more
atrocities.
As everyone relaxed and enjoyed the disco, "evil stalked the disco" in the
guise of the INLA closely aligned to the Provisional IRA. The Irish National
Liberation Army, which broke away from the IRA in 1974, claimed
responsibility for the bomb, saying it had warned civilians not to mix with
the British army. As everyone enjoyed the disco the INLA planted a five
pound bomb of semtex next to the main ceiling supporting pillar. When the
bomb went off, the dance floor was packed, as people danced to a slow
record.
Eleven soldiers and six civilians are killed by the INLA bomb, as masonry
fell on them as the roof of the building collapsed. The Irish National
Liberation Army are similar to the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein terrorists,
there is no difference between these two groups as members frequently move
back and forth when their cause suits.
Of the 150 people at the disco thirty are injured. Of those killed 11 were
members of the British Army and 6 were civilians - 4 Protestant; 1 Catholic
(1 born outside Northern Ireland) One of the injured soldier's was paralysed
from the waist down, while two others lost limbs.
Cardinal O'Fiaih decribed the killings as a "gruesome slaughter".
The Ballykelly bomb victims were:-
Ruth Dixon 24 yrs old single Protestant Civilian
Patricia Cooke 21 yrs old died a week later in hospital
Alan Glen Callaghan 17 yr old Protestant Civilian
Valerie Anne McIntyre 17 yr old single Protestant Civilian
Clare Elizabeth Watt 25 yr old single Protestant Civilian
Stephen Smith 24 yr old married
Philip McDonough 26 yr old married soldier, Cheshire Regiment
Stephen Bagshaw 21 yrs old single soldier, Cheshire Regiment
Clinton Collins 20 yrs old married soldier, Cheshire Regiment
David Murray 18 yrs old single soldier, Cheshire Regiment
David Stitt 27 yrs old single soldier, Cheshire Regiment
Shaw Willamson 21 yrs old single soldier, Cheshire Regiment
Neil Williams 18 yrs old single soldier, Cheshire Regiment
Terence Adams 20 yrs old single Army Catering Corps
Paul Delaney 18 yrs old single Army Catering Corps
David Salthouse 23 yrs old married Light Infantry
Angela Hoole 19 yrs old single hairdresser Civilian
Margaret Thatchers in the House of Commons the following day said "This is
one of the most horrifying crimes in Ulster's tragic history. The slaughter
of innocent people is the product of evil and depraved minds and the act of
callous and brutal men" (Hansard, sixth series, vol. 33, col. 708).
On a proposed visit by Sinn Fein/IRA to London at the invitation of the
Greater London Council Margaret Thatcher denounces this as a cynical ploy.
BTov
where did they blow german military targets? how many military
installations did they blow up in germany? ;L
> Maybe the Palestinians should do
> more on that score, just like Hezbollah did in driving the IDF out of
> southern Lebanon.
this arab bozo sheite nasralla's full of shit & lies as he's always
been..
barak's decision to serve clinton & leave lebanon had to be twisted
into the hizbulla victory because they didn't have much to proud about
except their butts sore from israeli boot kicks LOL
Cal E. Rollins
True, it is interesting to find out how many Baha'is there must be when
exciting things start to happen. But we forget that many Baha'is heeded
the words of 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian to excel, learn languages,
and make money. Although Mormons seem to have heeded the Guardian's
bidding more than we have, we haven't done so badly getting into
influential jobs and key places to find out what's going on around the
world. I know a number of Baha'is in interesting positions around the
globe. I know a Mormon who met a Baha'i in the Colosseum in Rome and
was working in the Vatican. So go figure! --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Who the heck is Sabet Imani? What did I miss? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
I would venture to say that you and very few on this list know more than
anybody else about the Baha'i Faith. One of the interesting things
about our religion is those of us who consider themselves learned know
almost nothing about the Faith other than what has been parroted and
carried forward as Gospel. I daresay, those who can't speak Persian and
Arabic and do original research are like the blind leading the blind.
It reminds me of the slogan on the walls of the Lighthouse for the Blind
here in San Francisco: "We're the blind leading the blind, and we like
it." --Cal
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
> >
> >What's this? Chopped liver?
> >
>
> It is Mahmoud Abbas' own denial that he is a Baha'i. But apparently that
isn't
> good enough for Nima. If he can't get a rise out of the House of Justice
itself
> he will feel deprived. I got my answer from the Office of External Affairs
and
> I'm not going to bother the World Centre with bogus claims. I post their
letter
> below.
>
had been a BIGS would his name have appeared on US membership rolls? Does
Wilmette have access to overseas membership details?
Cal E. Rollins
Thanks. I've read just about everything that comes across on Internet
(and TRB) about the Hutton Inquiry, although I've not been able to
decipher it all as you seem to have been.
My question about Pederson is whether the House of Justice can require
her to testify before the Inquiry. I suspect if she were subpoenaed to
testify before the American Congress' hearing and was employed by the
Department of Defense she'd be there on the spot in a New York minute.
One would think the House of Justice would have the same kind of
influence on her. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Well, I've long thought about the comments made to my pilgrimage group
and to that of my wife and kids by a member of the Universal House of
Justice that we just about own Akka and that it will be the first Baha'i
city. So it doesn't surprise me a bit that Abu Mazen is a Baha'i.
Wasn't it Constantine who got Christianity on the map? Maybe Mazen could
have been the new Constantine? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Again you've asked the right question about how Baha'i Mai could be a
military guy and carry a gun in her purse to boot. Lots of people I
know are buzzing with that question. Maybe the Inquiry will, too, at
some point.
Star, I don't know how you missed that salient point, since you're
pretty much on top of things. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Maybe the House of Justice will answer him. According to you, they
speak to you directly whenever you bid them to. I certainly would find
Nima's potential question more interesting than some of yours. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
"No?" Does that mean it's so about Susan's pox infested dance blankets?
Are you speaking English or Spanish here? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Susan slagged me a lot on TRB and other lists, and I wouldn't have known
about it except from little birds who told me. So you better put her on
your list of cowards, although to her credit she has no compunction in
regards to biting--back and front get equal billing. --Cal
Pat Kohli
BTov wrote:
> freetho...@yahoo.com (Freethought110) wrote in message news:<83b59396.03091...@posting.google.com>...
> (snip)
> > > so how many buses & cafes had jews blown up during the warsaw ghetto uprising? ;L
> >
> > They blew German military targetts.
>
> where did they blow german military targets? how many military
> installations did they blow up in germany? ;L
>
> > Maybe the Palestinians should do
> > more on that score, just like Hezbollah did in driving the IDF out of
> > southern Lebanon.
>
> this arab bozo sheite nasralla's full of shit & lies as he's always
> been..
I don't see any Arab Shi'ite Bozo. Are you an Arab Shi'ite, or is there some other bozo you are describing as full of lies and
vinegar?
>
> barak's decision to serve clinton & leave lebanon had to be twisted
> into the hizbulla victory because they didn't have much to proud about
> except their butts sore from israeli boot kicks LOL
So it wasn't that they'd made a botch of it then, the IDF was just being generous, giving folks back their own country as a
mikvah? The West Bank will be a grand mikvah, when the IDF can pull the settlers out.
Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman
He is confusing the Warsaw Uprising where Jews did Kill a lot of German SS
soldiers expecting the Russian forces just outside the city to move in, and
the Balkin Resistance that many Jews Joined. The Russians stood still
outside the city till the uprising ended with many Jews Killed. The Balkin
Resistance did blow up troop and munition trains, raided bases and took out
the Germans in their offices and Barracks. Again a high percent if based
on the population of the areas of Jews did join that resistance movement.
They did not go into Germany and blow up busses, but constantly cut the
wires used for communications, blew up railway and street bridges, blew up
military trains and ambushed German Officers. In fact one of the reason
there were so many Jews within these Partisans as they were called, was that
the Jews that escaped Treblinka Death Camp in that uprising from within,
joined them in mass.
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was the taking of the Ghetto and killing all the
German Storm Troopers within those walls then fighting a desperate battle to
stay off Tanks and a lot of German Soldiers. They used Molotovs on the
tanks and shot at the soldiers. Given that they did not have much to fight
with they sure made a mess for the Germans. Had the Russian Divissions
moved in as was thought the rebelion there would have succeeded and saved a
lot of Russian (our Allies) lives. They chose to wait till the Jews were
killed then the order came and they moved in and took the city in one day
with a lot of casualties. Russia did not want to save the Jews just as
America and Britain did not. They turned away the refugees back to their
deaths, all of these so nobel nations as they want to think themselves to
be.
--
MattA
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MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
news:29249-3F6...@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
"Dermod Ryder" <grim_reaper MO...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bjv8ng$oj2$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
>> "Cal E. Rollins" <crol...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:10807-3F...@storefull-2336.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>> > Dermod,
>> >
>> > Are those army surplus blankets that Susan uses in her dance the ones
>> > meanly handed down a while back by the military to some of our
>> > reservations? They were infested with small pox and killed off an
awful
>> > lot of people. Say it isn't so!
>>>
>> No!
>
> "No?" Does that mean it's so about Susan's pox infested dance blankets?
> Are you speaking English or Spanish here? --Cal
Ok! If you feel so strongly about it I'll say .... "It isn't so!"
Pat Kohli
Dermod Ryder wrote:
> "Susan Maneck " <sma...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030914101719...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > >
> > >What's this? Chopped liver?
> > >
> >
> > It is Mahmoud Abbas' own denial that he is a Baha'i. But apparently that
> isn't
> > good enough for Nima. If he can't get a rise out of the House of Justice
> itself
> > he will feel deprived. I got my answer from the Office of External Affairs
> and
> > I'm not going to bother the World Centre with bogus claims. I post their
> letter
> > below.
> >
> This letter is from Wilmette. Has this guy ever been in the US? If he ever
> had been a BIGS would his name have appeared on US membership rolls? Does
> Wilmette have access to overseas membership details?
>
When they have five years to check out the details, they can get an answer.
In the thread you might see a relevant link posted by Steve Marshall.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Old spies don't fade away
A week has gone by since Shabtai Shavit, the former head of the Mossad, promised
to apologize publicly if it turns out he misled the public with the "news" he
provided in an interview with Yedioth Ahronoth on December 7, when he said that
Abu Mazen doesn't have a chance to inherit Arafat's seat because Abu Mazen "is
an ethnic Bahai." As a matter of fact, Bahaism is a religion, not an ethnic
group.
Shavit's "fact" is meant to buttress his thesis that if Israel removes Arafat,
nobody will fill his shoes and the Palestinian issue will disappear from the
international agenda. Shavit explained that the likelihood of a Bahai becoming
leader of the Palestinians is about the same as a Samaritan becoming president
of Israel.
Last Wednesday, Shavit said that while his source for the "fact" is reliable, he
would make sure it wasn't really Hamas disinformation meant to harm one of the
Oslo architects. To make things easier for the former head of the Mossad and his
secret sources to get to the truth, I called Shmuel Elgrabli, the Israeli
adviser to the Bahai Center in Israel. Elgrabli, who also learned about Abu
Mazen's purported Bahai connection from the Shavit interview, had an answer
ready, on behalf of the Bahai Center. "Mr. Abu Mazen is not known to the center
and does not appear on its rolls."
So, maybe Shavit's reliable source knows something about Abu Mazen's Bahai
beliefs that isn't known to the Bahai Center?
To save Shavit and his sources the time and effort, I called Prof. Moshe Sharon,
who holds the Bahai Studies chair at the Hebrew University. He also read the
interview with Shavit, and he also raised an eyebrow. If the former head of the
Mossad had called an expert, maybe he wouldn't have been embarrassed by
disseminating baseless information.
Sharon: "It's impossible for Abu Mazen to be Bahai. First of all, if the Bahai
say someone isn't Bahai, then there's no chance they are. They know all their
members and they have complete rosters of their members. Secondly, according to
the Bahai religion, it is absolutely forbidden for a believer to live
permanently in the Land of Israel, between the Jordan River and the
Mediterranean. If you decide to be a Bahai, you have to immediately leave the
country (all the Bahai in Israel are temporary emissaries). Third, according to
the faith's founder, Baha-Allah (1817-1892), Bahai are prohibited from any
nationalistic political activity (as opposed to international frameworks). A
Bahai cannot be Arafat's deputy."
But to remove any doubt, Sharon emphasizes that one of the tenets of faith for
the religion says that a person is not born Bahai, and every believer must "seek
the truth" personally. Therefore, Abu Mazen can not be "the son of a Bahai
family that converted to Islam." And Bahaism, after all, is banned in all Arab
countries.
So, how did Abu Mazen end up being called a Bahai? The answer may be buried in
the Palestinian leader's name - Mahmoud Abbas. The original name of Abdul-Baha
("the servant of glory"), the great proselytizer of the Bahai faith worldwide,
was Abbas Effendi. So, maybe Abu Mazen is a descendant of that same Abbas
Effendi, for whom a street is named in Haifa? Nope. Sharon says that the Bahai
leader only had daughters, so there's no significance to the family name. Shugi
Effendi, the last Bahai leader, was the grandson of Abbas Effendi, through his
eldest daughter. Besides, Abbas is a common name among Persians.
Presumably, a slip by a retired defense establishment official, no matter how
senior, shouldn't be cause for concern. But Shavit is one of two people (the
other is former central bank governor Jacob Frenkel) with whom Prime Minister
Sharon often consults. He's the man who convinced Sharon on September 11 that he
should quickly dress up Arafat as bin Laden. Perhaps he "revealed" to the prime
minister that there's no danger Abu Mazen, "of Bahai background" will fill
Arafat's shoes in the international arena?
http://www.bahaindex.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1670
Best wishes!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
Susan Maneck
>> had been a BIGS would his name have appeared on US membership rolls? Does
>> Wilmette have access to overseas membership details?
Dermod,
The Office of External Affairs deals with issues related to the relationship of
the Baha'i community with world affairs. They would most certainly have access
to this kind of information and not answer correspondence on such a sensitive
issue without obtaining accurate information first.
Susan
Paul Hammond
I would imagine if the House of Justice strongly expressed
their wish for a Baha'i to do something, then she would be
most likely to follow their advice.
Do you know whether the House of Justice is likely to
get directly involved in this issue? I would think
not.
The Hutton Inquiry itself has no powers to compel anyone
to testify, if they do not wish to help.
Unless Mai Pederson really does have something to tell
the inquiry that they couldn't find out by other means,
I would have thought it might be pretty inconvenient
for someone who lives in California to make themselves
available to an inquiry which sits in London, unless
she was already planning a trip to Britain in the
next two weeks.
Paul
Paul Hammond
> in article bk1aph$4gm$1...@sparta.btinternet.com, Dermod Ryder at grim_reaper
> MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 14/9/03 9:01 am:
>
> >
> > "Pat Kohli" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F63699A...@ameritel.net...
> >>> And the IRA blew up the Europa Hotel in Belfast so many times it is
> listed
> >>> in the Book of Records as the most bombed hotel in the world. Of course
> >>> they're not Zionists or Palestinians or Iraqis ... so it doesn't count!
> >>
> >> Likely their organization was riddled w/ Bad Bad bahooeys, so it should
> > count!
> >
> > Nah! The Belfast Brigade of the Provisional IRA, which took the credit for
> > a lot of the bombing, is based in West Belfast. You won't actually find a
> > Bahooey in West Belfast - the houses are far too small and the carparking is
> > totally inadequate.
> >
> Here is another one of the Bad Bad bahooeys heroic deeds.....Errol
>
>
Pat,
Error here has just posted nine news articles that he
apparently had on file pertaining to terrorist acts in
the troubles.
Do you think he had the slightest idea what you were
getting at when you said "Bad bad bahooeys"?
I thought it was obvious, but apparently not!
Paul
Freethought110
> That false rumor has been lately disseminated by people with ill-will toward
> Abbas. He is angry at The Jerusalem Post for prominently reporting that posters
> claiming he is Bahai are appearing in Arab countries. "This is not the first
> time that people spread that malicious rumor. I sued a Jordanian newspaper for
> publishing it. Regrettably, the person I sued passed away before the court
> ruled unequivocally that the report was false. I am a believing Muslim, son of
> a family of believers, and committed to the religion's commandments."
> http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=297637&contrassID=1
>
> What's this? Chopped liver?
Arguably, as well as a smokescreen! But, what's this? Paul Hammond a
self-confessed non-baha'i once again defending the interests of the
baha'i administration. Obviously Paul Hammond is an AO mole.
Freethought110
categorical and unequivocal published denial by the supreme little
house of ignorance/bayt'ul-jahl asghar itself is the only thing that
counts for anything. Look at it this way, if the uhj publishes a
disavowal of Mahmoud Abbas' baha'i status they would not only shut me
up but all those bad, bad Islamists who have it in for you guys and
secularists in the Palestinian leadership such as Abbas.
So, Dr Manic, snap your fingers and let the the eedjits on the Hill in
Haifa do the right thing, just once: Total disavowal of Mahmoud Abbas'
baha'i status. Let them put up or face the consequences by secular
opponents such as me and their Islamist opponents who will never buy
these third rate explanations.
sma...@aol.com (Susan Maneck ) wrote in message news:<20030914101719...@mb-m11.aol.com>...
Freethought110
>
> Clearly he *did* deny it.
Umm, dumbo, this isn't an unequivocal denial by Abbas himself. Duh!