Gospel Plagiarism" & bahai cultish indoctrinated mystical tosh
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>> Dear friends & newcomers to TRB
>> "It is stated in the blessed Gospel: Travel ye toward the East and
>> toward the West and enlighten the people with the light of the Most
>> Great Guidance, so that they may take a portion and share of
eternal
>> life.[Cf. Mark 16:15.]" 1 TABLET TO THE Bahá'íS OF THE
NORTHEASTERN
>> STATES http://bahai-library.org/writings/abdulbaha/tdp/sec-2.html
>>
>
> Of course this is a serious liberty taken with the original text of
> Mark 16:15.
>
> This same Abdul Baha, wishing to selectively use the gospel to spread
> the lies of his father, elsewhere denies the following verse
> Mark 16:19. And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken
> up into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God.
Agreed, this is why most christians, like Eric, Robert and QisQos on
this newsgroup will never accept bahaism because it evolved from
Shi'ite Islam. Most who become bahai's from the west have doubts about
christianity to begin with. I have yet to meet the bahai who said
he/she was a devout christian waiting for the return of their beloved
saviour and were so overjoyed Baha'u'llah had fulfilled the prophesy
of Christ's return. In fact most bahais I met were, and still are anti
christian.
True Christians do not believe the text in the Islamic Quran or the
bahai writings is Gods word. Why should they when they have their own
gospel scriptures? Baha'is (including the central figures) refuse to
accept all the text in the christian gospels is the word of god, yet
they use gospel text chameleon-wise whenever it suits them. But they
never differenciate what is literal or symbolic or what is the word of
God and what is not . This is where gospel plagiarism and oxymoronic
double speak trips up bahais when they try to project their wayout
views onto christians who know their biblical scriptures well.
The ambiguity amongst baha'is themselves over what is, and what is not
Gods word with regards written literature and tablets by non
Manifestations like Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi leaves bahaism open
to question, that this 19th century religion (or cult) is man made,
contrary to what bahais say about traditional christian church
doctrines.
A good example is the 14 Tablets of the Divine plan
by Abdul Baha. http://bahai-library.org/writings/abdulbaha/tdp/
Coming off with statements that Abdul baha's tablets are just
interpretations of his father's writings wont wash over most. Were are
the writings from Baha'u'llah Abdul Baha is supposed to have
interpreted from? Like the mysterious dissappearing 12th Iman I
suppose they are floating in mystical space over Najaf and Karbala?
Surely, if bahais dont want such tablets (written by a non
manifestation Abdul Baha) challenged as not being the word of God by
non bahai's, why do bahai's want to challenge ( in their literature)
the text in the christian gospel (written by non manifestation
Apostles) as not the word of god?
Errol
Pat Kohli
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> > reli...@yahoo.com wrote in message
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> >> Dear friends & newcomers to TRB
> >> "It is stated in the blessed Gospel: Travel ye toward the East and
> >> toward the West and enlighten the people with the light of the Most
> >> Great Guidance, so that they may take a portion and share of
> eternal
> >> life.[Cf. Mark 16:15.]" 1 TABLET TO THE Bahá'íS OF THE
> NORTHEASTERN
> >> STATES http://bahai-library.org/writings/abdulbaha/tdp/sec-2.html
> >>
> >
> > Of course this is a serious liberty taken with the original text of
> > Mark 16:15.
> >
> > This same Abdul Baha, wishing to selectively use the gospel to spread
> > the lies of his father, elsewhere denies the following verse
>
> > Mark 16:19. And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken
> > up into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God.
>
> Agreed, this is why most christians, like Eric, Robert and QisQos on
> this newsgroup will never accept bahaism because it evolved from
> Shi'ite Islam.
I believe that Eric and Robert have already told the readers that they had
accepted Baha'u'llah despite Baha'u'llah having come from a Shi'ite/Sufi
Muslim family. I suspect that QisQos was a Baha'i as well, but it would be
for him to say so.
> Most who become bahai's from the west have doubts about
> christianity to begin with.
Do you have surveys to that effect?
> I have yet to meet the bahai who said
> he/she was a devout christian waiting for the return of their beloved
> saviour and were so overjoyed Baha'u'llah had fulfilled the prophesy
> of Christ's return.
Have you asked any?
> In fact most bahais I met were, and still are anti
> christian.
>
What would you know about anti? You alleged that the Baha'is were anti-AA,
anti-Sikh, and now, anti-Christian. What is the basis of your latest
allegation?
>
> True Christians do not believe the text in the Islamic Quran or the
> bahai writings is Gods word.
Sure, when Jews accept the Gospel, as the word of God, they are religiously
Christians. In the same way, when a Christian accepts the Holy Qor'an as
the word of God, he or she is a Muslim, a Sikh or a Baha'i. When someone
accepts the Kitabi Aqdas as the Most Holy Book, they are a Baha'i. This
does not make someone anit-Christian. Jesus said that no one comes to the
Father but by Him; so, I don't see how Baha'is could be anti-Christian.
Perhaps you could explain yourself?
> Why should they when they have their own
> gospel scriptures?
Earlier in the so-called "Gospel Plagiarism" thread, you cited 'Abdu'l Baha
referring to the Gospel. This is the same Gospel that the Christians use.
Baha'u'llah affirmed the reliability of the Christian Gospels.
> Baha'is (including the central figures) refuse to
> accept all the text in the christian gospels is the word of god, yet
> they use gospel text chameleon-wise whenever it suits them.
Cite a passage. You already cited Joel Smith's essay on Elijah, though.
> But they
> never differenciate what is literal or symbolic or what is the word of
> God and what is not .
Much like in the Gospel, the reader needs to figure that out.
> This is where gospel plagiarism
If you are going to start one or more threads titled "Gospel Plagiarism"
would it be to much to ask for one example.
> and oxymoronic
> double speak
I will give you a point for talking about something you practice, but you
don't get a lot of points when you try to put your nonsense on others.
> trips up bahais when they try to project their wayout
> views onto christians who know their biblical scriptures well.
>
> The ambiguity amongst baha'is themselves over what is, and what is not
> Gods word with regards written literature and tablets by non
> Manifestations like Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi leaves bahaism open
> to question, that this 19th century religion (or cult) is man made,
> contrary to what bahais say about traditional christian church
> doctrines.
>
Perhaps you could cite examples?
>
> A good example is the 14 Tablets of the Divine plan
> by Abdul Baha. http://bahai-library.org/writings/abdulbaha/tdp/
>
You have tablets. Will you provide the other part, the ambiguity about
whether this is God's word? My guess is that, once again you are confused.
I believe that most Baha'is will see the directions and interpretations of
'Abdu'l Baha, and Shoghi Effendi as _authoritative_, w/o being the word of
God. I realize this is a difficult concept for you to grasp. Perhaps Brid
or Qisqos could explain to you that the Pope can speak authoritatively to
Catholics w/o being God Himself?
>
> Coming off with statements that Abdul baha's tablets are just
(noddy-sense snipped)
Best wishes!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
Susan Maneck
>for him to say so.
Yeah he/she said so in a different context. Now he/she is more Catholic than
the Pope. Sort of along the lines of Pope Pius XIII
>> Most who become bahai's from the west have doubts about
>> christianity to begin with.
>
>Do you have surveys to that effect?
I didn't. I loved the church. But my denomination did encourage people to think
about Christ's return.
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
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