1953 RELOADED
Al-Kafir Al-Kabir
again:
5-16-2003: FORWARD
New Front Sets Sights On Toppling Iran Regime
By MARC PERELMAN
FORWARD STAFF
A budding coalition of conservative hawks, Jewish organizations and
Iranian monarchists is pressing the White House to step up American
efforts to bring about regime change in Iran.
For now, President Bush's official stance is to encourage the Iranian
people to push the mullah regime aside themselves, but observers
believe
that the policy is not yet firm, and that has created an opportunity
for
activists. Neoconservatives advocating regime change in Tehran through
diplomatic pressure — and even covert action — appear to be winning
the
debate within the administration, several knowledgeable observers
said.
"There is a pact emerging between hawks in the administration, Jewish
groups and Iranian supporters of Reza Pahlavi [the exiled son of the
former shah of Iran] to push for regime change," said Pooya Dayanim,
pre! sident of the Iranian-Jewish Public Affairs Committee in Los
Angeles
and a hawk on Iran.
The emerging coalition is reminiscent of the buildup to the invasion
of
Iraq, with Pahlavi possibly assuming the role of Iraqi exile
opposition
leader Ahmed Chalabi, a favorite of neoconservatives. Like Chalabi,
Pahlavi has good relations with several Jewish groups. He has
addressed
the board of the hawkish Jewish Institute for National Security
Affairs
and gave a public speech at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of
Tolerance in Los Angeles, and met with Jewish communal leaders.
Pahlavi also has had quiet contacts with top Israeli officials. During
the
last two years, according to a knowledgeable source, he has met
privately
with Prime Minister Sharon and former prime minister Benjamin
Netanyahu,
as well as Israel's Iranian-born president, Moshe Katsav.
In another parallel to the pre-invasion debate over Iraq, an intense
policy b! attle is heating up between the State and Defense
departments over
what to do in Iran.
"The president, the vice president and, even more so, the Pentagon
support
regime change," said a source who follows the internal debate closely.
"But State does not want to meddle in Iran, so you have a big fight
right
now within the administration."
As was the case during the Iraq debate, Weekly Standard editor William
Kristol is leading the charge for a more aggressive policy on Iran. In
the
magazine's May 12 issue, he wrote an editorial pushing for covert
action
and other steps to trigger regime change in Tehran.
Advocates of a more restrained policy note that American and Iranian
officials meet regularly, but say that the disappointing performance
of
the reformist camp in Iran has undercut their efforts to promote
American
engagement with Iran.
"Some people at the Pentagon have concluded that the reformists are
just
mullahs with smiling faces and that regime change is the only way,"
said
Ga! ry Sick, director of the Middle East Institute at Columbia
University
and an advocate of engaging Iran. "They believe that Iran is ripe for
revolution, but I think this is highly questionable."
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputies Paul Wolfowitz and
Douglas Feith are known to support regime change, although they have
been
much less vocal about Iran than Iraq.
At a lower level, two sources said, Iran expert Michael Rubin is now
working for the Pentagon's "special plans" office, a small unit set up
to
gather intelligence on Iraq, but apparently also working on Iran.
Previously a researcher at the Washington Institute for Near East
policy,
Rubin has vocally advocated regime change in Tehran. He did respond to
e-mails seeking comment.
Intelligence sources have complained about what they describe as the
tendency of the secretive office to color intelligence on Iraq
according
to its hard line. "The office of spec! ial plans has been interviewing
people and gathering intelligence o n Iran in order to be ready to
support
democracy," a hawkish source said. "They have spent much more time
doing
that than the State experts on Iran."
Meanwhile, in Congress, Democrat Rep. Tom Lantos of California is
sponsoring a resolution supporting the people of Iran against the
regime.
Republican Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas has introduced an amendment
that would set aside $50 million to fund Iranian opposition television
and
radio stations in Los Angeles — most of which promote a restoration of
the
shah's monarchy — as well as human rights and pro-democracy groups.
Supporters of the shah's son, Pahlavi, have been supporting
Brownback's
amendment, know as the Iran Democracy Act. So has the main pro-Israel
lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
"We support efforts to encourage the people of Iran to cut the
regime's
ties to terrorism and its pursuit of nuclear weapons," said Rebecca
Dinar,
a spokeswoman ! for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
While
Morris Amitay, a former Aipac director and active hawk on Iran, told
the
Forward that it would only be natural for Jewish groups to openly back
regime change in Iran, most prefer to keep a low profile on this
issue.
For example, Pahlavi was slated to meet Iranian Jewish members of
Aipac at
the group's annual conference this spring. But Aipac officials,
worried
that it could be seen as inappropriate, scuttled the plan, two sources
said.
"The Jewish groups are telling Reza that they will give him private
support and help arrange meetings with U.S. officials," one of the
sources
said.
Iranian Jewish groups are playing a key role in forging the
relationship.
The Iranian Jewish Public Affairs Committee's Dayanim, a regular
contributor to the National Review Online, has been one of the most
active
hawks. He argued that support for Pahlavi among Iranian Americans may
haveless to do with deep pro-monarchist feelings than with his status
a s the
most recognizable opposition figure among immigrants.
Still, Dayanim acknowledged that many Iranian Jews were "in love with
Pahlavi" because they see his father's reign as a golden era for Jews.
Pahlavi has expressed support for democracy while calling for a
referendum
restoring the monarchy.
One key Pahlavi supporter who has become popular in Iranian American
circles is former Reagan administration official Michael Ledeen, now a
fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
In numerous addresses and articles, Ledeen has been arguing that the
mullah regime is on the brink of collapse and that the time has come
for
Washington to push it over the edge. He has joined with Amitay, ex-CIA
head James Woolsey, former Reagan administration official Frank
Gaffney,
former Senator Paul Simon and oil consultant Rob Sobhani to set up a
group
called the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. Several of them took part
May6 in a one-day American Enterprise Institute conference titled "The
Future
of Iran." During the event, Ledeen argued that help from outside
actors
was needed to help ignite revolutionary changes in Iran.
While Ledeen has not called for military action, some of his
declarations
appear to suggest that aggressive action could be taken.
Last month, Ledeen gave a speech to a pro-monarchist crowd in Los
Angeles.
In the question-and-answer session, he reportedly said that with $20
million, there could be a "free Iran" — and that he knew how best to
use
the money.
Ledeen, who was involved in the Iran-contra scandal but never charged,
declined comment.
Asked about the possibility of covert action, a member of the
Pentagon-linked Defense Policy Board answered with one word: "maybe."
He
refused to elaborate.
Asghar Akbari
work. USA needs to send in the
braves.
--
Asghar Akbari " Quaecomque Sunt Vera"
"Al-Kafir Al-Kabir" <kafira...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Coup, anyone?!? It's startin' to smell like summer 1953 all over
> again:
>
> 5-16-2003: FORWARD
>
> New Front Sets Sights On Toppling Iran Regime
>
> By MARC PERELMAN
> FORWARD STAFF
>
> A budding coalition of conservative hawks, Jewish organizations and
> Iranian monarchists is pressing the White House to step up American
> efforts to bring about regime change in Iran.
>
> For now, President Bush's official stance is to encourage the Iranian
> people to push the mullah regime aside themselves, but observers
> believe
> that the policy is not yet firm, and that has created an opportunity
> for
> activists. Neoconservatives advocating regime change in Tehran through
> diplomatic pressure - and even covert action - appear to be winning
> radio stations in Los Angeles - most of which promote a restoration of
> the
> shah's monarchy - as well as human rights and pro-democracy groups.
> million, there could be a "free Iran" - and that he knew how best to
CTG
"Asghar Akbari" <asgharak...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
Randy
--
Asghar Akbari <asgharak...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Alborz
since 25 years under influence of Zionist lobby they say
The Iranian Regime must be overthrown and the Reza Pahlevi must be back.
do you believe the current iranian army is the same army at the 1953 (army
of Shah) ?
do you believe the puppet Reza Pahlevi enjoys a popular support in Iran?
The IRI is a Islamic revolutionary regime .
you cann´t overthrown such regime by a coup like 1953
and you cann´t occupied Iran like Iraq.
The Result of this arrogant policy is only that Iran is feeling himself in
danger , It is going to develope nukes , biological and
Chemical weapons,
and because the Israel is source of all anti iranian activities , Iran will
support more Hamas and Hsbullah.
look what happened today in Jerusalem that will happen tomorrow in Iraq to
US. It is not a hollywood movie.
"Al-Kafir Al-Kabir" <kafira...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Coup, anyone?!? It's startin' to smell like summer 1953 all over
> again:
>
> 5-16-2003: FORWARD
>
> New Front Sets Sights On Toppling Iran Regime
>
> By MARC PERELMAN
> FORWARD STAFF
>
> A budding coalition of conservative hawks, Jewish organizations and
> Iranian monarchists is pressing the White House to step up American
> efforts to bring about regime change in Iran.
>
> For now, President Bush's official stance is to encourage the Iranian
> people to push the mullah regime aside themselves, but observers
> believe
> that the policy is not yet firm, and that has created an opportunity
> for
> activists. Neoconservatives advocating regime change in Tehran through
> diplomatic pressure - and even covert action - appear to be winning
> radio stations in Los Angeles - most of which promote a restoration of
> the
> shah's monarchy - as well as human rights and pro-democracy groups.
> million, there could be a "free Iran" - and that he knew how best to
Sufi Baha'i
want to replace them with that's the problem. Look at Iraq, the CIA
continues to promote an embezeller, who, when he was taking money from
the CIA could barely account for where a third of it went... Who's
spent most of his time in Iraq gathering evidence against his enemies.
"Randy Burns" <randy....@gte.net> wrote in message news:<djDxa.38590$Ur1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> Not likely.
>
> Randy
Starr*
> work. USA needs to send in the
> braves.
What has happen in the microcosm of the BF should alert Futurists that
it is not wise to follow similar paths. Thus, if and when, new
governments are formed in the East - if they are not inclusive of the
full equality of women they will fail and only be of barbaric use.
When omitting this MOST FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF THIS AGE (full
participation of women) everything tried without it is doomed to the
rubbish bin...for it is NOT THE MODEL THE SOURCE REQUIRES FOR A FUTURE
ZION.
Global Starr* News
17 May 2003
Neo/Trinity/Tahirih*
miss calm
"Alborz" <Alb...@interoperability.com> wrote in message
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> The US-policy against Iran is stupid and arrogant
> since 25 years under influence of Zionist lobby they say
> The Iranian Regime must be overthrown and the Reza Pahlevi must be back.
> do you believe the current iranian army is the same army at the 1953
(army
> of Shah) ?
> do you believe the puppet Reza Pahlevi enjoys a popular support in Iran?
> The IRI is a Islamic revolutionary regime .
> you cann´t overthrown such regime by a coup like 1953
> and you cann´t occupied Iran like Iraq.
> The Result of this arrogant policy is only that Iran is feeling himself
in
> danger , It is going to develope nukes , biological and
> Chemical weapons,
> and because the Israel is source of all anti iranian activities , Iran
will
> support more Hamas and Hsbullah.
What rubbish! Israel would love to forget the Islamic Terrorist Republic of
Iran existed if Iran would leave them alone. Israels only interest is
defending itself from Islamic scum in Iran who support Hamas, Hezbollah and
the rest of the pathetic Muslim garbage who are incapable of growing up and
smelling the modern world.
Asghar Akbari
Your problem is that you are idiot, Iran needs to get rid of mullahs not
because of Israel or USA.
They have been a disaster to Persian people. About the braves not doing it,
its a war that they HAVE to
do whether they like it or not.
--
Asghar Akbari " Quaecomque Sunt Vera"
"Alborz" <Alb...@interoperability.com> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
be doing it now with next year an election year in the US. Iraq is nothing
like Iran, in Iran there might be some serious bloodshed. Most likely the
CIA sees the young Pahlavi as being young, naive and foolish and feels that
the easiest way to handle him is to pretend to support him, while in reality
taking no active steps in his favor.
Randy
--
Sufi Baha'i <pe...@capebyron.com> wrote in message
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Pacifist
Different time, different dramatis personae the benefit of much experience
gained from the mistakes of 1953.
"Never Again" as certain people say in another context.
P ;-)
"Al-Kafir Al-Kabir" <kafira...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Coup, anyone?!? It's startin' to smell like summer 1953 all over
> again:
>
> 5-16-2003: FORWARD
>
> New Front Sets Sights On Toppling Iran Regime
>
> By MARC PERELMAN
> FORWARD STAFF
>
> A budding coalition of conservative hawks, Jewish organizations and
> Iranian monarchists is pressing the White House to step up American
> efforts to bring about regime change in Iran.
>
> For now, President Bush's official stance is to encourage the Iranian
> people to push the mullah regime aside themselves, but observers
> believe
> that the policy is not yet firm, and that has created an opportunity
> for
> activists. Neoconservatives advocating regime change in Tehran through
> diplomatic pressure - and even covert action - appear to be winning
> radio stations in Los Angeles - most of which promote a restoration of
> the
> shah's monarchy - as well as human rights and pro-democracy groups.
> million, there could be a "free Iran" - and that he knew how best to
NEMO418
Institute are taking active steps in promoting Reza Pahlavi and his
return. Richard Perle is a regular at the functions thrown by Pahlavi
in DC and now their is talk of giving US tax payer money to Pahlavi's
LA based satellite neworks. The CIA isn't calling the shots on Mid
East policy anymore. It is the Pentagon and Rummy and his chums want
Pahlavi.
Nima
"Randy Burns" <randy....@gte.net> wrote in message news:<ITQxa.18201$Hy3....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
Randy Burns
anyone, the question is will they put the steel in the velvet glove. There
is likely to be a lot of money spent before the end of Al Qaeda as well.
The CIA likes to make complicated bets based on complex game theory
equations. Most likely Pahlavi is just a convenient smokescreen. After if
you think he is incapable to doing much, why would the CIA believe
differently? Anyway there has been talk of a Radio Free Mideast based on
the whole cold war Radio Free Europe concept for about two years.
Randy
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Cal E. Rollins
I want Pahlavi, too. Remember that party the Shah gave awhile back?
Those hummingbird tongues cooked in honey; the real caviar not that
Russian stuff; the champagne; and the monkeys' brains sauteed in butter
and red wine? Yum! Were there any Baha'is there? How did the Guardian
react to their eating food cooked in wine? I don't imagine they drank
the champagne. And that Peacock Throne. I bet you won't find that in
the Archives Building or in the Humphrey Bogart Collection of fine
furniture on L.A.'s Rodeo Drive. Where is the Throne by the way? Are
the Ayatollah's sitting on it? --Cal
QisQos
> Nima, Randy,
>
> I want Pahlavi, too. Remember that party the Shah gave awhile back?
> Those hummingbird tongues cooked in honey; the real caviar not that
> Russian stuff; the champagne; and the monkeys' brains sauteed in butter
> and red wine? Yum! Were there any Baha'is there?
Cal,
This sounds like the fete thrown in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of
Doom"...um, no thanks I had bugs for lunch the woman protagonist said
in the movie.
QisQos
Cal E. Rollins
I suspect the script writers for "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom"
used the Shah's party for their inspiration. It was touted as the Party
of the Century, as I recall, and was bested only by that of Truman
Capote. Some clever and jaded pundit quipped that the Last Supper could
not compare to the world-shaking import of those two parties. Probably
true, don't you think? --Cal
NEMO418
>
> I want Pahlavi, too. Remember that party the Shah gave awhile back?
The 2500th anniversay of the Iranian monarchy, circa 1971.
> Those hummingbird tongues cooked in honey; the real caviar not that
> Russian stuff; the champagne; and the monkeys' brains sauteed in butter
> and red wine? Yum!
This wasn't the menu call. You're thinking Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom. The feeding for this event was flown over from a Paris
restaurant (courtesy of the Iran Air) called Maxim's.
> Were there any Baha'is there?
Many. Ayadi, Sabet, Yazadani and many more were in attendence.
>How did the Guardian
> react to their eating food cooked in wine?
Shoghi had already croaked by 1971.
>I don't imagine they drank
> the champagne. And that Peacock Throne. I bet you won't find that in
> the Archives Building or in the Humphrey Bogart Collection of fine
> furniture on L.A.'s Rodeo Drive. Where is the Throne by the way?
All the Iranian Crown Jewels (crowns, spectres, the Peacock Throne,
etc) were stored in a special vault of the Iranian National Bank.
That's where they were last seen. There were rumours that the
Ayatollahs had sold off some of them for hard currency. But apparently
they (or replicas) are still in Iran.
>Are
> the Ayatollah's sitting on it? --Cal
Rumour has it that Khomeini ordered the Crown brought to him in late
1979 and he privately sported it.
Nima
Asghar Akbari
they run when they know the serious guys is here. Remember the guy who used
to say "mother of all wars", you remember Osama guy. There will not be
WWIII, believe me it will be easier, I think when the braves march into
Tehran, the Persians will throw in flower at them.
--
Asghar Akbari " Quaecomque Sunt Vera"
"Pacifist" <Nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
choices now: the choice that France made after the revolution in choosing
Napoleon, or the choice that the United States made when choosing an open
democracy. If the democracy fails then they will end up like the USSR where
the early democracy was snuffed out by the communist interlopers. Building
a democracy in the teeth of this kind of opposition can only be done with
blood sweat and tears. People must be willing to lose their lives to foster
and protect democracy. Otherwise it will be like the USSR only changing to
democracy after 80 or so years of horror. Iran has had 20 years of horror,
is that long enough?
Cheers, Randy
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Asghar Akbari
terrorists are very clever. They have all sorts of militia. Shah and CIA
never dreamed of these militia. And they pay these guys to stay faithful.
The militia is bunch of
gangsters and they are fantastic for creating horrors. Fire in the
dormitories last year was a case in point. The surviving students are all in
jail and being tortured. The murderers are all free and being paid too.
Essentially Khatami's election proved that any resistance is futile and only
heavy weapons can make the situation more balanced. Its kind of dealing with
cockroach infestation, you gotta use the proper insecticide. This would be a
war that US must wage, all the terrorism in the world emanates from the
mullah's in Iran. That's their belief, they have done it for centuries but
were always controlled by the rulers, when the coward Shah abandoned Iran,
the cockroaches took over.
--
Asghar Akbari " Quaecomque Sunt Vera"
"Randy Burns" <randy....@gte.net> wrote in message
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Cal E. Rollins
Well, I may have made up the monkeys brains in wine from the T of Doom,
but not the hummingbirds' tongues. Vanity Fair, or wherever I read of
the account of the Shah party, mentioned the tongues. I distinctly
recall wondering how many tongues were in a serving--even in an
appetizer. And, yes, I know the Guardian was dead but that still
wouldn't keep him from being pissed if he saw the Baha'is drinking
champagne at that Shah party. Remember how he got mad if we even cooked
in wine? Even if it cooked off, it was the principle of the thing. One
of the things that put a damper on my wanting to be a chef. --Cal