Entry by troops: Christian
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assertion that Christianity is on the wane in Africa and that bahaism
and mahometanism are gaining the upper hand.
The following seems to contradict Adelard's conclusions:
"The Anglican Church has also been shaken up by the growing influence
of the developing world in their hierarchy, as in the case of
Archbishop Tay of Singapore who refuses to attend international
Anglican meetings called by Anglican bishops who support gay rights.
The rift among Anglican bishops between conservative Asians and
Africans and their Western colleagues has grown increasingly
rancorous. As Jenkins tells it, this rift reached a new dramatic level
in 2000 when Archbishop Tay and Archbishop Kolini of Rwanda ordained
two Americans as bishops under their authority. These Americans then
returned to the United States where they would become part of the
"Anglican Mission in America" which is to "restore traditional
teachings on issues like the ordination of gay clergy, and blessing
same-sex marriages: in short, to combat the ‘manifest heresy' of the
current U.S. church leadership." These new American-born bishops
answer not to the North American hierarchy, but to the Archdiocese of
Rwanda, and in a phrase that is a commentary on the state of Western
Christianity, Jenkins notes that these new bishops are in fact "White
soldiers following Black and Brown generals." "
The book review can be read in its entirety here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken83.html
Now, while Adelard may like to cast doom on the Christian faith and
blame the ills of his recent national catastrophe on Catholicism, it
does seem that Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, are
succeeding in the Southern hemisphere in ways very few suspect, if one
reads the article in its entirety. Yes the article speaks about
protestants as well, but the point is that traditional christian
values are taking firm hold in what will soon be the dominant world
populations, while America and Europe diminish through the practice of
birth control , abortion, apostasy and mahometan colonialism.
"Jenkins predicts that Christianity will have a "massive lead" over
Islam and that by "2050, there should be about three Christians for
every two Muslims worldwide." Naturally, the global competition
between Islam and Christianity will have global political implications
just as Huntington suggests, although while Huntington habitually
refers to the West as Christian, Jenkins wonders whether or not a
thoroughly secularized West will, in the long run, align itself with
those who control the oil, and if they are Muslims, so be it."
Clearly the novelties and moral relativism of bahaism do not provide
sufficient substance for those souls seeking traditional faith in the
Americas and Africa. The "entry by troops" would appear to be taking
place towards Christendom and not bahaism. Bahaism is a non-starter in
the race for souls.
QisQos
Randy Burns
all over Africa and growing much faster than Islam. I'm looking forward to
the first black African Pope!
Cheers, Randy
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Cal E. Rollins
As far as I can determine there have been three African Popes. Check
out : http://www.africanamericans.com/BlackSaints.htm
St. Augustine and his mom, St. Monica are the ones who blew my mind.
You sure don't hear they were black in Christian histories. Wasn't
there also a female Pope?
I wonder if the Faith will ever do anything about finding out who the
African folk were when and after they were slaves in the Bab's and
Baha'u'llah's Households? I know the Bab's died of dysentary at an
early age (what was in that heavenly Celestial Beverage ?), but what
happened to Baha'u'llah's?
Okay, Star. Don't get started about all the black Afnan and Aghsan
running around. No proof. --Cal
QisQos
> I don't know about Rwanda, but I've heard that Christianity is "hot to trot"
> all over Africa and growing much faster than Islam. I'm looking forward to
> the first black African Pope!
>
> Cheers, Randy
That should be interesting when it does happen, although it may not
happen in my lifetime.
Now you take care of yourself.
Peace be with you.
QisQos
Randy Burns
African-Latin. Aggie's Dad was a Roman citizen I believe. Yes I'm not
surprised that there were African Popes but all North African's from places
like Egypt, not from Central West. There will be a lot of pressure on the
Church's though, to maintain unity with the kind of growth they are
experiencing in the 4th world.
Cheers, Randy
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Randy Burns
churches already starting in those areas. Did you read the article in
Atlantic (?) a few months back?
Cheers, Randy
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Starr*
Cal - There is a lot more proof than you think sunshine. If you look
at some of the Iranian Baha'is you can easily see by the coloring of
their lips, the soul in their eyes, etc. that they have a lot of Black
heritage...all one needs to do is catch a few falling hairs or take a
tissue swab and presto----DNA will tell the story that you so much
would like to know during your life time.
You can go to LA Baha'i Center and meet some there or to the Gold
Coast of Oz, or even come here for a visit and you'll have plenty of
DNA.
See you aren't the only brilliant detective on the job.
Neo/Trinity-Tahirih/Bab/Starr*
Cal E. Rollins
What's the difference between a North African and a West African Pope?
Are you saying that he wasn't black because he was North African? Have
you been to North Africa?
I or the article didn't say St. Augustine was a Pope. He was an African
Church theologian and a saint, as far as I can tell. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Well, as Juan pointed out so brilliantly on Talisman, it doesn't take a
genealogist to know that there are black Iranian Baha'is. Ron Segal in
his book, _Islam's Black Slaves_, pointed out this fact, since thousands
upon thousands of black slaves were subsumed into the Persian
bloodstream during the 19th century. Did the slaves of the Holy
Households just fly away into Abha to be forever with their Lord? Well
the five in _Black Pearls_, did, but the rest hung around in Iran and
ultimately Haifa and Akka. We just don't know who they are, and
probably we never will. Unless the Mormons want to pull the plug on us
and come up with some more advanced genealogy, of which they are
imminently/eminately capable and willing some have discovered. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Oops! "imminently/eminently" in reference to Mormon genealogy. --Cal
Randy Burns
a Moroccan youth, she lives in NYC and he is a former soccer player who now
is a DJ in nite clubs. Do you know which African was a Pope?
Cheers, Randy
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Cal E. Rollins
That site I posted said there were three African Popes.
And, yes, on my travel to Spain and the Gold Coast North Africa was a
must. Lots of black folk of all colors. --Cal
QisQos
You may be interested in the folloing article, the next Pope being a
conservative (Thank God) African Bishop may not be far fetched. He is
nice and colorful, and if elected to the Chair of Peter, I hope does
good things to bring the Church away from the feminist cult of death
[http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/fiori3.html (You may get a kick out
of this woman's recent denunciation of feminism as an anti-life
culture of death)]
that has infiltrated its ranks over the past 40 years.
I found this in the Sydney Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/22/1053585647833.html
Cardinal's speech upsets university
May 23 2003
A Roman Catholic cardinal seen as a top contender to succeed Pope John
Paul II has sparked student and faculty protests at Georgetown
University with a remark he made about homosexuals in a commencement
speech.
A letter protesting against the speech by Cardinal Francis Arinze was
signed by about 70 faculty members at the Jesuit university and
delivered on Wednesday to Dr Jane McAuliffe, dean of the university's
school of arts and sciences.
Dr McAuliffe, a specialist in Islamic studies, invited Cardinal Arinze
- president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious
Dialogue - to speak on Christian-Muslim relations at the school's
graduation ceremonies last Saturday.
Instead, the Nigerian prelate told the graduates that happiness was
found not in the pursuit of material wealth or pleasures of the flesh,
but by fervently adhering to religious beliefs.
"In many parts of the world, the family is under siege," Cardinal
Arinze said. "It is opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in
contraception, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia. It is scorned and
banalised by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery,
mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two
by divorce."
Theresa Sanders, a professor of theology at the university, protested
by leaving the stage where Cardinal Arinze was speaking. Other
students upset with the comments also left, according to emails on a
subscription list used by many of the university's gay and lesbian
students.
Ed Ingebretsen, a professor of English at Georgetown and a priest in
the American Catholic Church, said on Wednesday that Cardinal Arinze's
remarks were in line with Catholic doctrine, but nonetheless seemed
out of place at the commencement ceremony.
"These things are exactly what he's paid to say," Professor
Ingebretsen said. "[But] it's a graduation; why he decided to do the
pro-family thing no one seems to know."
Professor Ingebretsen said he was compelled, as a writer, to post a
short apology on the email subscription list "on behalf of Catholics"
for Cardinal Arinze's "insensitive remarks", which he termed
"un-Christian".
Dr McAuliffe issued a two-sentence statement acknowledging that she
had been contacted by several students and faculty "to express their
reaction, both negative and positive" to the address. "As an academic
community, vigorous and open discussion lies at the heart of what we
do, and there are many different voices in the conversation."
Cardinal Arinze, 70, is widely mentioned as a candidate to succeed
John Paul II, which would make him the first African Catholic pope.
He ascended through the ranks of the church's hierarchy in Africa,
where Catholicism is flourishing. He was called by John Paul II in
1984 to work in the Vatican.
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QisQos
Cal:
Here is one of the black Popes you spoke of:
Pope Saint Miliades
Saint Miltiades was one of the Church's Black Popes. Militades
occupied the papacy from 311 to 314 A.D. serving four years, seven
months and eight days. Militiades decreed that none of the faithful
should fast on Sunday or on the fifth day of the week ...because this
was the custom of the pagans. He also found residing in Rome a Persian
based religion call Manichaenism. He furthered decreed that
consecrated offerings should be sent throughout the churches from the
pope's consecration. This was call leaven. It was Militiades who led
the church to final victory over the Roman Empire. Militiades was
buried on the famous Appian Way.
Pope Saint Militiades feast day is December 10th.
He is of course a saint in the Church canon as are the other two
African Popes:
Pope St. Victor (183-203 A.D.) and Pope St. Gelasius (492-496 A.D.)
Augustine of Hippo, while a great saint and theologian was not ever a
Pope. I do not know if he was "Black", but Hippo being a town now in
Tunisia, he may well have been, hard to say though, he may have been a
Phoenician, since of course the area was a remnant of Carthage.
QisQos
Brid
You might be interested to check out this site which gives information
on African Christianity and saints. There is also a link to a talk by
Dr. Albert Raboteau, Princeton University Professor of Religion on
African-American spirituality and Orthodoxy which you might enjoy.
http://www.stmaryofegypt.net/index.shtml
We do forget in the west that Christianity is an eastern religion
whose African dimension is often overlooked,
Brid
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Brid
gives this information:
African Popes
There were three African Popes who came from the region of North
Africa. Although there are no authentic portraits of these popes,
there are drawings and references in the Catholic Encyclopedia as to
their being of African background. The names of the Three African
Popes are: Victor (183-203 A.D.), Gelasius (492-496 A.D.), and
Mechiades or Militiades (311-314 A.D.). All are saints.
Pope Saint Victor 1
Saint Victor was born in Africa and bore a Latin name as most African
did at that time. Saint Victor was the fifteenth pope and a native of
black Africa. He served from 186 A.D. until 197 A.D. He served during
the reign of Emperor Septimus Severus, also African, who had led Roman
legions in Britain. Some of the known contributions of Victor were his
reaffirming the holy feast of Easter to be held on Sunday as Pius has
done. As a matter of fact, he called Theophilous, Bishop of
Alexandria, on the carpet for not doing this. He also condemned and
excommunicated Theodore of Byzantium because of the denial of the
divinity of Jesus Christ. He added acolytes to the attendance of the
clergy. He was crowned with martyrdom. He was pope for ten years, two
months and ten days. He was buried near the body of the apostle Peter,
the first pope in Vatican. Some reports relate that St. Victor died in
198 A.D. of natural causes. Other accounts stated he suffered
martyrdom under Servus. He is buried in St. Peter's Basilica in
Vatican City near the "Convessio."
Pope Saint Victor 1 feast day is July 28th.
Pope Saint Gelasius 1
Saint Gelasius was born in Rome of African parents and was a member of
the Roman clergy from youth. Of the three African popes, Gelasius
seems to have been the busiest. He occupied the holy papacy four
years, eight months and eighteen days from 492 A.D. until 496 A.D.
Gelasius followed up Militades' work with the Manicheans. He exiled
them from Rome and burned their books before the doors of the basilica
of the holy Mary. He delivered the city of Rome from the peril of
famine. He was a writer of strong letters to people of all rank and
classes. He denounced Lupercailia, a fertility rite celebration. He
asked them sternly why the gods they worshipped had not provided calm
seas so the grain ships could have reached Rome in time for the
winter. He wrote to Femina, a wealthy woman of rank, and asked her to
have the lands of St. Peter, taken by the barbarians and the Romans,
be returned to the church. The lands were needed for the poor who were
flocking to Rome. His theory on the relations between the Church and
the state are explained in the Gelasian Letter to the Byzantine
Emperor Anastasius. He was known for his austerity of life and
liberality to the poor.
There is today in the library of the church at Rome a 28 chapter
document on church administration and discipline. Pope Saint Gelasius
1 feast day is November 21st.
Pope Saint Miliades 1
Saint Miltiades was one of the Church's Black Popes. Militades
occupied the papacy from 311 to 314 A.D. serving four years, seven
months and eight days. Militiades decreed that none of the faithful
should fast on Sunday or on the fifth day of the week ...because this
was the custom of the pagans. He also found residing in Rome a Persian
based religion call Manichaenism. He furthered decreed that
consecrated offerings should be sent throughout the churches from the
pope's consecration. This was call leaven. It was Militiades who led
the church to final victory over the Roman Empire. Militiades was
buried on the famous Appain Way.
Pope Saint Militiades feast day is December 10th.
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blacks, too. --Cal