Cultist thinking

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 5:54:33 PM12/14/09

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Faryar, one of the notable and immediately identifiable
characteristics of cultist thinking of all shades is to relish and
gloat over the misfortunes of your ideological enemies. This is also a
clear as day manifestation of sectarian bigotry and hatred which you
are demonstrating with increasing abundance here. It is also an
incredibly simplistic view of the world as well as demonstrating a
brainwashed mind incapable of seeing shades of grey or complexity.
Face it, there is absolutely no difference in your manichaean view of
the world and that of the Islamists or the most ultra-rightwing
Christian Evangelical fundamentalist or Scientologist. No wonder you
people have made common cause in Uganda with these people!

That aside, a truism expressed in the scriptures and writings of all
the world's authentic Traditions is that in this material world the
wicked prevail and flourish while the innocent and righteous always
suffer and are persecuted by the former. There is even a hadith in
Islam which outright states, the world is cursed (al-dunya mal'una)
and whomsoever holds to the vicissitudes of the world is likewise
cursed.

Given this, what you say about Subh-i-Azal from a scriptural and
Traditional point of view is exactly the opposite of what you say. If
from a Shi'ite point of view the glory and apotheosis of Imam Husayn
(as) was his loss and martyrdom at Karbala (or Christ in his
crucifixion), then it stands to reason that the usurpation Subh-i-Azal
suffered at the hands of his meglomaniacal older brother is a species
of the same kind of apotheosis, since the true mark of spiritual
veracity in this world is precisely this sort of material loss that
you are now relishing and gloating in.

Unfortunately you Baha'is, especially the Haifan Baha'is, are inducted
from an early age into inverted and countefeit narratives expressing
pure spiritual materialism. You honestly believe that material victory
of one sort or another constitutes and is thus analogous to spiritual
victory. I have news for you: IT DOES NOT! The opposite is usually the
case.

There is a hadith by one of the Imams that the Primal Point commented
upon. It states, "Kullu Yawm 'Ashura" (every day is 'ashura, i.e. the
tragedy, martyrdom and so apotheosis of Imam Husayn). The direful
mischief (fitna-i-saylam) instigated by you Bahais was the 'Ashura of
the people of Bayan, and you have the blood of countless Imam Husayns
such as Qahir, Siraj, Aba Wahid Muhammad Isfahani and others on your
hands. That is the blot and burden your founder will bear for all
eternity.

Now the days of this world are fleeting and its outrageous fortunes
too many to recount, so let those who say we believe cling to the
chemise, the hem of the robe of the All-High, in the horizons (afaq)
and in themselves (anfusihim), if, that is, they truly believe!

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:09:31 PM12/14/09

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If anything, you should be flattered that it had and still has such an
impact on them.

If that were true, especially from your own personal end, then there
would be no need to respond to any of us or mobilize entire armies of
your own people on the net to libel, defame and attack us because we
would be flattering you, as you say. Rather such behavior on your
collective part going for ages proves beyond any doubt that our words
and activities actually do matter to you; and they matter to you
because deep down you all know we are speaking the unalloyed, God-
honest-truth about your organization and what you people are, and that
if more people listened to us your game would finally be up!

Now we do what we do because we have a civic, moral and conscientious
duty as former Bahais to inform as many people in the world as
possible about you people, your organization and the clear and present
danger you represent. If we sat back and did nothing, then we would be
moral cowards and spiritual lightweights. Of course RUHI-ed minds such
as yours don't even possess the context to understand such blatantly
obvious facts and truisms.

And why don't you take your own medicine and argument at face value
here as far as Iran is concerned and actually be flattered (rather
than alarmed) at how you claim the regime treats your community.

Your capacity for self-delusion and denial is staggering, SG, and that
is why you are not an atheist (as you deceptively claimed) but in fact
a card carrying member of the Haifan Bahai organization.

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:10:37 PM12/14/09

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a card carrying member of the Haifan Bahai organization. No atheist
thinks like you, let alone talk such blithering nonsense as yours.

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 8:00:13 PM12/14/09

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I have been on the receiving end of their "warm Baha'i love" and this
kind of "love" consists of the fires of hell. They shun and attack
and hate and then they say it is love. They attack anyone who
believes differently than they do because they have great doubt about
the truth of their position. To see them in action, take a look at
the court action the heterodox Baha'is took against the Orthodox
Baha'is and the BPUPC: http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 8:00:30 PM12/14/09

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Another bullying tactic the Haifans Bahais regularly employ is to
begin agreeing with each other when the transparency of their hateful
tactics and duplicitous behavior is pointed out to them. In another
context JeffreyOBF said it best on the other blog, when he pointed
out,

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 8:08:08 PM12/14/09

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And such diction and phraesology is usually that which then justifies
in the name of such blind and arrogant self-righteousness the murder,
genocide or otherwise the wholesale disenfranchisement of peoples who
are deemed by such dangerous cultists to be dead leaf this and that.

O Iran and O world, this is what is in store for you if you do not
realize now what you are dealing with in this creed and organization!
You are dealing with dangerous utopians like the Islamists.

NUR

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:07:47 PM12/14/09

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Why don't you apply an even hand to the attacking of other people's
religions? Or is it the case you believe that some religions are more
equal than others?? Furthemore no one has actually forced you to come
here and read this blog, have they, whatever else you come here for?

Haifan Bahai Tactics

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
***6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas
on the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then
begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while
supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais***

AllBad

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:12:51 PM12/18/09

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You have found a topic where you have instant credibility: cultist
thinking. Anyone with any interest in this subject should read what you
know.

- All Bad

"NUR" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9faaa38e-bbe9-41d7...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> Faryar, one of the notable and immediately identifiable
> characteristics of cultist thinking of all shades is to relish and

> gloat over the misfortunes of your ideological enemies. (blather)

NUR

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Dec 21, 2009, 5:45:38 AM12/21/09

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See as well,
BAHAI CULT FAQ
http://bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

Pat Kohli
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Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.
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* 1 Background
* 2 Articles and Resources
o 2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
o 2.2 References
o 2.3 External Articles

Background

He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]

"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]

Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]

Articles and Resources