Jerusalem Bombing-- Who Is responsible?
Avicebron
Today's (04/09) bombing in Jerusalem that the terrorist group Hamas
declared its responsibility for, should not go without some
contemplation of what is behind it. Please notice the following:
1. The bombing is only 3 days before the designated day of the
withdrawals of the Israeli troops from certain parts of the territories
and 5 days prior to the expected visit of Ms. Albright to the region.
2. In all other suicidal operations, Palestinians had the most to loose.
More closure, less income, higher unemployment.... etc.
3. Hamas was established in 1988 under the eyes and nose of the Israeli
Shein Beit. It flourished within a year to become a super power in the
Palestinian politics.
4. Hamas leader ibn Marzook was released from US jails and Israel
refused to receive him amid threats from Hamas of more suicidal
bombings. Now, ibn Marzook is not far away from the American
intelligence building in Amman.
5, No Hamas member ever served more than 5 years in any Israeli jails
except their blind spiritual leader, Sheik Yasin, who apparently is
serving a political goal not a security concern.
6. Hamas members are moving freely in the West Bank between Israeli
military check posts.
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The critical question is why do we have suicidal bombings just before
any critical date like election or Israeli redeployment?
Why did the Israeli Shabak let Hamas burgeon in less than a year?
Why did not Hamas leaders get long term sentences like those who throw
rocks or cocktail bombs... 10 or 15 years in jails?
Why did Israel refuse to receive Hamas leader ibn Marzook although there
were more than sufficient evidences by the Israeli standards
(administrative detention--- needs only a statement of secret evidences
from Attorney General)????
Why Why Why????
Too many questions that lead to one conclusion:
There is nothing in the ancient or modern history of any Islamic
movement/s that justified suicidal bombing. Suicide is prohibited in
Islam to begin with and the penalty is the permanent stay in
hellfire....
Hamas is the ONLY Islamic movement to implement and allow suicide....
And who is reaping the benefits of these suicidal operations?
Certainly not the Palestinians. Palestinians yearn to finish the
redeployment of the Israeli troops. Only Netanyahu and those who stand
behind him whether at election time or now, the time of redeployment are
reaping all the benefits.
--
Shabatai Zvi, Chicago, IL, USA. http://www.hebron.com
Hebron Institute of Political & Religious Studies (HIPRS)
David Goldman
Is it possible that you are overextending the control of the Zionists?
We know they are not really concerned about human life, but that
devout Moslems would work with them sounds hard to believe.
David Goldman
Do you have any conclusive documentary evidence? It would sound rather
farfetched that devout Muslims would allow so many of themselves just
to be willing accomplices of the Zionists, who are their bitter
enemy....
David Goldman
Do you have any conclusive documentary evidence? It would sound rather
Avicebron
Avi Cohen Stuart wrote:
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> In article <340EE9...@anti.hachamamim.com> Avicebron <zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com> writes:
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> [...]
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> Too many questions that lead to one conclusion:
> There is nothing in the ancient or modern history of any Islamic
> movement/s that justified suicidal bombing. Suicide is prohibited in
> Islam to begin with and the penalty is the permanent stay in
> hellfire....
> Hamas is the ONLY Islamic movement to implement and allow suicide....
>
> keys to the Islamic Wal'allah to clear the mine fields.
>
> Avi.
Dear Avi.
Liberation movements including Zionist movements used kids all the way
through. Here, I am talking about -adults, sane- people going on
suicidal missions. And this is significantly different from sending kids
to war like other militant movements including the LEHI did.
Regards
--
Shabatai Zvi, (HIPRS) Chicago, IL, USA. http://www.hebron.com
"Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a
final arrangement- not with regard to the regime, not with regard to
borders, and not with regard to international agreements. History, like
nature, is full of alterations and changes."
David Ben-Gurion, War Diaries, Dec. 3, 1947.
(CF: David ben Gurion, War Diaries (Hebrew, Tel Aviv), 3 vols., ed. G.
Rivlin & E. Orren, pp. 22-23.)
Avicebron
> >There is nothing in the ancient or modern history of any Islamic
> >movement/s that justified suicidal bombing. Suicide is prohibited in
> >Islam to begin with and the penalty is the permanent stay in
> >hellfire....
> >Hamas is the ONLY Islamic movement to implement and allow suicide....
>
> >Certainly not the Palestinians. Palestinians yearn to finish the
> >redeployment of the Israeli troops. Only Netanyahu and those who stand
> >behind him whether at election time or now, the time of redeployment are
> >reaping all the benefits.
> >--
> >Shabatai Zvi, Chicago, IL, USA. http://www.hebron.com
> >Hebron Institute of Political & Religious Studies (HIPRS)
>
> Do you have any conclusive documentary evidence? It would sound rather
> farfetched that devout Muslims would allow so many of themselves just
> to be willing accomplices of the Zionists, who are their bitter
> enemy....
Do you have evidence that:
1. Islam allows suicide and/or
2. Islam allows killing civilians, women and children even in time of
war?
As far as documentary evidence, I say no I do not. Because I am not
Hamas nor an Israeli agent. I reached that conclusion based on
"reasoning" and analogy.... unless you show me a document that God
does/not exist!!! What kind of person are you?
Avicebron
eric...@alaskaair.com wrote:
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> In article <340EE9...@anti.hachamamim.com>,
> Triangle? Just as Israeli commandos can be ambushed by their targets, and
> the Iraqis gassed the Kurds on my American tax dollar, it never ceases to
> amaze me how reality can be such an illusion when it comes to State
> intelligence (?)
>
> My personal experience with the spooks of the Israeli Government stem
> from time spent in Angola, and Apartheid Era South Africa. Many soldiers
> with Israeli passports (Hmmmmmmmm) the so-called government troops using
> strictly UZI and AK-47 (Hmmmmmmmmmm) side arms/light weaponry. Any more I
> can't think anything is coincident when oil/water dollars are preserved
> by the sinister desires of the Israeli/US "special relationship".
>
> Could HAMAS be a tool of the Israeli government? That's entirely
> possible. But then it also just as plausible that IRAN-Contra happened
> just like Ron Rayguns remembers it, or that OJ really had nothing to do
> with Nicole's murder!!!
Our legitimate and concrete sources indicate that Hamas (((LEADERS)))
are creatures of the Zionists. They were created 5 or 6 months after the
Intifada and refused any and all cooperation with the UNL, the hitherto
PLO's underground under the pretense that the PLO is atheist, communist,
secularist... etc. Later, they held all kinds of coalitions with the
PFLP, DFLP, and Palestinian Communist Party to defeat Oslo. The Quran
was raised said by side with the communist and Marxist red flags all
over the national institutions in Palestine by Hamas. This is a
precedent in the history of the ""ISLAMIC? movements".
After they could not defeat Oslo, they boycotted the Parliamentarian
elections and declared any one who votes to be an apostate. Now, they
accepted a post in the Arafatic machine and are pressuring Arafat not to
postpone the municipal election as they intend to go through it.
In 1988, Hamas has almost aborted the Intifada through its supporters'
bloody confrontations with the supporters of the PLO. They wanted, by
force, to impose their agenda. All efforts to reconciles and compromise
with them failed because of their above religious fake pretense.
Regards
Avicebron
David Goldman wrote:
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> Do you have any conclusive documentary evidence? It would sound rather
> farfetched that devout Muslims would allow so many of themselves just
> to be willing accomplices of the Zionists, who are their bitter
> enemy....
Brother Dawood.
You understand the Jewish religion and can talk about it. But, since you
declare your self as a Jew, you have no say so of what Islam says or
does not say. Islam have always had enemies but never allowed suicide or
suicidal bombing.
Regards.
ps. if i was in your shoes, i would have avoided this thread because it
blows up your cover.
Giora Drachsler
You are dancing on the blood of a Zionist heretic ½ year old child
wounded and 12-14 year old school girls perished ? Who knows,
maybe your prayers are getting fulfilled.
I still don’t know if you can tie your peyot under your chin.
Have a cheerful day with 6 Zionist heretics less, more than
150 wounded.
--
Giora Drachsler
Hebrew University
Jerusalem, Israel
Gi...@cc.huji.ac.il
http://www.fiz.huji.ac.il/staff/adm/tech_admin/giora/
seyf ferjani
In article <3410C9...@anti.hachamamim.com>, Avicebron
<zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com> writes
>David Goldman wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any conclusive documentary evidence? It would sound rather
>> farfetched that devout Muslims would allow so many of themselves just
>> to be willing accomplices of the Zionists, who are their bitter
>> enemy....
>
>
>Brother Dawood.
>You understand the Jewish religion and can talk about it. But, since you
>declare your self as a Jew, you have no say so of what Islam says or
>does not say. Islam have always had enemies but never allowed suicide or
>suicidal bombing.
>Regards.
>ps. if i was in your shoes, i would have avoided this thread because it
>blows up your cover.
I have to remind you of the fatwa and the rules giving around such a
fatwa as yours, remeber, that killing in islam innharam unless certain
circumstances arise, so is drinking alcahol, unless cirtain
circumstances arrise for e.g. no water, or eating pork, if their is no
other meat....
So your comment shoud be retracted and is slanderous, my last comment to
you about this unless you want to further debate this, then give me your
proof based upon sharia, you see not all killing is haram, not alll
drinking of alcahol is haram, it all depends on the cuircumstances.
I advise you to read :
Al Mawaafiqaat fee Osoul al Sharia
Volumes 1-4 (1-2 are the most important)
By Abi Ishaq Al' shatibi
I have given you my advice, as a muslim I expect you to do as the koran
asks, if somone advises that you are slanderous to seace until, you are
certain.
I once asked you to ask your cousin, but my father already had an
extensive talk with the imams their... No need to say anymore.
--
seyf ferjani
Gary Rumain
Avicebron (zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com) wrote:
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:
: Brother Dawood.
: You understand the Jewish religion and can talk about it. But, since you
: declare your self as a Jew, you have no say so of what Islam says or
: does not say.
And since you declare yourself as a Muslim, you can have no say over what
Judaism does or does not say. !!!
Susan Cohen
--
"Those who study history are doomed to watch others repeat it."
William Wallace
On 7 Sep 1997 10:14:22 GMT, sher...@clark.net (Gary Rumain) wrote:
>Avicebron (zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com) wrote:
>:
>: Brother Dawood.
>: You understand the Jewish religion and can talk about it. But, since you
>: declare your self as a Jew, you have no say so of what Islam says or
>: does not say.
>And since you declare yourself as a Muslim, you can have no say over what
>Judaism does or does not say. !!!
Unless of course he is a American citizen.
===
All Uncle Bibi is missing is a bushy mustache. Or is that a
toothbrush mustache?
Avi Cohen Stuart
Avi Cohen Stuart wrote:
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> In article <340EE9...@anti.hachamamim.com> Avicebron <zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> Too many questions that lead to one conclusion:
> There is nothing in the ancient or modern history of any Islamic
> movement/s that justified suicidal bombing. Suicide is prohibited in
> Islam to begin with and the penalty is the permanent stay in
> hellfire....
> Hamas is the ONLY Islamic movement to implement and allow suicide....
>
> That is not true. Iran send about 10 years ago little kids with plastic
> keys to the Islamic Wal'allah to clear the mine fields.
>
> Avi.
Dear Avi.
Liberation movements including Zionist movements used kids all the way
through. Here, I am talking about -adults, sane- people going on
suicidal missions. And this is significantly different from sending kids
to war like other militant movements including the LEHI did.
References please.
Avi.
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Avicebron
Avi Cohen Stuart wrote:
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> In article <3410C6...@anti.hachamamim.com> Avicebron <zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com> writes:
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> Avi Cohen Stuart wrote:
> >
> > In article <340EE9...@anti.hachamamim.com> Avicebron <zvi...@anti.hachamamim.com> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Too many questions that lead to one conclusion:
> > There is nothing in the ancient or modern history of any Islamic
> > movement/s that justified suicidal bombing. Suicide is prohibited in
> > Islam to begin with and the penalty is the permanent stay in
> > hellfire....
> > Hamas is the ONLY Islamic movement to implement and allow suicide....
> >
> > That is not true. Iran send about 10 years ago little kids with plastic
> > keys to the Islamic Wal'allah to clear the mine fields.
> >
> > Avi.
>
> Dear Avi.
> Liberation movements including Zionist movements used kids all the way
> through. Here, I am talking about -adults, sane- people going on
> suicidal missions. And this is significantly different from sending kids
> to war like other militant movements including the LEHI did.
>
> References please.
>
> Avi.
My apology. I meant to say : [ Here, I (NOT) am talking about ...]
You are aware of course that the only people who carried out suicidal
mission were the Japanese in W.W.II
John W. Rockefeller
Avi Cohen Stuart wrote:
> That is not true. Iran send about 10 years ago little kids with
> plastic
> keys to the Islamic Wal'allah to clear the mine fields.
>
> Avi.
>
Hi,
Which newspaper or TV station did you hear this from ?
I doubt this very much.
.,.Will.,.