AMMA: The Four Noble Truths of Medical Marijuana
Mark2101
THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION
15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629
Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
E-mail: am...@drugsense.org
Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
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THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing
herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances
known to medicine.
2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute cannabis
for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, UN
Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California
Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeals.
3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness to
defend them.
4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their
lives and hope to countless others.
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Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice."
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of
the Republican National Committee
(Note: The above quote was taken from an
extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx,
by Robert C. Randall, the founder of
the medical marijuana movement.
Marijuana Rx is published by
Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Mark2101
THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION
15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629
Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
E-mail: am...@drugsense.org
Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
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7/28/00
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
1. Medical marijuana is good medicine. In its natural form, it is one of
the safest and most effective therapeutic substances available.
2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute cannabis
for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, UN
Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California
Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeals.
3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness to
defend them.
4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their
lives and hope to countless others.
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Thanks to Linda <Sis...@aol.com> and Kevin Zeese <kevz...@laser.net> for
suggesting the changes to the first truth.
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Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"I was born upon the prairie where the wind blew free
and there was nothing to break the light of the sun.
I was born where there were no enclosures and where
everything drew a free breath." "I want to die there,
not within walls."
Ten Bears, Yamparika Comanche
Jonathan Byrne
medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have
nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of
administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is
medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet
form???
Jonathan Byrne
jby...@libertybay.com
"Mark2101" <Mark...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> ********************************************************
> THE AMERICAN MEDICAL MARIJUANA ASSOCIATION
> 15 Monarch Bay Plaza, Box 375, Dana Point, Ca 92629
> Web site: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
> E-mail: am...@drugsense.org
> Join our List: http://www.drugsense.org/amma/
> ********************************************************
>
> 7/27/00
>
> THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
>
> 1. Medical marijuana is not a drug, it is a natural, non-toxic, healing
> herb that is one of the safest and most effective therapeutic substances
> known to medicine.
>
> 2. You have the inalienable right to possess, grow and distribute
cannabis
> for medical purposes as upheld by the Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention,
UN
> Declaration of Human Rights, The Single Convention Treaty, California
> Constitution, The Compassionate Use Act and the Ninth Circuit Court of
> Appeals.
>
> 3. These medical rights are only as strong as each citizen's willingness
to
> defend them.
>
> 4. Those who defend their medical rights bring honor and meaning to their
> lives and hope to countless others.
> ***********************************
>
> Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
> u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
> u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
> a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
> di tli hi = (Warrior)
> My Cherokee name.
>
> E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
>
Garland Hopkins
imagine that you would make that legal without decriminalizing the plant also.
Jonathan Byrne
I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
Jonathan Byrne
"Garland Hopkins" <garl...@home.com> wrote in message
news:39820148...@home.com...
Gr8ful Dave
THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one day
when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save
you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
Jonathan Byrne wrote in message <8Gng5.1534$xq3.2...@den-news1.rmi.net>...
Jonathan Byrne
anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I
doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the
medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening.
Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of
Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
Jonathan Byrne
jby...@libertybay.com
"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:o5og5.5508$FJ4....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
Phil Ronzone
Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic
>effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for
>medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get
>cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you
>will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
>cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
Awww, come ON now guys. As essentially a libertarian, I of course believe can
use whatever drugs they want.
BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to
offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public
um, er, "interest" in this subject.
It is just part of the effort to totally legalize MJ.
Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
--
All kittens are communists for the first 2 weeks. Then their eyes open.
Gr8ful Dave
Phil Ronzone wrote in message <8lt480$16o$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>In article <o5og5.5508$FJ4....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
>Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic
> >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for
> >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get
> >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you
> >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
> >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>
>
>Awww, come ON now guys. As essentially a libertarian, I of course believe
can
>use whatever drugs they want.
>
>BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to
>offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public
>um, er, "interest" in this subject.
>Relatively few that you know about
Gr8ful Dave
find it a pain in the ass to drag around an IV drip with them everywhere
they go.
Jonathan Byrne wrote in message ...
>Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them
>anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I
>doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims,
the
>medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening.
>Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of
>Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
>
>Jonathan Byrne
>jby...@libertybay.com
>
>"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:o5og5.5508$FJ4....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
>> Because synthetic THC does not have the same theraputic effects as
natural
>> THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for medical purposes.Perhaps one
>day
>> when you(or your spouse) get cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to
>save
>> you life you will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
>> cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>>
>>
Garland Hopkins
Jonathan Byrne
Jonathan Byrne
"Gr8ful Dave" <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Jtog5.10554$sO2....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
Mark2101
Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8lt480$16o$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
> In article <o5og5.5508$FJ4....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
> Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for
> >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get
> >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you
> >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
> >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>
>
can
> use whatever drugs they want.
>
> BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to
> offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public
> um, er, "interest" in this subject.
>
>
> Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
>
I don't think you'll find anyone in "the effort" who will deny this. What
makes you think we wouldn't? Pointing out it's medical properties as well as
letting people decide for themselves what they want to put in their own
bodies has always been the rallying cry for those in "the effort".
BTW: I do not fit into your stereotype of person in "the effort". I do not
do drugs. But I do see what the WOD is doing to human rights of all kinds.
And I especially don't like the police state abuses it is breeding at the
hands of the bigots in the WOD. They, and the WOD, is costing U.S. more in
human rights as well as money and worst of all lives than the drugs ever
could. Those behind the WOD are feeding off of others rights, money and
lives and they actually go home and sleep and at night. They are murdering
blood sucking leeches and maggots on our society. So, tell me, how do I fit
into your stereotype druggy?
Y'all should cut the crap and admit your true agenda.
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs,
it's about bigotry. You can change the law,
but changing the prejudice and fear of bigots who hide
behind drug war rhetoric is a far more challenging task.
It's time to expose the Drug War and the bigots who
promote the ideology of "Zero Tolerance."
-- Steve Kubby, 1998 Libertarian candidate for
Governor of California
snapper
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them
>anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I
>doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the
>medical establishment would be asking for it. That is not happening.
>Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of
>Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
>
>Jonathan Byrne
>jby...@libertybay.com
Sorry, Johnathan, that is a very naive statement. There are many
reasons why you would use MJ instead of an IV. For one thing, the
cost. Another, MJ inhaled is the BEST delivery method and that is a
quote from government, medical studies. Marinol, the synthetic THC
pill does not work for all people, takes time to get into the blood
stream and is difficult to keep. down. Smoking MJ relieves nausea
instantly and usually only after a few inhalations, where as depending
on the amount and severity of the naisea, a pill may not prove enough
once it gets into the blood stream. Juit going to the hospital and
hooking yourself up to an IV can be cost prohibitive and impracticle.
As far as the medical establishment asking for it, do your research
first and you will find many medical associations calling for the
rescheduling of MJ.
Try not to be a typical anti MJ cynic by using the same old statement
about people wanting to legalize it so they can get high. We have a
bigger problem with addiction to LEGAL prescription drugs, so are you
going to say that the only reason i want to get a prescription for
Zoloft is so I can high, instead of trying to treat my acute clinical
depression?
My mother suffers from muscular degeneration due to MS and suffers
from spasms and pain. Her medication causes sever nausea. The other
medication that is used to treat her nausea has a whole other set of
adverse side affects. And lets not talk about the cost of these pills.
She can take two or three puffs from a MJ cigarette and her spasms
decrease and the pain goes away and she is able to then eat, and far
cheaper too, without all the hellish side effects. Does my mother fit
into your NEAT little category of someone who just "wants to toke up"?
Give me a break. She's dying and any release from her pain is far
better than pandering to your insipid and banal prejudices.
My Uncle has a fused vertabrae and must take strong painkillers so he
can make a living. Ever tried to live day to day with chronic back
pain, Johnathan? Its nearly impossible. His pain killer medicine is a
narcotic, tightly controlled and has a whole set of adverse side
affects such as increaded blood pressure, headaches, and impaired
cognitive ability. This is completely legal. He's not grateful the
drug is legal because "he wants get high anytime he wants". he has to
take the pills to support his children.
Pick a better argument next time, pal.
Gr8ful Dave
Mark2101
> THC skin patches?
>
Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung
machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they to
produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch
versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared to
an inhaled dosage?
Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies back in
the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must
efficient results.
You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone might
actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take
castor oil?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs,
Mark2101
Jonathan Byrne <jby...@zapotech.com> wrote in message
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> Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
>
Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" alcohol user?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs,
M. Simon
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the
>medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have
>nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of
>administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is
>medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet
>form???
>
>Jonathan Byrne
>jby...@libertybay.com
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M. Simon
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the
>medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have
>nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse.
Yeah. We got to throw all those illegal alcohol abusers in jail.
Prohibition did not end. We just switched drugs..
We got gangs.
We got drivebys.
We got corupt police.
What changed?
M. Simon
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Don't get me wrong, I certainly wasn't arguing for the legalization of THC.
>I was just pointing out the absurdity of their stance.
>
>Jonathan Byrne
THC is legal. You can buy it at your pharmacy. With a Drs.
prescription.
Its a schedule 3 drug.
M. Simon
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them
>anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips.
Home use of mj cigarettes is cheaper. Especially if the problem is
long term (chronic) :-) .
M. Simon
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
>
>Jonathan Byrne
Yes. Alcohol,coffee, and tobacco.
Garland Hopkins
Mark2101 wrote:
> Garland Hopkins <garl...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:39821D67...@home.com...
> > THC skin patches?
> >
>
> Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung
> machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they to
> produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch
> versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared to
> an inhaled dosage?
> Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies back in
> the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must
> efficient results.
> You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone might
> actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take
> castor oil?
That was a hostile statement/question.
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>
> Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
> u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
> u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
> a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
> di tli hi = (Warrior)
> My Cherokee name.
>
> E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
>
BOBOBOnoBO
"M. Simon" wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:11:10 -0600, "Jonathan Byrne"
> <jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>
> >Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
One does not have to be "a 'recreational' drug user" to recognize the
stupidity of the *War on Drugs*.
>
> >
> >Jonathan Byrne
>
> Yes. Alcohol,coffee, and tobacco.
You should QUIT using tobacco. It is a killer. If you need nicotine,
chew the gum.
>
>
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Mark2101
> > > THC skin patches?
> > >
> >
> > Possibly for 'some' medical applications. Maybe for a patient on a lung
> > machine that also can't eat orally or inhale. But how expensive are they
to
> > produce, per dosage? How much mj would it take to make a one dose patch
> > versus one inhaled dosage? How effective would these dosages be compared
to
> > an inhaled dosage?
> > Actually this question was addressed in chemotherapy patient studies
back in
> > the seventies. It was found that inhaling had the quickest and must
> > efficient results.
> > You know, I really think you have problem with the idea that someone
might
> > actually enjoy taking their medicine. Did your mother force you to take
> > castor oil?
>
> That was a hostile statement/question.
>
Yes, I see that now. You know one of the things about the newsgroups is that
you can't see facial expressions and hear vocal inflections. It makes it
confusing at times. Sorry.
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"I was born upon the prairie where the wind blew free
M. Simon
>> Yes. Alcohol,coffee, and tobacco.
>
>You should QUIT using tobacco. It is a killer. If you need nicotine,
>chew the gum.
The gum tastes no where near as good as a quality cigar.
I'm a recreational smoker. Average of 3 - 10 cigars a year. An
acceptable risk.
I don't need the nicotine. I like the taste.
M. Simon Space-Time Productions http://www.spacetimepro.com
Mark2101
> In article <#wmQIAU#$GA.279@cpmsnbbsa09>,
> Mark2101 <Mark...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Jonathan Byrne <jby...@zapotech.com> wrote in message
> >news:R7pg5.1540$xq3.2...@den-news1.rmi.net...
> >>
> >>
> >user?
>
>
> Sung to Fiddler On the Roof song "Tradition" ...
>
>
> EVASION ...
Actually the original question was not directed at me. I was just pointing
out the hypocrisy of the question. In any case I have answered this question
many times. No, I am not a "recreational" drug user.
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion."
Edmund Burke
1784 speech
Phil Ronzone
Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Phil Ronzone wrote in message <8lt480$16o$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >effects as natural THC. Just ask anyone who has to use it for
>> >medical purposes.Perhaps one day when you(or your spouse) get
>> >cancer or AIDS and cant keep food down to save you life you
>> >will be offended when someone tells you "tough shit!" If you
>> >cant keep food down, how can you keep a pill down?
>>
>>
>can
>>use whatever drugs they want.
>>
>>BUT - there are, thank goodness, relatively FEW people that need MJ to
>>offset nnausea. But, at the same time, there appears to be a HUGE public
>>um, er, "interest" in this subject.
>
>
Aw, the thuderous sound of ignorance and stupidty agains thuders across the net.
No, there are relatively few. The WSJ analyze the total market for anti-naseu
drugs, and it is quite quite small.
Now of course, IF you had ANY idea, you would have posted the dfacts/figures
and cites, but, like most scumbags on the net, when you see something
you just don;'t like, you fart out a Politikally Korrekt Krap
position of "naw naw naw caw caw caw ..." ..
Snicker.
Phil Ronzone
Mark2101 <Mark...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Jonathan Byrne <jby...@zapotech.com> wrote in message
>news:R7pg5.1540$xq3.2...@den-news1.rmi.net...
>>Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" drug user?
>>
>>
>Let's clear one thing up. Are you a "recreational" alcohol
>user?
Sung to Fiddler On the Roof song "Tradition" ...
EVASION ...
Gr8ful Dave
Phil Ronzone wrote in message <8m32ah$s6$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
bypass the gov and score their own weed because it is just easier that
way.(The thunder of ignorance seems to be spouting from you).Just like most
people, you spout off about things you have no idea about.Try opening YOUR
eyes comrade!
Phil Ronzone
Snicker. Giggle. Snort. Gosh, sometimes this is just TOO easy.
So, you make a klaim about perhaps large numbers of people that need MJ
for their nasuea.
I point out the FACT that the WSJ shows that people conming prescription
anti-naseau drugs is actually a small number.
I point out your klaims have no factual basis.
So what do you do? You snort and admit you have no numbers!
Sigh - the addled brain of another druggie ....
Snicker.
Mark2101
you want to deny people something that might work best for them? Even more,
what if there were no medical reasons for mj, why do you feel obligated to
decide for others what they put in their bodies?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"The War on Drugs was never, ever about drugs,
Gr8ful Dave
Phil Ronzone wrote in message <8m52j4$3gm$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>...
about their needs and experiences with MJ in treating their symptoms?I could
tell you about the person I know with glaucoma who uses it to immediately
reduce the pressure in his eyes but closed minded people like you dont give
a shit about him.And whats more, he is not in any database on the net for
his solution to his problem.When someone begins to make even a little sence
with a person like you, you immediately jump up to discredit them.All I can
really say is that perhaps your tone would change if it was you or someone
you love that needed medical MJ but cant get it because of ridiculous
legislation.Also perhaps people who need anti-naseau drugs find that MJ is
much more affordable than a perscription that their insurance probably does
not cover.
Sigh-The addled brain of a closed minded loser....
Suzanne Thompson
<nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> pulled his finger out of his
M. Simon
>No, there are relatively few. The WSJ analyze the total market for anti-naseu
>drugs, and it is quite quite small.
So is the market for chemotherapy.
The point is if you need it you need it.
Its like self defence. No government is allowed to take away your
right.
M. Simon
>I point out the FACT that the WSJ shows that people conming prescription
>anti-naseau drugs is actually a small number.
What do numbers have to do with individual need?
Or did the Communists actually win the cold war?
M. Simon
>Sigh - the addled brain of another druggie ....
Can prohibition prevent drug use in prisons?
Can a war that has failed to deliver on any of its promises in 85+
years finally show positive results?
Congress promised us a drug free America by 1995. What happened?
Why is the Drug War a failure?
Strabo
finger out of his butthole, sniffed at it and said:
>
>>No, there are relatively few. The WSJ analyze the total market for anti-naseu
>>drugs, and it is quite quite small.
>
>So is the market for chemotherapy.
>
>The point is if you need it you need it.
>
>Its like self defence. No government is allowed to take away your
>right.
>
>
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No, there are relatively few. The WSJ analyze the total market for
anti-naseu drugs, and it is quite quite small. More money for decent
drugs, and the way we can get it is by a huge levy on firearms and
ammunition.
Problem solved.
Mark2101
M. Simon <msi...@xta.com> wrote in message
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>
> >Sigh - the addled brain of another druggie ....
>
> Can prohibition prevent drug use in prisons?
No. But you, we, already knew that.
>
> Can a war that has failed to deliver on any of its promises in 85+
> years finally show positive results?
Well, I wasn't aware it had been going on that long but to answer your
question, if I may, no. But again, you, we, already knew that.
>
> Congress promised us a drug free America by 1995. What happened?
> Why is the Drug War a failure?
Because Congress, as well as Federal, state, county and local law
enforcement, not to mention the entire judicial system as a whole (see
lawyers), have learned how to live, and feed off of it. Like blood sucking
leeches, It will be very difficult to cut them off of it. The one issue
leads to another, constantly making the connections between the dots,
between all human rights to the ultimate goal of complete people control in
all areas of our lives. Whether it be drugs, guns, speech, property,
privacy, you name it. They, the drug warriors, are connecting the dots at a
frightening rate.
I hear the drums of revolution.
To tell you the truth, it sounds good!
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"I was born upon the prairie where the wind blew free
Mark2101
Strabo <pig@the_trough.co> wrote in message
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Why firearms and ammunition?
> Problem solved.
Typical leftist, socialist answer. More money, more money. Yeah, that's the
answer, more of other peoples money. Yeah, that's the answer..........NOT!
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and
public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve
our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with
perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in
our meat and drink, in our necessities and our comforts, in our
labors and our amusements. If we can prevent the wasting of the
labor of the people under the pretext of caring for them, we can
be happy."
Thomas Jefferson
Strabo
Mark2101
What? Is there an echo in here?
Mark "COSMOS" Renfro
u tsi s da lu gi s gi = (Brilliant)
u tsi s da lu gi s gv = (Shining)
a ga li ha = (Illuminating from within)
di tli hi = (Warrior)
My Cherokee name.
E-MAIL Mark...@email.msn.com
"Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice."
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of
the Republican National Committee
(Note: The above quote was taken from an
extraordinary new book, Marijuana Rx,
by Robert C. Randall, the founder of
the medical marijuana movement.
Marijuana Rx is published by
Thunder's Mouth Press.)
Phil Ronzone
Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Phil Ronzone wrote in message
><8m52j4$3gm$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>In article <tblh5.8385$FJ4.1...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>No, there are relatively few. The WSJ analyze the total
>>>>market for
>>>anti-naseu
>>>>drugs, and it is quite quite small.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now of course, IF you had ANY idea, you would have posted the
>>>dfacts/figures
>>>>and cites, but, like most scumbags on the net, when you see
>>>>something you just don;'t like, you fart out a Politikally
>>>>Korrekt Krap position of "naw naw naw caw caw caw ..." ..
>>>>
>>>>Snicker. How can I possibly post up facts about an
>>>>underground network of users who
>>>bypass the gov and score their own weed because it is just
>>>easier that way.(The thunder of ignorance seems to be
>>>spouting from you).Just like most people, you spout off about
>>>things you have no idea about.Try opening YOUR eyes comrade!
>>>
>>>
>>Snicker. Giggle. Snort. Gosh, sometimes this is just TOO
>>easy.
>>
>>So, you make a klaim about perhaps large numbers of people
>>that need MJ for their nasuea.
>>
>>I point out the FACT that the WSJ shows that people conming
>>prescription anti-naseau drugs is actually a small number.
>>
>>I point out your klaims have no factual basis.
>>
>>
>>So what do you do? You snort and admit you have no numbers!
>>
>>
>>Sigh - the addled brain of another druggie ....
>>
>>
>>Snicker. So where am I to get info about people who are
>>afraid to tell their doctor
>about their needs and experiences with MJ in treating their
>symptoms?I could tell you about the person I know with
>glaucoma who uses it to immediately reduce the pressure in
>his eyes but closed minded people like you dont give a shit
>about him.And whats more, he is not in any database on the
>net for his solution to his problem.When someone begins to
>make even a little sence with a person like you, you
>immediately jump up to discredit them.All I can really say is
>that perhaps your tone would change if it was you or someone
>you love that needed medical MJ but cant get it because of
>ridiculous legislation.Also perhaps people who need
>anti-naseau drugs find that MJ is much more affordable than a
>perscription that their insurance probably does not cover.
>
>Sigh-The addled brain of a closed minded loser....
Snicker. Giggle. As an essential libertarian, it is fine by me if people
want to sit around abd blast their mind to smithereens with drugs.
But then, I don't have to like to drolling dicknorts they become.
Listen, bozo, all this crap about "anti-naseau" blah blah is just that, crap.
You hurt your own "movement" to fully legalize MJ by the pretense
y'all are just SOOOO concerned about the miniscule sick that "need"
this stuff.
As shown about, you don't have a clue, and you even admit.
As I pointed out, "anti-naseau" drug prescriptions are a tiny minority
of all prescriptions. And then yuou even admit you haven't
got a clue as the body size of the people allegedly needing MJ for
"anti-naseau" purposes!
Then of course, you go into a total unconnected diatribe to the subject
of these posts, which only furthers my conviction that drug users can't
think straight at all.
Boing! Sproing!
Snicker.
Phil Ronzone
Mark2101 <Mark...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Yeah, but, that isn't the only medical purpose for mj. Even
>it was, why do you want to deny people something that might
>work best for them? Even more, what if there were no medical
>reasons for mj, why do you feel obligated to decide for
>others what they put in their bodies?
You did not read very carefully, Mark. I said, as an essential
libertarian that I believe that people can sit at home and destroy
their minds with bleach for all I care.
The point is, the medical uses of MJ are very small compared to the
large scale noises by yukyuks like this guy, and that hurts the
current movement to fully legalize MJ.
Phil Ronzone
>
>>I point out the FACT that the WSJ shows that people conming
>>prescription anti-naseau drugs is actually a small number.
>>
>
>Or did the Communists actually win the cold war?
Y'all got a comprehension problem?
I've already stated that as an essential libertarisn, that I believe they have
the right to destroy their little brains by any means they want.
The point is, the need for medical is very small, yet, somehow, there is a
(relatively) LARGE group ofmpeople pushing for it.
It means that sitters on the fence, seeing the large group of dopers
clamoring for medical MJ, will conclude it's all a front/fraud for
the uselees druggies to getv their goodies.
This hurts the cause for legalization ...
Steve Young
Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8m7ab0$550$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
> In article <GDoh5.13451$sO2....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
> Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Snicker. Giggle. As an essential libertarian, it is fine by me if people
> want to sit around abd blast their mind to smithereens with drugs.
>
> But then, I don't have to like to drolling dicknorts they become.
Fine. You'll never know you met them because they are just as normal as
anyone else. But then again you wouldn't know because you bought into
prohibitionist propoganda hook, line and sinker
> Listen, bozo, all this crap about "anti-naseau" blah blah is just that,
crap.
So all those studies done by scientists are crap because you so declare.
Care to cite some sources?
> You hurt your own "movement" to fully legalize MJ by the pretense
> y'all are just SOOOO concerned about the miniscule sick that "need"
> this stuff.
Hey, let's outlaw insulin! There really aren't *that* many people who need
it, right?
> As shown about, you don't have a clue, and you even admit.
Haven't seen your sources yet.
> As I pointed out, "anti-naseau" drug prescriptions are a tiny minority
> of all prescriptions.
So is chemo, dumbass. Jeez, love your argument: "There aren't enough
people suffering for me to care".
> And then yuou even admit you haven't
> got a clue as the body size of the people allegedly needing MJ for
> "anti-naseau" purposes!
The number is unimportant. How many people need bone marrow transplants?
More or less than need MJ?
--
Steve
"You can ask 'how much more black can it be'...and the answer is
'none...none more black'"
-Nigel Tufnel
Carman
pulled his finger out of his butthole, sniffed at it and said:
Ironic. Charleton Heston is an admitted drunk and is undergoing treatment.
That's just what we want drunks with guns. I bet when Chuck Heston made that statement
"From my cold dead hand!" to Al Gore, he was drunk as a fiddler's bitch.
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Phil Stovell
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Sure, that's why you mostly see stoners and other losers supporting the
>medical use of Marijuana. Their motives are strictly altruistic and have
>nothing to do with their lifestyle of illicit drug abuse. The idea of
>administering a drug by inhaling smoke is ludicrous. If your movement is
>medically motivated why don't you argue for using THC in an IV or tablet
>form???
Unfortunately, THC is not water-soluble and cannot be injected. THC is
available in tablet form, Marinol, but apparently it gets the patient very high
and is ineffective against nausea (the patient throws it back up).
To find out more about the medicinal cannabis trials taking place in the UK, go
here: http://www.medicinal-cannabis.org
I will ignore the evil of the rest of your message.
--
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Phil Stovell
<jby...@zapotech.com> wrote:
>Lots of sick people can't keep a pill down. Do hospitals give them
>anti-biotic cigarettes? No! They use IV drips. I'm not a doctor and I
>doubt you are either. If Marijuana was the wonder medicine AMMA claims, the
>medical establishment would be asking for it.
The medical establishment is the UK is asking for it. Check out the BMA
(British Medical Association).
One of the administration methods being worked on is with a vapouriser. Not
quite cigarettes, but not that much different.
>That is not happening.
>Again, it's not a coincidence that people arguing for the medical use of
>Marijuana often support the total legalization of Marijuana.
Are you accusing the BMA and The House of Lords of being "stoners"?
Phil Stovell
<nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Whats that got to do with the price of tea in China?
Tea is a recreational drug. I'd recommend Earl Grey.
Phil Stovell
<clas...@brick.net> wrote:
>You should QUIT using tobacco. It is a killer. If you need nicotine,
>chew the gum.
I worked in a job a few years ago where you had to go outside to smoke a
cigarette. Unfortunately, it was the winter so I bought some nicotine gum and
chewed on that. I got high as a kite on it several times and was nearly sick.
Pretty close to overdose, I assume.
Phil Stovell
<nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Sigh-The addled brain of a closed minded loser....
I killfile idiots whose only recourse is insults.
Phil Stovell
(Suzanne Thompson) wrote:
>Sigh - the addled brain of another druggie ....
Gr8ful Dave
Phil Stovell wrote in message
<9dvfosso175abdvu9...@4ax.com>...
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:14:30 GMT in alt.law-enforcement, "Gr8ful Dave"
><nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Sigh-The addled brain of a closed minded loser....
>
>--Read back a little further and you will see it was not me that started
the recourse of insults.
Phil Stovell
<nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Read back a little further and you will see it was not me that started
>the recourse of insults.
Yes, granted, but that doesn't mean you have to follow suite.
--
Gr8ful Dave
Phil Stovell wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:15:48 GMT in alt.law-enforcement, "Gr8ful Dave"
><nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Read back a little further and you will see it was not me that started
>>the recourse of insults.
>
>Yes, granted, but that doesn't mean you have to follow suite.
Yes, you are correct.Why give them more ammo to use against us. ;-)
Phil Ronzone
Steve Young <stev...@home.com> wrote:
>Phil Ronzone <ph...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:8m7ab0$550$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
>>In article <GDoh5.13451$sO2....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>Gr8ful Dave <nospamn...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
><snip>
>>Snicker. Giggle. As an essential libertarian, it is fine by
>>me if people want to sit around abd blast their mind to
>>smithereens with drugs.
>>
>>But then, I don't have to like to drolling dicknorts they
>>become.
>>
>Fine. You'll never know you met them because they are just as
>normal as anyone else. But then again you wouldn't know
>because you bought into prohibitionist propoganda hook, line
>and sinker
Snicker. Boy oh boy - no matter HOW many times I tell 'em I think
all their illicit drugs should be lagalized, I get some neuro-dope
bithcing about this or that completely untrue koncept ...
Sigh ...
I don't believe in the WOD etc. I do KNOW that most people that use
MJ, coke, PCP, (etc.) on a regular basis on basically stupid
assholes.
>>Listen, bozo, all this crap about "anti-naseau" blah blah is
>>just that,
>crap.
>
>So all those studies done by scientists are crap because you
>so declare. Care to cite some sources?
Snicker. The point here is the NUMBERs. It's like some congresscritter
trying to pass a law lowering the age of consent from 18 to say, 16, and then
having 500 NAMBLA members show upt to "help" him.
For a very small number of people that wuld use medical MJ, there SURE are
a LOT of people supporting it, and strange how they all buy
lots of rolling papers each year ...
>>You hurt your own "movement" to fully legalize MJ by the
>>pretense y'all are just SOOOO concerned about the miniscule
>>sick that "need" this stuff.
>>
>Hey, let's outlaw insulin! There really aren't *that* many
>people who need it, right?
Wow. Too many bad drugs for you dood ... insulin doesn't fuck up
your mind or lungs, are there ARE a lot of people that need it, AND
it is a natural part of one's own body.
Kan you say REALLY STUPID BAD ANALOGY?
I knew you coulkd ... now go sit in the corner! Bad dog, bad dog ...
>>As I pointed out, "anti-naseau" drug prescriptions are a tiny
>>minority of all prescriptions.
>>
>So is chemo, dumbass. Jeez, love your argument: "There aren't
>enough people suffering for me to care".
Right. SO? If chemo also gave people a high, what would one say if
all of a sudden a whole lot of druggies started whining about access
to chemo (blah blah blah).
You just DON'T see the point do you?
>>And then yuou even admit you haven't got a clue as the body
>>size of the people allegedly needing MJ for "anti-naseau"
>>purposes!
>>
>The number is unimportant. How many people need bone marrow
>transplants? More or less than need MJ? -- Steve
Snicker. Snicker. Very bad slow learner.
Strange, how maybe a few thousand people actually medically needing
MJ have apparently a few million "supporters" of this.
And how these "millions of supporters" all how a bunch of reason
why it is somehow impossible for them to get a doctors prescription but
have a major medical need to grow it themselves ...
He he ...