#Two of the Aggie Bonfire Dead Were Drunk
Steve Cutchen
http://www.houstonpress.com/
December 2-8, 1999
The article:
FATAL ATTRACTION
In the cultlike customs of Texas A&M, tradition is life. Even in death.
By Stuart Eskenazi
---Steve Cutchen O- | As published in Houston Chronicle Sports &
scut...@airmail.net | heard on the Houston Astros Postgame TV Show
Blacount
> Two of the Aggie Bonfire Dead Were Drunk
>
> The Associated Press, December 4, 1999
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Bonfire-Collapse.html
>
> COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP) -- Two of the 12 killed in the collapse
> of the Texas A&M University bonfire were legally drunk, prompting
> an investigation by the state Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
>
> Toxicology reports released Friday show the blood-alcohol level
> of two male students killed in the Nov. 18 accident exceeded the
> legal limit, the Bryan-College Station Eagle and The Dallas Morning
> News reported. The level of one student was nearly four times the
> .08 threshold, the newspapers said.
>
> School officials have stressed no evidence points to student
> misconduct as a factor in the collapse, which also injured 27.
>
> A few students drinking could not have caused that accident,
> said Bob Wiatt, the university's director of security.
>
> Tests show eight other students who died had not been drinking,
> while one former student had drank a small amount. Toxicology results
> for the 12th student were not available on Friday.
>
> Leo E. Linbeck, a Houston construction executive leading a separate,
> five-member investigative committee, said the toxicology reports
> will be added to the data already under review. The committee met
> for the first time on Friday.
>
> Alcohol-related arrests long have been associated with the lighting
> of the bonfire, rather than the weeks leading up to the event,
> Wiatt said.
>
> Those who worked on the project signed pledge cards promising they
> would not drink and climb on the bonfire, he said.
>
Didn't see where the two that were drunk were on the stack, just killed by its fall.
>
> ****Getting drunk and stacking wood. Two of the finer Aggie traditions
> on the wane.
>
This is inane, heartless and cruel beyond all comprehension. At least 12 people have
died with another still holding onto life by the narrowest of threads and you make
wise ass comments like this. Your a disgrace to anything you associate yourself with
in my book until you at the VERY least apologize for this stupid, callous and
thoughtless remark. You've marked yourself and you "liberal values" quite well.
Namely the complete lack thereof. Your one of the reasons I think the Democratic
party sucks rocks most of the time.
And before you say it..No..I'm not an Aggie but human decency and average intellect
should have stopped you from post that comment. Obviously you have niether.
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doug bombard
for now, it appears that this was due to a structural failure not a human failure.
Aside from this, I'm not an Aggie but have worked with some Aggie grads and I have a
lot of respect for them. And as a parent, I feel very sad for the parents who lost
a child.
/doug
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> ****Getting drunk and stacking wood. Two of the finer Aggie traditions
> on the wane.
>
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> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:07:56 -0600, doug bombard
> <dbom...@NOSPAMinsync.net> wrote:
>
> >If true, so what??? We don't have all the facts as to what caused the
collapse and
> >for now, it appears that this was due to a structural failure not a human
failure.
>
>
> We kept hearing how carefully everyone involved followed the rules.
>
> Is it within the rules to be 4 times the legal definition of drunk and
> working on the Aggie stack of wood?
>
> >Aside from this, I'm not an Aggie but have worked with some Aggie grads
and I have a
> >lot of respect for them. And as a parent, I feel very sad for the
parents who lost
> >a child.
>
>
> Too bad their children died taking part in a meaningless Aggie Cult
> tradition.
>
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Jorge R. Frank
>
> Not one person stated the obvious: College students drunk? Who
> would have guessed. The idea that alcohol is just part of fun and
> games is a very real issue here. Alcohol should never have been
> allowed in a work area, period.
Agreed. This behavior would not be tolerated at a professional work
site, and it should not be tolerated at Bonfire.
> I agree with Volt on the bonfire. I
> feel it's a waste of everything, resources, manpower, time.
However, if the students wish to waste their resources, manpower, and
time on it, I believe that is their prerogative. Not some
overprotective "nanny state." Before you get started on the waste of
trees, the land that is cleared for Bonfire is land that the landowners
were going to clear anyway. If there had been no Bonfire, the land
would have been cleared by bulldozers instead of students with axes.
Not one tree would have been saved if Bonfire had never happened.
> Nor do I
> think he owes anyone an apoligy. The only ones who should be
> apologizing are the administrators who were in charge.
The administrators are not in charge of Bonfire, and never have been.
This has been a student-run tradition from day 1 in 1909. There is a
faculty advisor who observes the activities, but the planning and
direction are all done by student leaders (nicknamed the "Red Pots" for
the red hardhats they wear).
> It was a
> tragic accident that would have never happened if the bonfire wasn't
> such a part of tradition. Here's an idea, some will probably hate it,
> but here it goes. Find an area you want to revitalize close to A&M
> and plant 10,000 trees.
A&M has been doing this every spring since 1990. It's called
"Replant." I think they even plant the same number of trees as you
propose.
> I feel it would be really poor taste to
> continue with a tradition that killed 12 of your classmates. If I
> have offended anyone I apologize, this was not meant as an attack.
No apologies necessary; I don't take this as an attack. However, I
think the overwhelming consensus among the students (including those
injured in Bonfire) is that the tradition should continue, although it
can and will be made safer. I think most, if not all, of those killed
would have wanted it that way as well.
If Bonfire is ended, it will be because the TAMU administration doesn't
want to deal with the legal liability that comes with it... and that
will happen only if the families of those killed sue the university (and
if the Texas Legislature decides to waive the liability limit - as a
state government entity, TAMU is partially immune to liability). At the
moment, I'm not hearing anyone talking about suing... most of the
families acknowledged that their children loved A&M for its traditions,
including Bonfire.
--
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akoe...@sunnews.infi.net
would have guessed. The idea that alcohol is just part of fun and
games is a very real issue here. Alcohol should never have been
feel it's a waste of everything, resources, manpower, time. Nor do I
think he owes anyone an apoligy. The only ones who should be
tragic accident that would have never happened if the bonfire wasn't
such a part of tradition. Here's an idea, some will probably hate it,
but here it goes. Find an area you want to revitalize close to A&M
and have a party afterwards. I feel it would be really poor taste to
Mike Leonard
Alchohol not allowed in the work area? Damn, who would have that of that
one on their own. Nothing was said about acholhol in the work area.
Students drunk was though. Drunks should not be allowed in any area.
Especially newsgroups.
Waste of what resources, manpower and time. Students on this planet to
learn? Hell, let's not waste their time doing something so pointless, as,
learning. These kids, students, did not get to where they are, or were,
because someone twisted their arm. I said before, and will say again, to be
an Aggie is an honor. Oh, that they have the same human frailties as us
all. When the lawsuits start and the dust settles, where do we go from
here? Maybe somewhere that being a part of a brotherhood is not as
important? Maybe into the future, where the past teaches us, hopefully
somewhere ignorant people will not open their talk holes out of line, and
that compassion can be shown to all.
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<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Evidently you were denied entry also.
>
>Alchohol not allowed in the work area? Damn, who would have that of that
>one on their own. Nothing was said about acholhol in the work area.
>Students drunk was though. Drunks should not be allowed in any area.
>Especially newsgroups.
>
>Waste of what resources, manpower and time. Students on this planet to
>learn? Hell, let's not waste their time doing something so pointless, as,
>learning. These kids, students, did not get to where they are, or were,
>because someone twisted their arm. I said before, and will say again, to be
>an Aggie is an honor. Oh, that they have the same human frailties as us
>all. When the lawsuits start and the dust settles, where do we go from
>here? Maybe somewhere that being a part of a brotherhood is not as
>important? Maybe into the future, where the past teaches us, hopefully
>somewhere ignorant people will not open their talk holes out of line, and
>that compassion can be shown to all.
>
>
Spoken like a true, brainwashed, pathetic yuppy who feels the need
to justify his lame existance to this world.
Logan Villa
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> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:07:56 -0600, doug bombard
> <dbom...@NOSPAMinsync.net> wrote:
>
> >If true, so what??? We don't have all the facts as to what caused the
collapse and
> >for now, it appears that this was due to a structural failure not a human
failure.
>
> So what?
>
> We kept hearing how carefully everyone involved followed the rules.
>
> Is it within the rules to be 4 times the legal definition of drunk and
> working on the Aggie stack of wood?
That legal definition only applies to someone driving a motor vehicle on a
public roadway. When all the facts are in, if they are ever completely in,
judgements will be made regarding what changes should be made.
They have their traditions and those traditions are meaningful to them.
Exactly why you appear to have a vendetta against them, I don't know or care
to be honest. Kids dying for any reason seems sad. However, every newscast
and article I've seen leads me to believe that those students loved their
school and fellow students. They loved A&M with all it's tradition and
loyalty. I wish all of their families and friends well. LV
Logan Villa
news:384a0300...@news5.usenetserver.com...
Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
Jorge R. Frank
>
> Not one person stated the obvious: College students drunk? Who
> would have guessed. The idea that alcohol is just part of fun and
> games is a very real issue here. Alcohol should never have been
> allowed in a work area, period.
Agreed. This behavior would not be tolerated at a professional work
site, and it should not be tolerated at Bonfire.
> I agree with Volt on the bonfire. I
> feel it's a waste of everything, resources, manpower, time.
However, if the students wish to waste their resources, manpower, and
time on it, I believe that is their prerogative. Not some
overprotective "nanny state." Before you get started on the waste of
trees, the land that is cleared for Bonfire is land that the landowners
were going to clear anyway. If there had been no Bonfire, the land
would have been cleared by bulldozers instead of students with axes.
Not one tree would have been saved if Bonfire had never happened.
> Nor do I
> think he owes anyone an apoligy. The only ones who should be
> apologizing are the administrators who were in charge.
The administrators are not in charge of Bonfire, and never have been.
This has been a student-run tradition from day 1 in 1909. There is a
faculty advisor who observes the activities, but the planning and
direction are all done by student leaders (nicknamed the "Red Pots" for
the red hardhats they wear).
> It was a
> tragic accident that would have never happened if the bonfire wasn't
> such a part of tradition. Here's an idea, some will probably hate it,
> but here it goes. Find an area you want to revitalize close to A&M
> and plant 10,000 trees.
A&M has been doing this every spring since 1990. It's called
"Replant." I think they even plant the same number of trees as you
propose.
> I feel it would be really poor taste to
> continue with a tradition that killed 12 of your classmates. If I
> have offended anyone I apologize, this was not meant as an attack.
No apologies necessary; I don't take this as an attack. However, I
think the overwhelming consensus among the students (including those
injured in Bonfire) is that the tradition should continue, although it
can and will be made safer. I think most, if not all, of those killed
would have wanted it that way as well.
If Bonfire is ended, it will be because the TAMU administration doesn't
want to deal with the legal liability that comes with it... and that
will happen only if the families of those killed sue the university (and
if the Texas Legislature decides to waive the liability limit - as a
state government entity, TAMU is partially immune to liability). At the
moment, I'm not hearing anyone talking about suing... most of the
families acknowledged that their children loved A&M for its traditions,
including Bonfire.
--
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Blacount
> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:00:50 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> >Didn't see where the two that were drunk were on the stack, just killed by its fall.
>
> Are you certain that being 4 times the legal definition of drunk aids
> one in trying not to be landed on by a stack of wood whether you are
> on it or next to it?
>
I would think that with that BAC they would be comatose on the ground and nearing alcohol
poisoning. But again, I did not see where the people ON the pile were drunk. Also, in the
article, it shows that most had not been drinking AT ALL. So to imply otherwise is to
slant the truth.
> >This is inane, heartless and cruel beyond all comprehension. At least 12 people have
> >died with another still holding onto life by the narrowest of threads and you make
> >wise ass comments like this.
>
> Killed stacking wood so the Corps of Cadets can play dress up and the
> Alumni can act like college students on Saturdays?
>
> Was it worth it?
>
You obviously have no idea of the importance of traditions and a sense of fellowship. If
all you think of the Bonfire is that, your badly (and sadly) misinformed.
As far as "was it worth it"? That is for the Aggies and thier families to decide. If
those same people were killed in an aircraft crash, would you ask if flying was "worth
it"?
What about being killed in an auto accident?
>
> >Your a disgrace to anything you associate yourself with
> >in my book until you at the VERY least apologize for this stupid, callous and
> >thoughtless remark.
>
> I guess you will just have to sit and spin on that demand. I call them
> like I see them and in this case I call you on your willingness to
> sacrifice young people in the name of Aggie tradition.
>
No, I know full well that apology will never come because of who you have shown yourself
to be. A heartless, uncaring and callous person. I've seen plenty like you in the world
enough to know your not worth much because the simple idea of compassion and caring is
not only lost on you, but so un-understandable to you that its totally alien to you as a
concept.
As for me being willing to "sacrifice" people to an Aggie tradition, where have I said
that? What I said was that your comment was uncalled for, classless and cruel. That is
the 100% truth. You taint the facts to your own ends and then make snide comments that if
spoken to the face of someone would as the very least get you told off and ignored or
possible punched square in the face, depending on how close someone was to a victim or
thier family.
In fact, that's a good idea buster brown. Go to the families and say this EXACT thing and
see what happens.
>> ****Getting drunk and stacking wood. Two of the finer Aggie traditions
>> on the wane.
>
> > You've marked yourself and you "liberal values" quite well.
> >Namely the complete lack thereof. Your one of the reasons I think the Democratic
> >party sucks rocks most of the time.
>
> You seem to think I made those children risk their lives for the Cult
> of the Aggie.
>
I never stated that. I stated that your comment that "getting drunk and stacking wood"
are two Aggie traditions on the wane was unthinkably horrendous on your part. The facts
are that out of 12 dead, 3 had even drank. One had ONE beer, another was legally drunk
and the last was loaded to the gills. Yet you toss ALL Aggies into the same pot as the
one.
>
> If you think that stacking wood is worth the lives of A&M students
> then you have a right to your opinion.
>
> However, it is my position that spending 10,000+ hours stacking wood
> is both dangerous and a waste of time.
>
I never said that either, again you try to twist the facts as you did with the article.
My position is that making a stupid comment as you did was both cruel and heartless. You
accused ALL Aggies for what one or two people that happen to be Aggies did and that is
just not right. No matter HOW you try to twist it.
>
> Here is what Steve Benson of the Arizona Republic had to say about
> your "tradition."
>
> http://www.unitedmedia.com/editoons/benson/archive/cal-29.html
>
Shows his unbiasness don't it? Let see....
Texans are nuts like Branch Davidians (even though we now have proof the government
screwed the whole thing up)
Texans are all KKK members (yet I think each person in the dragging death was found
guilty by *gasp* Texans)
Aggies are so stupid they crush thier own. (And you think this cartoon is okay?)
Like I said, there are plenty of your kind out there. I wonder if Steve ran that cartoon
in Texas? Bet he didn't.
>
> >And before you say it..No..I'm not an Aggie but human decency and average intellect
> >should have stopped you from post that comment. Obviously you have niether.
>
> Tell me again how I killed those children?
>
> The Cult of Aggie tradition had them up on that stack of wood.
>
> Sue A&M if you are pissed off..
>
> A lot of other folks are going to sue them.
>
> Volt
>
Tell you again that your comments were garbage. You may not have pulled the trigger but
you sure as hell stomped on the graves. The problem I have is not with the debate on the
bonfire, its you cruel and stupid comments that show no thought for those that died or
the ones left behind.
As for sueing or being "pissed off" at A&M, I am niether. There is nothing worth sueing
over for me and the only thing that "pissed me off" is a low life piece of uncaring dirt
making blanket statements that they know nothing about and have no basis for.
Blacount
> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:07:56 -0600, doug bombard
> <dbom...@NOSPAMinsync.net> wrote:
>
> >If true, so what??? We don't have all the facts as to what caused the collapse and
> >for now, it appears that this was due to a structural failure not a human failure.
>
> So what?
>
> We kept hearing how carefully everyone involved followed the rules.
>
> Is it within the rules to be 4 times the legal definition of drunk and
> working on the Aggie stack of wood?
>
Where is ANY evidence that the person that was drunk was WORKING on the stack? You have
YET to supply this because it sure was not in that article. All the article said was that
someone that drunk was killed by the fall.
>
> >Aside from this, I'm not an Aggie but have worked with some Aggie grads and I have a
> >lot of respect for them. And as a parent, I feel very sad for the parents who lost
> >a child.
>
> I feel sorry for them as well.
>
> Too bad their children died taking part in a meaningless Aggie Cult
> tradition.
>
And too bad that a thoughtless person such as yourself likes to make wise ass comments
about it. Yeah, you feel their pain I can tell..*rolls eyes*
Blacount
> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:23:36 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Now about the rules violations at the bonfire construction site. . . ?
>
> Volt
And what violations by the WORKERS are those?
Or are you still ASSUMING the TWO drunk people out of 12 dead were part of the workers
still?
Steve
accident. At the first one, the minister announced that the family had asked
him to tell everyone that they wanted the bonfire to continue. At the second
funeral, one of the parents spoke and said that they wanted the bonfire to
continue.
If the parents of the victims still want the tradition to continue, who are
the rest of you to say it should be stopped?
I may not have the exact quote but my daughter says the Aggies say something
like:
Those on the outside looking in can never understand and those on the inside
can not explain.
I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am to have my daughter attend A&M.
Unlike much of the rest of today's society, the students at A&M exhibit a
spirit of family and comradery that I have never seen before. If the bonfire
helps to create or encourage these feelings, then it should never be stopped.
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<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:23:36 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
><mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>Got turned down for entrance didn't ya?
>Because I had all of my teeth, had an IQ over 100 and had never dated
>a collie.
>I take it you were accepted, Mike.
>Now about the rules violations at the bonfire construction site. . . ?
To readers of houston.general: The person calling himself "Voltaire" is in
reality Jim Kennemur, who _does_ live in the Houston area -- and has a
documented history of trying to cause trouble in real life for people who take
issue with his Usenet activities. His latest fusillade against anything
associated with Texas A&M dates back to a Usenet flame war he was engaged in
against an opponent who happened to be a graduate student there, at the time.
His credibility, to put it lightly, is highly suspect.
--PLH, in other words, he's a slightly more attractive version of the
Travidiot
Professor Vonroach
wrote:
>> >
>> Spoken like a true, brainwashed, pathetic yuppy who feels the need
>> to justify his lame existance to this world.
>
>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
>
None that I recall ever meeting. Quite the opposite from those
whiners. Yippies went to school on the West Coast, in the Northeast,
and maybe a few in Austin. I can't recall any Aggies making the trek
to Canada. And aged (as opposed to growing up) to populate the
suburbs.
Professor Vonroach
>
>If only College Station would join the rest of the world.
>
>Or at least sample reality from time to time.
>
>
> Volt
Voltaire - Aggies are in the rest of the world. It is the pathetic
whiners such as yourself who live in your own little dream world.
>
>
Professor Vonroach
>
>>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
>
>Militaristic yuppies.
> Volt
>
An oxymoron Voltaire. You didn't run into Aggies up in Canada during
the little `vacation from responsibility'
Professor Vonroach
>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 02:50:21 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
><mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Evidently you were denied entry also.
>
>I didn't go after a degree in goat breeding.
I see, Voltaire, then you interest in goats lies in another direction,
I take it. Probably largely limited to nannys.
>>
at95624
rollers are drunks too..
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:23:36 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Got turned down for entrance didn't ya?
>
> Because I had all of my teeth, had an IQ over 100 and had never dated
> a collie.
>
> I take it you were accepted, Mike.
>
> Now about the rules violations at the bonfire construction site. . . ?
>
> >> <dbom...@NOSPAMinsync.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If true, so what??? We don't have all the facts as to what caused
the
> >collapse and
> >> >for now, it appears that this was due to a structural failure not a
human
> >failure.
> >>
> >> So what?
> >>
> >> We kept hearing how carefully everyone involved followed the rules.
> >>
> >> Is it within the rules to be 4 times the legal definition of drunk and
> >> working on the Aggie stack of wood?
> >>
grads
> >and I have a
> >> >lot of respect for them. And as a parent, I feel very sad for the
> >parents who lost
> >> >a child.
> >>
> >> I feel sorry for them as well.
> >>
> >> Too bad their children died taking part in a meaningless Aggie Cult
> >> tradition.
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ****Getting drunk and stacking wood. Two of the finer Aggie
traditions
> >> >> on the wane.
> >> >>
Logan Villa
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> >> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Evidently you were denied entry also.
> >> >
that
> >> >one on their own. Nothing was said about acholhol in the work area.
> >> >Students drunk was though. Drunks should not be allowed in any area.
> >> >Especially newsgroups.
> >> >
> >> >Waste of what resources, manpower and time. Students on this planet
to
> >> >learn? Hell, let's not waste their time doing something so pointless,
> >as,
> >> >learning. These kids, students, did not get to where they are, or
were,
> >> >because someone twisted their arm. I said before, and will say again,
to
> >be
> >> >an Aggie is an honor. Oh, that they have the same human frailties as
us
> >> >all. When the lawsuits start and the dust settles, where do we go
from
> >> >here? Maybe somewhere that being a part of a brotherhood is not as
> >> >important? Maybe into the future, where the past teaches us,
hopefully
> >> >somewhere ignorant people will not open their talk holes out of line,
and
> >> >that compassion can be shown to all.
> >> >
> >> to justify his lame existance to this world.
>
>
> Militaristic yuppies.
Well, what % of the student population is made up of the military cadets? It
may have been 100% back 50 or more years ago but currently I believe it's
only a small number. The Aggie's that I meet tend to be a lot less self
impressed than many from other schools yet they still appear very
intelligent on average. Another writer in the thread contends that your
vendetta against them stems from your losing an argument to an Aggie. Is
that true or is there another reason you hate them? LV
Zepp
(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:41:49 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
>
>>
>>>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
>>
>>Militaristic yuppies.
>> Volt
>>
>An oxymoron Voltaire. You didn't run into Aggies up in Canada during
>the little `vacation from responsibility'
That's only because Canada requires a three-digit IQ as a requisite
for immigration.
>
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silverback
(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:39:50 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 02:50:21 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
>><mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Evidently you were denied entry also.
>>
>>I didn't go after a degree in goat breeding.
>I see, Voltaire, then you interest in goats lies in another direction,
>I take it. Probably largely limited to nannys.
from what I can gather it doesn't matter much to an aggie if the goat
is a nanny or not. After all we wouldn't want to confuse those aggies
or limit their choices.
>
>>>
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Larry Kessler
>My daughter attended the funerals of two friends that were killed in the
>accident. At the first one, the minister announced that the family had asked
>him to tell everyone that they wanted the bonfire to continue. At the second
>funeral, one of the parents spoke and said that they wanted the bonfire to
>continue.
>
>If the parents of the victims still want the tradition to continue, who are
>the rest of you to say it should be stopped?
I think it should continue as well. My father was the archetypical
Aggie -- Class of '38 -- the one they tell all those jokes about. :-)
>I may not have the exact quote but my daughter says the Aggies say something
>like:
>
>Those on the outside looking in can never understand and those on the inside
>can not explain.
My sympathies, but if those on the inside can't explain, maybe they
should go to English class and learn to express themselves better.
>I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am to have my daughter attend A&M.
>Unlike much of the rest of today's society, the students at A&M exhibit a
>spirit of family and comradery that I have never seen before. If the bonfire
>helps to create or encourage these feelings, then it should never be stopped.
The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
fashion.
Larry Kessler
>>>I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am to have my daughter attend A&M.
>>>Unlike much of the rest of today's society, the students at A&M exhibit a
>>>spirit of family and comradery that I have never seen before. If the bonfire
>>>helps to create or encourage these feelings, then it should never be stopped.
>>
>>The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
>>at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
>>pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
>>fashion.
>
>So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
>getting a good education?
No, that wasn't my point at all.
Professor Vonroach
>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:54:00 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com
>(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:41:49 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
>>>
>>>Militaristic yuppies.
>>> Volt
>>>
>>An oxymoron Voltaire. You didn't run into Aggies up in Canada during
>>the little `vacation from responsibility'
>
>That's only because Canada requires a three-digit IQ as a requisite
>for immigration.
>>
A low two-digit border guard would recognize a three-digit one even if
confronted with one which seems unlikely considering the dregs heading
that direction.
Professor Vonroach
>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:25:44 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:54:00 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com
>>(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:41:49 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
>>>>
>>>>Militaristic yuppies.
>
>>>An oxymoron Voltaire. You didn't run into Aggies up in Canada during
>>>the little `vacation from responsibility'
>>
>>That's only because Canada requires a three-digit IQ as a requisite
>>for immigration.
>
>The Professor (sic) has Yippies confused with Yuppies (Young Urban
>Professionals.)
>
>He must be pretty young.
>
> Volt
>
Voltaire you must be too young to understand the derivation of the
term - Yuppie (a middle-aged yippie; older but no smarter.)
Blacount
> >The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
> >at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
> >pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
> >fashion.
>
> So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
> getting a good education?
>
> Volt
The important part of college is getting a good education while making good friends and
business contacts. One of the best ways is by "school spirit" that remains long after
people graduate.
Mike Leonard
sided view he has. If it were any different he would jump the fence in a
heartbeat.
Send em to school and teach them my way is the way he comes across. No time
to screw around with things like fellowship, brotherhood, or tradition.
Maybe the responses we have witnessed, by Volt, are from his inability to
see that there are as much a part of the learning process as the classroom
studies are. To be on the outside, looking in, and doing nothing but
finding fault, is far worse than being on the inside, and not being able to
explain. Maybe he would care to explain, in his own words, how he truly
sees the world.
No URL references, no smartass remarks, and none of the extreme left or
right rhetoric. Say it as YOU see it Volt.
If it's too much to ask or if you feel you can't speak in public then we
will understand. We will understand, you stand on the backs of those that
have conviction with their lives. Be it fellowship, brotherhood, or
tradition to have a conviction (passion), of your own beliefs, is to not
dump smartass or offhanded remarks that hurt the victims, or families
thereof, after such a tragic accident.
"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote in message
news:384aece8.49332942@news-server...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:26:52 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> >>>I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am to have my daughter attend
A&M.
> >>>Unlike much of the rest of today's society, the students at A&M exhibit
a
> >>>spirit of family and comradery that I have never seen before. If the
bonfire
> >>>helps to create or encourage these feelings, then it should never be
stopped.
> >>
> >>The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
> >>at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
> >>pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
> >>fashion.
> >
> >So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
> >getting a good education?
>
Blacount
Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> This is the well organized activity for college student that the Aggie
> Cult brags on. The rules say no alcohol. That rule was not followed.
> The rules say only professionals may operate machinery. That rule was
> broken.
>
The rules say no alcohol for anyone WORKING ON THE STACK.
Again, I ask you, where is your proof that the two students who had been drinking were on the
stack?
And where is this "rule" about professionals operating machinery? And where is the proof that
a NON professional did operate "machinery"?
>
> >And too bad that a thoughtless person such as yourself likes to make wise ass comments
> >about it. Yeah, you feel their pain I can tell..*rolls eyes*
>
> Hopefully no more children will be sacrificed in the name of "Aggie
> Tradition."
>
No childern were. 12, and possibly soon 13, young men and women died when a the stack fell for
yet unknown reasons. They died doing something they wanted to do, loved to be doing and
believed in. While their deaths are sorrowful for those left behind, I can think of far worse
things to die from.
But my main point is like your hero, Steve, your comment was assinine and cruel. Apparently
the Arizona Republic feels the same way as they yanked your hero's cartoon and have been
apologizing ever since. I wouldn't be surprised if old Steve has a major problem on his hands
right now.
Mar...@city.net
several occasions to post the arrest record but has yet to do so. That is just
one example. As we are all aware, the usenet is loaded with conspiracies and
utter bull crap. You must sort out the crap to get down to the facts.
Mike Leonard wrote:
> You speak as though any of what you say will get through to this low,
> uncaring, and despicable individual. He stands on the backs of others to
> spread his bull. He wouldn't say he was wrong now, to do so, would be to
> let everyone know his place in the gene pool. I'm not talking the deep end
> either.
>
> "Blacount" <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:384AF8BD...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid...
Logan Villa
news:3857c22c...@news.mindspring.com...
You attacked them with glee and provided a link to an editorial cartoon that
even the source of which has apologized for. So what if they tend to be
conservative. Does your life revolve around such definitions?
> Have you ever been to College Station, Texas?
A long, long time ago.
> Do you know where the GOP shrine to George "The Wimp" H.W. Bush is
> located?
No
> Tell us about the average Aggie.
If you had bothered to read my reply, you'd have noticed that I was
referring to the average one that I dealt with. I don't even pretend to know
what motivates someone so filled with hate that it blinds their reasoning
skills and I asked the questions that I did in order to perhaps have a
better understanding of what drives you in this matter. I take it from your
response that you despise anything that even remotely appears conservative.
I don't know why that bothers you so much any more than I know why others
that respond think all liberals are scum.
I'm still wondering why you think they are militaristic yuppies considering
that yuppies don't, as a rule, join the military and that less than 5% of
the University are in their corp's. LV
Jorge R. Frank
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:17:28 GMT, akoe...@sunnews.infi.net wrote:
>
> >It was a tragic accident that would have never happened if the bonfire wasn't
> >such a part of tradition. Here's an idea, some will probably hate it,
> >but here it goes. Find an area you want to revitalize close to A&M
> >and have a party afterwards. I feel it would be really poor taste to
> >continue with a tradition that killed 12 of your classmates. If I
> >have offended anyone I apologize, this was not meant as an attack.
>
>
> In 90 years or so the Aggies will have made up for all the wood they
> have wasted.
A&M has planted 10,000 trees per year every spring since 1990.
Given that every single tree ever cut down for Bonfire has been on land
scheduled to be cleared anyway, that puts A&M about 100,000 trees in the
black.
Always happy to school you ignorant liberals.
--
JRF
Jorge R. Frank
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:36:20 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >The important part of college is getting a good education while making good friends and
> >business contacts. One of the best ways is by "school spirit" that remains long after
> >people graduate.
>
> Gawd?
I am unwilling to sacrifice any but my own, but if a group of legal
adults choose to engage in a risky activity that endangers no one
unconnected with the activity, I believe that is their choice to make.
You, on the other hand, appear to support a fascist nanny-state that
intervenes to save us from ourselves.
Four members of the A&M skydiving club died in a plane crash earlier
this year. I suppose you believe that A&M sacrificed those students to
the "sky-diving Gawd" and that the nanny-state should now prevent legal
adults from choosing to jump out of airplanes?
Jorge R. Frank
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:43:57 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >The rules say no alcohol for anyone WORKING ON THE STACK.
> >
> >Again, I ask you, where is your proof that the two students who had been drinking were on the
> >stack?
>
Nowhere in that article does it specify whether the drunk students were
actually *on the stack* when it collapsed. They could have been
standing on the ground beside it. That would not be a violation of
Bonfire work rules.
Are you only capable of cutting and pasting wire stories, or are you
actually capable of reading and comprehending them?
The evidence so far suggests the former.
Mike Leonard
uncaring, and despicable individual. He stands on the backs of others to
spread his bull. He wouldn't say he was wrong now, to do so, would be to
let everyone know his place in the gene pool. I'm not talking the deep end
either.
"Blacount" <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:384AF8BD...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid...
>
>
> Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> > This is the well organized activity for college student that the Aggie
> > Cult brags on. The rules say no alcohol. That rule was not followed.
> > The rules say only professionals may operate machinery. That rule was
> > broken.
> >
>
> The rules say no alcohol for anyone WORKING ON THE STACK.
>
> Again, I ask you, where is your proof that the two students who had been
drinking were on the
> stack?
>
Mike Leonard
the commentary, or should I say, dumbass remark, could have been kept to
yourself. Why would I hide from the likes of you. Your opinions are
offhanded remarks about a story written by someone with passion for their
profession. A side bar to the actual facts. You show little knowledge, of
the facts, other than your contempt for personal feelings of others, and a
tradition that does not include you.
You do not help the right wing, in their war on ignorance, spouting the
garbage you spout. The war on ignorance period has you on the front line,
not to mention, that soider with you in the crosshairs. Jump the fence if
it pertains. To post a transcript from 30 some odd years ago and to think
it makes a difference. Maybe you ought to go to Brown. I hear they have an
excellent goverment curriculum that feeds on your type. Then maybe you'd be
on the inside trying to explain why.
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:384e0451...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:49:59 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >He doesn't understand the point of any of this. He's here to cite the
one
> >sided view he has. If it were any different he would jump the fence in a
> >heartbeat.
>
> Is that your one sided view?
>
> >Send em to school and teach them my way is the way he comes across. No
time
> >to screw around with things like fellowship, brotherhood, or tradition.
> >Maybe the responses we have witnessed, by Volt, are from his inability to
> >see that there are as much a part of the learning process as the
classroom
> >studies are. To be on the outside, looking in, and doing nothing but
> >finding fault, is far worse than being on the inside, and not being able
to
> >explain. Maybe he would care to explain, in his own words, how he truly
> >sees the world.
>
> Getting drunk and stacking wood is an important part of one's college
> education?
>
> >No URL references, no smartass remarks, and none of the extreme left or
> >right rhetoric. Say it as YOU see it Volt.
>
> Actually I started this thread.
>
> I cited the URL for the article:
>
> Two of the Aggie Bonfire Dead Were Drunk
>
> The Associated Press, December 4, 1999
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Bonfire-Collapse.html
>
> COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP) -- Two of the 12 killed in the collapse
> of the Texas A&M University bonfire were legally drunk, prompting
> an investigation by the state Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
>
> Toxicology reports released Friday show the blood-alcohol level
> of two male students killed in the Nov. 18 accident exceeded the
> legal limit, the Bryan-College Station Eagle and The Dallas Morning
> News reported. The level of one student was nearly four times the
> .08 threshold, the newspapers said.
>
> I also cited a political cartoon that none of the Aggie Cultists want
> anyone to see:
>
> http://www.unitedmedia.com/editoons/benson/archive/cal-29.html
>
>
> >If it's too much to ask or if you feel you can't speak in public then we
> >will understand. We will understand, you stand on the backs of those
that
> >have conviction with their lives. Be it fellowship, brotherhood, or
> >tradition to have a conviction (passion), of your own beliefs, is to not
> >dump smartass or offhanded remarks that hurt the victims, or families
> >thereof, after such a tragic accident.
>
> An accident that did not have to happen. An accident caused by
> mindless adherence to a dangerous tradition.
>
> That is my opinion.
>
> If you don't like it feel free to run and hide from my posts, Mike.
>
> I won't be surprised.
>
> Volt
>
> >
> >"Larry Kessler" <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote in message
> >news:384aece8.49332942@news-server...
> >> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:26:52 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am to have my daughter attend
> >A&M.
> >> >>>Unlike much of the rest of today's society, the students at A&M
exhibit
> >a
> >> >>>spirit of family and comradery that I have never seen before. If
the
> >bonfire
> >> >>>helps to create or encourage these feelings, then it should never be
> >stopped.
> >> >>
> >> >>The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
> >> >>at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
> >> >>pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
> >> >>fashion.
> >> >
> >> >So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
> >> >getting a good education?
> >>
> >> No, that wasn't my point at all.
>
>
>
Mike Leonard
Yuppies was an 80's term. It's the ninties now. Dink, Double income no
kids. Dunk, Double unemployment no kids. Wink, Woman income no kids.
Mink, man income no kids. etc... Add the kids it all changes.
Speaking of educating the ignorant.
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:384d0389...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:02:10 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com
> (Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:53:53 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:25:44 GMT, ze...@snowcrest.net (Zepp) wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:54:00 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com
> >>>(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:41:49 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Do you think Aggies are yuppies?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Militaristic yuppies.
> >>
> >>>>An oxymoron Voltaire. You didn't run into Aggies up in Canada during
> >>>>the little `vacation from responsibility'
> >>>
> >>>That's only because Canada requires a three-digit IQ as a requisite
> >>>for immigration.
> >>
> >>The Professor (sic) has Yippies confused with Yuppies (Young Urban
> >>Professionals.)
> >>
> >>He must be pretty young.
>
> >Voltaire you must be too young to understand the derivation of the
> >term - Yuppie (a middle-aged yippie; older but no smarter.)
>
> The term Yuppie means Young Urban Professional.
>
> It has nothing to do with the Yuppie movement of the 60's which was
> headed by people like Abbie Hoffman.
>
> Yippies were just the opposite of Yuppies.
>
> You were saying?
>
> Now back to your support of the ritualistic sacrifice of A&M students
> and alumni in the name of tradition. . .?
>
> Volt
Mike Leonard
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:385f1422...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 20:00:05 -0100, Mar...@city.net wrote:
>
> >That's the same person that claims G W Bush used cocaine - he has been
ask on
> >several occasions to post the arrest record but has yet to do so. That
is just
> >one example. As we are all aware, the usenet is loaded with conspiracies
and
> >utter bull crap. You must sort out the crap to get down to the facts.
>
> So why will George DubYa not deny his cocaine use, Marylou?
Mike Leonard
with me. Biased reporting, from say, the houston press, well, get real.
Just what is it? The fact we don't buy into your crap or the fact that if
you say it enough it may come true? Dorothy your not in Kansas anymore. So
please, don't just click your heels and think we subscribe to your one line
of tripe. Go away, but don't go away mad either, just, go away.
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:38590fbd...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:23:04 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >You speak as though any of what you say will get through to this low,
> >uncaring, and despicable individual.
>
> I just schooled you two pretty well.
>
> Shall we make this a regular thing?
>
> You appear to be ignorant enough to keep me busy
>
> >He stands on the backs of others to spread his bull. He wouldn't say he
was wrong now, to do so, would be to
> >let everyone know his place in the gene pool. I'm not talking the deep
end
> >either.
>
> Actually, I just cited two different news articles that make you both
> look like ignorant cry babies
>
> =========================================
> Two of the Aggie Bonfire Dead Were Drunk
>
> The Associated Press, December 4, 1999
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Bonfire-Collapse.htm
>
> ========================================
>
> Aggie Student's use of Crane Violated Bonfire Rules
>
> Pete Slover and Christopher Lee of the Dallas Morning News,
> December 3, 1999
>
> http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/bonfire/1203bon1bonfire.htm
>
> =======================================
>
> Follow the URL's above to get less ignorant.
>
> Then drop by my web site to continue your education.
>
> I do love schooling ignorant conservatives.
Mike Leonard
crane operation. Your statement stands, I know, and I must say the Dallas
reporter did not show a bias. Your original statement was still heartless.
<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:38580bc8...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:43:57 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >> This is the well organized activity for college student that the Aggie
> >> Cult brags on. The rules say no alcohol. That rule was not followed.
> >> The rules say only professionals may operate machinery. That rule was
> >> broken.
> >>
> >
> >The rules say no alcohol for anyone WORKING ON THE STACK.
> >
> >Again, I ask you, where is your proof that the two students who had been
drinking were on the
> >stack?
>
>
> The Associated Press, December 4, 1999
>
>
> COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP) -- Two of the 12 killed in the collapse
> of the Texas A&M University bonfire were legally drunk, prompting
> an investigation by the state Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
>
> Toxicology reports released Friday show the blood-alcohol level
> of two male students killed in the Nov. 18 accident exceeded the
> legal limit, the Bryan-College Station Eagle and The Dallas Morning
> News reported. The level of one student was nearly four times the
> .08 threshold, the newspapers said.
>
> while one former student had drank a small amount. Toxicology results
> for the 12th student were not available on Friday.
>
> Leo E. Linbeck, a Houston construction executive leading a separate,
> five-member investigative committee, said the toxicology reports
> will be added to the data already under review. The committee met
> for the first time on Friday.
>
> Alcohol-related arrests long have been associated with the lighting
> of the bonfire, rather than the weeks leading up to the event,
> Wiatt said.
>
> drinkers and student leaders urged other not to shatter the tradition
> with drinking, he said.
>
> Those who worked on the project signed pledge cards promising they
> would not drink and climb on the bonfire, he said.
>
where is the proof that
> >a NON professional did operate "machinery"?
>
>
> Pete Slover and Christopher Lee of the Dallas Morning News,
> December 3, 1999
>
> http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/bonfire/1203bon1bonfire.htm
>
> the Texas A&M bonfire when it collapsed was an A&M student,
> an apparent violation of a rule that only professional operators
> may run the cranes.
>
> The university has conceded that freshmen and sophomores were allowed
> to work on the upper levels of the tiered log tower, contrary to
> written rules.
>
> In addition to that regulation, the hazard control measures handed
> down from previous classes and listed in the "Bonfire Safety Handbook"
>
> call for "professional operation of crane." The stipulation is
> designed, the book says, to prevent logs from swinging into or
> falling off the stack.
>
> "I can't overemphasize the fact that we know nothing about what
> happened yet, and we're not going to jump to conclusions until
> we have a full body of facts and all of the circumstances to support
> those facts," said Mr. Linbeck, chairman of Linbeck Construction
> Corp. in Houston.
>
> Dr. Bill Kibler, A&M's associate vice president for student
> affairs, said he does not have enough information to know whether
> the student's operation of a crane represented a safety violation.
>
> "The safety handbook calls for a 'professional operator.' It doesn't
> say 'licensed,' " said Dr. Kibler, who was A&M's bonfire adviser
> from 1983 to 1992.
>
> The handbook - whose title says it was "prepared for Texas A&
> M University students, faculty, and staff, and parents and the
> general public - is not an official A&M document, Dr. Kibler
> has said.
>
> According to police reports, when the first officer arrived at
> the accident scene, he found two cranes and two crane operators.
> The first, a man who described himself as a licensed crane operator,
> was an employee of H.B. Zachry Construction Co. of San Antonio,
> which had donated the use of the crane he was driving.
>
> The second, manning a machine rented by the university, was Michael
> Rusek, a 24-year-old engineering technology student. A member of
> the Corps of Cadets and the Aggie band, a 1994 graduate of Garland
> High School, Mr. Rusek's listing in the A&M Internet phone
> directory includes the slogan, "Build the HELL outta Aggie Bonfire!!!"
>
> "The operator of the south crane [yellow in color], Michael Rusek,
> advised when asked that he was not licensed to operate the crane,
> but had done so for many years," said a report by University Police
> Officer L. Perry.
>
> Mr. Rusek, who declined to comment when contacted by phone Thursday,
> gave a brief statement to police moments after the accident. On
> the statement form, the space for student I.D. or job title lists
> him as "crane operator," not mentioning his student status.
>
> "Was operating crane on S. side of stack. Had just picked up log
> from SW side of stack. Picked log up, I heard a loud cracking &
> popping & saw stack falling towards my crane," the statement
> said. "I jumped out and then set the log down & turned the
> machine off. The logs fell through the front windshield and landed
> on roof."
>
> "It's kind of gray," said Paul Brantley, director of the Austin
> regional office of the federal Occupational Safety and Health
> Administration.
> "There's nobody out there that stamps you and says, 'You're a crane
> operator.' "
>
> However, he said, "If you are a prudent employer, you are not going
> to put anybody on that crane that you are not satisfied can safely
> operate it."
>
> The federal government does have a voluntary certification program
> for crane operators. To become certified, an operator must pass
> physical, written and drug tests, as well as passing a skills test
> on the crane.
>
> "We consider them [the tests] mandatory," said Vicky Waddy, a
> spokeswoman for Zachry Construction.
>
> Dr. Kibler, the former bonfire adviser, said that, as best as he
> could recall, students did not man the cranes during his tenure.
>
> "I don't recall when I was the adviser that we had a student
> operator," he said.
>
> A&M officials could not answer Thursday how Mr. Rusek came
> to drive the crane.
>
> A spokesman for the company that owns the crane said it was up
> to the university, as the renter, to provide a qualified operator.
>
> "This was just a bare rental - without an operator," said Allan
> Woodruff, Houston regional manager for Scott-Macon equipment rentals.
> "We don't have any say or control over who operates the crane."
>
> >> >And too bad that a thoughtless person such as yourself likes to make
wise ass comments
> >> >about it. Yeah, you feel their pain I can tell..*rolls eyes*
> >>
> >> Hopefully no more children will be sacrificed in the name of "Aggie
> >> Tradition."
>
> >No childern were. 12, and possibly soon 13, young men and women died when
a the stack fell for
> >yet unknown reasons. They died doing something they wanted to do, loved
to be doing and
> >believed in. While their deaths are sorrowful for those left behind, I
can think of far worse
> >things to die from.
>
>
> Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
>
> >But my main point is like your hero, Steve, your comment was assinine and
cruel. Apparently
> >the Arizona Republic feels the same way as they yanked your hero's
cartoon and have been
> >apologizing ever since. I wouldn't be surprised if old Steve has a major
problem on his hands
> >right now.
>
> exposing their idiotic traditions?
>
> http://www.unitedmedia.com/editoons/benson/archive/cal-29.html
>
> Is there anything else I can teach you, Blacount?
silverback
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>That was Hippies you morone. Yippies was a 70's term, transitional to 80's.
damn dummy, Abbie Hoffman founded the yippies right after Chicago-68.
>Yuppies was an 80's term. It's the ninties now. Dink, Double income no
>kids. Dunk, Double unemployment no kids. Wink, Woman income no kids.
>Mink, man income no kids. etc... Add the kids it all changes.
>
>Speaking of educating the ignorant.
>
><Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>> Volt
>>
>> Ecrasons l'infame
>>
>> Join The War On Right Wing Ignorance:
>> http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/
>>
>> How Dumb is George DubYa?
>> http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
>>
>>
>===========================================================================
>> When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible and,
>unlike some,
>> I grew from that initial position and clearly some are still stuck in it.
>>
>> --Steve Forbes on DubYa's refusal to own up to his
>wicked past
>>
>===========================================================================
>>
>
>
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:03:36 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
>wrote:
[...]
>>I'm still wondering why you think they are militaristic yuppies considering
>>that yuppies don't, as a rule, join the military and that less than 5% of
>>the University are in their corp's. LV
>Like I said. You don't know Aggies.
You obviously don't know Aggies either, Mr. Kennemur. Perhaps if you intended
to actually discuss the issue you brought up, rather than continue your futile
attempt to get back at one former grad student there who assisted you in
making yourself look even more witless than usual...
--PLH, evidently, Jimbo didn't qualify for admission to my alma mater, either,
heh heh
Larry Kessler
>That was Hippies you morone. Yippies was a 70's term, transitional to 80's.
>Yuppies was an 80's term. It's the ninties now. Dink, Double income no
>kids. Dunk, Double unemployment no kids. Wink, Woman income no kids.
>Mink, man income no kids. etc... Add the kids it all changes.
>
>Speaking of educating the ignorant.
Let's get some terms defined before more any fools self-identify.
Hippies were the core of the 60s counter-culture, somewhat inspired by
the beatniks of the 1950s. Theirs was more a social revolution than a
political one.
Yippies were members of the Youth International Party, a radical
political party formed by Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, Paul Krassner
and other prominent leftists of the time. www.freespeech.org/yippie
After several of their leaders (known as the "Chicago 8" were tried
for conspiracy, the YIP pretty much withered away.
Yuppies are Young Urban Professionals, who like their cousins the
Buppies (Black Urban Professionals), Guppies (Gay Urban Professionals)
and even the hippies of decades earlier, are an archetype but not an
organization like the YIP. Their most prominent impact has been
economic.
Blacount
> You speak as though any of what you say will get through to this low,
> uncaring, and despicable individual. He stands on the backs of others to
> spread his bull. He wouldn't say he was wrong now, to do so, would be to
> let everyone know his place in the gene pool. I'm not talking the deep end
> either.
Too true I agree but, I won't remain silent while he gleefully dances on the
graves of the fallen, the memories of thier lives by family and friends and
continues to spout his cruel drivel. I just can't.
I can however keep snipping his comments and references to a defunked cartoon
and contact the URL that has the cartoon and ask them to remove it. Which I
have.
Blacount
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 03:14:44 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Would you deny yours?
>
> Sure. I have never used cocaine. Not once.
>
> But I do love coffee.
>
> See.
>
> That was easy. Why can you Boy DubYa do the same thing?
>
> Volt
>
For the same reason you won't admit your wise ass comments and unfounded accusations
are wrong I guess. At least, in your mind.
Last I recall, Bush stated he was not going to talk about that because its not
realative to the current campaign.
Blacount
>
> I just schooled you two pretty well.
>
> Shall we make this a regular thing?
>
> You appear to be ignorant enough to keep me busy
>
The dumb calling the others ignorant..how quaint. Just where is the proof I asked for that the two students that
had been drinking were working on the stack?
Schooled indeed...crawl back under you rock...
> Actually, I just cited two different news articles that make you both
> look like ignorant cry babies
>
> =========================================
> Two of the Aggie Bonfire Dead Were Drunk
>
> The Associated Press, December 4, 1999
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-Bonfire-Collapse.htm
>
>
eheh..get on thier mailing list to read the article...how cute...
> ========================================
>
> Aggie Student's use of Crane Violated Bonfire Rules
>
> Pete Slover and Christopher Lee of the Dallas Morning News,
> December 3, 1999
>
> http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/bonfire/1203bon1bonfire.htm
>
> =======================================
>
Some significant parts of this article...
No evidence made public links equipment operation, disaster. (Strike one)
No evidence has been made public to suggest that operation of the crane played a role in causing the Nov. 18
disaster, which killed 12 people and injured 27.
Strike Two:
"I can't overemphasize the fact that we know nothing about what happened
yet, and we're not going to jump to conclusions until we have a full body of
facts and all of the circumstances to support those facts," said Mr.
Linbeck, chairman of Linbeck Construction Corp. in Houston.
"The safety handbook calls for a 'professional operator.' It doesn't say 'licensed,' " said Dr. Kibler, who was
A&M's bonfire adviser from 1983 to 1992.
Strike Three (your outta here)
"The operator of the south crane [yellow in color], Michael Rusek, advised when asked that he was not licensed to
operate the crane, but had done so for many years," said a report by University Police Officer L. Perry.
The question of when a crane operator is a "professional" is murky, because anybody can legally drive a crane in
Texas.
An A&M spokesman said Mr. Rusek has 200 hours of experience, sufficient to satisfy federal requirements for
operating the equipment. The spokesman said that as far as he knew the student had racked up the hours in one
place:
"He's worked on bonfire in years past," said spokesman Lane Stephenson, who said he could not answer the question
of what Mr. Rusek's qualifications were when he first started running the crane.
{And what does a TRAINED, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL HAVE TO SAY?)
The man who ran the Zachry crane alongside Mr. Rusek said in a telephone interview Thursday that he knew nothing
of Mr. Rusek's background, but that he was impressed with the young man's skills.
"The only thing I'll tell you is that he was a good operator," said Eugene Couch, 38, of San Antonio. "He didn't
just jump in there and turn the key."
***
Yeah, that article sure supports your version don't it? *NOT*
>
> Follow the URL's above to get less ignorant.
>
> Then drop by my web site to continue your education.
>
> I do love schooling ignorant conservatives.
hehe...stupidity on the internet, a waste of hard drive space for drivel that would be put in a bird cage for
"Polly" and self proclaimed blind man leading the seeing....
Think I will pass. I have enough stupid morons to deal with.
Oh, I would STILL like to see your proof about ANYTHING you have stated.
Blacount
> >No childern were. 12, and possibly soon 13, young men and women died when a the stack fell for
> >yet unknown reasons. They died doing something they wanted to do, loved to be doing and
> >believed in. While their deaths are sorrowful for those left behind, I can think of far worse
> >things to die from.
>
> So dying while stacking wood is a noble death?
>
> Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
>
To you sure, to me they were continuing a time honored tradition of fellowship. Big difference.
Do you know how dumb you sound? Obviously not.
>
> >But my main point is like your hero, Steve, your comment was assinine and cruel. Apparently
> >the Arizona Republic feels the same way as they yanked your hero's cartoon and have been
> >apologizing ever since. I wouldn't be surprised if old Steve has a major problem on his hands
> >right now.
>
> Are the Aggies gonna throw some logs on Steve Benson for his sin of
> exposing their idiotic traditions?
>
No, but I sure like the fact that the paper had the good taste to. Pulled that sucker right out
didn't they?
>
> Is there anything else I can teach you, Blacount?
Sure is, WHERE'S YOU DAMN PROOF?
You have listed two stories, NIETHER OF WHICH support you comments.
The first does not show where the two drunk students were WORKING ON THE STACK.
The second supports the use of the student on the crane, in direct contradiction to your statement
and goes on to say your comment is wrong by saying it had nothign to do with the collapse.
So again, where is your proof?
Care to keep being schooled? I want facts, not your opinion. So far, the facts are calling you a
outright lying scumbag.
Blacount
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 03:26:05 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Didn't make either one of us look like anything. Factual reporting is fine
> >with me. Biased reporting, from say, the houston press, well, get real.
>
> Those citations are from the Associated Press and the Dallas Morning
> News.
>
And neither supported your statements...so your point is?
>
> >Just what is it? The fact we don't buy into your crap or the fact that if
> >you say it enough it may come true?
>
> The fact that when faced with the facts you begin to attack the
> messenger.
>
> A sure sign you are losing, Mike.
>
There is only one loser here...and your it...
>
> >Dorothy your not in Kansas anymore. So
> >please, don't just click your heels and think we subscribe to your one line
> >of tripe. Go away, but don't go away mad either, just, go away.
>
> I'll be right her schooling your dumb ass, Mike.
>
> Get used to it.
You? School anyone? Not likely.
Unless its how to be a dumb ass, assinine, cruel, uncaring dipwad. You got that down
pat.
Blacount
> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:36:20 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> >> >The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
> >> >at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
> >> >pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
> >> >fashion.
> >>
> >> So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
> >> getting a good education?
>
> >The important part of college is getting a good education while making good friends and
> >business contacts. One of the best ways is by "school spirit" that remains long after
> >people graduate.
>
> So you are willing to sacrifice 12 people to your "school spirit"
> Gawd?
>
> No. Seriously. . . . .You are kidding aren't you?
Willing to? No. Accept death as a part of life? Sure.
Would it matter how they died? Bus accident? Plane Crash?
If they were going to a "school spirit" ceremony you'd say that was the cause. The reason
those 12 died was from injuries received when a stack of logs fell. An accident that is
still under investigation and a tragedy. Yet you profess to call all Aggies drunk and their
traditions stupid. And you have the gall to shake a finger at me?
Your simply incredulous. Go crawl back under your rock.
Jim Riley
>How Dumb is George DubYa?
>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
set in.
Jim Riley
>http://www.unitedmedia.com/editoons/benson/archive/cal-29.html
Nothing displays in my browser.
Blacount
>
> Of COURSE he's incredulous! Any normal person would be, when faced
> with the claim that a really stupid and meaningless school custom
> justifies the loss of lives.
>
> BTW, you might want to look the word "incredulous" up. It doesn't
> mean what I think you think it means.
I know what it means...and if you put it in the context of what I said, it don't mean what your
thinking.
And I am not discussing the stack falling, just his LIES about why it happened and both of your
opinions that the tradition is "a really stupid and meaningless" one. Its not.
Blacount
> Blacount <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >To you sure, to me they were continuing a time honored tradition of fellowship. Big difference.
>
> So when Clinton passes the long standing, time honored tradition of kicking your
> ignorant right wing asses, you'll stand up an applaud?
>
Un-huh....<yawn>
>
> >Do you know how dumb you sound? Obviously not.
>
> No, but you've given us plenty of your own examples.
>
snicker....<yawn> Un-huh.
>
> no thanks necessary.
>
> Always glad to oblige an ingorant right winger
Uh-huh....oh, your done with your babbling?
Good, now then. When are you going to show me the proof leftist? All I see is smoke...like that
stuff Bill didn't inhale. You know.
Or the "I did not have sexual relations with {Monica}"
Jim Riley
>http://www.unitedmedia.com/editoons/benson/archive/cal-29.html
Since there is nothing there. How about:
<http://www.azcentral.com/opinions/benson/111999benson.shtml>
Kurt Lochner
>
> rose...@idt.net wrote:
>
> > Blacount <sim...@ev1.net> wrote:
> >
> > >To you sure, to me they were continuing a time honored tradition
> > >of fellowship. Big difference.
> >
> > So when Clinton passes the long standing, time honored tradition
> > of kicking your ignorant right wing asses, you'll stand up an
> > applaud?
> >
>
> Un-huh....<yawn>
<LOL!> You apparently are a newbie/luser..
> > > Do you know how dumb you sound? Obviously not.
> >
> > No, but you've given us plenty of your own examples.
>
> snicker....<yawn> Un-huh.
Hrmmm, Everyone's Internet, Inc..
--207.218.208.160 <ab...@ev1.net>
Logan Villa
news:384eac2d...@news.mindspring.com...> ><Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
> >news:3857c22c...@news.mindspring.com...
> >> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:39:06 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Militaristic yuppies.
> >>
> >> >Well, what % of the student population is made up of the military
cadets?
> >It
> >> >may have been 100% back 50 or more years ago but currently I believe
it's
> >> >only a small number. The Aggie's that I meet tend to be a lot less
self
> >> >impressed than many from other schools yet they still appear very
> >> >intelligent on average. Another writer in the thread contends that
your
> >> >vendetta against them stems from your losing an argument to an Aggie.
Is
> >> >that true or is there another reason you hate them?
> >>
> >> So I hate Aggies for pointing out that they tend to be conservative?
> >
> >You attacked them with glee and provided a link to an editorial cartoon
that
> >even the source of which has apologized for. So what if they tend to be
> >conservative. Does your life revolve around such definitions?
>
No, which is why I'm so curious as to why yours does.
> >> Have you ever been to College Station, Texas?
> >
> >A long, long time ago.
>
> I hasn't changed much.
Apparently, their building a library has irked you something fierce.
> That's why they call them reactionaries.
I haven't heard anyone call them that except yourself.
> >> Do you know where the GOP shrine to George "The Wimp" H.W. Bush is
> >> located?
> >
> >No
>
> College Station, Texas.
I thought you meant exactly where in C.S. I remember the announcements
awhile back regarding the library. Every paper in the country probably ran
the story.
> Still think A&M is some liberal University?
I never claimed that it was. I only pointed out that yuppies and the
military don't mix. You're the one fixated on pigeon-holing anyone going to
school at A&M, not me.
> >> Tell us about the average Aggie.
> >
> >If you had bothered to read my reply, you'd have noticed that I was
> >referring to the average one that I dealt with. I don't even pretend to
know
> >what motivates someone so filled with hate that it blinds their reasoning
> >skills and I asked the questions that I did in order to perhaps have a
> >better understanding of what drives you in this matter. I take it from
your
> >response that you despise anything that even remotely appears
conservative.
> >I don't know why that bothers you so much any more than I know why others
> >that respond think all liberals are scum.
>
> You are the one that is upset.
In a basic way, yes. I found some of your comments offensive regarding the
deaths of 12 young people. I was curious as to where your hate springs from.
Others have indicated that you were either turned down for admission, were
beaten silly in an argument by an Aggie, or you just hate anything even
remotely connected with the term "conservative".
> >I'm still wondering why you think they are militaristic yuppies
considering
> >that yuppies don't, as a rule, join the military and that less than 5% of
> >the University are in their corp's. LV
>
> Like I said. You don't know Aggies.
Maybe not but judging by the comments I've read in the rest of this thread,
neither do you. LV
rose...@idt.net
>To you sure, to me they were continuing a time honored tradition of fellowship. Big difference.
So when Clinton passes the long standing, time honored tradition of kicking your
ignorant right wing asses, you'll stand up an applaud?
>Do you know how dumb you sound? Obviously not.
No, but you've given us plenty of your own examples.
no thanks necessary.
rose...@idt.net
>And you have the gall to shake a finger at me?
Guess what !
That's not a finger he's shaking at you! !
>Your simply incredulous.
I'll bet you DO see that.
Zepp
<sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:36:20 -0600, Blacount
>> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> >The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school spirit
>> >> >at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
>> >> >pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was the
>> >> >fashion.
>> >>
>> >> So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and not
>> >> getting a good education?
>>
>> >The important part of college is getting a good education while making good friends and
>> >business contacts. One of the best ways is by "school spirit" that remains long after
>> >people graduate.
>>
>> So you are willing to sacrifice 12 people to your "school spirit"
>> Gawd?
>>
>> No. Seriously. . . . .You are kidding aren't you?
>
>Willing to? No. Accept death as a part of life? Sure.
>
>Would it matter how they died? Bus accident? Plane Crash?
>
>If they were going to a "school spirit" ceremony you'd say that was the cause. The reason
>those 12 died was from injuries received when a stack of logs fell. An accident that is
>still under investigation and a tragedy. Yet you profess to call all Aggies drunk and their
>traditions stupid. And you have the gall to shake a finger at me?
>
>Your simply incredulous. Go crawl back under your rock.
Of COURSE he's incredulous! Any normal person would be, when faced
with the claim that a really stupid and meaningless school custom
justifies the loss of lives.
BTW, you might want to look the word "incredulous" up. It doesn't
mean what I think you think it means.
>
>--
>Benjamin La Count (Blac...@prepaidlegal.com)
>Independent Associate (Texas)
>Pre Paid Legal Services Inc. (NYSE:PPD)
>
>
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"Zepp" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:384c729f....@news.snowcrest.net...
Volt), you also, as a matter of record, would be so stupid to the fact that
these kids died, on accident, doing something they loved. Defend him if you
must but your line is just as incredulous as his smartass remark at the end
of his original post.
Please feel free to use the dictionary yourself for any of the words you do
not understand.
Mike Leonard
What does clinton have to do with this paticular thread anyway?
Keep your tripe, left or right, over there in *.politics where it belongs.
Mike, just middle of the road, Leonard
<rose...@idt.net> wrote in message news:384c7317...@news.idt.net...
Mike Leonard
as Benson's cartoon.
Volt still hasn't come foward to proclaim his sources for his remark's.
That's the left for ya. Spread a bunch a crap and leave.
Mike Leonard
"Jim Riley" <jim...@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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Zepp
>Blacount <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>And you have the gall to shake a finger at me?
>
>Guess what !
>
>That's not a finger he's shaking at you! !
>>Your simply incredulous.
>
>I'll bet you DO see that.
Jim, I'm almost certain it's illegal to shake that at an insurance
adjuster in the state of Texas. It's certainly cruel--much like
waving about a roast leg of lamb in front of starving beggers.
>
**********************************************************
>Bush dodged a question about what he would do if the government
>surplus grew at a slower rate than he projected in his $483 billion,
>five-year tax plan.
>
>``I refuse to accept the premise that surpluses will decline if I were
>president,'' Bush said.
>
Newsday, 12/6/99
Zepp
<sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>Zepp wrote:
>
>>
>> Of COURSE he's incredulous! Any normal person would be, when faced
>> with the claim that a really stupid and meaningless school custom
>> justifies the loss of lives.
>>
>> BTW, you might want to look the word "incredulous" up. It doesn't
>> mean what I think you think it means.
>
>I know what it means...and if you put it in the context of what I said, it don't mean what your
>thinking.
Ah. The Red Queen approach. Words mean precisely what you want them
to mean, and nothing less. I think we've identified the factor that
has lead to your obvious mentation problems.
>
>And I am not discussing the stack falling, just his LIES about why it happened and both of your
>opinions that the tradition is "a really stupid and meaningless" one. Its not.
What was he lying about? Two of the kids working on it were drunk,
one of them blind stinkin' drunk.
Getting killed while stacking wood for a bonfire really is a stupid
way to go. Most of the kids who got killed weren't screwing up,
either.
Do you think any of them would have been HAPPY to die at the age of 18
for the sake of the Texas A&M bonfire?
Zepp
>> Of COURSE he's incredulous! Any normal person would be, when faced
>> with the claim that a really stupid and meaningless school custom
>> justifies the loss of lives.
>>
>> BTW, you might want to look the word "incredulous" up. It doesn't
>> mean what I think you think it means.
>Used in context it got his point across. Unbelievable that someone, (i.e.
>Volt), you also, as a matter of record, would be so stupid to the fact that
>these kids died, on accident, doing something they loved. Defend him if you
>must but your line is just as incredulous as his smartass remark at the end
>of his original post.
When I was In high school, I loved getting drunk and tearing around in
the mountains of Central California.
If I had gotten my fool ass killed, that would have been a painfully
stupid death, and would have shamed my parents.
But you are saying that if I enjoyed it, then it must have been worth
doing?...
>
>Please feel free to use the dictionary yourself for any of the words you do
>not understand.
>
Start by defining "incredulous" for us, if you would be so kind.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Benjamin La Count (Blac...@prepaidlegal.com)
>> >Independent Associate (Texas)
>> >Pre Paid Legal Services Inc. (NYSE:PPD)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> "If they offered their President up for resignation, we might
>> have thought differently of it."
>>
>> -- noted Republican strategist
>> Rush Limbaugh on the CTBT,
>> Oct. 15th, 1999.
>>
Mitchell Holman
Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
rose...@idt.net
>Good, now then. When are you going to show me the proof leftist? All I see is smoke...
Being that close to my ass, I'm surprised you could "see" anything.
rose...@idt.net
>This from somewhere out of LEFT field I pressume.
>
>What does clinton have to do with this paticular thread anyway?
>
>Keep your tripe, left or right, over there in *.politics where it belongs.
What the fuck do you "think" the "politics" in Alt. Politics.usa.republican
stands for?
Mike Leonard
parents by drinking and driving in high school. The painfully stupid part
started when you foolishly stood beside Volt and his dumb remarks. Can you
answer the questions posed to Volt? Where did it say the drunken students
were actually preforming work on the bonfire?
Mike Leonard
"Zepp" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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Mike Leonard
disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League school,
oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education then
anythings possible.
Mike Leonard
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Mike Leonard
thread before jumping in, with both your left feet, or do you agree lies
should be spread over the graves of the dead?
Mike Leonard
<rose...@idt.net> wrote in message news:384c9e13...@news.idt.net...
Rich Travsky
> In article <82hsh5$5n0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, jim...@pipeline.com wrote:
> }On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> }
> }>How Dumb is George DubYa?
> }>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
> }
> }1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
> }senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
> }set in.
>
> Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
> him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
> if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
> Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
He was worried he might get put on the Bonfire Team.
RT
The OldTimer
Blacount wrote in message <384C6791...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid>...
>Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 03:14:44 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
>> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Would you deny yours?
>>
>> Sure. I have never used cocaine. Not once.
>>
>> But I do love coffee.
>>
>> See.
>>
>> That was easy. Why can you Boy DubYa do the same thing?
>>
>> Volt
>>
>
>For the same reason you won't admit your wise ass comments and unfounded
accusations
>are wrong I guess. At least, in your mind.
>
>Last I recall, Bush stated he was not going to talk about that because its
not
>realative to the current campaign.
>
>--
>Benjamin La Count (Blac...@prepaidlegal.com)
>Independent Associate (Texas)
>Pre Paid Legal Services Inc. (NYSE:PPD)
>
>
Take the time to drive through Volties neighborhood one day and you will see
for yourself why he is so obsessed with drugs. With all the little kids
hanging around his house, hell he might be a dealer himself.
X-No-Archive: Yes
By God, he worked his ass off for it
and I don't care what anybody says,
it belongs to me!
The GIMMIECRAT creed.
The OldTimer
Professor Vonroach
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Barbara use cloth or
>disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
>Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League school,
>oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education then
>anythings possible.
Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to escape
certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
>Mike Leonard
>
>"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>news:8D2E9A83CB0E382E.50400D91...@lp.airnews.net...
Jorge R. Frank
>
> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:21:00 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Would it matter how they died? Bus accident? Plane Crash?
>
> or planes?
Sure do. A&M has one of the largest and most respected engineering
colleges in the nation, and its graduates do go on to build buses,
trains, and planes... and lots of other things.
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"Mike Leonard" <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> What does clinton have to do with this paticular thread anyway?
On the other hand, the Clinton-*haters* seem to interject him into every
discussion, so maybe it's meet that a Clinton supporter mentioned him --
no matter who irrelevant that reference might be.
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Before you buy.
Where-Was-George ?
pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
> Volt...@geocities.com writes:
>
> >On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:03:36 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
> >wrote:
>
>
> >>I'm still wondering why you think they are militaristic yuppies
considering
> >>that yuppies don't, as a rule, join the military and that less than
5% of
> >>the University are in their corp's. LV
>
> >Like I said. You don't know Aggies.
>
intended
> to actually discuss the issue you brought up, rather than continue
your futile
> attempt to get back at one former grad student there who assisted you
in
> making yourself look even more witless than usual...
>
> --PLH, evidently, Jimbo didn't qualify for admission to my alma
mater, either,
> heh heh
>
Hey, Humphey: Aggies aren't a part of the military. They just dress up
that way for some strange reason and incur no military obligation.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Can you explain why tax dollars were used to stage a flyover of f-18s
over the memorial service ?
--
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He and it will care if on Nov. 7, 2000, people think
of Al Gore or Bill Bradley as an unexciting but serious
professor and of him as an amiable fraternity boy, but a boy."
-George F. Will-
Where-Was-George ?
jrf...@ibm-pc.org wrote:
> Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:17:28 GMT, akoe...@sunnews.infi.net wrote:
> >
> > >It was a tragic accident that would have never happened if the
bonfire wasn't
> > >such a part of tradition. Here's an idea, some will probably hate
it,
> > >but here it goes. Find an area you want to revitalize close to A&M
> > >and plant 10,000 trees. Have a tribute to the ones who were killed
> > >and have a party afterwards. I feel it would be really poor taste
to
> > >continue with a tradition that killed 12 of your classmates. If I
> > >have offended anyone I apologize, this was not meant as an attack.
> >
> > Planting 10,000 trees sounds good.
> >
> > In 90 years or so the Aggies will have made up for all the wood
they
> > have wasted.
>
> A&M has planted 10,000 trees per year every spring since 1990.
>
> Given that every single tree ever cut down for Bonfire has been on
land
> scheduled to be cleared anyway, that puts A&M about 100,000 trees in
the
> black.
>
> Always happy to school you ignorant liberals.
Um, speaking of skoolin' doesn't it take about 20 years for a tree to
reach maturity ?
And how about the air pollution caused by burning 8000 trees ?
I live in Houston and haven't been able to enjoy burning a pile of
leaves in the fall for at least the last 20 years. Nope, gotta bag 'em
and store the bags for the monthly heavy trash pickup.
> --
>
> JRF
>
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> check "Organization" and think one step ahead of IBM.
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<rtra...@REMOVETHISuwyo.edu> wrote:
>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> In article <82hsh5$5n0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, jim...@pipeline.com wrote:
>> }On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>> }
>> }>How Dumb is George DubYa?
>> }>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
>> }
>> }1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
>> }senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
>> }set in.
>>
>> Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
>> him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
>> if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
>> Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
>
>He was worried he might get put on the Bonfire Team.
How much do you know about that R.T.?
Are you another hate-filled reject like Kennemur?
Where did you attend college? If you didn't as your remark suggests
then why do you presume to comment on an experience you have never
had?
>RT
Mike Leonard
it looks like *, and feels like *, and taste like *, don't inhale cause it
might be.
Mike
"Professor Vonroach" <vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:03:07 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Barbara use cloth or
> >disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
> >Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League
school,
> >oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education
then
> >anythings possible.
> Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to escape
> certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
> >Mike Leonard
> >
> >"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
> >news:8D2E9A83CB0E382E.50400D91...@lp.airnews.net...
Zepp
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>The question you asked, you answered, before you asked it. You shamed your
>parents by drinking and driving in high school. The painfully stupid part
>started when you foolishly stood beside Volt and his dumb remarks. Can you
>answer the questions posed to Volt? Where did it say the drunken students
>were actually preforming work on the bonfire?
What were they doing in the stack if they weren't working on it? This
was a bonfire pile collapsing, you know, and not a nuclear accident.
The drunks didn't die because the wind was wrong, did they?
At least you backed away from that stupid remark that it was justified
because the kids loved it.
Mike Leonard
> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:47:07 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >The question you asked, you answered, before you asked it. You shamed
your
> >parents by drinking and driving in high school. The painfully stupid
part
> >started when you foolishly stood beside Volt and his dumb remarks. Can
you
> >answer the questions posed to Volt? Where did it say the drunken
students
> >were actually preforming work on the bonfire?
>
> What were they doing in the stack if they weren't working on it?
have many meanings when used in this context. In or under? Or, do you know
which? I don't seem to recall any reports on body locations, as of this
date, but you seem to follow Volt's thinking, so, which is it? Never mind
let me guess your answer. And you say your teaching me.
> This
> was a bonfire pile collapsing, you know, and not a nuclear accident.
> The drunks didn't die because the wind was wrong, did they?
Maybe, maybe not. You tell me since you have access to information ill
afforded to us. Oh, yea, that line from we stick together through thick and
thin. Believe Volt if you wish but please be a little more original with
your trite comments.
>
> At least you backed away from that stupid remark that it was justified
> because the kids loved it.
In high school you loved getting drunk and tearing around in
the mountains of Central California. If you would have been killed, at
least people could say, you died doing what you loved to do, no matter how
asinine that may sound. You shame your parents now by living as though you
might have done something in the past to shame them. Following the comment
made by Volt has just proven that you should feel your parents shame.
These kids died doing something they had a passion for. Traditions will
survive, kids will still learn, kids will still go to A&M, kids will want to
be a part of a great traditions that A&M stands for, and kids will still get
an education that far surpasses any that you or I may have recieved.
Mike Leonard
[snipped] out of need to be free from the rhetoric
silverback
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Same thing as alt.houston.general. Maybe you should check out the full
>thread before jumping in, with both your left feet, or do you agree lies
>should be spread over the graves of the dead?
then why didn't you remove houston general. No one here wants to hhear
what your whining anyway buzzard bait.
>
>Mike Leonard
>
><rose...@idt.net> wrote in message news:384c9e13...@news.idt.net...
>> "Mike Leonard" <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This from somewhere out of LEFT field I pressume.
>> >
>> >What does clinton have to do with this paticular thread anyway?
>> >
>> >Keep your tripe, left or right, over there in *.politics where it
>belongs.
>>
>> What the fuck do you "think" the "politics" in Alt.
>Politics.usa.republican
>> stands for?
>>
>>
>
>
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"silverback" <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:13:06 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Same thing as alt.houston.general. Maybe you should check out the full
> >thread before jumping in, with both your left feet, or do you agree lies
> >should be spread over the graves of the dead?
>
> then why didn't you remove houston general. No one here wants to hhear
> what your whining anyway buzzard bait.
it before replying to this thread? Must have touched a nerve over on the
left side huh?
Logan Villa
news:3854a280...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:34:06 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
> wrote:
>
> ><Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
> >news:384eac2d...@news.mindspring.com...> >> ><Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3857c22c...@news.mindspring.com...
> >> >> On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:39:06 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> Militaristic yuppies.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Well, what % of the student population is made up of the military
> >cadets?
> >> >It
> >> >> >may have been 100% back 50 or more years ago but currently I
believe
> >it's
> >> >> >only a small number. The Aggie's that I meet tend to be a lot less
> >self
> >> >> >impressed than many from other schools yet they still appear very
> >> >> >intelligent on average. Another writer in the thread contends that
> >your
> >> >> >vendetta against them stems from your losing an argument to an
Aggie.
> >Is
> >> >> >that true or is there another reason you hate them?
> >> >>
> >> >> So I hate Aggies for pointing out that they tend to be conservative?
> >> >
> >> >You attacked them with glee and provided a link to an editorial
cartoon
> >that
> >> >even the source of which has apologized for. So what if they tend to
be
> >> >conservative. Does your life revolve around such definitions?
> >>
> >> Does yours?
> >
> >No, which is why I'm so curious as to why yours does.
>
> Where did you prove it did?
You never asked me to. It's my personal observation though.
> >> >> Have you ever been to College Station, Texas?
> >> >
> >> >A long, long time ago.
> >>
> >> I hasn't changed much.
> >
> >Apparently, their building a library has irked you something fierce.
>
> And I hear some of the books have not even been colored in.
If that's the best insult you can toss at them, no wonder they showed you
up.
> >> That's why they call them reactionaries.
> >
> >I haven't heard anyone call them that except yourself.
>
> If you hang out with other reactionaries you will be the last to know.
When I start to hang out with any, if ever, I'll remember your sage advice.
> >> >> Do you know where the GOP shrine to George "The Wimp" H.W. Bush is
> >> >> located?
> >> >
> >> >No
> >>
> >> College Station, Texas.
> >
> >I thought you meant exactly where in C.S. I remember the announcements
> >awhile back regarding the library. Every paper in the country probably
ran
> >the story.
>
> Oh that George H. W. Bush Library????
>
> Is that your snappy comeback?
No, just a clarification. I wasn't trying to impress a troll. LV
cyeager
a one bit of information or education from you.
Not that you are stupid. You are not. Just misguided....
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<Volt...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:21:00 -0600, Blacount
> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:36:20 -0600, Blacount
> >> <sim...@NOSPAMev1.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >The private university I went to in the Midwest had no school
spirit
> >> >> >at all. The education was quite good, but nobody seemed to be real
> >> >> >pleased to be there. That was the 1970s, however, when blasé was
the
> >> >> >fashion.
> >> >>
> >> >> So the important part of attending college is "school spirit" and
not
> >> >> getting a good education?
> >>
> >> >The important part of college is getting a good education while making
good friends and
> >> >business contacts. One of the best ways is by "school spirit" that
remains long after
> >> >people graduate.
> >>
> >> So you are willing to sacrifice 12 people to your "school spirit"
> >> Gawd?
> >>
> >> No. Seriously. . . . .You are kidding aren't you?
> >
> >Willing to? No. Accept death as a part of life? Sure.
>
> You are willing to accept 12 people being killed to build a bonfire to
> get fired up for a football game?
>
> >Would it matter how they died? Bus accident? Plane Crash?
>
> Does Texas A & M have a tradition of students building buses, trains
> or planes?
>
> >If they were going to a "school spirit" ceremony you'd say that was the
cause. The reason
> >those 12 died was from injuries received when a stack of logs fell. An
accident that is
> >still under investigation and a tragedy. Yet you profess to call all
Aggies drunk and their
> >traditions stupid. And you have the gall to shake a finger at me?
>
> Guess which finger?
>
> Store the strawman.
>
> I showed you that 2 of the dead had been drinking in violation of
> bonfire rules when you denied such a thing had happened.
>
> I then showed you that a student was running a crane in violation of
> bonfire rules when you denied such a thing had happened..
>
> >Your simply incredulous. Go crawl back under your rock.
>
> I educate your dumb butt and I am at fault?
>
> Are those sour grapes up too high for you to reach, Balcount?
>
> You just don't like being schooled.
>
> But I do enjoy doing it.
>
> You know I do.
>
> Volt
>
> Ecrasons l'infame
>
> Join The War On Right Wing Ignorance:
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>
>
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> I grew from that initial position and clearly some are still stuck in it.
>
> --Steve Forbes on DubYa's refusal to own up to his
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>
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>
Zepp
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Zepp" <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:384dcb9f....@news.snowcrest.net...
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:47:07 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
>> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The question you asked, you answered, before you asked it. You shamed
>your
>> >parents by drinking and driving in high school. The painfully stupid
>part
>> >started when you foolishly stood beside Volt and his dumb remarks. Can
>you
>> >answer the questions posed to Volt? Where did it say the drunken
>students
>> >were actually preforming work on the bonfire?
>>
>> What were they doing in the stack if they weren't working on it?
>Again I ask were they actually preforming work on the bonfire? "In" can
>have many meanings when used in this context. In or under? Or, do you know
>which? I don't seem to recall any reports on body locations, as of this
>date, but you seem to follow Volt's thinking, so, which is it? Never mind
>let me guess your answer. And you say your teaching me.
Looks like you're so confused you don't even know who you're talking
to.
So you're saything that it all depends on what the meaning of "in" is.
I see. You know that most legitimate construction sites don't permit
the public to wander in and gawp, right? If Texas A&M was letting
drunk passersby stroll in like that, then their accreditation should
be challenged. No high school would behave with such reckless
disregard, and Aggies are dumber than your typical high schooler.
>
>> This
>> was a bonfire pile collapsing, you know, and not a nuclear accident.
>> The drunks didn't die because the wind was wrong, did they?
>Maybe, maybe not. You tell me since you have access to information ill
>afforded to us. Oh, yea, that line from we stick together through thick and
>thin. Believe Volt if you wish but please be a little more original with
>your trite comments.
>
>>
>> At least you backed away from that stupid remark that it was justified
>> because the kids loved it.
>In high school you loved getting drunk and tearing around in
>the mountains of Central California. If you would have been killed, at
>least people could say, you died doing what you loved to do, no matter how
>asinine that may sound. You shame your parents now by living as though you
>might have done something in the past to shame them. Following the comment
>made by Volt has just proven that you should feel your parents shame.
>
>These kids died doing something they had a passion for. Traditions will
>survive, kids will still learn, kids will still go to A&M, kids will want to
>be a part of a great traditions that A&M stands for, and kids will still get
>an education that far surpasses any that you or I may have recieved.
>
>Mike Leonard
>
>[snipped] out of need to be free from the rhetoric
>
>
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Zepp
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Yea, you know what they say bout them there roads scholars in Arkansas. If
>it looks like *, and feels like *, and taste like *, don't inhale cause it
>might be.
>Mike
I see phrases like "roads scholars" and I think to myself, "Zepp,
that's why this boy is so bent about the bonfire accident. He's an
AGGIE!"
>
>"Professor Vonroach" <vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:384f9eef...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com...
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:03:07 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
>> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Barbara use cloth or
>> >disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
>> >Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League
>school,
>> >oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education
>then
>> >anythings possible.
>> Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to escape
>> certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
>> >Mike Leonard
>> >
>> >"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>> >news:8D2E9A83CB0E382E.50400D91...@lp.airnews.net...
>> >> In article <82hsh5$5n0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>,
>jim...@pipeline.com
>> >wrote:
>> >> }On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>> >> }
>> >> }>How Dumb is George DubYa?
>> >> }>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
>> >> }
>> >> }1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
>> >> }senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
>> >> }set in.
>> >> }
>> >>
>> >> Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
>> >> him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
>> >> if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
>> >> Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
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Zepp
(Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:03:07 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
><mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Barbara use cloth or
>>disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
>>Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League school,
>>oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education then
>>anythings possible.
>Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to escape
>certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
Yeah. He could have been a beer run commando in the National Guard,
keeping Indiana safe, or an unqualified sky jockey for the Texas
National Guard, strafing Mexicans. That would have been OK then.
silverback
<mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"silverback" <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>news:384dd0ff...@news.spiritone.com...
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:13:06 GMT, "Mike Leonard"
>> <mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Same thing as alt.houston.general. Maybe you should check out the full
>> >thread before jumping in, with both your left feet, or do you agree lies
>> >should be spread over the graves of the dead?
>>
>> then why didn't you remove houston general. No one here wants to hhear
>> what your whining anyway buzzard bait.
>Spoken like a true champ. After the race was lost. Why didn't you remove
>it before replying to this thread? Must have touched a nerve over on the
>left side huh?
no the only nerve struck is from the whiner from houston.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>In article <szk7lis...@eris.io.com>,
> pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
>> Volt...@geocities.com writes:
>> >On Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:03:36 -0600, "Logan Villa" <log...@pdq.net>
>> >wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>I'm still wondering why you think they are militaristic yuppies considering
>>>>that yuppies don't, as a rule, join the military and that less than 5% of
>>>>the University are in their corp's. LV
>>>Like I said. You don't know Aggies.
>>You obviously don't know Aggies either, Mr. Kennemur. Perhaps if you intended
>>to actually discuss the issue you brought up, rather than continue your
>>futile attempt to get back at one former grad student there who assisted you
>>in making yourself look even more witless than usual...
>>--PLH, evidently, Jimbo didn't qualify for admission to my alma mater,
>>either, heh heh
>Hey, Humphey: Aggies aren't a part of the military. They just dress up
>that way for some strange reason and incur no military obligation.
Hey, Ruben -- when did I claim they _were_ part of the military? Maybe you
should actually read _before_ you start following up, eh?
>Sorry to burst your bubble.
I'm sorry you think you have a point.
>Can you explain why tax dollars were used to stage a flyover of f-18s
>over the memorial service ?
Can you explain why you're asking me to support a point I never made in the
first place, Ruben?
Maybe you should quit brown-nosing your master Kennemur so flagrantly.
--PLH, oh, well, looks like the Clueless Brigade are in full swing
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Holman) wrote:
>In article <82hsh5$5n0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, jim...@pipeline.com wrote:
>}On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>}
>}>How Dumb is George DubYa?
>}>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
>}
>}1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
>}senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
>}set in.
>}
>
> Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
> him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
> if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
> Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
>
>
No aggie joaks, please!
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
>
>>How Dumb is George DubYa?
>>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
>
>1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
>senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
>set in.
1200 represents one standard deviation above average. I.e., there are
tens of millions of adults better able to figure out what's what.
We need a mediocre President?
Not one of the other five Republicans debating did that poorly, I bet.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Nitin Paul Batra
Bush Connecticut roots run deep as well. Not just for college, but as
home.
Nitin Paul Batra
executive--would we suddenly entrust someone like this- mccain, gore,
bradley, buchanan, etc- for the entire Union?! That's mediocrity.
In Governor Bush's day, there was no scaling and your score was not
impacted by anyone else's. Tests had not been dumbified yet either-- a
1200 then definitely indicates very high intelligence. My university-
here since 1996- puts me at a 1560 because of our dumbified system, but
when I took the PSAT in 1992, it was 1170-- right before College Board
dumbified testing once again- as has been done many many times since the
Governor was a student. So 390 points difference in 4 years of College
Board bumbling. Dude, imagine 30-some years of CB bumbling since
Governor's day.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
<nba...@taurus.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
>> We need a mediocre President?
>A mediocre presidential candidate is one who has never even been a chief
>executive--would we suddenly entrust someone like this- mccain, gore,
>bradley, buchanan, etc- for the entire Union?! That's mediocrity.
No it isn't. Mediocre means not very good.
You can look it up.
>
>In Governor Bush's day, there was no scaling and your score was not
>impacted by anyone else's.
False. In his day, the scores were based on the results of a "base
group" given the test in the 1940's.
That is "scaled."
Very few students at Yale at that time had a total SAT score of only
1200. Mr. Bush appears to have been admitted under lowered standards
because of his father. Otherwise, he would have had not a prayer of
admission with such a mediocre level of intelligence.
> Tests had not been dumbified yet either-- a
>1200 then definitely indicates very high intelligence.
No, it does not. It was defined, based on that group of the 1940's, to
be one standard deviation above average for those considering college.
That score in 1963, when Bush took the test, was - not impressive. It
is fairly described as "mediocre."
(The change in the SATs which you refer to are NOT a
dummification" of the test, by the way, but instead reflect that now a
much larger percentage of our population attends college. Thus the
scores are PROPERLY adjusted to reflect the broader group covered).
My university-
>here since 1996- puts me at a 1560 because of our dumbified system, but
>when I took the PSAT in 1992, it was 1170-- right before College Board
>dumbified testing once again- as has been done many many times since the
>Governor was a student. So 390 points difference in 4 years of College
>Board bumbling. Dude, imagine 30-some years of CB bumbling since
>Governor's day.
Look - 1200, then and now, is not smart enough to be President.
Sorry.
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
Duane K. Kelly
>
> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:58:54 GMT, vonr...@popd.ix.netcom.com
> (Professor Vonroach) wrote:
>
> ><mleo...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Barbara use cloth or
> >>disposable diapers? Might make a difference with the conservationlist.
> >>Texas roots run so deep thay have actually permeated an Ivy League school,
> >>oh no. I guess if Arkansas can send a man to England for an education then
> >>anythings possible.
> >Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to escape
> >certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
>
> Yeah. He could have been a beer run commando in the National Guard,
> keeping Indiana safe, or an unqualified sky jockey for the Texas
> National Guard, strafing Mexicans. That would have been OK then.
Zepp demonstrates how to apply rule Rule #5 "Attack their source with
slander, and bear no rebuttal, just slander"
> >>Mike Leonard
> >>
> >>"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
> >>news:8D2E9A83CB0E382E.50400D91...@lp.airnews.net...
> >>> In article <82hsh5$5n0$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, jim...@pipeline.com
> >>wrote:
> >>> }On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:50:11 GMT, Volt...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>> }
> >>> }>How Dumb is George DubYa?
> >>> }>http://clusterone.home.mindspring.com/dubya_transcript.jpg
> >>> }
> >>> }1200 on the SAT. Steadily improving average, mostly B's by junior and
> >>> }senior year, at a top university, in a time before grade inflation had
> >>> }set in.
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> Aye, but what grades did he have that merited
> >>> him getting *in* to that top university? Besides,
> >>> if his Texas roots run so deep, why did he go to
> >>> Yale? Was A&M not good enough for him?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
> **********************************************************
> >Bush dodged a question about what he would do if the government
> >surplus grew at a slower rate than he projected in his $483 billion,
> >five-year tax plan.
> >
> >``I refuse to accept the premise that surpluses will decline if I were
> >president,'' Bush said.
> >
> Newsday, 12/6/99
>
> **********************************************************
> Not dead, in jail or a slave?
> Thank a liberal!
>
> Liberalism Resurgent, Steve's brilliant
> and well-documented page, is mirrored at
> the following locations:
>
> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo
> http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
> http://www.wtrt.net/~blarson/institute.htm
> http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo
> http://resurgent.virtualave.net
>
> Warning: Contains ideas
> ************************************************************
>
> Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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>My son just had his 14th birthday. I promosed him that if
>he kept his grades above a C that I would buy him a new
>deer rifle. He did and I am.
>
>I can't decide between a 30.30 winchester and an AK47.
>
>Both guns shoot bullets that are close in balistics.
>
>Any thoughts or opinions?
>
>Dan
Whatever you buy him, teach him how to aim it at his father.
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>Just like you enjoy children shooting their parents. We have no doubt.
Only in the case that you cited! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!
p.s., Do you have kids? Maybe I'll go for #2.
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Duane K. Kelly wrote in message <3834C888...@dev.null>...
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>Such a knee jerk is only expected from one that advocates children
>shooting their parents.
Only if they're your kids, Duane.
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Kurt Lochner
>
> Zepp wrote:> > >>Damn there goes that permanent record thing. Did Ba/../
> > >//
> > >Turns out `an education' was not the real reason. It was to
> > >escape certain responsibi8lities of American citizenship.
> >
> > Yeah. He could have been a beer run commando in the National Guard,
> > keeping Indiana safe, or an unqualified sky jockey for the Texas
> > National Guard, strafing Mexicans. That would have been OK then.
>
> Zepp demonstrates how to apply rule Rule #5 "Attack their source with
> slander, and bear no rebuttal, just slander"
Welp, when you consider that Reagan/Bush appointed personnel
turned in such amazing performances at Whacko and Rabid Ridge,
it's readily apparent why the "reich-wing" keeps trying to
blame President Clinton, irrationally it must be added, for
every single FUBAR by the "reich-wing" jack-booted thugs
have committed since their uber-furher, George Bush, Jr.
left office..
--And I don't suppose Nixon was any useful clue to you about this?