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Wikking

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About time. A genuine Christian perspective

(CNN) -- An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn
Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a
public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and
social justice.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive
Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged
Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic
justice.

Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.

Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call
to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy
with the Bible.

"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis
says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor
the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."

Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention
that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.

Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis
says.

"He's afraid of being challenged on his silly caricatures," Wallis
says. "Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue
with. Is he willing to talk with someone who he doesn't agree with?"

Beck did not answer numerous requests for an interview.

When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over
the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice

--The Rev. Jim Wallis
But a prominent evangelical leader says he, too, is suspicious of
churches that preach economic and social justice.

Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University, a Christian
college in Virginia, says Jesus wasn't interested in politics. He says
that those pastors who preach economic and social justice "are trying
to twist the gospel to say the gospel supported socialism."

"Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but
he never said that we should elect a government that would take money
from our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor," Falwell says.

Falwell says that Jesus believed that individuals, not governments,
should help the poor.

"If we all did as Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need
the government," says Falwell, the son of the late evangelical leader,
the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

What is economic and social justice?

The term "economic and social justice" is not easy to define. It has
different meanings for different people.

Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but
he never said that we should elect a government that would take money
of our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor

--Jerry Falwell Jr.
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Martin Luther King Jr.
For some Christians, practicing economic and social justice means that
churches should practice charity: setting up soup kitchens, assisting
victims of natural disasters, and helping people find jobs.

For other Christians, practicing economic and social justice also
means trying to change the conditions that cause people to be poor or
unemployed. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. subscribed to this
definition of biblical justice.

Marty Duren, a Southern Baptist Convention pastor, says some
conservative Christians have traditionally thought churches shouldn't
get involved in economic or social justice.

"For a long time, Southern Baptists and evangelicals were so focused
on the return of Christ that what was happening in the real world was
almost incidental," says Duren, who blogs at martyduren.com.

But within the last two decades, Duren says, more evangelical
Christians have come to believe that the Bible calls for economic and
social justice.

William Wilberforce, for example, is a 19th century British politician
who helped abolish the slave trade in his country. He is now regarded
as a hero for some evangelicals because he applied his faith to the
economic and social justice issues of his day, Duren says.

Did Jesus preach about social and economic justice?

The Bible cares about social and economic justice, Duren says.

"The Old Testament is replete with examples of God threatening to
judge a nation because of a lack of justice or carrying out that
threat of judgment against a nation,'' Duren says.

He believes Beck was wrong to tell Christians that they shouldn't
belong to churches that seek justice.

"If I had any authority at Fox News right now, Glenn Beck would be
seeking economic justice," Duren says.

The Rev. Jim Wallis is the president of Sojourners, a network of
Christians.That concern for justice is what helped convert him, says
Wallis, president of Sojourners. Wallis, who counts King as one of his
faith role models, says the Bible isn't just concerned with feeding
the poor -- it's concerned about the conditions that create the poor.

Wallis also evoked the Christians who fought against slavery as well
as civil rights activists.

"The Bible just didn't say take care of the victim -- it talks about
justice," says Wallis, who is the author of "Rediscovering Values: On
Wall Street, Main Street and Your Street."

Meanwhile, Wallis says he's waiting for that public debate with Beck.

"I'll have it," Wallis says, "anywhere he wants."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1
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Spineless Dems have the House, the Senate and the White House and keep
claiming their hands are tied. True enough, their corporate and union
sponsors seem to have have now made the US Congress so corrupt that
the last thing on their minds is the interest of the voters. Want
change? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

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"Wikking" <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Spineless Dems?

You want spineless?

Look at the Republicans marching lockstep like a bunch of sheep.

Not one of them thinks for himself....it's follow the leader all the way.

Wikking

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Yes but the thread header is really about the Evangelical boycott of
Glenn Beck.

Not Sure

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On Mar 12, 1:57 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> About time. A genuine Christian perspective

Considering disgraced Van Jones' boycott increased Beck's ratings by
30%, I'm starting to think Roger Ailes is engineering these things :)

Wikking

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Not Sure wrote:
> On Mar 12, 1:57 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> About time. A genuine Christian perspective
>
> Considering disgraced Van Jones' boycott increased Beck's ratings by
> 30%, I'm starting to think Roger Ailes is engineering these things :)

No-one engineers the loss of 120+ advertisers. Its something that
happens when you become hated. Beck is going to end up with a very
limited group of supporters in the end. The only question now is how
long Ailes will continue to buy him time with Fox money.

Alli...@trash.can

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It seems to be spreading rapidly, too. It seems most Christians were
unamused at Becks efforts to nominate himself as Defender of the Faith.

Wikking

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Beck is a sock puppet for guys like Murdoch and the Neocons. When the
Christians switch him off, so will Ailes.

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Don't count on it. These clowns aren't running businesses to make money;
they are running them to establish a fascist theocracy. That's why Moon
has dumped over $3 billion into the Washington Times, and why Rush
Limbaugh for years and years essentially gave away his show to any
station that would carry him.

Wikking

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That's true too, but a Christian backlash might come as a horrible
shock to those that have tried to hijack the message into an Old
Testament view that only focuses on abortion, stem cell research and
hatred of gays. Not only are those topics not mainstream Christian
thought but are man-made constructs for political gain only in many cases.

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Mar 13, 2010, 12:28:56 PM3/13/10
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There is a revolt against the far right going on in Christian circles.
Some are revolting on environmental grounds, arguing that as Christians,
they are stewards of the earth. Others simply didn't buy the notion that
Jesus was a supply-side GOPher. Even the Christian right is fragmented,
as it became clear that the GOP was just using them for cheap votes
during the Bush years.

Beck just broke it out in the open and gave all those fragmented
Christians a common cause.

Tater Gumfries

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On Mar 12, 4:27 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Sid9 wrote:

> > Not one of them thinks for himself....it's follow the leader all the way.
>
> Yes but the thread header is really about the Evangelical boycott of
> Glenn Beck.

Then why did you veer off?

Tater

Steve

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Loony leftists live is their fantasy land...

Sid9

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"Wikking" <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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The Democrats WILL pass a health care bill.

The evidence is in McConnell's statements that the Dems will rue the day
they pass it.

That's a change of tone, indicating Republicans have accepted the
inevitable.

Obama tried to hard to get the Republicans in. They rebuffed him at every
turn for political reasons.

He should have steamrollered them from the very start.

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:00:35 -0800, The China Blue Lagoon
<chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <jMWdna7qHJnFVgbW...@posted.carinet>,


> "5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>
>> Beck just broke it out in the open and gave all those fragmented
>> Christians a common cause.
>

>I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a
>terrible resolve.

I don't think so. Despite the antics of the religious right, most of
Christianity is not antipathetic to American constitutional values.

Sid9

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"5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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I've always believed that the politically active evangelicals of recent
years are not representative of most Christian Americans.

These people are radicals.

They cloak themselves in their faith and our flag.

I classify Falwell, Dobson, Kennedy, and Robertson as radicals

Wikking

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Mar 13, 2010, 7:49:34 PM3/13/10
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How did I veer off? You certainly edited the thread to make your own
assertion somewhat camouflaged.

Steve

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:59:58 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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>Not Sure wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 1:57 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> About time. A genuine Christian perspective
>>
>> Considering disgraced Van Jones' boycott increased Beck's ratings by
>> 30%, I'm starting to think Roger Ailes is engineering these things :)
>
>No-one engineers the loss of 120+ advertisers. Its something that
>happens when you become hated. Beck is going to end up with a very
>limited group of supporters in the end. The only question now is how
>long Ailes will continue to buy him time with Fox money.
>>

<LOL>> You loons should try looking out of your fantasyland...

Wikking

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The China Blue Lagoon wrote:
> In article <jMWdna7qHJnFVgbW...@posted.carinet>,
> "5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>
>> Beck just broke it out in the open and gave all those fragmented
>> Christians a common cause.
>
> I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a
> terrible resolve.
>
Indeed. Many, many Christians are talking about this and whether Glenn
Beck is simply a Mormon with Mormon views attacking mainstream
Christianity.

Wikking

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No, but the Neocons want them to be, and to only care about abortion,
stem cells and gays. The things that Christ spoke and taught about are
anathema to them.

Wikking

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Would Jesus have had a TV station and flown in a private jet?

Wikking

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So you are saying that Ailes cunningly engineered the loss of Beck's
advertisers to he could use Murdoch's own budget to fund him?
(and you call us loony...)

Steve

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:39:14 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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>Steve wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:59:58 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not Sure wrote:
>>>> On Mar 12, 1:57 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> About time. A genuine Christian perspective
>>>> Considering disgraced Van Jones' boycott increased Beck's ratings by
>>>> 30%, I'm starting to think Roger Ailes is engineering these things :)
>>> No-one engineers the loss of 120+ advertisers. Its something that
>>> happens when you become hated. Beck is going to end up with a very
>>> limited group of supporters in the end. The only question now is how
>>> long Ailes will continue to buy him time with Fox money.
>>>>
>>
>> <LOL>> You loons should try looking out of your fantasyland...
>
>So you are saying that Ailes cunningly engineered the loss of Beck's
>advertisers to he could use Murdoch's own budget to fund him?
>(and you call us loony...)

Beck has no trouble finding advertisers.. The Beck sponsor boycott
is only a fantasy...

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Wikking

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Only a 120+ fantasy. Expect more as the Christians get involved.

Wikking

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The China Blue Lagoon wrote:
> In article <hnhc6k$bks$5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> "5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:iivnp5tpdicadnhk9...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:00:35 -0800, The China Blue Lagoon
>>>> <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <jMWdna7qHJnFVgbW...@posted.carinet>,
>>>>> "5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beck just broke it out in the open and gave all those fragmented
>>>>>> Christians a common cause.
>>>>> I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
>>>>> with a
>>>>> terrible resolve.
>>>> I don't think so. Despite the antics of the religious right, most of
>>>> Christianity is not antipathetic to American constitutional values.
>>> .
>>> .
>>> I've always believed that the politically active evangelicals of recent
>>> years are not representative of most Christian Americans.
>>>
>>> These people are radicals.
>>>
>>> They cloak themselves in their faith and our flag.
>>>
>>> I classify Falwell, Dobson, Kennedy, and Robertson as radicals
>>>
>>>
>> Would Jesus have had a TV station and flown in a private jet?
>
> I don't why he chose such a backward time in such a strange land, because Israel
> in 4 BC had no mass comunnication. If he had come today, he could've reached a
> whole nation.
>

But He reached with just a few. A miracle in of itself. LOL.

Steve

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:37:51 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:39:14 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:59:58 -0500, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not Sure wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 1:57 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> About time. A genuine Christian perspective
>>>>>> Considering disgraced Van Jones' boycott increased Beck's ratings by
>>>>>> 30%, I'm starting to think Roger Ailes is engineering these things :)
>>>>> No-one engineers the loss of 120+ advertisers. Its something that
>>>>> happens when you become hated. Beck is going to end up with a very
>>>>> limited group of supporters in the end. The only question now is how
>>>>> long Ailes will continue to buy him time with Fox money.
>>>>>>
>>>> <LOL>> You loons should try looking out of your fantasyland...
>>> So you are saying that Ailes cunningly engineered the loss of Beck's
>>> advertisers to he could use Murdoch's own budget to fund him?
>>> (and you call us loony...)
>>
>> Beck has no trouble finding advertisers.. The Beck sponsor boycott
>> is only a fantasy...
>
>Only a 120+ fantasy. Expect more as the Christians get involved.

<LOL> More Fantasies.. What would lefterloons do without their
fantasies?

Wikking

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So how many advertisers have dropped being on the Beck show?

5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09

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Over a 100 now. In the UK, on Skye, it's gotten so bad they're running
the show without ads at all from time to time.

He isn't there because Murdoch is running a business: he's there because
Murdoch is willing to spend money on propaganda.

5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:05:48 -0800, The China Blue Lagoon wrote:

> In article <hnhc6k$bks$5...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>

>> Sid9 wrote:
>> >
>> > "5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>> > message news:iivnp5tpdicadnhk9...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:00:35 -0800, The China Blue Lagoon
>> >> <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <jMWdna7qHJnFVgbW...@posted.carinet>, "5393
>> >>> Dead, 526 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Beck just broke it out in the open and gave all those fragmented
>> >>>> Christians a common cause.
>> >>>
>> >>> I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him
>> >>> with a
>> >>> terrible resolve.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think so. Despite the antics of the religious right, most
>> >> of Christianity is not antipathetic to American constitutional
>> >> values.
>> > .
>> > .
>> > I've always believed that the politically active evangelicals of
>> > recent years are not representative of most Christian Americans.
>> >
>> > These people are radicals.
>> >
>> > They cloak themselves in their faith and our flag.
>> >
>> > I classify Falwell, Dobson, Kennedy, and Robertson as radicals
>> >
>> >
>> Would Jesus have had a TV station and flown in a private jet?
>

> I don't why he chose such a backward time in such a strange land,
> because Israel in 4 BC had no mass comunnication. If he had come today,
> he could've reached a whole nation.

And Beck would be thundering that he was a socialist and probably a
progressive.

Wikking

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Exactly!

Wikking

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The likes of Beck and Murdoch couldn't afford to have Him around.

5393 Dead, 526 since 1/20/09

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They would have had Alan Colmes or some other house liberal arguing that
he should be roped to the cross rather than nailed. Beck would be
arguing in favor of red-hot nails, and Bill O'Reilly would want him
crucified upside down.

Steve

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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:55:25 -0400, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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I have no idea.. I don't watch Beck much, but from what I see when I
see him is that he seems to always have plenty of sponsors. What I
also note is that it's only a few of you far lefterloons that even
mention it...

So go ahead and enjoy your fantasies..

Steve

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<LOL> Beck seems to have no problems attracting advertisers...

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Wikking

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So do tell, why is a non-Christian like yourself interested in how we
Christians deal with an alleged Christian, Glenn Beck? Or is it that
you have some sort of vested interest in him as some sort of puppeteer
for your interests instead of ours?

Steve

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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:17:15 -0400, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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I think it's pretty funny..

>Or is it that
>you have some sort of vested interest in him as some sort of puppeteer
>for your interests instead of ours?

He seems to be very good at making fools act even more foolish..

igor

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On Mar 14, 9:19 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:17:15 -0400, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Steve wrote:
> >> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:55:25 -0400, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Steve wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:37:51 -0500, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Steve wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:39:14 -0500, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Steve wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:59:58 -0500, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk>

Actually, he's a fool. A poor shot at Howard Beal whose character in
the 1976 movie Network (played by Peter Finch) said "I'm mad as Hell,
and I'm not taking it any more!".

And even Mr. Beck admits it. So, why shouldn't you?

Pretending that Glenn Beck is meaningful, is like pretending that
Howard Stern is a change agent.

They really don't matter. They just get the attention of people.


Beck is like what Malcolm McLaren did with the Sex Pistols.

When their single "God Save The Queen" was banned by the BBC, it sold
singles by the truck load.

The more outrageous, the better the promotion. Being banned or
insulting was the best promotional tool they ever had!

Beck knows that. So does Bill O'Reilly. So does Hal Turner.

ArmyOfDorkness

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Beck is a shock jock. Nothing more. The ignorant pinheads get all worked up
thinking he means what he says. Fools

igor

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On Mar 14, 11:01 pm, "ArmyOfDorkness" <DorkAsKni...@hotmail.com>
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> "igor" <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote in message

I like the "projecting". Apparently people like you and me mock
Glenn Beck because we fear him!

What ever happened to mocking someone because they're just a dip shit?

I hear that about Palin as well.

Alan Brown

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igor wrote

> I like the "projecting". Apparently people like you and me mock
> Glenn Beck because we fear him!
>
> What ever happened to mocking someone because they're just a dip shit?
>
> I hear that about Palin as well.
>

I make fun of Palin, Beck and Pee Wee Herman.

It's not like I fear them.

Tater Gumfries

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On Mar 13, 6:49 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Tater Gumfries wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 4:27 pm, Wikking <Wik.Ki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>> Not one of them thinks for himself....it's follow the leader all the way.
> >> Yes but the thread header is really about the Evangelical boycott of
> >> Glenn Beck.
>
> > Then why did you veer off?
>
> How did I veer off?

Tater mistook your sig line in your first reply to yourself as a new
reply. There didn't seem to be anything new but that.

Tater

Steve

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...and yet its you lefterfools fools can't stop talking about them....

Wikking

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So clearly you think Christians are funny fools and thats why you back
Glenn Beck?

Wikking

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Its kind of tough to do so when they are the equivalent of Josef
Goebbels for a non-Christian enterprise and seek to redefine what
Christians are.

Steve

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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:27:32 -0400, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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<ROTFLMAO> Case in point

Steve

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On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:31 -0400, Wikking <Wik.King!@yahoo.co.uk>
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<LOL> Illogical rants like yours (above) are highly entertaining
providing they come from people whose sanity is not my concern, as
they are in this instance

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> About time. A genuine Christian perspective
>
> (CNN) -- An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn
> Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a
> public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and
> social justice.
>
> The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive
> Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged
> Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic
> justice.
>
> Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.
>
> Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call
> to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy
> with the Bible.
>
> "He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis
> says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor
> the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."
>
> Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention
> that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.
>
> Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis
> says.
>
> "He's afraid of being challenged on his silly caricatures," Wallis
> says. "Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue
> with. Is he willing to talk with someone who he doesn't agree with?"
>
> Beck did not answer numerous requests for an interview.
>
> When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over
> the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice
>
> --The Rev. Jim Wallis
> But a prominent evangelical leader says he, too, is suspicious of
> churches that preach economic and social justice.
>
> Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University, a Christian
> college in Virginia, says Jesus wasn't interested in politics. He says
> that those pastors who preach economic and social justice "are trying
> to twist the gospel to say the gospel supported socialism."
>
> "Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but
> he never said that we should elect a government that would take money
> from our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor," Falwell says.
>
> Falwell says that Jesus believed that individuals, not governments,
> should help the poor.
>
> "If we all did as Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need
> the government," says Falwell, the son of the late evangelical leader,
> the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
>
> What is economic and social justice?
>
> The term "economic and social justice" is not easy to define. It has
> different meanings for different people.
>
> Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but
> he never said that we should elect a government that would take money
> of our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor
>
> --Jerry Falwell Jr.
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> For some Christians, practicing economic and social justice means that
> churches should practice charity: setting up soup kitchens, assisting
> victims of natural disasters, and helping people find jobs.
>
> For other Christians, practicing economic and social justice also
> means trying to change the conditions that cause people to be poor or
> unemployed. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. subscribed to this
> definition of biblical justice.
>
> Marty Duren, a Southern Baptist Convention pastor, says some
> conservative Christians have traditionally thought churches shouldn't
> get involved in economic or social justice.
>
> "For a long time, Southern Baptists and evangelicals were so focused
> on the return of Christ that what was happening in the real world was
> almost incidental," says Duren, who blogs at martyduren.com.
>
> But within the last two decades, Duren says, more evangelical
> Christians have come to believe that the Bible calls for economic and
> social justice.
>
> William Wilberforce, for example, is a 19th century British politician
> who helped abolish the slave trade in his country. He is now regarded
> as a hero for some evangelicals because he applied his faith to the
> economic and social justice issues of his day, Duren says.
>
> Did Jesus preach about social and economic justice?
>
> The Bible cares about social and economic justice, Duren says.
>
> "The Old Testament is replete with examples of God threatening to
> judge a nation because of a lack of justice or carrying out that
> threat of judgment against a nation,'' Duren says.
>
> He believes Beck was wrong to tell Christians that they shouldn't
> belong to churches that seek justice.
>
> "If I had any authority at Fox News right now, Glenn Beck would be
> seeking economic justice," Duren says.
>
> The Rev. Jim Wallis is the president of Sojourners, a network of
> Christians.That concern for justice is what helped convert him, says
> Wallis, president of Sojourners. Wallis, who counts King as one of his
> faith role models, says the Bible isn't just concerned with feeding
> the poor -- it's concerned about the conditions that create the poor.
>
> Wallis also evoked the Christians who fought against slavery as well
> as civil rights activists.
>
> "The Bible just didn't say take care of the victim -- it talks about
> justice," says Wallis, who is the author of "Rediscovering Values: On
> Wall Street, Main Street and Your Street."
>
> Meanwhile, Wallis says he's waiting for that public debate with Beck.
>
> "I'll have it," Wallis says, "anywhere he wants."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1
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