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Bradley K. Sherman

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Dec 28, 2021, 4:12:50 PM12/28/21
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>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

|
| Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
| Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win
|
| "It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did
| exactly what was expected of them..."
| ...
<https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-peter-navarro-lays-out-how-he-and-steve-bannon-planned-to-overturn-bidens-electoral-win>

--bks

Kurt Nicklas

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Dec 29, 2021, 2:06:50 PM12/29/21
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> <https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-advisor-peter-navarro-lays-out-how-he-
and-steve-bannon-planned-to-overturn-bidens-electoral-win>
>
> --bks
>

Let's hope they are tried and convicted for treason. Seeing Bannon and
Navarro killed would be fun!

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 2, 2022, 4:09:02 PM1/2/22
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>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win

|
| On ABC, Liz Cheney [R-WY] says Jan 6 committee has
| first-hand testimony that Trump watched assault on the
| Capitol on TV & resisted pleas from McCarthy & Ivanka
| asking he call for a stop to the violence.
|
| Cheney adds that she thinks Trump returning to office could
| be the end of democracy
|
| [ABC Video at URL]
|
<https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1477683609288986629>

--bks

Blue Lives Matter

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Jan 2, 2022, 4:45:47 PM1/2/22
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 21:09:00 -0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.
>
>> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
>> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win
>
> |
> | On ABC, Liz Cheney [R-WY] says Jan 6 committee has
> | first-hand testimony that Trump watched assault on the
> | Capitol on TV & resisted pleas from McCarthy & Ivanka
> | asking he call for a stop to the violence.

<LOL> I watched it, too, and I didn't call for a stop...

> | Cheney adds that she thinks Trump returning to office could
> | be the end of democracy

<chuckle>

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 2, 2022, 6:21:39 PM1/2/22
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>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
>> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win

|
| The Republican Party has to make a choice.
|
| We can either be loyal to our Constitution or loyal to
| Donald Trump, but we cannot be both.
|
<https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1477723817200041988>
(Liz Cheney R-WY)

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 3, 2022, 8:24:51 AM1/3/22
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>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
>>> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win

> | We can either be loyal to our Constitution or loyal to
> | Donald Trump, but we cannot be both.
> |
><https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1477723817200041988>

|
| Let's not forget the 147 Republican members of
| Congress--including Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, and
| Elise Stefanik--who voted later on January 6 to overturn
| the election results, based on no facts and no legal
| argument. Do they today stand by that vote?
| ...
<https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1477815857522827266>

--bks

BeamMeUpScotty

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Jan 3, 2022, 8:36:34 AM1/3/22
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Didn't they vote to NOT confirm that certification... which simply meant
they were NOT agreeing with the FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS, because there
were questions about how they got those numbers.


NOTHING was being undone, the process required them to vote to confirm
it or NOT and they chose to follow the facts that showed that there were
enough votes in question to NOT confirm the election certifications.

All it would have done was to cause the votes to be confirmed to their
satisfaction which is why they are there voting on the election
confirmation, it wasn't a "special vote" it's necessary for the Republic
to function, because it's in the Constitution as their duty to vote yea
or nay.










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That's karma,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
*deriving their just* *powers from the consent* of the governed, — That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government,"

It would seem that *MANDATES* are NOT derived from the consent of the
governed. The Constitution doesn't delegate unlimited power to mandate
the governed, become part of a medical experiment.

"This is the classic definition of a “cult,” when facts and real science
are tossed aside for beliefs that contradict the actual facts."

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 3, 2022, 8:46:41 AM1/3/22
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BeamMeUpScotty <NOT-...@idiocracy.gov> wrote:
>On 1/3/22 8:24 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.
>>
>>>>> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
>>>>> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win
>>
>>> | We can either be loyal to our Constitution or loyal to
>>> | Donald Trump, but we cannot be both.
>>> |
>>> <https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1477723817200041988>
>>
>> |
>> | Let's not forget the 147 Republican members of
>> | Congress--including Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, and
>> | Elise Stefanik--who voted later on January 6 to overturn
>> | the election results, based on no facts and no legal
>> | argument. Do they today stand by that vote?
>> | ...
>> <https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1477815857522827266>
>>
>Didn't they vote to NOT confirm that certification... which simply meant
>they were NOT agreeing with the FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS, because there
>were questions about how they got those numbers.

There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
sedition all the way down.

--bks

BeamMeUpScotty

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Jan 3, 2022, 8:56:56 AM1/3/22
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On 1/3/22 8:24 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Didn't they vote to NOT confirm that certification... which simply meant
they were NOT agreeing with the FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS, because there
were questions about how they got those numbers.


NOTHING was being undone, the process required them to vote to confirm
it or NOT and they chose to follow the facts that showed that there were
enough votes in question to NOT confirm the election certifications.

All it would have done was to cause the votes to be confirmed to their
satisfaction which is why they are there voting on the election
confirmation, it wasn't a "special vote" it's necessary for the Republic
to function, because it's in the Constitution as their duty to vote yea
or nay.

The real question would be why Democrats were so positive there was no
election fraud or FAKE VOTES since they just spent 4 years decrying the
FAKE election results of TRUMP winning against Hillary... and they used
their FAKE dossier to try to overturn that election...

Yes there was sedition and incompetence, but it was by Democrats voting
to confirm the fake votes, without first doing their own due dillagence.

But that's OK because as it turns out the Democrats shot themselves in
the foot with that bit of theater. Using the FAKE votes and the FRAUD
to install Joe Biden in a Coup D`etat will destroy the Democratic Party.

If you vote for a Marxist-Demauxcrat you'll be signing your own death
warrant "literally" when you sign to register as a Democrat you're
helping the Totalitarians to force death shots and lock downs and travel
vaccine passports and job firings, that will cause more deaths than the
actual virus itself.

People will be dying of NOT just the forced vaccine and lack of other
medical care, but airlines pilots and truck drivers will be having
strokes and heart failure while operating the death traps they move from
point A to point B and then there are the less qualified nurses and
airline mechanics doing the work and inspections.

Yep you're killing your self when you vote Democrat and here I am doing
just fine without following any of it or flying or needing to go on
their airlines or get their injections and I have yet to die from any of it.

Which means the Democrats won't be winning any serious elections for a
long long time, if ever. They may have destroyed the entire
Marxist-Demauxcrat political machine.

Ubiquitous

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Jan 3, 2022, 9:09:10 AM1/3/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

Trump's a laughing stock worldwide now that everyone knows he was slow witted
enough to be the first to let an election be stolen from him. No wonder his
closest advisor for 4 years was one of Putin's KGB goons.


Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 3, 2022, 1:38:12 PM1/3/22
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>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>>> | Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon
>>>> | Planned to Overturn Biden's Electoral Win

>> | We can either be loyal to our Constitution or loyal to
>> | Donald Trump, but we cannot be both.

> | Let's not forget the 147 Republican members of
> | Congress--including Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, and
> | Elise Stefanik--who voted later on January 6 to overturn
> | the election results, based on no facts and no legal
> | argument. Do they today stand by that vote?

|
| While America was preoccupied last week with getting home
| from the holidays or lining up around the block for
| COVID-19 testing, there was a bombshell development in the
| investigation to learn just how far Donald Trump was
| prepared to go in turning the Capitol Hill chaos of the
| Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection into a coup to end U.S.
| democracy.
|
| Thanks to a somewhat surprising source -- the disgraced
| former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik, a Team
| Trump insider -- we now know the name of a document with
| the potential to become a "smoking gun." Just its title
| suggests Trump was planning an unprecedented abuse of
| presidential power -- to use the Big Lie of nonexistent
| 2020 election fraud to undo the results of a free and fair
| vote.
| ...
<https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/trump-january-6-letter-insurrection-act-20220103.html>

--bks

Mitchell Holman

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Jan 3, 2022, 2:00:44 PM1/3/22
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b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote in
news:sqvfqh$kaa$2...@reader1.panix.com:
Can you imagine the shitstorm if Jimmy
Carter told HIS vice president to not certify
the ballot counts of the 1980 election and
order he be re-elected?



Yak

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Jan 3, 2022, 2:17:32 PM1/3/22
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Seeing as how it was a 91% to 9% electoral vote landslide I'm pretty
sure the 'shitstorm' would have been disguised as resounding laughter.

Ubiquitous

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Jan 6, 2022, 2:01:41 PM1/6/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

Kurt Nicklas

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Jan 10, 2022, 5:54:19 PM1/10/22
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Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 13, 2022, 8:09:29 AM1/13/22
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>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| In the weeks after the 2020 election, then-President Donald
| Trump's allies sent fake certificates to the National
| Archives declaring that Trump won seven states that he
| actually lost. The documents had no impact on the outcome
| of the election, but they are yet another example of how
| Team Trump tried to subvert the Electoral College -- a key
| line of inquiry for the January 6 committee.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/politics/trump-overturn-2020-election-fake-electoral-college/index.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 13, 2022, 9:12:56 AM1/13/22
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| Mark Meadows, former chief of staff to Donald Trump,
| allegedly worked on creating a fake electoral college
| following the 2020 presidential election. That's according
| to a contempt report released Sunday night by the House of
| Representatives panel investigating the January 6 Capitol
| riot.
| ...
<https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-trump-fake-electoral-college-january-6-committee-panel-report-1658634>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:54:46 PM1/13/22
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| Oath Keepers leader, 10 others charged with 'seditious
| conspiracy' in Jan. 6 Capitol attack
| ...
<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/oath-keeper-leader-10-others-charged-seditious-conspiracy-jan-6-n1287434>

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Jan 13, 2022, 4:59:54 PM1/13/22
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20 year max sentence, *double* the max for insurrection. He needs all 20.

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 15, 2022, 11:09:54 AM1/15/22
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>>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

> | In the weeks after the 2020 election, then-President Donald
> | Trump's allies sent fake certificates to the National
> | Archives declaring that Trump won seven states that he
> | actually lost. The documents had no impact on the outcome
> | of the election, but they are yet another example of how
> | Team Trump tried to subvert the Electoral College -- a key
> | line of inquiry for the January 6 committee.

|
| Why the 7 forged certifications matter: Eastman memo:
| "Pence...announces because of the ongoing disputes...there
| are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in
| those States...[So] there are 232 votes for Trump, 222
| votes for Biden. Pence then gavels Trump re-elected."
| ...
<https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1482163288762994688>

--bks

Ubiquitous

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Jan 15, 2022, 8:45:02 PM1/15/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

NoBody

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Jan 16, 2022, 10:28:55 AM1/16/22
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Now you're citing Twitter? The desperation is strong in this one...

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 16, 2022, 10:37:33 AM1/16/22
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Kremlin Girl <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ...
>Now you're citing Twitter?
> ...

Unlike you, conservative icon Bill Kristol posts under
his own name. What are you afraid of, comrade?

--bks

Blake Symington

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Jan 16, 2022, 11:37:50 AM1/16/22
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No, you stupid fucking retarded garden slug. He's citing Bill Kristol, a
conservative. Kristol published his comments in Twitter.

You are just the goddamnedest fucking retard ever.

Rudy Canoza

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Jan 16, 2022, 11:38:42 AM1/16/22
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Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness has completely lost it.

Mitchell Holman

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Jan 16, 2022, 1:44:59 PM1/16/22
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Blake Symington <b...@nyu.edu> wrote in
news:vRXEJ.158086$lz3....@fx34.iad:
Funny how many people reach that conclusion after
dealing with "Nobody" for a very short while........







Rudy Canoza

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:03:28 PM1/16/22
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I first encountered the aptly named NoBody (Bit of Nothingness) in 2017, right
after the Orange Fat Fuck's inauguration. It was over Trump's removal of the
MLK bust from the Oval Office. (I remain convinced that the bust *was* removed,
then only put back after the uproar. Removing it is just far too much in
character for Trump and Bannon.) I'm kind of surprised I hadn't noticed her
before, because when I went looking for her prior posts, I found them stretching
back many years.

She really is a complete retard. She's another reactionary tribalist like
Hartung, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, BlueGirl and Gak. She actually did me a favor
by kill-filing me (which I get around frequently, and no, she does not spot me
right away when I do it). She is a less-than-zero.

NoBody

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Jan 17, 2022, 6:21:42 AM1/17/22
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Evasion noted. Also if you won't support your claim that you've been
posting on the Internet for over 20 years, why would I believe that
you post under your own name?

Braxton Spengler

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Jan 17, 2022, 11:05:32 AM1/17/22
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What fucking evasion? You said he was "citing Twitter." He wasn't. He was
citing Bill Kristol.

> Also if you won't support your claim that you've been
> posting on the Internet for over 20 years,

Fuck off, you miserable little mackerel-reeking cunt.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/c/-OSizlCXkYc/m/yY8XnLDkLrQJ

He has been posting here under his real name for over 20 years. This is
settled, and you're a filthy little mackerel-reeking cunt.

NoBody

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Jan 18, 2022, 6:15:34 AM1/18/22
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And Bradley has run away again.

Ubiquitous

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Jan 22, 2022, 9:40:47 PM1/22/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

Ubiquitous

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Jan 27, 2022, 9:09:34 PM1/27/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

Ubiquitous

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Jan 29, 2022, 10:34:14 PM1/29/22
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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

> There were no "FAKE ELECTION NUMBERS", Russian troll. It's
> sedition all the way down.
>
> --bks
>
>

Bradley K. Sherman

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Jan 31, 2022, 9:06:41 AM1/31/22
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.
>
>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

> | Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized
> | voting machines
> |
> | The Jan. 6 select panel has obtained the draft order and a
> | document titled "Remarks on National Healing." Both are
> | reported here in detail for the first time.

Boss Oranguan admits that he wanted Pence to overturn the election:
<https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1487966555011010565>

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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Jan 31, 2022, 10:29:48 AM1/31/22
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It's worth repeating:

“He could have overturned the election.” This is an admission, and a
massively un-American statement. It is time for every Republican leader to
pick a side… Trump or the Constitution, there is no middle on defending our
nation anymore.

Adam Kinzinger, patriot

Bradley K. Sherman

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Feb 2, 2022, 7:32:02 AM2/2/22
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

>> | Read the never-issued Trump order that would have seized
>> | voting machines

>Boss Oranguan admits that he wanted Pence to overturn the election:

|
| Trump's Words, and Deeds, Reveal Depths of His Drive to
| Retain Power
|
| Donald Trump said he wanted Mike Pence to overturn the
| election, dangled pardons for Jan. 6 rioters and called for
| protests against prosecutors. Now, it turns out, he had
| discussed having national security agencies seize voting
| machines.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/us/politics/trump-election-jan-6-voting-machines.html>

--bks

Kurt Nicklas

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Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| Former [Republican] New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie did not
| hold back Sunday in his criticism of how former President
| Donald Trump has sought to depict the deadly attack against
| the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
|
| "Let's face it. Let's call it what it is. Jan. 6 was a riot
| that was incited by Donald Trump in an effort to intimidate
| Mike Pence and the Congress into doing exactly what he said
| in his own words last week: Overturn the election,"
| Christie said on ABC's "This Week."
| ...
<https://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-trump-pence-jan-6-152703059.html>

--bks

Kurt Nicklas

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Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.
>
>>>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

Yow! Yow! "Overseeing election issues":
|
| A top deputy overseeing election issues for Virginia's new
| Republican attorney general resigned Thursday after The
| Washington Post questioned the office about Facebook posts
| she had made praising Jan. 6, 2021, rioters and falsely
| claiming Donald Trump won the 2020 election.
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/10/facebook-jan-6-virginia-attorney-general-miles/>

--bks

Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| Civil lawsuits seeking to hold Donald Trump accountable for
| the January 6 insurrection can move forward in court, and
| the ex-President doesn't have absolute immunity from
| litigation, a federal judge ruled Friday.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/trump-giuliani-swalwell-january-6-lawsuit/index.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| As Russia prepared to strike Ukraine and the United States
| rushed to defend neighboring allies in Europe, former
| President Donald J. Trump had nothing but admiration for
| President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.
| ...
| Historians called the remarks unprecedented. "The idea that
| a former president would praise the man or leadership who
| American troops are even now traveling to confront and
| contain," said Jeffrey Engel, a presidential historian at
| Southern Methodist University in Dallas, "is astounding."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/world/europe/trump-putin-russia-ukraine.html>

--bks

Blue Lives Matter

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NY Times? <yawn>

Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>>>>>> | The Justice Department's top leaders listened in stunned
>>>>>>>>>>> | silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had
>>>>>>>>>>> | devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust
>>>>>>>>>>> | Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the
>>>>>>>>>>> | department's power to force Georgia state lawmakers to
>>>>>>>>>>> | overturn its presidential election results.

>>>>> | More than 1,000 Americans in positions of public trust
>>>>> | acted as accomplices in Donald Trump's attempt to overturn
>>>>> | the 2020 election result, participating in the violent
>>>>> | insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January or spreading
>>>>> | the "big lie" that the vote count had been rigged.

|
| The House Select Committee investigating the Capitol riots
| has revealed that former President Donald Trump had
| "multiple phone calls" on January 6th, 2021 with an
| attorney who had pushed the United States Department of
| Justice to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
| ...
<https://www.rawstory.com/trump-coup-2656820484/>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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|
| First Jan. 6 defendant pleads guilty to seditious
| conspiracy in Capitol attack
|
| Joshua James admits to helping lead a group of Oath Keepers
| that is accused of organizing rioters to disrupt Congress
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/02/jan6-seditious-conspiracy-guilty-plea/>

--bks

See Subject line.

Bradley K. Sherman

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> | First Jan. 6 defendant pleads guilty to seditious
> | conspiracy in Capitol attack

|
| Former President Donald Trump and a right-wing lawyer were
| part of a "criminal conspiracy" to overturn the 2020
| presidential election, the House select committee
| investigating the January 6 Capitol riot alleges in a court
| filing Wednesday.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/trump-criminal-conspiracy-defraud-january-6-committee/index.html>

The filing:
<https://january6th.house.gov/sites/democrats.january6th.house.gov/files/2022.03.02%20%28ECF%20160%29%20Opposition%20to%20Plaintiff%27s%20Privilege%20Claims%20%28Redacted%29.pdf>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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> | Former President Donald Trump and a right-wing lawyer were
> | part of a "criminal conspiracy" to overturn the 2020
> | presidential election, the House select committee
> | investigating the January 6 Capitol riot alleges in a court
> | filing Wednesday.

|
| Former attorney general William P. Barr said in an
| interview broadcast Friday that he believes that former
| president Donald Trump is "responsible in the broad sense
| of that word" for what transpired at the Capitol on Jan. 6,
| 2021, when a violent mob interrupted Congress's count of
| electoral college votes.
|
| "I do think he was responsible in the broad sense of that
| word in that it appears that part of the plan was to send
| this group up to the Hill," Barr said in an interview with
| NBC News. "I think the whole idea was to intimidate
| Congress, and I think that that was wrong."
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/04/barr-says-trump-was-responsible-broad-sense-jan-6-riot/>

--bks

Rudy Canoza

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On 3/4/2022 9:01 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> | Former President Donald Trump and a right-wing lawyer were
>> | part of a "criminal conspiracy" to overturn the 2020
>> | presidential election, the House select committee
>> | investigating the January 6 Capitol riot alleges in a court
>> | filing Wednesday.
>
> |
> | Former attorney general William P. Barr said in an
> | interview broadcast Friday that he believes that former
> | president Donald Trump is "responsible in the broad sense
> | of that word" for what transpired at the Capitol on Jan. 6,
> | 2021, when a violent mob interrupted Congress's count of
> | electoral college votes.

Trump is responsible in a very *detailed* sense of the word, as well. Trump was
involved up to his fat face in the planning of the insurrection. That's why he
was so desperately trying to prevent White House notes, call logs, visitor logs
and more from being turned over to the House Select Committee. Those will show,
beyond doubt, that Trump was organizing and planning the insurrection from the
Oval Office.

Trump was *consumed* with *illegally* overturning the election from 11/03/2020
right up to 01/20/2021.

Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Kurt Nicklas

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Bradley K. Sherman

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|
| A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
| Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
| overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
| including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
| to defraud the United States.
| ...
| "The illegality of the plan was obvious," wrote Judge David
| O. Carter of the Central District of California. "Our
| nation was founded on the peaceful transition of power,
| epitomized by George Washington laying down his sword to
| make way for democratic elections. Ignoring this history,
| President Trump vigorously campaigned for the vice
| president to single-handedly determine the results of the
| 2020 election."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/us/politics/trump-election-crimes.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
> | to defraud the United States.

|
| Internal White House records from the day of the attack on
| the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select
| committee show a gap in President Donald Trump's phone logs
| of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when
| the building was being violently assaulted, according to
| documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>> | to defraud the United States.

> | Internal White House records from the day of the attack on
> | the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select
> | committee show a gap in President Donald Trump's phone logs
> | of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when
> | the building was being violently assaulted, according to
> | documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

|
| Just days before the US Capitol riot, White House officials
| started providing fewer details about then-President Donald
| Trump's calls and visits, the person in charge of compiling
| those activities for the official record told the House
| select committee investigating January 6, 2021, according
| to two sources with knowledge of the probe.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/politics/white-house-diarist-january-6-committee-interview/index.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>>> | to defraud the United States.

|
| Two days after the 2020 presidential election, as votes
| were still being tallied, Donald Trump's eldest son texted
| then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that "we have
| operational control" to ensure his father would get a
| second term, with Republican majorities in the US Senate
| and swing state legislatures, CNN has learned.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/politics/donald-trump-jr-meadows-text/index.html>

--bks

Blue Lives Matter

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<LOL> CNN?

Bradley K. Sherman

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Blue girl <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:

>>>>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>>>>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>>>>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>>>>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>>>>> | to defraud the United States.
>
>> | Two days after the 2020 presidential election, as votes
>> | were still being tallied, Donald Trump's eldest son texted
>> | then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that "we have
>> | operational control" to ensure his father would get a
>> | second term, with Republican majorities in the US Senate
>> | and swing state legislatures, CNN has learned.
>> | ...
>><https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/politics/donald-trump-jr-meadows-text/index.html>
>
><LOL> CNN?

|
| Text From Donald Trump Jr. Set Out Strategies to Fight
| Election Outcome
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-meadows-text-message.html>

--bks

Blue Lives Matter

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1: I don't pay to read propaganda.

2: Saying that you have "operational control" means nothing without
context

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>>>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>>>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>>>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>>>> | to defraud the United States.

|
| In the weeks between the 2020 election and the January 6
| attack on the US Capitol, almost 100 text messages from two
| staunch GOP allies of then-President Donald Trump reveal an
| aggressive attempt to lobby, encourage and eventually warn
| the White House over its efforts to overturn the election,
| according to messages obtained by the House select
| committee and reviewed by CNN.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/15/politics/mike-lee-chip-roy-text-messages-jan-6-mark-meadows-overturn-election/index.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>>>>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>>>>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>>>>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>>>>> | to defraud the United States.

|
| John Eastman revealed Friday in a court filing that he
| routinely communicated with Donald Trump either directly or
| through "six conduits" in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6
| insurrection.
|
| The filing shows Trump took a direct role in those efforts,
| describing "two hand-written notes from former President
| Trump about information that he thought might be useful for
| the anticipated litigation," which Eastman is looking to
| shield, and the attorney also said he spoke directly to the
| former president about legal challenges in states he lost.
| ...
<https://www.rawstory.com/john-eastman-trump/>

--bks

The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

Blue Lives Matter

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OMG, anticipated litigation.

NoBody

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Look at you: you have nothing positive to talk about regarding our
current failed president and have to fall back talking about a guy
who has not been in office for quite some time now.

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>>> | A federal judge ruled on Monday that former President
>>>>>>> | Donald J. Trump and a lawyer who advised him on how to
>>>>>>> | overturn the 2020 election most likely committed felonies,
>>>>>>> | including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring
>>>>>>> | to defraud the United States.

|
| It is now a public fact that Donald Trump and his cabal,
| including Republican members of Congress, attempted a coup
| on Jan. 6, 2021. This de facto conspiracy was
| sophisticated, multidimensional and nationwide in scale,
| and included what became a terrorist attack on the U.S.
| Capitol. We know that Donald Trump was aware of at least
| some details of this plot and was involved in its planning
| and execution.
|
| To deny these obvious facts is to either be a believer in
| the Big Lie and supporter of Trump and the Republican
| Party's war on American democracy or to be in an extreme
| state of willful denial. As a practical matter, it is much
| the same thing.
|
| Within a few weeks, the House select committee
| investigating the events of Jan. 6, 2021, will finally hold
| televised public hearings. Their primary task will be to
| explain to the American people how serious the events of
| that day actually were and to establish a case that Donald
| Trump and his co-conspirators should be punished for their
| crimes.
| ...
<https://www.rawstory.com/trump-coup-2657371279/>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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> | John Eastman revealed Friday in a court filing that he
> | routinely communicated with Donald Trump either directly or
> | through "six conduits" in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6
> | insurrection.

>The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

| ...
| But Eastman, unlike the clowns and cynics, actually drew up
| a road map for getting there, devoting real legal and
| constitutional knowledge to the goal of throwing the
| American presidential succession into crisis.
|
| In this, he embodied in the strongest form a tendency
| shared by others in his intellectual home base, the
| Claremont Institute -- a conservative institution with many
| mansions, but one known lately for its hospitality to the
| reactionary internet and its enthusiasm for a politics of
| crisis.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/opinion/john-eastman-claremont-trump.html>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

> | But Eastman, unlike the clowns and cynics, actually drew up
> | a road map for getting there, devoting real legal and
> | constitutional knowledge to the goal of throwing the
> | American presidential succession into crisis.

|
| Shortly after hundreds of rioters at the Capitol started
| chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" on Jan. 6, 2021, the White
| House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, left the dining room
| off the Oval Office, walked into his own office and told
| colleagues that President Donald J. Trump was complaining
| that the vice president was being whisked to safety.
|
| Mr. Meadows, according to an account provided to the House
| committee investigating Jan. 6, then told the colleagues
| that Mr. Trump had said something to the effect of, maybe
| Mr. Pence should be hanged.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/us/politics/trump-pence-jan-6.html>

--bks

NoBody

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May 26, 2022, 6:48:53 AM5/26/22
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The current administration is responsible for food shortages, massive
inflation, uncontrolled borders, riots in the streets and a recession
(shortly) and Bradley spends his whole time discussing "sedition".
"He" is beyond laughable.

NoBody

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NY times, "sources say" and Bradley - lying and distracting from our
current disasterous President - nothing new here.

Bradley K. Sherman

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>> | Mr. Meadows, according to an account provided to the House
>> | committee investigating Jan. 6, then told the colleagues
>> | that Mr. Trump had said something to the effect of, maybe
>> | Mr. Pence should be hanged.

| ...
| President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan to
| overturn the 2020 election and prevent the transition of
| presidential power.
|
| 1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread
| false and fraudulent information to the American public
| claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
|
| 2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the
| Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice
| would support his fake election claims.
|
| 3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President
| Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in
| violation of the US Constitution and the law.
|
| 4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election
| officials, and state legislators, to change election
| results.
|
| 5. President Trump's legal team and other Trump
| associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to
| create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to
| Congress and the National Archives.
|
| 6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob
| in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.
|
| 7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored
| multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate
| action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to
| leave the Capitol.
| ...
<https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/politics/jan-6-hearing-cheney-trump-overturn-election-plan/index.html>

--bks

Blue Lives Matter

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<LOL> CNN.. blah, blah, blah....

David Hartung

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Cheney is an idiot.

Bradley K. Sherman

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> ...
>Cheney is an idiot.

Devastating refutation!

--bks

Siri Cruise

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Jun 10, 2022, 9:43:43 AM6/10/22
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In article <t7vh5v$1go$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

> >Cheney is an idiot.
>
> Devastating refutation!

It's a good thing then republicans would never set him up in
public office.

--
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 10, 2022, 10:02:26 AM6/10/22
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principled, and a defender of the Constitution against attempts to destroy it by
Trump and the rest of the Republiscum/QAnon party.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/10/2022 6:22 AM, David Hartung wrote:
told the unvarnished truth in all seven points above. Trump did all of that,
and more, in an unethical, illegal attempt to stay in office following a free,
fair and clean election he lost. This is not in rational dispute.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/10/2022 6:32 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>>> | President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan to
>>> | overturn the 2020 election and prevent the transition of
>>> | presidential power.
>>> |
>>> | 1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread
>>> | false and fraudulent information to the American public
>>> | claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the
>>> | Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice
>>> | would support his fake election claims.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President
>>> | Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in
>>> | violation of the US Constitution and the law.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election
>>> | officials, and state legislators, to change election
>>> | results.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 5. President Trump's legal team and other Trump
>>> | associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to
>>> | create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to
>>> | Congress and the National Archives.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob
>>> | in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> |
>>> | 7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored
>>> | multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate
>>> | action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to
>>> | leave the Capitol.

True and not in rational dispute.

>>> | ...
>> ...
>> Cheney is an idiot.
>
> Devastating refutation!

Every one of Cheney's seven points above is irrefutable. Trump and his band of
criminals did every one of those. All seven are thoroughly documented in the
public record and in sworn testimony by witnesses who either were present or
were even participants.

Note that in his empty belch of a response, Hartung did *not* say that any of
Cheney's statements is false. He just doesn't like them, because they fully
establish Trump's criminality and assault on democracy, but Hartung *knows* that
all seven statements are true. Yes, the U.S. is a democracy, and peaceful
transitions of power from a losing president to the legitimate winner have been,
until Trump, a fundamental element of "our democracy." Add all the qualifiers
you want — "representative," "constitutional," etc. — but we are a democracy,
and Trump tried to destroy it.

It defies reason that the DoJ has not announced criminal charges against Trump,
Giuliani, Meadows and two to three dozen criminal Republiscum/QAnon members of
Congress.

Rudy Canoza

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On 6/10/2022 6:22 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> Cheney is an idiot. There: I farted and belched, and I feel better.

Exactly.

Mitchell Holman

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Jun 10, 2022, 2:11:58 PM6/10/22
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David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:vcydnSK1qJwd2D7_...@giganews.com:
Because she has departed from the
"Trump is right, always believe Trump"
Republican orthodoxy?





Matt Singer

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Jun 10, 2022, 2:17:23 PM6/10/22
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Because she has spoken the unvarnished truth about Trump and his criminal
conduct, and that makes Hartung miserable. Hartung has often lied in the last
18 months about not wanting Trump to run again, but we know he's lying. He
adores Trump, slobbers over him, and wants him to run again in 2024 and win. If
these true statements by Cheney about Trump's perfidy resonate with voters, it
will damage his chances, and that makes Hartung unhappy.

Hartung knows that all seven points are true.

NoBody

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Jun 11, 2022, 10:08:01 AM6/11/22
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CNN and Bradley - lying perfectly together.

NoBody

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Why use paragraphs when four words suffice?

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>> | John Eastman revealed Friday in a court filing that he
>>> | routinely communicated with Donald Trump either directly or
>>> | through "six conduits" in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6
>>> | insurrection.
>
>>>The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

|
| On the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, Representative Andy Biggs,
| Republican of Arizona, called his state's House speaker,
| Rusty Bowers, and asked him to overturn the results of the
| 2020 presidential election, Mr. Bowers testified on Tuesday.
|
| Later that day, Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of
| Wisconsin, sought to hand deliver fake electors from his
| state and from Michigan to Vice President Mike Pence, texts
| released by the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack
| showed. An aide to Mr. Pence, told of Mr. Johnson's
| intention, responded to an aide to the senator, "Don't give
| that to him."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/21/us/jan-6-hearing-trump>

--bks

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>> | John Eastman revealed Friday in a court filing that he
>>>> | routinely communicated with Donald Trump either directly or
>>>> | through "six conduits" in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6
>>>> | insurrection.
>>
>>>>The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

Guiliani was Trump's attorney at this point:
| ...
| Bowers also recalled Giuliani acknowledging at one point
| that he didn't yet have the evidence to back up the action
| he was asking for.
|
| "My recollection [is] he said, 'We've got lots of theories;
| we just don't have the evidence,'" Bowers said. "And I
| don't know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn't think
| through what he said. But both myself and others in my
| group -- the three in my group and my counsel -- both
| remembered that specifically."
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/21/fourth-january-6-hearing-takeaways/>

--bks

NoBody

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Jun 22, 2022, 7:05:26 AM6/22/22
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Nothing like hearsay testimony for alternate "facts".

Bradley K. Sherman

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Kremlin Girl <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:54:47 -0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K.
>Sherman) wrote:
> ...
>>Guiliani was Trump's attorney at this point:
>> | ...
>> | Bowers also recalled Giuliani acknowledging at one point
>> | that he didn't yet have the evidence to back up the action
>> | he was asking for.
>> |
>> | "My recollection [is] he said, 'We've got lots of theories;
>> | we just don't have the evidence,'" Bowers said. "And I
>> | don't know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn't think
>> | through what he said. But both myself and others in my
>> | group -- the three in my group and my counsel -- both
>> | remembered that specifically."
>> | ...
>><https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/21/fourth-january-6-hearing-takeaways/>
>
>Nothing like hearsay testimony for alternate "facts".

It's not hearsay, Kremlin Girl. Bowers is testifying
to what *he* heard. And testifying **under oath**.

--bks

Siri Cruise

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Jun 22, 2022, 9:30:08 AM6/22/22
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In article <t8v0hi$rav$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Hearsay is admissible under some circumstances. It's a matter of
how you cross examine.

Blue Lives Matter

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Jun 22, 2022, 2:43:43 PM6/22/22
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:05:06 -0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K.
<LOL> That's what "hearsay" is, Dummy.

Rudy Canoza

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No, BlueGirl, you stupid does-as-you're-told sheep, it isn't.

If Bowers says "Giuliani told *me* 'We've got lots of theories, but no
evidence'", that's not hearsay. If Bowers says, 'Giuliani said 'We've got lots
of theories, but no evidence.' Rep. Brenda Barton (R) told me he said it,"
that's hearsay.

In the first case, Bowers is testifying to what he *directly* witnessed (heard
Giuliani say). In the second, Bowers doesn't know if Giuliani said it or not;
he only knows that someone else said he said it. The first is not hearsay; the
second is.

You and Kremlin Girl are fucking morons, BlueGirl.

--
BlueGirl is afraid of Rudy

NoBody

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Jun 23, 2022, 6:58:43 AM6/23/22
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 06:30:05 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <t8v0hi$rav$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>> >Nothing like hearsay testimony for alternate "facts".
>>
>> It's not hearsay, Kremlin Girl. Bowers is testifying
>> to what *he* heard. And testifying **under oath**.
>
>Hearsay is admissible under some circumstances. It's a matter of
>how you cross examine.

And since all the Republicans that would ask difficult questions were
removed from the committee, it shows what a show trial this really is.

NoBody

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Jun 23, 2022, 7:00:59 AM6/23/22
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Bradley always denies facts and reality.

governo...@gmail.com

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Jun 23, 2022, 8:04:20 AM6/23/22
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Republican lie.

GOP house members declined to take part.

Nevertheless, the committee has discovered many facts and one of them
is that the insurrection on Jan 6 was inspired and abetted by the
outgoing President.

Swill
--
Fostergate, CattleFuturesgate, Travelgate,
Filegate, Troopergate, Whitewater, BenghaziGate,
EmailGate, Uraniumgate - the list of GOP manufactured "scandals"
involving Hillary that have never amounted to
anything goes back for decades. The rightwing fear
of her just goes on and on............
- On "Hillarygate" from Usenet poster

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 23, 2022, 10:28:57 AM6/23/22
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*By the Republiscum/QAnon leadership*

A Year Later, Some Republicans Second-Guess Boycotting the Jan. 6 Panel

The decision by Representative Kevin McCarthy not to appoint Republicans to
the committee has given Democrats the chance to set out an uninterrupted
narrative.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/us/politics/jan-6-committee-republicans.html


Stupid fucking childish assholes are getting what they deserve.

Rudy Canoza

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Jun 23, 2022, 10:32:04 AM6/23/22
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It's not "hearsay," Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness. Hearsay is when someone
testifies to what *someone else* heard, and that someone else is not present to
be questioned.

You ignorant fucks have never understood this and never will.

Bradley K. Sherman

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>>>>>> | John Eastman revealed Friday in a court filing that he
>>>>>> | routinely communicated with Donald Trump either directly or
>>>>>> | through "six conduits" in the weeks ahead of the Jan. 6
>>>>>> | insurrection.
>>>>
>>>>>>The Claremont Institute is the nexus of American fascism.

|
| Federal Agents Seized Phone of John Eastman, Key Figure in
| Jan. 6 Plan
|
| The action suggests that the criminal inquiry is
| accelerating into the efforts to help overturn the results
| of the 2020 election.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/27/us/politics/john-eastman-jan-6.html>

--bks
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