Report: U.S. defenses easily penetrated by al Qaeda double agents, at home and abroad
Uh-huh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/bomber-at-cia-base-in-afg_n_410996.html
Watch your back. They're all around you...
Curt
> They are able to "walk right in and set right down."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/bomber-at-cia-base-in-afg_n_...
> Watch your back. They're all around you...
Get out. Meet your neighbors. Say hi to the guy on the next seat on
the plane. Be willing to jump in if someone lights up a bomb. What's
more to do?
Curt
Channel Cast
SCAN!
Sancho Panza
"Channel Cast" <s...@i.mud> wrote in message
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Profile.
Curt
Indeed -- agreed.
Curt
Curt
Sancho Panza
"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It should start with cash-paying one-way customers without luggage,
especially those who refuse to give emergency contacts.
gb
<thylacole...@comcast.net> wrote:
>They are able to "walk right in and set right down."
We've created ourselves yet another problem.
We discharged a bunch of speakers of Middle Eastern languages for
various reasons, which left us trying to co-opt some Middle Easterners
to act on our behalf.
These "double agents" had their own agenda.
One, supplied by Our Friends the Jordanians, as a double agent, was
presented to us. Interesting fellow -- medical doctor, in fact.
He bided his time, waited until the kill ratio was optimal and blew
himself up, taking several CIA agents with him in the process.
However else anyone wishes to see it, that's Smart asymmetrical
warfare!
We got played.
gb
>We got played.
And in a report today, further explanation of How we got played:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/05/afghanistan.intel.report/
...U.S. military intelligence officers in Afghanistan spend too much
time focusing on enemy groups and tactics and not enough on trying to
understand Afghanistan's culture, people and networks, Maj. Gen.
Michael Flynn wrote in a report published Monday.
American military intelligence gathering is "ignorant of local
economics and landowners, hazy about who the powerbrokers are and how
they might be influenced, incurious about the correlations between
various development projects and levels of cooperation among
villagers, and disengaged from people in the best position to find
answers," Flynn wrote....
And just to make it entirely clear:
"...But the report is about military intelligence gathering, not the
CIA's work, one of Flynn's co-authors, Marine Capt. Matt Pottinger,
told CNN.
"This is primarily about improving intelligence within the Department
of Defense," he said via e-mail
"Our timing was independent of the tragic event in Khost Province," he
said, referring to the attack that killed the CIA officers....."
clw
gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
> And in a report today, further explanation of How we got played:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/05/afghanistan.intel.report/
>
> ...U.S. military intelligence officers in Afghanistan spend too much
> time focusing on enemy groups and tactics and not enough on trying to
> understand Afghanistan's culture, people and networks, Maj. Gen.
> Michael Flynn wrote in a report published Monday.
Gee, I remember getting flamed here (primarily by Tiernan) when I
suggested, at the start of the Iraq fiasco, that we should get to know
our enemy so as to better combat him.
Curt
> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a814b45d-a457-4aa5...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 7:07 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Channel Cast" <s...@i.mud> wrote in message
>
> >>news:hhu8bd$6pb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> > Curt wrote:
> >> >> On Jan 4, 5:35 pm, Uh-huh <thylacoleo-carni...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>> They are able to "walk right in and set right
> >> >>> down."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/bomber-at-cia-base-in-afg_n_...
> >> >>> Watch your back. They're all around you...
>
> >> >> Get out. Meet your neighbors. Say hi to the guy on the next seat on
> >> >> the plane. Be willing to jump in if someone lights up a bomb. What's
> >> >> more to do?
>
> >> >> Curt
>
> >> > SCAN!
>
> >> Profile.
>
>
> It should start with cash-paying one-way customers without luggage,
Indeed -- and I do believe it already does.
Curt
Bill Shatzer
>> Curt wrote:
>>> Curt
>> SCAN!
> Profile.
'Bout the time you start waiving white grandmothers through, the bad
guys are gonna manage to recruit an anglo-saxon grandmother.
Profiling works until the bad guys figure out who you're profiling.
And let's not forget how Nezar Hindawi tried to get his bomb on that El
Al flight.
Profiling wouldn't have helped a whit on that one.
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
>>> >> Curt
>>> > SCAN!
>>> Profile.
>> http://rawstory.com/2009//01/retired-general-muslim-men-strip-searched-airports/
Now just how difficult do you imagine it would be to get the guy an AmEx
card, buy a round trip ticket and give him a suitcase filled with dirty
laundry? And pick a name at random out of just any phone book?
peace and justice,
SMITH29
We don't know how to put spies in enemy contact without getting them killed.
Someone in Washington would tell the world that we have x number of
spies operating in the Middle East and then stop short of giving their
names and mug shots to the press for fear we might give them away.
That's the kind of government we presently have.
President tells the world we intend to pull out of the Middle East.
Oh, the secret is we won't give an exact date.
We have met the enemy and it is us.
Homu wringing his hands over some guys in Gitmo?
Military trial and go from there if we are going to be doily folding
politically correct.
Taliban and Al Qaeda laugh at us.......
Wait till they score a hit over here.
--
> Peace and jsutice,
KEEP CLAM!
The29
gb
wrote:
>clew wrote:
>> In article <n5t6k51789qp2em6o...@4ax.com>,
>> gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And in a report today, further explanation of How we got played:
>>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/05/afghanistan.intel.report/
>>>
>>> ...U.S. military intelligence officers in Afghanistan spend too much
>>> time focusing on enemy groups and tactics and not enough on trying to
>>> understand Afghanistan's culture, people and networks, Maj. Gen.
>>> Michael Flynn wrote in a report published Monday.
>>
>> Gee, I remember getting flamed here (primarily by Tiernan) when I
>> suggested, at the start of the Iraq fiasco, that we should get to know
>> our enemy so as to better combat him.
>xxxx
>We don't know how to put spies in enemy contact without getting them killed.
Sure we do -- we just can't guarantee it.
That's the risk they take when they agree to become spies.
>Someone in Washington would tell the world that we have x number of
>spies operating in the Middle East
Someone could do that Now, and no one would pay much attention because
it would be considered DisInformation.
>... and then stop short of giving their
>names and mug shots to the press for fear we might give them away.
That's a Dick Cheney approach.
>That's the kind of government we presently have.
I doubt anyone in This administraion would do that.
>
>President tells the world we intend to pull out of the Middle East.
One would hope he would say that.
>Oh, the secret is we won't give an exact date.
Probably wise at that. You should be an advisor.
>We have met the enemy and it is us.
Once again, you quote Pogo, which was largely a send-up of folks who
would now be considered WingNuts.
But no -- we're pretty certain The Enemy isn't us. Nor do you have
any information that anyone in This administration is prepared to Out
a US agent of any sort.
That was Your group, remember?
>Homu wringing his hands over some guys in Gitmo?
Some -- clearly not all.
>Military trial and go from there if we are going to be doily folding
>politically correct.
Nah -- the folks we want to try are Criminals, not Warriors. Try them
in US Criminal Court and treat them as what they are. Treat them as
Warriors and you make them into something larger than they really are.
>Taliban and Al Qaeda laugh at us.......
When they aren't ducking, naturally. But thus far, they've had the
initiative. We kindasorta gave that up when we decided that there
were WMDs in Iraq, and the Dubya administration's ADD focused
attention where there was no al Qaeda at the time.
>Wait till they score a hit over here.
You and bT just can't hardly wait, apparently. And when -- not if --
it happens, you'll be rejoicing about it.
Ask the security Experts who show up even on Faux News. They will
tell you that those w ho intend to hit us are both persistent and
creative. They will keep coming at us, probing every possible opening
in which to do so. Several remain open even now -- and those are ones
we Know about.
But when the previous administration decided to hamstring our military
intelligence folks by cashiering a bunch of homosexuals ('Cause
apparently they are scarier than Terrists!) who had some useful
knowledge of language and furn culture, they undercut some of our
capacity to do the work we need to have done.
Be proud, Wingnuts!
Sancho Panza
"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
news:hi08pv$h5n$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
It was apparently difficult enough from 9/11 to 1/21/09 that no one is known
to have done it.
Bill Shatzer
> clew wrote:
>
>> In article <n5t6k51789qp2em6o...@4ax.com>,
>> gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And in a report today, further explanation of How we got played:
>>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/05/afghanistan.intel.report/
>>>
>>> ...U.S. military intelligence officers in Afghanistan spend too much
>>> time focusing on enemy groups and tactics and not enough on trying to
>>> understand Afghanistan's culture, people and networks, Maj. Gen.
>>> Michael Flynn wrote in a report published Monday.
>>
>>
>> Gee, I remember getting flamed here (primarily by Tiernan) when I
>> suggested, at the start of the Iraq fiasco, that we should get to know
>> our enemy so as to better combat him.
> We don't know how to put spies in enemy contact without getting them
> killed.
Sure we do, we just can't guarantee it. Getting killed is one of the
occuational hazards of being a spy.
> Someone in Washington would tell the world that we have x number of
> spies operating in the Middle East and then stop short of giving their
> names and mug shots to the press for fear we might give them away.
> That's the kind of government we presently have.
That's kinda the republican game - 'cept they do provide names and mug
shots; remember Valerie Plame?
Still, announcing that we have spies in the Middle East would hardly
come as a surprise to folks in the Middle East. That's rather assumed by
them.
> President tells the world we intend to pull out of the Middle East.
A wise policy.
> Oh, the secret is we won't give an exact date.
Probably wise as well.
> We have met the enemy and it is us.
Nah, we have the enemy pretty clearly defined and it isn't us.
And current definition of the enemy is a considerable improvement over
the dubya who thought the enemy was Iraq, even while al Qaeda and the
Taliban were in Afghanistan and the Tribal areas of Pakistan.
While the dubya was futzing around looking for non-existant WMDs, the
real enemy was reconstituting itself in Afghanistan and Pakistan - and
Somolia and Yemen to boot.
> Homu wringing his hands over some guys in Gitmo?
Some certainly should never have been there in the first place.
> Military trial and go from there if we are going to be doily folding
> politically correct.
> Taliban and Al Qaeda laugh at us.......
> Wait till they score a hit over here.
A prospect which seems to delight you unduly.
Hint: there will always be leakers.
There is nothing you or Dick Cheney can do which would guarantee
absolute security. A thousand Gitmos wouldn't change that - and would
contribute mightily towards making us less secure.
peace and justice,
SMITH29
> Be proud, Wingnuts!
xxxx
Define " Wingnuts ".
SMITH29
Before I reply to you, you need to retract this:
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
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Von Hindenberg
Retract your TREASON:
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Von Hindenberg
Retract your TREASON:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> peace and justice,
>
Von Hindenberg
> A prospect which seems to delight you unduly.
>
Retract your TREASON:
Von Hindenberg
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gb wrote:
dated: 10/8/2009
Sender: g...@amusenet.com
<ubisc5h6ti7g43kg0...@4ax.com>
> You should really find another set of friends. ;)
"Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me."
=================================================================================
Von Hindenberg
> And just to make it entirely clear:
>
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Von Hindenberg
Sancho Panza
"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
At least they could start operating their cameras:
"Jan 5, 2010 7:16 pm US/Eastern
Comedy Of Errors: Cameras Didn't Work At Newark
Sources Tell CBS 2 That TSA Surveillance Cameras Were Inoperable At Time Of
Terminal C Security Breach
TSA Apparently Didn't Know Number For Continental To Get Other Footage
CBS News Interactive: Eye On Air Safety
NEWARK (CBS) ?It's a tale of shocking ineptitude: CBS 2 has learned a series
of missteps unnecessarily added to the mayhem at Newark Liberty
International Airport on Sunday. The six-hour delay stranded thousands of
people, creating extreme crowding and chaos.
The mistakes made at the airport give new meaning to the term "domino
effect." It was a cascading series of missteps that cry out for action.
The sign at the Transportation Security Administration screening post at
Newark read: "Premises Under Constant Video Surveillance."
What is should add is: "If We're Lucky."
That's because CBS 2 has learned that when an unidentified man breached a
secure area at Newark on Sunday night, delaying thousands of passengers for
hours, the TSA cameras weren't working.That's right - they weren't even
recording, sources said, and needed a reboot, which the agency apparently
didn't ask for. That set off a chain reaction of even more missteps that
caused needless chaos and inconvenience for several thousand hapless
passengers.
With the cameras inoperable, the TSA tried to get a second set of
surveillance video from Continental Airlines. But the TSA apparently didn't
know the correct telephone number and the specific procedures to get the
footage. That caused a two hour delay in identifying the intruder and
closing the airport to look for him.When they finally got the footage, they
couldn't find the intruder, discovering later that he had slipped out
another entrance 20 minutes after he arrived.
"The question I would ask is should there be an independent camera system
there. Who should be responsible for the law enforcement?" said Sen. Frank
Lautenberg.Lautenberg is furious about what happened and he's going to hold
hearings to demand answers."You cannot afford a mistake here anymore than a
surgeon in the operating room," he said. "This system was broken."
But that's not all. The Edwardes family of Ontario, Canada may have felt the
worst of the domino effect. They were finally flying home on Tuesday after
being stranded since Sunday. For them, a 90 minute layover to change planes
from San Diego to Ontario turned into a two-and-a-half day delay."We were a
minute away from boarding," said Terri Edwardes. "We just want to go home."
The family was left to wait for hours and hours with no water, no food, no
information about whether their plane would take off, and no hotel. So what
did they get from Continental?"They gave us one of these packages with a
toothpaste, and a toothbrush, and hairspray in it. And deodorant," said Jake
Edwardes.
Needless to say, there is a lot of blame, and a lot of finger pointing. But
as of now, if it were to happen again, there's no guarantee it would be
handled smoothly."
Von Hindenberg
> In article <n5t6k51789qp2em6o...@4ax.com>,
> gb <g...@amusenet.com> wrote:
>
>> And in a report today, further explanation of How we got played:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/05/afghanistan.intel.report/
>>
>> ...U.S. military intelligence officers in Afghanistan spend too much
>> time focusing on enemy groups and tactics and not enough on trying to
>> understand Afghanistan's culture, people and networks, Maj. Gen.
>> Michael Flynn wrote in a report published Monday.
>
> Gee, I remember getting flamed here
Then enjoy it again, senile drooler.
Mal Ware
> x
You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, Jeffy.
Mal Ware
> you need to
You need to drop fucking dead.
Mal Ware
Mal Ware
Mal Ware
> g
Mal Ware
Bill Shatzer
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
> Before I reply to you, you need to retract this:
Fine, don't reply. See if I (or anyone else) cares.
Your reply would no doubt consist solely of one or more anal references
anyway.
Peace and justice,
Von Hindenberg
> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>> Before I reply to you, you need to retract this:
>
> Fine, don't reply. See if I (or anyone else) cares.
>
Retract your TREASON:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mark Time
> x
Sancho Panza
> On Jan 5, 8:38 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Curt" <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a814b45d-a457-4aa5...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 5, 7:07 am, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "Channel Cast" <s...@i.mud> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:hhu8bd$6pb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> >> > Curt wrote:
>> >> >> On Jan 4, 5:35 pm, Uh-huh <thylacoleo-carni...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >>> They are able to "walk right in and set right
>> >> >>> down."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/bomber-at-cia-base-in-afg_n_...
>> >> >>> Watch your back. They're all around you...
>>
>> >> >> Get out. Meet your neighbors. Say hi to the guy on the next seat on
>> >> >> the plane. Be willing to jump in if someone lights up a bomb.
>> >> >> What's
>> >> >> more to do?
>>
>> >> >> Curt
>>
>> >> > SCAN!
>>
>> >> Profile.
>>
>>
>> It should start with cash-paying one-way customers without luggage,
>
> Indeed -- and I do believe it already does.
Believe all you want. The reality shows that that is not now the practice.