Putin To Call In 300k Military Reservists

[26C.Z968]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums

Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

. . .

Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
those new soldiers any better than they did with the
initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
he was not bluffing about using nukes.

AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
the west for a couple of years now.

[Frank]

As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the Ukraine.
Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself than the country.

Let's hope the Chinese dictator takes note as what he could lose doing
the same thing.

[Hisler]

It's ironic that Zelensky ran on a platform of recognizing the autonomy
of the Lugansk and Donetsk "People's Republics" and said he wanted to
negotiate a peace agreement with Russia, only to do the opposite once in
office as president.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487

He told reporters he would "reboot" peace talks with the separatists
fighting Ukrainian forces and volunteers in the east.

"I think that we will have personnel changes. In any case we will
continue in the direction of the Minsk [peace] talks and head towards
concluding a ceasefire," he said.

[Like Jimmy Carter claiming he would never give away the Panama Canal or
Lyndon Johnson claiming he didn't want "American boys" fighting a war in
Southeast Asia, Zelensky is just another lying politicians who may start
a nuclear war with Russia that will make the Holodomor and "The
Holocaust" pale in comparison. Certainly the anti-white "leaders" in
the former "Free World" will be very happy, murdering hundreds of
millions of white people in a nuclear holocaust.
--
"Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

"Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to
aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic
transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection
1324(a)(3)."

"We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

"C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

https://www.globalgulag.us

[Rudy Crayola]

On 9/21/2022 10:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
> https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums
>
> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>
> . . .
>
>   Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.
>
>   Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
>   those new soldiers any better than they did with the
>   initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
>   Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...
>
>   Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
>   in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
>   invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
>   a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
>   I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
>   he was not bluffing about using nukes.

Biden has chastised thew English for misusing the Brexit. Apparently
that takes presidents over Nuclear threats.

Wasn't that funeral procession neat? The march consisted of wobbling,
left..Then Right and so forth. Looked something like Alice in the
Looking Glass.

[Rudy Crayola]

Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all the
other Dictators and Generals that are already there. Putin would be
right at home among the elite Democrat enemies of America.

>
> Let's hope the Chinese dictator takes note as what he could lose doing
> the same thing.

I wonder what China would charge that family for the price of the
bullet? Average price of large caliber in USA is well over a dollar a
round.

[Ed Debevic]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:13:33 -0400, "26C.Z968" <26C....@noada.net>
wrote:

"We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking
bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the
head Rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by
Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very
filthy, came down and met the General (Eisenhower)...The smell was so
terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later
lost my lunch as the result remembering it."

~ General Patton in Germany, diary entry Sept 17, 1945

[Mighty Wannabe]

They are US installed corrupt puppet dictators who had to flee after
losing power in their own country. Zelensky fits the bill.

How corrupt is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky?
https://mronline.org/2022/07/22/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/21/2022 5:08 PM:
>>
>
>  Biden has chastised thew English for misusing the Brexit. Apparently
> that takes presidents over Nuclear threats.
>
> Wasn't that funeral procession neat? The march consisted of wobbling,
> left..Then Right and so forth. Looked something like Alice in the
> Looking Glass.

The death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is the official closing
chapter of the British Empire. Before the Great War, the British Empire
was the most powerful empire in the war. The British lost an arm and a
leg to the American banking cartel in funding the Great War from
1914-1918. And then WWII from 1939-1945 put the final nail in the coffin
for Great Britain's military might. The British Empire lost most of its
colonial possessions and owed big money to American banking cartel. Now
the UK is merely an American vassal state.

History of the British national debt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_national_debt


1914-1945 The Unforeseen Consequences: The Collapse of the British Empire
https://www.wealthandpower.org/part-4/51-collapse-of-the-british-empire

"From 1815 to 1870, the British Empire was the most powerful nation on
earth. She stood as the established world power. Her bid for global
power had been made in the 18th century: by 1815 victory allowed the
country to luxuriate in the consequent half century of virtually
unchallenged maritime and imperial pre-eminence.  By 1900, Britain
possessed the largest empire the world had ever seen, some 12 million
square miles of land, and perhaps a quarter of the population of the
globe. Since 1870, she had added 4.25 million square miles and 66
million people to her empire. At the time, Britain was the world’s
colonial power bar none."

[Chasseur]

Well well our resident Chicom agitprop agent seemingly just got his
marching orders from his Kremlin handler. Things are not going too well
for Vlad in Moscow, are they not Wannabe....
You should seriously consider running back to Xi while you still can.
The way things are going presently you may not have a place to run in a
few months.
And by the way RT (Russia Today) and MR (Monthly Review an «independent»
socialist magazine) are known Moscow controlled agitprop «news» sources.
Did you not learn anything before you came to Canada?

Chasseur

[John Carlson]

Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 10:30 AM:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g
>
> Chasseur
>
>

What the fuck are you saying?

[Frank]

Maybe he hopes Wannabe croaks.

[Byker]

>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000
new citizens after they surrender and defect...

[Chasseur]

That is not my post. That is that Chicom shit Wannabe's post.

Chasseur

[Mighty Wannabe]

The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US because
it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also because it wore
the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia out. Winter is
coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb out their
electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and their military
are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the
country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won
the landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on brink
of war
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

"When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood
on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir
Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in
the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included
ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs."

[Chasseur]

Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
sovereign country?
Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

Chasseur

[John Carlson]

Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 3:35 PM:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g
>
> Chasseur


Fuck off and die, froggy.

[Mighty Wannabe]

The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

[Chasseur]

Well well well loosing it again Wannabe???

Chasseur

[Chasseur]

The discussion is another one of your low-life attacks against Zelensky.
It doesn't matter if Zelensky is or is not what you say he is. What
matters is that Ukraine is been invaded, its people made the victims of
heinous war crimes and that your Kremlin handler is now threatening
nuclear war and getting ready to annex Ukrainian lands and subsequently
invoke an attack against Russian territory.
Go back to China Chicom filth and when you report to Xi request a quick
reminder of another illegal military invasion, Tibet during the 1950s.
Mao got away with that one because the West didn't act accordingly. It's
time to make it clear that what is taking place now in Ukraine is
unacceptable and your petty attempts at manipulating the subject doesn't
fool anyone.

Chasseur

[Mighty Wannabe]

> [snip]
>
> Chasseur
>
>

Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

[Chasseur]

Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide very
well.

Chasseur

[Chasseur]

Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d


Chasseur

[Nic]

https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


*How Factual Is the Associated Press?
*

Think about this Chas before you go to war.

[Chasseur]

AP has been so far the most trustworthy news sources I have read on a
regular basis, way better than RT (Russia Today) for instance.
Furthermore that particular article I cited provides information to go
to UN debates for confirmation. Understand however that I have limited
trust in the UN's usefulness.Finally who's talking about going to
war???? The task at hand is to stop one, with among other things,
denouncing openly that military invasion of a sovereign country is
unacceptable as well as threats of nuclear war. If Putin gets away with
it, a new era of very dangerous international military adventurism will
begin. You can be assured that the likes of Xi or Kim or others are
watching the war on Ukraine with undivided attention.

Chasseur

Chasseur

[Nic]

What was all that business that Victoria Nuland was spending money about?

I meant war on this forum.

[Chasseur]

I don't understand your post.

Chasseur

[Mighty Wannabe]

> [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]

[Mighty Wannabe]

Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:

> [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]
>
>

[Byker]

"Chasseur" wrote in message news:pL4XK.64264$SMP5....@fx05.iad...

>
> Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

And he's making the same mistakes Hitler did.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Putin is making the same mistakes that doomed Hitler when he invaded the
Soviet Union

Analysis by John Blake, CNN
Sat April 2, 2022

Russian President Vladimir Putin often evokes the Soviet Union’s epic defeat
of Nazi Germany during World War II to justify his country’s invasion of
Ukraine.

Yet Putin is committing some of the same blunders that doomed Germany’s 1941
invasion of the USSR – while using “Hitler-like tricks and tactics” to
justify his brutality, military historians and scholars say.

This is the savage irony behind Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine that’s
become clear as the war enters its second month: the Russian leader, who
portrays himself as a student of history, is floundering because he hasn’t
paid enough attention to the lessons of the “Great Patriotic War” he
reveres.

“I have been trying to make sense of this for a month, because as terrible
as Putin is, you could never say he was illogical,” says Peter T. DeSimone,
an associate professor of Russian and Eastern European history at Utica
University in New York.

“All of this is illogical, and that’s the scary thing,” he says. “This is
not normal for what he’s done in the past. This is something that makes no
sense on many levels, and not just in regard to World War II.”

There are, of course, significant differences between the current war in
Ukraine and the clash between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

The Nazi war machine was formidable, agile, and well-trained. The Wehrmacht
killed and wounded 150,000 Red Army soldiers in the first week of their
invasion in June of 1941. They seized vast swaths of territory, and in one
“mega-encirclement” trapped four Soviet armies, capturing 700,000 prisoners
of war.

And there is no moral equivalence between Joseph Stalin, the Soviet
dictator, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Stalin was a sociopath (he once reached into a cage and killed a family pet
parrot because its chirping annoyed him) who starved millions of Ukrainians
to death and routinely murdered political rivals. Zelensky is a
democratically elected leader who has rallied Ukrainians and inspired the
world with his conspicuous displays of courage and eloquent defense of
democracy.

But look closer at Putin’s struggles in Ukraine and ironic parallels emerge.
Military historians say Putin is following Hitler’s ill-fated playbook in at
least three areas:

Putin forgot a basic rule of warfare

The tank has long struck dread in enemy troops. When the British introduced
the first lumbering tanks during World War I, soldiers fled in terror.

Ukraine, though, has become, according to one recent headline, a “graveyard
for Russian tanks.” Ukrainian soldiers are using everything from drones to
Javelins to destroy tank convoys.

But Russian tanks have been stymied for another surprising reason: lack of
fuel. The lack of fuel is part of a bigger problem. The once-vaunted Russian
army has become bogged down in Ukraine not just because of fierce resistance
but by something more prosaic: logistics.

Putin has struggled to feed, fuel and equip his army. There have been
reports of Russian troops looting banks and supermarkets, tanks running out
of fuel, and soldiers using substandard forms of military communication –
like smartphones – that have contributed to what Ukraine says are the deaths
of at least seven Russian generals.

“The evidence suggests that Putin thought he could win a quick victory with
the deployment of special forces and airborne units,” says Ian Ona Johnson,
a professor of military history at the University of Notre Dame. “So when
they were forced to go to a much more traditional war involving essentially
most of the Russian army along the Ukrainian border, they weren’t prepared
for some of the logistics.”

Poor logistical planning also played a critical role in Nazi Germany’s
defeat on the Eastern front, where Hitler expected a quick victory.

The German army failed to set up sufficient supply lines for the vast
distances and harsh terrain of the Soviet Union. German tanks ran out of
fuel. The consequences of this poor logistical planning would prove fatal
when the Russian winter hit.

Hitler didn’t equip many of his soldiers with winter clothing because he
thought the Soviet army was so inferior. German soldiers were forced to
fight in freezing temperatures while still clad in their summer uniforms,
with some using newspaper and straw to shield themselves against the cold.

“This proved devastating when a particularly brutal Russian winter set in,”
Johnson says. “Something like 250,000 German soldiers eventually suffered
frostbite injuries or died from the cold that winter because of logistical
issues.”

The German army reached its lowest point at the battle of Stalingrad,
considered the turning point of World War II. There ill-equipped German
soldiers were forced to eat horses, dogs and rats to survive the winter.

The scale of the fighting in Ukraine today doesn’t approach the Eastern
Front, but the lesson from both wars can be summed up in a military maxim
attributed to Gen. Omar Bradley, an American general during World War II:

“Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics.”

He alienated potential allies

In a war already full of heartbreaking images, one photo may be the worst.

It is a haunting photo of a pregnant Ukrainian woman in torn clothes being
carried on a stretcher. The woman is conscious, her hand cradled
protectively over her bare womb, which is smeared with blood. Both she and
her baby would later die from her injuries. Ukrainian authorities say she
was in a maternity hospital in the besieged city of Mariupol when it was
shelled by Russian artillery.

The image underscored what some commentators now say is Putin’s standard
approach to war: He is indiscriminately killing civilians to break the will
of the Ukrainian people.

Russia’s army has been accused of bombing hospitals, shopping malls,
apartment buildings and a theater with the word “children” written in
Russian on the exterior of the building. Russia also been accused of trying
to starve a Ukrainian city into submission by blocking humanitarian relief.

The Russian army’s brutality, though, is having the opposite effect, Maria
Varenikova wrote from Lviv, Ukraine, in a recent article for the New York
Times.

“If there is one overriding emotion gripping Ukraine right now, it is hate,”
Varenikova said. “It is a deep, seething bitterness for President Vladimir
V. Putin, his military, and his government.”

Brutality can backfire in war.

Putin has potential allies in Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are two Slavic
nations that share religious and cultural ties. Many Ukrainians have
relatives in Russia and speak the language. And there has historically been
more allegiance to Russia in the eastern part of the country.

But Putin’s indiscriminate brutality against civilians is uniting Ukrainians
in a way they’ve never been brought together before. One commentator called
hate a “hidden treasure” in war because it can sustain resistance for
generations.

Hitler’s indiscriminate brutality against Soviet civilians also played a
crucial factor in his defeat.

Hitler had many potential allies in the Soviet Union. Many Soviets despised
and feared Stalin, who routinely murdered political opponents, executed
military leaders and persecuted Soviet citizens. He murdered about four
million Ukrainians by starving them during one infamous period known as the
Holodomor.

That’s why some Soviets initially welcomed Hitler as a liberator, and gave
some German troops Christmas presents.

But Hitler’s brutal treatment of civilians quickly stiffened Soviet
resistance. German troops looted and starved Russian cities into submission.
They rounded up Soviet Jews and other minorities, shooting them or poisoning
them in mobile gassing vans. Nazi propaganda taught Germans that Soviets
were generically inferior “Mongolized” Slavs who deserved death or
enslavement.

“The Nazis were not an occupying force; they were an extermination force
from the start,” says DeSimone, the historian from Utica University.

Stalin was so hated that roughly a million Soviets served in the German
army, says Johnson, the Notre Dame historian. Hitler’s brutality destroyed
any chance he had of picking off Soviet sympathizers and weakening Soviet
resistance, Johnson says.

“Instead of taking advantage of large numbers of people who might been
sympathetic or at least think the Germans were better than the Soviets,” he
says, “Hitler rapidly alienated all those groups.”

He’s using Hitler-like language to justify war

Last summer, Putin published a lengthy essay entitled “On the Historical
Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” that sought to explain that there was an
artificial division between the two countries and that “true sovereignty of
Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia.”

The language Putin used caused some historians to shudder. They said he
echoed some of the same rhetoric Hitler used in “Mein Kampf,” the dictator’s
autobiography and political manifesto. Hitler’s book brimmed with distorted
history about Germany’s lost greatness, global conspiracies that undercut
Germany’s power, and justifications for conquest of another group of people.

“Like the Führer, the president of Russia bemoans the tragedy that has
befallen his homeland, an erstwhile empire, and he too wants to turn back
the clock,” wrote Avi Garfinkel, a reporter for Haaretz, an Israeli
newspaper, in an article entitled, “How Putin’s Ukraine Agenda Evokes Hitler’s
Mein Kampf.”

This may be one of the most disturbing links between Putin and Hitler. Some
Putin critics say he is using Nazi language and propaganda techniques to
justify the invasion of Ukraine. They compared the “Z” inscribed on Russian
tanks to a symbol used by Nazis in concentration camps. Others compared a
recent massive war rally Putin led in a Moscow stadium to scenes of a Hitler
speech in an infamous Nazi propaganda film called “Triumph of the Will.”

Some of the strongest reaction to Putin’s rhetoric stems from his claim that
the Russian army is striving for the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine and seeks
to protect people who have been “abused by the genocide of the Kyiv regime.”

Timothy Snyder, a leading authority on Central European history and the
Holocaust, says Putin’s claim about “de-Nazification” is “grotesque” because
he’s trying to justify invading a democratic country – led by a Jewish
president who lost relatives in the Holocaust – by claiming he’s there to
fight Nazis.

Snyder calls Putin’s justification a variation of Hitler’s Big Lie – a Nazi
propaganda technique that insists that if a political leader repeats a
colossal untruth enough, people will eventually believe it.

“Adolf Hitler had some public relations advice: Tell a lie so big that
people will not believe that you would ever try to deceive them on such a
grand scale,” Snyder wrote in an essay titled, “Putin’s Hitler-like tricks
and tactics in Ukraine.”

By telling lies that Ukraine is run by Nazis bent on genocide, Putin is
making a mockery of people who survived the Holocaust, says Snyder, author
of “On Tyranny.”

Yet Putin’s embrace of the Big Lie could also backfire. In a country where
many citizens’ ancestors perished in the Holocaust, invoking such a
historical tragedy to justify war may only make some Ukrainians more
determined to defend their homeland.

Perhaps that is why some Ukrainians no longer call Putin the Russian
president.

They call him “The New Hitler.”

What could be the biggest irony of all

We know the result of Hitler’s invasion. The Soviet Union eventually
destroyed the Nazi war machine. The Soviets, more than any country, were
responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany. Hitler committed suicide as
Russian troops closed in on his Berlin bunker in 1945.

An estimated 26 million Soviets died during World War II. One was Putin’s
two-year-old brother, Viktor, who died after the German army lay siege to a
Russian city, blocking the delivery of food and water.

We don’t know how the war in Ukraine will end. Putin could still prevail. He
could split the nation and seize the energy-rich resources of Eastern
Ukraine and consolidate his hold on the country’s coastline, some say.

And we know that in war no one side has a monopoly on brutality. A far-right
group with a history of neo-Nazi leanings has played a crucial role in
Ukrainian resistance. Ukrainian soldiers have been accused of shooting
Russian prisoners.

But if Ukraine somehow preserves its independence and its territory,
something may happen that could lead to one of the biggest ironies of all.

A Ukrainian victory will be depicted as another Great Patriotic War.
Ukrainians will commemorate their country’s victory with parades and
monuments. And Putin will no longer be hailed as a shrewd and bold leader
who restored Russia’s greatness by manipulating chess pieces on a global
stage.

He will be seen as a fool whose hubris and brutality drove him into making
the same mistakes as the dictator he professed to despise.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/02/world/putin-invasion-mistakes-hitler-blake-cec/index.html

And CNN is hardly a "far-right hate site"...

[Mighty Wannabe]

Byker wrote on 9/23/2022 10:31 AM:
>
> Putin is making the same mistakes that doomed Hitler when he invaded the
> Soviet Union

Zelensky doesn't have the military capability that Hitler had. Hitler
could have won WWII if it wasn't because the British had all the cannon
fodder from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent and
Africa. Plus the US was making big bucks selling arms to Britain and the
USSR under "Lend Lease". Hitler's army was against the world. That's no
easy feat.

Zelensky the TV clown is totally propped up by the US.  He has been
wearing military OD green uniform ever since the beginning of the
invasion. He is sucking up to his military. Once Putin has got
everything ready, Putin can bomb the shit out of Kiev with his most
advanced missiles without even sending Russian troops there.

So I predict that in the winter months, Russia will cut off all gas and
electricity to the Ukraine to let them freeze, and then bomb the shit
out of Kiev. The TV clown will seek asylum in Hollywood, California so
he can make another TV series while in exile.

[Rudy Crayola]

You need to update your information. Dozens if not more of the enemy
Vietcong are now living safely, very richly in America. In fact the top
North Vietnamese General of that war era lives very comfortably in
California.

[PaxPerPoten]

If that happens, who will be sticking the bubble gum on the theater
seats? Canada needs its Pinocchio.

[PaxPerPoten]

What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers? Do
you really think they need the handicap? Also Russia really needs
someone to keep an eye on Russia's mutual defense Pal. China is very
untrustworthy these days. It is time for Russia to pull in its horns and
rethink a very bad decision. Maybe even apologize and make restitution
in preparation to ally with Ukraine. The Future looks a bit bleak in
that area and NATO is not capable of handling every little outbreak.
Golly Gee, maybe Wannabe could talk the Russians into Joining NATO too.
We just bought 250,000 155MM artillery rounds from another country and
are shipping them to the Ukraine to dispose of as they want. It also
turns out that our Military has Many millions of Ammo and Weapons
stashed that were supposed to be disposed of long ago. The Navy is
really guilty on this level. This news comes from the Military Times.

[PaxPerPoten]

As usual you are full of Fecal matter. As for what we supposedly lost.
None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American citizens
to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever want them
won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion is that we now
have leaders that may believe a good war will make ours and the worlds
economy well.
"
>

[PaxPerPoten]

There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail. But you may
continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all here can use
the entertainment. Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and
do your cheer leading there?

[PaxPerPoten]

What on earth has this do do with anything?
>

[PaxPerPoten]

Heh! Heh! You lost it! Next you will be calling everyone a Nazi.
LOser loser loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]
>
>
>

[Mighty Wannabe]

PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:28 PM:
>
> There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail.

Remember the fall of Saigon and Kabul? Absolutely "turn tail and run"
sounds more like it.

> But you may continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all
> here can use the entertainment.

I predict Zelensky will be in exile in Hollywood to continue his TV
clown career before the winter is over.

> Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and do your cheer
> leading there?

Why don't you trot down to Little Ukraine in Toronto to cheer them up?

Little Ukraine in Toronto
https://torontolife.com/city/tales-of-love-and-resilience-from-little-ukraine/

[Mighty Wannabe]

PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:24 PM:
> On 9/22/2022 3:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
>>>>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>>>
>>> Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
>>> surrender and defect...
>>
>>
>> The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
>> because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
>> out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
>> out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
>> their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
>> has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
>> attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
>> peace with Russia.
>>
>> Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
>> brink of war
>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war
>>
>>
>> "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
>> stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
>> Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
>> unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
>> reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.
>

> As usual you are full of infinite wisdom. As for what we supposedly

> lost. None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American
> citizens to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever
> want them won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion is
> that we now have leaders that may believe a good war will make ours
> and the worlds economy well.
>

This one is different. Ukraine is sitting on a piece of land which has
been belonged to many different countries throughout history. The
majority of Eastern Ukraine were Russian territories before. Many of
Ukraine's neighbours, especially Poland, are licking their chops to get
their historical land back. The population in Eastern Ukraine are mostly
ethnic Russians. That's why the pro-Russia president was democratically
elected before he had to go into exile after the US orchestrated Maidan
Uprising in 2014.

History of Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

Crimea: A Gift To Ukraine Becomes A Political Flash Point
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point


Putin has no patience for protracted war. Russia is now in partial
mobilization to prepare for large scale war. Instead of "special
military operation" as of now, I predict in the winter Russia will
declare war on Ukraine and bomb the shit out of Kiev. Zelensky will be
in exile in Hollywood to resume his career as TV clown. Zelensky's
missile attack on Crimea and other border Russian territories is enough
casus belli for Russia to declare war.

[Mighty Wannabe]

PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
> On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>>
>> Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
>> surrender and defect...
>
> What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
> Do you really think they need the handicap?

You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia
officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.

Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

[Mighty Wannabe]

It surely helps a lot with all the American aid money they had pocketed
and squirreled away. If you give me hundreds of million dollars I am
sure I will live safely, richly and comfortably in California too.

[Mighty Wannabe]

> Loser   loser   loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]


Yes, I lost it. I have low tolerance for semi-literate lowbrow
mouthbreathing inbreds.

[rbowman]

On 9/25/22 05:02, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
>> On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>>>
>>> Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
>>> surrender and defect...
>>
>> What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
>> Do you really think they need the handicap?
>
> You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia
> officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.
>
> Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
> WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
> Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
> warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing

Lindemann, Bomber Harris, and Churchill should have been in the dock at
Nuremberg.

[PaxPerPoten]

On 9/25/2022 6:02 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
>> On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>>>
>>> Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
>>> surrender and defect...
>>
>> What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
>> Do you really think they need the handicap?
>
> You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia
> officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.
>
> Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
> WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
> Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
> warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

Dream on Moron. In fact move to your paradise in Russia and you can
witness the end of your world if Russia did do something that stupid.
With China on Russia's existing borders, it is doubtful that Russia will
chance any kind of direct war that would weaken its military stance any
more then it is. I will ask again, Just what is your profit in
destruction of the Western countries that are keeping your world alive
and well fed? If you are just suicidal? please just off yourself and
don't share with us your delusions.>

[PaxPerPoten]

Agreed.

[PaxPerPoten]

That is all it would take to unleash Ukraine to storm into Russia, and
the UN to follow suit. I seriously doubt Putin is still powerful enough
to institute any such action without the Permission of the Oligarchy.
Poland, Finland and a lot of others have ancient grudges to settle with
Russia. The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers
the 8 million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.
If it will help you to better understand, I could translate that to
Russian for you.

[PaxPerPoten]

On 9/25/2022 5:06 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:28 PM:
>>
>> There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail.
>
> Remember the fall of Saigon and Kabul? Absolutely "turn tail and run"
> sounds more like it.

More like this expensive party is over and its time to go home. Lets
turn a profit and get some products made with inexpensive labor.

>
>> But you may continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all
>> here can use the entertainment.
>
> I predict Zelensky will be in exile in Hollywood to continue his TV
> clown career before the winter is over.

Now you are making mewling sounds like the wisdom puked up by Rudy
Canoza(Ball).

>
>> Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and do your cheer
>> leading there?
>
> Why don't you trot down to Little Ukraine in Toronto to cheer them up?

I have been there. Most of the able ones have return to the Ukrainian
Military and those left in Canada are proud of their accomplishments.
Not many Russians sticking their heads up in that district at this time.
But you are certainly welcome to give them one on one advice. let us
know how that turns out for you.

[PaxPerPoten]

> Yes, I lost it. I have low tolerance for semi-literate lowbrow n
> mouthbreathing inbreds.

If such is the case. I fear that if you look in the mirror you would go
suicidal.
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Mighty Wannabe]

You should use Google Map to see how small Ukraine is relative to
Russia. Most able bodied male in Ukraine are already dead or living
overseas as refugees.

> and the UN to follow suit.

More than half the population in the world have a favorable view of Putin.

> I seriously doubt Putin is still powerful enough to institute any such
> action without the Permission of the Oligarchy.

Putin has more than 80% approval of his people.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-confidence-putin-ticks-past-80-percent-despite-war-fallout-1743928

https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

> Poland, Finland and a lot of others have ancient grudges to settle
> with Russia.

All European countries have ancient grudges to settle with each other.
Read their history. They redrew their borders practically every other day.

> The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers the 8
> million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.

That number is as inflated as the 6 million Jews in the Holocaust. All
CIA propaganda.

> If it will help you to better understand, I could translate that to
> Russian for you.

I speak "Truth & Facts", apparently that's an alien language to you.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Is it because you are American and I am Canadian so we have to ignore
the facts and lie about what's happening in Ukraine?

What are you babbling about "With China on Russia's existing borders"?
China and Russia need each other to counter the US. China and Russia had
their differences but they are now in good terms. China cannot let
Russia lose because the US will attack China if Russia is no more. Read
the Chinese novel about the "Three Kingdoms".

The ancient Chinese history of the Three Kingdoms is repeating itself on
a global scale: China - Russia - US.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms
https://inf.news/en/history/a7d1b2416260b0bc3792e5a375f9bc7d.html


China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script? Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

2022-09-24 19:43 HKT

As early as 2009, the United States put forward the idea of ​​G2.
Regardless of g20, g7, and g8, the world has the final say on the United
States and China. This is G2.

At that time, Summers, director of the National Economic Council of the
United States, even declared in a very low-key manner that "the United
States is no longer the locomotive of the world" and deliberately gave
up the position of the protagonist.

There is nothing new under the sun. Isn't this American trick a bit like
a replica of what Cao Cao said to Liu Bei back then of "the heroes of
the world, only the king and Caoer"? Isn't it a bit like Sun Quan's
letter to persuade Cao Cao to be the emperor, Cao Cao mocked "I want to
make me live above the fire", you kid is trying to put me on fire?

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

The general trend of the world, divided for a long time must be united,
and for a long time must be divided. This is the law of China's
historical changes and development. It is also the law of the game among
major powers in international relations. It is also the law of struggle
or friendship between China, the United States and Russia in the past 70
years.

So, who can rule the world, or say, win to the end?

As the world's most powerful country after World War II, the United
States is undoubtedly the contemporary Cao Wei-with comprehensive
advantages and strategic dominance.

At the beginning of the Cold War, China fell to the Soviet Union and
joined hands against the United States. By the 1960s, the two countries
fell apart. Then China and the United States turned their enemies into
friends, established diplomatic relations in 1979, and joined hands
against the Soviet Union. In the 1980s, Sino-Soviet relations began to
thaw. China, the United States and Russia have formed an unequal
triangular relationship.

Therefore, from the 1950s to the late 1980s, the United States and
Russia were the protagonists at both ends of Libra, while China was the
weight. Whoever leans against can occupy a favorable position.

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

After the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia's influence
diminished, but after Putin came to power, he cleaned up the mess, kept
the basics, and still plays a decisive role in the world. China has
risen due to reform and opening up, and has gradually taken to the
center of the international arena. The United States, on the other hand,
has been over consumption due to the war on terrorism for more than 10
years, and its strength has declined sharply after its domestic
de-industrialization.

Therefore, after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, China, the
United States and Russia formed a new triangular relationship. Just like
Sun and Liu joined forces to fight against Cao, China and Russia joined
forces to fight against the United States and report to the group for
warmth.

After the US-Russia summit, the outside world has been concerned about
when Biden will meet with Chinese leaders. In this regard, US National
Security Adviser Sullivan stated at a press conference that President
Biden is willing to have "any form" of meetings with Chinese leaders,
but there is currently no specific plan, and both leaders will be
present in October. The G20 summit. As for their personal relationship,
Biden said, "We know each other, but we are not good friends, just
official relations."

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

In contrast, the personal relations between the leaders of China and
Russia, just like the relationship between the two countries, are "the
best intimate friends." In terms of official definition, Sino-Russian
relations are also in the "best period in history." Therefore, China and
Russia can see through any attempts to split them.

On the economic front, China and Russia announced their intention to
weaken the dominance of the U.S. dollar in international trade. Since
last year, most of the trade between the two sides has been paid in
Russian rubles, Chinese yuan or euros. For Russia, this helps weaken the
strength of US economic sanctions.

In the field of military security, this year marks the 20th anniversary
of the signing of the Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness,
Friendship and Cooperation. The Ministry of National Defense of China
issued a statement in March this year that it will implement the
important consensus reached by the heads of state of China and Russia,
conduct in-depth cooperation in high-level exchanges, strategic
coordination, joint exercises, equipment and technology, and
comprehensively develop Sino-Russian military relations. I believe this
direction will not change. In addition, the Chinese and Russian armed
forces jointly held joint military exercises from Central Asia to
Russia, and then to the Baltic Sea, the Western Pacific and the Indian
Ocean. The progress of joint patrols of strategic bombers in Japan's sea
and sky shows that China and Russia are willing to form a united front
against the US military presence in this area.

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

Moreover, China's military industry is also developing rapidly. Russian
defense expert Polonchuk published an article in the "Military Courier"
magazine and pointed out that at present, in addition to being
interested in Russia's most advanced weapon models, China is gradually
abandoning its previous bulk purchase of Russian-made weapons in favor
of brand-new military technology. Cooperative transformation. In other
words, the era of Russia's comprehensive superiority in weapons and
equipment has passed.

It seems that Sino-Russian relations are like iron plates, and the
possibility of shaking them is very low. In the "Sino-Russian Treaty of
Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation" signed 20 years ago,
one of the clauses stipulated: When one of the contracting parties
believes that they are threatened by aggression, the two parties will
immediately engage and negotiate to eliminate the threat. In a joint
statement of more than 5,000 words issued by the two countries this
week, there are many important new expressions, the second of which
says: Russia needs a prosperous and stable China, and China needs a
strong and successful Russia.

However, as China's national strength has improved, new changes have
taken place in the relationship between the three countries. China and
the United States have become the protagonists at both ends of Libra,
while Russia has become the weight. China needs to hug her for warmth
and gain momentum; the United States needs to improve relations with her
in order to concentrate on dealing with China. As the power fluctuates,
Moscow has become a sweet pastel in the competition between China and
the United States.

The United States is also very aware of the decline in its own strength.
In order to contain China, in the future, he is bound to take more
measures to show his favor to Russia. Right now, the United States has
an opportunity to consider how Russia's interests are considered when
Ukraine's accession to the European Union, especially NATO's accession,
and relax sanctions against Russia as the situation progresses. This may
play a positive role and help Russia to adjust and coordinate with
Russia. American relations.

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

On January 26 this year, the first week after Biden took office, the
first call to foreign heads of state was also Putin. After visiting the
main White House for five months, Putin was invited for talks during his
first overseas visit. This has fully illustrated the weight of Russia.
Some Russian analysts pointed out that Putin and Biden met as presidents
for the first time. As long as they can be brought into the meeting, it
is an achievement in itself.

On June 16, the US and Russian heads of state held a summit in Geneva.
After the meeting, the two sides issued a joint statement announcing
that the two countries will conduct bilateral strategic stability
dialogues on issues such as arms control and reducing the risk of
conflict. The two sides also agreed to conduct diplomatic consultations
to allow the ambassadors of both sides to return to the host country to
start work.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he and President Biden had a
two-and-a-half-hour meeting, and the content was entirely on political
topics. The results of the summit have determined the key positions on
which the United States and Russia can approach. In the future, "to what
extent the United States is prepared, to what extent we are ready to
continue this kind of dialogue." Putin hopes that the situation of
US-Russian relations in the past few years will not repeat itself.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zakharova said on June 22 that the
agreement reached by the two heads of state in Geneva is being actively
implemented. The US responded relatively cautiously. "Reuters" quoted a
U.S. official as saying: "This is not a strategic change. It will take
some time to see if these potential areas of cooperation really have
results."

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

So can the US-Russia summit really achieve the results expected by the US?

Zakharov, a senior Russian diplomat, said in an interview with the
Russian Satellite News Agency that this is a constructive meeting
dedicated to easing the relations between the two countries in the
military and strategic field. Other experts believe that the US-Russia
summit first talked about political and military strategy and other
sensitive issues, and it seemed that the relationship between the two
countries could be seen to develop in the direction of relaxation.

However, most media and experts agree that the summit is only symbolic.
U.S.-Russian relations have been ossified for many years, and the ice
breaking will face numerous obstacles.

The Chinese media is also very concerned about the contacts between the
US and Russian heads of state and their subsequent development. Just a
few days before the summit, the Global Times, a subsidiary of the
People's Daily, interviewed Denisov, the Russian ambassador to China,
and raised two sensitive issues.

China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the
script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

The reporter asked him that the Biden administration might ease
relations with Russia in order to concentrate on dealing with China.
Will Russia alienate China and get closer to the United States?

Denisov replied: "This view is too short-sighted, it can't happen."

The reporter also asked, if there is an armed conflict between China and
the United States, what position will Russia take?

Denisov said very skillfully: "This question will not have an answer,
because I am convinced that there will be no armed conflicts between
China and the United States, just as there will be no armed conflicts
between Russia and the United States." Humans disappeared. Obviously, he
was talking about nuclear weapons. This is also the consensus reached at
the US-Russia summit: once a nuclear war breaks out, no one will win.
But the question is, what if there is a localized conventional war
between China and the United States? To be more specific, what about
conventional armed conflicts due to the Taiwan Province issue?

Analyzing from the diplomatic terms of the ambassador, Putin will not be
without a case. His first consideration is not the issue of position,
but how to ensure Russia's maximum influence when conflicts between
China and the United States, and then reverse and establish Russia's new
historical position in the game of great powers. Therefore, this is also
the main strategic consideration for the three countries of China, the
United States and Russia not to talk about war, because any conflict
between the two parties is tantamount to giving a third party an
opportunity to take advantage of the situation. Therefore, the best
strategy is to maintain a balanced relationship between the three
countries. Denisov has already expressed this idea in the interview and
hopes that the trilateral relations between China, the United States and
Russia can maintain a balance. This is not difficult to understand. He
would say that Russia is short-sighted when it distances itself from
China and approaches the United States.

Therefore, the current world situation is undergoing the biggest change
in a century. The triangular relationship between China, the United
States and Russia is also being readjusted. Maintaining a balance and
acting in accordance with international rules should be the safest approach.

[Chasseur]

No, no, no, Wannabe your are not a Canadian. You are a hostile alien who
has overstayed his welcome in Canada.You will be much happier in China.
Time to go back to Xi.

Chasseur

[Chasseur]

Pax, you have a killer sense of humor.....

Chasseur

[rbowman]

On 9/25/22 15:38, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers the 8
> million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/cossack-against-cossack/

Careful how you throw 'Cossack' around. The Ukrainians adding the
Cossacks to their mythology is like the attempt to link the US democracy
to the Iroquois Confederacy.

https://www.pbs.org/native-america/blogs/native-voices/how-the-iroquois-great-law-of-peace-shaped-us-democracy/

Note that the Iroquois peace only applied to Iroquois. They killed
everyone else in the general vicinity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars

[Byker]

"PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:tgoo94$37bs6$4...@dont-email.me...

On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>> Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized
>>
>> Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
>> surrender and defect...
>
> What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers? Do
> you really think they need the handicap?

Would you rather see them fighting for Russia?

[Byker]

"rbowman" wrote in message news:jpbf30...@mid.individual.net...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing

Did carpet-bombing Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo end WWII? No.

Did pounding Pyongyang into rubble end the Korean War? No.

Did bombing Hanoi and Haiphong end Vietnam? Sure, a "treaty" was signed but
the war still went on until Saigon fell.

Did bombing Baghdad make Saddam Hussein surrender?

Dictators don't give a shit about their populations. All they care about is
their own lives and those of the Praetorian guards needed to keep them in
power.

But with today's technology, we can single out these autocrats and take them
out with pinpoint precision, with few if any collateral casualties. However,
the next tyrant may well be worse than the one you just got rid of...

[PaxPerPoten]

300,000 Russian fuckups would certainly give Ukraine a massive
advantage. I doubt that the Ukraine has the resources to feed and cloth
300,000 Cannon fodder. As for the Cannon Fodder...Their best bet is to
flee the conflicted area. Or get trained for battle field survival.

[rbowman]

On 10/1/22 14:33, Byker wrote:
> But with today's technology, we can single out these autocrats and take
> them
> out with pinpoint precision, with few if any collateral casualties.
> However,
> the next tyrant may well be worse than the one you just got rid of...

In the era of Predators and their many equivalents people have been
showing remarkable restraint.

[Byker]

"rbowman" wrote in message news:jpbf30...@mid.individual.net...
>

> Lindemann, Bomber Harris, and Churchill should have been in the dock at
> Nuremberg.

What about Curt LeMay?

“I’ll tell you what war is about. You’ve got to kill people, and when you’ve
killed enough they stop fighting.”

“Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I
had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.”

[Keith Willshaw]

The technique of fire rising by using a combination of blast bombs and
incendiaries was tested by the Luftwaffe in Spain and perfected over
Coventry in 1940. As they found out payback is a bitch. Bomber Harris
put it best.

"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they
were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At
Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put
their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and
so they shall reap the whirlwind."