Scientists Confirm Large Quantities of Thermite in World Trade Center Dust

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The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.

Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank
M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and
Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from
the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics
Journal, Vol. 2 (2009), pp. 7-31.
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
http://visibility911.com/downloads/media/thermite-fingerprint.pdf
http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874412500902010007
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/oxy_redchip_slow.mov (A
video cited in the article.)

For more information on the background on this paper, including the
extensive research that went into it and the rigorous peer-review
process that it underwent, I highly recommend everyone here listen to
the below interview of Dr. Steven E. Jones, one of the paper's
authors. Also available below is an interview of Kevin R. Ryan,
another author of the paper.

"Special Report: Thermite Fingerprint," Michael Wolsey, Visibility
9/11, April 3, 2009. http://visibility911.com/reports-thermite01.php
http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility911_drjones0309.mp3
http://cdn4.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_drjones0309.mp3
http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility911_kevinryan0309.mp3
http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_kevinryan0309.mp3

Below are two other peer-reviewed papers which also pertain to the
presence of large quantities of thermite in the dust of the collapsed
W.T.C. towers:

Kevin R. Ryan, James R. Gourley and Steven E. Jones, "Environmental
anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic
materials," The Environmentalist, August 4, 2008.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.pdf
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/
http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10669-008-9182-4

Steven E. Jones, Frank M. Legge, Kevin R. Ryan, Anthony F. Szamboti
and James R. Gourley, "Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official
Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction," Open Civil
Engineering Journal, Vol. 2 (2008), pp. 35-40.
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000001/35TOCIEJ.SGM
http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874149500802010035
http://hdl.handle.net/10.2174/1874149500802010035

In addition to the presence of large amounts of thermite in the dust
of the collapsed W.T.C. buildings, another truly vital piece of
evidence that provides definitive proof that the W.T.C. towers were
brought down by controlled demolition are the videos of yellow-hot
molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower (World Trade Center
Tower 2).

That piece of evidence isn't merely a smoking gun: it's a smoking
nuclear cannon. Those videos, alone and by themselves, are
irrefragable proof that the South Tower (at the very least) had
thermite-like ("like" in the sense of producing comparable
temperatures) incendiary demolition charges with the ability to easily
slice through structural steel going off within it. There is no
innocent explanation for what those videos record.

That is to say, the only way to get around that it is thermite which
is causing that yellow-hot metal to cascade off the South Tower before
its collapse would be to posit that we are seeing a different form of
extremely powerful incendiary with thermite-like temperatures at work
in the videos. Of which, even if true, would be every bit as much
damning, since no such powerful incendiaries can be accounted for
without involving a sinister intent to plant them there.

Below are four videos which contain some of this footage:

"Shot from street level of South Tower collapsing," CameraPlanet,
Google Video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863

http://www.plunder.com/Video-of-Thermite-on-9-11-at-the-W-T-C-and-Physicist-Steven-Jones-Ph-D--download-84738.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20061213231413/http://www.supportthetruth.com/vids/thermite.wmv

http://web.archive.org/web/20071116045856/http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Molten+Metal+from+WTC.mpg

"Wtc 1, impact site close up, tower collapse close up, long shot,
people shouting," CameraPlanet, Google Video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151

From the color of the yellow-hot molten metal seen cascading off the
South Tower, it had to be at least over 1000 °C (as the temperature of
an incandescent object is exhibited by its color), yet jet fuel burns
in open air at 260-315 °C; nor do burning office, building, or plane
materials impart temperatures anywhere near that hot to structural
members (indeed, it would present quite a hazard if such articles were
constructed with such powerful incendiaries, and so designers of such
objects go out of their way to make sure that they are not). Thus, if
it wasn't molten iron from thermite that we are seeing come off the
South Tower, then by necessity a reaction source with a heat intensity
very much like thermite had to be present. Yet there is nothing in the
U.S. government's account that can explain such a heat source; indeed,
there's nothing innocent that could explain it, since it requires some
sort of extremely powerful incendiary.

For more on this, see the below paper by Steven E. Jones (Ph.D.;
physicist and archaeometrist; former professor in the Department of
Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University):

"Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?," Dr. Steven E.
Jones, Journal of 911 Studies, Vol. 3 (September 2006).
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buildings_Completely_Collapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Trade_Center.pdf
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/Papers/J6p2%20.doc (Older
version.)

See also:

"Experiments to test NIST 'orange glow' hypothesis," Steven E. Jones,
Ph.D., August 31, 2006
http://911review.com/articles/jones/experiments_NIST_orange_glow_hypothesis.html
http://stj911.org/jones/docs/Liquid_Aluminum_011.mpg
http://stj911.org/jones/docs/Liquid_Aluminum_012.mpg

"Experiments with Molten Aluminum," Steven E. Jones with Wesley
Lifferth, Jared Dodson, Jacob Stevenson and Shannon Walch, circa June
2006. http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/ExptAlMelt.doc
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ExptAlMelt.doc

"A description of molten aluminum poured onto rusty steel," Wes
Lifferth, Physics Shop, Brigham Young University, Journal of 9/11
Studies, Vol. 9 (March 2007).
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf

Moreover, even the official FEMA scientists Jonathan Barnett, Ronald
R. Biederman, and R. D. Sisson, Jr. bolster the evidence that thermate
(i.e., thermite with sulfur added, which causes it to slice through
steel even faster by forming a eutectic alloy with it) was used to
bring down the W.T.C. towers (see "Appendix C: Limited Metallurgical
Examination" in World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data
Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations, Federal
Emergency Management Agency, FEMA 403, May 2002
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf ):

""
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel,
including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent inter granular
melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. ...
No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.
The rate of corrosion is also unknown.
""

And in the below paper it is conclusively proved via chemical analysis
using scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray energy dispersive
spectroscopy (X-E.D.S.), and wavelength dispersive X-ray spectroscopy
(W.D.S.), that large quantities of thermite analogs (such as thermate)
were used in the destruction of the World Trade Center towers:

"Revisiting 9/11/2001--Applying the Scientific Method," Dr. Steven E.
Jones, Journal of 911 Studies, Vol. 11 (May 2007).
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf

See also the below on additional physical remains of thermite (in the
form of unreacted flakes of thermite) from the demolished World Trade
Center, collected even before clean-up operations began:

"Announcing a discovery: Red/gray bi-layered chips in the WTC dust,"
ProfJones (Steven E. Jones), 911Blogger.com, December 22, 2007.
http://911blogger.com/node/13090

"Dr. Steven E. Jones Boston 911 Conference 12-15-07 Red chips
Thermite.mov," Google Video, December 21, 2007.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147

Further, the below paper documents the connections between the people
at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
responsible for investigating the collapse of the W.T.C. buildings and
the rarefied military-intensive field of super-thermites. The glaring
implication being that those responsible for executing the technical
aspects of the controlled demolition of the W.T.C. (on behalf of those
who control the U.S. government) are the same people in charge of
investigating the cause of the collapses. Thereby killing two birds
with one stone: using the same technical-echelon team which collapsed
the towers to subsequently collapse any authentic investigation into
what caused the collapse of the towers--as these people aren't going
to tell on themselves. (To date NIST has refused to examine the
remains of the W.T.C. for evidence of explosives or thermite, despite
repeated requests for such an examination and despite such analysis
being specified in NFPA 921, "Guide for Fire and Explosion
Investigations," National Fire Protection Association.)

"The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites," Kevin R.
Ryan, Journal of 9/11 Studies, Vol. 22 (July 2, 2008).
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

----------------------------------------

James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), revised and expanded edition, March 19, 2009 (originally
published December 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761
http://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.html

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information on
Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory and the quantum gravity Theory
of Everything [TOE]) http://geocities.com/theophysics/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/omega-point/
http://www.myspace.com/theophysics

PrivateParty

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Apr 5, 2009, 11:34:03 AM4/5/09
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On Apr 5, 11:45 am, James Redford <jrredf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
> and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
> universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
> of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
> flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
> called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
> reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
> nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
> Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
> different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
> chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
> using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
> energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
> calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.
>
> Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank
> M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and
> Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from
> the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics
> Journal, Vol. 2 (2009), pp. 7-31.http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/000...http://visibility911.com/downloads/media/thermite-fingerprint.pdfhttp://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874412500902010007http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/oxy_redchip_slow.mov(A

> video cited in the article.)
>
> For more information on the background on this paper, including the
> extensive research that went into it and the rigorous peer-review
> process that it underwent, I highly recommend everyone here listen to
> the below interview of Dr. Steven E. Jones, one of the paper's
> authors. Also available below is an interview of Kevin R. Ryan,
> another author of the paper.
>
> "Special Report: Thermite Fingerprint," Michael Wolsey, Visibility
> 9/11, April 3, 2009.http://visibility911.com/reports-thermite01.phphttp://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility911_drjones0309...http://cdn4.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_drjones0309.mp3http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility911_kevinryan03...http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_kevinryan0309.mp3

>
> Below are two other peer-reviewed papers which also pertain to the
> presence of large quantities of thermite in the dust of the collapsed
> W.T.C. towers:
>
> Kevin R. Ryan, James R. Gourley and Steven E. Jones, "Environmental
> anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic
> materials," The Environmentalist, August 4, 2008.http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.pdfhttp://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.htmlhttp://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10669-008-9182-4

>
> Steven E. Jones, Frank M. Legge, Kevin R. Ryan, Anthony F. Szamboti
> and James R. Gourley, "Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official
> Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction," Open Civil
> Engineering Journal, Vol. 2 (2008), pp. 35-40.http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00...http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874149500802010035http://hdl.handle.net/10.2174/1874149500802010035

>
> In addition to the presence of large amounts of thermite in the dust
> of the collapsed W.T.C. buildings, another truly vital piece of
> evidence that provides definitive proof that the W.T.C. towers were
> brought down by controlled demolition are the videos of yellow-hot
> molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower (World Trade Center
> Tower 2).
>
> That piece of evidence isn't merely a smoking gun: it's a smoking
> nuclear cannon. Those videos, alone and by themselves, are
> irrefragable proof that the South Tower (at the very least) had
> thermite-like ("like" in the sense of producing comparable
> temperatures) incendiary demolition charges with the ability to easily
> slice through structural steel going off within it. There is no
> innocent explanation for what those videos record.
>
> That is to say, the only way to get around that it is thermite which
> is causing that yellow-hot metal to cascade off the South Tower before
> its collapse would be to posit that we are seeing a different form of
> extremely powerful incendiary with thermite-like temperatures at work
> in the videos. Of which, even if true, would be every bit as much
> damning, since no such powerful incendiaries can be accounted for
> without involving a sinister intent to plant them there.
>
> Below are four videos which contain some of this footage:
>
> "Shot from street level of South Tower collapsing," CameraPlanet,
> Google Video.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863
>
> http://www.plunder.com/Video-of-Thermite-on-9-11-at-the-W-T-C-and-Phy...http://web.archive.org/web/20061213231413/http://www.supportthetruth....
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071116045856/http://www.checktheevidence...

>
> "Wtc 1, impact site close up, tower collapse close up, long shot,
> people shouting," CameraPlanet, Google Video.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151

>
> From the color of the yellow-hot molten metal seen cascading off the
> South Tower, it had to be at least over 1000 °C (as the temperature of
> an incandescent object is exhibited by its color), yet jet fuel burns
> in open air at 260-315 °C; nor do burning office, building, or plane
> materials impart temperatures anywhere near that hot to structural
> members (indeed, it would present quite a hazard if such articles were
> constructed with such powerful incendiaries, and so designers of such
> objects go out of their way to make sure that they are not). Thus, if
> it wasn't molten iron from thermite that we are seeing come off the
> South Tower, then by necessity a reaction source with a heat intensity
> very much like thermite had to be present. Yet there is nothing in the
> U.S. government's account that can explain such a heat source; indeed,
> there's nothing innocent that could explain it, since it requires some
> sort of extremely powerful incendiary.
>
> For more on this, see the below paper by Steven E. Jones (Ph.D.;
> physicist and archaeometrist; former professor in the Department of
> Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University):
>
> "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?," Dr. Steven E.
> Jones, Journal of 911 Studies, Vol. 3 (September 2006).http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_W...http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/Papers/J6p2%20.doc(Older

> version.)
>
> See also:
>
> "Experiments to test NIST 'orange glow' hypothesis," Steven E. Jones,
> Ph.D., August 31, 2006http://911review.com/articles/jones/experiments_NIST_orange_glow_hypo...http://stj911.org/jones/docs/Liquid_Aluminum_011.mpghttp://stj911.org/jones/docs/Liquid_Aluminum_012.mpg

>
> "Experiments with Molten Aluminum," Steven E. Jones with Wesley
> Lifferth, Jared Dodson, Jacob Stevenson and Shannon Walch, circa June
> 2006.http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/ExptAlMelt.dochttp://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ExptAlMelt.doc

>
> "A description of molten aluminum poured onto rusty steel," Wes
> Lifferth, Physics Shop, Brigham Young University, Journal of 9/11
> Studies, Vol. 9 (March 2007).http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Pour...

>
> Moreover, even the official FEMA scientists Jonathan Barnett, Ronald
> R. Biederman, and R. D. Sisson, Jr. bolster the evidence that thermate
> (i.e., thermite with sulfur added, which causes it to slice through
> steel even faster by forming a eutectic alloy with it) was used to
> bring down the W.T.C. towers (see "Appendix C: Limited Metallurgical
> Examination" in World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data
> Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations, Federal
> Emergency Management Agency, FEMA 403, May 2002http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf):
>
> ""
> Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel,
> including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent inter granular
> melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. ...
> No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.
> The rate of corrosion is also unknown.
> ""
>
> And in the below paper it is conclusively proved via chemical analysis
> using scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray energy dispersive
> spectroscopy (X-E.D.S.), and wavelength dispersive X-ray spectroscopy
> (W.D.S.), that large quantities of thermite analogs (such as thermate)
> were used in the destruction of the World Trade Center towers:
>
> "Revisiting 9/11/2001--Applying the Scientific Method," Dr. Steven E.
> Jones, Journal of 911 Studies, Vol. 11 (May 2007).http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod...

>
> See also the below on additional physical remains of thermite (in the
> form of unreacted flakes of thermite) from the demolished World Trade
> Center, collected even before clean-up operations began:
>
> "Announcing a discovery: Red/gray bi-layered chips in the WTC dust,"
> ProfJones (Steven E. Jones), 911Blogger.com, December 22, 2007.http://911blogger.com/node/13090

>
> "Dr. Steven E. Jones Boston 911 Conference 12-15-07 Red chips
> Thermite.mov," Google Video, December 21, 2007.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147

>
> Further, the below paper documents the connections between the people
> at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
> responsible for investigating the collapse of the W.T.C. buildings and
> the rarefied military-intensive field of super-thermites. The glaring
> implication being that those responsible for executing the technical
> aspects of the controlled demolition of the W.T.C. (on behalf of those
> who control the U.S. government) are the same people in charge of
> investigating the cause of the collapses. Thereby killing two birds
> with one stone: using the same technical-echelon team which collapsed
> the towers to subsequently collapse any authentic investigation into
> what caused the collapse of the towers--as these people aren't going
> to tell on themselves. (To date NIST has refused to examine the
> remains of the W.T.C. for evidence of explosives or thermite, despite
> repeated requests for such an examination and despite such analysis
> being specified in NFPA 921, "Guide for Fire and Explosion
> Investigations," National Fire Protection Association.)
>
> "The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites," Kevin R.
> Ryan, Journal of 9/11 Studies, Vol. 22 (July 2, 2008).http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," Social Science Research
> Network (SSRN), revised and expanded edition, March 19, 2009 (originally
> published December 19, 2001)http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761http://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.pdfhttp://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.html

>
> Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information on
> Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory and the quantum gravity Theory
> of Everything [TOE])http://geocities.com/theophysics/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/omega-point/http://www.myspace.com/theophysics

Also, Elvis was seen with thermite all over his fingers.

Al Dykes

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Apr 5, 2009, 11:44:10 AM4/5/09
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In article <5gkht497qgtc1ma6r...@4ax.com>,

James Redford <jrre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
>and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
>universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
>of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
>flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
>called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
>reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
>nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
>Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
>different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
>chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
>using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
>energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
>calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.
>


Jones' paper doesn't include teh spectra for thermite to compare to
what he found at WTC. The fact that they look nothing alike may have
something to do with that.


Thermite spectra compared with Jones' Spectra
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4584589#post4584589


It's a vanity publication. They will print anything if someone pays
the bill. It's Bentham's Open Chemical Physics Journal and it has has,
in its brief lifespan, produced exactly two issues. With a total of 12
articles between them, so far.
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm

They let the author pick the "peer review" group. That's not "peer
review" to any real scholar or scholarly publication.

Jones still hasn't released the entire analysis of his sample.

There is nothing found in the results he shows that isn't found in any
large building fire.

"Active Thermitic Material" isn't thermite/thermate. It's a
meaningless phrase meant to confuse the children.

Jones still refuses to speak in public in front of any relevant
professional group to present his results and address polite, relevant
questions from knowledgeable people.

He says things that sound silly to relevant professionals I know. He
won't speak in public and address their points.

Why should I believe him.

This latest crap from Jones is being discussed in this thread. Anyone
can read it. If anyone wants to defend Jones or ask questions, you can
get a free ID and have your say.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139293&page=3

Jones will claim "nano-thermite"

The problem with nano-thermite is that all papers about its
characteristics report that it explodes just like other demolition
explosives. Nobody herd any explosions consistent with man-made
demolition at WTC.

For instance:

"A lot of work has been accomplished recently with nanopowders
in energetic materials. For example, it has been proven that
because of their large surface area, the nanopowders can
increase the burn rate in some types of
propellants1,3,8-10. There were also significant developments
made in the "super thermite" area with mixes of nanometric
aluminum and metal oxides11. Those compounds are said to react
at rates approaching (and under particular conditions even
equivalent to) those of high explosives."

http://www.intdetsymp.org/detsymp2002/PaperSubmit/FinalManuscript/pdf/Brousseau-193.pdf


Nobody heard explosions consistent with man-made demolition at WTC on
9/11. There is no sound of an explosion immediately preceding a
collapse on any of the countless video recordings of the collapse of
the towers on 9/11.

Spectra
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4584589#post4584589

Paper
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm
--
Al Dykes
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Qwerty

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thank you, for the post.
The Truth shall set ye free!
--
It's amazing what you can do. If...
you put your mind to it.

Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )

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James Redford wrote:
>
> The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
> and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
> universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
> of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
> flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
> called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
> reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
> nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
> Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
> different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
> chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
> using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
> energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
> calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.
>

Kook Alert.

--
"Now, boys, we got three engines out; we got more holes in us than
a horse trader's mule; the radio's gone and we're leakin' fuel, and
if we's flying any lower, why, we'd need sleigh bells on this
thing. But we got one little budge on them Rooskies, at this
height, why, they might harpoon us but they dang sure ain't gonna
spot us on no radar screen."
-Major Kong, "Dr Strangelove", channeling president Obama's State
of the Union speech.

PseudoCyAntz

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Apr 5, 2009, 9:30:45 PM4/5/09
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James Redford <jrre...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5gkht497qgtc1ma6r...@4ax.com:

> The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
> and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
> universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
> of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
> flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
> called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
> reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
> nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
> Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
> different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
> chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
> using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
> energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
> calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.
>
> Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank
> M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and
> Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from
> the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics
> Journal, Vol. 2 (2009), pp. 7-31.
> http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000
> 001/7TOCPJ.SGM
>

It is exceedingly difficult to view any grand conspiracy theory as being
credible without adding into the mix transparent deceits, motivated from
a desire to provide umwarranted legitimacy to published studies.

> published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
> and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories
> at multiple universities

The "peer-reviewed chemical physics journal" is The 'Open Chemical
Physics Journal'[1], published by Bentham Science Publishers Ltd[2], as
a part of their for profit open access journal venture, Bentham Open[3].

The base fee for publishing a research article at Bentham Open is $800
USD [4], with a discounted fee schedule available for pre-paid members,
prices beginning at $1600 USD for Individual Membership Fee, and $2200
USD for Institutional Membership Fee.[5] This business model presents a
great potential conflict of interest with a rigorous peer-review
process, yet Bentham Open is very sketchy about the methods actually
used for peer-review, how the limit conflicts of interest, and the
actual expertise of their editorial boards.[4] There hae been valid
concerns about Bentham Open raised by Open Access Journal Advocate,
University Officials and Research Scientists. [6]

A cursory invesstigation in the nive authors of this publication quickly
reveals that they are not in fact all scientists, and that there were
not "multiple universities" involved with this study, but instead only
two separate University affiliations shared between all authors. These
same two Universities are the only ones mentioned in the whole
publication:

Dept. of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Dept. of Physics
and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT

Steven E. Jones is a retired Physics Professor, who formerly taugh at
BYU, and whose listed business, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, lools to
be a no longer active venture, once used to receive DOE research grants
for 3 years in the 1980s. [7]

Kevin R. Ryan is a former laboratory director at Environmental Health
Laboratories Inc., a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories Inc., the
consumer-product safety testing giant, terminated for cause from that
posistion for falsely asserting tha Underwriters Laboratories
investigations substantiated his claims abouit the WTC collapse.[8]

Frank M Legge claims to have BSc and PhD degrees, yet has not offered
any verification as to what the degrees were for, nor what University
accredited them.

Gregg Roberts' self-bio states he "is a freelance technical writer and
business analyst with a bachelor's degree in psychology, master's-level
study in social work, and earlier education in the 'hard' sciences." [9]
Obviously, he's not a scientist or an architects, yet listed his
affiliation in this publication as being Architects & Engineers for 9/11
Truth, Berkeley, CA.

James R. Gourley's listed affiliation in this publication is
"International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX". There is a James R.
Gourley from Dallas,TX, who is an intellectual propery attorney, with a
BS in Chemical Engineering from University of Oklahoma.[10] Are these
the same individual?

Bradley R. Larsen? background completely unknown.

And what about your background, James Redford, anything of note
other than being GQ Fashion Editor for The Reynold's Wrapped?

== == ==

[1] <http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj>
[2] <http://www.bentham.org/index.htm>
[3] <http://www.bentham.org/open/index.htm>
[4] <http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/MSandI.htm>
[5] <http://www.bentham.org/open/oaMembership.php>
[6] <http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/some-background-on-bentham-open-but.html>
<http://poynder.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-access-interviews-matthew-honan.html>
<http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/a-new-model-for-open-access-the-pyramid-scheme/>
<http://gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-sheep-among-open-access-journals.html>
<http://www.nabble.com/Be-careful-with-Bentham-Open----it-an-odd-publishing-venture-td19446213.html>
[7] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones>
<http://www.er.doe.gov/bes/archives/summaries/Advanced_Energy_Projects_Summary_Book_FY1987.pdf>
<http://www.sc.doe.gov/bes/archives/summaries/Advanced_Energy_Projects_Summary_Book_FY1988.pdf>
<http://www.sc.doe.gov/bes/archives/summaries/Advanced_Energy_Projects_Summary_Book_FY1989.pdf>
[8] <http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Kevin-R-Ryan22nov04.htm>
[9] <http://911research.com/essays/roberts/index.html>
[10] <http://www.cclaw.com/gourley_resume.html>

James Redford

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Apr 6, 2009, 1:50:57 AM4/6/09
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Your response simply consists of making up false charges. It's shows
an extreme level of desperation on your part.

It would greatly help you if you had read the article under question.
In Figure 24 of the article is presented the X-ray energy dispersive
spectrogram (X.E.D.S.) of commercial thermite, which you can then
compare to the X.E.D. spectrogram of the red/gray chips of Figure 25.

They are almost an exact match. Due to differences in chemical
composition of the different samples of thermite (i.e., between the
commercial thermite and the flakes of thermite in the W.T.C. dust, as
thermites represent a large class of compositions which can be, in
practical terms, endlessly varied), they wouldn't be an exact match.
But both spectrograms show the signature of reacted aluminothermics:
the major peaks of both are exactly what one expects to find from the
aluminothermic reaction.

But there is no doubt that these red/gray flakes are unreacted
thermite, since they have the chemical make-up of thermite and undergo
the thermite reaction. So by definition they are thermite. Indeed,
these flakes give off a higher energy reaction (as measured by
differential scanning calorimetry [D.S.C.]) than common thermite due
to their nanometer-range sized particles--so not only are they
thermite, but they are a very advanced form of thermite known as
super-thermite (also called nano-thermite).

Metal microspheres have never been found in a building fire unless
extremely powerful incendiaries have been used.

You state, "Jones still refuses to speak in public in front of any


relevant professional group to present his results and address polite,

relevant questions from knowledgeable people." What group of
professionals has invited Dr. Steven E. Jones to speak to them, to
which he refused?

Regarding explosions, nano-thermite can be formulated to act as an
explosive, but it can also be used as an incendiary. But many
eyewitnesses on that day report explosions (including many if the
firefighters), and indeed the sounds of explosions were recorded that
day.

The recent paper under question underwent a rigorous peer-review
process, the details of which one can learn about farther below.

In the above you also make incorrect statements regarding how open
access journals, such as the Bentham Open Access journals, work.

Bentham Open Access journals are indeed peer-reviewed. Regarding the
publication fees that many open access journals charge, closed-access
journals often also charge publication fees. For example, the most
prestigious American physics journal, Physical Review Letters, charges
publication fees, as do some other American Physical Society journals.
See, e.g., under the heading "Publication Charges" on the below page:

"Information for Authors--Journals of The American Physical Society"
http://authors.aps.org

In particular, see:

"Publication Charges and Reprints in PRL [Physical Review Letters]"
http://forms.aps.org/general/mastpubchg-prl.html

For more information on open access journals and the fees which they
charge, see the below resources:

"Objection-reply: Whether the upfront payment model corrupts peer
review at open-access journals," SPARC Open Access Newsletter, Issue
#71, March 2, 2004
http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/03-02-04.htm#objreply

"Open Access Overview: Focusing on open access to peer-reviewed
research articles and their preprints," Peter Suber, Last revised June
19, 2007 http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm

The below paper and topic of this thread, published in a peer-reviewed


chemical physics journal and authored by nine scientists working in
laboratories at multiple universities using state-of-the-art
equipment, confirms the presence of large quantities of metal
microspheres of reacted thermite, and flakes (chips) of unreacted
(i.e., still active) super-thermite (also called nano-thermite, which
is thermite which has been made even more reactive by decreasing the
thermitic particle size down to the nanometer range), in different
dust samples from the collapsed World Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers
collected from multiple people at different sites even before cleanup
operations began. The physical and chemical properties of these
microspheres and flakes were analyzed using optical microscopy,
scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray energy dispersive
spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning calorimetry
(D.S.C.), among other methods.

Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank


M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and
Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from
the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics
Journal, Vol. 2 (2009), pp. 7-31.
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
http://visibility911.com/downloads/media/thermite-fingerprint.pdf
http://dx.doi.org/10.2174/1874412500902010007
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/oxy_redchip_slow.mov (A
video cited in the article.)

For more information on the background on this paper, including the
extensive research that went into it and the rigorous peer-review
process that it underwent, I highly recommend everyone here listen to
the below interview of Dr. Steven E. Jones, one of the paper's
authors. Also available below is an interview of Kevin R. Ryan,
another author of the paper.

Below are two other peer-reviewed papers which also pertain to the
presence of large quantities of thermite in the dust of the collapsed

W.T.C. towers. The first paper is published in a closed-access
journal.

James Redford

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On 06 Apr 2009 01:30:45 GMT, PseudoCyAntz
<nume...@IntelligenceDecline.us> wrote:

Recall that a conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part
in a plan which involves doing something improper to others (of which
plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary
component for actions to be a conspiracy). Since obviously more than
one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then by
definition the U.S. government's mendacious, self-serving,
anti-historical, anti-physical law, anti-factual, and provably false
official fairy tale is a conspiracy theory, as the U.S. government is
putting forth a theory concerning the 9/11 attacks which involves a
conspiracy.

Conspiracies are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against
conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said
laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal
conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. More
than six times the amount of noncombatants have been systematically
murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments
within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from
wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes murdered from 3.5
million to over 4.3 million of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians,
and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million
of its own noncombatant subjects. The communist Chinese government
murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some
16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a
sampling of governments mass-murdering their own noncombatant subjects
within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph
Joseph Rummel's University of Hawaii website at
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)

All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is
largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars
committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come
anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for
committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of
numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist
throughout history has always been the people's very own government.
(This is also historically true for the U.S. govermment, as no group
has killed more U.S. citizens than the U.S. government. Viz., the
Civil War; etc.)

Not only were all of these government mass-slaughters
conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that--but they were
conspiracies of which the 9/11 attacks are quite piddling by
comparison.

> > published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
> > and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories
> > at multiple universities
>
>The "peer-reviewed chemical physics journal" is The 'Open Chemical
>Physics Journal'[1], published by Bentham Science Publishers Ltd[2], as
>a part of their for profit open access journal venture, Bentham Open[3].
>
>The base fee for publishing a research article at Bentham Open is $800
>USD [4], with a discounted fee schedule available for pre-paid members,
>prices beginning at $1600 USD for Individual Membership Fee, and $2200
>USD for Institutional Membership Fee.[5] This business model presents a
>great potential conflict of interest with a rigorous peer-review
>process, yet Bentham Open is very sketchy about the methods actually
>used for peer-review, how the limit conflicts of interest, and the
>actual expertise of their editorial boards.[4] There hae been valid
>concerns about Bentham Open raised by Open Access Journal Advocate,
>University Officials and Research Scientists. [6]

For more information on the background on this paper, including the


extensive research that went into it and the rigorous peer-review
process that it underwent, I highly recommend everyone here listen to
the below interview of Dr. Steven E. Jones, one of the paper's
authors. Also available below is an interview of Kevin R. Ryan,
another author of the paper.

In the above you also make incorrect statements regarding how open
access journals, such as the Bentham Open Access journals, work.

Bentham Open Access journals are indeed peer-reviewed. Regarding the
publication fees that many open access journals charge, closed-access
journals often also charge publication fees. For example, the most
prestigious American physics journal, Physical Review Letters, charges
publication fees, as do some other American Physical Society journals.
See, e.g., under the heading "Publication Charges" on the below page:

"Information for Authors--Journals of The American Physical Society"
http://authors.aps.org

In particular, see:

"Publication Charges and Reprints in PRL [Physical Review Letters]"
http://forms.aps.org/general/mastpubchg-prl.html

For more information on open access journals and the fees which they
charge, see the below resources:

"Objection-reply: Whether the upfront payment model corrupts peer
review at open-access journals," SPARC Open Access Newsletter, Issue
#71, March 2, 2004
http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/03-02-04.htm#objreply

"Open Access Overview: Focusing on open access to peer-reviewed
research articles and their preprints," Peter Suber, Last revised June
19, 2007 http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm

>A cursory invesstigation in the nive authors of this publication quickly
>reveals that they are not in fact all scientists, and that there were
>not "multiple universities" involved with this study, but instead only
>two separate University affiliations shared between all authors. These
>same two Universities are the only ones mentioned in the whole
>publication:

You apparently are in need of going back to elementary school.
"Multiple" in this sense means more than one, so there were indeed
multiple universities. A scientist is by definition one who does
science, and this is an empirical study in the field of physical
chemistry.

I see you're displaying the government conspiracy theorist's common
trait of obsession with aluminum foil and logical fallacies. Since
belief in the government's mendacious, self-serving, anti-historical,
anti-physical law, anti-factual, and provably false official fairy
tale conspiracy theories leads to such mental degeneracy, my
recommendation is for you to stop attempting to defend such
mass-murderous lies. Your conscience will thank you.

For reference purposes, below is reproduced the originating post of
this thread. PseudoCyAntz hasn't addressed most of its contents, and
what he did attempt to address above was fallacious on his part.

##########

Scientists Confirm Large Quantities of Thermite in World Trade Center
Dust

The below paper, published in a peer-reviewed chemical physics journal
and authored by nine scientists working in laboratories at multiple
universities using state-of-the-art equipment, confirms the presence
of large quantities of metal microspheres of reacted thermite, and
flakes (chips) of unreacted (i.e., still active) super-thermite (also
called nano-thermite, which is thermite which has been made even more
reactive by decreasing the thermitic particle size down to the
nanometer range), in different dust samples from the collapsed World
Trade Center (W.T.C.) towers collected from multiple people at
different sites even before cleanup operations began. The physical and
chemical properties of these microspheres and flakes were analyzed
using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (S.E.M.), X-ray
energy dispersive spectroscopy (X.E.D.S.), and differential scanning
calorimetry (D.S.C.), among other methods.

Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank
M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and
Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from
the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics
Journal, Vol. 2 (2009), pp. 7-31.

WangoTango

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In article <5gkht497qgtc1ma6r...@4ax.com>,
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>
> The below paper,

Is more delusional BS.

The only aluminium powder around here is what chafes off your beanie
when you add another layer.

Get your head out of your ass, your ass out of your mom's basement, and
get a life, or at least some professional help.

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