#Betelgeuse about to blow! Run for your lives!
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun
The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
happens, it will be impossible to miss.
According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
"For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will appear
to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable from day
for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on getting a lot of
sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only sensible thing for the
world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global supernova party."
Located in the Orion constellation, Betelgeuse is approximately 640 light-
years from Earth and is one of the largest and brightest stars in our
section of the galaxy. Despite its size, the star is far enough away that
the explosion will have virtually no damaging effects on our planet —
it'll strictly be fireworks.
--
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governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010
Phlip
wrote:
> Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun
> The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
> size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
> In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
> and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
> happens, it will be impossible to miss.
>
> According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
> bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
>
> "For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will appear
> to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable from day
> for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on getting a lot of
> sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only sensible thing for the
> world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global supernova party."
And give everyone a crash-course in science literacy, before all the
sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
> Located in the Orion constellation, Betelgeuse is approximately 640 light-
> years from Earth and is one of the largest and brightest stars in our
> section of the galaxy. Despite its size, the star is far enough away that
> the explosion will have virtually no damaging effects on our planet —
> it'll strictly be fireworks.
Correctly: B may have _already_ exploded, and the light might be on
its way here.
Betelgeuse is so big and close that it's the only star imaged as a
disk, not a bright point.
It has a ... lobe of brighter material sticking out of it. Toward us.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
> On Jan 21, 7:53 pm, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com>
> wrote:
>> Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun The red giant Betelgeuse
>> is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme size and luminosity
>> suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon. In astronomical
>> terms, that means it could explode anytime between one and 1 million
>> years from now. But whenever the big event actually happens, it will be
>> impossible to miss.
>>
>> According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be
>> so bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several
>> weeks.
>>
>> "For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will
>> appear to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable
>> from day for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on
>> getting a lot of sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only
>> sensible thing for the world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global
>> supernova party."
>
> And give everyone a crash-course in science literacy, before all the
> sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
And this is a problem for why?
>
>> Located in the Orion constellation, Betelgeuse is approximately 640
>> light- years from Earth and is one of the largest and brightest stars
>> in our section of the galaxy. Despite its size, the star is far enough
>> away that the explosion will have virtually no damaging effects on our
>> planet — it'll strictly be fireworks.
>
> Correctly: B may have _already_ exploded, and the light might be on its
> way here.
>
> Betelgeuse is so big and close that it's the only star imaged as a disk,
> not a bright point.
>
> It has a ... lobe of brighter material sticking out of it. Toward us.
It makes Orion the easiest constellation to spot in the Northern
Hemisphere. Maybe they'll have to rename the Constellation "Lefty".
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers
galaxy. Oh shit!!!
Christopher Helms
> On Jan 21, 7:53 pm, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun
> > The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
> > size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
> > In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
> > and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
> > happens, it will be impossible to miss.
>
> > According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
> > bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
>
> > "For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will appear
> > to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable from day
> > for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on getting a lot of
> > sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only sensible thing for the
> > world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global supernova party."
It won't be THAT bright, will it?
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Depends on the time of the year. In early summer, the sun is between
earth and Orion. In early winter, they are on opposite sides of the sky.
There's still going to be enough radiant heat that it would have a
temporary, but unknown effect on global weather, and an unknown
electromagnetic storm.
Steve
Perhaps for novices, but anyone with navigation experience will more
easily spot Ursa Major (the big dipper).
mr_antone
640 light-years seems pretty close.
What about gamma rays?
--
A Libertarian society is an oxymoron.
mr_antone
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:55:30 -0600, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" replied:
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:00:18 -0800, Phlip wrote:
>>
--->
>>>> "For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will
>>>> appear to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable
>>>> from day for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on
>>>> getting a lot of sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only
>>>> sensible thing for the world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global
>>>> supernova party."
>>>
>>> And give everyone a crash-course in science literacy, before all the
>>> sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
>>
>> And this is a problem for why?
*>LOL!<*
>>>> Located in the Orion constellation, Betelgeuse is approximately 640
>>>> light- years from Earth and is one of the largest and brightest stars
>>>> in our section of the galaxy. Despite its size, the star is far enough
>>>> away that the explosion will have virtually no damaging effects on our
>>>> planet — it'll strictly be fireworks.
>>>
>>> Correctly: B may have _already_ exploded, and the light might be on its
>>> way here.
>>>
>>> Betelgeuse is so big and close that it's the only star imaged as a disk,
>>> not a bright point.
>>>
>>> It has a ... lobe of brighter material sticking out of it. Toward us.
>>
>> It makes Orion the easiest constellation to spot in the Northern
>> Hemisphere.
>
> Perhaps for novices,
Crayon, you rank below "novice" in matters of astronomy, so why
do you have to try to act like you know anything at all?
Example follows..
> but anyone with navigation experience will more
> easily spot Ursa Major (the big dipper).
That's another false generalization, you ignorant twit!..
--Figured out those 'platform tokens' yet, Lotsa drones?
Steve
Being insulted by an ignorant drunken fool like Lochner is like
watching a cow stand up first thing in the morning and create a big
puddle of manure... IOW, it makes the cow feel better but doesn't
affect anyone else...
>Example follows..
>
>> but anyone with navigation experience will more
>> easily spot Ursa Major (the big dipper).
>
>That's another false generalization, you ignorant twit!..
<snort> Nobody would expect Lochner to understand..
>--Figured out those 'platform tokens' yet, Lotsa drones?
<chuckle>
Canyon stated the following: "Lochner claimed that direct
current transmission lines had inductive reactance"
LOchner blustered the following gibbererish "Yup, because
in the real world, DC transmission lines don't have
the perfect symmetry that you have to assume for your
overly simplified first-ordered differential equations..
Fact: there is no inductive reactance in direct current transmission line.
see below:
"DC transmission system on the other hand has more advantages over AC transmission system. DC system does not introduce a reactance in the line."
http://www.jcmiras.net/jcm/item/86/
Reactance
# When electricity flows down a cable, it generates an
electro-magnetic field. When the current changes, as it does with AC current, a counter electro-magnetic field is produced that acts as a resistance to the power being transmitted. These means that AC transmission of electricity loses power due to both resistance and to reactance. Because DC power transmission never changes direction, it is not susceptible to power loss as a result of reactance.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6192419_advantages-disadvantages-ac-dc.html
Phlip
> > sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
>
> And this is a problem for why?
If there's not so much crash-course to go around, we could elect to
concentrate on the former. For posterity.
> It makes Orion the easiest constellation to spot in the Northern
> Hemisphere. Maybe they'll have to rename the Constellation "Lefty".
If B blows, it won't fade back to even its original magnitude within
our lifetimes. (The blow represents a transition from billion-year
fuel to million-year fuel...)
We might even get to watch the formation of a huge, brilliant Crab
Nebula.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
I don't -think- they would be a big problem at the surface, although most
anything in orbit is liable to get fried.
Phlip
> 640 light-years seems pretty close.
> What about gamma rays?
Uh, there's a major gamma ray source only 9 light-minutes away, and we
seem to be doing okay.
Our atmosphere absorbs the them, which is one reason we don't see in
gamma rays.
Phlip
<threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Then it turns into one a them black hole doods that eats the whole
> galaxy. Oh shit!!!
I once tried to tell a colleague - otherwise technically literate -
that astronomers measured the exact weight of the supermassive black
hole at the center of our galaxy by timing the orbit of a star around
it.
He said, oh wow anyone living on a planet orbiting that star would get
sucked up into the black hole!
I'm like, uh, no, it's ORBITING the black hole, so the gravity exactly
matches the centripetal force. The inhabitants would feel no pull at
all.
He said, oh no here comes the black hole again! waaaugh! slorp
thread/ ! C-;
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:10:21 -0600, Man_of_Mind was laughing at:
>>
>> On 1/22/2011 6:49 AM, Sleaze <semen...@eight-wing.zealot.gop> whined:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:55:30 -0600, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" replied:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:00:18 -0800, Phlip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 21, 7:53 pm, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" posted:
>>
>>> but anyone with navigation experience will more
>>> easily spot Ursa Major (the big dipper).
>>
>> That's another false generalization, you ignorant twit!..
>>
>
Sorry to hear you're still clinging to a false premise..
--And whining about Zepp's spanking you silly for your lies..
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Big Bear is important to sailors since above about 30 North, it's ALWAYS
in the night sky. Orion obviously isn't.
But, since I -was- talking to novices, Steve can go stuff himself.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
He's doubtlessly making a good living running a global warming deniar
site today.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
But again, because of the scale of the event, even if Beetle Juice blew
today (or blew in 1461 ADE, I should say), that might take hundreds of
years to develop fully.
ZNUYBV
> On Jan 21, 7:53 pm, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun
> > The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
> > size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
> > In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
> > and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
> > happens, it will be impossible to miss.
>
> > According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
> > bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
>
> > "For a few weeks, the supernova will be so bright that there will appear
> > to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable from day
> > for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on getting a lot of
> > sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only sensible thing for the
> > world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global supernova party."
>
> And give everyone a crash-course in science literacy, before all the
> sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
>
those welfare folks, like the ones in old New Orleans, who need the
gov'ment to tell them what to do.
mr_antone
wrote:
>On Jan 22, 5:36 am, mr_antone <mr_ant...@see.reply.to> wrote:
>
>> 640 light-years seems pretty close.
>> What about gamma rays?
>
>Uh, there's a major gamma ray source only 9 light-minutes away, and we
>seem to be doing okay.
What's the source?
>
>Our atmosphere absorbs the them, which is one reason we don't see in
>gamma rays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova#Impact_on_Earth
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=240775
If Betelgeuse is pointing the 'wrong' way, it could dump a bunch of
gamma rays at earth.
I better double up on my tinfoil hat.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:56:50 -0800 (PST), Phlip <phli...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 22, 5:36 am, mr_antone <mr_ant...@see.reply.to> wrote:
>>
>>> 640 light-years seems pretty close.
>>> What about gamma rays?
>>
>>Uh, there's a major gamma ray source only 9 light-minutes away, and we
>>seem to be doing okay.
>
> What's the source?
Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>
>
>>Our atmosphere absorbs the them, which is one reason we don't see in
>>gamma rays.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova#Impact_on_Earth
>
> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?
fromPage=online&aid=240775
>
> If Betelgeuse is pointing the 'wrong' way, it could dump a bunch of
> gamma rays at earth.
>
> I better double up on my tinfoil hat.
Betelgeuse would be a type II--and at 640 LY, harmless to earth.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
If you're typical of a Teabagger, then they can't even toilet-train.
mr_antone
<de...@gone.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:26:48 -0600, mr_antone wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:56:50 -0800 (PST), Phlip <phli...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 22, 5:36 am, mr_antone <mr_ant...@see.reply.to> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 640 light-years seems pretty close.
>>>> What about gamma rays?
>>>
>>>Uh, there's a major gamma ray source only 9 light-minutes away, and we
>>>seem to be doing okay.
>>
>> What's the source?
>
>Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>>
>>
>>>Our atmosphere absorbs the them, which is one reason we don't see in
>>>gamma rays.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova#Impact_on_Earth
>>
>> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?
>fromPage=online&aid=240775
>>
>> If Betelgeuse is pointing the 'wrong' way, it could dump a bunch of
>> gamma rays at earth.
>>
>> I better double up on my tinfoil hat.
>
>Betelgeuse would be a type II--and at 640 LY, harmless to earth.
>
That is good.
In that case I hope it went nova about 639 years ago.
ZNUYBV
is looking for the gov'ment to tell him what to do.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Hopefully nobody lived nearby, though.
Phlip
>
> Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
Why did I think 9?
Phlip
> > In that case I hope it went nova about 639 years ago.
>
> Hopefully nobody lived nearby, though.
Maybe it happened right when they elected a noisy uneducatable talking-
head gun-nut to the presidency of their last, but fading, superpower.
Just as their ancients prophesied!
Phlip
Yos, rugged individualism can handle a supernova, easily.
BTW how's the Heaven's Gate Club doing these days?
Phlip
>
> > thread/ ! C-;
>
> He's doubtlessly making a good living running a global warming deniar
> site today.
No, he was just like that. He knew I'm right; there was no reason to
acknowledge that. He was just having fun playing with the mythos of
black holes.
Phlip
<threeb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Then it turns into one a them black hole doods that eats the whole
> galaxy. Oh shit!!!
Cute, but I just remembered the (boring) correct technical response:
A black hole always weighs _less_ than the star which created it. The
rest of the star blows off.
So if we haven't fallen into Betelgeuse yet, then we are not going to
fall into its remnant. Which will probably be a pulsar or neutron star.
Steve
<de...@gone.com> wrote:
>Big Bear is important to sailors since above about 30 North, it's ALWAYS
>in the night sky.
>
Nope that's not why... but nice try, Dummy...
5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
wrote:
>> > What's the source?
>>
>> Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>
>Why did I think 9?
You were educated on Venus, maybe?
5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
wrote:
>On Jan 21, 9:21�pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
Of course, if the neutrons acquire a charge, then look out: the movie
"2012" comes true!
5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
wrote:
>> > He said, oh no here comes the black hole again! waaaugh! slorp
Blackie, wasn't it? Yeah, I know he knows better than that.
5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
wrote:
>> > That is good.
Ah. Well, that would be the universe showing mercy is all.
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:48:48 -0800 (PST), Phlip wrote:
---
>>>> What's the source?
>>>
>>> Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>>
>> Why did I think 9?
>
> You were educated on Venus, maybe?
Nope.. It's a little over eight minutes..
--http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_sunlight_take_8_minutes_to_reach_the_Earth
Ray Fischer
>The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
>size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
>In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
>and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
>happens, it will be impossible to miss.
>
>According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
>bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
Nonsense. It will be bright, about as bright as a full moon, but to
claim it will be as bright as the sun is absurd. Besides, that would
be fatal to most life on Earth.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
Ray Fischer
>On Jan 21, 7:53 pm, "5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com>
>wrote:
>> Exploding Star Will Appear Like a Second Sun
>> The red giant Betelgeuse is on the verge of dying, as the star's extreme
>> size and luminosity suggest it will likely go supernova relatively soon.
>> In astronomical terms, that means it could explode anytime between one
>> and 1 million years from now. But whenever the big event actually
>> happens, it will be impossible to miss.
>>
>> According to science and sci-fi blog io9, the star's explosion will be so
>> bright it will appear as if our planet has two suns for several weeks.
>>
>> to be two stars in the sky, and night will be indistinguishable from day
>> for much of that time," io9 explains. "So don't count on getting a lot of
>> sleep when Betelgeuse explodes, because the only sensible thing for the
>> world to do will be to throw a weeks-long global supernova party."
>
>And give everyone a crash-course in science literacy, before all the
>sovereign jungle tribes and teabaggers commit mass suicide.
>
>> years from Earth and is one of the largest and brightest stars in our
>> section of the galaxy. Despite its size, the star is far enough away that
>> the explosion will have virtually no damaging effects on our planet —
>> it'll strictly be fireworks.
>
>Correctly: B may have _already_ exploded, and the light might be on
>its way here.
>
>Betelgeuse is so big and close that it's the only star imaged as a
>disk, not a bright point.
At 650 light years it's not especially close. The brightest star in
the sky, Siruis, is only 6 light years away. It's big, but size
isn't what counts. Mass counts, and at 19 times the mass of the sun
it is big, but there are bigger stars. Really big stars have masses 40
times that of the Sun.
Ray Fischer
Another rightard elitist snob with pretentions of superiority.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
hoo, boy. Next I'll be writing things like "It made the Aldeberon run in
less than 26 parsecs". I don't know what I was thinking.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Unfortunately, ones that big (and Betelgeuse falls into that category)
can produce what are called "hypernovae" which are events that have a bad
habit of sterilizing entire galaxies. The universe has one of those
roughly once a day, but since there are trillions of galaxies, the
chances of one occurring in the Milky Way are pretty low.
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Notice the only way he can do it is by pointing to his victims and
snickering at their imagined inferiority.
Man_of_Mind
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:32:14 -0600, Man_of_Mind wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2011 3:04 PM, 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:48:48 -0800 (PST), Phlip wrote:
---
>>>>>> What's the source?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> Why did I think 9?
>>>
>>> You were educated on Venus, maybe?
>>
>> Nope.. It's a little over eight minutes..
>>
>> --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_sunlight_take_8_minutes_to_reach_the_Earth
>
> hoo, boy. Next I'll be writing things like "It made the Aldeberon run in
> less than 26 parsecs". I don't know what I was thinking.
Henh! Don't get cocky, kid..
--If it's any comfort, I had to look it up to be certain..
Man_of_Mind
> Nope that's not why... but nice try, Dummy...
Still sniveling and moving the goal-posts..
*>LOL!<*
Crayon, you rank below "novice" in matters of astronomy, so why
do you have to try to act like you know anything at all?
Example follows..
> but anyone with navigation experience will more
> easily spot Ursa Major (the big dipper).
The original concept was that Betelgeuse was about to go
SN (supernova) and would light up the night skies from the
Orion constellation..
--Sorry you missed that part, sparky..
5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Hey, at least he's HEARD of the Big Dipper. That puts him ahead of most
right wing morons.
Lich Nutz
> That's another false generalization, you ignorant twit!..
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by Syd Henderson
I found a downloadable model of the Cassini space probe at the
Cassini web site at the Jet Propulsion Lab
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/model/) and Kurt agreed to construct
it. In addition, Kurt (and possibly Tim) will create flyers. Kurt will
try to construct balloon rockets.
We will also provide paper, crayons, colored pencils, etc., and
invite visitors to design a space colony.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/education/buildapapermodel/
Build a Paper Model
This free model is designed for anyone who wishes to learn more about
the Cassini Spacecraft, although it is probably not
appropriate for children less than about ten years of age to build
unassisted.
--
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Lich Nutz
> Sorry to hear you're still clinging to a false premise..
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From: Kurt.L...@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Statistics
Date: 11 Dec 90 17:44:56 GMT
Well, I'll be....my message did get out.
>
> Lazar's Element 115 .....
> .................................. 2 0.3%
Terrific,
and I re-worked all the batch files for some other
feeds too. Here's what I've been reading of late.
"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters
little to me. I find that book to be pretty credible,
though non-commital. Yes, it answers the question that's
been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by
any kind of authority (plural). So, great...there IS
some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?
As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others
engaged in the subject have not generated a single
reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify
anything of importance. Perhaps the outer "arms" of
this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a
little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?
"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping
ahead to see some of the more recent sightings. Again,
we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some
pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings
are really well done. It's not easy reading but it's
interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.
And that's what I really wrote to you about..
I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios
involved with these sighting. Letting the sightings display
the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of
guesswork. The international sightings pointed it out,
at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like
a refrigerator taking off.
Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable crash
recovery
sight later on told his
daughter that the craft operate on water, and that it might
threaten the oil industry. To support this conjecture,
I believe that if I was pressed to do, I could find a significant number of
sightings around water, and I recall some from earlier publications of
observing hoses in the
water. If you think that boiling water under pressure
does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water
in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.
So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was
pretty useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until
I've caught up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some
useful conjecture as to what kind of
"cover-up" might be occurring.
Thanks for the stats,
that was real big help.
Lich Nutz
> Nope.. It's a little over eight minutes..
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Lich Nutz
> Henh! Don't get cocky, kid..
>
> --If it's any comfort, I had to look it up to be certain..
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> --Sorry you missed that part, sparky..
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Steve
<de...@gone.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:32:14 -0600, Man_of_Mind wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2011 3:04 PM, 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:48:48 -0800 (PST), Phlip wrote:
>> ---
>>>>>> What's the source?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sol, which is actually 18 light minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> Why did I think 9?
>>>
>>> You were educated on Venus, maybe?
>>
>> Nope.. It's a little over eight minutes..
>>
>> --http://wiki.answers.com/Q/
>Why_does_the_sunlight_take_8_minutes_to_reach_the_Earth
>
>hoo, boy. Next I'll be writing things like "It made the Aldeberon run in
>less than 26 parsecs".
Zeppy has always had trouble separating reality from his fantasies...
> I don't know what I was thinking.
>
Thinking??? When has Zepp ever done that?
"Big Bear is important to sailors since above about 30 North,
it's ALWAYS in the night sky.
--David (Zepp) Jamieson Jan 22,2011
Stupidly and incorrectly trying to explain why the big dipper
is important to navigation
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/5bc4318a5b94d64c?hl=en&
Steve
<de...@gone.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:40:26 -0600, Man_of_Mind wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2011 2:31 PM, Sleaze <semen...@right-wing.zealot.gop< whined:
>>
>>> Nope that's not why... but nice try, Dummy...
>>
>> Still sniveling and moving the goal-posts..
>>
>> *>LOL!<*
>>
>> Crayon, you rank below "novice" in matters of astronomy, so why do you
>> have to try to act like you know anything at all?
>>
>> Example follows..
>>
>>> but anyone with navigation experience will more easily spot Ursa Major
>>> (the big dipper).
>>
>> The original concept was that Betelgeuse was about to go SN (supernova)
>> and would light up the night skies from the Orion constellation..
>>
>> --Sorry you missed that part, sparky..
>
>Hey, at least he's HEARD of the Big Dipper. That puts him ahead of most
>right wing morons.
"Big Bear is important to sailors since above about 30 North,
it's ALWAYS in the night sky."
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:40:26 -0600, Man_of_Mind wrote:
>>
>> On 1/22/2011 2:31 PM, Sleaze <semen...@right-wing.zealot.gop> whined:
>>> Nope that's not why... but nice try, Dummy...
>>
>> Still sniveling and moving the goal-posts..
>>
>> *>LOL!<*
>>
>> Crayon, you rank below "novice" in matters of astronomy, so why do you
>> have to try to act like you know anything at all?
>>
>> Example follows..
>>
>>> but anyone with navigation experience will more easily spot Ursa Major
>>> (the big dipper).
>>
>> The original concept was that Betelgeuse was about to go SN (supernova)
>> and would light up the night skies from the Orion constellation..
>>
>> --Sorry you missed that part, sparky..
>
> Hey, at least he's HEARD of the Big Dipper. That puts him ahead of most
> right wing morons.
Well, past his usual moving goal-posts, one gets the impression
that he's obliquely referring to Polaris, instead of addressing
the sequence of events leading up to Betelgeuse going SN..
--Or how long it takes for the light to get here..
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:31:30 -0600, 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09 replied to:
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:40:26 -0600, Man_of_Mind wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/22/2011 2:31 PM, Sleaze <semen...@right-wing.zealot.gop> whined:
>>>> Nope that's not why... but nice try, Dummy...
>>>
>>> Still sniveling and moving the goal-posts..
>>>
>>> *>LOL!<*
>>>
>>> Crayon, you rank below "novice" in matters of astronomy, so why do you
>>> have to try to act like you know anything at all?
>>>
>>> Example follows..
>>>
>>>> but anyone with navigation experience will more easily spot Ursa Major
>>>> (the big dipper).
>>>
>>> The original concept was that Betelgeuse was about to go SN (supernova)
>>> and would light up the night skies from the Orion constellation..
>>>
>>> --Sorry you missed that part, sparky..
>>
>> Hey, at least he's HEARD of the Big Dipper. That puts him ahead of most
>> right wing morons.
>
> "Big Bear is important to sailors since above about 30 North,
>
> But, since I -was- talking to novices, Steve can go stuff himself."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/5bc4318a5b94d64c?hl=en&
Poor "steve".. Still whining about how Zepp bests his pathetic
right-wing twaddle without even trying.. *>LOL!<*
--Figured out that 'platform token' thingie yet, crayon?
Lich Nutz
> --Or how long it takes for the light to get here..
ubject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:46:55 GMT
Quote:
Hi Kurt,
To add to some people's idea that the Greys look like
insects, I'm reminded of an article in the most recent
UDO Magazine in which a man describes an encounter
with beings that looked like insects to him.
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I 'll be happy to sent you a copy of this article if
you want it.
Hmm, I'm wondering how you'll send it to me, I presume
US Snail-mail so here's the address....
500 S. State #40
Edmond, OK 73034
I got ahold of a copy of Strieber's Majestic and find
most of it to be interesting. I still get the impression
that the Roswell debris was hijacked in mid-air and that
the government officialdom is still quite embarrassed.
Lich Nutz
> --Figured out that 'platform token' thingie yet, crayon?
ubject: Re: The Coverup
Ray Fischer
The Wikipedia article says that hypernovae are the result of stars
that have masses 100 to 300 times that of the sun.
Phlip
> insects, I'm reminded of an article in the most recent
> UDO Magazine in which a man describes an encounter
> with beings that looked like insects to him.
Humans sure are creative, huh?