Boy Jailed for Writing Scary Essay
Greg Dean
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NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
PONDER, Texas (AP) — A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending five
days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon said
after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
``I was supposed to write a horror story. I don't think I did anything
wrong.''
His English teacher, Amanda Henry, thought he did such a good job that she
gave him an ``A,'' plus extra credit for reading it aloud in class.
The seventh-grader's story, written in first person and with misspellings,
included a passage in which he becomes angry and ``acssedently shot Mrs.
Henry.''
Some parents named in the essay worried that Christopher might harm their
children. Ponder High School Principal Chance Allen called authorities, and
deputies removed Christopher from school last Thursday.
Christopher's mother, Jan Beamon, said she met with a vice principal that
morning and had no idea her son would be treated as a criminal.
``I left for work. Chris left for class. And then I got a phone call that
he was in juvenile detention,'' Ms. Beamon said this morning on NBC's
``Today.''
School superintendent Byron Welch told NBC the outcome would have been
different if Christopher had used fictional names. ``The fact that we're
dealing with real people, named specifically in the classroom, that is a
real problem,'' he said.
Denton County Juvenile Court Judge Darlene Whitten ordered Christopher
detained for 10 days after reviewing his school disciplinary records. She
approved the early release after the family's attorneys demanded his
freedom, journalists began highlighting the case and the district attorney
said he didn't want to prosecute.
The judge wouldn't discuss specifics of the case but said she takes any
threatening statement seriously.
The family's lawyer, William Short, said Ms. Beamon wanted Christopher
publicly identified to call attention to an injustice. ``It's insane,'' he
said of the boy's confinement.
Christopher and his mother said students were told to write an imaginary
story about being home alone in the dark and hearing noises.
``It looks like to me the child was doing what the teacher told him to do,
which was to write a scary story,'' County District Attorney Bruce Isaacks
said. ``But this child does appear to be a persistent discipline problem
for this school, and the administrators there were legitimately
concerned.''
However, for the last six-week period in the writing class, Christopher's
teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of Dallas.
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Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
Tommy T-Rex
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> Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
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>
> days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
> assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
>
> ``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon said
> after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
>
-snip-
>
> However, for the last six-week period in the writing class, Christopher's
> teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
>
> Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of
Dallas.
>
>
> -----
> Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
> taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
> their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
>
He should've gotten an F for his terrible use of the English language.
This is insane. The boy writes a story, goes to jail, but gets an A using
horrible English.
Go figure!!! Only in Leftist America!!!
--
Tommy T-Rex VRWC Member
>
Tommy T-Rex
news:7vq0i2$cbc$1...@nw003t.infi.net...
On second thought, was his nickname SILVERBACK???
Krow
are less concerned about what the content was, or the fact that the kid was
suspended for the content, but with what grade the kid got on the damn
paper? Focus, people, focus.
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Zepp <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:08:05 GMT, "Greg Dean" <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=TNMAR
> >
> >NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
> >
> >Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >PONDER, Texas (AP) - A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending five
> >days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
> >assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
> >
> >``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon
said
> >after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
> >
> >However, for the last six-week period in the writing class, Christopher's
> >teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
> >
> >Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of
Dallas.
> >
> >
> >-----
> >Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
> >taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
> >their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
>
> Poor Dino: "If I don't LIKE it, it must be LIB-uh-uh-uh-RAL! [sniff,
> wimper]". That's Dino's philosophy in a nutshell.
>
> A farm town about 40 miles from Dallas. Yeah. Lotsa liberals there.
> You betcha.
>
> You dumb asshole.
> >
> >
>
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Greg Dean
: >> NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
: >>
: >> Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
: >>
: >> PONDER, Texas (AP) - A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending
five
: >> days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
: >> assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
: >>
: >> ``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon
said
: >> after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
: >
: >-snip-
: >
: >>
: >> However, for the last six-week period in the writing class,
Christopher's
: >> teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
: >>
: >> Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of
: >Dallas.
: >>
: >>
: >> -----
: >> Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
: >> taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
: >> their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
: >He should've gotten an F for his terrible use of the English language.
: >This is insane. The boy writes a story, goes to jail, but gets an A
using
: >horrible English.
: >
: >Go figure!!! Only in Leftist America!!!
: Does the name "Columbine" ring a bell, numb nuts?
So, Mr Kennemur, does this mean that all the fighting for
1st amendment rights that were done in the '60s were
done in vain? Remember the free speech movement
at Berkley?
It seems like liberals are regretting everything they fought
for.
Zepp
>
>http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=TNMAR
>
>NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
>
>Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
>
>
>
>
>PONDER, Texas (AP) — A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending five
>days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
>assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
>
>``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon said
>after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
>
>However, for the last six-week period in the writing class, Christopher's
>teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
>
>Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of Dallas.
>
>
>-----
>Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
>taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
>their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
Poor Dino: "If I don't LIKE it, it must be LIB-uh-uh-uh-RAL! [sniff,
familyvalues
news:7vr0ni$krh$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET...
> Anybody else see the irony in the fact that the conservative posts so far
> are less concerned about what the content was, or the fact that the kid
was
> suspended for the content, but with what grade the kid got on the damn
> paper? Focus, people, focus.
>
Irony my ass. It's called "diversions". If they blink their eyes hard
enough, maybe it'll go away for them.
silverback
<tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Tommy T-Rex <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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>> Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=TNMAR
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>> > NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
>> >
>> > Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > PONDER, Texas (AP) - A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending
>five
>> > days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
>> > assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
>> >
>> > ``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon
>said
>> > after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
>> >
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> >
>> > However, for the last six-week period in the writing class,
>Christopher's
>> > teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
>> >
>> > Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of
>> Dallas.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----
>> > Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
>> > taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
>> > their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
>> >
>>
>> He should've gotten an F for his terrible use of the English language.
>> This is insane. The boy writes a story, goes to jail, but gets an A
>using
>> horrible English.
>>
>> Go figure!!! Only in Leftist America!!!
>>
>
>On second thought, was his nickname SILVERBACK???
looks like I got tommy spooked.<snicker>
>
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Here is the story from the Drudge site....
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
-quote
Christopher Beamon, a 13-year-old seventh-grader in the Texas town of
Ponder, got a 100 score from his teacher for a Halloween horror-story
writing assignment. Authorities detained him on suspicion of making
terroristic threats and held him in juvenile detention from Thursday until
Tuesday, the DALLAS MORNING NEWS reported on Tuesday.
In fresh editions, the paper reprints the story as Christopher wrote it:
My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot
Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
didn't have any heads.
END
-endquote
What do you think about it, Silverback?
Tommy T-Rex
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>
And I thought you supported the 1st Amendment. Silly me.
Tommy T-Rex
> are less concerned about what the content was, or the fact that the kid
was
> suspended for the content, but with what grade the kid got on the damn
> paper? Focus, people, focus.
>
> --
>
> Krow
> A Flying Weasel
Welcome, Krow, to BIG BROTHER. And to think, you guys fought during the
60's, 70's, and 80's to prevent this very kind of thing.... now you are the
very ones doing it!!!
(that is... watching what people say and think and punishing them for
it......egads!!!).
It was only a Halloween essay for heaven's sake!! Can you say LAWSUIT???
I knew you could!!)
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
: Greg Dean <N9...@AMSAT.org> wrote in message
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: > http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOME&SITE=TNMAR
: >
: > NOVEMBER 03, 10:48 EST
: >
: > Boy Jailed, Freed for Scary Essay
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > PONDER, Texas (AP) - A 13-year-old boy has been freed after spending five
: > days in custody because the Halloween horror story he wrote as a school
: > assignment described shooting a teacher and two classmates.
: >
: > ``It seems like a year ago, a big ol' long year,'' Christopher Beamon said
: > after a judge ordered him released Tuesday from a juvenile facility.
: >
: -snip-
: >
: > However, for the last six-week period in the writing class, Christopher's
: > teacher called him ``an outstanding student'' on his report card.
: >
: > Ponder is a farm town of about 500 residents, 40 miles northwest of
: Dallas.
: >
: >
: > -----
: > Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
: > taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
: > their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
: >
: He should've gotten an F for his terrible use of the English language.
: This is insane. The boy writes a story, goes to jail, but gets an A using
: horrible English.
: Go figure!!! Only in Leftist America!!!
Because rightwing America is busy firing all the good teachers who think
creationism is a joke and say so in class. I'll bet the fat, lying
demagogue, limbaugh, won't mention that Washington Post front page story
today.
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silverback
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>silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:55:49 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Tommy T-Rex <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>> >news:7vq0i2$cbc$1...@nw003t.infi.net...
you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
school with a discipline problem.
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> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
-snip-
> >
> >What do you think about it, Silverback?
>
> you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> school with a discipline problem.
>
And for that he gets a week in jail?
Krow
just the paper, either. You should certainly keep your ignorant
generalizations to yourself.
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use his name in death."
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Tommy T-Rex <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> Krow <kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7vr0ni$krh$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET...
> > Anybody else see the irony in the fact that the conservative posts so
far
> > are less concerned about what the content was, or the fact that the kid
> was
> > suspended for the content, but with what grade the kid got on the damn
> > paper? Focus, people, focus.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Krow
> > A Flying Weasel
>
> Welcome, Krow, to BIG BROTHER. And to think, you guys fought during the
> 60's, 70's, and 80's to prevent this very kind of thing.... now you are
the
> very ones doing it!!!
>
> (that is... watching what people say and think and punishing them for
> it......egads!!!).
>
> It was only a Halloween essay for heaven's sake!! Can you say LAWSUIT???
> I knew you could!!)
>
Duane K. Kelly
>
> silverback wrote:
>
> >
> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> > school with a discipline problem.
>
> with my kids name in it would scare me!
What scares me even more than having one of my kids named in this essay,
as I really don't see that this kid has an imagination vast enough to
come up with any fictitious names, it is the grade the teacher gave him,
his liberal idea of drug usage. The grade only reflect the idea that he
is a liberal teachers wet dream... now that scares me to death.
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Message-ID: <3825a88a...@209.63.224.240>
The "sex-act gone wrong":
A thirteen year old was raped repeatedly over a period of hours,
including with foreign objects. While the rapes were occurring, the boy
was bound with duct tape at his ankles, knees and wrists and also was
gagged with his own underware, and blindfolded. There is some evidence
the boy was drugged, and the two men raped Dirkhising at least six
times. The young lad was left bound and gagged after the last rape while
the two men went to get a sandwich to eat. When the men returned they
found the boy, apparently dead, and made the 911 emergency call. ...When
asked about the tape, they told the officers they were "just playing a
game".
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/30/news/0930obits.html
http://www.nwamorningnews.com/1999/september/28/news/0928sissom.shtml
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silverback
<tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>
>> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
>
>-snip-
>
>> >
>> >What do you think about it, Silverback?
>>
>> you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> school with a discipline problem.
>>
>
>And for that he gets a week in jail?
um so you want to bury yer head and pretend he is not a problem until
you can stack up another dozen or so dead classmates of him? I don't
know about a week in jail, but a visit to a shrink seems to be in
order here. I would rather see some type of intervention than I
another dozen dead kids. At least a valuation would be in order to
determine if this was just a hoax or if he really did harbor such
thoughts and might act on them.
But sadly that seems to be missing in all the reports I have read
about it. The funny part of that is that it doesn't surprise me.
>
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>
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> >
> > I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that
story
> > with my kids name in it would scare me!
>
essay,
> as I really don't see that this kid has an imagination vast enough to
> come up with any fictitious names, it is the grade the teacher gave
him,
> his liberal idea of drug usage. The grade only reflect the idea that
he
> is a liberal teachers wet dream... now that scares me to death.
>
According to subsequent news stories, the boy never received an "A" (or
any grade) on the essay; yet somehow this inaccurate tidbit got into the
story that was carried by the papers. According to the latest reports,
any student who read his essay aloud was given extra credit; the boy in
question read his paper aloud (before the teacher had ever seen it), and
for that reason received credit.
Of course, his grammar was, if anything, far better than Duane's in the
above post.
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Pop Kulcher
frank...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I heard Rush read the essay on the radio today. I could not stop
> laughing because the teacher gave the kid a grade of 100. How come
the
> teacher was not arrested, fined or fired for incompetence?
>
> I found the section where the kid talked about sniffing freon more
> disturbing than the shooting portion of the essay. Where does a 13
> year old get the idea to sniff transmission fluid and freon? What
> criteria did the English teacher use to describe the young man as an
> "outstanding student"?
>
What's scarier -- kids getting jail time for school assignments, or
people getting their news from Rush? Had you gone beyond Rush's fine,
objective news coverage you would have learned that the student did NOT
receive a grade of 100. His essay itself was not graded. The students
were told than anyone who got up in class and read his/her story would
get 100 extra credit points (no idea how much significant that is in
terms of the student's total grade). The student in question got up and
read his essay (which the teacher had not yet seen). Hence the 100
points.
Pop Kulcher
> Now it looks like first amendment rights are being
> taken from our students. Even the liberals are turning
> their backs on the gains they made in the '60s.
Where do you get the idea that this is the work of liberals? The
incident took place in a small farm town -- not exactly a hotbed of
rampant liberalism. And which organization do you think has taken the
leading role in representing students who are being punished for speech
in the wake of Littleton? The "liberal" ACLU, of course.
The high profile school shootings over the past two years have led to a
huge overreaction and the curtailment of students' First Amendment
rights; a disturbing essay which might have in the past led to a
student-teacher conference is now leading to jail time. This is hardly
a "liberal" action. To the contrary, some of the blame lies squarely at
the feet of the conservatives: each time there is a tragedy of gun
violence, the gun nuts make that nothing is done about the guns
themselves. Forget safety locks and other gun control measures; just
lock up the kids who write disturbing essays.
Tommy T-Rex
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
> >
> >-snip-
> >
> >> >
> >> >What do you think about it, Silverback?
> >>
> >> you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> >> school with a discipline problem.
> >>
> >
> >And for that he gets a week in jail?
>
> um so you want to bury yer head and pretend he is not a problem until
> you can stack up another dozen or so dead classmates of him? I don't
> know about a week in jail, but a visit to a shrink seems to be in
> order here. I would rather see some type of intervention than I
> another dozen dead kids. At least a valuation would be in order to
> determine if this was just a hoax or if he really did harbor such
> thoughts and might act on them.
> But sadly that seems to be missing in all the reports I have read
> about it. The funny part of that is that it doesn't surprise me.
Only in Russia.... opppssss China.... opppsss the USA.
Tommy T-Rex
news:38223782...@home.com...
> silverback wrote:
>
> >
> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> > school with a discipline problem.
>
> with my kids name in it would scare me!
Re-reading the essay, I came to the conclusion that he did not mean that he
shot the 3 classmates. I think he left out a period ending the sentence
before that.
-original....
My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot
Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
didn't have any heads.
- now with the period inserted before Matt, Jake, and Ben
My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot.
<-here it is
Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
didn't have any heads.
That would make sense of the next sentence, where he accidentally shots the
teacher. The other boy shots at someone messing with their freon stash.
What scares me is their fetish with getting high.... on FREON????
hamilton
> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com...
> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >
> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com...
> > >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
> > >
> > >-snip-
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >What do you think about it, Silverback?
> > >>
> > >> you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> > >> school with a discipline problem.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And for that he gets a week in jail?
> >
> > um so you want to bury yer head and pretend he is not a problem until
> > you can stack up another dozen or so dead classmates of him? I don't
> > know about a week in jail, but a visit to a shrink seems to be in
> > order here. I would rather see some type of intervention than I
> > another dozen dead kids. At least a valuation would be in order to
> > determine if this was just a hoax or if he really did harbor such
> > thoughts and might act on them.
> > But sadly that seems to be missing in all the reports I have read
> > about it. The funny part of that is that it doesn't surprise me.
lets see -- the teacher assigned the essay -- a h orror story about
hearing a scarey sound outside your door -- SHE gave him and A and had
him read the silly thing in class -- OTHER people decided he was a threat
and arrested him. You really think if your kid did what the teacher asked
and was rewarded for it that you would think it fine that he was thrown
in jail for this expression for 5 days. Do I think he should have been
counseled -- perhaps -- Should the parents have gotten involved -- sure --
but to throw the kid in jail? What lessons are kids learning there?
Steve La Joie
>
> silverback wrote:
>
> >
> > school with a discipline problem.
>
> with my kids name in it would scare me!
Silverback is scary. He's a problem child in the Usenet.
Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
sure he'll agree it's necessary.
Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
think it'll be good for him.
silverback
wrote:
>
>
>> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com...
>> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com...
>> > >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
>> > >
>> > >-snip-
>> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >What do you think about it, Silverback?
>> > >>
>> > >> you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> > >> school with a discipline problem.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >And for that he gets a week in jail?
>> >
>> > um so you want to bury yer head and pretend he is not a problem until
>> > you can stack up another dozen or so dead classmates of him? I don't
>> > know about a week in jail, but a visit to a shrink seems to be in
>> > order here. I would rather see some type of intervention than I
>> > another dozen dead kids. At least a valuation would be in order to
>> > determine if this was just a hoax or if he really did harbor such
>> > thoughts and might act on them.
>> > But sadly that seems to be missing in all the reports I have read
>> > about it. The funny part of that is that it doesn't surprise me.
>
>lets see -- the teacher assigned the essay -- a h orror story about
>hearing a scarey sound outside your door -- SHE gave him and A and had
> him read the silly thing in class -- OTHER people decided he was a threat
>and arrested him. You really think if your kid did what the teacher asked
>and was rewarded for it that you would think it fine that he was thrown
>in jail for this expression for 5 days. Do I think he should have been
>counseled -- perhaps -- Should the parents have gotten involved -- sure --
>but to throw the kid in jail? What lessons are kids learning there?
reread what I wrote loon, nowhere did I condone the week in jail. In
fact my very words were "I don't know about the week in jail"
Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
a "threat" to their kid? i don't know if this kid is unbalanced or if
he just wrote a good essay fullfilling the requirements, but if he had
past problems with discipline and I was one of the other parents I
would sure and hell want someone to figure out if the kid was
unbalanced or not.
silverback
<tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:38223782...@home.com...
>> silverback wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> > school with a discipline problem.
>>
>> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>
>Re-reading the essay, I came to the conclusion that he did not mean that he
>shot the 3 classmates. I think he left out a period ending the sentence
>before that.
maybe so, but that sounds like a blind leap in faith.
*****************************************************
Freedom4All
> Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
>a "threat" to their kid?
Based on the story this kid is already a lost soul. He obviously thinks
getting high on whatever drug or substance is available is just good fun. I
think the system went way overboard in putting him in jail. But there is
obviously a serious problem with that kid.
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Bill Bonde
Zepp wrote:
>>
> I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
> the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
> don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
> propaganda.
>
So you don't think that sniffing glue and chemicals is dangerous? I
guess we are learning more about how you've come up with your other
ideas.
> It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid. I hope
> the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him into stopping
> writing.
>
Was it worth an A? I mean, come on, give me a break.
"Shots"? You might want to go back to 6th grade too.
> >>What scares me is their fetish with getting high.... on FREON????
> >>
>
Well, Ismael didn't show up with the dope but than he was there and shot
a bunch of people. This kid can't even keep the names of his characters
straight. He'll probably run for president one day.
Bill Bonde
Krow wrote:
>
> Ever read Faulkner? Salinger? How about Anthony Burgess?
>
What part of what I wrote are you responding to? The part about not
being able to keep characters straight while huffing freon?
> --
>
> Krow
> A Flying Weasel
> *updated* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5969/
> =======================================================
> "If Jesus saves, he better save himself from the gory glory seekers who
> use his name in death."
> -Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
> =======================================================
> "I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her."
> --Henny Youngman
> =======================================================
> When we get control of that National Endowment for the Arts, you shut
> it down, fumigate the building and put the I.R.S. in there."
> -Pat Buchanan
> =======================================================
> Bill Bonde <std...@geocities.com> wrote in message
> news:3824FC91...@geocities.com...
Zepp
wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:32:46 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
><tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>>Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
>>news:38223782...@home.com...
>>> silverback wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>>> > school with a discipline problem.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>>> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>>
>>Re-reading the essay, I came to the conclusion that he did not mean that he
>>shot the 3 classmates. I think he left out a period ending the sentence
>>before that.
>
>maybe so, but that sounds like a blind leap in faith.
>>
I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
propaganda.
It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid. I hope
the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him into stopping
writing.
>>What scares me is their fetish with getting high.... on FREON????
>>
>>--
>>
>>Tommy T-Rex VRWC Member
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Gary Carroll
> What scares me even more ... is the grade the teacher gave him...
You know, it occurs to me that if the kid had been a model student with
good grammar and spelling skills and he deliberately faked the grammar
and spelling, the drug attitudes, etc. to write a scary story, he SHOULD
have gotten an excellent grade. Faulkner would be proud of that effort.
But if this is reflective of real daydreams, he has a problem.
And I don't have enough information to tell which.
Krow
story are what's scary to him, I'd say that's pretty normal. It would be
more disturbing if it WASN'T supposed to be scary.
--
Krow
A Flying Weasel
*updated* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5969/
=======================================================
"If Jesus saves, he better save himself from the gory glory seekers who
use his name in death."
-Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
=======================================================
"I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her."
--Henny Youngman
=======================================================
When we get control of that National Endowment for the Arts, you shut
it down, fumigate the building and put the I.R.S. in there."
-Pat Buchanan
=======================================================
Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3825043F...@home.com...
Krow
--
Krow
A Flying Weasel
*updated* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5969/
=======================================================
"If Jesus saves, he better save himself from the gory glory seekers who
use his name in death."
-Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
=======================================================
"I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her."
--Henny Youngman
=======================================================
When we get control of that National Endowment for the Arts, you shut
it down, fumigate the building and put the I.R.S. in there."
-Pat Buchanan
=======================================================
Bill Bonde <std...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:3824FC91...@geocities.com...
> Was it worth an A? I mean, come on, give me a break.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Shots"? You might want to go back to 6th grade too.
>
>
>
> > >>What scares me is their fetish with getting high.... on FREON????
> > >>
> >
Tommy T-Rex
news:38230A2A...@eskimo.com...
> Gary Carroll wrote:
> >
> > silverback wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> > > school with a discipline problem.
> >
> > I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
> > with my kids name in it would scare me!
>
>
> Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
> sure he'll agree it's necessary.
>
> Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
> think it'll be good for him.
Please don't do that!!!!! That would be cruel and unusual punishment for
the other prisoners!!!!
Tommy T-Rex VRWC Member
silverback
>On 5 Nov 1999 16:42:41 GMT, gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com (silverback)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:32:46 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>><tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
>>>news:38223782...@home.com...
>>>> silverback wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>>>> > school with a discipline problem.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>>>> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>>>
>>>Re-reading the essay, I came to the conclusion that he did not mean that he
>>>shot the 3 classmates. I think he left out a period ending the sentence
>>>before that.
>>
>>maybe so, but that sounds like a blind leap in faith.
>>>
>I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
>the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
>don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
>propaganda.
>
could be specially in a rural area in the midwest. They still believe
one joint turns someone into an axe murderer.
Tommy T-Rex
news:7vv1a9$sr5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <7vq63o$cva$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> frank...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I heard Rush read the essay on the radio today. I could not stop
> > laughing because the teacher gave the kid a grade of 100. How come
> the
> > teacher was not arrested, fined or fired for incompetence?
> >
> > I found the section where the kid talked about sniffing freon more
> > disturbing than the shooting portion of the essay. Where does a 13
> > year old get the idea to sniff transmission fluid and freon? What
> > criteria did the English teacher use to describe the young man as an
> > "outstanding student"?
> >
>
> What's scarier -- kids getting jail time for school assignments, or
> people getting their news from Rush? Had you gone beyond Rush's fine,
> objective news coverage you would have learned that the student did NOT
> receive a grade of 100. His essay itself was not graded. The students
> were told than anyone who got up in class and read his/her story would
> get 100 extra credit points (no idea how much significant that is in
> terms of the student's total grade). The student in question got up and
> read his essay (which the teacher had not yet seen). Hence the 100
> points.
You've now mentioned this TWICE.... please give a reputable cite where this
can be verified.
Tommy T-Rex VRWC Member
Tommy T-Rex
news:7vr0ni$krh$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET...
> Anybody else see the irony in the fact that the conservative posts so far
> are less concerned about what the content was, or the fact that the kid
was
> suspended for the content, but with what grade the kid got on the damn
> paper? Focus, people, focus.
>
I'm focused... focused on how this essay is an OUTSTANDING example of the
DUMBING DOWN of Education by the Liberals, NEA, and the 40 years of
wonderful leadership by our Democrats in Congress.
'Nuff said.
Tommy T-Rex VRWC Member
snic...@divinefart.com
>Ever read Faulkner? Salinger? How about Anthony Burgess?
He's probably limited to Scaife Approved titles and authors.
==========================================================================
Will you PLEASE stop this person from changing the name of EVERY thread so
that it includes the word DIVINEFART and has nothing to do with the
original subject. He then make a lot of harassing comments, calls people
names, etc. This has been going on for months now. Several others have
written to ask you to stop this and yet it continues. Do you ALLOW this
type of harassment from your posters? Please let me know what your policy
is in this regard. Just a few examples below Thank you.
Duane K. Kelly
>
> Precisely. He was told to write a scary story. If the elements in his
> story are what's scary to him, I'd say that's pretty normal. It would be
> more disturbing if it WASN'T supposed to be scary.
Excellent point.
> --
>
> Krow
> A Flying Weasel
> *updated* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5969/
> =======================================================
> "If Jesus saves, he better save himself from the gory glory seekers who
> use his name in death."
> -Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
> =======================================================
> "I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her."
> --Henny Youngman
> =======================================================
> When we get control of that National Endowment for the Arts, you shut
> it down, fumigate the building and put the I.R.S. in there."
> -Pat Buchanan
> =======================================================
> Gary Carroll <garyc...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3825043F...@home.com...
> > "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> >
> > > What scares me even more ... is the grade the teacher gave him...
> >
> > You know, it occurs to me that if the kid had been a model student with
> > good grammar and spelling skills and he deliberately faked the grammar
> > and spelling, the drug attitudes, etc. to write a scary story, he SHOULD
> > have gotten an excellent grade. Faulkner would be proud of that effort.
> > But if this is reflective of real daydreams, he has a problem.
> >
> > And I don't have enough information to tell which.
--
========================================================
I really have to laugh, as I noted you don't have the slightest idea
what the difference is between an individual choice, and a government
mandated law. The Civil right laws are just as much Jim Crow as the Jim
Crow laws. Both strip away individual choice, and impose a government
mandate. Jim Crow requited all blacks be treated the same. Civil Rights
requires all blacks be treated the same. Both are demeaning to blacks;
Jim Crow by forced segregation implying blacks are inferior, Civil
Rights by the Bell Curve implying blacks are inferior. Neither
recognized personal choice, rights, or achievement. -- 11/03/1999
3:58:27 AM
========================================================
Freedom4All
>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
You've got to be kidding.
>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
>into stopping writing.
With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
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OldSalt
wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>
>>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
>
>>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
>>into stopping writing.
>
> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
>
No...you've got to be kidding. With your attitude, writers like Dean
Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around. I
guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
The boy was told to write a scarey story and he did. Sheesh !!
Freedom4All
>With your attitude, writers like Dean
>Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.
Are you seriously trying to compare the story written by the kid to
those authors? I realize I was in school a long time ago, but long before
we were 13 none of my teachers would have accepted a paper that was so
poorly written. It would have gotten an F.
>I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
I have no reason to even think about Teletubbies and Pokemon. There is
no such thing as the devil.
>The boy was told to write a scarey story and he did.
Sounded more like a typical day in the ghetto to me.
j
>Zepp wrote:
>> I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
>> the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
>> don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
>> propaganda.
>>
>So you don't think that sniffing glue and chemicals is dangerous? I
>guess we are learning more about how you've come up with your other
>ideas.
Yes ... it's dangerous. It's also a reality. Are you suggesting
that there are "forbidden subjects" - things which must never
be discussed without the "guidance" of state-approved
propagandists ???
Hmmm ... paint-sniffing / police-state ... I'm afraid I must
pick the lesser of evils here. No goal is so grand as to
justify the extermination of our constitutional liberties.
Put away your "little red book" - that's not how free men live.
-j
OldSalt
wrote:
> Are you seriously trying to compare the story written by the kid to
>those authors? I realize I was in school a long time ago, but long before
>we were 13 none of my teachers would have accepted a paper that was so
>poorly written. It would have gotten an F.
>
Which stories by these authors are *tamer* then a school shooting ?
King's "Misery" where the lady cuts off the author's foot and holds
him hostage ? King's "It" where a clown comes out of the sewer and
kills children ? King's "Pet Cemetary" where the ppl go nuts after
a while and bury their dead in a certain unholy place so that they can
come back as zombies ? King's "Delores Claiborne" where the lady
kills her husband by pushing him into a well ? King's "The Shining"
where the father goes bonkers and takes a hatchet and a chainsaw
to his wife and his young son ? Or any of King's stories where the
entire town goes insane ie. "Tommyknockers", "Salem's Lot",
"Children of the Corn", etc. Or perhaps Barker's "Hellraiser" is
better with ppl messing with a lil black box that sends demons to peel
their skin off, pierce them with needles and otherwise torture them ?
Koontz's stories of aliens and devils and lab experiments gone awry ?
Geeze....we are talking about a 13 yr old kid here right ? So he
doesn't have the imagination enough to come up with some of the above
mentioned themes BUT, with all the talk about shootings nowadays, I
bet there are plenty of kids out there who have nightmares about
school shootings and find that pretty dam scarey subject matter !!
So, you have seen it to say it was poorly written ? Please post it
here if so cause I haven't. I've only heard about it. Apparently,
his teacher liked it. I heard he got an A.
>>The boy was told to write a scarey story and he did.
>
> Sounded more like a typical day in the ghetto to me.
>
Sorry but I come from a middle class background and a day in the
ghetto *would* be a true horror story for me. You saying it would
be a picnic for you ????
Zepp
wrote:
>
>
>Krow wrote:
>>
>> Ever read Faulkner? Salinger? How about Anthony Burgess?
>>
>What part of what I wrote are you responding to? The part about not
>being able to keep characters straight while huffing freon?
Maybe the part about characters doing things that are illegal or
immoral, or even just outside the bounds of what church ladies
consider polite behavior.
I wonder if Bonde is a big fan of John Wayne movies...
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Zepp
wrote:
>
>
>Zepp wrote:
>>>
>> I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
>> the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
>> don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
>> propaganda.
>>
>So you don't think that sniffing glue and chemicals is dangerous? I
>guess we are learning more about how you've come up with your other
>ideas.
I don't approve of whaling, either. That doesn't mean Moby Dick has
no literary merit.
Kids huff, and no, I don't like it. But it happens, and that makes it
a legitimate element to have in a story.
>
>
>
>> It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid. I hope
>> the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him into stopping
>> writing.
>>
>Was it worth an A? I mean, come on, give me a break.
>
>
>
>
>
>"Shots"? You might want to go back to 6th grade too.
>
>
>
>> >>What scares me is their fetish with getting high.... on FREON????
>> >>
>>
>Well, Ismael didn't show up with the dope but than he was there and shot
>a bunch of people. This kid can't even keep the names of his characters
>straight. He'll probably run for president one day.
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Freedom4All
>Which stories by these authors are *tamer* then a school shooting ?
I don't read those authors, not into that type of fiction.
>Geeze....we are talking about a 13 yr old kid here right ?
I'm not so old that I don't remember what was expected of us at that
age. Something like what he wrote would have gotten an F.
>So, you have seen it to say it was poorly written ? Please post it
>here if so cause I haven't. I've only heard about it. Apparently,
>his teacher liked it. I heard he got an A.
Here it is. You tell me if you think it deserved an A.
My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot
Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
didn't have any heads.
>Sorry but I come from a middle class background and a day in the
>ghetto *would* be a true horror story for me. You saying it would
>be a picnic for you ????
Nope, I come from the same background as you and have always chosen to
live in small communities so I wouldn't have contact with that sort of
environment. I agree with you that life in the large inner cities would be
a horror. My complaints with the story is with the grammar and the
spelling.
OldSalt
wrote:
> Here it is. You tell me if you think it deserved an A.
>
>My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
>very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
>walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
>went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
>through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
>in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
>supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
>still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
>and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
>and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
>hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
>the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
>someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
>busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
>the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
>to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot
>Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
>Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
>the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
>and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
>didn't have any heads.
>
ROFLMAOOOO !!! THIS is what caused such a problem ?? <laughing
here> Well, I have to agree that the grammer is pretty bad. Gotta
love the last line, ".....and everything was back to normal but they
didn't have any heads." Oh geeze !
> Nope, I come from the same background as you and have always chosen to
>live in small communities so I wouldn't have contact with that sort of
>environment. I agree with you that life in the large inner cities would be
>a horror. My complaints with the story is with the grammar and the
>spelling.
>
Well maybe the teacher graded it on a curve. hahahahaha
Bob Crawford
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>
> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
>
No...you've got to be kidding. With your attitude, writers like Dean
Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.
Well, if the little monster is ever going to be a writer of any sort, he better learn just a little about spelling, grammar, etc.
Based on the content, I think the kid needs some form of counseling.
Based on format, I'd say he needs to be in a "special ed" class.
No way that deserves a passing grade, much less a perfect one.
I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
The boy was told to write a scarey [sic] story and he did. Sheesh !!
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Freedom4All
>ROFLMAOOOO !!! THIS is what caused such a problem ?? <laughing
>here>
I have to agree with you on that. Why this became a national story is a
disgrace. But it is all part of the touchy-feely oriented society.
When I was in school it was common to include classmates names in our
stories. I don't recall ever seeing or writing one in which the classmates
were killed or in which I was shooting a gun. In my day and age the thing
we would have probably been given the most grief about was using the phrase
'pissed me off' in a school assignment.
>Gotta
>love the last line, ".....and everything was back to normal but they
>didn't have any heads." Oh geeze !
I don't understand the last line at all. In the line before that he
stated that everybody had scattered and gone home so who is the 'they'
without heads?
>Well maybe the teacher graded it on a curve. hahahahaha
I'd really hate to see a poorly written story using this scale.
Zepp
wrote:
>OldSalt wrote in message <38259a4e...@news.fast.net>...
>
>>With your attitude, writers like Dean
>>Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.
>
> Are you seriously trying to compare the story written by the kid to
>those authors? I realize I was in school a long time ago, but long before
>we were 13 none of my teachers would have accepted a paper that was so
>poorly written. It would have gotten an F.
I suspect you would be shocked and ashamed at your own efforts when
you were 13.
Ever read Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series? His first one, the
title novel, was written when King was 17, and King admits that he
went through and did substantial tidying--especially spelling, grammar
and punctuation errors--before it was fit to publish. And at that, it
was clear that he hadn't really found his Voice yet, and was kinda
batting around the edges, lots of raw talent and no definition.
And there is a huge difference between 17 and 13.
>
>>I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
>
> I have no reason to even think about Teletubbies and Pokemon. There is
>no such thing as the devil.
>
>>The boy was told to write a scarey story and he did.
>
> Sounded more like a typical day in the ghetto to me.
>
>--
>I think the President committed perjury.
> - George Stephanopoulos - Nightline - January 15, 1999
>
>NSA CIA BATF FBI USA USN USAF USMC USCG IRS DOD OKC NASA UFO
>Waco Ruby Ridge Oklahoma City Bill Clinton Al Gore
>Janet Reno Horiuchi Koresh davidian posse comitatus
>Randy Weaver special forces Hillary Delta Force whitewater
>Vince Foster revolution people's freedom fighter militia tnt
>nuclear top secret AK-47 AR-15 PPK M16 explosive fertilizer
>fuel oil aircraft highjack drugs cocaine heroin marijuana
>smuggle customs arson capitol terrorist HCI SPLC SS police
>pipe bomb bridge US Mail abortion draft board civil war
>saren bubonic anthrax agent orange DDT minuteman Nazi LSD
>assault rifle drug
>
>
>
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OldSalt
wrote:
> I have to agree with you on that. Why this became a national story is a
>disgrace. But it is all part of the touchy-feely oriented society.
I don't even know what to say about that. <shaking my head>
>
> When I was in school it was common to include classmates names in our
>stories. I don't recall ever seeing or writing one in which the classmates
>were killed or in which I was shooting a gun. In my day and age the thing
>we would have probably been given the most grief about was using the phrase
>'pissed me off' in a school assignment.
Well..no..I don't think we would have written about shooting
classmates. And I know for sure that if I wrote "pissed me off",
the teacher would have called my parents, even if I was in high
school.
>
> I don't understand the last line at all. In the line before that he
>stated that everybody had scattered and gone home so who is the 'they'
>without heads?
Maybe he meant those who were shot or meant the whole thing was
only a bad trip from huffing ? LOL
> I'd really hate to see a poorly written story using this scale.
>
Agreed.
Bob Crawford
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:42:16 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
wrote:
> Are you seriously trying to compare the story written by the kid to
>those authors? I realize I was in school a long time ago, but long before
>we were 13 none of my teachers would have accepted a paper that was so
>poorly written. It would have gotten an F.
>
Which stories by these authors are *tamer* then a school shooting ?
The "F" would be warranted for grammar, spelling, composition, etc. Content need not even enter into it.
Have you actually read what this kid wrote?
[...snip, snip, snip...]
So, you have seen it to say it was poorly written ? Please post it
here if so cause I haven't. I've only heard about it. Apparently,
his teacher liked it. I heard he got an A.
http://WWW.DRUDGEreport.coM/flash.htm
Apparently, his teacher is a moron.
At age 13, any child without developmental problems
should be capable of much better, regardless of content.
Krow
style that, while not grammatically correct, the errors in such were used to
help reveal more about the narrator. Now, I don't know that is what this
kid was doing, certainly don't have enough information to make a call,
however, given the grade, it's a possibility that the kid was trying to
write like a gang-banger, in which case, perhaps he succeeded. The point
is, YOU DON'T KNOW, so it's kinda difficult for you to make a judgement,
isn't it?
--
Krow
A Flying Weasel
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Freedom4All <UNDR...@Juno.com> wrote in message
news:804bt3$5012$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
> OldSalt wrote in message <3825aa0e...@news.fast.net>...
>
> >Which stories by these authors are *tamer* then a school shooting ?
>
> I don't read those authors, not into that type of fiction.
>
> >Geeze....we are talking about a 13 yr old kid here right ?
>
> I'm not so old that I don't remember what was expected of us at that
> age. Something like what he wrote would have gotten an F.
>
> >So, you have seen it to say it was poorly written ? Please post it
> >here if so cause I haven't. I've only heard about it. Apparently,
> >his teacher liked it. I heard he got an A.
>
> Here it is. You tell me if you think it deserved an A.
>
> >Sorry but I come from a middle class background and a day in the
> >ghetto *would* be a true horror story for me. You saying it would
> >be a picnic for you ????
>
> Nope, I come from the same background as you and have always chosen to
> live in small communities so I wouldn't have contact with that sort of
> environment. I agree with you that life in the large inner cities would
be
> a horror. My complaints with the story is with the grammar and the
> spelling.
>
Dyttohed
Krow wrote in message <804gcn$j9o$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>...
>Try Faulkner, Salinger, Burgess......They all made a living writing in a
>style that, while not grammatically correct, the errors in such were used
to
>help reveal more about the narrator.
Were Stephen King in high school now, writing an essay, he'd probably be
hauled off to the nearest padded cell as a "proactive measure."
Bill Bonde
snic...@divinefart.com wrote:
>
> "Krow" <kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ever read Faulkner? Salinger? How about Anthony Burgess?
>
> He's probably limited to Scaife Approved titles and authors.
>
I read Master and Margarita.
Bill Bonde
j wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <std...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >Zepp wrote:
> >> I got around to reading it, and I suspect that the REAL reason behind
> >> the suspension were the references to huffing. The drug warriors
> >> don't want kids discussing such things unless it's the DARE-approved
> >> propaganda.
> >>
> >So you don't think that sniffing glue and chemicals is dangerous? I
> >guess we are learning more about how you've come up with your other
> >ideas.
>
> Yes ... it's dangerous. It's also a reality. Are you suggesting
> that there are "forbidden subjects" - things which must never
> be discussed without the "guidance" of state-approved
> propagandists ???
>
I don't know, I remember being given a lower grade in college for not
how I wrote a piece but what my views were about the subject I wrote
about: specifically chicks wearing business suits. I said they didn't
look good and dresses were better. So political correctness is alive in
schools, surprise.
> Hmmm ... paint-sniffing / police-state ... I'm afraid I must
> pick the lesser of evils here. No goal is so grand as to
> justify the extermination of our constitutional liberties.
> Put away your "little red book" - that's not how free men live.
>
The kid was 13 years old and he seems to know a lot about getting high
from various CFCs. Should anyone be concerned, perhaps find out if he is
using these substances in this manner?
Bill Bonde
OldSalt wrote:
>
> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:08:11 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Here it is. You tell me if you think it deserved an A.
> >
> >My flashlight went out and I heard someone right behind me and I turned in a
> >very slowly scared way and boom the lights came on and the door bell rang. I
> >walked very slowly and creepy and turned the knob ding dong the door bell
> >went again. I said just a minute and I will be right there and I looked
> >through the little hole in the door and Robin said Boo. I told him to come
> >in and have a seat and we both wated and wated for Ismael because he was
> >supposed to bring the (ounce) so we could get high but half an hour later
> >still no Ismael so I got the idea of freeon and we grabbed a bag and a knife
> >and ran out back to the airconditionar. We througth the bag over the nostle
> >and covered it tightly and used the knife to press the volv. We started to
> >hear something after we got high so we ditched everything we quickly run to
> >the door to see who it was and there wasn't anybody there then we heard
> >someone at the back door to see who it was I thought it was a crook so I
> >busted out with a 12 guage and Ismael busted out with 9 mm and we step off
> >the porch and this bloody body droped down in front of us and scared us half
> >to death and about 20 kids started cracking up and pissed me off so I shot
> >Matt, Jake, and Ben started laughing so hard that I acssedently shot Mrs.
> >Henry. Ismael saw somebody steeling antifreeze so Ismael shot over ther near
> >the airconditonar and hit somebody (indecipherable word) also scattered out
> >and went home and my mom drove up and everything was back to normal but they
> >didn't have any heads.
> >
> ROFLMAOOOO !!! THIS is what caused such a problem ?? <laughing
> here> Well, I have to agree that the grammer is pretty bad.
>
Remember, the guy on Fraiser is named "Grammer" but the word is spelt
"grammar". I know it's confusing but not any more so than other bits of
English.
> Gotta
> love the last line, ".....and everything was back to normal but they
> didn't have any heads." Oh geeze !
>
See, I knew that was an attempt at a joke.
> > Nope, I come from the same background as you and have always chosen to
> >live in small communities so I wouldn't have contact with that sort of
> >environment. I agree with you that life in the large inner cities would be
> >a horror. My complaints with the story is with the grammar and the
> >spelling.
> >
> Well maybe the teacher graded it on a curve. hahahahaha
>
So the rest of the kids should be getting more than six days in the
slammer?
Mimi Weasel
> Were Stephen King in high school now, writing an essay, he'd probably > be hauled off to the nearest padded cell as a "proactive measure."
I agree that the kid shouldn't have gone to jail, but do you SERIOUSLY
believe that Stephen King wrote the way he does now when he was in
junior high? The kid that this thread is about is only 12 years old,
hardly on a par with the sophistication that King writes with. However
the kid has potential, I hope that this experience doesn't douse his
potential for writing. I hope his parents recognize that potential and
encourage it.
Mimi Weasel
Zepp
>
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>OldSalt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>> >
>> > With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>> >writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
>> >
>> No...you've got to be kidding. With your attitude, writers like Dean
>> Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.
>
> Well, if the little monster is ever going to be a writer of any sort,
>he better learn just a little about spelling, grammar, etc.
How was your grammar and spelling when you were 13, Bobby? Be honest,
now.
> Based on the content, I think the kid needs some form of counseling.
A scary story that contains scary material? Yes, a definite candidate
for PC brainwipe.
> Based on format, I'd say he needs to be in a "special ed" class.
> No way that deserves a passing grade, much less a perfect one.
>
>
>> I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
>
>They are, but for different reasons.
>
>> The boy was told to write a scarey [sic] story and he did. Sheesh !!
>
You gotta wonder where the right wing digs these up.
Zepp
wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>
>>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
>
>>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
>>into stopping writing.
>
> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
And once again, we get a glimpse of the "freedoms" the right wing
whacks want us to have.
Tell us, "Freedom4All"--how would you have handled this situation?
>
>--
Bob Crawford
How was your grammar and spelling when you were 13, Bobby? Be honest,
now.
BTW, the name is Bob, not Bobby. Ya got that, little Zeppy?
> Based on the content, I think the kid needs some form of counseling.A scary story that contains scary material? Yes, a definite candidate
for PC brainwipe.
Zepp - please make up your mind - am I a P.C. thug,
or a ravening right-wing demon (as you imply below)?
> Based on format, I'd say he needs to be in a "special ed" class.
> No way that deserves a passing grade, much less a perfect one.
No comment, eh?
>> I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
>
>They are, but for different reasons.
>
>> The boy was told to write a scarey [sic] story and he did. Sheesh !!
>
You gotta wonder where the right wing digs these up.
See above. Which is it? PC mind-pirate or Right Wing
Deathmaster?
Zepp, you're a fucking idiot. Is your problem that you are only comfortable
when you can paint someone with one extremist label or another? Not every
person is a radical, and not every opinion must be extreme.
Basically, I could give less of a damn what the kid wrote (but if my kid wrote that, we'd be spending more than a little time in a shrink's office). The fact that all the real PC-thugs are caught in a bind has me laughing.
They ignore the atrociuous format of the story, because
to do otherwise might make the student feel less "self-empowered" or some
such crap, but they cannot abide what he actually wrote, so they have the
kid thrown in jail.
Got the picture? Academics are without standards
these days, while evry thought must be guarded to ensure one doesn't find
oneself in the pokey for having an upopular attitude.
Freedom sure has changed.
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Not dead, in jail or a slave?
Thank a liberal!
You must be joking.
I thought like you once. Then I grew up.
Freedom4All
Zepp wrote in message <3825fa7d....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
If I looked hard enough I probably could. I have a 17 year old son and
I do have examples of things he wrote at that age and the story this kid
wrote would have merited an F.
>Tell us, "Freedom4All"--how would you have handled this situation?
Graded the paper as an F and gone on to the next assignment. I would
not have assumed that there was an implied threat of any kind in the story,
except possibly to the kid himself from using whatever chemicals he can in
an effort to get high.
silverback
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>OldSalt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>> >
>> > With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>> >writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
>> >
>> No...you've got to be kidding. With your attitude, writers like Dean
>> Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.
>
> Well, if the little monster is ever going to be a writer of any sort,
>he better learn just a little about spelling, grammar, etc.
> Based on the content, I think the kid needs some form of counseling.
I thought that myself at first, when i focused on the claim that he
had discipline problems. But it bothered me that the teacher did not
feel threaten by this story at all. And teachers are pretty damn good
judges of the character of their students. Nor has there been any
follow up as to what was meant by discipline problems, it could refer
to nothing more than tariness or fallign asleep in class. Since it
hasn't been followed up on I believe that my assessment here is closer
to the truth than if the kid had been aggressive or a bully. If he had
been a bully then I could agree with some form of counseling, but
sadly there is not a single mention of that here.
My guess now is that some damn reactionary in the town wanted to
blow this all out of proportion for their own gain. The timing being
near Halloween would seem to support that view. Anyone want to bet
that the reactionary is the bigot in the pulpit at the local baptist
church?
> Based on format, I'd say he needs to be in a "special ed" class.
> No way that deserves a passing grade, much less a perfect one.
>
it was an excellent story line for a 13 year old. The mechanics of
spelling and punctuation can be cleaned up as he grows up.
I doubt if you could do better in carrying a story line forward. Oh
you might be able to to spell everything right and put the commas
where they belong, but that has little to do with writing a good
stroy.
>
>> I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are the devil's work too.
>
>They are, but for different reasons.
>
>> The boy was told to write a scarey [sic] story and he did. Sheesh !!
>
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><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All"
><UNDR...@Juno.com>
><br>wrote:
><p>>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
><br>>
><br>> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later
>he'll change from
><br>>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
><br>>
><br>No...you've got to be kidding. With your attitude, writers
>like Dean
><br>Koontz, Stephen King and Clive Barker wouldn't be around.</blockquote>
> Well, if the little monster is ever going to be a writer
>of any sort, he better learn just a little about spelling, grammar, etc.
><br> Based on the content, I think the kid needs some
>form of counseling.
><br> Based on format, I'd say he needs to be in a "special
>ed" class.
><br> No way that deserves a passing grade, much less
>a perfect one.
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE> I guess you think Teletubbies and Pokemon are
>the devil's work too.</blockquote>
>They are, but for different reasons.
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>The boy was told to write a scarey <b>[sic]</b> story
>and he did. Sheesh !!</blockquote>
>
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On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
wrote:
>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>
>>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
>
>>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
>>into stopping writing.
>
> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
And once again, we get a glimpse of the "freedoms" the right wing
whacks want us to have.
Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?
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Bill Bonde
Krow wrote:
>
> Try Faulkner, Salinger, Burgess......They all made a living writing in a
> style that, while not grammatically correct, the errors in such were used to
> help reveal more about the narrator. Now, I don't know that is what this
> kid was doing, certainly don't have enough information to make a call,
> however, given the grade, it's a possibility that the kid was trying to
> write like a gang-banger, in which case, perhaps he succeeded. The point
> is, YOU DON'T KNOW, so it's kinda difficult for you to make a judgement,
> isn't it?
>
Come on, just admit it, the kid was a freaked out, dope smoking, toxic
chemical inhaling moron who couldn't write an English sentence to save
his sorry life. You want to defend him because you think that it is just
fine to huff freon. Well, let me tell you bubba, the kid did mix up
Ismael and Robin and that don't make no freaking sense. I mean why huff
the CFCs when Ishy buddy has scored you an O Z?
Bill Bonde
Bob Crawford wrote:
>
Dude, post only text to newsgroups. No HTML.
OldSalt
wrote:
>Remember, the guy on Fraiser is named "Grammer" but the word is spelt
>"grammar". I know it's confusing but not any more so than other bits of
>English.
>
Yikes....you're right. Now stop correcting my spelling "Teach". lol
>>
>See, I knew that was an attempt at a joke.
>
I do think it's a joke and pretty funny at that.
>
>So the rest of the kids should be getting more than six days in the
>slammer?
I don't personally think he should have been jailed at all. I find the
whole thing ridiculous.
Zepp
wrote:
>
>Zepp wrote in message <3825fa7d....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>
>>Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
>
> If I looked hard enough I probably could. I have a 17 year old son and
>I do have examples of things he wrote at that age and the story this kid
>wrote would have merited an F.
Post something he wrote that was better. I promise we won't laugh at
him. We might laugh at you, though.
>
>>Tell us, "Freedom4All"--how would you have handled this situation?
>
> Graded the paper as an F and gone on to the next assignment. I would
>not have assumed that there was an implied threat of any kind in the story,
>except possibly to the kid himself from using whatever chemicals he can in
>an effort to get high.
>
Well, you would make a rotten teacher, but at least you've got more
common sense than the dim bulbs who suspended that kid.
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>> On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All" <UNDR...@Juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
>> >
>> >>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
>> >
>> > You've got to be kidding.
>>
>> Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
>> >
>> >>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
>> >>into stopping writing.
>> >
>> > With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later he'll change from
>> >writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
>>
>> And once again, we get a glimpse of the "freedoms" the right wing
>> whacks want us to have.
>
>Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for
>mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a
>pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?
Nope. This was some hick town in south-central Texas, 40 miles from
the city. They don't grow many libruls out that way.
See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda instead of
thinking for yourself?
>
>
>
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>Zepp wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:13:25 -0600, "Freedom4All"
><UNDR...@Juno.com>
><br>wrote:
><p>>Zepp wrote in message <3824e836....@news.snowcrest.net>...
><br>>
><br>>>It was a pretty good short story for a thirteen year old kid.
><br>>
><br>> You've got to be kidding.
><p>Nope. A pity you can't find anything you wrote when you were 13.
><br>>
><br>>>I hope the hick authorities in that town don't intimidate him
><br>>>into stopping writing.
><br>>
><br>> With his obvious talent I'm sure sooner or later
>he'll change from
><br>>writing scary stories to writing bad checks or holdup notes.
><p>And once again, we get a glimpse of the "freedoms" the right wing
><br>whacks want us to have.</blockquote>
>Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for mentioning
>a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a pulitzer for
>his excellently formed prose?
><br>
><br>
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Steve La Joie <laj...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>Gary Carroll wrote:
>>
>> silverback wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> > school with a discipline problem.
>>
>> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>
>Silverback is scary. He's a problem child in the Usenet.
>
>Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
>sure he'll agree it's necessary.
>
>Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
>think it'll be good for him.
Jail? Because you don't agree with him? You're such a
pathetic wacko I really can't dislike you. Sadness is
the most reasonable emotion. Tragedy is my assessment.
There are drugs that can help.
--
rha
Bob Crawford
On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:56:18 GMT, Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
>Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for
>mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a
>pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?Nope. This was some hick town in south-central Texas, 40 miles from
the city. They don't grow many libruls out that way.
All this "he used the word 'gun', lock the evil monster
away" IS PC lefty-loon stuff. The fact is that the small-townsfolk were
stampeded. Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine,
et al.) School admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than
a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda instead of thinking for yourself?
I listen to right wing propaganda. I listen to left
wing propaganda. I listen to whatever I can find in between, then make
up my mind for myself.
Sometimes "right" is right. A steering wheel that
only turns in one direction isn't worth a damn.
Left-right! Left-right! Double-timing it to the
big nowhere. So busy running you fail to see the cattlecar at the end of
the run.
Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted
as classwork and received a perfect grade?
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The Dubious Khelair
> I agree that the kid shouldn't have gone to jail, but do you SERIOUSLY
> believe that Stephen King wrote the way he does now when he was in
> junior high? The kid that this thread is about is only 12 years old,
> hardly on a par with the sophistication that King writes with. However
> the kid has potential, I hope that this experience doesn't douse his
> potential for writing. I hope his parents recognize that potential and
> encourage it.
I'm sure that, unfortunately, this _WILL_ douse potential, and get a
LOT of negative reinforcement from those in authority (including parents).
That's what I was trying to get at in the post I made (didn't post as a
followup accidentally)... Hopefully someone around him is smart enough to
tell him that what happened to him was wrong though and he should KEEP on
building his talents.
Such a crock of shit... :( Such a foolish world.
silverback
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>Zepp wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:56:18 GMT, Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
>> >Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for
>> >mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a
>> >pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?
>>
>> Nope. This was some hick town in south-central Texas, 40 miles from
>> the city. They don't grow many libruls out that way.
>
> Shows what you know about real life in Texas. The honest-ta-gawd shit-kickin' butt-scratchin' cowboy is largeyly a
>thing of the past.
>
> All this "he used the word 'gun', lock the evil monster away" IS PC lefty-loon stuff. The fact is that the
>small-townsfolk were stampeded. Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine, et al.) School
>admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
want to make a bet here bobby? My money says that it was the town's
reactionaries that started the howl, and my bet is that the one that
howled the loudest was the bigot in the pulpit at the local baptist
church.
And as a side bet I ebt every last one of these reactionaries were
right wing fruit loops.
>
>
>> See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda instead of thinking for yourself?
>
> I listen to right wing propaganda. I listen to left wing propaganda. I listen to whatever I can find in between, then
>make up my mind for myself.
> Sometimes "right" is right. A steering wheel that only turns in one direction isn't worth a damn.
> Left-right! Left-right! Double-timing it to the big nowhere. So busy running you fail to see the cattlecar at the end
>of the run.
>
> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
>
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>Zepp wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:56:18 GMT, Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com>
>wrote:
><br>>Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for
><br>>mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should
>get a
><br>>pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?
><p>Nope. This was some hick town in south-central Texas, 40 miles
>from
><br>the city. They don't grow many libruls out that way.</blockquote>
> Shows what you know about real life in Texas. The honest-ta-gawd
>shit-kickin' butt-scratchin' cowboy is largeyly a thing of the past.
><p> All this "he used the word 'gun', lock the evil monster
>away" IS PC lefty-loon stuff. The fact is that the small-townsfolk were
>stampeded. Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine,
>et al.) School admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than
>a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda
>instead of thinking for yourself?</blockquote>
> I listen to right wing propaganda. I listen to left
>wing propaganda. I listen to whatever I can find in between, then make
>up my mind for myself.
><br> Sometimes "right" is right. A steering wheel that
>only turns in one direction isn't worth a damn.
><br> Left-right! Left-right! Double-timing it to the
>big nowhere. So busy running you fail to see the cattlecar at the end of
>the run.
><p> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
><br>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted
>as classwork and received a perfect grade?
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>Zepp wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:56:18 GMT, Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
>> >Um, wasn't it the PC, left-wing whacks that put the bot in jail for
>> >mentioning a gun? The same PC lefty-loons who feel the kid should get a
>> >pulitzer for his excellently formed prose?
>>
>> Nope. This was some hick town in south-central Texas, 40 miles from
>> the city. They don't grow many libruls out that way.
>
> Shows what you know about real life in Texas. The honest-ta-gawd shit-kickin' butt-scratchin' cowboy is largeyly a
>thing of the past.
Been replaced by reneck hicks who hate the cities because they vote
for left wingers and think guys like Phil Gramm and Pat Buchanan are
the Merkin ideal.
>
> All this "he used the word 'gun', lock the evil monster away" IS PC lefty-loon stuff. The fact is that the
>small-townsfolk were stampeded. Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine, et al.) School
>admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
Still trying to pretend that a school board in rural Texas is full of
lefties, are you?
>
>
>> See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda instead of thinking for yourself?
>
> I listen to right wing propaganda. I listen to left wing propaganda. I listen to whatever I can find in between, then
>make up my mind for myself.
> Sometimes "right" is right. A steering wheel that only turns in one direction isn't worth a damn.
> Left-right! Left-right! Double-timing it to the big nowhere. So busy running you fail to see the cattlecar at the end
>of the run.
And yet here you are, furiously trying to pretend it was LIBRULS whut
beat up on that po' little boy. Your claims to being above it all
would be a lot more credible if you weren't parrotting that line.
>
> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
>
Nope. I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only a
sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from a kid that
age.
I think the fact that you want to punish the kid for not having
college level writing skills, and simultaneously howling that the kid
talked about drugs and violence while at the same time trying to blame
such grundyish PCism on non-existant liberals shows the moral and
mental bankrupcy of American conservative thought.
Steve La Joie
>
> In article <38230A2A...@eskimo.com>,
> Steve La Joie <laj...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> >Gary Carroll wrote:
> >>
> >> silverback wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
> >> > school with a discipline problem.
> >>
> >> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
> >> with my kids name in it would scare me!
> >
> >Silverback is scary. He's a problem child in the Usenet.
> >
> >Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
> >sure he'll agree it's necessary.
> >
> >Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
> >think it'll be good for him.
>
> Jail? Because you don't agree with him?
You stupid idiot! You mean I have to explain it to you?
The boy writes something, as ordered to by the school,
that is judged by some over sensitive clown to be scary.
The boy is also judged to be a problem child.
Silverback says great, throw the boy in jail for 5
days. Screw his rights.
Okay, so I suggest that silverback's writings are scary.
(Indeed, such an attack on individual rights IS scary!)
I suggest that to many of us, Silverback is a problem
child, too. Thus, he too, should be jailed for 5 days.
In short, apply silverbacks draconian ideals on himself,
and see if he either accepts it willingly or realizes
objectivity works both ways. How would HE like it if
he was in the boy's shoes? I doubt that he would. Not
only free speech is violated, but Habeas Corpus was
suspended unconstitutionally.
But you're too damn stupid to see that.
> You're such a
> pathetic wacko I really can't dislike you. Sadness is
> the most reasonable emotion. Tragedy is my assessment.
> There are drugs that can help.
I think of you in the same way as I think of my dog, only
my dog is house broken and you do your mental crap on the
floor of the usenet. Here's a crap now. BAD DOGGIE! (Whap!
with a rolled up newspaper.)
You're so stupid, I have to seriously ask myself, "is it
human?"
Steve La Joie
>
> In article <7vq63o$cva$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> frank...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I heard Rush read the essay on the radio today. I could not stop
> > laughing because the teacher gave the kid a grade of 100. How come
> the
> > teacher was not arrested, fined or fired for incompetence?
> >
> > I found the section where the kid talked about sniffing freon more
> > disturbing than the shooting portion of the essay. Where does a 13
> > year old get the idea to sniff transmission fluid and freon? What
> > criteria did the English teacher use to describe the young man as an
> > "outstanding student"?
> >
>
> What's scarier -- kids getting jail time for school assignments, or
> people getting their news from Rush? Had you gone beyond Rush's fine,
> objective news coverage you would have learned that the student did NOT
> receive a grade of 100. His essay itself was not graded. The students
> were told than anyone who got up in class and read his/her story would
> get 100 extra credit points (no idea how much significant that is in
> terms of the student's total grade). The student in question got up and
> read his essay (which the teacher had not yet seen). Hence the 100
> points.
Interesting that the school is giving out educational
points for such non-educational things as a lack of
fear of public speaking. But So what? You don't address
at all, an presumably since you don't address it, have
no concern at all for the kid's free speech rights or
right to Habeas Corpus. Now, that anyone who is called
an american and has voting rights would have no concern
at all when the government so seriously violates the
rights of the individual, that some could be educated
by the system and be so damnably oblivious to the concern
of rights, now THAT'S scary.
Pop Kulcher
Actually, if you'd read my posts elsewhere on the thread, you'd know
that I am particularly disturbed by the school's actions. The ACLU,
with which I am affiliated, has already offered representation to
several students who have been referred to criminal authorities in a
frightening over-reaction to constitutionally protected speech in the
wake of Littleton et al. (Oddly, some of the same people most
up-in-arms over this school's actions are the first to assail the ACLU.
Not sure why that is.)
But this particular thread was talking about the teacher who graded the
project, and I solely intended to clear up what appears to be some
conflict in news accounts of the incident.
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where this
> can be verified.
>
It was part of the school district's public statement, carried in the
Dallas Morning News (among others). I'm not saying the school district
is correct (and, coming from the same district which called the cops
based on a student's essay, I'm not exactly on their side). But it does
appear that some news accounts (including Rush's blathering) are
focusing in on the student's grade with incomplete or possibly
inaccurate information.
j
<std...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>
>j wrote:
>>
>> Bill Bonde <std...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >So you don't think that sniffing glue and chemicals is dangerous? I
>> >guess we are learning more about how you've come up with your other
>> >ideas.
>>
>> Yes ... it's dangerous. It's also a reality. Are you suggesting
>> that there are "forbidden subjects" - things which must never
>> be discussed without the "guidance" of state-approved
>> propagandists ???
>>
>I don't know, I remember being given a lower grade in college for not
>how I wrote a piece but what my views were about the subject I wrote
>about: specifically chicks wearing business suits. I said they didn't
>look good and dresses were better. So political correctness is alive in
>schools, surprise.
No, not a suprise at all. However, that doesn't mean
we should let it slide by without complaint. Stay
silent and what's "PC" will keep getting narrower
and narrower.
>> Hmmm ... paint-sniffing / police-state ... I'm afraid I must
>> pick the lesser of evils here. No goal is so grand as to
>> justify the extermination of our constitutional liberties.
>> Put away your "little red book" - that's not how free men live.
>The kid was 13 years old and he seems to know a lot about getting high
>from various CFCs. Should anyone be concerned, perhaps find out if he is
>using these substances in this manner?
Nobody said that it would be improper to at least inquire
whether he was fond of huffing freon ... I mean, it would
be about the same as asking Steven King whether he savored
the taste of human flesh. It's just that it was extremely
improper to put him through all this other crap because of
his story. That's what the Russkies used to do to authors
who wrote things the govt didn't like. It was bad when they
did it, and it's even worse when we do it.
-j
RHA
Steve La Joie <laj...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>RHA wrote:
>>
>> In article <38230A2A...@eskimo.com>,
>> Steve La Joie <laj...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> >Gary Carroll wrote:
>> >>
>> >> silverback wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> >> > school with a discipline problem.
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>> >> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>> >
>> >Silverback is scary. He's a problem child in the Usenet.
>> >
>> >Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
>> >sure he'll agree it's necessary.
>> >
>> >Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
>> >think it'll be good for him.
>>
>> Jail? Because you don't agree with him?
>
>You stupid idiot! You mean I have to explain it to you?
Ummm, yeah, cuz apparently you deleted the previous poster's
remark. All I saw were your words. Hint: I don't
read minds. Not all posts make it to all news servers,
no one (at least no one with a real life) reads each
and every post. The discerning reader selects based
who he respects and who he holds in utter contempt;
those in the middle are, for the most part, ignored.
(In case you're wondering, you fall into my second
category. In there with Brashears and Uriah Wootton.)
>
>The boy writes something, as ordered to by the school,
>that is judged by some over sensitive clown to be scary.
>The boy is also judged to be a problem child.
>
>Silverback says great, throw the boy in jail for 5
>days. Screw his rights.
I didn't delete anything, show us (me and anyone else
reading this) where the other poster's words are.
>
>Okay, so I suggest that silverback's writings are scary.
>(Indeed, such an attack on individual rights IS scary!)
>I suggest that to many of us, Silverback is a problem
>child, too. Thus, he too, should be jailed for 5 days.
>
>In short, apply silverbacks draconian ideals on himself,
>and see if he either accepts it willingly or realizes
>objectivity works both ways. How would HE like it if
>he was in the boy's shoes? I doubt that he would. Not
>only free speech is violated, but Habeas Corpus was
>suspended unconstitutionally.
>
>But you're too damn stupid to see that.
Not always, sometimes I have lucid moments.
>
>> You're such a
>> pathetic wacko I really can't dislike you. Sadness is
>> the most reasonable emotion. Tragedy is my assessment.
>> There are drugs that can help.
>
>I think of you in the same way as I think of my dog, only
>my dog is house broken and you do your mental crap on the
>floor of the usenet. Here's a crap now. BAD DOGGIE! (Whap!
>with a rolled up newspaper.)
>
>You're so stupid, I have to seriously ask myself, "is it
>human?"
Racist? Lemme see: Sees opponents as "targets", calls
people he disagrees with "slope heads", now he asks
if they're "human". You make friends everywhere you
go, don't you?
I do wonder if your parents weren't innocent victims
when your family was escorted off the reservation.
**YOU** were the one shoved out, they just had to go
along for the ride.
BTW, if you're gonna try to insult someone, try a
subtle form. Otherwise you just become a whiny-assed
kid crying, "I'm gonna get my big brother to beat you
up!" Your effort above is not what I'd expect from an
electrical engineer. It lacks creativity. You sound
more like a taxi driver who's a recent émigré. Poor
language skills, a lack of experience with the nuances
of english. Even a translation of Cyrano de Bergerac
would work wonders for you...considering the depths of
your starting point.
--
rha
Mark Balcom
>
> I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only a
> sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from a kid that
> age.
>
:)
Mark Balcom
>
> See what happens when you listen to right wing propaganda instead of
> thinking for yourself?
What would you know about thinking?
:)
Mark Balcom
Except in the eyes of a good liberal.
Isn't it interesting how they go from defending things like this to
advocating almost complete anarchy by libs?
liberal = hypocrite?
:)
Mark
Mark Balcom
Dop you have information that shows that he did not receive a grade of
"A"?
Or perhaps you have a copy of the text of his article that is different
from that presented by Rush, and many others?
Mark
Steve La Joie
>
> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:42:37 -0600, hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com...
> >> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> >> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com...
> >> > >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
> >> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
> reread what I wrote loon, nowhere did I condone the week in jail. In
> fact my very words were "I don't know about the week in jail"
If you don't defend our rights when they are violated, you condone
their destruction. Sorry, we don't accept fence sitters on this one.
> Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
> a "threat" to their kid?
It is clear that you don't understand the difference between
a work of fiction and a real threat.
> i don't know if this kid is unbalanced or if
> he just wrote a good essay fullfilling the requirements, but if he had
> past problems with discipline and I was one of the other parents I
> would sure and hell want someone to figure out if the kid was
> unbalanced or not.
And if a signficant number of people here questioned your
sanity, for the obvious reason that you can't seperate an
assigned work of fiction from a real physical threat, then
you, too, would submit to psychological testing and possible
commitment to a mental institution? Or do you lack objectivity?
Which, by the way, is another sign of insanity.
Mark Balcom
>
> silverback wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:42:37 -0600, hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com..
> > >> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> > >> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com..
> > >> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
> > >> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com..
>
> > fact my very words were "I don't know about the week in jail"
>
> If you don't defend our rights when they are violated, you condone
> their destruction. Sorry, we don't accept fence sitters on this one.
>
> > Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
> > a "threat" to their kid?
>
> It is clear that you don't understand the difference between
> a work of fiction and a real threat.
>
> > i don't know if this kid is unbalanced or if
> > he just wrote a good essay fullfilling the requirements, but if he had
> > past problems with discipline and I was one of the other parents I
> > would sure and hell want someone to figure out if the kid was
> > unbalanced or not.
>
> And if a signficant number of people here questioned your
> sanity, for the obvious reason that you can't seperate an
> assigned work of fiction from a real physical threat, then
> you, too, would submit to psychological testing and possible
> commitment to a mental institution? Or do you lack objectivity?
> Which, by the way, is another sign of insanity.
Nobody takes the gdyot (by whatever alias he is using) seriously.
He keeps changing aliases to avoid kill-files.
Responding to the nut case onlt encourages him.
He is almost as blatant a bald faced liar as buddy k.
Mark
Ben There
Mark Balcom <ma...@coho.net> wrote in message news:382747...@coho.net...
There are, of course, 11 year olds that could write this 13 year old
out the door. At thirteen, you should have a good grasp of sentence
structure and punctuation. If you've ever met any kids who abuse inhalants
like this one is referring to, you know they are much the worse for it.
The kid sounds like a paint head.
But I bet it is the reference to inhalants that got the kid in trouble
to begin with.
silverback
wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:42:37 -0600, hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com...
>> >> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> >> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com...
>> >> > >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> >> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com...
>
>> reread what I wrote loon, nowhere did I condone the week in jail. In
>> fact my very words were "I don't know about the week in jail"
>
>If you don't defend our rights when they are violated, you condone
>their destruction. Sorry, we don't accept fence sitters on this one.
so why are yuor balls hanging from the barb wire?
>
>> Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
>> a "threat" to their kid?
>
>It is clear that you don't understand the difference between
>a work of fiction and a real threat.
>
>> i don't know if this kid is unbalanced or if
>> he just wrote a good essay fullfilling the requirements, but if he had
>> past problems with discipline and I was one of the other parents I
>> would sure and hell want someone to figure out if the kid was
>> unbalanced or not.
>
>And if a signficant number of people here questioned your
>sanity, for the obvious reason that you can't seperate an
>assigned work of fiction from a real physical threat, then
>you, too, would submit to psychological testing and possible
>commitment to a mental institution? Or do you lack objectivity?
>Which, by the way, is another sign of insanity.
*****************************************************
silverback
wrote:
>RHA wrote:
>>
>> In article <38230A2A...@eskimo.com>,
>> Steve La Joie <laj...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> >Gary Carroll wrote:
>> >>
>> >> silverback wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > you left out the problem that he was considered a problem student at
>> >> > school with a discipline problem.
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what should have been done, but I gotta say that story
>> >> with my kids name in it would scare me!
>> >
>> >Silverback is scary. He's a problem child in the Usenet.
>> >
>> >Will someone please toss him in jail for five days? I'm
>> >sure he'll agree it's necessary.
>> >
>> >Or he'll learn an lesson in objectivity. Either way, I
>> >think it'll be good for him.
>>
>> Jail? Because you don't agree with him?
>
>You stupid idiot! You mean I have to explain it to you?
>
>The boy writes something, as ordered to by the school,
>that is judged by some over sensitive clown to be scary.
>The boy is also judged to be a problem child.
>
>Silverback says great, throw the boy in jail for 5
>days. Screw his rights.
thats not what I said, lahoey. And you know damn well that you are
lying about it.
>
>Okay, so I suggest that silverback's writings are scary.
looks like I got another one of the dittocritters paranoid.
>(Indeed, such an attack on individual rights IS scary!)
>I suggest that to many of us, Silverback is a problem
>child, too. Thus, he too, should be jailed for 5 days.
>
>In short, apply silverbacks draconian ideals on himself,
>and see if he either accepts it willingly or realizes
>objectivity works both ways. How would HE like it if
>he was in the boy's shoes? I doubt that he would. Not
>only free speech is violated, but Habeas Corpus was
>suspended unconstitutionally.
>
>But you're too damn stupid to see that.
>
>> You're such a
>> pathetic wacko I really can't dislike you. Sadness is
>> the most reasonable emotion. Tragedy is my assessment.
>> There are drugs that can help.
>
>I think of you in the same way as I think of my dog, only
>my dog is house broken and you do your mental crap on the
>floor of the usenet. Here's a crap now. BAD DOGGIE! (Whap!
>with a rolled up newspaper.)
>
>You're so stupid, I have to seriously ask myself, "is it
>human?"
*****************************************************
Bob Crawford
Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
>Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine, et al.) School
>admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').want to make a bet here bobby?
My money says that it was the town's reactionaries that started the howl, and my bet is that the one that
howled the loudest was the bigot in the pulpit at the local baptist church.
The local church had no reason to comment, as it had not become an issue till the school over-reacted and turned the kid over to the cops.
As for your religious bigotry: your preconceptions are getting in the way of reality.
And as a side bet I ebt every last one of these reactionaries were right wing fruit loops.
And you ignore a pointed questiuon at the heart of the issue.
> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
--
\----------------------------------------------------------/
| Bob Crawford© cra...@io.com http://www.io.com/~crawdad
|
Bob Crawford
Still trying to pretend that a school board in rural Texas is full of
lefties, are you?
I work in Texas Education. It IS full of lefties. Oh, maybe not the rank and file, but the administrative areas are full of modern neo-left PC types.
And yet here you are, furiously trying to pretend it was LIBRULS whut
beat up on that po' little boy. Your claims to being above it all
would be a lot more credible if you weren't parrotting that line.
MY stance is this:
1: Put the kid in JAIL for an essay? NO.
2: Give the kid a PERFECT grade for the essay? NO.
3: Ignore the issue altogether? Well, I think an 'F' and a referral to the school counselor would have sufficed.
If you feel the need to shout left/right, knock yourself out.
FWIW, this (and too many other issues) are automatically graded into
Left/Right parameters by the media and FAR too many citizens.
When the self-labeled 'left' and the self-labeled 'right' go to war,
it is okay to refer to the groups as such.
> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
>
Nope. I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only a sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from a kid that age.A thirteen year old should be able to spell "wait."
I think the fact that you want to punish the kid for not having college level writing skills,
College level? Get serious. That "paper" is beneath a ten-year-old.
"Punish" with an "F", not jail time... for bad academics, not because
the kid is a latent Columbino.
and simultaneously howling that the kid talked about drugs and violence
Sorry Zepp: read back. I've never advocated anything more than a trip to
counsellor. I am concerned about the violence in the kids essay, but I
am not in favor of the idea of "thought crime." The kid was treated as
a thought criminal, and that is wrong.
while at the same time trying to blame such grundyish PCism on non-existant liberals
You're not making any sense here.
shows the moral and mental bankrupcy of American conservative thought.
Squirm squirm.
Just address the issue.
Why do you think veryone who disagrees with you must be "a conservative"?
I think your expressing insecurity in your own convictions.
Zepp
>
>Mark Balcom <ma...@coho.net> wrote in message news:382747...@coho.net...
>> Zepp demonstrated the educational ideals and goals of the liberals:
>> >
>> > I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only a
>> > sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from a kid that
>> > age.
>
>There are, of course, 11 year olds that could write this 13 year old
>out the door. At thirteen, you should have a good grasp of sentence
>structure and punctuation. If you've ever met any kids who abuse inhalants
>like this one is referring to, you know they are much the worse for it.
>The kid sounds like a paint head.
Fine. Show us something you've written when you were 13. Go ahead.
We'll wait.
>
>But I bet it is the reference to inhalants that got the kid in trouble
>to begin with.
Great object lesson in freedom of speech, eh?
Bob Crawford
Why do you think veryone who disagrees with you must be "a conservative"?
I think you're expressing insecurity in your own convictions.
silverback
wrote:
>Steve La Joie wrote:
>>
>> silverback wrote:
>> >
>> > On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:42:37 -0600, hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton)
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:38225956...@news.spiritone.com..
>> > >> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:24:13 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> > >> > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > >news:38219281...@news.spiritone.com..
>> > >> > >> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:28:45 -0500, "Tommy T-Rex"
>> > >> > >> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> >silverback <gdy5...@nospamspiritone.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > >> >news:382109c0...@news.spiritone.com..
>>
>> > reread what I wrote loon, nowhere did I condone the week in jail. In
>> > fact my very words were "I don't know about the week in jail"
>>
>> If you don't defend our rights when they are violated, you condone
>> their destruction. Sorry, we don't accept fence sitters on this one.
>>
>> > Don't you think those other parents had a right to be concerned over
>> > a "threat" to their kid?
>>
>> It is clear that you don't understand the difference between
>> a work of fiction and a real threat.
>>
>> > i don't know if this kid is unbalanced or if
>> > he just wrote a good essay fullfilling the requirements, but if he had
>> > past problems with discipline and I was one of the other parents I
>> > would sure and hell want someone to figure out if the kid was
>> > unbalanced or not.
>>
>> And if a signficant number of people here questioned your
>> sanity, for the obvious reason that you can't seperate an
>> assigned work of fiction from a real physical threat, then
>> you, too, would submit to psychological testing and possible
>> commitment to a mental institution? Or do you lack objectivity?
>> Which, by the way, is another sign of insanity.
>
>
>Nobody takes the gdyot (by whatever alias he is using) seriously.
this from a person that dissappeared of the net for 6 months after I
got throw raking his sorry ass over the coals.
>
>He keeps changing aliases to avoid kill-files.
now yer lying again markie. I changed once, that was when I moved. And
I kept the same email address so even a moron like yerself would know
he wasn't seeing double.
>
>Responding to the nut case onlt encourages him.
>
>He is almost as blatant a bald faced liar as buddy k.
still smarting over yer stat lesson that Buddy gave you?
>
>
>Mark
silverback
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>silverback wrote:
>
>> Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
>> >Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine, et al.) School
>> >admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than a more measured approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
>>
>> want to make a bet here bobby?
>
>You lose, smelly old ape..
poor widdle booby
>
>> My money says that it was the town's reactionaries that started the howl, and my bet is that the one that
>> howled the loudest was the bigot in the pulpit at the local baptist church.
>
> The complainants were parents of the "author's" classmates.
> The local church had no reason to comment, as it had not become an issue till the school over-reacted and turned the kid
>over to the cops.
> As for your religious bigotry: your preconceptions are getting in the way of reality.
not really, if anyone's preconceptions ran wild it was yours.
>
>
>> And as a side bet I ebt every last one of these reactionaries were right wing fruit loops.
>
> Idiot. Can't you tell rught from left? Lock 'em up for saying 'gun' is LEFT, not right.
>
not many libruls in those small farming communities in the midwest
booby. I am somewhat an authority on that having been raised in one.
>And you ignore a pointed questiuon at the heart of the issue.
>
the only point here booby is the one on yer head.
>> > Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>> >You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
>
>--
>\----------------------------------------------------------/
>| Bob CrawfordŠ cra...@io.com http://www.io.com/~crawdad |
>| "Give me ambiguity or give me something else!" |
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>silverback wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Bob Crawford <cra...@io.com> wrote:
><br>>Parents complained as a result of lefty-tv-howl-propoganda (Columbine,
>et al.) School
><br>>admins and judge went the "lock him up" route rather than a more measured
>approach (such as counseling and an 'F').
><p>want to make a bet here bobby?</blockquote>
>You lose, smelly old ape..
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>My money says that it was the town's reactionaries
>that started the howl, and my bet is that the one that
><br>howled the loudest was the bigot in the pulpit at the local baptist
>church.</blockquote>
> The complainants were parents of the "author's" classmates.
><br> The local church had no reason to comment, as it
>had not become an issue till the school over-reacted and turned the kid
>over to the cops.
><br> As for your religious bigotry: your preconceptions
>are getting in the way of reality.
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE> And as a side bet I ebt every last one of
>these reactionaries were right wing fruit loops.</blockquote>
> Idiot. Can't you tell rught from left? Lock 'em up for
>saying 'gun' is LEFT, not right.
><p>And you ignore a pointed questiuon at the heart of the issue.
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
><br>>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted
>as classwork and received a perfect grade?</blockquote>
>
><p><br><tt>--</tt>
><br><tt>\----------------------------------------------------------/</tt>
><br><tt>| Bob Crawford© cra...@io.com <A HREF="http://www.io.com/~crawdad">http://www.io.com/~crawdad</A>
>|</tt>
><br><tt>| "Give me ambiguity or give me something
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wrote:
>j wrote:
>> Nobody said that it would be improper to at least inquire
>> whether he was fond of huffing freon ... I mean, it would
>> be about the same as asking Steven King whether he savored
>> the taste of human flesh. It's just that it was extremely
>> improper to put him through all this other crap because of
>> his story. That's what the Russkies used to do to authors
>> who wrote things the govt didn't like. It was bad when they
>> did it, and it's even worse when we do it.
>
>Except in the eyes of a good liberal.
>Isn't it interesting how they go from defending things like this to
>advocating almost complete anarchy by libs?
>liberal = hypocrite?
Well ... "liberals" are very conflicted people.
They suffer from a confusion between the
libertine/libertarian impulses from their youths
and the urge for total control which developed
since that time. The usual solution is to focus
the more genuinely "liberal" impulses on a small
handfull of traditionally favored groups and
causes while clamping down on most everything
and everyone else. Then, they need only add a
generous dose of self-deception and they can
REALLY BELIEVE that they are pro-liberty instead
of being even LESS "liberal" than your average
"conservative".
To be fair, "conservatives" also have a long way
to go before they are really "with" the spirit of
liberty our Founders envisioned. But, I think at
this point that "conservatives" (averaged, as a
group) have more potential in this area than do
our self-described "liberals".
-j
Zepp
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>Zepp wrote:
>
>> Still trying to pretend that a school board in rural Texas is full of
>> lefties, are you?
>
>Zepp:
>I work in Texas Education. It IS full of lefties. Oh, maybe not the rank and file, but the administrative areas are full of
>modern neo-left PC types.
Do tell. And just what makes them "lefties", Bobby?
>
>> And yet here you are, furiously trying to pretend it was LIBRULS whut
>> beat up on that po' little boy. Your claims to being above it all
>> would be a lot more credible if you weren't parrotting that line.
>
>Stupid: I'm not parroting anybody's line. Why don't you read what you respond to.
>MY stance is this:
> 1: Put the kid in JAIL for an essay? NO.
> 2: Give the kid a PERFECT grade for the essay? NO.
> 3: Ignore the issue altogether? Well, I think an 'F' and a referral to the school counselor would have sufficed.
>
For writing about non-PC topics like violence and drug use. Using
them as disturbing elements in a story that's SUPPOSED to be scary.
If Stephen King had been raised in that school, and came out believing
that the only things he could write about were "sunshine, lollipops
and rainbows" and similar bland, light-hearted drivel, he would be
pumping gas today and nobody would have heard of him.
I don't know how to explain this to you, but others will understand:
this was a CREATIVE assignment. In such, students are INVITED to
drawy outside the lines, and use some of the colors that don't
normally get used. This kids was told to write a good, spooky
Halloween-type nightmare story, and that's exactly what he did. I
don't know if the kid MEANT to do this or not, but there's a nice
stream-of-consciousness element to it that would do Neil Gaiman proud.
That's a sophisticated literary device, and if the kid did it on
purpose, then he deserves a top grade.
>If you feel the need to shout left/right, knock yourself out.
>FWIW, this (and too many other issues) are automatically graded into Left/Right parameters by the media and FAR too many
>citizens.
>When the self-labeled 'left' and the self-labeled 'right' go to war, it is okay to refer to the groups as such.
That part started when Johnny Engineer started yelling it wuz libruls
whut fucked the kid. And your protest here would carry a bit more
weight if you hadn't started out by complaining that the Texas school
system was full of lefties.
>
>>
>> > Just to keep this on topic, lemme get this straight:
>> >You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted as classwork and received a perfect grade?
>> >
>> Nope. I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only a sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from
>> a kid that age.
>
>A thirteen year old should be able to spell "wait."
>
Probably so, but this wasn't a spelling assignment.
>
>> I think the fact that you want to punish the kid for not having college level writing skills,
>
>College level? Get serious. That "paper" is beneath a ten-year-old.
>"Punish" with an "F", not jail time... for bad academics, not because the kid is a latent Columbino.
Again, show us something you wrote when you were 13.
>
>
>> and simultaneously howling that the kid talked about drugs and violence
>
>Sorry Zepp: read back. I've never advocated anything more than a trip to counsellor. I am concerned about the violence in the
>kids essay, but I am not in favor of the idea of "thought crime." The kid was treated as a thought criminal, and that is
>wrong.
>
>
>> while at the same time trying to blame such grundyish PCism on non-existant liberals
>
>You're not making any sense here.
"Liberals" are what you call "leftists".
>
>> shows the moral and mental bankrupcy of American conservative thought.
>
>Squirm squirm.
>Just address the issue.
>Why do you think veryone who disagrees with you must be "a conservative"? I think your expressing insecurity in your own
>convictions.
Go psychoanalyze yourself. Oh, and don't forget to explain just what
these "leftists" who have overrun the Texas school system are all
about.
>
>
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>Zepp wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Still trying to pretend that a school board in rural
>Texas is full of
><br>lefties, are you?</blockquote>
>Zepp:
><br>I work in Texas Education. It IS full of lefties. Oh, maybe not the
>rank and file, but the administrative areas are full of modern neo-left
>PC types.
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>And yet here you are, furiously trying to pretend
>it was LIBRULS whut
><br>beat up on that po' little boy. Your claims to being above it
>all
><br>would be a lot more credible if you weren't parrotting that line.</blockquote>
>Stupid: I'm not parroting anybody's line. Why don't you read what you respond
>to.
><br>MY stance is this:
><br> 1: Put the kid in JAIL for an essay? NO.
><br> 2: Give the kid a PERFECT grade for the essay? NO.
><br> 3: Ignore the issue altogether? Well, I think an
>'F' and a referral to the school counselor would have sufficed.
><p>If you feel the need to shout left/right, knock yourself out.
><br>FWIW, this (and too many other issues) are automatically graded into
>Left/Right parameters by the media and FAR too many citizens.
><br>When the self-labeled 'left' and the self-labeled 'right' go to war,
>it is okay to refer to the groups as such.
><br>
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Just to keep this on topic, lemme
>get this straight:
><br>>You see nothing worrisome whatsoever that such an essay was submitted
>as classwork and received a perfect grade?
><br>>
><br>Nope. I think the kid put out a good creative effort, and only
>a sadistic jackass expects perfect spelling and grammar from a kid that
>age.</blockquote>
>A thirteen year old should be able to spell "wait."
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>I think the fact that you want to punish the kid
>for not having college level writing skills,</blockquote>
>College level? Get serious. That "paper" is beneath a ten-year-old.
><br>"Punish" with an "F", not jail time... for bad academics, not because
>the kid is a latent Columbino.
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>and simultaneously howling that the kid talked about
>drugs and violence</blockquote>
>Sorry Zepp: read back. I've never advocated anything more than a trip to
>counsellor. I am concerned about the violence in the kids essay, but I
>am not in favor of the idea of "thought crime." The kid was treated as
>a thought criminal, and that is wrong.
><br>
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>while at the same time trying to blame such grundyish
>PCism on non-existant liberals</blockquote>
>You're not making any sense here.
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>shows the moral and mental bankrupcy of American
>conservative thought.</blockquote>
>Squirm squirm.
><br>Just address the issue.
><br>Why do you think veryone who disagrees with you must be "a conservative"?
>I think your expressing insecurity in your own convictions.
><br>
><br>
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