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David Goldman

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Jul 31, 2003, 11:41:15 AM7/31/03
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Jawohl! Sieg Heil der Zionistiche Fuhrer, Herr Sharon mit den
Kommandanten so wie Mofaz und die aendere verabsheuliche Menschen!!
Izrael Uber Alles!!
Zionismus Macht Frei!!

w w w . h a a r e t z d a i l y . c o m

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Last update - 18:08 31/07/2003
MKs okay bill preventing Palestinians from getting citizenship
By Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service

The Knesset plenum approved Thursday the second and third readings of
a bill to prevent Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens from
receiving citizenship or permanent residency status.

The bill, which has been denounced by its opponents as 'racist' and
'inhumane,' passed by a majority of 53 votes to 25, with one
abstention.

The vote on the amendment to a clause in the citizenship law relating
to family unification was preceded by efforts by the opposition to
stall the ballot.

Labor, Meretz and Arab parties asked that the vote be a vote of no
confidence in the government, which would delay the ballot. But Acting
Prime Minister Silvan Shalom rejected this request, saying that the
vote would be viewed by the government as a vote of confidence, and
therefore could go ahead immediately.

MK Avraham Burg (Labor) said that according to Knesset regulations,
the prime minister must announce in person that he views the vote as a
vote of confidence in the government, and therefore such a move could
not take place without approval from the absent Ariel Sharon.

But Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin then received Sharon's approval in a
telephone conversation, making it possible for the ballot to go ahead.

Ahead of the vote, Army Radio reported that at least three Shinui
Knesset members who opposed the bill were likely to keep to coalition
expectations and abstain from the vote, rather than voting against the
bill.

On Wednesday night, Arab MK Ahmed Tibi (Hadash) attacked Interior
Minister Avraham Poraz (Shinui) for supporting the bill, Army Radio
reported.

"How can you call yourself a liberal?" Tibi asked.

Poraz has said he wasn't "thrilled" with the bill and wished it
weren't necessary, but would abide by it if it became law.

The Knesset Interior and Environment Committee voted Wednesday night
for the second time that day to approve the bill. Knesset Speaker
Rivlin decided Wednesday evening to agree to Meretz MK Roman
Bronfman's request to conduct a re-vote in the committee, which
earlier approved the bill 8-0 in the absence of bill opponents.

The MKs who opposed the bill boycotted the vote to protest what they
said was insufficient time to explain the reasons for their
reservations.

Bill supporters noted that Palestinians who received Israeli
citizenship by marriage were playing a growing role in terror attacks,
a phenomenon that the director the Shin Bet security service Avi
Dichter described in a closed session Tuesday.

Most of those who will be affected by the amendment are Israeli Arabs
who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza, who will now be
unable to live together in Israel.

The committee had been scheduled to vote on the matter on Tuesday, but
the vote on an amended version of the bill was postponed following a
stormy debate.

The committee's legal adviser had recommended amending the bill,
saying the original version constituted an excessive infringement of
civil rights.

According to the new version, the interior minister may grant
citizenship or a six-month residency permit in special cases. The
previous version allowed the minister to grant citizenship or a
three-month residency permit only to Palestinians who "identify with
Israel and its goals" and have acted to defend Israeli security.

The bill, which must be re-approved annually, will be passed by the
full Knesset plenum to allow for parliamentary scrutiny.

Local and international human rights groups have decried the bill as
racist, saying it creates an impossible situation in which couples
will either have to separate or move abroad.

Alien

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Jul 31, 2003, 12:16:49 PM7/31/03
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:41:15 -0400, David Goldman <da...@erols.com>
wrote:

Mr. Goldman, countries do have the right to decide who will or will
not be allowed citizenship, this is the right of all countries. The NK
should Piss off and go back to their shuckle and shake routine.

Norma

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Jul 31, 2003, 12:23:25 PM7/31/03
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David,

Still at it, I see. From a favorite poet of mine, "Wake up! It's time to
pray". Norma

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David Goldman

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Jul 31, 2003, 1:12:33 PM7/31/03
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How idiotic. The Zionist Nazis have singled out a single group of
people for non-residency and citizenship. Of course this doesn't apply
to Russians from Kiev or Moscow but only to native Palestinians.
Sieg Heil!

David Goldman

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Jul 31, 2003, 1:13:56 PM7/31/03
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And does that principle you believe in also apply to the Third Reich
as well??

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:16:49 GMT, Alien <al...@msn.net> wrote:

ALon Katzir

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Jul 31, 2003, 1:33:58 PM7/31/03
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Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)

Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
all the German crap all the time???

Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
immigration laws too!

Beside, we both know very well what is behind this mass Palestinians
marrying Israeli Arabs to get full citizenship... Another way of destroying
the Jewish majority in Israel hence getting control of both Israel and
Palestine. We know this will make you very happy but unfortunately for you,
it aint gonna happen!


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Larry R

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Jul 31, 2003, 2:00:09 PM7/31/03
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Goldman has switched to his mother tongue.
He can't win an argument with his regular crap, so he is trying to get by us
in another language.
He writes to see himself in print, not to prove anything.
Narcism is his only forte.

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Alien

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Jul 31, 2003, 3:20:35 PM7/31/03
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:13:56 -0400, David Goldman <da...@erols.com>
wrote:

>And does that principle you believe in also apply to the Third Reich
>as well??

Ignorant of democracy, Ignorant of History, no telling just how
ignorant you are goldman. Shuckle and shake, you do that best.

David Goldman

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Jul 31, 2003, 3:52:47 PM7/31/03
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In the agregate it doesn't really matter, does it Alonka?? The
Zionazis don't even have the money to fund their immigration police to
expell Thais, Filipinos and Ghanaians. So where will they get the
money to expell some 100,000 "illegal" Palestinians?? Besides, it IS
the Palestinians' country, you know. Some chutzpa. You whining Zionist
narcissists invade the country, kick out a large number of the native
inhabitants, and then proceed to deny them the right to live there.
But a few dollars will go a long way in bribery to look the other way,
as it always does with the Zionist bureaucracy as the State collapses
and people, even Jews, need to put food on the table.
And talk about PR. It's a no-win game for the Zionists. Bye, bye,
Zionist Reich!

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:33:58 -0400, "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com>
wrote:

Theodore Herzl

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Jul 31, 2003, 8:39:37 PM7/31/03
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"ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
>
> Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> all the German crap all the time???
>
> Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> immigration laws too!

Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.



> Beside, we both know very well what is behind this mass Palestinians
> marrying Israeli Arabs to get full citizenship... Another way of destroying
> the Jewish majority in Israel hence getting control of both Israel and
> Palestine. We know this will make you very happy but unfortunately for you,
> it aint gonna happen!

Obviously you have no faith in yourself or your people to live in
harmany and in peace with others.

BTov

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Jul 31, 2003, 10:20:20 PM7/31/03
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David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<rudiiv0rpc7a33itc...@4ax.com>...
> Jawohl! Sieg Heil der Zionistiche Fuhrer, Herr Sharon mit den
> Kommandanten so wie Mofaz und die aendere verabsheuliche Menschen!!
> Izrael Uber Alles!!
> Zionismus Macht Frei!!

seems like goldman suffers a recurring fit of violent lunacy again..
the keyboard's the only means of containing him i guess his mental
institution figured it out..
no surprise here he's crazy and his palestinians are crazy too..

BTov

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Aug 1, 2003, 4:46:09 AM8/1/03
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AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...

> "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> > all the German crap all the time???
> > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> > immigration laws too!

> Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
> would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.

from becoming citizens of what country?
burkina faso? saudi arabia?
go to school

Greg Felton

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Aug 1, 2003, 4:49:34 AM8/1/03
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"ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Was ist los?

Israel demokratische?! Was für Gerumpel sprichst du?
Wie kann ein Zustand, dem Apartheid, Folterung übt, und keine
Beschaffenheit, demokratisch zu benennen?

Es gibt keinen Unterschied zwischen die Dritte Reich und Die
Zionistische Reich. Sharon ist der neue Führer. Kannst du es nicht
verstehen?

Michael W Cook

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Aug 1, 2003, 7:24:42 AM8/1/03
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in article 3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com, Theodore Herzl at
AntiZ...@hotmail.com wrote on 1/8/03 1:39 am:

> "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>> Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
>>
>> Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
>> all the German crap all the time???
>>
>> Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
>> receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
>> immigration laws too!
>
> Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
> would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.

Bad breeding and a small gene pool, it's understandable really.

They want to keep the blood 'in-house', so they can create more monsters
like Sharon and breed more lunatics who believe they are God's chosen
arseholes.

Laughable.

MWC

BTov

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Aug 1, 2003, 8:52:23 AM8/1/03
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gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.0308...@posting.google.com>...

> Was ist los?
> Israel demokratische?! Was für Gerumpel sprichst du?
> Wie kann ein Zustand, dem Apartheid, Folterung übt, und keine
> Beschaffenheit, demokratisch zu benennen?
> Es gibt keinen Unterschied zwischen die Dritte Reich und Die
> Zionistische Reich. Sharon ist der neue Führer. Kannst du es nicht
> verstehen?

and where's your heil?
the portrait of greg moron won't be complete without it

Alon Katzir

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Aug 1, 2003, 10:14:08 AM8/1/03
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"Michael W Cook" <mwc...@crusader-productions.com> wrote in message
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You are such an idiot... ever thought that the Israelis just want a place of
their own to leave in peace like most other nations and not worry about
racist thugs like you??


Alon Katzir

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Aug 1, 2003, 10:19:08 AM8/1/03
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"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> >
> > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's
with
> > all the German crap all the time???
> >
> > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in
and
> > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very
strict
> > immigration laws too!
>
> Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
> would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.

History had showed that Jews were always banned from immigrating and holding
high ranking positions in other countries... nothing new there.

We need a place of our own to call home so we can defend ourselfs from low
lifes nazis like you!

> > Beside, we both know very well what is behind this mass Palestinians
> > marrying Israeli Arabs to get full citizenship... Another way of
destroying
> > the Jewish majority in Israel hence getting control of both Israel and
> > Palestine. We know this will make you very happy but unfortunately for
you,
> > it aint gonna happen!
>
> Obviously you have no faith in yourself or your people to live in
> harmany and in peace with others.
>

I have faith in ourselves... unfortunately I don't have faith in the
Palestinians who to this day have martyr camps and breed the next line of
suicide bombers...


Common ¢

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Aug 1, 2003, 1:34:53 PM8/1/03
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AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...
> "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> >
> > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> > all the German crap all the time???
> >
> > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> > immigration laws too!
>
> Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies.

That's old, old news, bin Herzl. Jews have been not just banned from
being citizens, but longtime citizens were expelled (pronounced
"ethnically cleansed") from most all Arab countries simply for being
Jewish. NOT for terror against the people of those countries, as in
the case of Israel.

In fact, I
> would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> course.

Already happened. Old news once again. But what else can we expect of
Jewbaiting trash like yourself?
Nobody is being expelled from Israel, unless they commit terror
against the people of Israel. The Jews of Arabia were not guilty of
terrorism or crimes against the Arab countries, but were expelled (and
their property expropriated) just the same.


>You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.

For a "just plain disgusting example of human trash" please consult
the nearest mirror.

{bovine excrescences snipped}

Greg Felton

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Aug 1, 2003, 1:37:39 PM8/1/03
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dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote in message news:<bd24d00f.03073...@posting.google.com>...

> David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<rudiiv0rpc7a33itc...@4ax.com>...
> > Jawohl! Sieg Heil der Zionistiche Fuhrer, Herr Sharon mit den
> > Kommandanten so wie Mofaz und die aendere verabsheuliche Menschen!!
> > Izrael Uber Alles!!
> > Zionismus Macht Frei!!

<pointless, derogarotry insult to David Goldman snipped for taste>

Greg Felton

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Aug 1, 2003, 2:07:36 PM8/1/03
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dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote in message news:<bd24d00f.03080...@posting.google.com>...

> gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.0308...@posting.google.com>...
> > Was ist los?
> > Israel demokratische?! Was für Gerumpel sprichst du?
> > Wie kann ein Zustand, dem Apartheid, Folterung übt, und keine
> > Beschaffenheit, demokratisch zu benennen?
> > Es gibt keinen Unterschied zwischen die Dritte Reich und Die
> > Zionistische Reich. Sharon ist der neue Führer. Kannst du es nicht
> > verstehen?
Oder, bist du ein JudeNazi?

Genome Ranger

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Aug 1, 2003, 3:12:31 PM8/1/03
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It amazes me how uncompassionate some Israeli people can be
considering all the suffering jewish people have had to endure. You
sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes. Gee I guess that
makes it less brutal. Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and
Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers? Does that make it
okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.

dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote in message news:<bd24d00f.03073...@posting.google.com>...

Alon Katzir

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Aug 1, 2003, 3:42:02 PM8/1/03
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"Genome Ranger" <osir...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It amazes me how uncompassionate some Israeli people can be
> considering all the suffering jewish people have had to endure. You
> sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes. Gee I guess that
> makes it less brutal.

Where are your facts??? Israelis target terrorists only... if they wanted
to, they could have leveled the territories a long time ago... yes innocent
people die in these bombings but have you ever asked yourself why?? Maybe
its because these cowards use civilian places to launch attacks against
Israel because they know that idiots like you will jump and cry foul. As
far as "Bulldozing" homes... get your facts straight... only homes of
suicide bombers and homes used to launch rocket attacks against Israel were
bombed!!

> Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and
> Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers? Does that make it
> okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
> concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
> against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
> filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
> treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.
>

How can you even compare the two?? Palestinians had a chance to get their
own independent state and they turned it down... what was their response to
Barak's offer? suicide bombings... What do you want Israel to do? Just sit
back and let their citizens blow up???

Theodore Herzl

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"Alon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<hGuWa.1516$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...

> "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com...
> > "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> > > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> > >
> > > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's
> with
> > > all the German crap all the time???
> > >
> > > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in
> and
> > > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very
> strict
> > > immigration laws too!
> >
> > Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> > from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> > by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> > from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
> > would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> > Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> > course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.
>
> History had showed that Jews were always banned from immigrating and holding
> high ranking positions in other countries... nothing new there.3

Maybe at one time in history, that may be true, but it is not true
today in other countries. The rest of the free worlds democracies
long ago realized racism, like that of Israel's, is wrong and outlaw
such draconian behavior.

> We need a place of our own to call home so we can defend ourselfs from low
> lifes nazis like you!

Israel, by passing racist apartheid laws like this one, has provem
that today's Nazi's are the people of Israel, who keep electing the
fascist Likud party to represent them and their sick apartheid
principals.

Take a good look in the mirror ZioNazi.

Alon Katzir

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Aug 1, 2003, 4:25:05 PM8/1/03
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"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cut the crap... even to this day, Jews suffer all over the world...
including in their own country. Like I said earlier, the government of
Israel must do whatever it takes to protect its citizens no matter what
retards like you say.

> > We need a place of our own to call home so we can defend ourselfs from
low
> > lifes nazis like you!
>
> Israel, by passing racist apartheid laws like this one, has provem
> that today's Nazi's are the people of Israel, who keep electing the
> fascist Likud party to represent them and their sick apartheid
> principals.
>
> Take a good look in the mirror ZioNazi.
>

Just an FYI to you shmock!! The likud party is the one that is responsible
for the peace treaty with Egypt... Also this party was freely elected by the
citizens unlike the Palestinian dictator...

So you should take a look in the mirror you stincking Nazi!

Greg Felton

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shmul...@hotmail.com (Common ¢) wrote in message news:<382e383a.03080...@posting.google.com>...

> AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...
> > "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> > >
> > > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> > > all the German crap all the time???
> > >
> > > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> > > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> > > immigration laws too!
> >
> > Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> > from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> > by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> > from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies.
>
> That's old, old news, bin Herzl. Jews have been not just banned from
> being citizens, but longtime citizens were expelled (pronounced
> "ethnically cleansed") from most all Arab countries simply for being
> Jewish. NOT for terror against the people of those countries, as in
> the case of Israel.
>
> In fact, I
> > would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> > Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> > course.

This is standard Zionist disinformation. Jews in Arab countries lived
well and suffered little discrimination. The fiction of mistreatment
of Jews has to be concocted so that the systematic terror mistreatment
of Arabs can be excused.

The dispossession of nearly 800,000 Palestinians from Nov. 29, 1947,
to Dec. 31, 1948, is too obvious to be hidden, so the Zionist
terrorists have to manufacture a false equivalence to make their
criminality seem legitimate:

Of course, Jews themselved condicted terror campaigns in Arabia to
force Jews to come to Palestine:

"In 1950-51, Israeli intelligence agents and terrorists bombed
synagogues in Iraq to frighten Jews to come to Israel. (You see, not
enough Jews came from Europe to populate the Jewish state. In 1948, 80
percent expressed a preference to emigrate to the U.S. Quelle
embarrassment! Consequently, Israeli agencies had to terrorize their
own co-religionists to come to Israel.)

"The tactic was applied later in Egypt and Iran. On June 11, 1951,
U.S. assistant secretary of state George McGhee criticized Israel for
its Iraq operation. "It was one thing to take Jews from all over the
world who were in distress, but it was another matter entirely to
attempt to create circumstances which would stimulate immigration of
Jews from areas where they were living in peace."
John Quigley, Palestine and Israel–A Challenge to Justice, p.101

JGB

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David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<kdjiiv8equh5plki4...@4ax.com>...

> How idiotic. The Zionist Nazis have singled out a single group of
> people for non-residency and citizenship. Of course this doesn't apply
> to Russians from Kiev or Moscow but only to native Palestinians.<

You said it. They are Palestinians and not Israelis. They belong in
Palestine. They, like your antizionist Khazars, do not serve in the
IDF and they should both be deported to Ramallah, Jenin, or better yet,
Hungary or Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

Michael W Cook

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Aug 1, 2003, 7:08:23 PM8/1/03
to
in article BBuWa.1515$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com, Alon Katzir at
NOS...@NOSPAM.com wrote on 1/8/03 3:14 pm:

You don't know me and have never met me, therefore you are not qualified to
make such a statement.

> ever thought that the Israelis just want a place of
> their own to leave in peace like most other nations and not worry about
> racist thugs like you??

Racist thug now, and your evidence, sir, for such a loaded statement ?

Yes, I used to support the Zionists, in their struggle for a home of their
own and peace. But that's not what it's about is it ?

I now believe Zionism and all that is wrapped up in it is evil, I suggest
you open your eyes too sir.

MWC

Theodore Herzl

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Aug 1, 2003, 7:17:08 PM8/1/03
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shmul...@hotmail.com (Common ¢) wrote in message news:<382e383a.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...
> > "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> > >
> > > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> > > all the German crap all the time???
> > >
> > > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> > > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> > > immigration laws too!
> >
> > Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> > from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> > by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> > from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies.
>
> That's old, old news, bin Herzl. Jews have been not just banned from
> being citizens, but longtime citizens were expelled (pronounced
> "ethnically cleansed") from most all Arab countries simply for being
> Jewish. NOT for terror against the people of those countries, as in
> the case of Israel.

Israel is setting the precedent for not just Arab countries, but every
country in the world. You can no longer complain about the Arab
countries "former policies" when you are supporting the "current
policies: of a racist apartheid regime such as Israel. I could accept
Israel's law if it said that convicted terrorists cannot marry into
citizenship, but to just say Palestinians, is nothing but racism at
it's worsts. Anyone who would attempt to defend such a sick policy
is also a racist. Yes that means you.

> In fact, I
> > would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> > Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> > course.
>
> Already happened. Old news once again. But what else can we expect of
> Jewbaiting trash like yourself?
> Nobody is being expelled from Israel, unless they commit terror
> against the people of Israel. The Jews of Arabia were not guilty of
> terrorism or crimes against the Arab countries, but were expelled (and
> their property expropriated) just the same.
> >You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.

It is amazing how far racist's like yourself will go to attempt to
legitimize prejudice as a policy of the Israeli regime. Stop pointing
your fingers at other racist regimes in order to justify Israels
racist policies. If you think the actions of the Arab countries was
wrong, why are you supporting racism now. Apparently you, unlike
myself, are only are opposed to racism when applied to Jews and not
when applied to other groups as you should be.

You're the worst kind of racist.

Michael W Cook

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Aug 1, 2003, 7:18:59 PM8/1/03
to
in article _ozWa.1564$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com, Alon Katzir at
NOS...@NOSPAM.com wrote on 1/8/03 8:42 pm:

> Where are your facts??? Israelis target terrorists only...

And today's joker in the pack is...........

ZioNazis target innocent women and children, they also target the
International press, peace protestors and run bulldozers over young American
women.

The IDF is no better than Hamas and Islamic Jihad, they all murder innocent
people and target the civilian populations.

MWC


Theodore Herzl

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Aug 1, 2003, 7:54:46 PM8/1/03
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Alien <al...@msn.net> wrote in message news:<7qqiiv0uudkbi8h5o...@4ax.com>...

David was asking you a simple question, if as you say, "countries do


have the right to decide who will or will not be allowed citizenship,

this is the right of all countries" then when another country begins
to deport Jews, you will of course support those decisions 100% as it
is their right.

And your acusing someone else of being ignorant of history and
democracy. BAWAAHAAHAHAAHAH......You must be kidding...
BAWAAHAHAHAAAHA

Greg Felton

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Aug 1, 2003, 11:49:38 PM8/1/03
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"Alon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<_ozWa.1564$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...

Genome ranger is dead right, and all you can do is cite discreditied
Zionist propaganda.

Paletinians never had a chance for their own state. Barak's offer was
crap. as I proved in my column "The whole world's watching!"

Terror begets terror and the Zionazis started it.

And spare us the drivelling and whinging about "poor Jewish souls."
Nobody gives a shit.

Jews are not special. They are not God's chosen people. They're lives
are nnot worth more because they are Jews. Get over yourself and your
stupid religious conceit.

BTov

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Aug 2, 2003, 10:21:43 PM8/2/03
to
Michael W Cook <mwc...@crusader-productions.com> wrote in message news:<BB50B3EF.A6FF%mwc...@crusader-productions.com>...

> in article _ozWa.1564$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com, Alon Katzir at
> NOS...@NOSPAM.com wrote on 1/8/03 8:42 pm:
>
> > Where are your facts??? Israelis target terrorists only...
>
> And today's joker in the pack is...........

the super moron poster michaello w KooKster as usual



> ZioNazis target innocent women and children, they also target the
> International press, peace protestors and run bulldozers over young American
> women.
> The IDF is no better than Hamas and Islamic Jihad, they all murder innocent
> people and target the civilian populations.

you should think about the career change
you've too crude a brain for monasteries
shooting porn will suit you fine
lol

BTov

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Aug 2, 2003, 10:27:40 PM8/2/03
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osir...@comcast.net (Genome Ranger) wrote in message news:<b838fc44.0308...@posting.google.com>...

> It amazes me how uncompassionate some Israeli people can be
> considering all the suffering jewish people have had to endure.

you're so phony!

> You
> sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes.

don't shoot from these homes

> Gee I guess that
> makes it less brutal. Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and
> Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers?

they'll break any agreement once they have them
no doubt about that

> Does that make it
> okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
> concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
> against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
> filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
> treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.

get a life and a brain..

BTov

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Aug 2, 2003, 10:33:11 PM8/2/03
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gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.03080...@posting.google.com>...

get a life

David Goldman

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Aug 2, 2003, 11:26:51 PM8/2/03
to
Achtung! Sieg Heil!! Izrael Uber Alles!!
Araber Raus!!
Machen Sie mehr Lebensraum fur die zionistichen Reich zu haben!
Zionismus macht frei!!
Jawohl der Fuhrer Sharon!!

Greg Felton

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Aug 3, 2003, 2:10:38 AM8/3/03
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Get a brain

dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote in message news:<bd24d00f.03080...@posting.google.com>...

Giora Drachsler

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Aug 3, 2003, 2:45:21 AM8/3/03
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"Michael W Cook" <mwc...@crusader-productions.com> wrote in message
news:BB50B3EF.A6FF%mwc...@crusader-productions.com...


Once, you filtered your words and thoughts, but not anymore. Too bad,
because your rage is unsubstantiated and comes from limited information,
from the wrong sources. More than once I suggested you to widen your
knowledge base - I promise you again, you'll be amazed.
--
Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel


Giora Drachsler

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Aug 3, 2003, 2:18:39 AM8/3/03
to
If you would have take the effort to read the whole article, instead of the
headline only, you would have spoken differently, but that would have
heat up your brain above boiling point. Superficial, as usual, lazy to
think, quick to react, typical bigot, aren't you, behema?

--
Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel

"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message


news:rudiiv0rpc7a33itc...@4ax.com...
> Jawohl! Sieg Heil der Zionistiche Fuhrer, Herr Sharon mit den
> Kommandanten so wie Mofaz und die aendere verabsheuliche Menschen!!
> Izrael Uber Alles!!
> Zionismus Macht Frei!!
>

Giora Drachsler

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Aug 3, 2003, 2:39:19 AM8/3/03
to
"Michael W Cook" <mwc...@crusader-productions.com> wrote in message
news:BB500C66.A64E%mwc...@crusader-productions.com...

> >>
> >> Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in
and
> >> receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very
strict
> >> immigration laws too!
> >
> > Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> > from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> > by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> > from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies. In fact, I
> > would think this law would also be justification for mass expulsion of
> > Jews from other countries, to regain their non-Jewish identity of
> > course. You people are just plain disgusting examples of human trash.
>
> Bad breeding and a small gene pool, it's understandable really.
>
> They want to keep the blood 'in-house', so they can create more monsters
> like Sharon and breed more lunatics who believe they are God's chosen
> arseholes.
>
> Laughable.
>
> MWC


That's low, coming from a man of culture. You too, if you would have
took the liberty to read the whole article, instead of the headline, would
have
spoken differently.

Your outrage is stupid, just because the Arabs outcry? In a nutshell, this
law closes a legal loophole that the Palestinians abused it to live in
Israel,
they hate so much. As long as only personal benefits were the reasons,
Israel didn't put any restrictions, but when the terrorists organizations
begun
to use it to infiltrate its members, Israel had to move.

Let me remind you on what your rage came: Israel's Parliament, voted for
a Law limiting the uncontrolled infiltration of Palestinians to Israel!!!

Much in the same tone, the outcry against the fence between Israel and
the PA. I could heard the voices: "Now we'll have to cross the border
through the gates!!". Really disgusting.

BTov

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Aug 3, 2003, 9:23:05 PM8/3/03
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gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> Get a brain

go catch farts

Lisa R.

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Aug 3, 2003, 10:33:28 PM8/3/03
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AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...
> "ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
> >
> > Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's with
> > all the German crap all the time???
> >
> > Israel, as a democratic nation, has a right to decide who can come in and
> > receive full rights... Look at Japan as an example. They have very strict
> > immigration laws too!
>
> Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies.

Could you please hold off on it? We Jews would first like to declare
jihad against you for at least fifty years.

After that, you can expel us in good conscience.


Lisa

Susan Cohen

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Aug 3, 2003, 11:30:54 PM8/3/03
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"Lisa R." <mand...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7aa8d371.03080...@posting.google.com...
> AN...@hotmail.com wrote in message
news:<3a44d57.03073...@posting.google.com>...
>

> > Glad to hear we will have your full support for new laws banning Jews
> > from becoming citizens in other countries following the precedent set
> > by Israel. Please do not be surprised to see some serious backlash
> > from other countries due to Israel's Racist policies.
>
> Could you please hold off on it? We Jews would first like to declare
> jihad against you for at least fifty years.
>
> After that, you can expel us in good conscience.

Don't you love how the Jews are supposed to lay down & die for those who
have sworn to destroy us? And we're racists if we complain about it, too.

Susan


Giora Drachsler

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Aug 4, 2003, 1:57:54 AM8/4/03
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"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a44d57.03080...@posting.google.com...

> >
> > History had showed that Jews were always banned from immigrating and
holding
> > high ranking positions in other countries... nothing new there.3
>
> Maybe at one time in history, that may be true, but it is not true
> today in other countries. The rest of the free worlds democracies
> long ago realized racism, like that of Israel's, is wrong and outlaw
> such draconian behavior.


Some time in history? Practically in all history, Jews were persecuted
by most. Did you wonder why Jews in the emancipated Europe have
those funny names: Taylor, Gardner, Schumacher and alike? About
two centuries ago, Jews were banned to have last names so they were
called by their profession.

Now, you are right that today, in most Western democracies, about
2% of the countries in the world, anti-Semitism if a penal offence and
practically, you can't find it, but everywhere else, in a for or another,
it's up and live, look at your postings.

Theodore Herzl

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Aug 4, 2003, 2:24:12 PM8/4/03
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"Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:<bgktji$ppb$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>...

> "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3a44d57.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > History had showed that Jews were always banned from immigrating and
> holding
> > > high ranking positions in other countries... nothing new there.3
> >
> > Maybe at one time in history, that may be true, but it is not true
> > today in other countries. The rest of the free worlds democracies
> > long ago realized racism, like that of Israel's, is wrong and outlaw
> > such draconian behavior.
>
>
> Some time in history? Practically in all history, Jews were persecuted
> by most. Did you wonder why Jews in the emancipated Europe have
> those funny names: Taylor, Gardner, Schumacher and alike? About
> two centuries ago, Jews were banned to have last names so they were
> called by their profession.

So, unless you think that the previous racism was justified or
warranted, why are you defending Israeli racism when applied BY Jews
against others? Like Israeli racism today, I'm sure those countries
came up with a good reason in their demented minds ("to protect their
non Jewish character" no doubt) to justify their racism also. That
was a long time ago, however, and civilized societies long ago
outlawed such racist policies, which still leaves open the question,
why is Israel such a racist country???



> Now, you are right that today, in most Western democracies, about
> 2% of the countries in the world, anti-Semitism if a penal offence and
> practically, you can't find it, but everywhere else, in a for or another,
> it's up and live, look at your postings.

Anti-Semitism by itself should never be banned exclusively as racism
must be outlawed collectively, not selectively. Any countries, like
Israel, who try to impose racism as policy, should suffer severe
economic and political sanctions from the world.

It would be racist to make special laws that only protect "Jews" from
persecution, and such laws might be used to protect an country like
Israel from having international laws enforced upon it for fear of
being called anti-Semitic which might let countries who continually
violate the rights of others hide behind these laws and that would be
wrong.

Genome Ranger

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Aug 4, 2003, 4:15:03 PM8/4/03
to
Wow...'you're so phony...get a brain...' you sir are a paragon of
intellectual debate. I am floored by your ability to retort with 3 to
6 word responses with no substance whatsoever. Well, let me give you
the benefit of the doubt:


> you're so phony!

No, I really meant it, I REALLY am amazed at how uncompassionate some
Israeli people can be.


> > You
> > sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> > helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes.

> don't shoot from these homes

I have a series of photographs of an execution style humiliation and
murder of a palestinian teenager by IDF forces. No trial, no judge.
Nice democracy you have going.



> > Gee I guess that
> > makes it less brutal. Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and

> > Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers?

> they'll break any agreement once they have them
> no doubt about that

Who said anything about agreements? In what way does breaking an
agreement have anything to do with my statement about F16s and
Apaches? Once again, you are a master debator.



> > Does that make it
> > okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
> > concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
> > against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
> > filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
> > treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.

> get a life and a brain..

More profound responses. I've got an IQ of 140, I am one of many
people who worked on the Human Genome Project, and I am employed by
MIT. So I think that means I have a life and brain. When you get one
come talk to me again.

Genome Ranger

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Aug 4, 2003, 4:20:15 PM8/4/03
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"Alon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<_ozWa.1564$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com>...

> "Genome Ranger" <osir...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:b838fc44.0308...@posting.google.com...
> > It amazes me how uncompassionate some Israeli people can be
> > considering all the suffering jewish people have had to endure. You
> > sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> > helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes. Gee I guess that
> > makes it less brutal.
>
> Where are your facts??? Israelis target terrorists only... if they wanted
> to, they could have leveled the territories a long time ago... yes innocent
> people die in these bombings but have you ever asked yourself why?? Maybe
> its because these cowards use civilian places to launch attacks against
> Israel because they know that idiots like you will jump and cry foul. As
> far as "Bulldozing" homes... get your facts straight... only homes of
> suicide bombers and homes used to launch rocket attacks against Israel were
> bombed!!

1000 palestinian dead, 300 israeli dead, after 18 mths of 2nd
Intifadah. Some how I doubt all those palestinians are terrorists.
I've got pictures of executional style shootings of palestinian
teenangers by IDF forces. They were even kind enough to pull his pants
off to humiliate him before plastering his brain all over the street.
Oh, yeah, and I doubt every person in Jenin is a terrorist.

> > Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and
> > Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers? Does that make it
> > okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
> > concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
> > against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
> > filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
> > treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.
> >
>
> How can you even compare the two?? Palestinians had a chance to get their
> own independent state and they turned it down... what was their response to
> Barak's offer? suicide bombings... What do you want Israel to do? Just sit
> back and let their citizens blow up???

The 'chance' you speak of divided the 'state' into 20+ zones
controlled by IDF. How is that independent?

BTov

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Aug 4, 2003, 5:08:57 PM8/4/03
to
gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote in message news:<bd24d00f.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> > gfe...@mediamonitors.org (Greg Felton) wrote in message news:<22a34000.0308...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Was ist los?
> > > Israel demokratische?! Was für Gerumpel sprichst du?
> > > Wie kann ein Zustand, dem Apartheid, Folterung übt, und keine
> > > Beschaffenheit, demokratisch zu benennen?
> > > Es gibt keinen Unterschied zwischen die Dritte Reich und Die
> > > Zionistische Reich. Sharon ist der neue Führer. Kannst du es nicht
> > > verstehen?
> Oder, bist du ein JudeNazi?

the mediamonitors psychopath greg fooltoon mindrot..

Common ¢

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Aug 4, 2003, 9:05:28 PM8/4/03
to
AntiZ...@hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl) wrote in message news:<3a44d57.03080...@posting.google.com>...

I've checked your recent posts. Anything Arab or Palestinian is
depicted as righteous, peace-loving and just (the diametrical opposite
of what exists today in any Islamic nation). Anything Israeli or
Jewish you smear as inherently evil. If it's a racist you're looking
for you'll find one in the nearest mirror.

BTov

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Aug 4, 2003, 11:17:56 PM8/4/03
to
osir...@comcast.net (Genome Ranger) wrote in message news:<b838fc44.0308...@posting.google.com>...
> Wow...'you're so phony...get a brain...' you sir are a paragon of
> intellectual debate. I am floored by your ability to retort with 3 to
> 6 word responses with no substance whatsoever. Well, let me give you
> the benefit of the doubt:

bullshit

> > you're so phony!
>
> No, I really meant it, I REALLY am amazed at how uncompassionate some
> Israeli people can be.

arabs terrorise jews
blame jews for terrorising them
and come here complaining no jew cares if arabs hit the hell
payback's a bitch



> > > You
> > > sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> > > helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes.
>
> > don't shoot from these homes
>
> I have a series of photographs of an execution style humiliation and
> murder of a palestinian teenager by IDF forces. No trial, no judge.
> Nice democracy you have going.

ahummm..i'll fire up my graphics station
and you'll see me speaking next to bush on the white house lawn too..



> > > Gee I guess that
> > > makes it less brutal. Dont you think if the Palestinians had F16s and
> > > Apaches they'd use that instead of suicide bombers?
>
> > they'll break any agreement once they have them
> > no doubt about that

> Who said anything about agreements? In what way does breaking an
> agreement have anything to do with my statement about F16s and
> Apaches? Once again, you are a master debator.

on the other hand it's sad they don't have f16s..;)



> > > Does that make it
> > > okay in your book now? Do you think that some of poor jewish souls in
> > > concentration camps during WW2 wouldnt have take up suicide bombing
> > > against their german captors if they had the means instead of live in
> > > filth, torture and starvation? Shame on you people who speak of and
> > > treat Palestinians the same way the Germans treated the Jews.
>
> > get a life and a brain..
>
> More profound responses. I've got an IQ of 140, I am one of many
> people who worked on the Human Genome Project, and I am employed by
> MIT. So I think that means I have a life and brain. When you get one
> come talk to me again.

hmmmmmm..you claim you have both..then what are doing here posting moronities?

Giora Drachsler

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Aug 5, 2003, 2:16:28 AM8/5/03
to
"ALon Katzir" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:VqcWa.1445$j_5....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Goldman my friend... long time no hear :)
>
> Were you by any chance a German soldier in your previous life?? what's
with
> all the German crap all the time???


People that hate cats, will come back as mice in their next life. goldman
as a Zionist.

Giora Drachsler

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Aug 5, 2003, 2:28:23 AM8/5/03
to
"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a44d57.03080...@posting.google.com...
> "Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
news:<bgktji$ppb$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>...
> > >
> > Some time in history? Practically in all history, Jews were persecuted
> > by most. Did you wonder why Jews in the emancipated Europe have
> > those funny names: Taylor, Gardner, Schumacher and alike? About
> > two centuries ago, Jews were banned to have last names so they were
> > called by their profession.
>
> So, unless you think that the previous racism was justified or
> warranted, why are you defending Israeli racism when applied BY Jews
> against others? Like Israeli racism today, I'm sure those countries
> came up with a good reason in their demented minds ("to protect their
> non Jewish character" no doubt) to justify their racism also. That
> was a long time ago, however, and civilized societies long ago
> outlawed such racist policies, which still leaves open the question,
> why is Israel such a racist country???

Spreading ignorance. What Israeli racism are you talking? Come back
when better informed.

> > Now, you are right that today, in most Western democracies, about
> > 2% of the countries in the world, anti-Semitism if a penal offence and
> > practically, you can't find it, but everywhere else, in a for or
another,
> > it's up and live, look at your postings.
>
> Anti-Semitism by itself should never be banned exclusively as racism
> must be outlawed collectively, not selectively. Any countries, like
> Israel, who try to impose racism as policy, should suffer severe
> economic and political sanctions from the world.

> It would be racist to make special laws that only protect "Jews" from
> persecution, and such laws might be used to protect an country like
> Israel from having international laws enforced upon it for fear of
> being called anti-Semitic which might let countries who continually
> violate the rights of others hide behind these laws and that would be
> wrong.

Ignorance again. What racism? What laws?

I don't know what makes you so bitter, but before you reply, give
yourself one second to wonder on the reliability of your info sources.

Giora Drachsler

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"Genome Ranger" <osir...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Where are your facts??? Israelis target terrorists only... if they
wanted
> > to, they could have leveled the territories a long time ago... yes
innocent
> > people die in these bombings but have you ever asked yourself why??
Maybe
> > its because these cowards use civilian places to launch attacks against
> > Israel because they know that idiots like you will jump and cry foul.
As
> > far as "Bulldozing" homes... get your facts straight... only homes of
> > suicide bombers and homes used to launch rocket attacks against Israel
were
> > bombed!!
>
> 1000 palestinian dead, 300 israeli dead, after 18 mths of 2nd
> Intifadah. Some how I doubt all those palestinians are terrorists.
> I've got pictures of executional style shootings of palestinian
> teenangers by IDF forces. They were even kind enough to pull his pants
> off to humiliate him before plastering his brain all over the street.
> Oh, yeah, and I doubt every person in Jenin is a terrorist.

A picture worth a thousand words and a false picture worth a
thousand lies. The Arab propaganda quickly learned how to influence
your reasoning by spreading false images. Do you remember
Muhamed Dura, the 5 year old Pali child killed "on line"? It turned
out that the poor soul died of a Palestinian bullet, not before the Arab
propaganda presented it to prove that Israel targets children and
the world media transmitted, for days it, as such, without any credibility
test, small wonder that people like you got the wrong image.

So much for your "executional style shootings". Please, make
a break in your hatred offensive and get better informed. Even
the PA broadcasts are talking differently than you, why do you
want to be more Christian than the Pope?

Giora Drachsler

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"Genome Ranger" <osir...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> No, I really meant it, I REALLY am amazed at how uncompassionate some
> Israeli people can be.

Try get informed from the right sources.

> > > You
> > > sit here and complain about suicide bombers when your F16s and Apache
> > > helicopters and bulldozers level civilian homes.

They hit, with pin point precision terrorists in their car or buildings.
That
those terrorists often hide behind civilians is well known. As a rule,
civilians
get hit on both sides, however, while the Palis target civilians
intentionally,
Israel target only the terrorists; from time to time, there are civilian
casualties,
but they are accidental, not that the Arab propaganda doesn't do it's best
to "prove" the opposite, the world media broadcast it without check-up and
you are limited enough to build castels in the air.

> I have a series of photographs of an execution style humiliation and
> murder of a palestinian teenager by IDF forces. No trial, no judge.
> Nice democracy you have going.

Check the photographs again and remember that a false picture
worth a thousand lies.

> > get a life and a brain..


>
> More profound responses. I've got an IQ of 140, I am one of many
> people who worked on the Human Genome Project, and I am employed by
> MIT. So I think that means I have a life and brain. When you get one
> come talk to me again.

Then, before you put your 140 to work, make sure you are well informed.

Theodore Herzl

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Aug 5, 2003, 5:13:23 PM8/5/03
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"Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:<bgnjv6$r39$3...@news.iucc.ac.il>...

> "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3a44d57.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > "Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
> news:<bgktji$ppb$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>...
> > > >
> > > Some time in history? Practically in all history, Jews were persecuted
> > > by most. Did you wonder why Jews in the emancipated Europe have
> > > those funny names: Taylor, Gardner, Schumacher and alike? About
> > > two centuries ago, Jews were banned to have last names so they were
> > > called by their profession.
> >
> > So, unless you think that the previous racism was justified or
> > warranted, why are you defending Israeli racism when applied BY Jews
> > against others? Like Israeli racism today, I'm sure those countries
> > came up with a good reason in their demented minds ("to protect their
> > non Jewish character" no doubt) to justify their racism also. That
> > was a long time ago, however, and civilized societies long ago
> > outlawed such racist policies, which still leaves open the question,
> > why is Israel such a racist country???
>
> Spreading ignorance. What Israeli racism are you talking? Come back
> when better informed.

Let's see..... Oh yes, I've got one. How about banning citizenship
through marriage only when one of the couple is a "Palestinian" for
instance?????

If you don't see that as racist, then I'm your moral fiber has been
damanged severly by the evil teachings of Zionism. If you denounce
Zionism and rejoin the human race immediately, you might still be able
to reverse the damage.

> > > Now, you are right that today, in most Western democracies, about
> > > 2% of the countries in the world, anti-Semitism if a penal offence and
> > > practically, you can't find it, but everywhere else, in a for or
> another,
> > > it's up and live, look at your postings.
> >
> > Anti-Semitism by itself should never be banned exclusively as racism
> > must be outlawed collectively, not selectively. Any countries, like
> > Israel, who try to impose racism as policy, should suffer severe
> > economic and political sanctions from the world.
>
> > It would be racist to make special laws that only protect "Jews" from
> > persecution, and such laws might be used to protect an country like
> > Israel from having international laws enforced upon it for fear of
> > being called anti-Semitic which might let countries who continually
> > violate the rights of others hide behind these laws and that would be
> > wrong.
>
> Ignorance again. What racism? What laws?

Israel's passed the racist bill recently, I don't think they've
entered into law yet, but the bill itself is most certainly racist. I
the US tried to pass a law preventing Jews from becoming citizens
through marriage, Jews would be screaming anti-Semitism until your
ears burn. Yet when the roles are reversed, it is amazing how
acceptable racism can be now isn't it. After all, the US must
protect itself from spies like Pollard, so it is justified for the
protection of the United States right????



> I don't know what makes you so bitter, but before you reply, give
> yourself one second to wonder on the reliability of your info sources.

I'm not bitter, just disgusted with the Israeli apartheid regime.

Deborah Sharavi

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Aug 5, 2003, 6:41:40 PM8/5/03
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<<<"Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il<wrote:

<<<<Some time in history? Practically in all history, Jews were persecuted
<<<<by most. Did you wonder why Jews in the emancipated Europe have
<<<<those funny names: Taylor, Gardner, Schumacher and alike? About
<<<<two centuries ago, Jews were banned to have last names so they were
<<<<called by their profession.

<<"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com<wrote:


<<<So, unless you think that the previous racism was justified or
<<<warranted, why are you defending Israeli racism when applied BY Jews
<<<against others?

What racism?

<<<Like Israeli racism today, I'm sure those countries
<<<came up with a good reason in their demented minds ("to protect their
<<<non Jewish character" no doubt) to justify their racism also. That
<<<was a long time ago, however, and civilized societies long ago
<<<outlawed such racist policies, which still leaves open the question,
<<<why is Israel such a racist country???

<"Giora Drachsler" <gi...@cc.huji.ac.il<wrote:


<<Spreading ignorance. What Israeli racism are you talking? Come back
<<when better informed.

That'll be the day. Teds still hasn't produced that list of
the numerous terrorist acts he claimed Ben-Gurion committed.

"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZ...@hotmail.com<wrote:


<Let's see..... Oh yes, I've got one.

ONE. Like Teds got ONE terrorist act - out of the numerous
terrorist acts he claimed Ben-Gurion committed – and his
ONE terrorist act he claimed for Ben-Gurion turned out to
be the King David Hotel bombing.

<How about banning citizenship
<through marriage only when one of the couple is a "Palestinian" for
<instance?????
<If you don't see that as racist, then I'm your moral fiber has been
<damanged severly by the evil teachings of Zionism. If you denounce
<Zionism and rejoin the human race immediately, you might still be able
<to reverse the damage.

It isn't racist, in that it isn't directed against any race. Just
against the Pallies who have been given Israeli citizenship
only to engineer suicide bombings. And it doesn't ban citizenship
entirely; it's temporary, and will last only one year - unlike
Pallie law, which prohibits entry into PA territory of ANY
Israeli married to a Pallie.

But that one's not racist - right, Teds?

<<<<Now, you are right that today, in most Western democracies, about
<<<<2% of the countries in the world, anti-Semitism if a penal offence and
<<<<practically, you can't find it, but everywhere else, in a for or
<< another,
<<<<it's up and live, look at your postings.

<<<Anti-Semitism by itself should never be banned exclusively as racism
<<<must be outlawed collectively, not selectively. Any countries, like
<<<Israel, who try to impose racism as policy, should suffer severe
<<<economic and political sanctions from the world.

<<<It would be racist to make special laws that only protect "Jews" from
<<<persecution, and such laws might be used to protect an country like
<<<Israel from having international laws enforced upon it for fear of
<<<being called anti-Semitic which might let countries who continually
<<<violate the rights of others hide behind these laws and that would be
<<<wrong.

<<Ignorance again. What racism? What laws?

<Israel's passed the racist bill recently, I don't think they've
<entered into law yet, but the bill itself is most certainly racist.

How about US law, Teds? Spouses of American citizens
are not automatically granted American citizenship, they
have to go through a process, same as anyone else.
That racist too, Teds?

How about PA law, which prohibits entry of Israelis
who are married to Palestinians into PA-controlled
territory? That, of course, is NOT racist, being
directed only against Jews - right, Teds?

Israel's "racist" law is only temporary for one year. The
PA law prohibiting entry to PA territory to all Israelis
married to Pallies is NOT temporary.

But that's NOT racist – right, Teds?

<I
<the US tried to pass a law preventing Jews from becoming citizens
<through marriage, Jews would be screaming anti-Semitism until your
<ears burn. Yet when the roles are reversed, it is amazing how
<acceptable racism can be now isn't it. After all, the US must
<protect itself from spies like Pollard, so it is justified for the
<protection of the United States right????

We aren't suffering major attacks from demented suicide
bombers.


<<I don't know what makes you so bitter, but before you reply, give
<<yourself one second to wonder on the reliability of your info sources.

<I'm not bitter, just disgusted with the Israeli apartheid regime.

Then you're disgusted over nothing, Teds, For an apartheid regime,
you have to go to one of your terrorist-supporting Arab countries.
Israel, whatever its problems, isn't one.

BTW, Teds, still working on your list of the terrorist acts you
claimed Ben-Gurion committed, Teds - like the King David Hotel
bombing, or poisoning the well at Acre?

Deborah

Giora Drachsler

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> >
> > Spreading ignorance. What Israeli racism are you talking? Come back
> > when better informed.
>
> Let's see..... Oh yes, I've got one. How about banning citizenship
> through marriage only when one of the couple is a "Palestinian" for
> instance?????


Oh, I see. For long, Palestinians married Israeli girls, mostly in
fictive unions, to take benefits of the Israeli social security, health
care and a better living standard. For years, Israel closed an eye
on this spectacle, until recent years when the terrorist groups used
this liberty to infiltrate their "fighters".

The present law comes to filter them out and if you would have took
the liberty to get better informed, you would have spoken differently.

As an other angle of reflection, tell me why are the Pali grooms so
ancious to marry an Israeli bride just to live in Israel, they hate it
so much? Who knows, maybe life in Israel is better than you think?

> If you don't see that as racist, then I'm your moral fiber has been
> damanged severly by the evil teachings of Zionism. If you denounce
> Zionism and rejoin the human race immediately, you might still be able
> to reverse the damage.

I don't see it as racist, however it might fit you perfectly.

> > I don't know what makes you so bitter, but before you reply, give
> > yourself one second to wonder on the reliability of your info sources.
>
> I'm not bitter, just disgusted with the Israeli apartheid regime.

What apartheid? What you lack in intelligence, you more than make
up for in stupidity.

Giora Drachsler

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> In the agregate it doesn't really matter, does it Alonka?? The
> Zionazis don't even have the money to fund their immigration police to
> expell Thais, Filipinos and Ghanaians. So where will they get the
> money to expell some 100,000 "illegal" Palestinians?? Besides, it IS
> the Palestinians' country, you know. Some chutzpa. You whining Zionist
> narcissists invade the country, kick out a large number of the native
> inhabitants, and then proceed to deny them the right to live there.
> But a few dollars will go a long way in bribery to look the other way,
> as it always does with the Zionist bureaucracy as the State collapses
> and people, even Jews, need to put food on the table.
> And talk about PR. It's a no-win game for the Zionists. Bye, bye,
> Zionist Reich!


Your verbosity is exceeded only by your stupidity. Still dreaming of
Israel's collapse? Well, bad news for you, it didn't happened yet and
it isn't looking much it will.

Although still precarious, life turns here to normal, just you continue
grinding
the same tune all over and eat your heart, behema.

Michael W Cook

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Aug 6, 2003, 2:42:45 PM8/6/03
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in article bgihk8$tp1$4...@news.iucc.ac.il, Giora Drachsler at
gi...@cc.huji.ac.il wrote on 3/8/03 7:45 am:

Perhaps you are the one who is misinformed, but you keep on repeating the
same old line, tell it enough people might start to believe it.

Giora, you are a reasonable man, but totally blind and misguided.
--

Michael

Michael W Cook

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