Daniel Pipes: EUROPE vs. AMERICA
TonyaK911
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
January 14, 2003
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/999
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/66487.htm
Things looked so clear in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, when the
forces of civilization stood on one side and the barbarians on the
other.
The very evening after the attack, President Bush announced that
"America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace
and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war
against terrorism." The next day - for the first time in their 52-year
history - members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)
invoked the organization's mutual-assistance clause and declared the
assault on the United States to be "an attack against them all."
That was then. Sixteen months later, the Bush administration finds
itself at odds with many of those "friends and allies," and even with
a substantial number of Americans. On the first anniversary of 9/11,
when Secretary of State Colin Powell told a United Nations audience
that "we're all in this together," his words had come to sound pretty
hollow.
To some extent, this lack of unity results from the inevitable
relaxing of the guard when more than a year goes by without either
major successes against terrorism or mega-incidents of terrorism
(though several were near-misses, especially in New Delhi and Tel
Aviv; and attacks in Bali and Moscow each led to more than a hundred
deaths).
But the dissent also stems from more profound differences in outlook.
Polls unanimously point to a substantial leap in anti-Americanism. A
massive Pew Global Attitudes opinion survey released last month, for
instance, found increasingly negative views of the United States in
over two-thirds of the 27 countries it surveyed. It's become tediously
commonplace to hear how Americans "deserved what they got" on 9/11.
In Europe, the signs of antipathy are sometimes startling: A book
claiming that Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Center as part
of a U.S. government conspiracy shot to the top of the bestseller
lists in France. In Florence, Italy, writes Benny Irdi Nirenstein in
National Review, "300,000 Europeans - many waving Palestinian flags
and sporting T-shirt images of Che Guevara, Stalin and Mao Zedong -
marched to denounce the possibility that the United States will
liberate the Iraqi people."
Palestinian flags and images of Stalin? What gives?
One explanation for this hostility comes in an insightful article last
week by the American analyst Ken Sanes in Hong Kong's "Asia Times
Online."
Sanes argues that there are not two but three "super-systems" with
global aspirations, systems that shape much of the planet's politics.
One, of course, is militant Islam, with its dour message of extremism,
intolerance, resentment, cruelty, aggression and totalitarian control.
Then there is the American model of (what I term) individualistic
liberalism - with its emphasis on the individualistic and even
hedonistic "pursuit of happiness," plus its emphasis on free markets
and limited government. These two outliers define the debate.
Then - and this is where Sanes' analysis gets interesting - there is
Europe's offering of bureaucratic leftism (again, my term), which sits
somewhere in between. Sanes notes how the European model shares some
features with the American (its depending on the free market to create
wealth) and some with the militant Islamic (its depending on strong
governments to achieve its goals).
The geographic divisions are of course imperfect, there being plenty
of statist liberals in the United States and at least some
individualistic liberal types in Europe. (And Islamists in both
places.)
Sanes' originality lies in taking the Euro-American differences and
presenting them not as two variants of one system, but as two distinct
systems - not two dialects of one language, but two discrete
languages.
If this interpretation is correct, recent Euro-American tensions over
such issues as irradiated food, the death penalty, the International
Criminal Court, Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict are signs of a
significant division, not just transient squabbles. The face-off
between the Bush administration and, say, Germany's Chancellor Gerhard
Schroeder is deeper and darker than usually perceived.
Sanes' perspective also has two huge implications worth pondering: The
1990s should be seen as but a temporary interlude between eras of
cosmic competition. And America's allies in the last round (against
the Soviet Union) are shaping up as opponents in the new one.
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> Europe vs. America
> by Daniel Pipes
> New York Post
> January 14, 2003
> http://www.danielpipes.org/article/999
> http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/66487.htm
Pipes is an appalling anti-goyimist and lobbyist for the Sharonists.
He attempts to creat dissension.
Jerry Springer Bin Laden show i.e the God chosen jew
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God bless the Jews for helping Osama bin Laden!
The Bible states that any nation that supports Israel will be blessed.
Well,Jews are blessing America the Christians nation too.
Quotes from Reverend Billy Graham spiritual leader to George W. Bush
and former President Nixon tapes:
The released tapes have been edited and pruned. But Haldeman kept a
diary of the conversation. After Reverend Billy Graham left, Nixon
told his henchman: "You know it was good we got this point about the
Jews across . . .
the Jews are an irreligious, atheistic, ""immoral bunch of bastards.""
As Haldeman records, Graham had earlier observed that ""the Bible says
there are satanic Jews"" and there's where our problem arises". That
problem was "the total Jewish domination of the media . . . this was
something that would have to be dealt with."-Dawn/The Guardian News
Service.
Graham begins by advising Nixon on campaign strategy. The evangelist
has been invited to lunch at Time magazine. "You better take your
Jewish beanie" (yarmulke), Haldeman jokes. Nixon is in darker mood. He
broaches something that "we can't talk about publicly" - Jewish
influence in the media. All the big news organs are "totally dominated
by the Jews". Graham agrees, adding, piously, that it is the Jews "who
are putting out the """""pornographic stuff""""""".
This stranglehold has got to be broken or this country's going down
the """drain,"""'' Billy Graham said,
God bless the Jews for helping Osama bin Laden to destroy America!
God chosen Jews in porn !!!!
Jews dominate the production and distribution of porn. Leading
pornographers with Jewish names include Wesley Emerson, Paul Fishbein,
Herbert Feinberg a.k.a. Mickey Fine, Lenny Friedlander, Bobby
Hollander, Rubin Gottesman, Fred Hirsch and his children Steve and
Marjorie, Paul "Norman" Apstein, Steve Orenstein, Theodore Rothstein,
Reuben and
David Sturman, Ron Sullivan, Sam and Mitch Weston (Spinelli).
Jews accounted for most of the leading male performers of the 1970's
and '80's. Hebrew studs include Buck Adams, Bobby Astyr, R. Bolla
(Richard Parnes), Jerry Butler (Paul Siderman), Seymour Butts (Adam
Glaser),David Christopher (Bernie Cohen), Steve Drake, Jesse Eastern,
Jamie
Gillis, Ron Jeremy (Hyatt), Michael Knight, Ashley Moore, David
Morris, George
Payne, Ed Powers (Mark Arnold), Harry Reems (Herbert Streicher), Dave
Ruby, Herschel Savage, Carter Stevens (Mal Whorb), Marc Stevens, Paul
Thomas (Phil Tobias), Marc Wallice, Randy West and Jack Wrangler.
Jewish female performers include Avalon, Jenny Baxter (Jenny Wexler),
Busty Belle (Tracy Praeger), Chelsea Blake, Tiffany Blake, Bunny Bleu,
Lee Carroll (Leslie Barns), Blair Castle/Brooke Fields (Allison
Shandibal), Courtney/Natasha/Eden (Natasha Zimmerman), Daphne (Daphne
Franks),Barbara Dare (Stacy Mitnick), April Diamond, Jeanna Fine,
Alexis Gold,
Tern Hall,Heather Hart, Nina Hartley, C. J. Laing (Wendy Miller),
Frankie Leigh (Cynthia Hope Geller), Gloria Leonard, Traci Lords (Nora
Louise
Kuzman), Amber Lynn, Tonisha Mills, Melissa Monet, Susan Nero,
Scarlett 0.(Catherine Goldberg), Tawny Pearl (Susan Pearlman), Nina
Preta, Tracey Prince, Janey Robbins (Robin Lieberman), Alexandra Silk,
Susan Sloan, Annie Sprinkle (Ellen Steinberg), Karen Summer (Dana
Alper), Zara Whites and Ona Zee(Ona Simms).
God bless the Jews!
JoyInStruggle
Europe vs. America
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
January 14, 2003
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/999
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/66487.htm
....
Sanes argues that there are not two but three "super-systems" with
global aspirations, systems that shape much of the planet's politics.
One, of course, is militant Islam, with its dour message of extremism,
intolerance, resentment, cruelty, aggression and totalitarian control.
Then there is the American model of (what I term) individualistic
liberalism - with its emphasis on the individualistic and even
hedonistic "pursuit of happiness," plus its emphasis on free markets
and limited government. These two outliers define the debate.
Then - and this is where Sanes' analysis gets interesting - there is
Europe's offering of bureaucratic leftism (again, my term), which sits
somewhere in between. Sanes notes how the European model shares some
features with the American (its depending on the free market to create
wealth) and some with the militant Islamic (its depending on strong
governments to achieve its goals).
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I propose an alternative model.
In World War II, America was on the side of
individual rights and Enlightenment values, and
Europe was on the side of fascism and tribalist
values.
Today, the two have changed sides: America
rebuilt Europe in its own image, so that
Europe now represents Enlightenment values
and individual rights, and America, having
been swallowed up by Zionism, is now firmly
on the side of fascism and tribalist values.
The relationship between Islam and the U.S.
is not so much war as it is slaughter: Islam
will become our punching bag, our race of
untermenschen, against which we the Zionist
States of America measure ourelves and
prove our inherent or genetic superiority.
See also:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2003/01/10/notes011003.DTL
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Happy Imbeciles At War
Massive U.S. military buildup,
billions of dollars, a useless enemy,
and no one seems to know why
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Friday, January 10, 2003
©2003 SF Gate
....
This is not a war. Iraq will not be a war. Do
we understand this? We do not seem to understand
this. This is heavily corporatized power brokers
killing each other for oil and capital. Oh yes
it is.
Let's be perfectly clear. You cannot have a war
when the so-called enemy has done nothing to
provoke you and is absolutely no threat to your
national safety and has no significant military
force and has negligible chance of even setting
off a firecracker near your own overwhelming
death machines, and whose only weapons of
minimal destruction are the rusty short-range
warheads and biochemical agents we sold him 20
years ago, and kept selling to him, even after
we knew he was gassing his own people.
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> Europe vs. America
> by Daniel Pipes
> New York Post
> January 14, 2003
> http://www.danielpipes.org/article/999
> http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/66487.htm
Because the US government(not the people) support ISRAEL, we are at odds with
Europe.This regretful. We should be fair to ALL MidEast countries and not
supply money to ANY of them for arms to oppress people. Pipes is anti white and
is always blowing his horn and creating problems.He spends his life doing that.
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Europe vs. America
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
January 14, 2003
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TonyaK911
Readers have asked me for a bibliography that might help them better
understand the current crisis. Here are some English-language
suggestions - starting with the background books and proceeding to the
contemporary ones:
Michael Cook, The Koran: A Very Short Introduction
Very short, very interesting, very reliable, and very instructive.
Bernard Lewis, The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000
Years
A survey of Middle Eastern history by the person who knows more about
the region - and can explain it better - than anyone else.
Marshall G. S. Hodgson, The Venture of Islam: Conscience and History
in a World Civilization (3 vols.)
A deep history of Islam and of its role in the public sphere.
Efraim Karsh and Inari Karsh, Empires of the Sand: The Struggle for
Mastery in the Middle East, 1789-1923
A brilliant reassessment of the nineteenth-century Middle East,
showing how, contrary to the usual assumptions, the people of that
region actively shaped their own destiny.
Wilfred Cantwell Smith, Islam in Modern History
An masterful interpretation of the travails Muslims have experienced
over the past two centuries.
Khalid Durán with Abdelwahab Hechiche, Children of Abraham: An
Introduction to Islam for Jews
Despite its name, a survey of Islam appropriate for readers of all
faiths, by a committed and moderate Muslim.
V. S. Naipaul, Among the Believers
A journey to four Muslim countries and some lively discussions about
the nature and future of Islam.
Emmanuel Sivan, Radical Islam
One of the first and still one of the best analyses of this subject.
Johannes J. G. Jansen, The Dual Nature of Islamic Fundamentalism
A densely reasoned, brave attempt to explain militant Islam.
Bassam Tibi, The Challenge of Fundamentalism: Political Islam and the
New World Disorder
An even more densely written interpretation of militant Islam, but
worth the effort.
David Pryce-Jones, The Closed Circle
Perhaps the single most informative book on the cruel nature of
contemporary Middle East politics.
Bat Ye'or, Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide
Ambitious and consequential analysis of Muslim relations with
non-Muslims.
Ann Elizabeth Mayer, Islam and Human Rights: Traditions and Politics
An understated and powerful repudiation of the notion of "Islamic
human rights."