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Roger Alexander

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VATICAN PAPER DENOUNCES ISRAELI VIOLENCE

VATICAN, Mar 11, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Marking March 9 as
"the bloodiest day in the 17 months of the intifada in
the Holy Land," L'Osservatore Romano has denounced
Israeli government policies toward the Palestinian
people.

The Israeli policy, the Vatican newspaper argued, "if
at first it seemed designed to humiliate a people, now
appears designed to destroy them." L'Osservatore Romano
added that "the desire for dialogue expressed by
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is in sharp
contrast to the actions of his own government."

On Saturday, March 9, the Vatican paper observed, 44
Palestinian people were killed. The report added:
"Students, doctors, children were victims of a violence
that did not spare civilians."

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Wayne Halloran

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What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the Hebrews
for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?

Interesting...


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David Goldman

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In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews. This is the
same old tired worn out Zionist paranoia routine that the world is
getting sick of. So tell us what you EXPECT from a regime that has
ethnically cleansed, uprooted and persecuted the native Palestinians
for years. Please, tell us what you EXPECT. That they wipe them out
like the US did to the Indians in the 19th century, or the Spanish did
in Latin America in the 15th and 16th centuries? Great government
values for the 21st century.

Wayne Halloran

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What I would expect has little to do with what happens....<s>
But I would expect people to get the facts straight before they speak.

History (REAL HISTORY) disagree's with your words.

As for Zionism, there are indeed different factions, and some of them are
rather to far out there. But it wasnt so in the beginning. But they are no
different than any other group, there are extremes in all of them.

And yes, the world indeed does get 'worn out' on this as in the end they all
come against Israel and the chosen people of Yahweh. This will include all
who truly follow Yeshua the Messiah.

BUT! Everythings gonna work out perfect! As He intervenes and does a mighty
work for His names sake!
Praise Yahweh!


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: In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists

: >:
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: >
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Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
> do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.

Not really, its just an argument that you shouldn't necessarily view the
Church as totally impartial in this.

> This is the
> same old tired worn out Zionist paranoia routine that the world is
> getting sick of. So tell us what you EXPECT from a regime that has
> ethnically cleansed, uprooted and persecuted the native Palestinians
> for years. Please, tell us what you EXPECT. That they wipe them out
> like the US did to the Indians in the 19th century, or the Spanish did
> in Latin America in the 15th and 16th centuries?

No, if they were really doing that there wouldn't be any Palestinians left.

Jeff

David Makowsky

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In article <3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com>,
David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote:

# In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
# do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews. This is the
# same old tired worn out Zionist paranoia routine that the world is
# getting sick of. So tell us what you EXPECT from a regime that has
# ethnically cleansed, uprooted and persecuted the native Palestinians
# for years. Please, tell us what you EXPECT. That they wipe them out
# like the US did to the Indians in the 19th century, or the Spanish did
# in Latin America in the 15th and 16th centuries? Great government
# values for the 21st century.

This claim by David Goldman that Israel has wiped out the
"palestinians?" "like the US did to the Indians in the 19th century"
when the "palestinian?" population always has and continues to
increase, leads to one of the following two conclusions:

1) Israelis are the most incompetent "wiper outers" in the history of
the world.

Or

2) David Goldman is a liar and/or an idiot.

Which is it people?

[ Rest deleted - dlm ]
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M2938att Gi390wer

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:

>In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists do
>because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.

If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.

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M1760att Gi191wer

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message
>news:3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com...

>> In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
>> do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.

>Not really, its just an argument that you shouldn't necessarily view the
>Church as totally impartial in this.

In reviewing the matter of partiality or not one has to compare the
relationship between the Vatican and the Jews and the Vatican and Islam. No
matter how you look at that one, its relations with Islam have been several
orders of magnitude worse than with Jews.

Given real history, one would reasonably suspect the Vatican is
holding back on favoring the Palestinians due to previous attempts to
destroy it utterly.

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M1208att Gi115wer

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:

>What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the Hebrews
>for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?

>Interesting...

Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start
something they can't finish.

Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!

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M2195att Gi279wer

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On 14 Mar 2002, David Makowsky wrote:

>In article <3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com>,
>David Goldman <da...@erols.com> wrote:

># In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists do
># because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews. This is the same old
># tired worn out Zionist paranoia routine that the world is getting sick
># of. So tell us what you EXPECT from a regime that has ethnically
># cleansed, uprooted and persecuted the native Palestinians for years.
># Please, tell us what you EXPECT. That they wipe them out like the US did
># to the Indians in the 19th century, or the Spanish did in Latin America
># in the 15th and 16th centuries? Great government values for the 21st
># century.

>This claim by David Goldman that Israel has wiped out the "palestinians?"
>"like the US did to the Indians in the 19th century" when the
>"palestinian?" population always has and continues to increase, leads to
>one of the following two conclusions:

>1) Israelis are the most incompetent "wiper outers" in the history of the
>world.

>Or

>2) David Goldman is a liar and/or an idiot.

>Which is it people?

3) Indians are now full citizens of the US and were never prevented from
returning from Mexico. Right of return anyone?

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except WWII.
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M4554att Gi680wer

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:

>What I would expect has little to do with what happens....<s> But I would
>expect people to get the facts straight before they speak.

>History (REAL HISTORY) disagree's with your words.

REAL history and REAL archaeology, now that you bring up at least
one of the two, has conclusively demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt the
entire Old Testament from Genesis onward is total fiction and fable and
contrary to known history and contradicted by science.

Other than that did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

>As for Zionism, there are indeed different factions, and some of them are
>rather to far out there. But it wasnt so in the beginning. But they are no
>different than any other group, there are extremes in all of them.

Zionism started as a atheist political movement founded upon the
same principle as Nazism, that Jews could never assimilate into Christian
Europe.

>And yes, the world indeed does get 'worn out' on this as in the end they
>all come against Israel and the chosen people of Yahweh. This will include
>all who truly follow Yeshua the Messiah.

>BUT! Everythings gonna work out perfect! As He intervenes and does a mighty
>work for His names sake! Praise Yahweh!

Yahweh Elohim (note the plural im) is also a myth as are Abraham,
Moses, David, Solomon (and temple) and "ancient" Israel and all the rest.

But you know that or would if you were educated.

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hatred of New Yorkers.
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Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M1760att Gi191wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message
> >news:3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com...
>
> >> In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
> >> do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>
> >Not really, its just an argument that you shouldn't necessarily view the
> >Church as totally impartial in this.
>
> In reviewing the matter of partiality or not one has to compare the
> relationship between the Vatican and the Jews and the Vatican and Islam.
No
> matter how you look at that one, its relations with Islam have been
several
> orders of magnitude worse than with Jews.

Based on WHAT prey tell? Utter nonsense...

>
> Given real history, one would reasonably suspect the Vatican is
> holding back on favoring the Palestinians due to previous attempts to
> destroy it utterly.

What? Who?

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:
>
> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists do
> >because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>
> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.

What a stupid thing to say...

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M1208att Gi115wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:
>
> >What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the
Hebrews
> >for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?
>
> >Interesting...
>
> Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start
> something they can't finish.
>
> Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!

Matt Giwer: anti-Semite and idiot for all his life and proud of it!

Jeff

M2337att Gi267wer

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>
>"M1760att Gi191wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>>
>> >"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com...
>>
>> >> In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
>> >> do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>>
>> >Not really, its just an argument that you shouldn't necessarily view the
>> >Church as totally impartial in this.
>>
>> In reviewing the matter of partiality or not one has to compare the
>> relationship between the Vatican and the Jews and the Vatican and Islam.
>No
>> matter how you look at that one, its relations with Islam have been
>several
>> orders of magnitude worse than with Jews.
>
>Based on WHAT prey tell? Utter nonsense...

You were obviously educated in a US public school as you never heard
of the Crusades.

>> Given real history, one would reasonably suspect the Vatican is holding
>> back on favoring the Palestinians due to previous attempts to destroy it
>> utterly.

>What? Who?

Neya Kulturney.

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M3690att Gi511wer

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>
>"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:
>>
>> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists do
>> >because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>>
>> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.
>
>What a stupid thing to say...

Some truths are stupid to state publically.

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Zionist are driving Palestinians into the sea.
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M1862att Gi193wer

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>"M1208att Gi115wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:

>> >What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the
>> >Hebrews for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?

>> >Interesting...

>> Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start something
>> they can't finish.

>> Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!

>Matt Giwer: anti-Semite and idiot for all his life and proud of it!

Read Acts. Persecution was started by Jews against Christians. They
should not have started the persecution.

As for losers, that is what they whine about 3500 hundred years of
not being liked and never ask why when the dislike is obviously universal.

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is brainwashing.
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I.R.

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Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M2337att Gi267wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >
> >"M1760att Gi191wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
> >>
> >> >"David Goldman" <da...@erols.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3c8f8d74...@news.rcn.com...
> >>
> >> >> In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the
Zionists
> >> >> do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
> >>
> >> >Not really, its just an argument that you shouldn't necessarily view
the
> >> >Church as totally impartial in this.
> >>
> >> In reviewing the matter of partiality or not one has to compare the
> >> relationship between the Vatican and the Jews and the Vatican and
Islam.
> >No
> >> matter how you look at that one, its relations with Islam have been
> >several
> >> orders of magnitude worse than with Jews.
> >
> >Based on WHAT prey tell? Utter nonsense...
>
> You were obviously educated in a US public school as you never heard
> of the Crusades.

Which were motivated more by greed and political ambitions rather than
religious motives. Meanwhile the Jews have been solidly persecuted for the
last 1000 years by the Church...

>
> >> Given real history, one would reasonably suspect the Vatican is holding
> >> back on favoring the Palestinians due to previous attempts to destroy
it
> >> utterly.
>
> >What? Who?
>
> Neya Kulturney.

Who?

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M1862att Gi193wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >"M1208att Gi115wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:
>
> >> >What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the
> >> >Hebrews for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?
>
> >> >Interesting...
>
> >> Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start something
> >> they can't finish.
>
> >> Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!
>
> >Matt Giwer: anti-Semite and idiot for all his life and proud of it!
>
> Read Acts. Persecution was started by Jews against Christians. They
> should not have started the persecution.
>
> As for losers, that is what they whine about 3500 hundred years of
> not being liked and never ask why when the dislike is obviously universal.

Look, the fact that you dislike them doesn't mean that everyone else does.
I for like them as much or little as any other religious group...

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M3690att Gi511wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >
> >"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:
> >>
> >> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the Zionists
do
> >> >because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
> >>
> >> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.
> >
> >What a stupid thing to say...
>
> Some truths are stupid to state publically.

But they're even dumber to say when they're just plain stupid...

Jeff

Alexander Kalinowski

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In alt.religion.christian M2195att Gi279wer <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote:

:>Or

:>Which is it people?

Alex:
4) The number of Indians is so high that it would alter the nature of the
United States of America forever plus the United States is surrounded and
outnumbered by Indian nations which it has led war with in the past.

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M3271att Gi400wer

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Motivation is immaterial to treatment.

>Meanwhile the Jews have been solidly persecuted for the last 1000 years by
>the Church...

If you read Acts, Jews started it by persecuting Christians. And as
Jews today still have a gripe with Pharaoh they should not be suprised with
a relatively recent gripe.

That crap out of the way, your warped version of history
demonstrates your public school education.

>> >> Given real history, one would reasonably suspect the Vatican is
>> >> holding back on favoring the Palestinians due to previous attempts to
>> >> destroy it utterly.

>> >What? Who?

>> Neya Kulturney.

>Who?

That proves it.

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M2212att Gi224wer

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>"M3690att Gi511wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02032...@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>> >"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:

>> >> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the
>> >> >Zionists do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.

>> >> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.

>> >What a stupid thing to say...

>> Some truths are stupid to state publically.

>But they're even dumber to say when they're just plain stupid...

Zionism was founded on the premise, later adopted by the Nazis, that
Jews could never assimilater in the Christian Europe. It started as and has
always been an atheist political movement.

My opinions are political.

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The purpose of war is to bring it home.
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M2664att Gi302wer

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>"M1862att Gi193wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>> >"M1208att Gi115wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:

>> >> >What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the
>> >> >Hebrews for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?

>> >> >Interesting...

>> >> Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start something
>> >> they can't finish.

>> >> Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!

>> >Matt Giwer: anti-Semite and idiot for all his life and proud of it!

>> Read Acts. Persecution was started by Jews against Christians. They
>> should not have started the persecution.

>> As for losers, that is what they whine about 3500 hundred years of not
>> being liked and never ask why when the dislike is obviously universal.

>Look, the fact that you dislike them doesn't mean that everyone else does.

They say everyone hates them. Read their own whining literature.
They even hate Iran today because of some myth about Haman, see Purim for
details. They hate Iraq for some mythical Bablyonian captivity.

>I for like them as much or little as any other religious group...

I have no group interests in the matter. Only political ones.

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Xain

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"M2212att Gi224wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >"M3690att Gi511wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02032...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >> >"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:
>
> >> >> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the
> >> >> >Zionists do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>
> >> >> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.
>
> >> >What a stupid thing to say...
>
> >> Some truths are stupid to state publically.
>
> >But they're even dumber to say when they're just plain stupid...
>
> Zionism was founded on the premise, later adopted by the Nazis, that
> Jews could never assimilater in the Christian Europe. It started as and
has
> always been an atheist political movement.

Its both a religious and a non-religious movement, supported by a variety of
people.

>
> My opinions are political.

No, your opinions are idiotic and hateful...

Jeff

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"M2664att Gi302wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >"M1862att Gi193wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02032...@localhost.localdomain...
>
> >> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>
> >> >"M1208att Gi115wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
> >> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Wayne Halloran wrote:
>
> >> >> >What do you expect from a 'church' that persecuted and murdered the
> >> >> >Hebrews for centuries and now backs the PA terrorism?
>
> >> >> >Interesting...
>
> >> >> Read Acts. Jews started the persecution. Teach them to start
something
> >> >> they can't finish.
>
> >> >> Jews! Losers for 2500 years and proud of it!
>
> >> >Matt Giwer: anti-Semite and idiot for all his life and proud of it!
>
> >> Read Acts. Persecution was started by Jews against Christians. They
> >> should not have started the persecution.
>
> >> As for losers, that is what they whine about 3500 hundred years of not
> >> being liked and never ask why when the dislike is obviously universal.
>
> >Look, the fact that you dislike them doesn't mean that everyone else
does.
>
> They say everyone hates them.

SOME Jews think this like people of every group out there. But not all Jews
are alike, just like with every other group.

> Read their own whining literature.
> They even hate Iran today because of some myth about Haman, see Purim for
> details.

No, they were good friends with Iran under the Shah. They hate Iran because
Iran hates them and funds the Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.
Again, you display either your ignorance or your simple disire to decieve
just as the nazis did...

> They hate Iraq for some mythical Bablyonian captivity.

LMAO, again, they hate Iraq because Iraq would like to see them destroyed
and Saddam Hussein personally mails large checks to the families of suicide
bombers. By this logic they should hate Italy for what Rome did. But they
don't. You're an idiot Giwer...

>
> >I for like them as much or little as any other religious group...
>
> I have no group interests in the matter. Only political ones.

Uh-huh...

Jeff

jeffrey krantz

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the same vatican who is trying to deal with homosexual pedophile clergy????
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Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"jeffrey krantz" <dr...@si.rr.com> wrote in message
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> the same vatican who is trying to deal with homosexual pedophile
clergy????

LOL, yes...

Jeff

M2932att Gi343wer

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All Jews are alike. Anyone who reads this newsgroup save for one Jew
knows that. You are no diffent save for Goldman. You are all murderous scum.

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M1425att Gi97wer

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, jeffrey krantz wrote:

>the same vatican who is trying to deal with homosexual pedophile clergy????

And the well known pedophilia among the majority of Jews in Israel
should be ignored?

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M2753att Gi291wer

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:

>
>"M2212att Gi224wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>>
>> >"M3690att Gi511wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02032...@localhost.localdomain...
>> >> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
>>
>> >> >"M2938att Gi390wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
>> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.33.02031...@localhost.localdomain...
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David Goldman wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the
>> >> >> >Zionists do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
>>
>> >> >> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral imperative.
>>
>> >> >What a stupid thing to say...
>>
>> >> Some truths are stupid to state publically.
>>
>> >But they're even dumber to say when they're just plain stupid...
>>
>> Zionism was founded on the premise, later adopted by the Nazis, that
>> Jews could never assimilater in the Christian Europe. It started as and
>has
>> always been an atheist political movement.
>
>Its both a religious and a non-religious movement, supported by a variety of
>people.
>
>>
>> My opinions are political.
>
>No, your opinions are idiotic and hateful...

Zionists are atheists. Get over it.

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Roger Alexander

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I don't know about pedophilia, but I do know that sexual morality
in Israel is next to absent.
RLA

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M1425att Gi97wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, jeffrey krantz wrote:
>
> >the same vatican who is trying to deal with homosexual pedophile
clergy????
>
> And the well known pedophilia among the majority of Jews in Israel
> should be ignored?

WHOA THERE! You have a cite for this propaganda I trust?!

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M2753att Gi291wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Jeff ©(*§*)© wrote:
> <snip>

> >> >> >> >In other words no one in the world can criticize anything the
> >> >> >> >Zionists do because that would be tantamount to hatred of Jews.
> >>
> >> >> >> If Zionism were Judaism, antisemitism would be a moral
imperative.
> >>
> >> >> >What a stupid thing to say...
> >>
> >> >> Some truths are stupid to state publically.
> >>
> >> >But they're even dumber to say when they're just plain stupid...
> >>
> >> Zionism was founded on the premise, later adopted by the Nazis, that
> >> Jews could never assimilater in the Christian Europe. It started as and
> >has
> >> always been an atheist political movement.
> >
> >Its both a religious and a non-religious movement, supported by a variety
of
> >people.
> >
> >>
> >> My opinions are political.
> >
> >No, your opinions are idiotic and hateful...
>
> Zionists are atheists. Get over it.

I have nothing against atheism, indeed I AM an atheist. Buddhists are
generally atheist. Zionists can be atheists or theists but MOST are
theists. That's just a fact Giwer. Now, I realize that you think that Jews
are just the epitomy of evil which is why you're an anti-semite. But your
lies are just that: lies.

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"M2932att Gi343wer" <mat...@110giwersworld.org> wrote in message

And all Christians are alike? Perhaps all blacks are alike? No, it
prejudiced to say that ALL people of any one group are alike.

> Anyone who reads this newsgroup save for one Jew
> knows that.

Really? I think virtually no one here would agree with you.

> You are no diffent save for Goldman.

What Goldman?

> You are all murderous scum.

Well, for starters I'm not Jewish, I'm atheist. However, your anti-semitism
still sickens me. You are part of a disease that has plagued humanity for a
very long time. Far too long. You are the cancer. What do you think is
the cure?

Jeff

Jeff ©(*§*)©

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"Roger Alexander" <rla...@kih.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know about pedophilia, but I do know that sexual morality
> in Israel is next to absent.

That's true but I wouldn't call that a bad thing. :)

Jeff

I.R.

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