Google's Green Dream Goes Downhill

[Paul Ragna]

Not ready for prime time.
I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
I'd rather walk.

"Google’s Green Dream Goes Downhill — Google’s 100% Electric Bus Loses
Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"


<https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-
goes-downhill-100-electric/>

"Google’s ambitious dive into the world of electric transportation faced
an unexpected roadblock… or rather, a hill.

According to World Peace Exclusive, the tech’s lauded “100% Electric Bus”
took on San Francisco’s iconic hilly terrain, only to lose power midway
up, roll backward, and turn into a four-wheeled pinball, colliding with
reportedly a total of nine vehicles on its unintended descent.

The electric behemoth is part of Google’s fleet of approximately 140
luxury buses, primarily used to transport Google’s employees from various
parts of San Francisco, the East Bay and other Bay Area locations to the
firm’s Mountain View headquarters.

However, the recent accident involving the electric bus in San Francisco
indicates that Google’s ambitious eco-friendly initiatives may have a few
bumps — or rather, a few rolls — to iron out. The incident shone a light
on the potential issues of powering large vehicles up the city’s famously
steep hills."

"s the bus lost power, it began to roll backward, creating a path of mild
destruction by colliding with nine vehicles on its way down, according to
World Peace Exclusive.

Google has made no official comment on the incident, and no information
is currently available at this time."

"The San Francisco Municipal Transit Authority (SFMTA) passed a
resolution in 2018 to convert its bus fleet to 100% electric by 2035. The
resolution requires SFMTA to begin purchasing 100% battery-electric buses
(BEBs) starting by 2025. The first ten battery-electric buses have
entered revenue service.

The SFMTA’s Sustainability and Climate Action Program explains that the
agency’s greater goal is an all-electric fleet and a carbon-neutral San
Francisco by 2040."

[Lee]

Paul Ragna wrote:

> Not ready for prime time.
> I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
> I'd rather walk.
>
> "Google s Green Dream Goes Downhill Google s 100% Electric Bus
> Loses Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"
>

Meanwhile Repubican cities like
Ft Worth and Miami and Tulsa are
installing more electric buses.


https://arlingtonpublictransit.com/the-dash-fort-worths-surprisingly-nic
e-electric-bus/


https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/07/20190712-dash.html


https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2021-08-03/tulsa-transit
-rolls-out-4-new-electric-buses


https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/01/17/miami-dade-spending-over-1
75-million-on-fleet-of-new-electric-busses/

[Walter Duerson]

On 07 Nov 2023, Paul Ragna <tpragn...@gmail.com> posted some
news:XnsB0B56935534...@135.181.20.170:

> Not ready for prime time.
> I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
> I'd rather walk.
>
> "Google’s Green Dream Goes Downhill — Google’s 100% Electric Bus Loses
> Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"
>
>
><https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-
> goes-downhill-100-electric/>
>
> "Google’s ambitious dive into the world of electric transportation
> faced an unexpected roadblock… or rather, a hill.
>
> According to World Peace Exclusive, the tech’s lauded “100% Electric
> Bus” took on San Francisco’s iconic hilly terrain, only to lose power
> midway up, roll backward, and turn into a four-wheeled pinball,
> colliding with reportedly a total of nine vehicles on its unintended
> descent.

This is next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4

> The electric behemoth is part of Google’s fleet of approximately 140
> luxury buses, primarily used to transport Google’s employees from
> various parts of San Francisco, the East Bay and other Bay Area
> locations to the firm’s Mountain View headquarters.
>
> However, the recent accident involving the electric bus in San
> Francisco indicates that Google’s ambitious eco-friendly initiatives
> may have a few bumps — or rather, a few rolls — to iron out. The
> incident shone a light on the potential issues of powering large
> vehicles up the city’s famously steep hills."
>
> "s the bus lost power, it began to roll backward, creating a path of
> mild destruction by colliding with nine vehicles on its way down,
> according to World Peace Exclusive.
>
> Google has made no official comment on the incident, and no
> information is currently available at this time."

Google also does not want to admit that solar / batteries can't power a
data center 24 hours a day. Cloud technology requires immense data center
investments and there is no way to meet the electrical demand /
reliability without coal, oil, and backup diesel generators.

> "The San Francisco Municipal Transit Authority (SFMTA) passed a
> resolution in 2018 to convert its bus fleet to 100% electric by 2035.
> The resolution requires SFMTA to begin purchasing 100%
> battery-electric buses (BEBs) starting by 2025. The first ten
> battery-electric buses have entered revenue service.
>
> The SFMTA’s Sustainability and Climate Action Program explains that
> the agency’s greater goal is an all-electric fleet and a
> carbon-neutral San Francisco by 2040."

How about a Democrat neutral city by 2024?

[ELON X.]

Burning rightists for fuel is still a great idea.


They do it in England!

In Durham, England, corpses will soon be used to generate electricity. A
crematorium is installing turbines in its burners that will convert waste
heat from the combustion of each corpse into as much as 150 kilowatt-hours of
juice — enough to power 1,500 televisions for an hour.

[Alpha Male]

>
>How about a Democrat neutral city by 2024?

Dead rightists are the best rightists.

[pothead]

Can you imagine the inferno that will result if those super high and large capacity batteries
explode?
It will probably take the fire department a week to put out the blaze.

And SF are idiots.
They are destroying their own city from the inside out.
This is what Democrats and liberals do.
Destruction.


--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[56d.1152]

On 11/7/23 11:30 AM, Lee wrote:
> Paul Ragna wrote:
>
>> Not ready for prime time.
>> I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
>> I'd rather walk.
>>
>> "Google s Green Dream Goes Downhill Google s 100% Electric Bus
>> Loses Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"
>>
>
>
> Meanwhile Repubican cities like
> Ft Worth and Miami and Tulsa are
> installing more electric buses.

In certain urban/municipal environments, e-Buses really
CAN be viable.

But only to a point.

The very very important TRICK here is to be SENSIBLE,
not ideological. Work the numbers and do what's wise.

Or is that too reasonable ?

Oh, what do "guns" have to do with city buses ???

[pothead]

I agree.
Same for EV cars in more suburban areas where people have homes where they can park and charge vs
huge apartment buildings say in NYC, where it is not feasible.

This is why I feel that the consumer should have and make the choice as to what works for them
rather than some maniac party in power waging a war on one of the alternatives, ICE and fossil
fuels.
That is what communist countries do.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:25:50 -0000 (UTC), Walter Duerson <li...@msnbc.com> wrote:

>
>Google also does not want to admit that solar / batteries can't power a
>data center 24 hours a day. Cloud technology requires immense data center
>investments and there is no way to meet the electrical demand /
>reliability without coal, oil, and backup diesel generators.

Well, that's a lie.

Swill
--
"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

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Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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[Lee]

Who said anything about guns?

[Lee]

Soylent Green!

[Governor Swill]

Government has always used it's persuasions.

Tax cuts, zoning changes, tax cuts, building codes, tax cuts . . .

[Governor Swill]

Not if they burn it that badly . . .

[56d.1152]

A 'guns' group is in the headers ......

Planning to SHOOT at the e-buses ??? Come ON now !

They'll mostly fail perfectly well on their own.

[Scout]

"Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:N_qdnWCTR8tOWNb4...@giganews.com...

Look at the headers.

And personally, there is one factor which hasn't been considered. Bus
parking is often limited and buses are packed in very closely when parked
overnight. If you have an EV fire, which is not an insignificant
possibility, given the heat and intensity it will rapidly spread from bus to
bus to bus. With limited access and no way to really put out an EV fire, the
possibility of losing a significant portion of your bus fleet should be of
concern particularly given their much higher price tag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4

then of course let's consider what this would mean to a bus load of people.

[Lee]

Scout wrote:

>
>
> "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:N_qdnWCTR8tOWNb4...@giganews.com...
> > 56d.1152 wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/7/23 11:30 AM, Lee wrote:
> >>> Paul Ragna wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > Not ready for prime time.
> >>> > I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
> >>> > I'd rather walk.
> >>> >
> >>> > "Google s Green Dream Goes Downhill Google s 100% Electric Bus
> >>> > Loses Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> Meanwhile Repubican cities like
> >>> Ft Worth and Miami and Tulsa are
> >>> installing more electric buses.
> > >
> >> In certain urban/municipal environments, e-Buses really
> >> CAN be viable.
> > >
> >> But only to a point.
> > >
> >> The very very important TRICK here is to be SENSIBLE,
> >> not ideological. Work the numbers and do what's wise.
> > >
> >> Or is that too reasonable ?
> > >
> >> Oh, what do "guns" have to do with city buses ???
> >
> >
> > Who said anything about guns?
>
> Look at the headers.
>

Take that up with whoever created the thread.

> And personally, there is one factor which hasn't been considered. Bus
> parking is often limited and buses are packed in very closely when
> parked overnight. If you have an EV fire, which is not an
> insignificant possibility, given the heat and intensity it will
> rapidly spread from bus to bus to bus. With limited access and no way
> to really put out an EV fire, the possibility of losing a significant
> portion of your bus fleet should be of concern particularly given
> their much higher price tag.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4
>
> then of course let's consider what this would mean to a bus load of
> people.

And yet Republican cities keep
converting their bus fleets to EVs.
Do explain.

[Lee]

56d.1152 wrote:

> On 11/8/23 12:30 PM, Lee wrote:
> > 56d.1152 wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/7/23 11:30 AM, Lee wrote:
> > > > Paul Ragna wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Not ready for prime time.
> > > > > I wouldn't ride one of these death traps.
> > > > > I'd rather walk.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Google s Green Dream Goes Downhill Google s 100% Electric
> > > > > Bus Loses Power, Causes Mayhem on San Francisco Slope (VIDEO)"
> > > > >
> > > >
> >>> Meanwhile Repubican cities like
> > > > Ft Worth and Miami and Tulsa are
> > > > installing more electric buses.
> > >
> >> In certain urban/municipal environments, e-Buses really
> >> CAN be viable.
> > >
> >> But only to a point.
> > >
> >> The very very important TRICK here is to be SENSIBLE,
> >> not ideological. Work the numbers and do what's wise.
> > >
> >> Or is that too reasonable ?
> > >
> >> Oh, what do "guns" have to do with city buses ???
> >
> >
> > Who said anything about guns?
>
>
> A 'guns' group is in the headers ......

Blame the right winger who created this thread.

[Scout]

"Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:jCidnUPfNPFln9D4...@giganews.com...

Simple, It's all about the money. Once the government subsidies, tax breaks
and so one dry up.. so will the interest in these buses.

Interesting thing I ran across from a think tank out of Texas, apparently
they ran the numbers and without all the considerations, subsides, and such
an EV would cost about $48K more and would cost over $11 per equivalent
gallon of gasoline. charging.

I hear you screaming now about the 2nd part of that.. but consider, having
an ev would basically DOUBLE the electrical demand of every home with an EV,
triple if you are a 2 car family with both adults driving regularly. Because
that's how much electricity is needed to drive the average distance driven
each day by Americans.

Now.. that means massive amounts of money are going to have to be spent on
electrical generation, plants to do so, and massive upgrades to the
electrical grid throughout the entire country.

A massive surge in electrical demand while at the same time we are
attempting to shut down significant portions of our power generation and as
they are shut down.. charging at night when the wind isn't blowing will
become VERY expensive. The best time would be on a windy sunny day. Oh, but
you will be at work and not really set up to charge your car there... unless
we're going to spend even MORE money to add yet MORE infrastructure over an
even larger area where it's much harder to add electric lines because that's
pretty much going to require you to dug up streets on a massive scale.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 11:01:21 -0600, "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>Interesting thing I ran across from a think tank out of Texas, apparently
>they ran the numbers and without all the considerations, subsides, and such
>an EV would cost about $48K more and would cost over $11 per equivalent
>gallon of gasoline. charging.

Sounds like bullshit to me. Unless you can cite fifty thousand dollars in tax breaks and
$500 per kilowatt electricity.

"You are expected to produce support for any claims or assertions made."
- Scout in Message-ID: <u9bece$2o0d1$1...@dont-email.me> 07/20/2023

Swill
--
"There are over 500,000 elected positions in the United States.

70% of them are uncontested."

Not left, not right. https://www.forwardparty.com/

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 17:06:28 -0500, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 11:01:21 -0600, "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Interesting thing I ran across from a think tank out of Texas, apparently
>>they ran the numbers and without all the considerations, subsides, and such
>>an EV would cost about $48K more and would cost over $11 per equivalent
>>gallon of gasoline. charging.
>
>Sounds like bullshit to me. Unless you can cite fifty thousand dollars in tax breaks and
>$500 per kilowatt electricity.

Which you apparently can't.

>"You are expected to produce support for any claims or assertions made."
> - Scout in Message-ID: <u9bece$2o0d1$1...@dont-email.me> 07/20/2023

How about we end all tax breaks and subsidies for oil instead?

[Lee]

It's also about having to having
to fuel 50 buses every night vs just
pluging them in at a fraction of the
cost.

> Interesting thing I ran across from a think tank out of Texas,
> apparently they ran the numbers and without all the considerations,
> subsides, and such an EV would cost about $48K more and would cost
> over $11 per equivalent gallon of gasoline. charging.
>
> I hear you screaming now about the 2nd part of that.. but consider,
> having an ev would basically DOUBLE the electrical demand of every
> home with an EV, triple if you are a 2 car family with both adults
> driving regularly. Because that's how much electricity is needed to
> drive the average distance driven each day by Americans.

Every state government is pushing
EV's and charging stations, THEY think
there is enough electricty to go around.

Even states in the back pocket of
Big Oil like Texas and Florida are
expanding their EV networks. They don't
don't think electrical demand is a
problem.


https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/texas-expands-electric-v
ehicle-chargers-18303675.php

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/03/texas-electric-vehicle-charging-
bills/

https://www.flgov.com/2020/07/10/governor-ron-desantis-announces-next-st
eps-to-strengthen-floridas-electric-vehicle-infrastructure/

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news
-headlines/fla-bill-would-allow-more-competition-for-ev-charging-infrast
ructure-ownership-68948051

[NoBody]

Actually the real cost of electric vehicles is hidden since there is a
cost of an already overburdened infrastructure.

>
>> Interesting thing I ran across from a think tank out of Texas,
>> apparently they ran the numbers and without all the considerations,
>> subsides, and such an EV would cost about $48K more and would cost
>> over $11 per equivalent gallon of gasoline. charging.
>>
>> I hear you screaming now about the 2nd part of that.. but consider,
>> having an ev would basically DOUBLE the electrical demand of every
>> home with an EV, triple if you are a 2 car family with both adults
>> driving regularly. Because that's how much electricity is needed to
>> drive the average distance driven each day by Americans.
>
>
> Every state government is pushing
>EV's and charging stations, THEY think
>there is enough electricty to go around.

Of course they're idiots so there's that...

[56d.1152]

VOTE for "right-wingers" !

The alternative paradigm is DOOM. That should
be clear enough, for SANE people, at this point.

[Hastings]

On 11 Nov 2023, "56d.1152" <56d....@ztq9.net> posted some
news:ax2dnYYyOqh0xM34...@earthlink.com:

Democrats have destroyed every city and the associated tax base where they
were elected. Woke dogma doesn't pay the bills.

[pothead]

Indeed.
And the left wing wokies keep voting these far left city destroyers into office.

[Governor Swill]

It turns out they're better than Republicans at governing.

[Scout]

"Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:xfednWwPpvcg_dP4...@giganews.com...

Actually, if you consider the costs without government subsides, grants, tax
breaks and how much is going to need to be invested in electrical infrasture
to charge EVs you would be amazed at how much is will cost. A Texas think
tank recently reported that considering these expenses the average actual
charging costs is over $11 per equivalent gallon of gasoline. Then there is
the fact that even with the grants and so on and EV Bus will typically cost
half again as much as a conventional bus. Then there is the power demand,
while charging each bus represents a massive load on the grid and during
periods of energy shortage you would have to decide whether you want to
strand people without transportation or shut of power to hundreds if not
thousands of homes. Which is then going to create issues for those
attempting to charge their EVs at home. Either way, you are adding massive
amounts of demand to the electrical grid that can't neither handle nor
provide for such demand without extensive and extremely expensive upgrades..
INCLUDING the construction of new fossil and/or nuclear power plants.
Neither of which are in favor with the environmentalists.

So, as this occurs you can expect more power outages and longer power
outages, and increasing cost for electricity as well.

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:25:04 -0600, "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>Actually, if you consider the costs without government subsides, grants, tax
>breaks and how much is going to need to be invested in electrical infrasture
>to charge EVs you would be amazed at how much is will cost. A Texas think
>tank recently reported that considering these expenses the average actual
>charging costs is over $11 per equivalent gallon of gasoline.

A Texas think tank's overarching consideration is to support the consumption of oil.

[Michael Ejercito]

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:25:04 -0600, "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> wrote:
> >Actually, if you consider the costs without government subsides, grants, tax
> >breaks and how much is going to need to be invested in electrical infrasture
> >to charge EVs you would be amazed at how much is will cost. A Texas think
> >tank recently reported that considering these expenses the average actual
> >charging costs is over $11 per equivalent gallon of gasoline.
> A Texas think tank's overarching consideration is to support the consumption of oil.

Yeah, because oil is completely, totally useless, even more useless than curium!


Michael

[President black whore]

On 07 Nov 2023, Alpha Male <el...@protonmail.com> posted some
news:uie151$14r6i$3...@dont-email.me:

> Biden will die in office and escape any accountability. The black
> whore will be president so we can all laugh at Democrats.

Former President Trump railed against reports President Biden won’t be
charged in the special counsel probe into his handling of classified
documents, taking to social media Friday morning to complain of what he
considers “prosecutorial misconduct.”

Special counsel Robert Hur is expected to put together a critical report
of Biden’s conduct but its not likely to result in criminal charges, the
Wall Street Journal first reported Thursday.

Trump, who faces criminal charges in Florida in a classified documents
case, fumed on Truth Social against what he called “selective
prosecution.”

“Wow! Fake news CNN, through a leak from the Department of Injustice,
has just reported that no charges will be filed in the (much bigger than
mine!!!) Crooked Joe Biden documents case,” Trump said in one post. “We
are living in a very corrupt country!”

CNN cited “two sources close to investigation” in its report on Hur’s
plans.

Hur was appointed in January to investigate Biden’s case after documents
from his time as vice president were found at his former office in
Washington, D.C., and his home in Wilmington, Del.

Hur’s team has told officials in the Justice Department that it hopes to
have the report completed by the end of the year, but that timeline
could change, CNN reported.

Biden was interviewed by Hur in early October after documents were found
by officials clearing out his old office last November. Biden has
maintained he did nothing wrong and his team has repeatedly noted that
his lawyers quickly notified the Justice Department and cooperated with
it after discovering the documents.

And Biden’s supporters argue his proactive response paints a crucial
contrast with Trump’s conduct, which has drawn criminal charges from
special counsel Jack Smith.

Trump and co-conspirators are accused of misleading investigators and
withholding documents from various government agencies.

The National Archives reportedly alerted the Justice Department that
Trump possessed more than 300 classified documents after leaving office,
which eventually led to the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago property last
August.

Trump’s trial in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case is set to go
to trial in May 2024, though Judge Aileen Cannon appears to be
considering postponing the trial until after the presidential elections.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4314749-trump-rails-biden-no
-charges-classified-documents/

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 07:25:44 +0100 (CET), President black whore
<president....@splcenter.com> wrote:

>On 07 Nov 2023, Alpha Male <el...@protonmail.com> posted some
>news:uie151$14r6i$3...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Biden will die in office and escape any accountability. The black
>> whore will be president so we can all laugh at Democrats.
>
>Former President Trump railed against reports President Biden won’t be
>charged in the special counsel probe into his handling of classified
>documents, taking to social media Friday morning to complain of what he
>considers “prosecutorial misconduct.”

Poor baby. That's what you get for lying to the authorities.

[Burn a tattoo parlor]

On 07 Nov 2023, "ELON X." <el...@protonmail.com> posted some
news:uie12e$14r6i$2...@dont-email.me:

> He's a tatted-up shitbag. Kill him and the next ten people you see
> with tattoos. Anybody with a tattoo is just acting like a nigger.

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (KY3) - Police arrested a man wanted in a deadly
shooting in downtown Springfield.

Elysha Bedell, 19, of Springfield, faces a first-degree murder charge in
the death of Chaviz Nguyen, 26, on November 14. Police also arrested two
other juveniles in the case. A judge issued no bond for Bedell.

The incident happened around 8:20 p.m. near College St. and Grant Ave.,
near the former Hollywood Theater. Police say the shots fired came from
a vehicle with Bedell. Nguyen died at the scene. A woman suffered
critical injuries from her gunshot wounds.

Investigators say the surviving victim in the crash told police she
noticed someone following them as she and Nguyen were going downtown to
a restaurant. Surveillance cameras across the paths of the vehicles
captured the sedan’s license plate.

Investigators say a juvenile in Bedell’s vehicle said the shooting was
related to an ongoing disturbance between Bedell and a friend of Nguyen.
Investigators say she told them that the dispute was over a past
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Detectives ask anyone with additional information about this incident to
contact the Springfield Police Department at 417-864-1810 or make an
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To report a correction or typo, please email digit...@ky3.com

https://www.ky3.com/2023/11/16/police-arrest-man-wanted-deadly-downtown-s
pringfield-shooting/