A photo appeared on the internet with a March 13 LA Times, a
a semi-automatic pistol, and a caption beneath the picture reading
"Come in my house and you'll have a warm welcome"
Mr Carasov was later arrested for Republic of Kalifornia 422PC.
Bail was set at $50,000 Mr Carasov did not picket on March 15.
Several hundred people did, including one Gareth Cales and
here are his notes:
Didn't we throw out the British Tyrannists back in 1776? Or did they
just go west?
422 PC appears to be a law that was written to harass a single person
that was annoying a politician.
422 pc will not stand up to a constitutional test. Without having the
seen the actual photo, I can only assume then that it was intended as
a warning, not a threat. Then just how do you prosecute events which
have not yet happened? As the wording of 422 PC apparently is based
upon events that have not yet, may have, or might possibly occur in
Since when does one post bail for such a minor infraction of the law?
Oh yeah. Since it's in california.
You did not hear ALL of the story.
This is OLD news that happened last year. The person in question posted a
video on youtube making threats.
I've copied/pasted the code below....it seem that there are four or five
criteria contained therein that have to be satisfied in order to be charged
under this penal code. If that's true, then there is no case against him.
Using that picture & turn of phrase, he was stating in general that he would
protect his home/possessions/family with deadly force....which I believe is
legal, even in Kalifornia. LOL Basically, the conditions permitting deadly
force in self-defense are met whenever:
1. An intruder unlawfully and forcibly enters your residence, or has
unlawfuly and forcibly entered your residence.
2. The intruder is someone who is not a member of the family or the
3. Youknow or have reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry
a.. California Penal Code
a.. PENAL CODE SECTION 422-422.1
422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
"Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to,
telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
the United States Code.
I could have no idea what I am talking about, but if there's a problem
its probably the "Cmon' a my house CO$." Because the other says come
in my house, and in the USA there should be no problem with that.
Correct me if I am wrong, he did this 'after' someone killed his cat.
Lame charges are lame.
>13 March 2008 was the newspaper in the photo
>15 March 2008 was the picket
>Mr Carasov's arraignment will be 09 April 2008 0830AM
>at Los Angeles courthouse on Temple street.
>Found a copy of the photo, but it is a screen capture
>of someplace else the photo had been posted and might
>have been altered
>http://tinyurl.com/2xgyaz for linewrap impaired
>however, be warned, the site hosting the photo is
>notorious for replacing photos with porn (some sort
>of sick joke?) when photos are linked out.
Thanks for the photo. Does not appear to meet the requirements of 422
PC at all. As I said, this is a warning, not a threat. It also appears
that the two weapons shown are in dire need of maintenance and
probably wouldn't fire at all.
That falls into the same frame as posting a sign, "protected by
trained attack dogs". The thing is, the CO$ is the one who has been
"threatened". Even though they themselves have never been charged with
any crimes of violence even though every cop around knows they have
I would fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. Violation of 1st
The charges are based upon this photo that was posted. As the "perp"
was arraigned THIS year, shortly after the demonstration, then there
may be other factors not known involved. You don't get arraigned a
year after the event took place.
A $50,000 bail for a comment on photo? Bullshit.
I saw the news story on TV and they showed the video..It could have been
this year, but it has been a while.
It was not for a photo, but making video threats.
won't know for sure until Discovery
Arraignment is in about 2 weeks
The video threats that CoS had a higher resolution
in their C&D orders than was available on YouTube?
(CoS must have made it themselves)
google Paulette Cooper
Unlikely that Mr Carasov had anything to with those.
The timing is off. He was arrested 2 days after CoS
killed his cat and he posted a picture of his guns.
@ John Dorsay: Los Angeles county is uncomfortably
close to Riverside county. Carasov probably intended
to have *words* on his picket sign (had he attended)
I hope he limits himself to clearly marked imitation or replica
words. Henson's sign had real words made from real letters, and he
did not have a carry permit for them. He got 6 months in jail and 3
years probation for that.
www.operatingthetan.com has all the details.
And the news are never wrong? Remember "Church of Anonymous" anybody?
Yo, mate, that's an unsubstantiated accusation. Much as we'd all love to
believe that Scientology is a vicious, pet-killing organization, there's
that little awkwardness known as 'unsubstatiated."
Not saying it didn't happen.
Can't prove it did.
They're good at that.
> A photo appeared on the internet with a March 13 LA Times, a
> a semi-automatic pistol, and a caption beneath the picture reading
> "Come in my house and you'll have a warm welcome"
> Mr Carasov was later arrested for Republic of Kalifornia 422PC.
> Bail was set at $50,000 Mr Carasov did not picket on March 15.
> Several hundred people did, including one Gareth Cales and
> here are his notes:
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
I can haz Legion?
“I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
Professor Emeritus, UCSC
Obviously this has nothing to do with guns and threats. It's all about
a political hassle between the CoS and one of their critics. My guess
is that the church has more members working in the Kalifornia
"justice" system than he does. But hey, what can you expect? A place
that teaches kids about the "crimes" of pointing a finger and saying
"bang" which results in handcuffs and a trip to jail for some grade
school kid (to make a "zero tolerance" point, natch) will have little
reluctance to totally abuse the criminal systems for other political
IF ONLY that place would hurry up and slide into the Pacific!
Hai all...it's the Notorious M.r. C.a.r.a.s.o.v. in the hizouse!
I feelin' kinda gankstah rapper atm after the po-po done took my fresh
rhymes out of context and put a /b/rother on lockdown.
Really tho...um...I should probably click all the links etc but I just
popped in to say, in re. the YouTube videos: "What are you talking
about Mr. Willis?" The two YouTubes I have up are of my dear departed
Big Fat Kitty (not the one dispatched by OSA goons) devouring a giant
grasshopper and one of CNN's hilarious show devoted to the
<s>conspiracy theory</s> troll that "Jews Did 9/11".
Asides from that, the pic is a screencap of something I whipped up in
my photobucket to stick in my door windows in the manner of a "Beware
of the dog" sign. Or: http://www.tagsandflags.com/8x10Gun.JPG
It was then uploaded to ED as a screencap rather than the actual pic
(for some reason) even tho it wasn't altered. If you want pretty much
the whole story, the ED article pretty much covers everything with
minimum of lulz padding:
And the whole shebangabang and aftermath is addressed here:
If anyone wants to ask me about mah Fair Game...feel free to email or
post. I'm mainly on Enturbulation but will check back in here now and
then seeing as I CAN HAS IT BE THREAD TIEM NAOW?
In closing...Graham Berry is repping me and I'm being arraigned on
April 9. We won't find out the actual details of the complaint until
...wish me luck.
<3 to my ARS /b/rethren.
Sean "Rorschach" Carasov
the cos files the lamest of charges all the time, it knows most cannot
be won, the intent is to run up legal expenses and stress on the
person targeted,...ruin them with their employers etc. ... thats why
you have to be careful to word what you say carefully.
for instance we say the cult will *implode.. so there is no way our
intent can be twisted.etc.,,then go on to cover the bases more
completely by asserting our stance against violence, and pointing out
as I am here that the cult has been exceedingly violent, been
convicted of felonies and fraud world wide, and that its behavior is
self destructive causing it to implode......taken togheter as it must
be in a single sentence ones arse is covered..and if read in court
demonstrates the issues. it cant be taken out of context.. and puts
the other issues into the court record, the cults dirty hands and long
standing history of attacking critics, and doing frame ups etc.
its a long sentence using elipses (...) instead of periods for that
we dont do or say or allow ourselves to be taunted into agreeing with
anything that can be spun as a chargeable offense no matter how
ludicrous the attempt..... this cult has a long record of paying off
officals, police and judges... so the fact that what you said or
whatever is legal, is not the issue.... the issue is can what you said
be spun to indict you. thats the issue.
i also like to frame my remarks so that other issues are on the table,
cut financial crimes for example, that way they know if they sue, that
i can depose anyone I want on *those issues...no way in hell does scn
want its members deposed on such topics.
> In article <94ngu3tdrr2t1qr53...@4ax.com>,
> richard <i.do...@ca.re> wrote:
> > Didn't we throw out the British Tyrannists back in 1776? Or did they
> > just go west?
> > 422 PC appears to be a law that was written to harass a single person
> > that was annoying a politician.
> > 422 pc will not stand up to a constitutional test. Without having the
> > seen the actual photo, I can only assume then that it was intended as
> > a warning, not a threat. Then just how do you prosecute events which
> > have not yet happened? As the wording of 422 PC apparently is based
> > upon events that have not yet, may have, or might possibly occur in
> > the future.
> > Since when does one post bail for such a minor infraction of the law?
> > Oh yeah. Since it's in california.
> Richard once again showing he thinks the first amendment is limitless.
> Richard, 422 PC has *already* been ruled constitutional. As have
> similar laws in other states criminalizing threats. Look it up.
The question isn't whether laws criminalizing threats are
constitutional. It's whether merely saying that if anyone breaks into
one's home, they'll be "met with a warm welcome" is a constitutionally
prosecutable as a threat (as opposed to an instance of protected speech)
(1) it's general in the extreme,
(2) it can be interpreted several ways ("warm welcome" could mean
anything-- from deadly force to calling the cops)
(3) even if it can be deemed a threat, at most it's a threat to do a
legal act: protecting one's home from criminal intrusion.
If, under the law, I have the right to defend my home with deadly force
against intruders, how can it be a criminal act to announce to the world
that I'm prepared to do just that?
> If, under the law, I have the right to defend my home with deadly force
> against intruders, how can it be a criminal act to announce to the world
> that I'm prepared to do just that?
Because the "threat" is directed at a specific and identifiable class
The Co$ PIs that wanna know if you've got a strap-on in your underwear
drawer, or have other juicy bits of moral-outrage-based-DA-material
lying around your house.
Sean, I wish you luck, and I hope this gets thrown out in short order.
I don't think you want to spend years of your life going all the way
to the Supreme Court, do you? Time Magazine fought their bogus libel
suit for nearly a decade, remember? Well no, you probably don't. Here
Scientology's recent aggressiveness surprised even me, and yeah, I
know how vicious those OSA fuckers are. Apparently even large numbers
of protesters don't slow them down in their main stomping grounds --
LA and Clearwater.
But you need to chill out a bit. Even if they did poison the cat food,
posting pix of your guns was not a good idea. Some of the statements
you made gave them an opening to whine and carry on about how you
scared them shitless, and there are plenty of loyal robots who will
lie and say you did.
At this point, the best service you could do for other Anons is
educate them about the somewhat dumb moves you made. You sure didn't
listen to Mark Bunker (Wise Beard Man), did you?
> The question isn't whether laws criminalizing threats are
> constitutional. It's whether merely saying that if anyone breaks into
> one's home,
the caption on the photo clearly says
"Come in my house and you'll have a warm welcome"
nothing about no "breaking in"
> they'll be "met with a warm welcome"
Every time I came into my Grandmother's house
(may she rest in peace) I got "a warm welcome"
usually involving moist delicious cake. Then we
went into the back 40 for some target practice.
I guess the "crime" here is that Mr Carsov is not
I am not anyone's Grandmother either and if that
is a "crime" then..
BRB someone is at the door..
$*^@&+++ NO CARRIER
its a pure harrassment charge, its fully legal to show ones guns even
under a deliberate banner that they will be used against
intruders...thats legal. casporov though didnt even say that... he
just said 'warm welcome'.... the cult is trying to spin that to an
implied threat, but its not.... at worst its a statement of legal
fact ... both a right and duty.
desperate cult is getting more desperate... any judge not being paid
off by scn will throw it out of court imo
Not to make light of this, but I never noticed the spot of 'rust' (?)
on the Colt. It actually doesn't look as bad IRL and it's only on the
starboard side; the pic was *very* unflattering. However, now it's
annoying me so, what would I use to get rid of that save gun oil and
gun oil and elbow grease... its the only way... try a toothbrush with
some marvel mystery oil or hoppes #9 followed by gun oil...
> the cos files the lamest of charges all the time, it knows most cannot
> be won, the intent is to run up legal expenses and stress on the
> person targeted,...ruin them with their employers etc. ... thats why
> you have to be careful to word what you say carefully.
> phil scott
I'm an unemployed music biz exec so good luck with that. I wasn't
kidding when I said "the porn industry is less sleazy". If anyone
*was* hiring any more ("The Biz" is all but over) they wouldn't care
less. I actually used to get looked at funny if I turned up at 10am
since they suspected I hadn't been out all night looking for The Next
Mind you, I'm going to have a tough time getting a 'regular' job since
teh google hits on my name aren't exactly flattering. Anyone hiring
"domestic terrorists"? (Funny how Anon went from "a bunch of computer
geeks" to Al Qaeda in CO$ lingo in a week and a half).
> At this point, the best service you could do for other Anons is
> educate them about the somewhat dumb moves you made. You sure didn't
> listen to Mark Bunker (Wise Beard Man), did you?
I did but sometimes we humans don't act rationally or as emotionless
as the CO$fags when confronted with a dead cat (or the perception that
Mudkips had been poisoned). He was a feral but he was still one of
'mine'. I love all animals (OSA excepted) but have a special place in
my heart for teh kittehs. He never came back so I'll never really know
but he'd been coming around for over a year. Someone in the Old Guard
told me not to think that all CO$fags hate animals and even though
they were undoubtedly baiting me for trolling at the protest, (which
I did attend and *without* a sign) they might have taken him to a
Oh that's okay then.
Oh, I hope that's the case.
I simply can't relate to someone who could kill anything, pet or
human. Although I can relate slightly better to the human bit...lol
Good luck on the job situation. Perhaps after this blows over you'll
find yourself a hero (not AN HERO...lol) and in demand once the
public is completely educated on the CoS matter. I have my fingers
crossed for you, honey.
> On Mar 31, 3:57 pm, Rorschach <Watchman.Rorsch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 25, 4:12 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > At this point, the best service you could do for other Anons is
> > > educate them about the somewhat dumb moves you made. You sure didn't
> > > listen to Mark Bunker (Wise Beard Man), did you?
> > I did but sometimes we humans don't act rationally or as emotionless
> > as the CO$fags when confronted with a dead cat (or the perception that
> > Mudkips had been poisoned). He was a feral but he was still one of
> > 'mine'. I love all animals (OSA excepted) but have a special place in
> > my heart for teh kittehs. He never came back so I'll never really know
> > but he'd been coming around for over a year. Someone in the Old Guard
> > told me not to think that all CO$fags hate animals and even though
> > they were undoubtedly baiting me for trolling at the protest, (which
> > I did attend and *without* a sign) they might have taken him to a
> > shelter.
> > Oh that's okay then.
> Oh, I hope that's the case.
> I simply can't relate to someone who could kill anything, pet or
So you'd stand by and let someone else kill you or a member of your
family if you had the ability to stop it, if that meant killing your
I don't know what I'd do. I'm sure I'd put up as much of a fight as
possible, but not having been in that situation as of yet, there's
simply know way of knowing for certain.
And let's not forget that he must totally avoid meat of every kind.
Oh, so we never found a body? I was under the impression that there
had been one.
So basically, Mudkips is a Schroedinger's cat. I hope that when we
finally open the box he's alive.
Well, it sucks being a feral so wherever poor Mudkips 1.0 is, I hope
he's having many cheezburger.
Maybe I need a dog. I understand you breed them for nefarious purposes
My dogs are all bred for honest and legitimate purposes. It's an
excellent idea to purchase one at the same time you secure your
yep, what he said, and keep them guns loaded and at the ready...
scienos quit messing with me after they met my dogs a few times... and
my dogs don't take food from strangers so they can't poison em
I did, indeed, miss the sarcasm. It simply didn't occur to me as
we've only dealt with no-kill shelters when we've dealt with them at