"I taught my kids responsible gun use, blah, blah, blah"
Axel Van Kampen
fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Kent Finnell
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>
kids to us. We will protect them. You stay the hell home. You made your
decision to become a victim/prey. Why should your children suffer for your
ignorance?
--
Kent Finnell
From the Music City, USA
I am the NRA and I vote.
Vote Freedom First!
William A. Levinson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
Well, Axel, there was a time in this country when a GENTLEMAN was expected
to know how to use firearms for the defense of his family and country. Some
of us still feel that way, but your kind apparently does not. Perhaps you
should emigrate to Europe, where the peasants, I mean serfs, I mean
Europeans agree with you.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/
Morton Davis
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
The Boy Scouts of America and Four H Clubs for two organizations.
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>
>
Obviously, you're too fucking stupid to have a computer. Smash it now. Do it
for the children.
What a fucking waste you are.
-*MORT*-
Axel Van Kampen
"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >
> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> >
> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to send
your
> kids to us.
1. Never had a riot here.
2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to send
them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> We will protect them.
No you wont.
> You stay the hell home.
Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns either.
You made your
> decision to become a victim/prey.
Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as obsessed
with guns as yours.
The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by their own
gun I'll think of you. Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
Why should your children suffer for your
> ignorance?
If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries to
minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream? Have fun
playing cowboys and indians!
Only small men need guns to feel big.
David Voth
Suit yourself. You are free to teach YOUR kids whatever you think is
appropriate, and mind your own business about how other prople raise
theirs.
--
"People who support the assault-weapons ban do so largely because
they've been led to believe that the banned weapons fire full-auto
like the ones shown during the TV news voiceovers on the subject."
- John Payson
David Voth
<spa...@bigpond.com> was kind enough to write:
>"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
>> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>> >
>> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>> >
>> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to send
>your
>> kids to us.
>
>1. Never had a riot here.
>2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to send
>them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
>
>> We will protect them.
>
>No you wont.
Ooooooh! A net.psychic!
Tell me Axel: How many fingers am I holding up right now?
<snip>
>Only small men need guns to feel big.
Deep, profound, infinitely original and clever.
--
The pro-control side clearly believes that U.S. laws are based on the
"everything is prohibited unless specifically allowed" model, rather
than the "everything is allowed unless specifically prohibited" model
that U.S. law actually uses. - Steve Hix in talk.politics.guns
johnson
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
total
> > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > >
> > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > >
> > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to send
> your
> > kids to us.
>
> 1. Never had a riot here.
Liar,.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=australia&as_q=ri
ots&btnG=Search%C2%A0within%C2%A0results
> 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
send
> them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
Gun owners prevented the South Central riots from spreading into their
neighborhoods. The police packed up and high tailed it out of there. Your
kids would have been raped and murdered because you were to much of a coward
to defend them.
Bert Hyman
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> ... fucking ...
> fucking loser moron ...
You were the captain of your school debate team, right?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@visi.com
Kent Finnell
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
total
> > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > >
> > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > >
> > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to send
> your
> > kids to us.
>
> 1. Never had a riot here.
Really? Have you ever had a war or three? Have jackbooted thugs ever toted
away family, friends, or neighbors? Have soldiers raped your mother,
grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
> 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
send
> them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves. But I do
know several families who have been involved in hunting and target shooting
for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on the
Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who boarded
his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed. They
never found the body.
>
> > We will protect them.
>
> No you wont.
Oh we would, being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
>
> > You stay the hell home.
>
> Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns either.
>
> You made your
> > decision to become a victim/prey.
>
> Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as obsessed
> with guns as yours.
Whose obsessed? Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
> The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by their
own
> gun I'll think of you.
Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot. Women who
defend themselves against an abusive spouse or boyfriend frequently do use
firearms. There's a reason Mr. Colt called his product the Equalizer. Men
who abuse women or children and are shot by their victims get exactly what
they deserve.
> Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The murderous
loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or propane
gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions of the
shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
>
>
> Why should your children suffer for your
> > ignorance?
>
> If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries to
> minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
Wanking is not how you get a firearm to discharge. Maybe it is best that
you stay away from firearms. You might hurt yourself.
>
> Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream? Have
fun
> playing cowboys and indians!
My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their own
lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't have
a gun dream.
>
> Only small men need guns to feel big.
>
Oooo, the oft misapplied theory of Dr. Freud. It's the hoplophobes who have
feelings of sexual inadequacies.
RD Thompson
> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>
>
>
Glad to see that you are open minded.
--
Sleep well tonight.........
RD (The Sandman)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rdsandman
Elections are always important. Vote or you have absolutely no right
to complain about the results. Our views need to heard in Congress
and in state legislatures. GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RD Thompson
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
>> > total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>> >
>> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>> >
>> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
>> send
> your
>> kids to us.
>
> 1. Never had a riot here.
> 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
> to send them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
We don't do that either. We teach them ourselves. After they grow up they
make their own decisions as to hang with.
>> We will protect them.
>
> No you wont.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know us and you do
not know our children. You only know how to run your mouth or your
keyboard.
> > You stay the hell home.
>
> Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns
> either.
Good! Stay there?
> You made your
>> decision to become a victim/prey.
>
> Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as
> obsessed with guns as yours.
Goos! Stay there!
> The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by
> their own gun I'll think of you. Or perhaps the Columbine shootings
> where the murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
Remain ignorant.....it is your free choice....
> Why should your children suffer for your
>> ignorance?
>
> If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries
> to minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
Whatever......
> Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream?
> Have fun playing cowboys and indians!
>
> Only small men need guns to feel big.
Then why don't you have one?
Scout
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Troll Score - 2 out of 10.
Reason - Too clearly nothing but troll bait
Allan Lindsay-O'Neal
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Sorry, gutter-mouth: teaching kids responsibility is the name of the game.
Chris Johnson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
>Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as obsessed
>with guns as yours.
>The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by their own
>gun I'll think of you. Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
>murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
>
The next time someone gets murdered in cold blood by an armed criminal,
stop for a moment
and think about what MIGHT have been the outcome if the victim had been
armed and able
to defend himself.
>
>
> Why should your children suffer for your
>
>
>>ignorance?
>>
>>
>
>If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries to
>minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
>
>Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream? Have fun
>playing cowboys and indians!
>
>Only small men need guns to feel big.
>
Only the weak rely on others to protect them.
Call for the fire department, call for the police, and call for a pizza.
See which one arrives first.
You'll be halfway through the pizza before the police show up.
Given the choice between relying on the police to protect me (with a
probable 10 minute response
time, or worse) or relying on any of my guns and my own skills (I can
get to one in ten seconds or
less), I know which one is more useful to me in the even of a burglary
to my occupied dwelling.
The police can't be counted on to arrive when I need them most. But I
can count on myself and
my guns to be there when I need them.
You're so anti-gun that you refuse to even acknowledge the inescapable
truth about guns, which
is that it has been shown time and time again that as gun ownership
becomes more common,
crime becomes LESS common. This idea is so offensive to you that you
absolutely refuse to
accept it even though it's absolutely true beyond the slightest doubt.
There is a word to describe those who refuse to accept raw truth, and
that word is STUPID.
CJ
>
>
>
>
The Lone Weasel
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only
>> a total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>>
>> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>>
> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> send your kids to us. We will protect them. You stay the hell
> home. You made your decision to become a victim/prey. Why should
> your children suffer for your ignorance?
Funnelhead, please don't protect me from the rioting black people -
those are the people you're thinking of, isn't it?
When your nightmare vision of reality comes around, just keep it to
yourself. Sober up before shooting anything.
_______________
I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether
originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and
circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of
body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that
different Species of the same genus, or varieties of the same
species, may possess different qualifications. Will not a lover of
natural history then, one who views the gradations in all the races
of animals with the eye of philosophy, excuse an effort to keep
those in the department of man as distinct as nature has formed
them? This unfortunate difference of colour, and perhaps of faculty,
is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people. Many of
their advocates, while they wish to vindicate the liberty of human
nature are anxious also to preserve its dignity and beauty. Some of
these, embarrassed by the question `What further is to be done with
them?' join themselves in opposition with those who are actuated by
sordid avarice only. Among the Romans emancipation required but one
effort. The slave, when made free, might mix with, without staining
the blood of his master. But with us a second is necessary, unknown
to history. When freed, he is to be removed beyond the reach of
mixture.
Thomas Jefferson. Notes On The State Of Virginia, Query XIV. 1781
--
Yours truly,
The Lone Weasel
Gray Ghost
> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>
>
Frankly, we don't give a damn what happens in Australia. Why do you have
your knickers ina twist about what we do in our own country?
Perhaps you could petition the UN to disarm us so you could feel safer.
--
Frank
A "natural right"? Where do those come from?
- Catl Nisarel, 10/17/02 who claims to be an American citizen,
demonstrating exactly how much he understands about the United
States, it's founding documents and principles and the people
who risked everything to create it.
Bill Bradley
> Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot.
In 1998, 808 U.S. women were shot and killed by their husbands or
boyfriends. This represented about two thirds of spousal murders. 410 of
these gun murders happened during an argument. (U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Justice Statistics; Homicide Trends in the U.S., Intimate Partner
Homicide; 2001)
During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
spouses/partners in self defence.
Axel Van Kampen
"William A. Levinson" <wlev...@ixNOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Axel Van Kampen wrote:
>
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> Well, Axel, there was a time in this country when a GENTLEMAN was expected
> to know how to use firearms for the defense of his family and country.
Some
> of us still feel that way, but your kind apparently does not.
Sure you feel that way. Because you were born 100 years too late.
Perhaps you
> should emigrate to Europe, where the peasants, I mean serfs, I mean
> Europeans agree with you.
No way!!! Too fucking cold. Australia is perfect in every way!
Axel Van Kampen
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
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Ladies and gentlemen,
This is the response of a typical gun wanker. Do you associate yourself with
this type of creature?
Axel Van Kampen
"johnson" <n...@nnpoe.coom> wrote in message
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>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> total
> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > >
> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
send
> > your
> > > kids to us.
> >
> > 1. Never had a riot here.
>
> Liar,.
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=australia&as_q=ri
> ots&btnG=Search%C2%A0within%C2%A0results
As I said, we never had a riot here. Not where I live.
Next..................
>
> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
> send
> > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
>
> Gun owners prevented the South Central riots from spreading into their
> neighborhoods. The police packed up and high tailed it out of there. Your
> kids would have been raped and murdered because you were to much of a
coward
> to defend them.
Nope. I just wouldn't live there in the first place. Simple.
BTW, got any facts to back up your claim? This is the first I have ever
heard that statement made. You wouldn't be lying to me, would you?
Axel Van Kampen
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> total
> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > >
> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
send
> > your
> > > kids to us.
> >
> > 1. Never had a riot here.
>
> Really? Have you ever had a war or three?
Not in Australia. If we ever do, we have armed forces to defend the country,
not some amateur gun crazed militia crowd who is undisciplined.
Have jackbooted thugs ever toted
> away family, friends, or neighbors?
Nope. I've never ever been robbed or kidnapped an dneither has my family,
friends or neighbors.
Have soldiers raped your mother,
> grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
Nope. Never.
And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
>
> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
> send
> > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
>
> I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
"They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from all
the other gun wankers?
But I do
> know several families who have been involved in hunting and target
shooting
> for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on the
> Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who
boarded
> his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed. They
> never found the body.
> >
> > > We will protect them.
> >
> > No you wont.
>
> Oh we would,
No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun crazed
maniacs.
being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy country
in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their Infantry
unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't belong
in the hands of private citizens.
You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
>
> >
> > > You stay the hell home.
> >
> > Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns
either.
> >
> > You made your
> > > decision to become a victim/prey.
> >
> > Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as
obsessed
> > with guns as yours.
>
> Whose obsessed?
You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they pry
it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will ever
take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
freedom.
I guess it's all in the upbringing.
>
> > The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by their
> own
> > gun I'll think of you.
>
> Doesn't happen all that often.
Really? I tend to believe otherwise, it certainly gets published an awful
lot. Are you saying that those claims are made up lies?
Women who are killed or injured in a
> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot. Women who
> defend themselves against an abusive spouse or boyfriend frequently do use
> firearms. There's a reason Mr. Colt called his product the Equalizer.
Yeah, yeah, equalizer, enforcer. Clint Eastwood, The Terminator, blah, blah,
blah..................
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....................................
Men
> who abuse women or children and are shot by their victims get exactly what
> they deserve.
Absolutely!! Could not agree more. But no one should take the law in to
their own hands.
Most of those women have probably been abused for years. Why didn't they
report the bastard straight away instead of waiting until they snap?
>
> > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
>
> You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The murderous
> loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or propane
> gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions of
the
> shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had "trained them
responsibly".
>
> >
> >
> > Why should your children suffer for your
> > > ignorance?
> >
> > If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries to
> > minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
>
> Wanking is not how you get a firearm to discharge.
I use the term wank because you all seem so obsessed with your dear guns
that I conclude that you probably take your guns to bed with you at night.
You all seem to love your guns sooooooooo much, so it seems like wanking to
me.
Maybe it is best that
> you stay away from firearms. You might hurt yourself.
I was trained in the South African army to use guns so I think I could
manage.
But I stay away from guns anyway, I think I have already told you that. Did
you miss that part?
>
> >
> > Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream? Have
> fun
> > playing cowboys and indians!
>
> My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their own
> lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
> adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't
have
> a gun dream.
Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use", right?
>
> >
> > Only small men need guns to feel big.
> >
> Oooo, the oft misapplied theory of Dr. Freud. It's the hoplophobes who
have
> feelings of sexual inadequacies.
What else is one to assume?
Axel Van Kampen
"RD Thompson" <rdsandman[from]@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>
> >
> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> >> > total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >> >
> >> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> >> >
> >> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> >> send
> > your
> >> kids to us.
> >
> > 1. Never had a riot here.
> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
> > to send them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
>
> We don't do that either. We teach them ourselves. After they grow up they
> make their own decisions as to hang with.
>
>
> >> We will protect them.
> >
> > No you wont.
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know us and you
do
> not know our children. You only know how to run your mouth or your
> keyboard.
Clue; I was responding to someone elses post who tried to tell me that he
would protect MY KIDS. I don't have any so it's academic.
Do try and keep up!
>
> > > You stay the hell home.
> >
> > Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns
> > either.
>
> Good! Stay there?
You bet yah! Wouldn't live anywhere else!
>
> > You made your
> >> decision to become a victim/prey.
> >
> > Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as
> > obsessed with guns as yours.
>
> Goos! Stay there!
Agreed. See my earlier comment.
>
> > The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by
> > their own gun I'll think of you. Or perhaps the Columbine shootings
> > where the murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
>
> Remain ignorant.....it is your free choice....
I guess you by that mean that this does not happen?
This will be fun................
>
> > Why should your children suffer for your
> >> ignorance?
> >
> > If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries
> > to minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
>
> Whatever......
>
> > Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream?
> > Have fun playing cowboys and indians!
> >
> > Only small men need guns to feel big.
>
> Then why don't you have one?
Because I don't need one. I feel confident and safe enough without one.
Perhaps I'm just not as chickenshit as you are?
> --
> Sleep well tonight.........
I sleep well everynight. I might just go down the beach for a few hours
first though.
no one of consequence
]
] "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
] news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
]
]> Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
]> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot.
]
] In 1998, 808 U.S. women were shot and killed by their husbands or
] boyfriends. This represented about two thirds of spousal murders. 410 of
] these gun murders happened during an argument. (U.S. Department of Justice
] Bureau of Justice Statistics; Homicide Trends in the U.S., Intimate Partner
] Homicide; 2001)
808 out of how many women?
] During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
] spouses/partners in self defence.
So you only count killings as a successful self-defense?
--
|Patrick Chester wol...@io.com |
|"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" |
|Wittier remarks always come to mind just after sending your article.|
Karl Hungus
Nor have I. Of course, even though I've never had a house fire, I still
feel better knowing that there's a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.
Silly paranoid me.
> Have soldiers raped your mother,
> > grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
>
> Nope. Never.
Same here.
But you still have to keep an eye on those soldiers! Shifty buggers, they
are....
> And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
> grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
> taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
And of course your grandpa is exemplary of society at large, right?
Your grandfathers' inadequacies do not dictate public policy, not matter how
much you may want it to be so.
> > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
to
> > send
> > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> >
> > I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
>
> "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from all
> the other gun wankers?
What's a "gun wanker"? Someone who likes to shoot guns? What do you call
someone who likes to ride motorcycles or plant flowers? Does it end in
'wanker'?
> But I do
> > know several families who have been involved in hunting and target
> shooting
> > for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on
the
> > Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who
> boarded
> > his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed.
They
> > never found the body.
> > >
> > > > We will protect them.
> > >
> > > No you wont.
> >
> > Oh we would,
>
> No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
crazed
> maniacs.
Me either. Personally, I wouldn't allow my child around anyone who had a
morbid fixation on *any* inanimate object. After all, that's just sound
parenting....
> being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> > to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
>
> Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
Nope. Just a small measure of security.
> Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
country
> in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their Infantry
> unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns.
> I just think that they don't belong
> in the hands of private citizens.
Just in the hands of a government that wishes to use force to subordinate an
entire race of people, right? They're the only ones who should be entrusted
with firearms! Gotta keep guns away from those krazy kaffirs, don't we?
I'll bet you speak fluent Afrikaans, don't you?
Revealed: another racist, socialist poof who has a hard-on for a society in
complete lockdown.
> You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
And you're living proof of why all men should be free to possess guns.
no one of consequence
]
] "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
] news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
]>
]> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
]> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> >
]> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
]> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
]> > >
]> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
]> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
]> total
]> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
]> > > >
]> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
]> > > >
]> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
] send
]> > your
]> > > kids to us.
]> >
]> > 1. Never had a riot here.
]>
]> Really? Have you ever had a war or three?
]
] Not in Australia. If we ever do, we have armed forces to defend the country,
] not some amateur gun crazed militia crowd who is undisciplined.
Where would that be? Besides your bigoted fantasies, that is...
] Have jackbooted thugs ever toted
]> away family, friends, or neighbors?
]
] Nope. I've never ever been robbed or kidnapped an dneither has my family,
] friends or neighbors.
]
]
] Have soldiers raped your mother,
]> grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
]
] Nope. Never.
Can't happen there, in other words?
] And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
] grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
] taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
Gosh, I've never owned a gun and somehow don't share your views. Nice to see
you using the actions of one person to smear everyone else.
]> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
]> send
]> > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
]>
]> I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
]
] "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from all
] the other gun wankers?
Or perhaps trying to get you to realize that very few people match your
fantasies of what a gun owner must be like.
]> > No you wont.
]>
]> Oh we would,
]
] No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun crazed
] maniacs.
Your paranoia and prejudice is noted. You have a lot of hate inside you.
] being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
]> to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
]
] Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
No. Next fallacy.
] Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy country
] in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their Infantry
] unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't belong
] in the hands of private citizens.
You fear what your neighbors might do if they had guns... because you would
do horrible things.
] You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must come
from your own little mind.
]> Whose obsessed?
]
] You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they pry
] it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will ever
] take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
] If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
Not wanting people to own guns, calling them "gun wankers", getting all
hyper about one of those evil "gun wankers" offering to protect those you
care about. Sounds like an obsessive hatred.
] Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
]> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
]
] Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
] freedom.
...as well as free speech = freedom, freedom of religion = freedom. Whilst
you think restrictions on the public = freedom. Which doesn't really make
sense.
] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
Civilised vs. domesticated.
]> > The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by their
]> own
]> > gun I'll think of you.
]>
]> Doesn't happen all that often.
]
] Really? I tend to believe otherwise, it certainly gets published an awful
] lot. Are you saying that those claims are made up lies?
No, just rare events hyped by the media enough that the gullible think they
happen "all the time" and such.
] Women who are killed or injured in a
]> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot. Women who
]> defend themselves against an abusive spouse or boyfriend frequently do use
]> firearms. There's a reason Mr. Colt called his product the Equalizer.
]
] Yeah, yeah, equalizer, enforcer. Clint Eastwood, The Terminator, blah, blah,
] blah..................
]
] ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....................................
Try humming loudly with your fingers in your ears. Might work better.
] Men
]> who abuse women or children and are shot by their victims get exactly what
]> they deserve.
]
] Absolutely!! Could not agree more. But no one should take the law in to
] their own hands.
When the law is there, they can take it in their own hands. Otherwise, it is
up to the victims to defend themselves.
] Most of those women have probably been abused for years. Why didn't they
] report the bastard straight away instead of waiting until they snap?
Why not go browse some sites on abusive relationships.
]> > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
]> > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
]>
]> You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The murderous
]> loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or propane
]> gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions of
] the
]> shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
]
] I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had "trained them
] responsibly".
Care to cite that?
]> > If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries to
]> > minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
]>
]> Wanking is not how you get a firearm to discharge.
]
] I use the term wank because you all seem so obsessed with your dear guns
] that I conclude that you probably take your guns to bed with you at night.
Because, after all, that's what YOU would do if you were one of those awful
gun owners...
] You all seem to love your guns sooooooooo much, so it seems like wanking to
] me.
Look up projection and then come back to us.
] Maybe it is best that
]> you stay away from firearms. You might hurt yourself.
]
] I was trained in the South African army to use guns so I think I could
] manage.
] But I stay away from guns anyway, I think I have already told you that. Did
] you miss that part?
That's your choice. Stop demanding others share your choice and stop making
up crap about those who do actually own firearms.
]> My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their own
]> lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
]> adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't
] have
]> a gun dream.
]
] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use", right?
...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
]> > Only small men need guns to feel big.
]> >
]> Oooo, the oft misapplied theory of Dr. Freud. It's the hoplophobes who
] have
]> feelings of sexual inadequacies.
]
] What else is one to assume?
That you project your own problems upon others to hide from them.
Axel Van Kampen
"Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >
> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> >
> >
>
> Frankly, we don't give a damn what happens in Australia. Why do you have
> your knickers ina twist about what we do in our own country?
I wasn't talking about just your country. This NG is international, is it
not?
If you don't like it, fuck off and die!
Kent Finnell
"The Lone Weasel" <lonew...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net:
>
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only
> >> a total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >>
> >> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> >>
> > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> > send your kids to us. We will protect them. You stay the hell
> > home. You made your decision to become a victim/prey. Why should
> > your children suffer for your ignorance?
>
> Funnelhead, please don't protect me from the rioting black people -
> those are the people you're thinking of, isn't it?
Now where did I say anything about rioting black people? Rioting is one of
those human traits that's an equal opportunity failing, first cousin to war.
Besides, you're the racist around here, not I.
>
> When your nightmare vision of reality comes around, just keep it to
> yourself. Sober up before shooting anything.
The last time I was drunk was before you were born. If Budwiser depended on
folks like me, they'd only have to run one shift one week per year; Jack
Daniels, one shift one week per decade.
Don't trot your racist brush out here to paint me, Lee.
Kent Finnell
>
> "johnson" <n...@nnpoe.coom> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > >
> > > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> > total
> > > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > > >
> > > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> send
> > > your
> > > > kids to us.
> > >
> > > 1. Never had a riot here.
> >
> > Liar,.
> >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=australia&as_q=ri
> > ots&btnG=Search%C2%A0within%C2%A0results
>
> As I said, we never had a riot here. Not where I live.
You do live in Australia, don't you?
>
> Next..................
>
> >
> > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
to
> > send
> > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> >
> > Gun owners prevented the South Central riots from spreading into their
> > neighborhoods. The police packed up and high tailed it out of there.
Your
> > kids would have been raped and murdered because you were to much of a
> coward
> > to defend them.
>
> Nope. I just wouldn't live there in the first place. Simple.
Riots happen, rarely are they planned for a given location.
>
> BTW, got any facts to back up your claim? This is the first I have ever
> heard that statement made. You wouldn't be lying to me, would you?
>
You've never heard of it, so it couldn't have happened, right? Try the
"Rodney King Riots", circa 1992. Korean merchants took to the rooftops of
their stores with rifles and handguns to protect their property,
neighborhoods, and lives. A friend of mine here in Nashville who is married
to a Korean woman said, "I've never been prouder of my in-laws." I don't
believe they were responsible for any deaths that occurred during that
particular display of human stupidity.
The-Trainers
> What is so fucking responsible about that?
Since guns do exist in the world and the only other image kids
get of guns comes from "cool" criminals on TV and in movies,
it would would irresponsible indeed NOT to teach all kids about
responsible gun use.
Much like educating kids about responsible use of legal drugs
and the dangers of the MID-use of any sort of drugs.
Guns are out there in the world, just as drugs are, to assume
that kids wont come into contact with guns or drugs at some point
in their lives is simply irrational and damn dangerous besides.
> The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
So, if a parent educates their kids about sex, also potentially
deadly these days, YOU would also consider them a moron?
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Ah, because that sort of thing works so well when it comes to
drugs, sex, alcohol, tobacco or anything else for that matter,
right?
My personal political positions resume:
Supporting: Full Abortion rights even for teenage girls, Full & Equal
rights for homosexuals including marriage and adoptions, Seperation of
Church/State especially to keep religion OUT of schools, and most
other Liberal issues supporting freedom of choice and protecting rights.
Where modern Liberals have it wrong is when they distrust ordinary
people to make their own choices, like when Liberals support gun-control.
Mike Trainer, Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER!
Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976,
NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2001. Now voting
ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms.
The-Trainers
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it
> > only a total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free
> to send your kids to us. We will protect them.
> You stay the hell home. You made your decision to become a
> victim/prey. Why should your children suffer for your ignorance?
Ignorant bigots like Axel can't stand the idea that the next generation
might be smarter and more educated than he is, so he WANTS to spread
his ignorance to everyone!
James R. Rogers
>probable 10 minute response
>time, or worse) or relying on any of my guns and my own skills (I can
>get to one in ten seconds or
>less), I know which one is more useful to me in the even of a burglary
>to my occupied dwelling.
Amen! I couldn't have said it better myself.
The police can send a crime stopper at no more than 80mph, and that's
quite unlikely (especially considering the current 3-for-1 special at
Dunkin' Donuts). My AK can send a crime stopper at over 2,000 feet
per second.
As a criminal, which would YOU rather face?
Thought so.
-James R. Rogers
NetA...@Net-Link.Net
James R. Rogers
>
>This is the response of a typical gun wanker. Do you associate yourself with
>this type of creature?
Well, since he's right... Yes.
-James R. Rogers
NetA...@Net-Link.Net
Morton Davis
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
total
> > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > >
> > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > >
> > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to send
> your
> > kids to us.
>
Pasded cells are like that.
> 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
send
> them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
Good thing. You're too defective to allow you to breed. By "militia crowd"
you mean the entire population of the USA, dipshit.
-*MORT*-
David Voth
was kind enough to write:
>"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
>
>> Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
>> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot.
>
>In 1998, 808 U.S. women were shot and killed by their husbands or
>boyfriends. This represented about two thirds of spousal murders. 410 of
>these gun murders happened during an argument....
That must have been one heck of an argument. Two families arguing
over protocol for an interfaith wedding?
>...(U.S. Department of Justice
>Bureau of Justice Statistics; Homicide Trends in the U.S., Intimate Partner
>Homicide; 2001)
>
>During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
>spouses/partners in self defence.
Uh-oh. Bill reveals his secreat weapon: The Body Count Fallacy.
Levity aside I must ask you one serious question, Bill:
Do you understand that successful defensive use of a gun does not
necessarily result in a fatal shooting?
--
"People who support the assault-weapons ban do so largely because
they've been led to believe that the banned weapons fire full-auto
like the ones shown during the TV news voiceovers on the subject."
- John Payson
Kent Finnell
Oh, so your grandfather was a "gun wanker" who supported apartheid? That
explains a lot. But there was/is plenty of rioting and rape in South
Africia, at that time and now.
> >
> > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
to
> > send
> > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> >
> > I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
>
> "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from all
> the other gun wankers?
No, I'm saying that nutball militia types as displayed by the sensationalist
media here and abroad are few and far between and in no way represent the
average gun owner in this country.
>
> But I do
> > know several families who have been involved in hunting and target
> shooting
> > for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on
the
> > Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who
> boarded
> > his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed.
They
> > never found the body.
> > >
> > > > We will protect them.
> > >
> > > No you wont.
> >
> > Oh we would,
>
> No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
crazed
> maniacs.
Nor would I, but I repeat, I don't know any gun crazed maniacs. We, as a
society, tend to seperate known maniacs from the rest of us and put them in
mental institutions and prisions.
>
> being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> > to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
>
> Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
> Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
country
> in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their Infantry
> unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't
belong
> in the hands of private citizens.
> You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
So firearms only belong in the hands of an oppressive government and its
toady army? The only thing that has changed in South Africa is the skin
color of the oppressors.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > > You stay the hell home.
> > >
> > > Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns
> either.
> > >
> > > You made your
> > > > decision to become a victim/prey.
> > >
> > > Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as
> obsessed
> > > with guns as yours.
> >
> > Whose obsessed?
>
> You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they
pry
> it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will
ever
> take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
> If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
Actually that's free speech expressed by free people. Something your little
mind fails to grasp.
>
>
> Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> > of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
>
> Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
> freedom.
> I guess it's all in the upbringing.
Wrong again, bucko. Free people have the choice of being armed. Slaves
have no choice.
>
>
> >
> > > The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by
their
> > own
> > > gun I'll think of you.
> >
> > Doesn't happen all that often.
>
> Really? I tend to believe otherwise, it certainly gets published an awful
> lot. Are you saying that those claims are made up lies?
More often than not. There's a saying in the "news" media, "If it bleeds,
it leads."
>
> Women who are killed or injured in a
> > domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot. Women who
> > defend themselves against an abusive spouse or boyfriend frequently do
use
> > firearms. There's a reason Mr. Colt called his product the Equalizer.
>
> Yeah, yeah, equalizer, enforcer. Clint Eastwood, The Terminator, blah,
blah,
> blah..................
>
> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....................................
>
> Men
> > who abuse women or children and are shot by their victims get exactly
what
> > they deserve.
>
> Absolutely!! Could not agree more. But no one should take the law in to
> their own hands.
> Most of those women have probably been abused for years. Why didn't they
> report the bastard straight away instead of waiting until they snap?
Many do, nipping the situation in the bud, but that doesn't bleed enough to
make the news. Frankly, I don't understand the victim mentality any more
than you. Back when I was a little kid (about 15 and under 5'), my
step-father beat my mother. She told him that if he ever did it again, he
wouldn't live long enough to regreat it because he'd have to sleep sometime.
He believed her since he never did it again. She stayed because of me and
their two children, ages 7 and 5.
>
> >
> > > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> > > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
> >
> > You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The
murderous
> > loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or
propane
> > gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions of
> the
> > shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
>
> I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had "trained
them
> responsibly".
>
You've mixed up Columbine with Jonesboro, Arkansas. Why am I not surprised?
Isolated incidents in a large country confused by a small mind. The 13 year
old and the 11 year old broke into the home of one's grandfather to steal
guns. They also stole an automobile. Do you want to blame "car wankers"
while you're at it? The grandfather had attempted to teach responsibility,
but it obviously didn't take.
> > >
> > > Why should your children suffer for your
> > > > ignorance?
> > >
> > > If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries
to
> > > minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
> >
> > Wanking is not how you get a firearm to discharge.
>
> I use the term wank because you all seem so obsessed with your dear guns
> that I conclude that you probably take your guns to bed with you at night.
> You all seem to love your guns sooooooooo much, so it seems like wanking
to
> me.
I don't know of anyone who takes a firearm to bed with them for such a
perverted use. However I do know one elderly lady who slept with a small
pistol under her pillow while the side of her house was being repaired.
There was only a tarp between her and a rather rough neighborhood.
>
>
> Maybe it is best that
> > you stay away from firearms. You might hurt yourself.
>
> I was trained in the South African army to use guns so I think I could
> manage.
> But I stay away from guns anyway, I think I have already told you that.
Did
> you miss that part?
It becomes clearer now. Only the oppressors get to have firearms. As soon
as the oppressed took over, you were out of the country and you see firearms
as tools only for the oppressors.
> > >
> > > Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream?
Have
> > fun
> > > playing cowboys and indians!
> >
> > My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their
own
> > lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
> > adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't
> have
> > a gun dream.
>
> Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use", right?
>
Not really. I taught them to respect the danger of a firearm at an early
age. A 9 mm bullet through a water filled milk jug when viewed by an 8 year
old is pretty impressive. "It's not a toy. It can destroy things or take a
life." The lesson apparently took. As an adult now, he can make his own
decision. His younger sister was sufficently frightened by the noise.
Neither has a firearm in their homes. Since they are free people, they have
the right to make their choice.
> >
> > >
> > > Only small men need guns to feel big.
> > >
> > Oooo, the oft misapplied theory of Dr. Freud. It's the hoplophobes who
> have
> > feelings of sexual inadequacies.
>
>
> What else is one to assume?
>
Ah, "assume" ... makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". In this particular
case, tag, you're it.
Jeffrey Ryle
"STOP FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS
Gun Nut #43016
> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Automobiles cause more carnage and property damage in one year than
guns have caused in the past half-century. Last year alone in the US,
45,000 deaths and half a million injuries in auto accidents, and
billions of $$$ in property damage and medical expenses.
The way I see it only a total fucking loser moron would let his kids
ride in an automobile. If anything, teach your kids to stay away from
automobiles.
Bill Bradley
"David Voth" <davi...@catholic.org> wrote in message
news:2lp7suchhvnnfbvek...@4ax.com...
> >"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
> >> Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
> >> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot.
> >
> >In 1998, 808 U.S. women were shot and killed by their husbands or
> >boyfriends. This represented about two thirds of spousal murders. 410 of
> >these gun murders happened during an argument....
> >During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
> >spouses/partners in self defence.
DV: > Do you understand that successful defensive use of a gun does not
> necessarily result in a fatal shooting?
Yes, but I just threw out a couple of facts for your digestion (apparently
they caused indigestion). Funny how I am challenged for stating true facts,
yet none of you stood up to challenge Mr. Finnell's bunk. At least, two or
three a day doesn't amount to "[not] all that often" in my book. Do I sense
an agenda here?
Bert Hyman
<wgb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
> spouses/partners in self defence.
The only good outcome of such an encounter is death of the abuser?
You're just a bit blood thirsty.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@visi.com
Bill Bradley
"Bert Hyman" <be...@visi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92BA73D4733...@209.98.13.60...
> In news:7HJw9.153$PC4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca "Bill Bradley"
> <wgb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
> > spouses/partners in self defence.
>
> The only good outcome of such an encounter is death of the abuser?
No, but I was trying to be balanced because I also *only* mentioned the
incidents where women were *murdered*. I didn't count all the women who were
shot but not killed by their spouses, nor did I count all the incidents
where women were simply terrorised by spouses with a gun. I was only dealing
with incidents where people were killed, on both sides of the issue.
Bill Bradley
"no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:slrnas706h....@fnord.io.com...
> So you only count killings as a successful self-defense?
If you follow the thread back, they were arguing about people *killed* in
domestic disputes.
I didn't count non-fatal self defence by women, just as I didn't count
non-fatal attacks against women.
M. Eglestone
>
> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!
Axel, please STAY in Australia my friend. It is obvious that you are
not physically or mentally prepared to deal with Freedom of Choice. A
concept that lies at the very foundation of the United States.
We all wish you well in everything you do in your life, but please do
NOT come to this country.
---
- SMS Mike -
zach
> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
Why, are your kids irresponsible little monsters who don't respect
you? I've had access to firearms since I was 12 (been driving, for
that matter, from the same age). I knew what was right, and what was
wrong. From a technical standpoint, I knew of the lethality of
firearms, and used them in a legal manner: target shooting (never
cared about hunting). Of the hundreds of millions of firearms and tens
of millions of firearm owners, which millions of children use in a
lawful manner in the US, I'd say our culture overall is remarkably
restrained, polite, and responsible. Do I fear about some abberation
like Columbine? No, I actually fear the parents will raise more kids
like that. Do I worry about what gang-bangers do in some place like
LA? No, since rape, assualt, stabbings, and murder by other means are
significantly higher there, too- I choose not to live there. Do I
choose to be a victim to irrational fears? No, I like to think not.
When I was in high school, in a community where almost every house had
at least a .22 and a shotgun *loaded* behind every door, I knew one
guy who shot himself in a suicide attempt (he pulled through), one
girl who hung herself in a successful suicide, and 5 people who died
in car accidents. No school shootings, no related incidents. Why?
Because my peers were not a bunch of gun-fearing and obsessing loser
morons, nor were their parents.
> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
Yeah, other peoples'.
RD Thompson
Clue back.....I was going off your comment at the top of this post where
you said:
" What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!"
And then you had another comment which was:
"2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would
be to send them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with
guns."
So that is what I was responding to when I said that you really didn't know
what you were talking about. Please try to keep up.
--
Sleep well tonight.........
RD (The Sandman)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rdsandman
Elections are always important. Vote or you have absolutely no right
to complain about the results. Our views need to heard in Congress
and in state legislatures. GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ogmios
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:03 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
>fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
>If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
God I really hope and pray that YOU Axel (Axel? hahahah) Truly believe that.
Being a responsible parent, I want the best possible situation available to my children
when they become adults. Including the widest possible array of choices. That includes
firearms training now when they are children so when they ARE adults, they will be able
to either protect your dumbass kids who are too ignorant to protect themselves, or enslave
them if they so choose, since it seems that You have taught yours how to be little other
than frightened slaves.
Kill or be killed, my children can kill. Eat or be eaten, My children will eat. My
children are qualified to be the strong, the fittest to survive, The victors, are yours?
Whether it's in a capitalistic non-violent business world Utopia, or a harsh
post-apocalyptic wasteland, or anything in between, my children are qualified to win and
succeed and be happy. Not victims like yours. My children are prepared to be the
solution to problems, not a part of the problem like your dumbass progeny.... When it
comes to qualifications, AXEL, My children will be commanding or killing YOUR children...
My Children will be the employers, your dumbass kids will be the employees... And being
armed, there will be NO workers utopian revolution for your kids to look forward dreamily
to in your red diaper doper feminized fantasy world....
So Axel,
it is you who are raising the "total fucking loser morons" of tomorrow, not I.
Catching a terrorist in your back yard could be called: Exterminating circumstances.
Axel Van Kampen
Well, we have never ever had one here.
>
> >
> > BTW, got any facts to back up your claim? This is the first I have ever
> > heard that statement made. You wouldn't be lying to me, would you?
> >
> You've never heard of it, so it couldn't have happened, right? Try the
> "Rodney King Riots", circa 1992. Korean merchants took to the rooftops of
> their stores with rifles and handguns to protect their property,
> neighborhoods, and lives. A friend of mine here in Nashville who is
married
> to a Korean woman said, "I've never been prouder of my in-laws." I don't
> believe they were responsible for any deaths that occurred during that
> particular display of human stupidity.
I was asking for PROOF!! Not just your hearsay!
Got any weblinks so I can verify your fantasies?
Axel Van Kampen
"Karl Hungus" <karlh...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:poLw9.204212$md1.45754@sccrnsc03...
If you say so. I've got one too but I know that no one will ever come into
my house and shoot me dead with another fire extinguisher.
>
>
> > Have soldiers raped your mother,
> > > grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
> >
> > Nope. Never.
>
> Same here.
>
> But you still have to keep an eye on those soldiers! Shifty buggers, they
> are....
Are they? Thats news to me.
>
>
> > And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
> > grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
> > taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
>
> And of course your grandpa is exemplary of society at large, right?
He certainly was in that country. And I think you people are behaving in
exactly the same way.
He was one of those who would never ever give up his guns, even if it they
were made illegal.
And thats what people in this NG are advocating; I even saw one nutter
posting that he would shoot the cops if they ever tried to take his guns.
>
> Your grandfathers' inadequacies do not dictate public policy, not matter
how
> much you may want it to be so.
They were in line with the public policy in that country then (in fact the
majority of the voters) so I guess you are wrong about that too.
>
>
>
> > > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
> to
> > > send
> > > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> > >
> > > I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
> >
> > "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from
all
> > the other gun wankers?
>
> What's a "gun wanker"? Someone who likes to shoot guns?
Anyone who is obsessed wih guns. Just like all of you gun crazed manics in
this NG.
What do you call
> someone who likes to ride motorcycles or plant flowers? Does it end in
> 'wanker'?
>
> > But I do
> > > know several families who have been involved in hunting and target
> > shooting
> > > for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on
> the
> > > Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who
> > boarded
> > > his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed.
> They
> > > never found the body.
> > > >
> > > > > We will protect them.
> > > >
> > > > No you wont.
> > >
> > > Oh we would,
> >
> > No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
> crazed
> > maniacs.
>
> Me either. Personally, I wouldn't allow my child around anyone who had a
> morbid fixation on *any* inanimate object. After all, that's just sound
> parenting....
I'm so glad we agree on that. So you would not have a problem handing over
yor guns to the authorities if they were made illegal then?
>
>
> > being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> > > to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
> >
> > Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
>
> Nope. Just a small measure of security.
To me, anyone who needs a gun to feel safe is gutless. I don't need a gun to
feel safe, what about you?
>
>
> > Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
> country
> > in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their
Infantry
> > unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns.
>
> > I just think that they don't belong
> > in the hands of private citizens.
>
> Just in the hands of a government that wishes to use force to subordinate
an
> entire race of people, right? They're the only ones who should be
entrusted
> with firearms! Gotta keep guns away from those krazy kaffirs, don't we?
Let me tell you, I never made the politics of that country. Don't blame me,
I was never old enough to vote even but I saw what the gun happy maniacs
were up to.
>
> I'll bet you speak fluent Afrikaans, don't you?
I do. Is that a crime?
>
> Revealed: another racist, socialist poof who has a hard-on for a society
in
> complete lockdown.
Thats a contradiction in terms;
Anyhow, I am probably a little racist but I am very very rightwing and
anti-socialist!
Axel Van Kampen
> Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> ]
> ] "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> ] news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
> ]>
> ]> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> ]> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> ]> >
> ]> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> ]> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> ]> > >
> ]> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> ]> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> ]> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only
a
> ]> total
> ]> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> ]> > > >
> ]> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> ]> > > >
> ]> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> ] send
> ]> > your
> ]> > > kids to us.
> ]> >
> ]> > 1. Never had a riot here.
> ]>
> ]> Really? Have you ever had a war or three?
> ]
> ] Not in Australia. If we ever do, we have armed forces to defend the
country,
> ] not some amateur gun crazed militia crowd who is undisciplined.
>
> Where would that be? Besides your bigoted fantasies, that is...
Come on! Everyone knows that the US is full of gun crazed militias.
Aren't you people part of it?
>
> ] Have jackbooted thugs ever toted
> ]> away family, friends, or neighbors?
> ]
> ] Nope. I've never ever been robbed or kidnapped an dneither has my
family,
> ] friends or neighbors.
> ]
> ]
> ] Have soldiers raped your mother,
> ]> grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
> ]
> ] Nope. Never.
>
> Can't happen there, in other words?
Seems very unlikely.
>
> ] And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
> ] grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
> ] taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
>
> Gosh, I've never owned a gun and somehow don't share your views. Nice to
see
> you using the actions of one person to smear everyone else.
The mindset of gun crazed maniacs are pretty much the same wherever you go.
>
> ]> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
to
> ]> send
> ]> > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> ]>
> ]> I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
> ]
> ] "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from
all
> ] the other gun wankers?
>
> Or perhaps trying to get you to realize that very few people match your
> fantasies of what a gun owner must be like.
See my earlier response.
>
> ]> > No you wont.
> ]>
> ]> Oh we would,
> ]
> ] No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
crazed
> ] maniacs.
>
> Your paranoia and prejudice is noted. You have a lot of hate inside you.
No I don't. I just don't trust any of you amateurs with guns.
>
> ] being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> ]> to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
> ]
> ] Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
>
> No. Next fallacy.
>
> ] Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
country
> ] in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their
Infantry
> ] unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't
belong
> ] in the hands of private citizens.
>
> You fear what your neighbors might do if they had guns... because you
would
> do horrible things.
Nope. I do because of what all of you people are already doing with your
guns.
>
> ] You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
>
> Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must
come
> from your own little mind.
Yes he did. He thinks that by owning a gun makes him tougher, a bigger man.
It doesn't. It shows how gutless he is.
>
> ]> Whose obsessed?
> ]
> ] You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they
pry
> ] it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will
ever
> ] take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
> ] If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
>
> Not wanting people to own guns, calling them "gun wankers", getting all
> hyper about one of those evil "gun wankers" offering to protect those you
> care about. Sounds like an obsessive hatred.
Protect?
LOL
Would you trust your kids with some gun crazed maniac?
I don't need that kind of protection, I'd rather rely on the police thank
you very much.
>
> ] Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> ]> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
> ]
> ] Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
> ] freedom.
>
> ...as well as free speech = freedom, freedom of religion = freedom. Whilst
> you think restrictions on the public = freedom. Which doesn't really make
> sense.
So you don't even deny that you think that owning a gun equals freedom?
>
> ] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
>
> Civilised vs. domesticated.
Nope. Living in todays world (me, civilised) vs. born 100 years too late
(you, outlaw).
Or shoot anyone they like. Thats what usually happens.
>
> ] Most of those women have probably been abused for years. Why didn't they
> ] report the bastard straight away instead of waiting until they snap?
>
> Why not go browse some sites on abusive relationships.
Why not answer the question?
>
> ]> > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> ]> > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
> ]>
> ]> You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The
murderous
> ]> loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or
propane
> ]> gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions
of
> ] the
> ]> shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
> ]
> ] I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had "trained
them
> ] responsibly".
>
> Care to cite that?
Thats what was reported at the time in the papers. Long time ago. And on TV
here, on NBN Channel Nine in Sydney.
>
> ]> > If I had any, they wouldn't. They would live in a country that tries
to
> ]> > minimise private gun use and rid themselves of gun wankers.
> ]>
> ]> Wanking is not how you get a firearm to discharge.
> ]
> ] I use the term wank because you all seem so obsessed with your dear guns
> ] that I conclude that you probably take your guns to bed with you at
night.
>
> Because, after all, that's what YOU would do if you were one of those
awful
> gun owners...
>
> ] You all seem to love your guns sooooooooo much, so it seems like wanking
to
> ] me.
>
> Look up projection and then come back to us.
>
> ] Maybe it is best that
> ]> you stay away from firearms. You might hurt yourself.
> ]
> ] I was trained in the South African army to use guns so I think I could
> ] manage.
> ] But I stay away from guns anyway, I think I have already told you that.
Did
> ] you miss that part?
>
> That's your choice. Stop demanding others share your choice and stop
making
> up crap about those who do actually own firearms.
I'm not making up crap, that is what happens. Why else are you so deadset
obsessive about your toys? Its almost scary how someone is soooooooooo
protective of a lump of metal.
>
> ]> My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their
own
> ]> lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
> ]> adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't
> ] have
> ]> a gun dream.
> ]
> ] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use",
right?
>
> ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
LOL
You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
I would have thought that was obvious?
Axel Van Kampen
Yes he was. Don't blame me for that.
That
> explains a lot. But there was/is plenty of rioting and rape in South
> Africia, at that time and now.
Yes and guns are still legal.
Hint: ...........
>
> > >
> > > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
> to
> > > send
> > > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> > >
> > > I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
> >
> > "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from
all
> > the other gun wankers?
>
> No, I'm saying that nutball militia types as displayed by the
sensationalist
> media here and abroad are few and far between and in no way represent the
> average gun owner in this country.
Yeah right!
It's all a myth, right?
The poor old responsible gun owner being portrayed as the gun crazed militia
man with an arsenal in his cellar.
Do you think we believe everything you tell us?
>
> >
> > But I do
> > > know several families who have been involved in hunting and target
> > shooting
> > > for years. Two brothers of a friend are married to women who were on
> the
> > > Olympic shooting team. The friend once had to shoot an intruder who
> > boarded
> > > his ship while anchored in Hong Kong Harbor. The Brits were pissed.
> They
> > > never found the body.
> > > >
> > > > > We will protect them.
> > > >
> > > > No you wont.
> > >
> > > Oh we would,
> >
> > No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
> crazed
> > maniacs.
>
> Nor would I, but I repeat, I don't know any gun crazed maniacs.
What about all you people in this NG? I consider you all gun crazed maniacs
since you are so totally obsessed with keeping them. That sort of obsession
is a sickness and should be treated.
We, as a
> society, tend to seperate known maniacs from the rest of us and put them
in
> mental institutions and prisions.
>
> >
> > being a nation full of compassionate people who would be happy
> > > to protect children who had be neglected by a cowardly father.
> >
> > Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
> > Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
> country
> > in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their
Infantry
> > unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't
> belong
> > in the hands of private citizens.
> > You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
>
> So firearms only belong in the hands of an oppressive government and its
> toady army?
Most civilised countries has restrictive gun laws but just as much freedom
(or more in some cases) than the US.
The only thing that has changed in South Africa is the skin
> color of the oppressors.
Thats right and guns are still available. Crime is up.
There is a hint there.............
>
> > > >
> > > > > You stay the hell home.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed! I have a firstclass lifestyle here. I don't need any guns
> > either.
> > > >
> > > > You made your
> > > > > decision to become a victim/prey.
> > > >
> > > > Nope. I have made the decison to live in a country that is not as
> > obsessed
> > > > with guns as yours.
> > >
> > > Whose obsessed?
> >
> > You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they
> pry
> > it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will
> ever
> > take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
> > If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
>
> Actually that's free speech expressed by free people. Something your
little
> mind fails to grasp.
So you need a gun to exercise free speech? Dear god, I don't want to attend
any of your speeches then.
>
> >
> >
> > Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> > > of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
> >
> > Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
> > freedom.
> > I guess it's all in the upbringing.
>
> Wrong again, bucko. Free people have the choice of being armed. Slaves
> have no choice.
Nope. Incorrect!
Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with guns. Has NOTHING to do with it. I
have lived and worked in your country and we have more freedom here.
> >
> > >
> > > > The next time I read of a domestic dispute with a person killed by
> their
> > > own
> > > > gun I'll think of you.
> > >
> > > Doesn't happen all that often.
> >
> > Really? I tend to believe otherwise, it certainly gets published an
awful
> > lot. Are you saying that those claims are made up lies?
>
> More often than not. There's a saying in the "news" media, "If it bleeds,
> it leads."
Yeah, yeah, the old tired "newspaper conspirace theory again", blah,
blah............
Whatever. How much dod YOU know about Australia?
Do tell! I'd love to hear some of your "facts" about Australia.
Anyhow, moving on;
It doesn't matter where the little nutters were. It happened!
Why am I not surprised?
> Isolated incidents in a large country confused by a small mind. The 13
year
> old and the 11 year old broke into the home of one's grandfather to steal
> guns. They also stole an automobile. Do you want to blame "car wankers"
> while you're at it? The grandfather had attempted to teach
responsibility,
> but it obviously didn't take.
Perhaps it would have been better if dear old granddad hadn't had any guns
at all?
This is exactly why "responsible gun training of kids" is just an excuse to
pass on the gun craze culture to the next generation.
I was opposed to the gun culture in that country. It doesn't matter who has
them.
I could see what guns did there, why would I want that anywhere else?
>
> > > >
> > > > Now, about your kids, why should they have to live your gun dream?
> Have
> > > fun
> > > > playing cowboys and indians!
> > >
> > > My kids are all grown up. My son is 31, daughter 25. They live their
> own
> > > lives and they had only the necessary help to make it from infancy to
> > > adulthood. They didn't live my "gun dream", primarily because I don't
> > have
> > > a gun dream.
> >
> > Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use",
right?
> >
> Not really. I taught them to respect the danger of a firearm at an early
> age. A 9 mm bullet through a water filled milk jug when viewed by an 8
year
> old is pretty impressive.
LOL
You are obviously no different to any of the other gunmn maniacs.
Thanks for clearing that up.
"It's not a toy. It can destroy things or take a
> life." The lesson apparently took. As an adult now, he can make his own
> decision. His younger sister was sufficently frightened by the noise.
> Neither has a firearm in their homes. Since they are free people, they
have
> the right to make their choice.
You must be sooooooooooo disappointed that you didn't manage to pass on your
gun culture to the next generation. How else will they protect themselves?
(dripping with sarcasm)
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Only small men need guns to feel big.
> > > >
> > > Oooo, the oft misapplied theory of Dr. Freud. It's the hoplophobes
who
> > have
> > > feelings of sexual inadequacies.
> >
> >
> > What else is one to assume?
> >
> Ah, "assume" ... makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". In this particular
> case, tag, you're it.
And I was correct. You never denied it so thank you for confirming that.
Axel Van Kampen
"James R. Rogers" <NetA...@Net-Link.Net> wrote in message
news:3dc3b562$0$1452$bbae...@news.net-link.net...
> >Given the choice between relying on the police to protect me (with a
> >probable 10 minute response
> >time, or worse) or relying on any of my guns and my own skills (I can
> >get to one in ten seconds or
> >less), I know which one is more useful to me in the even of a burglary
> >to my occupied dwelling.
>
> Amen! I couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> The police can send a crime stopper at no more than 80mph, and that's
> quite unlikely (especially considering the current 3-for-1 special at
> Dunkin' Donuts). My AK can send a crime stopper at over 2,000 feet
> per second.
Congrats! Your gun makes you soooooooooo tough!!
I guess you use it to resolve neighborhood disputes as well?
Axel Van Kampen
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
news:xKPw9.60977$wG.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> total
> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > >
> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
send
> > your
> > > kids to us.
> >
> > 1. Never had a riot here.
>
> Pasded cells are like that.
"Pasded"?
Do elaborate!
>
> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be to
> send
> > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
>
> Good thing. You're too defective to allow you to breed. By "militia crowd"
> you mean the entire population of the USA, dipshit.
No I mean you, the gun crazed maniacs. There are plenty of people in the US
who would like to see guns banned.
Dipshit.
Of all the people in this NG, Morton is the easybeat. His arguments are so
simple to defeat.
Axel Van Kampen
"James R. Rogers" <NetA...@Net-Link.Net> wrote in message
> >Ladies and gentlemen,
> >
> >This is the response of a typical gun wanker. Do you associate yourself
with
> >this type of creature?
>
>
> Well, since he's right... Yes.
I thought you would say that so I have some news for you;
1. He is not right
2. His languiage skills portrays him as an uneducated boofhead. He probably
lives in a mountain hut and chews tobacco too.
3. Swearing and abuse makes him tough
4. He thinks a gun makes him tough. It doesn't, it makes him gutless
Axel Van Kampen
"The-Trainers" <trai...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:20021102023457...@shell.rawbw.com...
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Axel Van Kampen wrote:
>
> > What is so fucking responsible about that?
>
> Since guns do exist in the world and the only other image kids
> get of guns comes from "cool" criminals on TV and in movies,
> it would would irresponsible indeed NOT to teach all kids about
> responsible gun use.
Really? I guess thats why the rest of the world has lower crime rates then?
Or perhaps thats just a coincidence?
LOL
The level of idiocy in this NG never cease to amaze me.
Axel Van Kampen
"Gun Nut #43016" <CARat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5d27e235.02110...@posting.google.com...
Good. I'll take it that you will be walking from now on? It will get rid of
that fat gut of yours too.
Axel Van Kampen
"M. Eglestone" <sms...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3DC4189B...@bellsouth.net...
> > Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> >
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >
> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!
> -------------------------------
>
> Axel, please STAY in Australia my friend.
I will. The lifestyle here is so much better, more freedom, better climate,
better economy, less guns and crime.
Why wouldn't I?
Axel Van Kampen
"zach" <victorth...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:f7fbe28c.02110...@posting.google.com...
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:<wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>
> Why, are your kids irresponsible little monsters who don't respect
> you? I've had access to firearms since I was 12 (been driving, for
> that matter, from the same age).
Let me guess; You live in a mountain hut, chew tobacco and make moonshine
too right?
Typical fucking dumbass hillbillie yank!
Axel Van Kampen
Clue back again;
And you put your comment;
"You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know us and you do
not know our children. You only know how to run your mouth or your
keyboard. "
Straight after I said that you would never protect my kids. THATS what that
was about.
Do try to keep up!
>
>
> --
> Sleep well tonight.........
I always do. You probably wont though after I have confused you with more
than one sentence.
Axel Van Kampen
"Ogmios" <ogm...@counterbalance.org> wrote in message
news:odg8su8rmpm9ksvnt...@4ax.com...
> Greetings...
>
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:03 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>
> >What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> >fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> >
> >If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>
> God I really hope and pray that YOU Axel (Axel? hahahah) Truly believe
that.
You bet! Otherwise I wouldn't have said it.
>
> Being a responsible parent, I want the best possible situation available
to my children
> when they become adults. Including the widest possible array of choices.
That includes
> firearms training now when they are children so when they ARE adults,
Typical redneck mountain man dumbass!
"I taught my kids responsible gun use, blah, blah, blah"
they will be able
> to either protect your dumbass kids
No they won't. Not on your nellie!!
I would never send my kids in to the hands of some dumbass undisciplined gun
crazed maniacs like you.
You are the very people I'd wanna keep them away from.
who are too ignorant to protect themselves, or enslave
> them if they so choose, since it seems that You have taught yours how to
be little other
> than frightened slaves.
>
> Kill or be killed, my children can kill.
Yes, you must be so proud. That is probably the only skill they will ever
have. When will they get to live in the 21st century?
> Eat or be eaten, My children will eat.
Each other? Do you live in a cave?
My
> children are qualified to be the strong, the fittest to survive,
Perhaps we'll get to seem grunting on WWF? Start schoolyard fights? Pick on
little kids to show how tough your kids are?
The victors, are yours?
You bet! A Uni degree already. I bet he earnss a lot more than your
neanderthals ever will.
Do us all a favor and put them in the zoo where they belong with all the
other apes.
> Whether it's in a capitalistic non-violent business world Utopia, or a
harsh
> post-apocalyptic wasteland, or anything in between, my children are
qualified to win and
> succeed and be happy. Not victims like yours. My children are prepared
to be the
> solution to problems,
I am starting to think that this post is a troll. No one can be this stupid.
If you are for real, your kids are THE PROBLEM and will probably be dealt
with by the authorities the first time they try and resolve a dispute.
not a part of the problem like your dumbass progeny.... When it
> comes to qualifications, AXEL, My children will be commanding or killing
YOUR children...
Nope. Not likely. My kid is already a team leader. What about yours? Are
they walking on two legs yet? Are they past the grunting stage?Have you
taught them how to attack little old ladies?
> My Children will be the employers, your dumbass kids will be the
employees...
Not likely. Quite the opposite. To be somebody, you need brains, not brawn.
Is this person for real? Are there really people this thick ot there
breathing? How does he get through daily life? Who would employ a
neanderthal like this one? Would you pay this 'person' even a dollar a day?
Scout
>
> "no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnas70ru....@fnord.io.com...
> right?
> >
> > ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
>
> LOL
> You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
> use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
> I would have thought that was obvious?
> come to mind just after sending your article.|
I see, so all those people who safely use their guns everyday are acting
irresponsibly?
Not just a troll, but a stupid one.
Angelica22l...@hotmail.com
Kent Finnell
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:1NNw9.693$y4....@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Rodney King Riots", circa 1992. Korean merchants took to the rooftops
of
> > their stores with rifles and handguns to protect their property,
> > neighborhoods, and lives. A friend of mine here in Nashville who is
> married
> > to a Korean woman said, "I've never been prouder of my in-laws." I
don't
> > believe they were responsible for any deaths that occurred during that
> > particular display of human stupidity.
>
> I was asking for PROOF!! Not just your hearsay!
I don't lie, Axel. I don't need to.
>
> Got any weblinks so I can verify your fantasies?
>
It's a good thing I'm not easily offended. No fantasies, just fact.
Ordinarily I'd do it for you, but you're such an arrogant SOB, look them up
yourself. It's real easy. Unless it's beyond your talents, in which case I
guess you're SOL.
--
Kent Finnell
From the Music City, USA
I am the NRA and I vote.
Vote Freedom First!
Kent Finnell
> >
> > Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must
> come
> > from your own little mind.
>
> Yes he did. He thinks that by owning a gun makes him tougher, a bigger
man.
> It doesn't. It shows how gutless he is.
Damn, I despise a liar! Where, Axel, did I express such a thought?
Gutless? Sometimes foolishly brave, but hardly gutless. Faced down a man
20 years my junior and 8 inches taller. I was not armed. I out bluffed
him.
I don't own a gun, by choice and financial circumstance. I do, however,
strongly support the right of free people to keep and bear arms. It is the
pentultimate human right.
.
>
> Protect?
> LOL
> Would you trust your kids with some gun crazed maniac?
> I don't need that kind of protection, I'd rather rely on the police thank
> you very much.
On a good day, the police might reach you 10 minutes after the 911 call.
You could be assuming room temprature and your assaliant 7 miles away before
the cops get there. But don't worry, they'll remove the yellow tape and the
chaulk marks in a few days.
>
> >
> > ] Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> > ]> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
> > ]
> > ] Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
> > ] freedom.
> >
> > ...as well as free speech = freedom, freedom of religion = freedom.
Whilst
> > you think restrictions on the public = freedom. Which doesn't really
make
> > sense.
>
> So you don't even deny that you think that owning a gun equals freedom?
>
Part of the equasion, a necessary part.
> >
> > ] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
> >
> > Civilised vs. domesticated.
>
> Nope. Living in todays world (me, civilised) vs. born 100 years too late
> (you, outlaw).
Outlaw? Only in your bigoted, tiny, narrow little world.
>>
> >
> > ]> > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> > ]> > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
> > ]>
> > ]> You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The
> murderous
> > ]> loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or
> propane
> > ]> gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off portions
> of
> > ] the
> > ]> shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
> > ]
> > ] I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had
"trained
> them
> > ] responsibly".
> >
> > Care to cite that?
>
> Thats what was reported at the time in the papers. Long time ago. And on
TV
> here, on NBN Channel Nine in Sydney.
>
How do we know that's one of your fantasies? How do we know that NBN
Channel 9 didn't screw the pooch when the reader looked at the script?
> > ] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use",
> right?
> >
> > ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
>
> LOL
> You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
> use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
Define speeding. Define safe.
Speeding is always illegal. It may sometimes be unwise and then unsafe.
But speeding can be safe. Just some more of your obsession to control the
actions and thoughts of others.
> I would have thought that was obvious?
> come to mind just after sending your article.|
I guess there's no such thing as safe sex either. Must be the reason that
you don't have children.
Chris Johnson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
I really don't think you'll EVER "get it". Though it's really quite
simple, it'a apparently
beyond your reasoning ability.
But here it is again, in the short form:
You find yourself confronted with a criminal that is armed and/or is
showing intent
to do you or your family great bodily harm. It's quite possible and
may even be
certain that he doesn't want any witnesses, either. You're in a tough
spot...but you
can quite possibly get to your gun before he does...and it's your best
option. The
other is to be completely at the mercy of this shitbag.
Gee, tough choice. Take a chance at WINNING, or accept LOSING, posssibly
losing your LIFE. Sure, there is a chance you may be killed by the
intruder,
but wouldn't you rather do what you can to ensure that YOU are the one that
walks out alive? I sure would.
Speaking for myself only, my gunnery skills are good enough that I'd go
for my
gun and take my chances. I know damned well that I'm better trained
with a gun
than at least 99 out of 100 criminals.
I won't scream, cry, and beg for my life at the mercy of some shitbag
who thinks
that he's entitled to steal my stuff. If he breaks into my house
while I'm there
and he's armed, he's not going to leave the house on his feet unless he
wins
a gun fight, which probably won't happen.
You may grovel at the feet of a burglar if you choose to. And when he
blows
your head off anyway to eliminate you as a witness (or cuts out your
tongue,
stabs both of your eyes out, and saws off both arms and both legs) and I
read
about it, I'll just have to shake my head and wonder why you were such
a fucking
coward, that you wouldn't even take up arms to defend your own life or
the lives
of your family.
Your Australian government states clearly that you Australian citizens
do NOT
have the right to self defense. I wonder if your parliament would
continue to
adopt that INSANE piece of bullshit as constitutional policy if they
were all
systematically beaten into the hospital by the bare fists of an angry mob?
Would YOU continue to follow this anti-self-protection bullshit if it
happened
to YOU, too?
A government that doesn't think I have the right to defend myself by ANY
means
necessary is a government that is absolutely, totally, and completely
USELESS,
as government is not meant to rule over the people, but to provide
certain services
for them, services that the individual people can't be expected to
provide for
themselves. Government should be our administrator, not our jail
keeper.
CJ
Kent Finnell
>
> "Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
> news:xKPw9.60977$wG.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > >
> > > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
> > total
> > > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > > >
> > > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> send
> > > your
> > > > kids to us.
> > >
> > > 1. Never had a riot here.
> >
> > Pasded cells are like that.
>
> "Pasded"?
Apparent typo, "Padded"
>
> Do elaborate!
>
>
> >
> > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
to
> > send
> > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> >
> > Good thing. You're too defective to allow you to breed. By "militia
crowd"
> > you mean the entire population of the USA, dipshit.
>
>
> No I mean you, the gun crazed maniacs. There are plenty of people in the
US
> who would like to see guns banned.
All it would take is a constitional amendment. No easy task. In those
states where strict gun controls have been put on the ballot, they have been
soundly defeated, to the tune of 60% to 40%, sometimes as great as 72% to
28%. You need to ratched back "plenty" to "a few" or even "a very few".
In 1986, when sensible concealed carry laws were passed, complete with the
strum and drang from hysterics like you, there were fewer than 10 states
with similar "shall issue" laws. Now there are 33, all passed over the
objection of the usual suspects, control freaks like yourself.
Axel Van Kampen
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:5iYw9.67913$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:1NNw9.693$y4....@news.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > You've never heard of it, so it couldn't have happened, right? Try
the
> > > "Rodney King Riots", circa 1992. Korean merchants took to the
rooftops
> of
> > > their stores with rifles and handguns to protect their property,
> > > neighborhoods, and lives. A friend of mine here in Nashville who is
> > married
> > > to a Korean woman said, "I've never been prouder of my in-laws." I
> don't
> > > believe they were responsible for any deaths that occurred during that
> > > particular display of human stupidity.
> >
> > I was asking for PROOF!! Not just your hearsay!
>
> I don't lie, Axel. I don't need to.
And I should just believe you then?
I don't think so.........
Unless you can produce proof of your statement it can only be dismissed as a
lie.
Now, put up or shut up!
>
> >
> > Got any weblinks so I can verify your fantasies?
> >
> It's a good thing I'm not easily offended.
And why is that a good thing? Do tell, I'd LOVE to know.
> No fantasies, just fact.
Facts are always evident. Where is your evidence?
Don't have any..........?
I didn't think so.................
> Ordinarily I'd do it for you, but you're such an arrogant SOB, look them
up
> yourself.
Nope. I'm not gonna do your researh for you. Its your statement so YOU have
to prove it, not me.
It's real easy. Unless it's beyond your talents, in which case I
> guess you're SOL.
I don't care. Its not up to me to prove your statement. Now put up the
evidence here;
............................................................................
............................................................................
........
Or shut.
Fucking lying yanks!
Axel Van Kampen
"Scout" <sco...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:03_w9.3532$7n.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Bravo! You finally got it! Even if it took a while.
Cole Firearms Inc.
Militia's don't play with guns, they help secure Freedoms for the
individuals against an oppressive government, whether that government be
external or internal.
Members of Militia's are concerned with safety as well as the reasons
the Militia's exist at all. They are an excellent way for children to
learn safety. It's a wholesome environment filled with Pro Gun people.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Axel Van Kampen
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:WFYw9.67921$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
> > > ] You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big
indeed.
> > >
> > > Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must
> > come
> > > from your own little mind.
> >
> > Yes he did. He thinks that by owning a gun makes him tougher, a bigger
> man.
> > It doesn't. It shows how gutless he is.
>
> Damn, I despise a liar! Where, Axel, did I express such a thought?
> Gutless? Sometimes foolishly brave, but hardly gutless.
Yes. Gutless. You don't have the guts to live without a gun and you think it
makes you big and tough.
Guess what? Bravery has NOTHING to do with guns.
Faced down a man
> 20 years my junior and 8 inches taller. I was not armed. I out bluffed
> him.
yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.................
>
> I don't own a gun, by choice and financial circumstance. I do, however,
> strongly support the right of free people to keep and bear arms. It is
the
> pentultimate human right.
>
> .
> >
> > Protect?
> > LOL
> > Would you trust your kids with some gun crazed maniac?
> > I don't need that kind of protection, I'd rather rely on the police
thank
> > you very much.
>
> On a good day, the police might reach you 10 minutes after the 911 call.
> You could be assuming room temprature and your assaliant 7 miles away
before
> the cops get there. But don't worry, they'll remove the yellow tape and
the
> chaulk marks in a few days.
Guess what? I'm not the least bit worried.
I have enough confidence in myself WITHOUT a gun.
>
> >
> > >
> > > ] Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
> > > ]> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
> > > ]
> > > ] Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
> > > ] freedom.
> > >
> > > ...as well as free speech = freedom, freedom of religion = freedom.
> Whilst
> > > you think restrictions on the public = freedom. Which doesn't really
> make
> > > sense.
> >
> > So you don't even deny that you think that owning a gun equals freedom?
> >
>
> Part of the equasion, a necessary part.
Nope. Incorrect. In fact, we have more personal freedom here in Australia
than you have in the US so how do you explain that?
Chew on that..........
This will be interesting.........
>
> > >
> > > ] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
> > >
> > > Civilised vs. domesticated.
> >
> > Nope. Living in todays world (me, civilised) vs. born 100 years too late
> > (you, outlaw).
>
> Outlaw? Only in your bigoted, tiny, narrow little world.
I could add redneck, hillbillie and loser as well but I think you get the
drift.
>
> >>
> > >
> > > ]> > Or perhaps the Columbine shootings where the
> > > ]> > murderous kids were "trained in responsible gun use".
> > > ]>
> > > ]> You obviously missed most of the aftermath of that tragedy. The
> > murderous
> > > ]> loons were NOT trained in responsible use of automobiles, guns, or
> > propane
> > > ]> gas tanks. One of the little bastards had left the sawn off
portions
> > of
> > > ] the
> > > ]> shotgun barrels in his bedroom. The parents didn't notice!
> > > ]
> > > ] I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had
> "trained
> > them
> > > ] responsibly".
> > >
> > > Care to cite that?
> >
> > Thats what was reported at the time in the papers. Long time ago. And on
> TV
> > here, on NBN Channel Nine in Sydney.
> >
> How do we know that's one of your fantasies? How do we know that NBN
> Channel 9 didn't screw the pooch when the reader looked at the script?
You don't. I'm just telling how it was. You don't have to believe it if you
chose to be ignorant.
>
> > > ] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use",
> > right?
> > >
> > > ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
> >
> > LOL
> > You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
> > use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
>
> Define speeding. Define safe.
Speeding - going faster than you can control the vehicle.
Safe - without risk to anyone
>
> Speeding is always illegal. It may sometimes be unwise and then unsafe.
> But speeding can be safe.
Nope. See above definition.
Just some more of your obsession to control the
> actions and thoughts of others.
LOL
>
> > I would have thought that was obvious?
> > come to mind just after sending your article.|
>
> I guess there's no such thing as safe sex either.
Don't know. I'm not an expert on safe sex.
Axel Van Kampen
>
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:20Zw9.67932$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >
> > "Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
> > news:xKPw9.60977$wG.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> > >
> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > > > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only
a
> > > total
> > > > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
> > send
> > > > your
> > > > > kids to us.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Never had a riot here.
> > >
> > > Pasded cells are like that.
> >
> > "Pasded"?
>
> Apparent typo, "Padded"
I know that. It's just fun playing with Mort. He takes it sooooooooooo
personal and get sooooooooooooooo angry and I like winding him up. Its great
value.
>
> >
> > Do elaborate!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would be
> to
> > > send
> > > > them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with guns.
> > >
> > > Good thing. You're too defective to allow you to breed. By "militia
> crowd"
> > > you mean the entire population of the USA, dipshit.
> >
> >
> > No I mean you, the gun crazed maniacs. There are plenty of people in the
> US
> > who would like to see guns banned.
>
> All it would take is a constitional amendment. No easy task. In those
> states where strict gun controls have been put on the ballot, they have
been
> soundly defeated, to the tune of 60% to 40%, sometimes as great as 72% to
> 28%. You need to ratched back "plenty" to "a few" or even "a very few".
Yeah, yeah, give it time...........a few more Columbines and John Mohammeds
and we'll see...........
Axel Van Kampen
"Cole Firearms Inc." <colefi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3DC4B561...@attbi.com...
WOW! We have a real live one here folks! A real pro-militia jerk!
We know about you fucking losers.
>
> Members of Militia's are concerned with safety as well as the reasons
> the Militia's exist at all. They are an excellent way for children to
> learn safety. It's a wholesome environment filled with Pro Gun people.
Yeah, yeah, blah, blah. Seem any black helicopters lately? Watch out for the
government, you know they're out to get you, you know?
Fucking dumbass yanks!
no one of consequence
]
] "no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
] news:slrnas706h....@fnord.io.com...
]
]> So you only count killings as a successful self-defense?
]
] If you follow the thread back, they were arguing about people *killed* in
] domestic disputes.
Yes, and stopping yourself from being killed doesn't require you to kill
the person trying to kill you.
] I didn't count non-fatal self defence by women, just as I didn't count
] non-fatal attacks against women.
Since most self-defenses are non-fatal, not counting them would make it seem
that many women don't stop their spouses from murdering them.
Please, try to be a little more honest in your reasons for omitting
self-defenses.
--
|Patrick Chester wol...@io.com |
|"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" |
|Wittier remarks always come to mind just after sending your article.|
no one of consequence
]
] "Bert Hyman" <be...@visi.com> wrote in message
] news:Xns92BA73D4733...@209.98.13.60...
]> In news:7HJw9.153$PC4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca "Bill Bradley"
]> <wgb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
]>
]> > During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
]> > spouses/partners in self defence.
]>
]> The only good outcome of such an encounter is death of the abuser?
]
] No, but I was trying to be balanced because I also *only* mentioned the
] incidents where women were *murdered*. I didn't count all the women who were
] shot but not killed by their spouses, nor did I count all the incidents
] where women were simply terrorised by spouses with a gun. I was only dealing
] with incidents where people were killed, on both sides of the issue.
That isn't how you measure self defense, anymore than you rate police
success rates in homicide cases by the amount of suspects they kill.
Morton Davis
hard for Axel to get a referendum going. Foreign citizens are barred from
interferring in USA elections.
-*-MORT*-
no one of consequence
]> ]
]> ] "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
]> ] news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
]> ]>
]> ]> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
]> ]> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> ]> >
]> ]> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
]> ]> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
]> ]> > >
]> ]> > > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
]> ]> > > news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> ]> > > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only
] a
]> ]> total
]> ]> > > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
]> ]> > > >
]> ]> > > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
]> ]> > > >
]> ]> > > You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free to
]> ] send
]> ]> > your
]> ]> > > kids to us.
]> ]> >
]> ]> > 1. Never had a riot here.
]> ]> Really? Have you ever had a war or three?
]> ]
]> ] Not in Australia. If we ever do, we have armed forces to defend the
] country,
]> ] not some amateur gun crazed militia crowd who is undisciplined.
]> Where would that be? Besides your bigoted fantasies, that is...
]
] Come on! Everyone knows that the US is full of gun crazed militias.
Everyone? That's an odd way to describe yourself.
] Aren't you people part of it?
A gun-crazed militia? No. Were you referring to the law that lists the
members of the unorganized militia? That isn't what you describe. Sorry.
]> ] Have soldiers raped your mother,
]> ]> grandmother, sister, niece, cousin ... ever?
]> ]
]> ] Nope. Never.
]>
]> Can't happen there, in other words?
]
] Seems very unlikely.
*sigh*
]> ] And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
]> ] grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
]> ] taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
]>
]> Gosh, I've never owned a gun and somehow don't share your views. Nice to
] see
]> you using the actions of one person to smear everyone else.
]
] The mindset of gun crazed maniacs are pretty much the same wherever you go.
Do you truly believe that, or are you just going for troll points?
]> ]> I don't know any of that sort. They tend to stay to themselves.
]> ]
]> ] "They"? Are you trying to tell me that you are somewhat different from
] all
]> ] the other gun wankers?
]>
]> Or perhaps trying to get you to realize that very few people match your
]> fantasies of what a gun owner must be like.
]
] See my earlier response.
Repeating your lie doesn't make it true.
]> ] No you wouldn't. I simply wouldn't let my kids anywhere near some gun
] crazed
]> ] maniacs.
]>
]> Your paranoia and prejudice is noted. You have a lot of hate inside you.
]
] No I don't. I just don't trust any of you amateurs with guns.
Yep. Paranoia.
Gun safety isn't a college-level course.
]> ] Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
] country
]> ] in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in their
] Infantry
]> ] unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think that they don't
] belong
]> ] in the hands of private citizens.
]>
]> You fear what your neighbors might do if they had guns... because you
] would
]> do horrible things.
]
] Nope. I do because of what all of you people are already doing with your
] guns.
In other words, like a typical bigot you blame the actions of a few upon the
many.
]> ] You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
]>
]> Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must
] come
]> from your own little mind.
]
] Yes he did. He thinks that by owning a gun makes him tougher, a bigger man.
] It doesn't. It shows how gutless he is.
...except he never said that. You did. You revealed why *you* would own a
gun.
]> ]> Whose obsessed?
]> ]
]> ] You all are. You all tell me stuff like "they can have my gun when they
] pry
]> ] it from my cold dead fingers", "it's in the constitution", "no one will
] ever
]> ] take my gun away from me", etc, etc.
]> ] If that's not obsession, I don't know what is.
]>
]> Not wanting people to own guns, calling them "gun wankers", getting all
]> hyper about one of those evil "gun wankers" offering to protect those you
]> care about. Sounds like an obsessive hatred.
]
] Protect?
] LOL
] Would you trust your kids with some gun crazed maniac?
Just because you label gun-owners as 'gun crazed maniac' and such doesn't
mean they are.
] I don't need that kind of protection, I'd rather rely on the police thank
] you very much.
Then, unless you're lucky to be on the right side of whatever cordon they
setup, you are going to be in trouble.
]> ] Not I nor most of the people I know. I just left a rally
]> ]> of gun owners who are obsessed with only one thing, freedom.
]> ]
]> ] Yes. Of course. Most of you all have this twisted idead that guns =
]> ] freedom.
]>
]> ...as well as free speech = freedom, freedom of religion = freedom. Whilst
]> you think restrictions on the public = freedom. Which doesn't really make
]> sense.
]
] So you don't even deny that you think that owning a gun equals freedom?
Among other things, yes. It is a freedom.
]> ] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
]>
]> Civilised vs. domesticated.
]
] Nope. Living in todays world (me, civilised) vs. born 100 years too late
] (you, outlaw).
Actually, your bigotry isn't very different from the ones prevalent
centuries ago. Just a different target.
Being civilised means you are capable of restraining yourself from
committing mayhem despite having the means to do so. Domesticated types are
restricted by others in case they commit mayhem.
]> ] Absolutely!! Could not agree more. But no one should take the law in to
]> ] their own hands.
]>
]> When the law is there, they can take it in their own hands. Otherwise, it
] is
]> up to the victims to defend themselves.
]
] Or shoot anyone they like. Thats what usually happens.
Or that's what you would do if you had the chance?
]> ] Most of those women have probably been abused for years. Why didn't they
]> ] report the bastard straight away instead of waiting until they snap?
]>
]> Why not go browse some sites on abusive relationships.
]
] Why not answer the question?
That was the answer. Abusive relationships are not an easy subject. Go do
some reading. Oh wait, you prefer to live with your prejudices. Silly me,
making that suggestion.
]> ] I read that the guns belonged the the dear grandfather who had "trained
] them
]> ] responsibly".
]>
]> Care to cite that?
]
] Thats what was reported at the time in the papers. Long time ago. And on TV
] here, on NBN Channel Nine in Sydney.
For Columbine? Not a chance.
]> ] I was trained in the South African army to use guns so I think I could
]> ] manage.
]> ] But I stay away from guns anyway, I think I have already told you that.
] Did
]> ] you miss that part?
]>
]> That's your choice. Stop demanding others share your choice and stop
] making
]> up crap about those who do actually own firearms.
]
] I'm not making up crap, that is what happens. Why else are you so deadset
] obsessive about your toys?
Projection.
] Its almost scary how someone is soooooooooo
] protective of a lump of metal.
Actually, as I said in the article you are replying to, I am not a gun
owner.
]> ] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun use",
] right?
]>
]> ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
]
] LOL
] You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
] use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
] I would have thought that was obvious?
Not to the sane. Of course, you could be sane and just trolling, which
only makes you an ass instead of a very disturbed little man.
no one of consequence
]
] "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Is he a troll, or are you declaring that because it's too frightening to
consider Alex might actually believe what he spews?
I'll be relieved if he does turn out to be a troll. That would just make him
an immature idiot vying for attention instead of a mentally disturbed
person.
--
|Patrick Chester wol...@io.com |
|"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" |
|Wittier remarks always come to mind just after sending your article.|
no one of consequence
]
] "Scout" <sco...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Yep, he's insane. Or trolling.
--
|Patrick Chester wol...@io.com |
|"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?" |
|Wittier remarks always come to mind just after sending your article.|
no one of consequence
]
] "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
] news:M30x9.3589$eM3....@news.bellsouth.net...
]>
]> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
]> news:WFYw9.67921$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> >
]> > "no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
]> > > ] You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big
] indeed.
]> > >
]> > > Ah, projection. Nothing Kent said "proved" your contention, so it must
]> > come
]> > > from your own little mind.
]> >
]> > Yes he did. He thinks that by owning a gun makes him tougher, a bigger
]> man.
]> > It doesn't. It shows how gutless he is.
]>
]> Damn, I despise a liar! Where, Axel, did I express such a thought?
]> Gutless? Sometimes foolishly brave, but hardly gutless.
]
] Yes. Gutless. You don't have the guts to live without a gun and you think it
] makes you big and tough.
Finnel just stated he doesn't own a gun. Try again.
] Guess what? Bravery has NOTHING to do with guns.
That was never claimed. Except by you claiming those you hate thought so.
] Faced down a man
]> 20 years my junior and 8 inches taller. I was not armed. I out bluffed
]> him.
]
] yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.................
In other words, your claim he didn't have the guts to live without a gun is
proven wrong. But you are too bigoted to consider such a threat to
your worldview.
]> I don't own a gun, by choice and financial circumstance. I do, however,
]> strongly support the right of free people to keep and bear arms. It is
] the
]> pentultimate human right.
]> On a good day, the police might reach you 10 minutes after the 911 call.
]> You could be assuming room temprature and your assaliant 7 miles away
] before
]> the cops get there. But don't worry, they'll remove the yellow tape and
] the
]> chaulk marks in a few days.
]
] Guess what? I'm not the least bit worried.
] I have enough confidence in myself WITHOUT a gun.
But only if you disarm everyone around you.
]> > So you don't even deny that you think that owning a gun equals freedom?
]> >
]>
]> Part of the equasion, a necessary part.
]
] Nope. Incorrect. In fact, we have more personal freedom here in Australia
] than you have in the US so how do you explain that?
Blatant assertion, probably followed by a bunch of privileges you'll declare
as a freedom.
] Chew on that..........
] This will be interesting.........
Chew on what?
]> > > ] I guess it's all in the upbringing.
]> > >
]> > > Civilised vs. domesticated.
]> >
]> > Nope. Living in todays world (me, civilised) vs. born 100 years too late
]> > (you, outlaw).
]>
]> Outlaw? Only in your bigoted, tiny, narrow little world.
]
] I could add redneck, hillbillie and loser as well but I think you get the
] drift.
Your bigotry is already well-established. You are only being responded to to
show how hate-filled those who fear others owning firearms can get.
]> > > Care to cite that?
]> >
]> > Thats what was reported at the time in the papers. Long time ago. And on
]> TV
]> > here, on NBN Channel Nine in Sydney.
]> >
]> How do we know that's one of your fantasies? How do we know that NBN
]> Channel 9 didn't screw the pooch when the reader looked at the script?
]
] You don't. I'm just telling how it was. You don't have to believe it if you
] chose to be ignorant.
Actually, one might want to do some research rather than relying on the TV
news stations.
]> > LOL
]> > You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible gun
]> > use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
]>
]> Define speeding. Define safe.
]
] Speeding - going faster than you can control the vehicle.
Oh, different than the legal definition of speeding. You know, faster than
the numbers on the roadsigns labeled "Speed Limit" or similar?
] Safe - without risk to anyone
Then almost no driving is safe.
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|Patrick Chester wol...@io.com |
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no one of consequence
]
] "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
] news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
]> What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
]> fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
]>
]> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
]
]
] Reason - Too clearly nothing but troll bait
...of course, it's possible that he actually believes what he spouts. Which
moves him from annoying git to rather frightening.
Gray Ghost
>
> And guess what? I've personally never owned a gun either (although my
> grandfather when we lived in South Africa had plenty and his behaviour
> taught me why private citizens should never have guns).
Have you ever considered the likelyhood that given the vagaries of genetics
that his unbalanced state skipped a generation?
> Do you honestly believe that bravery comes from a gun?
> Let me tell you; I grew up with what was probably THE most gun happy
> country in the world, the Republic of South Africa and I served in
> their Infantry unit the SAA so I am not scraed of guns. I just think
> that they don't belong in the hands of private citizens.
> You are the living proof that small men need guns to feel big indeed.
So I suppose all those white SA who are being murdered by the blacks now
should just wait until the police show up when they are being attacked. To
tag the body and mop up the blood.
> I use the term wank because you all seem so obsessed with your dear
> guns that I conclude that you probably take your guns to bed with you
> at night. You all seem to love your guns sooooooooo much, so it seems
> like wanking to me.
See paragraph 1 above. Noone I jnow goes to bed with his guns. We sometimes
place a handgun in a nightstand nearby but that's about the limit. I think
that in making such a suppossition you are quite filled with hate and
bigotry, most unbecoming. Frankly I don't hate you, though I can't say I
like you. You live your life, let me live mine. Of course if you won't
follow that stricture than maybe something bad will happen to you. But
since you live a long way away and can have no influence on the politics of
America I kingly suggest you piss off and go feed yourself to one of your
famous Autralian crocodiles because frankly O don't really give a damn what
some screaming bigoted ass who comes to my country and enjoys it's
amenities and then has the bad taste to so criticize it's ways when it is
so much superior to any other rathole in the world, has to say.
--
Frank
A "natural right"? Where do those come from?
- Catl Nisarel, 10/17/02 who claims to be an American citizen,
demonstrating exactly how much he understands about the United
States, it's founding documents and principles and the people
who risked everything to create it.
Kent Finnell
here's a link.
Since this happened in 1992, much is not on the internet but it didn't take
much effort to find this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134444531_lariots28m.html
The above was written for the 10th anniversary about a Korean merchant who
moved his business to Washington state after the riot.
Kent Finnell
> Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> ]
> ] "Scout" <sco...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> ] news:03_w9.3532$7n.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> ]>
> ]> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> ]> news:WFYw9.67921$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> ]> >
> ]> > "no one of consequence" <wol...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
> ]> > news:slrnas70ru....@fnord.io.com...
> ]> > > ] Really? Let me guess though; you taught them "responsible gun
use",
> ]> > right?
> ]> > >
> ]> > > ...and there is a problem with Mr. Finnell doing that?
> ]> >
> ]> > LOL
> ]> > You totally missed the point. There is no such thing as "responsible
gun
> ]> > use". Just like there is no safe speeding.
> ]> > I would have thought that was obvious?
> ]> > come to mind just after sending your article.|
> ]>
> ]> I see, so all those people who safely use their guns everyday are
acting
> ]> irresponsibly?
> ]
> ] Bravo! You finally got it! Even if it took a while.
>
> Yep, he's insane. Or trolling.
>
the Klan of his duty in the South African Army. I wonder if he's plotting
against the abos in Australia as we speak.
Charles Samardza
Think about this, if every state that has passed CCW was able to vote for an
amendment to make it part of the Constitutin, it would be.
Phil Smythe
> Yup. 13 States since 1994 have passed CCW. More to come. It's be especially
> hard for Axel to get a referendum going. Foreign citizens are barred from
> interferring in USA elections.
>
> -*-MORT*-
That US election system really is rather restrictive isn't it. Not only are
"Foreign citizens are barred from
interferring in USA elections", not all US citizens can stand for President.
That is tough.
Kent Finnell
>
> "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:s%0x9.4154$eM3...@news.bellsouth.net...
> >
the
> > US
> > > who would like to see guns banned.
> >
> > All it would take is a constitional amendment. No easy task. In those
> > states where strict gun controls have been put on the ballot, they have
> been
> > soundly defeated, to the tune of 60% to 40%, sometimes as great as 72%
to
> > 28%. You need to ratched back "plenty" to "a few" or even "a very few".
>
> Yeah, yeah, give it time...........a few more Columbines and John
Mohammeds
> and we'll see...........
>
ballot initiatives in California went down flames, "Well, we didn't have a
major incident to emphasis our point." (Paraphrase)
Yup, old Axel wants to dance in blood to get his way.
Kent Finnell
"Phil Smythe" <smy...@upnaway.com> wrote in message
news:3DC52D9F...@upnaway.com...
providing that they're not convicted felons. What's so tough about that?
And why should foreign citizens be allowed to interfere in US elections?
Phil Smythe
> "Phil Smythe" <smy...@upnaway.com> wrote in message
> news:3DC52D9F...@upnaway.com...
> > Morton Davis wrote:
> >
> > > Yup. 13 States since 1994 have passed CCW. More to come. It's be
> especially
> > > hard for Axel to get a referendum going. Foreign citizens are barred
> from
> > > interferring in USA elections.
> > >
> > > -*-MORT*-
> >
> > That US election system really is rather restrictive isn't it. Not only
> are
> > "Foreign citizens are barred from
> > interferring in USA elections", not all US citizens can stand for
> President.
> > That is tough.
> >
> All natural born citizens over the age of 35 can stand for president,
> providing that they're not convicted felons. What's so tough about that?
> And why should foreign citizens be allowed to interfere in US elections?
>
I never suggested foreign citizens be allowed to interfere in US elections. I
don't think anyone has suggested that.
But I do think it's tough that if someone comes to the US aged 1 month,
spends the next 35 years or more living in the US, voting, possibly serving
in the military to defend the US, maybe even becoming a member of parliament
and acting in senior national cabinet positions they are not eligible to
stand for President. Don't you?
Bill Bradley
> That isn't how you measure self defense, anymore than you rate police
> success rates in homicide cases by the amount of suspects they kill.
I wasn't "measuring self defence". The argument was about how many people
were *killed* by guns in domestic abuse situations. I didn't measure
incidents of self defence the same way I didn't measure the price of donuts,
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.
David Voth
was kind enough to write:
>"David Voth" <davi...@catholic.org> wrote in message
>news:2lp7suchhvnnfbvek...@4ax.com...
>
>> >"Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >news:8qFw9.1323$_u....@news.bellsouth.net...
>> >
>> >> Doesn't happen all that often. Women who are killed or injured in a
>> >> domestic dispute are more often beaten or stabbed than shot.
>> >
>> >In 1998, 808 U.S. women were shot and killed by their husbands or
>> >boyfriends. This represented about two thirds of spousal murders. 410 of
>> >these gun murders happened during an argument....
>
>> >During the same year, approximately 9 women shot and killed their
>> >spouses/partners in self defence.
>
>DV: > Do you understand that successful defensive use of a gun does not
>> necessarily result in a fatal shooting?
>
>Yes, but I just threw out a couple of facts for your digestion (apparently
>they caused indigestion). Funny how I am challenged for stating true facts,
The apples-to-oranges comparison you have chosen to present here
contains verifiable information, but it's still an empty appeal to
emotion and not an honest discussion of either crime or of defensive
gun use.
>yet none of you stood up to challenge Mr. Finnell's bunk. At least, two or
>three a day doesn't amount to "[not] all that often" in my book. Do I sense
>an agenda here?
Your subjective interpretation of the numbers does not agree with his.
So what?
--
"People who support the assault-weapons ban do so largely because
they've been led to believe that the banned weapons fire full-auto
like the ones shown during the TV news voiceovers on the subject."
- John Payson
Kent Finnell
Parliment? You're not from around these parts, are you, boy? (grin)
> and acting in senior national cabinet positions they are not eligible to
> stand for President. Don't you?
Again to resort to the vernacular, them's the rules. They can be changed,
but it's a hard row to hoe. Whether we consider it fair or not is moot.
Personally I think that here needs to be a change in the electoral college,
one that could be done by the states without a Constitutional amendment.
I'd go for that before I'd go for changing the rules on natural born
citizens.
Bill Bradley
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:22:34 -0800, "Bill Bradley" <wgb...@yahoo.com>
> The apples-to-oranges comparison you have chosen to present here
> contains verifiable information, but it's still an empty appeal to
> emotion
Stating facts is not an appeal to anything. I offered no argument, analysis,
or conclusion
whatsoever.
and not an honest discussion of either crime or of defensive
> gun use.
It's not a discussion at all. But the *preceding* discussion was relating to
people *killed* by guns in domestic confrontations (NOT "crime" or
"defensive gun use"), so I offered up real numbers to give context to
phrases like "not too often".
Scout
Then I can say that you are an idiot and a bigot.
Gun Nut #43016
> "Gun Nut #43016" <CARat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5d27e235.02110...@posting.google.com...> news:<wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a total
> > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > >
> > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
> >
> > guns have caused in the past half-century. Last year alone in the US,
> > 45,000 deaths and half a million injuries in auto accidents, and
> > billions of $$$ in property damage and medical expenses.
> >
> > The way I see it only a total fucking loser moron would let his kids
> > ride in an automobile. If anything, teach your kids to stay away from
> > automobiles.
>
>
> Good. I'll take it that you will be walking from now on? It will get rid of
> that fat gut of yours too.
So you choose to endanger your life and the lives of others by using
automobiles, because it's more convenient than the alternative, and
you prefer to be a obese slob?
RD Thompson
>
> "James R. Rogers" <NetA...@Net-Link.Net> wrote in message
> news:3dc3b637$0$1452$bbae...@news.net-link.net...
>> >Ladies and gentlemen,
>> >
>> >This is the response of a typical gun wanker. Do you associate
>> >yourself
> with
>> >this type of creature?
>>
>>
>> Well, since he's right... Yes.
>
> I thought you would say that so I have some news for you;
>
> 1. He is not right
> 2. His languiage skills portrays him as an uneducated boofhead. He
> probably lives in a mountain hut and chews tobacco too.
Assumptions on your part that have no basis. It shows sloppy reasoning.
Does that apply to the rest of your thought processes?
> 3. Swearing and abuse makes him tough
No.
> 4. He thinks a gun makes him tough. It doesn't, it makes him gutless
Does he? Where did you get your degree on reading minds over the internet?
I am surprised that Catl has not come in on this.
--
Sleep well tonight.........
RD (The Sandman)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rdsandman
Elections are always important. Vote or you have absolutely no right
to complain about the results. Our views need to heard in Congress
and in state legislatures. GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RD Thompson
>
> "The-Trainers" <trai...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:20021102023457...@shell.rawbw.com...
>> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Axel Van Kampen wrote:
>>
>> > What is so fucking responsible about that?
>>
>> Since guns do exist in the world and the only other image kids
>> get of guns comes from "cool" criminals on TV and in movies,
>> it would would irresponsible indeed NOT to teach all kids about
>> responsible gun use.
>
> Really? I guess thats why the rest of the world has lower crime rates
> then? Or perhaps thats just a coincidence?
Quite a jumpt from teaching kids about gun safety to solving the problems
of the crime areas.
RD Thompson
>
> "RD Thompson" <rdsandman[from]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns92BA956A9...@216.166.71.239...
>> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
>> news:JbKw9.67538$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "RD Thompson" <rdsandman[from]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns92B9BF391...@216.166.71.239...
>> >> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
>> >> news:1SDw9.67355$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "Kent Finnell" <kent...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:PmDw9.92$y4...@news.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:wdDw9.67324$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
>> >> >> > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it
>> >> >> > only a total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use
>> >> >> > guns!!!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> You do that, Axel. And the next time there's a riot, feel free
>> >> >> to send
>> >> > your
>> >> >> kids to us.
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Never had a riot here.
>> >> > 2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do
>> >> > would be to send them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays
>> >> > with guns.
>> >>
>> >> We don't do that either. We teach them ourselves. After they grow
>> >> up they make their own decisions as to hang with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> We will protect them.
>> >> >
>> >> > No you wont.
>> >>
>> >> You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know us
>> >> and you
>> > do
>> >> not know our children. You only know how to run your mouth or
>> >> your keyboard.
>> >
>> > Clue; I was responding to someone elses post who tried to tell me
>> > that he would protect MY KIDS. I don't have any so it's academic.
>> >
>> > Do try and keep up!
>>
>> Clue back.....I was going off your comment at the top of this post
>> where you said:
>>
>> " What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
>> total fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
>> If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!!"
>>
>> And then you had another comment which was:
>>
>> "2. I don't have any kids but if I did the last thing I'd do would
>> be to send them to some gun toting milita crowd who plays with
>> guns."
>>
>> So that is what I was responding to when I said that you really
>> didn't
> know
>> what you were talking about. Please try to keep up.
>
> Clue back again;
>
> And you put your comment;
>
> "You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know us and
> you do not know our children. You only know how to run your mouth or
> your keyboard. "
>
> Straight after I said that you would never protect my kids. THATS what
> that was about.
>
> Do try to keep up!
I see you missed the point. Oh well, it was expected that you would....
Morton Davis
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
> news:X2Zw9.67936$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>
> >
> > "James R. Rogers" <NetA...@Net-Link.Net> wrote in message
> > news:3dc3b637$0$1452$bbae...@news.net-link.net...
> >> >Ladies and gentlemen,
> >> >
> >> >This is the response of a typical gun wanker. Do you associate
> >> >yourself
> > with
> >> >this type of creature?
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, since he's right... Yes.
> >
> > I thought you would say that so I have some news for you;
> >
> > 1. He is not right
> > 2. His languiage skills portrays him as an uneducated boofhead. He
> > probably lives in a mountain hut and chews tobacco too.
>
> Assumptions on your part that have no basis. It shows sloppy reasoning.
> Does that apply to the rest of your thought processes?
>
>
> > 3. Swearing and abuse makes him tough
>
> No.
>
> > 4. He thinks a gun makes him tough. It doesn't, it makes him gutless
>
> Does he? Where did you get your degree on reading minds over the
internet?
> I am surprised that Catl has not come in on this.
>
>
I think Axel suffers from insanity.
-*MORT*-
Morton Davis
> "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in
> news:R4Zw9.67937$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>
> >
> > "The-Trainers" <trai...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
> > news:20021102023457...@shell.rawbw.com...
> >> On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> >>
> >> > What is so fucking responsible about that?
> >>
> >> Since guns do exist in the world and the only other image kids
> >> get of guns comes from "cool" criminals on TV and in movies,
> >> it would would irresponsible indeed NOT to teach all kids about
> >> responsible gun use.
> >
> > Really? I guess thats why the rest of the world has lower crime rates
> > then? Or perhaps thats just a coincidence?
>
> Quite a jumpt from teaching kids about gun safety to solving the problems
> of the crime areas.
>
>
Axel lacks the logic gene.
-*MORT*-
B.j D
> I will. The lifestyle here is so much better, more freedom, better
climate,
> better economy, less guns and crime.
> Why wouldn't I?
So much better? - Well, I've seen the lifestyles in the US and they aren't
any different, they are the same. No difference. Score 0
More freedom? - Well that's total bullshit. We don't have as much freedom as
they do. Quit trying. Score 0
Better climate? - Yes, that is one particular category where Australia
actually beats the US. But Statewise, I'd take Florida over Australia any
day. Score 1
Better economy? - No way, are you out of your mind? There are a lot more
jobs available in the US and things are MUCH cheaper. Score 0
Less guns? - Yeah, less guns. So what? Does that make our lifestyle any
better, does it give us more freedom? Nope. Score 0
Less crime? - We have about the same level of crime, homicides are a bit
higher in the US but generally it's about the same. Score 1/2
Score 1 and 1/2 out of 6. Hmmm, 25%, Try harder next time.
Regards,
Benjamin.
> > > Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> > >
> > > What is so fucking responsible about that? The way I see it only a
total
> > > fucking loser moron would teach his kids to use guns!!!!
> > >
> > > If anything, teach your kids to stay away from guns!!
> > -------------------------------
> >
> > Axel, please STAY in Australia my friend.
Axel Van Kampen
Right! I'm so glad you found that. I read the story and there is no mention
of the use of guns to protect the store. In fact, I cite;
"
"I said, 'This is the only store we have in the neighborhood between
Florence and Manchester. We would appreciate it very much if you don't burn
it and break into it,' " resident Douil Galbreth said to some young men, The
Los Angeles Wave reported in its May 20 issue that year. "
So much for your credibility! Fucking lying yanks!