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Gray Ghost

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Feb 6, 2004, 2:18:28 AM2/6/04
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Canadian Serial Killings Case Still in Shadows

Thursday, February 05, 2004

VANCOUVER, British Columbia — The more Canadian police dig underneath a pig
farm east of Vancouver, British Columbia (search), the more death they
unearth.

Over the past two years, police have discovered the partial remains of 31
women, making it the country's worst serial killer case.

"This is supposedly the good and peaceable kingdom ... Canada," said
criminologist/sociologist Bob Ratner. "It's getting increasingly difficult
to think of Canada as some kind of sanctuary from those crimes."

Farm owner Robert Willy Pickton (search) faces 22 counts of murder so far.
His alleged victims are all prostitutes from downtown Vancouver's east
side.

The details of the murders are unbelievably gruesome. Police found human
body parts in freezers used to store unsold meat. They also discovered
remains in a wood chipper (search) — the victims' bodies turned into pig
feed. But most Canadians don't know any of this horrifying evidence because
the country's media has been barred from reporting it.

"Canadians are trying to protect the integrity of the criminal justice
system, protect people's reputation against encroachment, against jury
taint," said Mary Lynn Young, an assistant journalism professor at the
University of British Columbia (search).

But experts warn that Canada's coverage ban has a dangerous flip side —
shielding the public from the details of the case also protects the police
from critical scrutiny and has the public wondering why it took so long for
the women to be found.

Morton Davis

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Feb 6, 2004, 7:32:19 AM2/6/04
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"Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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> Canadian Serial Killings Case Still in Shadows
>
> Thursday, February 05, 2004
>
>
>
> VANCOUVER, British Columbia - The more Canadian police dig underneath a

pig
> farm east of Vancouver, British Columbia (search), the more death they
> unearth.
>
> Over the past two years, police have discovered the partial remains of 31
> women, making it the country's worst serial killer case.
>
> "This is supposedly the good and peaceable kingdom ... Canada," said
> criminologist/sociologist Bob Ratner. "It's getting increasingly difficult
> to think of Canada as some kind of sanctuary from those crimes."
>
> Farm owner Robert Willy Pickton (search) faces 22 counts of murder so far.
> His alleged victims are all prostitutes from downtown Vancouver's east
> side.
>
> The details of the murders are unbelievably gruesome. Police found human
> body parts in freezers used to store unsold meat. They also discovered
> remains in a wood chipper (search) - the victims' bodies turned into pig

> feed. But most Canadians don't know any of this horrifying evidence
because
> the country's media has been barred from reporting it.
>
> "Canadians are trying to protect the integrity of the criminal justice
> system, protect people's reputation against encroachment, against jury
> taint," said Mary Lynn Young, an assistant journalism professor at the
> University of British Columbia (search).
>
> But experts warn that Canada's coverage ban has a dangerous flip side -

> shielding the public from the details of the case also protects the police
> from critical scrutiny and has the public wondering why it took so long
for
> the women to be found.

It's also alowing the people to live in false security. Where there's one
serial killer, there'll be more.

-*MORT*-


Gray Ghost

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Feb 6, 2004, 1:33:40 PM2/6/04
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Carl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
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> Gray Ghost --


>
>> Farm owner Robert Willy Pickton
>

> was first arrested for having a handgun.
>
> He's one of your gunner buddies, Frankie.
>

Yes but apparently he slaughtered without the gun.

Morton Davis

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"Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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Hey, "Carl", want to bet Pickton could not have g
otten away with so any if he'd used a gun? As far as I can tell, no
predatory human

has managed to break double digits with a gun before getting caught.

-*MORT*-

Anonymous

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"Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns. I have a gun
hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
inside of my trunk.

My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
hide another one up at the Lodge.

It's the only way to be safe these days.

America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
without cause or a lawyer.

Al Carrigan

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Feb 6, 2004, 3:08:32 PM2/6/04
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Anonymous wrote:

>
> The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns. I have a gun
> hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
> sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
> night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
> inside of my trunk.
>
> My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
> hide another one up at the Lodge.
>
> It's the only way to be safe these days.
>
> America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
> crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
> without cause or a lawyer.

I want to get rid of this stupid gun registry too. Problem is that you
are not helping the cause by telling us you are great and we are
oppressed.

Our president was actually the one our people elected.
We don't go around deporting your citizens to Syria to be tortured.
We do not go around starting wars on false information and as much as I
despise our old El-Presidenta, he did not get suckered by you into going
to war to find the WMD that were never there.

E. Barry Bruyea

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Feb 6, 2004, 3:33:28 PM2/6/04
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:08:32 -0500, Al Carrigan <ac...@sprint.com>
wrote:


Which country are you posting from?

Joe

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Feb 6, 2004, 3:52:07 PM2/6/04
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> America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
> crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
> without cause or a lawyer.

I can only assume that this is a joke posting.


Ralph Pippey

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:08:35 PM2/6/04
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Joe wrote:

Or a satire. Or a satirical troll.

Paul R

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:33:21 PM2/6/04
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"Anonymous" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message I

have a gun
> hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
> sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
> night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
> inside of my trunk.
>
> My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
> hide another one up at the Lodge.
>
> It's the only way to be safe these days.
>
> America is free,


bwuaaahhh haaaahaaaaa haaaa!!! You think you're free, yet you feel you must
carry a gun around with you at all times, just in case you have to kill
someone in self defence.

You don't know what freedom is!!

paul


Mike Wilcox

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:35:00 PM2/6/04
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Anonymous wrote:

To quote a great many who reply to such paranoid crap, "
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!"
Soaring crime rates in Canada? " BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!"
There, that feels much better.

--
Mike Wilcox
--

Barney

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:45:40 PM2/6/04
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:56:33 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:

> "Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94878BBB39B61We...@216.196.97.136...
>> Carl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:250e4fdabf597399...@news.teranews.com:
>>

>

> The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns. I have a gun
> hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
> sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
> night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
> inside of my trunk.
>
> My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
> hide another one up at the Lodge.
>
> It's the only way to be safe these days.
>
> America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
> crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
> without cause or a lawyer.

It will be Interesting to see where your statistic's come from.
Even the rights read to you indicate your are going to be screwed. " the
rigt to be silent: Anything you say "will be used AGAINST you"
Talk about soaring crime rates: How many crimes per second occur in the
good old U.S of A.
People in your country spend years in court just waiting to be charged.
Even if you are found inocent, you can still be sued in civil court. The
severity of the crime depends which State you are in. A crime is if you
(commit a crime) and move to another state.
There are other areas of your anatomy you kind hide your gun.

Mike Wilcox

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:37:05 PM2/6/04
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Al Carrigan wrote:

Since when did Canada have a President ;~))


--
Mike Wilcox
--

notritenotteri

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Feb 6, 2004, 4:54:05 PM2/6/04
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lagoon and Pinocchio sleeps with willy the whale
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D.A. Tsenuf

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Feb 6, 2004, 5:09:20 PM2/6/04
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"Barney" <sha...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:56:33 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:
>
> > "Gray Ghost" <fta...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94878BBB39B61We...@216.196.97.136...
> >> Carl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
> >> news:250e4fdabf597399...@news.teranews.com:
> >>
>
> >
> > The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns. I have a gun
> > hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
> > sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
> > night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
> > inside of my trunk.
> >
> > My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
> > hide another one up at the Lodge.
> >
> > It's the only way to be safe these days.
> >
> > America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
> > crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
> > without cause or a lawyer.
>
> It will be Interesting to see where your statistic's come from.

Try the DOJ.


> Even the rights read to you indicate your are going to be screwed. " the
> rigt to be silent: Anything you say "will be used AGAINST you"

Same is true in Canada.
Obviously you're not up to speed on current Canadian Law.


> Talk about soaring crime rates: How many crimes per second occur in the
> good old U.S of A.

Well according to recent stats, that "soaring crime rate" is "soaring" in a
negative way...

> People in your country spend years in court just waiting to be charged.

They do ?
That's funny.
People get released EVERY DAY on their own recognizanve or on bail.
Funny.thing, it's also the way it works in Canada.


> Even if you are found inocent, you can still be sued in civil court.

Same can happen is Canada.
Being cleared of a criminal charge is no garantee that you won't face a
civil suit.

> The severity of the crime depends which State you are in. A crime is if
you
> (commit a crime) and move to another state.

???
This is supposed to mean something ?


> There are other areas of your anatomy you kind hide your gun.

Only if one is a humoungous asshole like you...


Al Carrigan

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Feb 6, 2004, 7:12:21 PM2/6/04
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Mike Wilcox wrote:

First ,,I was putting it in terms an American with his intelligence might
understand.

Secondly,, for a long while I thought the old crook thought he was the King,,
never mind just a PM or El-Presidenta!!

>
> --
> Mike Wilcox
> --

Morton Davis

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"Al Carrigan" <ac...@sprint.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Anonymous wrote:
>
> >
> > The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns. I have a gun
> > hidden in my shower in case one of those home invasions happen. I
> > sleep with another gun in case someone breaks in to my house at
> > night. I keep another gun in my glove box and one taped to the
> > inside of my trunk.
> >
> > My ankle holster comes in handy when I'm on the golf course and I
> > hide another one up at the Lodge.
> >
> > It's the only way to be safe these days.
> >
> > America is free, unlike other places like Canada that have soaring
> > crime rates and opressive governments who can arrest and detain you
> > without cause or a lawyer.
>
> I want to get rid of this stupid gun registry too. Problem is that you
> are not helping the cause by telling us you are great and we are
> oppressed.
>
> Our president was actually the one our people elected.

So is ours.

> We don't go around deporting your citizens to Syria to be tortured.

Nor do we.

> We do not go around starting wars on false information

You're a lost cause if you believe this BULLSHIT.

>and as much as I
> despise our old El-Presidenta, he did not get suckered by you into going
> to war to find the WMD that were never there.

Nor did ours, fucktard.

-*MORT*-


Joe

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Feb 6, 2004, 9:15:10 PM2/6/04
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> > Our president was actually the one our people elected.
>
> So is ours.

Actually, more people voted for Gore than Bush. More members of the
Electoral College voted for Bush than Gore.

Morton Davis

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"Joe" <nos...@dropdead.com> wrote in message
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That's the way it is supposed to work. It keeps California and New York from
running the entire country. Thank uyou for being disgenuous.

-*MORT*-


Un Patriote

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>The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns.

Afghans and Iraqis are resisting anglo invaders because they have
guns and the determination to down the colonial bastards...

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Lorne Smith

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Un Patriote wrote:

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> Le Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:56:33 +0100 (CET), Anonymous
> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> a écrit :
>
> >The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns.
>
> Afghans and Iraqis are resisting anglo invaders because they have
> guns and the determination to down the colonial bastards...

Yes, but unlike when the Vietnamese kicked the loving shit out of the
French at Dien Bien Phu the Afghans and Iraqis are only making a
nuisance of themselves after being beaten.

I guess you know about all there is to know about being beaten. Eh!

Un Patriote

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Le Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:25:21 -0500, Lorne Smith
<l.s...@sympatico.ca> a écrit :

>Un Patriote wrote:

>> Le Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:56:33 +0100 (CET), Anonymous
>> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> a écrit :
>>
>> >The USA has no more crime because we all carry guns.
>>
>> Afghans and Iraqis are resisting anglo invaders because they have
>> guns and the determination to down the colonial bastards...
>
>Yes, but unlike when the Vietnamese kicked the loving shit out of
>the French at Dien Bien Phu the Afghans and Iraqis are only making a
>nuisance of themselves after being beaten.

Go back in colonial history and you will find the same words spoken
against the American, Palestinian, Egyptians and other patriots
opposed to the any invadind imperialists.

>I guess you know about all there is to know about being beaten. Eh!

I know as much as I could lay my hands on. I have always opposed all
colonialism and imperialism without distinction. Which include
English Canada's midget imperialist...

While on the subject of knowing "about being beaten". The British,
French, Dutch, German and other imperialisms sit at the bottom of the
garbage pail of History where they should never have left. You fail
to be imaginative on that one, being left drifting as a colonial
orphan !

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Paul Rodgers
~~~~~~~~~~~~

« Dès la première occasion qui lui est offerte, le système colonial
trahit son penchant pour l'État policier et révèle sa nature. »

André D'Allemagne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Joe

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Feb 7, 2004, 10:13:33 AM2/7/04
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> > Actually, more people voted for Gore than Bush. More members of the
> > Electoral College voted for Bush than Gore.
> >
> That's the way it is supposed to work. It keeps California and New York
from
> running the entire country. Thank uyou for being disgenuous.
>
> -*MORT*-

Mort, are you an American? You seem to have some myths in your head.

California has about 10% of the US population and has about 10% of the votes
in the Electoral College. That's not disingenuous that's a fact. It is
also a fact that more voters voter for Gore than Bush and yet Bush won.
That's not true democracy.


E. Barry Bruyea

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But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
not a democracy; it's a republic.
>

Hartmann Schaffer

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Feb 7, 2004, 4:59:10 PM2/7/04
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In article <0sea20hr0bip9v5ia...@4ax.com>,
E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
> ...

> But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
> not a democracy; it's a republic.

so why are they demanding that everybody (e.g. iraq) else becomes a
democracy?

hs

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Not everything that counts can be counted,
not everything that can be counted counts.
A. Einstein

AH#49

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Feb 7, 2004, 5:05:03 PM2/7/04
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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
>
> In article <0sea20hr0bip9v5ia...@4ax.com>,
> E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
> > ...
> > But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
> > not a democracy; it's a republic.
>
> so why are they demanding that everybody (e.g. iraq) else becomes a
> democracy?

Because it's a start!
Later, they can become a better form of Government.

Van

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>Le Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:25:21 -0500, Lorne Smith
><l.s...@sympatico.ca> a écrit :
>
>>Un Patriote wrote:
>

>>I guess you know about all there is to know about being beaten. Eh!
>
>I know as much as I could lay my hands on. I have always opposed all
>colonialism and imperialism without distinction. Which include
>English Canada's midget imperialist...

Hopefully that also includes the separatists colonialism and imperialism
against the Quebecious anglos and allophones.


Micheal Wilson

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"Hartmann Schaffer" <h...@heaven.nirvananet> wrote in message
news:OcdVb.1731$Ps4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...

> In article <0sea20hr0bip9v5ia...@4ax.com>,
> E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
> > ...
> > But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
> > not a democracy; it's a republic.
>
> so why are they demanding that everybody (e.g. iraq) else becomes a
> democracy?
>

Because they, like just about everyone in the world, uses the word
incorrectly.

And not to split hairs with what Barry said, but I'm not sure that the US
really qualifies as a full republic either. The people do elect most of
their representatives, which is the definition of a republic, but none of
the executive are chosen directly by the people. The president (head of
state) is chosen by the electoral college (a technicality but still a
reality), and the rest of the executive is chosen by the president and not
elected.

Anyway, hope I haven't bored you too much with this crap.


Mike


E. Barry Bruyea

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Mike, I know I could do some googling, but offhand, do you know if the
French Cabinet are elected or non-elected individuals? Germany? (The
Canadian Head of State is not chosen by the people, either.) Many
"New World" 'so called' democracies, like the U.S., have the 'Head of
State' and 'Head of Government' residing in the same office.
>

E. Barry Bruyea

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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:59:10 GMT, h...@heaven.nirvananet (Hartmann
Schaffer) wrote:

>In article <0sea20hr0bip9v5ia...@4ax.com>,
> E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
>> ...
>> But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
>> not a democracy; it's a republic.
>
>so why are they demanding that everybody (e.g. iraq) else becomes a
>democracy?
>
>hs


Naive?

Hartmann Schaffer

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Feb 8, 2004, 3:46:00 PM2/8/04
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In article <5o7c20dccskjliqog...@4ax.com>,

E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:59:10 GMT, h...@heaven.nirvananet (Hartmann
> Schaffer) wrote:
>
>>In article <0sea20hr0bip9v5ia...@4ax.com>,
>> E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
>>> ...
>>> But not the way the U.S. system is structured; besides, the U.S. is
>>> not a democracy; it's a republic.
>>
>>so why are they demanding that everybody (e.g. iraq) else becomes a
>>democracy?
>>
>>hs
>
> Naive?

probably (at laest their political class)

Micheal Wilson

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"E. Barry Bruyea" <bl...@sky.org> wrote in message
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I'm not sure about Germany, Hartmann might know more about that. You're
right, the Canadian head-of state is unelected as well, and we aren't a
republic either. We're a constitutional monarchy.

Mike


D.A. Tsenuf

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Feb 9, 2004, 1:16:41 PM2/9/04
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"Micheal Wilson" <e...@il.com> wrote in message
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You're quite right that the "head of state" of Canada, the Governor-General
is NOT elected.
On the other hand, the Prime Minister IS an ELECTED member of Parliament.
You boys REALLY should check your facts before you prononce yourselves and
demonstrate such blatant IGNORANCE.


Nomen Nescio

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"D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com> wrote in message
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>

>
> You're quite right that the "head of state" of Canada, the Governor-General
> is NOT elected.
> On the other hand, the Prime Minister IS an ELECTED member of Parliament.
> You boys REALLY should check your facts before you prononce yourselves and
> demonstrate such blatant IGNORANCE.
>
>

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE. TAKE A BULLET FOR DUBYA AND DIE.

STUPID AMERICAN PIECE OF SHIT. YANKEE TURD


Morton Davis

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Feb 9, 2004, 3:26:34 PM2/9/04
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody AT dizum DOT com> wrote in message
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Thank you for most ably proving what you are.

-*MORT*-


D.A. Tsenuf

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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody AT dizum DOT com> wrote in message
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You're pissing in the wind you anonymous sack of festering pus.
I'm Canadian.
And at least I KNOW how Canada works.
What's your excuse for being an ignorant twit ?

steve

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....AND he's right. That must make it hard for you.

D.A. Tsenuf

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"steve" <st...@nevernoswut.org.nz> wrote in message
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That's why hes shouting.
He's hoping that volume will cover the absence of content.


E. Barry Bruyea

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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:16:41 -0600, "D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com>
wrote:

Illiteracy can sometimes be classified as a form of ignorance. I'm
assuming illiteracy on your part because of your difficulty in reading
posts, or, making it up when you don't understand it. Neither Mike or
myself made any comment regarding the P.M., elected or otherwise. And
to have a little fun splitting hairs, Canadians do not get to elect
their prime minister; the party does, as with our present prime
minister.

>

D.A. Tsenuf

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"E. Barry Bruyea" <bl...@sky.org> wrote in message
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Oh dear.
You don't think that:


"(The Canadian Head of State is not chosen by the people, either.) "

doesn't qualify as a "comment regarding the P.M., elected or otherwise" ?

Thank you for that demonstration of YOUR form of ignorance


notritenotteri

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Feb 10, 2004, 10:16:00 AM2/10/04
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I may be wrong but I don't think the Prime Minister needs to be an
elected member of parliament. It is I believe possible for the PM to
be "elected" by the members of Parliament of the majority elected and
not have a seat. He cannot speak or vote in the house but if the
house is not sitting then it doesn't really matter. I think this
situation has happened in a number of cases but I've got other things
to do than look up odd-ball political facts.


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Morton Davis

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"notritenotteri" <rong...@alber.ta> wrote in message
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> I may be wrong but I don't think the Prime Minister needs to be an
> elected member of parliament. It is I believe possible for the PM to
> be "elected" by the members of Parliament of the majority elected and
> not have a seat. He cannot speak or vote in the house but if the
> house is not sitting then it doesn't really matter. I think this
> situation has happened in a number of cases but I've got other things
> to do than look up odd-ball political facts.
>
>
Translation: You're a troll and you can't be bothered with the truth.

-*MORT*-


notritenotteri

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Feb 10, 2004, 11:49:25 AM2/10/04
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How the fuck can you translate? You don't even speak the language.
Why would anybody bother trolling for the inane babblings of an idiot
such as you?
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
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Morton Davis

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"notritenotteri" <rong...@alber.ta> wrote in message
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> How the fuck can you translate? You don't even speak the language.
> Why would anybody bother trolling for the inane babblings of an idiot
> such as you?

<plonk, you top posting fucktard>


notritenotteri

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Feb 10, 2004, 3:14:16 PM2/10/04
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I can see why you play I won't read it but you must have just to reply
You're pretty well useless in flaming
go jerk off with your gun
BOom
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Yah got me.

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Hartmann Schaffer

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Feb 10, 2004, 10:35:18 PM2/10/04
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In article <1l4g20hf7k8abg1ff...@4ax.com>,

E. Barry Bruyea <bl...@sky.org> writes:
> ...
>>> I'm not sure about Germany, Hartmann might know more about that.

the german president (mainly a ceremonial post) gets elected by a body
that gets specifically put together for this. iirc, it is composed of
all members of the bundestag (lower house) and bundesrat (similar to
the US senate)

> ...


> And
> to have a little fun splitting hairs, Canadians do not get to elect
> their prime minister; the party does, as with our present prime
> minister.

to split hairs a bit further, the PM has to be elected into the house
and usually is somebody nominated by the party beforehand, so you
might as well call him (or occasionally her) elected. in case where
he resigns or is terminated before the term expires, he is replaced by
somebody who was not elected, just like the US president

hs

--

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel
Samuel Johnson

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all
others because you were born in it
George Bernard Shaw

Hartmann Schaffer

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In article <XA6Wb.2141$Ps4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,

"notritenotteri" <rong...@alber.ta> writes:
> I may be wrong but I don't think the Prime Minister needs to be an
> elected member of parliament. It is I believe possible for the PM to
> be "elected" by the members of Parliament of the majority elected and
> not have a seat. He cannot speak or vote in the house but if the
> house is not sitting then it doesn't really matter. I think this
> situation has happened in a number of cases but I've got other things
> to do than look up odd-ball political facts.

not directly applicable, but given the close tie of our system to
westminster, wasn't there a precedence when some guy became prime
minister who was member of the house of lords (heath?). he had to
resign from the house of lords, give up his title (iow, conrad black
will never rum for blair's post) and get a seat in the commons

> ...

Micheal Wilson

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"D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com> wrote in message
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>

The PM is NOT the head-of state.


mike


Red Conners

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Micheal Wilson wrote:

That's good to know! All along I thought he was our King.

D.A. Tsenuf

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"Micheal Wilson" <e...@il.com> wrote in message
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You really have to follow the little bouncing ball..
1) I never stated that the PM was the head of state.
I stated that the G-G was.
2) I also stated that the head of the Government, the PM WAS elected.

But nice little weasel side-step to cover the fact that you can't even
follow a thread across 4 posts.


E. Barry Bruyea

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:34:52 -0500, Red Conners <rc....@sympatico.ca>
wrote:


No, his real job was running the government money laundering
operation.

E. Barry Bruyea

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:57:53 -0600, "D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com>
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Your the one who can't follow a thread. You must remember, 'Denial'
is not just a river in Egypt.
>

Bob

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Feb 11, 2004, 12:37:28 PM2/11/04
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"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:

> >> The PM is NOT the head-of state.
> >>
> >> mike
> >
> >That's good to know! All along I thought he was our King.
>
> No, his real job was running the government money laundering
> operation.

You know, so much of our Government and police are corrupt that we honestly should
invite the FBI in to investigate this whole mess. (o:

Joe

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Feb 11, 2004, 3:22:52 PM2/11/04
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> The PM is NOT the head-of state.
>
>
> mike

True, but Mulroney thought he was.


Bob

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Joe wrote:

They all do!!

Funny Mulroney left Kim Campbell holding the bag and now

Chrétien is leaving Martin holding that same kind of bag.

D.A. Tsenuf

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"E. Barry Bruyea" <sn...@drift.ca> wrote in message
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LOL
Obviously Denial is a river in your neck of the woods.

Well back to my garbabe pile, bub.
You're not worth my time


E. Barry Bruyea

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:29:26 -0600, "D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com>
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You can tell time? Well, there's hope for you yet.
>

E. Barry Bruyea

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:32:58 -0500, Bob <rj.you...@sympatico.ca>
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Appropriate, given the Martin could have been the bag man. Remember,
he was the finance minister at the time of the questionable
'disbursements'.

Joe

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> Funny Mulroney left Kim Campbell holding the bag and now
>
> Chrétien is leaving Martin holding that same kind of bag.

I think it's great. Martin et all pushed Chretien out the door and he
(Chretien) left a time bomb. A pox on all of them.


Micheal Wilson

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"D.A. Tsenuf" <D...@Tsenuf.com> wrote in message
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If you'd been around here longer, you'd have seen Hartmann, Barry, and I
each admit from time to time when we are wrong. Nobody wants to rub it in
your face that you were wrong in this case, but we also don't like to see
you act like a dick instead of just admitting it or moving on to another
thread.

Here is what you said, in it's entirety (unedited):
***


"Oh dear.
You don't think that:
"(The Canadian Head of State is not chosen by the people, either.) "
doesn't qualify as a "comment regarding the P.M., elected or otherwise" ?

Thank you for that demonstration of YOUR form of ignorance"

***

You were chastising me for saying that the PM is NOT the head-of-state. I
can follow a thread, even when I only read it during the few minutes I have
before work each day. You, on the other hand, seem to have more time to
read and post, but you are unable to keep track of your own statement.

Mike

D.A. Tsenuf

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"Micheal Wilson" <e...@il.com> wrote in message
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I was chastising you for NOT reading what I wrote.
I stated the the G-G was the head of state
The PM is the head of the Governement.

Next time, practice what you preach.


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