6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would win?

[Quick Facts]

I think we know the answer to that now.

[Olrik]

Le 2012-03-25 23:11, Quick Facts a écrit :
> I think we know the answer to that now.

Yup. The gun.

[Dakota]

On 3/25/2012 10:11 PM, Quick Facts wrote:
> I think we know the answer to that now.
>

I haven't been able to find anything substantiating the claim that
Trayvon Martin was six foot three inches tall. I only see references in
blogs and blog comments.

Can anyone provide evidence of Trayvon Martin's height at the time of
his death?

[John Baker]

On 26 Mar 2012 03:11:57 -0000, "Quick Facts"

<quick...@barackobama.com> wrote:

>I think we know the answer to that now.

I can't believe how many racist morons are trying to justify
Zimmerman's actions.

Zimmerman should go to prison, and his "fan club" along with him.



>
>

[John]

I did some research and his height at the time of his death was the same
as it was 3 days, 3 hours and 3 minutes before his death.

[JTEM]

John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> I can't believe how many racist morons are trying to justify
> Zimmerman's actions.

Ironically, it's the other way around. The racists think
that a white man had to act out of malice towards
a black teen, that no other explanation exists.

The racists had to invent a vast conspiracy within the
police force, a cover up, in other to invent the claim
that justice had not been served.

Think about it (speaking rhetorically). If you're not a
racists, if you don't cling to the absolute worst thoughts
about white people and those you perceive as white,
there is no reason to think that this story is exactly
what Zimmerman and the police said -- a tragedy.

> Zimmerman should go to prison, and his "fan club" along with him.

I'm so old I can remember when you were against
American becoming a fascist state, and now you
want people to go to prison when they haven't broken
any laws....

The issue here is Florida's "Stand your ground law."
You can make this kid's death mean something, or
you can fight for injustice, fight to lock people up
for being unpopular.

Stop being a racist cunt. Fight for justice instead.

[Lookout]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:33:06 -0500, John <john...@oldwest.net>
wrote:

Prove he was 6'3".

[Trayvon Hater]

Media consultants and other protected-from-society types, most of them
safe somewhere in 2,000 sq.ft. exurban mansions, ignore the fact that,
in less affluent zones, African American males under middle-age
customarily, and in-your-face proudly, wear dark clothes, especially
head-covering hoodies, at night, in neighborhoods white, black and in-
between.

These types need to get out more often.

D.C.'s Marion "The Taxpayer King" Barry could point the way.

Of course, we don't even want to get into illegally-tinted car and SUV
windows, do we?

[Wayne]

"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:fmc0n7tlagji60mcu...@4ax.com...

> On 26 Mar 2012 03:11:57 -0000, "Quick Facts"
> <quick...@barackobama.com> wrote:
>
>>I think we know the answer to that now.
>
> I can't believe how many racist morons are trying to justify

Ah, you are another one of those people who have more facts than the rest of
us, and thus can convict Z without a trial.

Every wonder why no arrest or charges filed? The only explanation, of
course, is corrupt police and whitey's general hatred of blacks? There's
more to the story than you just getting pissed off because a gun was
involved against a black.

[Ben Kaufman]

This is more than just a court case. On legal paper, our country is color
blind, but this is not the case, and if it were not for these issues of racism
being raised there probably would be no court case.


Ben

[Brian E. Clark]

In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
quick...@barackobama.com says...

> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would win?

How tall was the gun?

--
-----------
Brian E. Clark

[Gunner Asch]

Yes of course. Calls from blacks for a lynching are hauntingly
reminescent of similar calls from white Democrats for a century or 2.

And one, when reading the various posts here.. notices many peopl who
keep trying to claim that A..there is no difference between whites and
Latino..and B...keep trying to use childhood photos of the decedent as
somehow depicting the decedent at the moment of his death...unlike the
latest photos showing him to be sagging...and in full Punk mode.

Thats rather decetetful, wouldnt one think?

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

[J]

Being a racist cunt is what Baker is best at.





--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Mar 25, 11:11 pm, "Quick Facts" <quick.fa...@barackobama.com>
wrote:

> I think we know the answer to that now.

I know the answer: David vs. Goliath.

[Mogons]

On Mar 25, 8:11 pm, "Quick Facts" <quick.fa...@barackobama.com> wrote:
> I think we know the answer to that now.

Not really. Height has very little effect on the outcome of a fight.
You have to also take into consideration weight, age, reflexes,
stamina, body fat vrs muscle and experience. I learned from experience
that the bigger guy doesn't always win. I was on both sides of it
during my mis-spent youth.

mogons

[RD Sandman]

Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:

Not right now, but I have seen the same thing. That Trayvon was 6' 3"
and weighed about 140 pounds. I don't read blogs so it was a news
article probably from NY Times, LA Times, ABC, MSNBC, or CBS.

--

My favorite animal: Steak!


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5gv0n71hiebece65l...@4ax.com:

Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But
as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the
official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that
the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman,
28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm
handgun from his waistband and shot.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-
martin-case.html#storylink=cpy

[RD Sandman]

Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:

Found a reference for you.

This is the Miami Herald:

Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But
as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the
official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that
the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman,
28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm
handgun from his waistband and shot.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-
martin-case.html#storylink=cpy

This is NPR citing the Herald:

http://tinyurl.com/785raf2

This is the LA Times:

http://tinyurl.com/cbgtsxa

[RD Sandman]

Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>
>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>> win?
>
> How tall was the gun?
>

It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message
news:XnsA02281CBA...@216.196.121.131...

Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 3/25/2012 10:11 PM, Quick Facts wrote:
>> I think we know the answer to that now.
>>
>
> I haven't been able to find anything substantiating the claim that
> Trayvon Martin was six foot three inches tall. I only see references in
> blogs and blog comments.
>
> Can anyone provide evidence of Trayvon Martin's height at the time of
> his death?
>

Not right now, but I have seen the same thing. That Trayvon was 6' 3"
and weighed about 140 pounds. I don't read blogs so it was a news
article probably from NY Times, LA Times, ABC, MSNBC, or CBS.

^^^^

Then at least he was not obese , according to Lookout.

After all, HE said Arnold Schwarzenegger was "OBESE" when he was Mr. Olympia
at 6' 250 lbs.

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA02283A9C...@216.196.121.131...

Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>
>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>> win?
>
> How tall was the gun?
>

It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.

^^^
So do you measure the height of that gun when Vertical, or Horizontal?

My wife says I'm pretty tall when laying down on my back...and excited.

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Mar 26, 3:28 pm, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach

> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Zimmerman armed with a 9mm semi-auto pistol, Martin armed with a bag
> of Skittles.
>
> You forgot to mention that.

David had a sling. Goliath...

What did Goliath have?

Notice that I don't agree with Zimmerman a priori, just that I think
this is complex situation where many things were at play, including
the fact that anyone can have a gun, and also that kids try to look
like a bad guy instead of a decent person. Is this spontaneous or
planted by the media? In any case this culture must have been born in
the prisons and made popular by Hollywood.

In the wisdom of the jungle --which I humbly propose-- you must be
smart and not look out of place in the wrong environment. Maybe
Zimmerman acted out of fear, something not unheard of in the animal
kingdom. KILL OR BE KILLED is a fact of life in the deep jungle just
as it is in our prison system.

I could not support the law of the jungle either since I ride a
bicycle. I've been attacked in situations where I may have used a gun
in self defense --or just out of fear. The gun though is not practical
against a car, and since I can't have an RPG, I have nothing. Well, I
got something, but it's largely symbolic: a banana.

David vs. Goliath is a Judeo/Christian simplified metaphor that is
very poor in the real world. Goliath usually beats David.


------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

[Lookout]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:54:42 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 3/25/2012 10:11 PM, Quick Facts wrote:
>>> I think we know the answer to that now.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't been able to find anything substantiating the claim that
>> Trayvon Martin was six foot three inches tall. I only see references in
>> blogs and blog comments.
>>
>> Can anyone provide evidence of Trayvon Martin's height at the time of
>> his death?
>
>Found a reference for you.
>
>This is the Miami Herald:
>
>Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But
>as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the
>official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that
>the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman,
>28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm
>handgun from his waistband and shot.
>
>Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-
>martin-case.html#storylink=cpy
>

NOT proof. That's one untrained ASSHOLES opinion.

[PaxPerPoten]

I don't agree. A tall man usually has the advantage of a much longer
reach. In the fight game that can be deadly. I am still wondering who
was screaming for help? My money is on the short fat guy.

[RD Sandman]

PaxPerPoten <P...@USA.net> wrote in news:jkqjt7$186$2...@dont-email.me:

Same with a couple of alleged witnesses.

[RD Sandman]

"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in
news:4f70caa9$0$5471$607e...@cv.net:

I think Lookout is obese. You've seen his pictures.....of course, so has
everyone else on usenet.

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:hlk1n79p1qgm7921u...@4ax.com:

Didn't read the other cites, did you. If you read slowly and parse the
words above, you will see that they don't say that Zimmerman who gave
that description. They are simply saying that Zimmerman claimed that
Trayvon assaulted him. I would be that Zimmerman had no idea what size
Trayvon was....seeing only a black man taller than him in a hoodie.

[RD Sandman]

"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4f70cbf2$0$1992
$607e...@cv.net:

>
>
> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA02283A9C...@216.196.121.131...
>
> Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
> news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>
>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>> win?
>>
>> How tall was the gun?
>>
>
> It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.
>
> ^^^
> So do you measure the height of that gun when Vertical, or Horizontal?

Who cares?

> My wife says I'm pretty tall when laying down on my back...and excited.

And Jay Leno claims that he cannot lie face down on the beach in Santa
Monica since they have a law about holes more than 18 inches deep.

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA022930C2...@216.196.121.131...

^^^^^

Butt, that's because his chin is so strange.

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA0229258...@216.196.121.131...

^^^^

Then that thing he calls his penis must be malnourished... or it was child
pornography.
When my wife saw it, and stopped laughing, she asked: "What's that? Looks
like a penis, only smaller... and is that a dead Orca it's next to?"

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:

>In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>quick...@barackobama.com says...
>
>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would win?
>
>How tall was the gun?

Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that Florida
(and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with one.

[MarkA]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:11:57 +0000, Quick Facts wrote:

> I think we know the answer to that now.

The one with the gun?

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[Mogons]

I've had real world experience. I've kicked the ass of guys taller
than me, and I've had my ass kicked by guys taller than me. Reach
doesn't matter. In street fight you're not going to stand there toe to
toe like a couple boxers. It's more of a combination of boxing,
wrestling and martial arts. Kind of like MMA. You're going to do what
it takes to beat the crap out of the other person and "rules" go out
the window.

mogons

[Lookout]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:23:09 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in
>news:4f70caa9$0$5471$607e...@cv.net:
>
>>
>>
>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsA02281CBA...@216.196.121.131...
>>
>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
>> news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 3/25/2012 10:11 PM, Quick Facts wrote:
>>>> I think we know the answer to that now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't been able to find anything substantiating the claim that
>>> Trayvon Martin was six foot three inches tall. I only see references
>>> in blogs and blog comments.
>>>
>>> Can anyone provide evidence of Trayvon Martin's height at the time of
>>> his death?
>>>
>>
>> Not right now, but I have seen the same thing. That Trayvon was 6' 3"
>> and weighed about 140 pounds. I don't read blogs so it was a news
>> article probably from NY Times, LA Times, ABC, MSNBC, or CBS.
>> ^^^^
>>
>> Then at least he was not obese , according to Lookout.
>>
>> After all, HE said Arnold Schwarzenegger was "OBESE" when he was Mr.
>> Olympia at 6' 250 lbs.
>

I never said that.

>I think Lookout is obese. You've seen his pictures.....of course, so has
>everyone else on usenet.

And you believed his lie.
Why?

[Lookout]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:25:57 -0500, RD Sandman

That height and weight came from Zimmerman. That's a fact.

[Lookout]

The FACT remains that Zimmerman was stalking the kid. He followed him
around SLOWLY in his car after being told NOT TO by the police. And
then he got out of the car and approached the kid IN THE DARK. There's
an excellent chance my reaction would be to put you on your ass too.
This has NOTHING to do with "Stand your ground" and EVERYTHING to do
with stalking.

[JTEM]

Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:

> This is more than just a court case.  On legal paper, our country is color
> blind, but this is not the case, and if it were not for these issues of racism
> being raised there probably would be no court case.

I disagree.

I'm shocked at the disparity of reporting. Everything says that
racism has nothing to do with this case. Zimmerman was an
over zealous "Neighborhood Watch Captain." He had a long
record of calling the police every time he spotted a stranger.
This time was no different. The cries for help were coming
from Zimmerman. He clearly believed he was in danger. He
fired.

He'd be in prison here, in my state. We're one of the states
that has a "Retreat" requirement. But not Florida. Everything
Zimmerman did was 100% in character with Zimmerman,
100% in keeping with the law. There is absolutely no reason
to invent "Racism" except if you're racist yourself....

[Gray Guest]

John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:fmc0n7tlagji60mcu...@4ax.com:

> On 26 Mar 2012 03:11:57 -0000, "Quick Facts"

><quick...@barackobama.com> wrote:
>
>>I think we know the answer to that now.
>

> I can't believe how many racist morons are trying to justify
> Zimmerman's actions.
>

> Zimmerman should go to prison, and his "fan club" along with him.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>

I can't beelive how many morons are suggesting a man be imprisoned without
all the facts and before a trial.

What if there is a trial and the niggers don't sufficiently intimade the
jury? What will you do, commit further acts of violence in your quest for
justice.

Please do so where I live. I'm begging you.

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

[Mitchell Holman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:usp1n7hgolheiuog7...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
> <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>
>>In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>>quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>
>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>> win?
>>
>>How tall was the gun?
>
> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that Florida
> (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with one.

Protect themselves from what - a black
kid walking down the street minding his
own business?

[Olrik]

No need to go further. That will do for the likes of "Gunner"...

[Olrik]

Exactly. *Even* if there was a scuffle between them, is was entirely
Zimmerman's fault. He should be charged with 2nd degree murder.

[John Baker]

A pity Gummer doesn't understand that "stand your ground" laws apply
only when you are actually in danger, and in most states that have
them, only on your own property. And none of them apply when you are
the aggressor. Zimmerman, who reportedly has a history of violent
behavior, deliberately followed and confronted Martin despite a
warning from police not to do so and ended up fatally shooting an
unarmed seventeen year old kid he outweighed by at least fifty pounds.
If that's self defense, I'll eat my hat. Without salt.

If I'd been the officer in charge at the scene that night, Zimmerman
would have been taken away in handcuffs.


>
>
>
>
>
>

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:56:32 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
>news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>
>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>> win?
>>
>> How tall was the gun?
>>
>
>It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.

PF9 according to the police report.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Cruiser Philosopher" <comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I could not support the law of the jungle either since I ride a
>bicycle. I've been attacked in situations where I may have used a gun
>in self defense --or just out of fear. The gun though is not practical
>against a car,

Its not? Really?

Guns have always worked fine for me against cars...well..the drivers.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

So you are admitting to being racist.

Sad..really.

[Lookout]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:42:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<nomailcomcast.net> wrote:

I guess being followed for blocks by some idiot in his car isn't
enough to put someone on the defensive..and maybe the offensive.

Like I said..someone follows me in their car in the dark and then
get's out and approaches me he better have a gun and a badge showing
or he's going down and then I"M the one asking questions.

[Lookout]

Agreed

[BroilJAB]

Each time shown that Trayvon was a
thug and a doper, each time the
scamming liberals try to change the
goalposts.

Bottom line: the 'kid' was a giant football
player, thrown out of school for dope.
He punched and tried to kill Zimmerman.
I hope Zimmerman sues his family now.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT), BroilJAB
<Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

>Each time shown that Trayvon was a
>thug

N one has proved that

>and a doper,

A 17 y/o with post residue is a "dope"?
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH

> each time the
>scamming liberals try to change the
>goalposts.
>

Nope. You just don't know where the goal posts are, dumbass

>Bottom line: the 'kid' was a giant football
>player,

140 lbs is a "giant"?
You must really be a little squirt to thing that

> thrown out of school for dope.

Suspended. So what?

>He punched and tried to kill Zimmerman.

Can you prove that?

>I hope Zimmerman sues his family now.

For what?

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Mar 27, 3:00 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>

> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I could not support the law of the jungle either since I ride a
> >bicycle. I've been attacked in situations where I may have used a gun
> >in self defense --or just out of fear. The gun though is not practical
> >against a car,
>
> Its not?  Really?
>
> Guns have always worked fine for me against cars...well..the drivers.

Nowadays tinted windows require more than a bullet. It feels like
drivers are all in the mafia.

[Harry F. Leopold]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:28:55 -0500, Lookout wrote
(in article <pgj3n7dus24ptfsjq...@4ax.com>):

snip

>> Bottom line: the 'kid' was a giant football
>> player,
>
> 140 lbs is a "giant"? You must really be a little squirt to thing that

I am 6' 4" and 210 pounds, and I am considered a skinny guy at work. I used
to be 235 pounds for a time in the Navy and I still looked skinny.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)

³E=mC^(fuck you)³ - Doc Smartass

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:48:37 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleo...@coxyx.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:28:55 -0500, Lookout wrote
>(in article <pgj3n7dus24ptfsjq...@4ax.com>):
>
>snip
>
>>> Bottom line: the 'kid' was a giant football
>>> player,
>>
>> 140 lbs is a "giant"? You must really be a little squirt to thing that
>
>I am 6' 4" and 210 pounds, and I am considered a skinny guy at work. I used
>to be 235 pounds for a time in the Navy and I still looked skinny.

No shit. These NRA led lemmings are lying with every post.

[Ben Kaufman]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:

The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's state of mind,
it's the police, who seemed to accept Zimmerman's story without questioning it.
I don't think that "Stand your ground" applies when you go looking for trouble.

Ben

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:i902n75tn139i0o7j...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:23:09 -0500, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in
>>news:4f70caa9$0$5471$607e...@cv.net:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA02281CBA...@216.196.121.131...
>>>
>>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:jkou1f$o4j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/2012 10:11 PM, Quick Facts wrote:
>>>>> I think we know the answer to that now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been able to find anything substantiating the claim that
>>>> Trayvon Martin was six foot three inches tall. I only see
>>>> references in blogs and blog comments.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide evidence of Trayvon Martin's height at the time
>>>> of his death?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not right now, but I have seen the same thing. That Trayvon was 6'
>>> 3" and weighed about 140 pounds. I don't read blogs so it was a
>>> news article probably from NY Times, LA Times, ABC, MSNBC, or CBS.
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> Then at least he was not obese , according to Lookout.
>>>
>>> After all, HE said Arnold Schwarzenegger was "OBESE" when he was Mr.
>>> Olympia at 6' 250 lbs.
>>
> I never said that.

However, he was according to a BMI calculator.

>>I think Lookout is obese. You've seen his pictures.....of course, so
>>has everyone else on usenet.
>
> And you believed his lie.
> Why?
>

What lie was that?

--

My favorite animal: Steak!


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ma02n79fisngj2gla...@4ax.com:

Care to produce your proof of that "fact"?

[RD Sandman]

"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4f70e267$0$14246

$607e...@cv.net:

>
>
> "RD Sandman" wrote in message

> news:XnsA022930C2...@216.196.121.131...
>
> "Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4f70cbf2$0$1992

> $607e...@cv.net:
>
>>
>>
>> "RD Sandman" wrote in message

>> news:XnsA02283A9C...@216.196.121.131...
>>
>> Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
>> news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:

>>
>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>>> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>>
>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>>> win?
>>>
>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>
>>

>> It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.
>>

>> ^^^
>> So do you measure the height of that gun when Vertical, or Horizontal?
>
> Who cares?
>
>> My wife says I'm pretty tall when laying down on my back...and
excited.
>
> And Jay Leno claims that he cannot lie face down on the beach in Santa
> Monica since they have a law about holes more than 18 inches deep.
>
>
> ^^^^^
>
> Butt, that's because his chin is so strange.
>
>

Good point. ;)

[RD Sandman]

John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in

news:hpf2n758e4ojuro1j...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:42:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:usp1n7hgolheiuog7...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>>> <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>>>>quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>>>
>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who
would
>>>>> win?
>>>>
>>>>How tall was the gun?
>>>
>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
Florida
>>> (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with
one.
>>
>>
>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>kid walking down the street minding his
>>own business?
>
> A pity Gummer doesn't understand that "stand your ground" laws apply
> only when you are actually in danger,

This is true.

and in most states that have
> them, only on your own property.

This isn't. Stand your ground and Castle Doctrine are slightly
different. Castle Doctrine applies in your home, stand your ground
applies most anywhere. All stand your ground really does is add that
there is no requirement to retreat before defending yourself to standard
self defense laws.

And none of them apply when you are
> the aggressor. Zimmerman, who reportedly has a history of violent
> behavior, deliberately followed and confronted Martin despite a
> warning from police not to do so and ended up fatally shooting an
> unarmed seventeen year old kid he outweighed by at least fifty pounds.
> If that's self defense, I'll eat my hat. Without salt.

You may be right.....or those who claim that Zimmerman had broke off the
tail and was headed back to his truck to go meet the police when he was
attacked by Martin could be. I don't have any evidence in either
direction but I see a lot of claims by people who weren't there.

> If I'd been the officer in charge at the scene that night, Zimmerman
> would have been taken away in handcuffs.

A good possibility depending on what that officer saw at the scene.

[RD Sandman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:29p2n7dtvmm9fcu2e...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:56:32 -0500, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Brian E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote in
>>news:MPG.29da75bfe...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q4099...@reece.net.au>,
>>> quick...@barackobama.com says...
>>>
>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>>> win?
>>>
>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>
>>
>>It was a Kel-Tek 9mm. Don't know if it was a PF9 or P-11.
>
> PF9 according to the police report.

Thanks.

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:g722n7pq0n4uuulge...@4ax.com:

He was told he didn't need to do that by a 911 dispatcher. He was NOT
told NOT to by the police.

And
> then he got out of the car and approached the kid IN THE DARK. There's
> an excellent chance my reaction would be to put you on your ass too.
> This has NOTHING to do with "Stand your ground"

Actually, yes, it does. In your scenario, stand your ground would have
applied to Martin.

and EVERYTHING to do
> with stalking.
>

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA02365BD9...@216.196.121.131...

YOU'RE asking MR. Links-n-Facts for, how you say... "links and facts?"

[RD Sandman]

BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote in news:8746b43d-29f2-4a8f-
8c24-75d...@b14g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:

> Each time shown that Trayvon was a
> thug and a doper, each time the
> scamming liberals try to change the
> goalposts.
>
> Bottom line: the 'kid' was a giant football
> player,

Huh? He weighed 140 pounds!!! You are trying to make it appear he could
played for the New Orleans Saints. He quit football when he was 14 and
even then had only played Pop Warner or some other youth football.

> ...thrown out of school for dope.

He was suspended for remnants of MJ in a bag in his knapsack.

> He punched and tried to kill Zimmerman.
> I hope Zimmerman sues his family now.
>

[Uirgil]

In article
<8746b43d-29f2-4a8f...@b14g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Each time shown that Trayvon was an innocent!

`

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA023659B1...@216.196.121.131...

^^^^^
Bingo.
Lookout thinks the BMI calculator that HE provided us with a URL to, is
correct, no matter what.
So I just looked up any major body builder, (There's Arnold! begins with A)
and sure enough, He's shorter than me, weighs 60 pounds more, and
therefore, Arnold is "MORBIDLY OBESE" by Lookout's standard. .. using HIS
"Links and Facts!"

Lookout knows FAT, as he is made of 99.99% of the stuff.
Lookout's "muscle of love" however, is a mere leftover that won't work
without a "hand out." <-- Typical of a Liberal/Leftist :)

Ambien+Viagra+stump stupid fat chick in a nurses uniform while both on meds=
lookout!

[Scout]

"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:s4m3n7hkmd4fu8q4n...@4ax.com...

What evidence existed to contradict his story such that his arrest was
required?

What makes you think that his actions were blindly accepted and that no
investigation was conducted to see if his story was true or false?

> I don't think that "Stand your ground" applies when you go looking for
> trouble.

I'm not aware that he was looking for trouble, nor am I aware that he was
doing so at the time of the attack. What evidence do you have to support
either contention?

[John Baker]

True, I wasn't there and know only what I've read, but I admit I take
Zimmerman's claims with a grain or two of salt because, let's face it,
he has a vested interest in covering his arse.

Trayvon Martin wasn't an angel, but he didn't deserve to die at
seventeen.

[Berry Oakley]

"John Baker" wrote in message
news:6jv3n71ta15bsqcsn...@4ax.com...

^^^^^


At what age would you have preferred?

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Mar 28, 12:12 am, * US * wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 27, 8:33 pm, * US * wrote:
> >> He knows what he did was wrong.
>
> >Someone may be dead wrong and wrong alive.
>
> >In the jungle you pick the latter.
>
> Until he shoots you or your kid ...

The rap culture --prison culture brought to the street-- celebrates
the jungle where we live and we are all paying a price for it. I for
one get depressed by it more than intimidated. I'm talking about
LATINOS who also share the gangster culture. They are the reality in
my community, not blacks. But there are powerful voices out there
reflecting this and they are black:

'Bill Cosby was strongly criticized by many African Americans for his
call for Black introspection and the need to restore certain values in
the "Black Community" such as Black pride, putting a high value on
Education, Parenting and restoring the family, particularly regarding
the need for Fathers to return to their role. Yet, evidence before and
since suggests that Cosby was right. I think most Black folks know
full well that Cosby was right, but felt uncomfortable with being
slapped with reality. His arguments against the anti-intellectualism,
thuggery, and the degenerate values embraced by the Rap culture just
hit too close to home for a lot of people, and they were not ready to
hear it, not even from Cosby.'

http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-on-culture-why-cosby-was-right.html

***

I don't think this incident is the best example of racism out there.
Zimmerman is half Latin and they fare no better than blacks. The issue
of POOR VS. RICH is seldom reflected in this discussion. That would be
a wake-up call. The poor kids are given a "negative role model" and
they assume it. Why don't they turn to riding bikes --a better way to
feel good-- instead of trying looking to look tough? Sure, cycling
puts you at the bottom of the food chain, and that may be part of the
problem. Everybody is trying to be at the top and those without
education take to crime.

But that's only my humble opinion.


---------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

[Gunner Asch]

Actually..it depends on the bullet. 9mm tends to skid right off.
.45s..tend to cruise right through. And side windows simply evaporate.

Spend a Saturday shooting up an old car. Its an interesting learning
experince.

[Gunner Asch]

Looking for trouble. Oh..you mean what cops and neighborhood watch does?
Arnt they supposed to look for trouble? Burglars and whatnot are not
trouble?

As for "accepting Zimmermans story"...when the grand jury signs off on
it..you will suddenly change your tune and start bad mouthing the grand
jury.

Right?

Sometimes dolt..a spade is simply a spade.

[BroilJAB]

As we speak, RUSH is dishing the dirt
on thug Trayvon. He cheated the Electric
Chair.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:59:15 -0500, RD Sandman

YOUR words: After all, "HE said Arnold Schwarzenegger was "OBESE" when

he was Mr. Olympia at 6' 250 lbs."

I NEVER said he was.
YOU lied...or you lie so often you don't even know what a lie is
anymore.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:00:03 -0500, RD Sandman

The papers are simply reporting what was previously reported. It
happens all the time.

[Lookout]

Yes, you're right. And he would have a right to attack Zimmerman. So
it was Zimmerman who created the problem. We both agree on that.

> and EVERYTHING to do
>> with stalking.
>>

The kid was stalked, at night, by some idiot in a car.

[Berry Oakley]

"Lookout" wrote in message
news:oo34n7d9ho80soal7...@4ax.com...

^^^^^

So what YOU "compress" via the media is " FACT" all of a sudden?

Lookout? Yer a retard!

[Berry Oakley]

"Lookout" wrote in message
news:ml34n7d5vq93q0cff...@4ax.com...

^^^^^
YOU are a FUCKING retard, Lookout!

First of all, they were MY words, you retard.
Why?

Because YOU said that a person of a certain weight and height, using YOUR
BMI SCALE "LINK" was "MORBIDLY OBESE!"

YOU said RD was "MORBIDLY OBESE" _because_ of his weight and height!

I KNOW that you are a stump stupid retard, BECAUSE you "Filter" almost
everybody that proves you to be a STUMP STUPID RETARD!

Yet YOU keep RD, DuDu, and Judy(the drunk driver) at hand!

[JTEM]

Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So you are admitting to being racist.

You're making my point: Overplaying the "Race" card
while pretending it's everybody else that's racists...

See how much that helps you come November, racists
cunt.

[JTEM]

Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:

> The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's state of mind,
> it's the police,

I've pointed that out many times, elsewhere.

Without the perception that the police are white and therefore
incapable of acting unless it's out of racism, there is every
reason to believe that the police conducted a thorough
investigation and concluded that there was no crime.

You require a racists conspiracy in order to find fault with the
police and the investigation. No racism, no judging the police
based on your perception of them being white, and there is
nothing to this story.

Nothing.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jte...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's state of mind,
>> it's the police,
>
>I've pointed that out many times, elsewhere.
>
>Without the perception that the police are white and therefore
>incapable of acting unless it's out of racism, there is every
>reason to believe that the police conducted a thorough
>investigation and concluded that there was no crime.
>
>You require a racists conspiracy

I've already posted a story about a local cop being publicly racist.
Did you miss that???

[Berry Oakley]

"Lookout" wrote in message
news:tv54n7l2o15j8gvf7...@4ax.com...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jte...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's state of
>> mind,
>> it's the police,
>
>I've pointed that out many times, elsewhere.
>
>Without the perception that the police are white and therefore
>incapable of acting unless it's out of racism, there is every
>reason to believe that the police conducted a thorough
>investigation and concluded that there was no crime.
>
>You require a racists conspiracy

I've already posted a story about a local cop being publicly racist.
Did you miss that???

^^^^^^

Your "stories" are based on AMBIEN, Lookout!
Then when people respond to your lies, YOU FILTER EVERYBODY!

YOU are A retard!

[Ben Kaufman]

The evidence shows that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation and "Stand your
ground" should not have applied to him killing Martin.

>
>What makes you think that his actions were blindly accepted and that no
>investigation was conducted to see if his story was true or false?

The undisputed fact that despite Zimmerman being told "you don't need to do
that" by the police Zimmerman engaged Martin. If anything, "Stand your ground"
was applicable to Martin defending himself from the perceived danger that
Zimmerman was creating.

>
>
>> I don't think that "Stand your ground" applies when you go looking for
>> trouble.
>
>I'm not aware that he was looking for trouble, nor am I aware that he was
>doing so at the time of the attack. What evidence do you have to support
>either contention?
>

I think it's pretty obvious that when you try to confront someone you suspect of
being a criminal that your concerns for your own well being intensify.

Ben

[Lookout]

Agreed
And he's on the edge of a stalking charge

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ml34n7d5vq93q0cff...@4ax.com:

You stupid little tiddlywink. Twice in a row you have attributed a
statement to me that I hadn't made. Do you even understand what
attriutes are in a newsreader? Let me look........OH, yes....you are
using Agent.......you are that stupid.

> I NEVER said he was.
> YOU lied...or you lie so often you don't even know what a lie is
> anymore.

And you still have no idea who posted what you are responding to.
Perhaps you should drop your newsreader and go back to Outlook Express.
ROFLMAO!!!

[RD Sandman]

"Berry Oakley" <Allmanb...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4f71f576$0$14113
$607e...@cv.net:

Well, I want to see if he can back that up.

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:oo34n7d9ho80soal7...@4ax.com:

So? Prove that it came from Zimmerman. That is what you were asked for
since you adamantly stated that it was a fact that it did.

[RD Sandman]

John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in

news:6jv3n71ta15bsqcsn...@4ax.com:

Yep.

> Trayvon Martin wasn't an angel, but he didn't deserve to die at
> seventeen.

Nobody really does......however, that is not the criteria that cases are
decided on. They have come across with death penalty cases to defendents
as young as 12.

>>> If I'd been the officer in charge at the scene that night, Zimmerman
>>> would have been taken away in handcuffs.
>>
>>A good possibility depending on what that officer saw at the scene.
>

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ar34n7hhpe79qmhmd...@4ax.com:

No, we don't. You don't know what I believe. I have merely said that in
YOUR scenario you presented above that stand your ground would have
applied to Martin's side. We don't know for sure what scenario happened.
What we have is a little evidence, lots of hand wringing and a ton of
bullshit from both sides. I wasn't there....you weren't there....the
police were and, apparently a witness or two were. All else is pure
speculation fired up by one's beliefs in how they hope it went down.

>> and EVERYTHING to do
>>> with stalking.
>>>
> The kid was stalked, at night, by some idiot in a car.
>

[RD Sandman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:e724n7pvuskfh9p9o...@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:29:54 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 27, 3:00 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>>>
>>> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >I could not support the law of the jungle either since I ride a
>>> >bicycle. I've been attacked in situations where I may have used a
gun
>>> >in self defense --or just out of fear. The gun though is not
practical
>>> >against a car,
>>>
>>> Its not?  Really?
>>>
>>> Guns have always worked fine for me against cars...well..the drivers.
>>
>>Nowadays tinted windows require more than a bullet. It feels like
>>drivers are all in the mafia.
>
> Actually..it depends on the bullet. 9mm tends to skid right off.
> .45s..tend to cruise right through. And side windows simply evaporate.
>
> Spend a Saturday shooting up an old car. Its an interesting learning
> experince.

Yes, it is.

[RD Sandman]

Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tv54n7l2o15j8gvf7...@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jte...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's
>>> state of mind, it's the police,
>>
>>I've pointed that out many times, elsewhere.
>>
>>Without the perception that the police are white and therefore
>>incapable of acting unless it's out of racism, there is every
>>reason to believe that the police conducted a thorough
>>investigation and concluded that there was no crime.
>>
>>You require a racists conspiracy
>
> I've already posted a story about a local cop being publicly racist.
> Did you miss that???

Hmmmm, we have commented several times that you are being publically
stupid. Does that mean that everyone who posts is stupid?

[Uirgil]

In article
<e12c9845-185a-43f4...@j14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> As we speak, RUSH is dishing the dirt

> on murderer of Trayvon. He cheated the Electric
> Chair.

Got it right for once?

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote while ridiculing Lookout again message
news:XnsA023928BA...@216.196.121.131...

> My favorite animal: Steak!

My favorite seafood : from the sea!

So if fish is " brain food " does that mean Lookout is the bottom feeding
chicken of the sea?

[Berry Oakley]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message

news:XnsA0239260A...@216.196.121.131...

^^^^^

You’re a mere 73 years old now... or so you claim.

Do you think you CAN hold out for another 50 years before Lookout comes
forth with anything?

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:21:03 -0500, RD Sandman

I HAVE HIM FILTERED, old man.
EVERYONE knows who I was referring to.
Well..everyone except you.

>> I NEVER said he was.
>> YOU lied...or you lie so often you don't even know what a lie is
>> anymore.
>
>And you still have no idea who posted what you are responding to.
>Perhaps you should drop your newsreader and go back to Outlook Express.
>ROFLMAO!!!

You're just confused, old man.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:23:19 -0500, RD Sandman

Because that's the only place it has been reported.

Now..prove I'm wrong.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:24:19 -0500, RD Sandman

Ask them. We both know I'm right.

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:31:55 -0500, RD Sandman

YOU said "stand your ground would have applied to Martin."
I agree. You can't have TWO claiming that.

> I have merely said that in
>YOUR scenario you presented above that stand your ground would have
>applied to Martin's side.

And MY scenario is the only one that makes sense. Zimmerman was
STALKING the kid..following him for several blocks in AND got out of
his car (you can hear him huffing and puffing) and ZIMMERMAN
approached Martin. So only Martin can claim "Stand your ground" as
Zimmerman is the ATTACKER.

>We don't know for sure what scenario happened.
>What we have is a little evidence, lots of hand wringing and a ton of
>bullshit from both sides. I wasn't there....you weren't there....the
>police were and, apparently a witness or two were. All else is pure
>speculation fired up by one's beliefs in how they hope it went down.
>
>>> and EVERYTHING to do
>>>> with stalking.
>>>>
>> The kid was stalked, at night, by some idiot in a car.
>>

Watch. My scenario will be the one that actually happened.

I know this because I'm smarter that you are.

Watch and learn, old man.

(Well...maybe you can't learn at your age. You know..old dogs and new
tricks....)

[Lookout]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:35:50 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:tv54n7l2o15j8gvf7...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:30:53 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jte...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The claim of racism I am talking about is not about Zimmerman's
>>>> state of mind, it's the police,
>>>
>>>I've pointed that out many times, elsewhere.
>>>
>>>Without the perception that the police are white and therefore
>>>incapable of acting unless it's out of racism, there is every
>>>reason to believe that the police conducted a thorough
>>>investigation and concluded that there was no crime.
>>>
>>>You require a racists conspiracy
>>
>> I've already posted a story about a local cop being publicly racist.
>> Did you miss that???
>
>Hmmmm, we have commented several times that you are being publically
>stupid.

You? You're opinion?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

> Does that mean that everyone who posts is stupid?

Some..including but not limited to just you.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:54:53 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:

Initiated the violence? Really? Care to provide a cite to that
"evidence"?

>
>
>>
>>What makes you think that his actions were blindly accepted and that no
>>investigation was conducted to see if his story was true or false?
>
>The undisputed fact that despite Zimmerman being told "you don't need to do
>that" by the police Zimmerman engaged Martin. If anything, "Stand your ground"
>was applicable to Martin defending himself from the perceived danger that
>Zimmerman was creating.
>

Sp ot was Zimmerman who punched the kid in the face and smashed his head
on the ground, rather than the other way around?

Cites?

>>
>>
>>> I don't think that "Stand your ground" applies when you go looking for
>>> trouble.
>>
>>I'm not aware that he was looking for trouble, nor am I aware that he was
>>doing so at the time of the attack. What evidence do you have to support
>>either contention?
>>
>
>I think it's pretty obvious that when you try to confront someone you suspect of
>being a criminal that your concerns for your own well being intensify.
>
>Ben

Please answer the above questions

Gunner

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It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
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[Gunner Asch]

Im rather curious if any of the police were black?

If so..then the Leftards once again..shit in their messkits

[Mitchell Holman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:1sj4n7h8l1q8dmc7g...@4ax.com:

Try Zimmermans' own phone call to 911 where he
admits the kid was minding his own business, walking
down the sidewalk with a bag of groceries.

Who started the fight and why?

[J]

On 3/26/2012 9:27 PM, John Baker wrote:

>
> If I'd been the officer in charge at the scene that night, Zimmerman
> would have been taken away in handcuffs.
>
>

Nobody cares about your sexual fantasies, John-boy



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