Gun control in the UK

[slate_leeper]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-uk-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks

"UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures."





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[Dechucka]

"slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
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> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-uk-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks
>
> "UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
> terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures."

Or they could park a plane in a building.UK gun laws aren't about keeping
the place safe from terrorists

[max headroom]

In news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

No, UK gun laws are about keeping the place safe for terrorists.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
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What an idiotic statement. Do you actually think that US gun laws are
keeping the States safe from terrorists?

[max headroom]

In news:zKidne3kopXWFILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
> news:nvo0ru$n62$1...@dont-email.me...

>> In news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

>>> "slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eiqr1chh8djtmqe48...@4ax.com...

>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-uk-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks

>>>> "UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
>>>> terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures."

>>> Or they could park a plane in a building.UK gun laws aren't about
>>> keeping the place safe from terrorists

>> No, UK gun laws are about keeping the place safe for terrorists.

> What an idiotic statement....

You started it.

> ... Do you actually think that US gun laws are

> keeping the States safe from terrorists?

We haven't had any LEOs beheaded while standing watch.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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> In news:zKidne3kopXWFILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>> news:nvo0ru$n62$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>>> In news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>>>> "slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eiqr1chh8djtmqe48...@4ax.com...
>
>>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-uk-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks
>
>>>>> "UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
>>>>> terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures."
>
>>>> Or they could park a plane in a building.UK gun laws aren't about
>>>> keeping the place safe from terrorists
>
>>> No, UK gun laws are about keeping the place safe for terrorists.
>
>> What an idiotic statement....

Well no my comment wasn't idiotic

>
> You started it.
>
>> ... Do you actually think that US gun laws are
>> keeping the States safe from terrorists?
>
> We haven't had any LEOs beheaded while standing watch.

but you've had LEO shot while people armed with AR-15s ran away
>
>

[max headroom]

In news:48qdndDCqJRWE4LF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
> news:nvo2e5$sv6$1...@dont-email.me...

>> In news:zKidne3kopXWFILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

>>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nvo0ru$n62$1...@dont-email.me...

>>>> In news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

>>>>> "slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eiqr1chh8djtmqe48...@4ax.com...

>>>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-uk-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks

>>>>>> "UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
>>>>>> terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent
>>>>>> measures."

>>>>> Or they could park a plane in a building.UK gun laws aren't about
>>>>> keeping the place safe from terrorists

>>>> No, UK gun laws are about keeping the place safe for terrorists.

>>> What an idiotic statement....

> Well no my comment wasn't idiotic

I beg to differ.

>> You started it.

>>> ... Do you actually think that US gun laws are
>>> keeping the States safe from terrorists?

>> We haven't had any LEOs beheaded while standing watch.

> but you've had LEO shot while people armed with AR-15s ran away

Specify.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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Dallas 2016 11 officers down

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I would assume that the main reason for gun laws is to keep them away from
the bad guys. What other reason could there be? To keep them away from
the good guys? What makes you think they were only aimed at terrorists

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"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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One man with an AR15 and he did not want to be mistaken for one of the
shooters.

[max headroom]

In news:NdidnW3j57twD4LF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Who ran away? Why did they run?

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Was it one? I won't argue on the numbers but there were a 100 or so
pro-gunners there so I assume at least some of those were armed as well.
However my point to Max is made.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILF...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
>> news:eiqr1chh8djtmqe48...@4ax.com...
>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161104/despite-severe-gun-controls-u
>>> k-warns-of-terrorist-gun-attacks
>>>
>>> "UK law enforcement seems to have little doubt in the ability of
>>> terrorists and other criminals to bypass these stringent measures."
>>
>> Or they could park a plane in a building.UK gun laws aren't about
>> keeping the place safe from terrorists
>
> I would assume that the main reason for gun laws is to keep them away from
> the bad guys. What other reason could there be? To keep them away from
> the good guys?

Problem is that you don't get a certificate at birth stating GG or BG.
People can and do change between the categories.

> What makes you think they were only aimed at terrorists

I specifically stated they weren't

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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Most people because someone was shooting at them

>Why did they run?

because someone was shooting at them

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Yes, which is why we don't imprison them at birth.

>> What makes you think they were only aimed at terrorists
>
> I specifically stated they weren't

Must have missed it.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ONudnW8z59
_OBILFnZ2dn...@westnet.com.au:

Yes, he turned himself to the popo and was interviewed on the telly.

I won't argue on the numbers but there were a 100 or so
> pro-gunners

Probably, although I would bet you pulled that figure out of your ass.

there so I assume at least some of those were armed as well.
> However my point to Max is made.
>
>

[max headroom]

In news:TOadnc8rKvpOAYLF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Are you playing stupid or does it come naturally?

Which people armed with AR-15s ran away? Why did people armed with AR-15s run away?

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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and finished the day with a blast. Fact remains valid

>
> I won't argue on the numbers but there were a 100 or so
>> pro-gunners
>
> Probably, although I would bet you pulled that figure out of your ass.

I don't pull anything out of my donkey

However I can't find my original cite so I'll apologise and go with Wiki's
20-30

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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I answered your questions or can't you comprehend?

>
> Which people armed with AR-15s ran away? Why did people armed with AR-15s
> run away?

they ran away and didn't attempt to take out the perp because 1) the cops
would of shot them and/or 2) guns don't make you brave or able to react to a
threat

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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[max headroom]

In news:KfydnS1f2OFWIILF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Out of context.

>> Which people armed with AR-15s ran away? Why did people armed with
>> AR-15s run away?

> they...

Who?

> ... ran away and didn't attempt to take out the perp because 1) the cops

> would of shot them and/or 2) guns don't make you brave or able to react to a
> threat

So "they" acted wisely.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people armed with
AR-15s ran away" was correct and your comment "We haven't had any LEOs
beheaded while standing watch. " moronic

[max headroom]

In news:46udnZ4WAp6PnL3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

[crickets]

>>> ... ran away and didn't attempt to take out the perp because 1) the
>>> cops would of shot them and/or 2) guns don't make you brave or able
>>> to react to a threat

>> So "they" acted wisely.

> IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people armed

> with AR-15s ran away" was correct...

How do you figure? You haven't substantiated people with ARs ran away.

> ... and your comment "We haven't had any LEOs beheaded while standing watch. " moronic

It was a true statement.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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Not it wasn't, Lee Rigby wasn't a LEO. Of course the majority of those shot
in Dallas were LEOs, not sure if any of the 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights
activists who joined the protest march were shot

[max headroom]

In news:hoKdnYd58fyKgr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

> Not it wasn't, Lee Rigby wasn't a LEO....

Who said he was?

[Dechucka]

snip

>>> It was a true statement.
>
>> Not it wasn't, Lee Rigby wasn't a LEO....
>
> Who said he was?

You at 07.05 7/11/2016 AEST or were you referring to some other UK incident

[max headroom]

In news:S9adnUBePbXHrr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

I was referring to no UK incident. Pity your comprehension is so abysmal.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Let me correct your comment.

He turn himself in and didn't attempt to take out the perp because "...1)
the cops would of shot at him....). He went voluntarily to the police
who he heard were looking for him as a person of interest and got
interveiwed on camera afterwards.

There may well have been other people there who were armed but he was the
only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. That is why the police
were looking for him.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Mo., it wasn't. The person left the scene so that he wouldn't be shot
at. When he heard that the police had seen him on the video and were
looking for him, he went to them and identified himself.

and your comment "We haven't had any
> LEOs beheaded while standing watch. " moronic

Tell that to the one in the UK who was.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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What orifice did you pull that number from? Only one was shown on camera
and he ended up going to the popo when he heard that they were looking
for him.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Interesting that none except the one dude who went to the police were
shown on camera.

Let the record show that you have decided to go with Wiki and their
comment. Well, here it is:

About 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights activists joined the protest march,
some wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues, according to
Dallas Police Chief David Brown.[12][13][14][15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

See where it says what they were wearing........gas masks.....bulletproof
vests....and fatigues. I don't see the word "gun", "AR-15", "firearm",
etc. mentioned there. Seems you pulled that factoid of your ass.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Fair enough.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Go back look at what you wrote in the July 'Paris attack' thread

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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Sorry as we were posting about the UK I WRONGLY assumed you were referring
to Rigby rather then a random thought bubble about haven't had any LEOs
beheaded while standing watch. " My bad in assuming you were trying to make
a valid point

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Hey look you figured it out "Let the record show that you have decided to go

with Wiki and their
comment."

Only one was shown on camera
> and he ended up going to the popo when he heard that they were looking
> for him.

What was he carrying

[Dechucka]

snip

>>> So "they" acted wisely.
>>
>> IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people armed
>> with AR-15s ran away" was correct
>
> Mo., it wasn't. The person left the scene so that he wouldn't be shot
> at. When he heard that the police had seen him on the video and were
> looking for him, he went to them and identified himself.

So the armed person left the scene doing nothing to take out the murdering
perp. What was this bloke carrying?

>
> and your comment "We haven't had any
>> LEOs beheaded while standing watch. " moronic
>
> Tell that to the one in the UK who was.

or the 11 in Dallas where the armed bloke ran away

[Dechucka]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK your memory is coming back

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I haven't stated that it was 20-30 folks. If you think different, feel
free to produce it with proper attributions.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I didn't write any different then.

> OK your memory is coming back

It would help if this were addressed to who wrote it. I had not
referenced that piece from wiki until today.

> "" > IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people
> armed
>> with AR-15s ran away" was correct
>
> Mo., it wasn't. The person left the scene so that he wouldn't be shot
> at. When he heard that the police had seen him on the video and were
> looking for him, he went to them and identified himself. """
>
>>
>

That is correct.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Wiki's comment mentioned no one else with an AR-15. They stated "open
carry

> Only one was shown on camera
>> and he ended up going to the popo when he heard that they were
>> looking for him.
>
> What was he carrying

He wasn't part of the 20 -30 you referenced. He was alone both on the
telly and when he went to the popo and id'd himself. Even wiki mentions
no firearms in the article.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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What are you arguing now the number of open carry demonstrators or that a
least one was carrying a AR-15. Oh you know about that bloke with the long
arm as he left the scene and didn't help the cops.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> snip
>
>>>> So "they" acted wisely.
>>>
>>> IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people armed
>>> with AR-15s ran away" was correct
>>
>> Mo., it wasn't. The person left the scene so that he wouldn't be
>> shot at. When he heard that the police had seen him on the video and
>> were looking for him, he went to them and identified himself.
>
> So the armed person left the scene doing nothing to take out the
> murdering perp.

You have two sides shooting at each other....which one would you walk up
carrying an AR-15?

What was this bloke carrying?

Answered directly above and at other times.

>> and your comment "We haven't had any
>>> LEOs beheaded while standing watch. " moronic
>>
>> Tell that to the one in the UK who was.
>
> or the 11 in Dallas where the armed bloke ran away

He went to the police and identified himself when he learned that they
were looking for him. You are confusing two different references....one
in the UK and one in Dallas. You also seem to be confused on who posted
what.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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OK this covers both

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html

Texas has always prided itself on its vigorous exercise of the 2nd
Amendment. The state has long allowed the open carrying of rifles, and this
year it joined a majority of other states in allowing handgun owners to
carry their weapons openly.

But the presence of up to 30 people carrying rifles during a protest last
week at which 12 police officers were shot complicated law enforcement's
attempts to identify the gunman, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said
Monday.

The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests and gas
masks, police said.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Yep. One. Not 20 - 30.

Let me post from wiki:

"About 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights activists joined the protest march,
some wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues, according to
Dallas Police Chief David Brown.[12][13][14][15]"

No mention of AR-15s. What was mentioned was that they belonged to an
open carry group, They were wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and
fatigues. Even if you read it slow moving your lips and using your
finger, you won't find mention of AR-15 in that cite above.

The person I was referencing heard that the police were looking for him,
so he turned himself in and identified who he was and why he left the
immediate area. AFAIK, he was the only one on camera and he was shown
walking alone in the crowd, directly accompanied by no others. His AR-15
was strapped over his right shoulder. He said he left the scene because
he didn't want to get shot by either side.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Nope, you stated that 20-30 of them were armed and ran away per wiki.

or
> that a least one was carrying a AR-15.

Yes, one was. He was the one I mentioned. He was the one who turned
himself in when he was told the cops had him on video and were looking
for him. He had left earlier because he didn't want to get shot by
either side.

Oh you know about that bloke
> with the long arm as he left the scene and didn't help the cops.

Yes. I was the one who mentioned him when asked.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Interesting that none of them (other than the single guy we already
discussed) showed up on camera. Also interesting that wiki mentioned
the incident and what they were carrying with no mention of firearms.

> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
> and gas masks, police said.

Yes. As I mentioned to you more than once....no guns were mentioned in
regards to those 20 - 30 folks. Just what you (finally) stated above.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:36KdnRbkg_2aS73F...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>>> So "they" acted wisely.
>>>>
>>>> IMO yes. So my comment "but you've had LEO shot while people armed
>>>> with AR-15s ran away" was correct
>>>
>>> Mo., it wasn't. The person left the scene so that he wouldn't be
>>> shot at. When he heard that the police had seen him on the video and
>>> were looking for him, he went to them and identified himself.
>>
>> So the armed person left the scene doing nothing to take out the
>> murdering perp.
>
> You have two sides shooting at each other....which one would you walk up
> carrying an AR-15?
>
>
> What was this bloke carrying?
>
> Answered directly above and at other times.
>
>>> and your comment "We haven't had any
>>>> LEOs beheaded while standing watch. " moronic
>>>
>>> Tell that to the one in the UK who was.
>>
>> or the 11 in Dallas where the armed bloke ran away
>
> He went to the police and identified himself when he learned that they
> were looking for him. You are confusing two different references....one
> in the UK and one in Dallas. You also seem to be confused on who posted
> what.

Dallas 11 shot, open carry activist one, least armed with an AR-15 did
nothing. Police chief said others had long arms.

UK soldier stabbed and behead, on lookers did nothing

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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I'll quote you "There may well have been other people there who were armed

but he was the
only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. "

So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried.

You may want to look at the cite I posted earlier about what the police said
about the open-carry mob

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Learn to comprehend. Wiki was used to establish an acceptable to you number

>
> or
>> that a least one was carrying a AR-15.
>
> Yes, one was. He was the one I mentioned. He was the one who turned
> himself in when he was told the cops had him on video and were looking
> for him. He had left earlier because he didn't want to get shot by
> either side.
>
> Oh you know about that bloke
>> with the long arm as he left the scene and didn't help the cops.
>
> Yes. I was the one who mentioned him when asked.

So at least one at the scene armed with an AR 15 who didn't help. Makes
Max's comments about the UK rather stupid

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Also interesting that the local police cheif said this. Seems that the armed
civilians did 2/3 of 3/5s of bugger all. Showing that Max's original
statement was BS

>
>> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
>> and gas masks, police said.
>
> Yes. As I mentioned to you more than once....no guns were mentioned in
> regards to those 20 - 30 folks. Just what you (finally) stated above.

Well done you.

[max headroom]

In news:gMGdnT615aY7RL3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

> "RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA6B969B67...@216.166.97.131...

>> There may well have been other people there who were armed but he
>> was the only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. That is
>> why the police were looking for him.

> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried

Was it loaded?

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:nvqu0r$sn1$1...@dont-email.me...

LOL have you finally sunk that low in your ability to make an argument?

[max headroom]

In news:oqydnSV2CdJWZr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Just pointing out your ignorance-- OC activists usually advise OC protesters to NOT carry loaded
arms to protests.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6B98B3D3...@216.166.97.131...

See earlier cite

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:nvqus2$vdu$1...@dont-email.me...

Why?

[max headroom]

In news:R92dndJCZbU1Yr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
> news:nvqus2$vdu$1...@dont-email.me...

>> In news:oqydnSV2CdJWZr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

>>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nvqu0r$sn1$1...@dont-email.me...

>>>> In news:gMGdnT615aY7RL3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsA6B969B67...@216.166.97.131...

>>>>>> There may well have been other people there who were armed but he
>>>>>> was the only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. That is
>>>>>> why the police were looking for him.

>>>>> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried

>>>> Was it loaded?

>>> LOL have you finally sunk that low in your ability to make an
>>> argument?

>> Just pointing out your ignorance-- OC activists usually advise OC
>> protesters to NOT carry loaded arms to protests.

> Why?

Evil Gun Rays

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/17/gun-control-supporter-steals-concealed-carriers-gun-shoots/

You're welcome.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:nvr20r$dff$1...@dont-email.me...

> In news:R92dndJCZbU1Yr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>> news:nvqus2$vdu$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>>> In news:oqydnSV2CdJWZr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>>>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nvqu0r$sn1$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>>>>> In news:gMGdnT615aY7RL3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsA6B969B67...@216.166.97.131...
>
>>>>>>> There may well have been other people there who were armed but he
>>>>>>> was the only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. That is
>>>>>>> why the police were looking for him.
>
>>>>>> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried
>
>>>>> Was it loaded?
>
>>>> LOL have you finally sunk that low in your ability to make an
>>>> argument?
>
>>> Just pointing out your ignorance-- OC activists usually advise OC
>>> protesters to NOT carry loaded arms to protests.
>
>> Why?
>
> Evil Gun Rays

Rather stupid. How are they going to defend themselves and others?
>
> http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/17/gun-control-supporter-steals-concealed-carriers-gun-shoots/

I remember this candidate for a Darwin Award, so competent he couldn't
conceal or keep his weapon.

Anyhow it has nothing to do with your claim

[max headroom]

In news:9Kidndish_tCk7zF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Just shows you how noble they are-- they are willing to risk their lives to fight for their rights.

Being an Aussie, you wouldn't know about that.

>> http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/17/gun-control-supporter-steals-concealed-carriers-gun-shoots/

> I remember this candidate for a Darwin Award, so competent he couldn't
> conceal or keep his weapon.

Well, whaddayaknow? Australian keyboards DO have a period (.) key!

> Anyhow it has nothing to do with your claim

It supports it. Pity your comprehension is so abysmal.

[Dechucka]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message

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LOL nice one

>
> Being an Aussie, you wouldn't know about that.

You're ignorant but do have a great sense of humour

>
>>> http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/17/gun-control-supporter-steals-concealed-carriers-gun-shoots/
>
>> I remember this candidate for a Darwin Award, so competent he couldn't
>> conceal or keep his weapon.
>
> Well, whaddayaknow? Australian keyboards DO have a period (.) key!
>
>> Anyhow it has nothing to do with your claim
>
> It supports it. Pity your comprehension is so abysmal.

So you don't take loaded guns to demonstrations because the people who
attend them are incompetent with firearms. Sad

Anyhow I really wanted you to back up your claim of "OC activists usually

[max headroom]

In news:17idndZyq6myrbzF...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:

Too bad I didn't archive any of the emails going around back in the day. Ya see, it wasn't the
loony-tune gun grabbers who were worrisome, it was the few cops ignorant of the law who could make
life miserable and complicated. To this day, although open carry is legal in this state, doing so in
urban areas invites a shitstorm.

[Dechucka]

snip

>> So you don't take loaded guns to demonstrations because the people who
>> attend them are incompetent with firearms. Sad
>
>> Anyhow I really wanted you to back up your claim of "OC activists
>> usually advise OC protesters to NOT carry loaded arms to protests."
>
> Too bad I didn't archive any of the emails going around back in the day.
> Ya see, it wasn't the
> loony-tune gun grabbers who were worrisome, it was the few cops ignorant
> of the law who could make
> life miserable and complicated. To this day, although open carry is legal
> in this state, doing so in
> urban areas invites a shitstorm.

It may well be and for good reason but you've gone off on a tangent

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:hbadnRpsxKr6ZL3F...@westnet.com.au:

You figured it out.......good puppy.

Police chief said others had long arms.

You have yet to produce that he said that. It was not in wiki.

> UK soldier stabbed and behead, on lookers did nothing

Yep....you figured that one out, too, although I was not part of that
discussion.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:iq2dnVf__7GuZ73F...@westnet.com.au:

Let me refresh you on the use of English. ;) That statement..."There may
well have been other people that who were armed..." does not mean that
there was. It was a possibility.

but he was the
> only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. "

Yes, and when shown he was alone with the AR15 strap slung over his right
shoulder.

> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried.
>
> You may want to look at the cite I posted earlier about what the
> police said about the open-carry mob

Yes, it is right here:

"About 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights activists joined the protest
march, some wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues,
according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.[12][13][14][15]"

Mentioned in that cite (as I have had to point out to you more than once)
are "...gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues..." No mention of
firearms.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:hLidnQQbVtV9Z73F...@westnet.com.au:

And it did not claim that any of those 20 - 30 were carrying firearms.
It did mention gas masks, bulletproof vests and fatigues.

>> or
>>> that a least one was carrying a AR-15.
>>
>> Yes, one was. He was the one I mentioned. He was the one who turned
>> himself in when he was told the cops had him on video and were
>> looking for him. He had left earlier because he didn't want to get
>> shot by either side.
>>
>> Oh you know about that bloke
>>> with the long arm as he left the scene and didn't help the cops.
>>
>> Yes. I was the one who mentioned him when asked.
>
> So at least one at the scene armed with an AR 15 who didn't help.

Yes, one.....not 20 - 30 as you initially claimed.

> Makes Max's comments about the UK rather stupid

That is between you and Max. Why are trying so hard to drag me into it?

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:uvudncyAKpv6Zr3F...@westnet.com.au:

He stated (per wiki) that there were 20 - 30 there walking around in gas
masks, bullet proof vests and fatigues. No argument with that.

Seems that the
> armed civilians did 2/3 of 3/5s of bugger all. Showing that Max's
> original statement was BS
>>
>>> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
>>> and gas masks, police said.
>>
>> Yes. As I mentioned to you more than once....no guns were mentioned
>> in regards to those 20 - 30 folks. Just what you (finally) stated
>> above.
>
> Well done you.
>
>

[RD Sandman]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in

news:nvqu0r$sn1$1...@dont-email.me:

I don't know. The TV shot of him wasn't definitive in that way. It
appeared to have a magazine in it if I remember it correctly but one could
not tell if the magazine itself was loaded or not. I would, personally,
assume that it was not.

[RD Sandman]

"max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in

news:nvqus2$vdu$1...@dont-email.me:

That is correct.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:UfudnTfEyNv0Yr3F...@westnet.com.au:

Which one? None of the ones you have referenced have stated that the
magazine was loaded nor that 20 - 30 people were carrying AR-15s rather
than just gas masks, bulletproof vests or fatigues.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BA5D2FD...@216.166.97.131...

You should try to use multible sources for eg LA times interview with he
police cheif, up to 30 carrying long arms

snip

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BA5DA3C...@216.166.97.131...

but you'll argue about the comment that they were carrying long arms? Very
bizarre

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BA5E94...@216.166.97.131...

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html

Texas has always prided itself on its vigorous exercise of the 2nd
Amendment. The state has long allowed the open carrying of rifles, and this
year it joined a majority of other states in allowing handgun owners to
carry their weapons openly.

But the presence of up to 30 people carrying rifles during a protest last
week at which 12 police officers were shot complicated law enforcement's
attempts to identify the gunman, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said
Monday.

The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests and gas
masks, police said.

> None of the ones you have referenced have stated that the
> magazine was loaded nor that 20 - 30 people were carrying AR-15s rather
> than just gas masks, bulletproof vests or fatigues.

Now you're going with the strange carrying but not loaded argument

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BA5BBE7...@216.166.97.131...

I have but for our senior memory impared ng members

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html

Texas has always prided itself on its vigorous exercise of the 2nd
Amendment. The state has long allowed the open carrying of rifles, and this
year it joined a majority of other states in allowing handgun owners to
carry their weapons openly.

But the presence of up to 30 people carrying rifles during a protest last
week at which 12 police officers were shot complicated law enforcement's
attempts to identify the gunman, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said
Monday.

The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests and gas
masks, police said.

>

>> UK soldier stabbed and behead, on lookers did nothing
>
> Yep....you figured that one out, too, although I was not part of that
> discussion.

but you stock your head in so you are

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in
> news:nvqus2$vdu$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> In news:oqydnSV2CdJWZr3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>> "max headroom" <maximus...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nvqu0r$sn1$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>>> In news:gMGdnT615aY7RL3F...@westnet.com.au, Dechucka
>>>> <Dech...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsA6B969B67...@216.166.97.131...
>>
>>>>>> There may well have been other people there who were armed but he
>>>>>> was the only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. That is
>>>>>> why the police were looking for him.
>>
>>>>> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried
>>
>>>> Was it loaded?
>>
>>> LOL have you finally sunk that low in your ability to make an
>>> argument?
>>
>> Just pointing out your ignorance-- OC activists usually advise OC
>> protesters to NOT carry loaded arms to protests.
>
> That is correct.

Is it? Seems very stupid

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BA5CB33...@216.166.97.131...

There were and I have cited

>
>
> but he was the
>> only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. "
>
> Yes, and when shown he was alone with the AR15 strap slung over his right
> shoulder.
>
>> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried.
>>
>> You may want to look at the cite I posted earlier about what the
>> police said about the open-carry mob
>
> Yes, it is right here:
>
> "About 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights activists joined the protest
> march, some wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues,
> according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.[12][13][14][15]"
>
> Mentioned in that cite (as I have had to point out to you more than once)
> are "...gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues..." No mention of
> firearms.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:uPmdneyHFcuctr_F...@westnet.com.au:

You are the one making the fucking claim, you twit. Perhaps, you should
cite them in lieu of wiki which did NOT say what you did.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:buqdnYtVKNLatr_F...@westnet.com.au:

It wasn't listed among the rest in what you gave me as a cite. Either
produce or don't expect much further response.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:x7ydncqmaqrVs7_F...@westnet.com.au:

See how easy that was in lieu of your whining? You could have produced
it a few days ago, but, instead you relied on a wiki posting which didn't
say that.

> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
> and gas masks, police said.
>
>
>> None of the ones you have referenced have stated that the
>> magazine was loaded nor that 20 - 30 people were carrying AR-15s
>> rather than just gas masks, bulletproof vests or fatigues.
>
> Now you're going with the strange carrying but not loaded argument

Oh, bullshit. You must be going with the "I can't read with
comprehension so I will just muffle along argument". BTW, it fits you
well.

You made the claim that wiki said that.....it didn't. Then you waffled
for a few days and finally produced and references a LA Times article.
If you had done that in the first place things would have been better.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:G8qdnZeB-rQzs7_F...@westnet.com.au:

And thank you for producing it for the VERY FIRST TIME instead of that
wiki article which doesn't say that. You might be learning.

> Texas has always prided itself on its vigorous exercise of the 2nd
> Amendment. The state has long allowed the open carrying of rifles, and
> this year it joined a majority of other states in allowing handgun
> owners to carry their weapons openly.
>
> But the presence of up to 30 people carrying rifles during a protest
> last week at which 12 police officers were shot complicated law
> enforcement's attempts to identify the gunman, Dallas Police Chief
> David Brown said Monday.
>
> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
> and gas masks, police said.
>
>>
>>> UK soldier stabbed and behead, on lookers did nothing
>>
>> Yep....you figured that one out, too, although I was not part of that
>> discussion.
>
> but you stock your head in so you are

You posted the wiki article to me, you twit, not the one from the LA
Times. You want me to see a particular article, cite it or fuck off.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:iZSdnXYyTZ1As7
_FnZ2dnUU...@westnet.com.au:

Why? Some twit like you gets all fired up.

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:i-2dnfTfO8OAsr_F...@westnet.com.au:

Finally....after a week of prodding. Are you always that thick?

>> but he was the
>>> only one on camera shown to be carrying an AR15. "
>>
>> Yes, and when shown he was alone with the AR15 strap slung over his
>> right shoulder.
>>
>>> So cool we do have an AR-15 being open carried.
>>>
>>> You may want to look at the cite I posted earlier about what the
>>> police said about the open-carry mob
>>
>> Yes, it is right here:
>>
>> "About 20 to 30 open-carry gun rights activists joined the protest
>> march, some wearing gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues,
>> according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.[12][13][14][15]"
>>
>> Mentioned in that cite (as I have had to point out to you more than
>> once) are "...gas masks, bulletproof vests, and fatigues..." No
>> mention of firearms.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.ht
> ml

Finally.

> Texas has always prided itself on its vigorous exercise of the 2nd
> Amendment. The state has long allowed the open carrying of rifles, and
> this year it joined a majority of other states in allowing handgun
> owners to carry their weapons openly.
>
> But the presence of up to 30 people carrying rifles during a protest
> last week at which 12 police officers were shot complicated law
> enforcement's attempts to identify the gunman, Dallas Police Chief
> David Brown said Monday.
>
> The armed protesters also were wearing camo gear, bulletproof vests
> and gas masks, police said.
>
>

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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I have for , what is it 2 days now

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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read the LA times cite that gas been posted numerous times

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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[Dechucka]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:27adnS25bKER6L7F...@westnet.com.au...

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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[Dechucka]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I did you senile old fart on the 8th of Nov at 0747 AEDT, in fact iirc
you've replied to it before

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BB5818D...@216.166.97.131...

Hey I did you senile old fart on the 8th of Nov at 0747 AEDT, in fact you
replied to it at 0834 AEDT the same day

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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? How would anybody know if they were loaded or not so what difference does
it make.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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What do you mean finally? I posted this, you senile old fart, on the 8th of

[RD Sandman]

"Dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:Ss-
dnWfMMOfA6b7Fn...@westnet.com.au:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:z4CdnXyPsZS8HILFnZ2dnUU7-
dXN...@westnet.com.au,

I did and responded.

[Dechucka]

"RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA6BC591CC...@216.166.97.131...

I know