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Lou Bricano
Feb 3, 2024, 12:12:26 AMFeb 3
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On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [load of shit]
I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he is not is
not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as someone imagining
s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian is a mental illness. The
person is imagining something contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or
Martian, and no living human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People
imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
"As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do."
By Pamela Paul
Feb 02, 2024
Grace Powell was 12 or 13 when she discovered she could be a boy.
Growing up in a relatively conservative community in Grand Rapids, Mich.,
Powell, like many teenagers, didn’t feel comfortable in her own skin. She was
unpopular and frequently bullied. Puberty made everything worse. She suffered
from depression and was in and out of therapy.
“I felt so detached from my body, and the way it was developing felt hostile to
me,” Powell told me. It was classic gender dysphoria, a feeling of discomfort
with your sex. [*NOTE*: not "with your 'gender identity'"]
Reading about transgender people online, Powell believed that the reason she
didn’t feel comfortable in her body was that she was in the wrong body.
Transitioning seemed like the obvious solution. The narrative she had heard and
absorbed was that if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself.
At 17, desperate to begin hormone therapy, Powell broke the news to her parents.
They sent her to a gender specialist to make sure she was serious. In the fall
of her senior year of high school, she started cross-sex hormones. She had a
double mastectomy the summer before college, then went off as a transgender man
named Grayson to Sarah Lawrence College, where she was paired with a male
roommate on a men’s floor. At 5-foot-3, she felt she came across as a very
effeminate gay man.
At no point during her medical or surgical transition, Powell says, did anyone
ask her about the reasons behind her gender dysphoria or her depression. At no
point was she asked about her sexual orientation. And at no point was she asked
about any previous trauma, and so neither the therapists nor the doctors ever
learned that she’d been sexually abused as a child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
Psychiatrists and other doctors who deal with this bullshit are *all*
arch-proggies: they *completely* plug into proggie "identity politics." It
completely wrecks their claim to be "scientists." *Fuck* the "DSM-5" – this has
become completely politicized. Psychiatry and psychology, especially the latter
— always a 'weak' social science, aka poetry — are simply not scientific when it
comes to this stuff. They are taking sides, not scientifically, in a political
fight.
You keep saying that "gender affirming care" [gag-retch-puke] has been shown to
be the "best" way to treat "gender dysphoria." But this is something that is
only asserted, non-scientifically, by so-called "professionals" who have an
*ideological bias* to say that in the first place.
There is no "science" on this shit. It's pure politics. And meanwhile, *no one*
treating these people is ever trying to get to the root of *why* trannies think
they are of the opposite sex (not "gender"). "Gender identity" is not a
scientific concept. Sex is not "assigned" at birth — sex is *recorded* at birth.
"Intersex," an extremely rare condition, is not a "gender." But "intersex" is
not at the root of this bullshit about "gender identity." People who claim to
have a "gender identity" other than their *recorded* birth sex are either males
or females, not "intersex." Fuck off with "intersex" — this nonsense about
"transgender" has nothing to do with it.
A person who is born as male or female — that is, their *sex* — and who grows up
being treated as belonging to their *birth sex*, and who later develops the
belief — delusion — that they are of the "gender identity" *normally* associated
with the opposite sex, are suffering a mental illness.
I know you're gay, but why is "transgender" of such extreme importance to you?
> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [load of shit]
I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he is not is
not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as someone imagining
s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian is a mental illness. The
person is imagining something contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or
Martian, and no living human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People
imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
"As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do."
By Pamela Paul
Feb 02, 2024
Grace Powell was 12 or 13 when she discovered she could be a boy.
Growing up in a relatively conservative community in Grand Rapids, Mich.,
Powell, like many teenagers, didn’t feel comfortable in her own skin. She was
unpopular and frequently bullied. Puberty made everything worse. She suffered
from depression and was in and out of therapy.
“I felt so detached from my body, and the way it was developing felt hostile to
me,” Powell told me. It was classic gender dysphoria, a feeling of discomfort
with your sex. [*NOTE*: not "with your 'gender identity'"]
Reading about transgender people online, Powell believed that the reason she
didn’t feel comfortable in her body was that she was in the wrong body.
Transitioning seemed like the obvious solution. The narrative she had heard and
absorbed was that if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself.
At 17, desperate to begin hormone therapy, Powell broke the news to her parents.
They sent her to a gender specialist to make sure she was serious. In the fall
of her senior year of high school, she started cross-sex hormones. She had a
double mastectomy the summer before college, then went off as a transgender man
named Grayson to Sarah Lawrence College, where she was paired with a male
roommate on a men’s floor. At 5-foot-3, she felt she came across as a very
effeminate gay man.
At no point during her medical or surgical transition, Powell says, did anyone
ask her about the reasons behind her gender dysphoria or her depression. At no
point was she asked about her sexual orientation. And at no point was she asked
about any previous trauma, and so neither the therapists nor the doctors ever
learned that she’d been sexually abused as a child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
Psychiatrists and other doctors who deal with this bullshit are *all*
arch-proggies: they *completely* plug into proggie "identity politics." It
completely wrecks their claim to be "scientists." *Fuck* the "DSM-5" – this has
become completely politicized. Psychiatry and psychology, especially the latter
— always a 'weak' social science, aka poetry — are simply not scientific when it
comes to this stuff. They are taking sides, not scientifically, in a political
fight.
You keep saying that "gender affirming care" [gag-retch-puke] has been shown to
be the "best" way to treat "gender dysphoria." But this is something that is
only asserted, non-scientifically, by so-called "professionals" who have an
*ideological bias* to say that in the first place.
There is no "science" on this shit. It's pure politics. And meanwhile, *no one*
treating these people is ever trying to get to the root of *why* trannies think
they are of the opposite sex (not "gender"). "Gender identity" is not a
scientific concept. Sex is not "assigned" at birth — sex is *recorded* at birth.
"Intersex," an extremely rare condition, is not a "gender." But "intersex" is
not at the root of this bullshit about "gender identity." People who claim to
have a "gender identity" other than their *recorded* birth sex are either males
or females, not "intersex." Fuck off with "intersex" — this nonsense about
"transgender" has nothing to do with it.
A person who is born as male or female — that is, their *sex* — and who grows up
being treated as belonging to their *birth sex*, and who later develops the
belief — delusion — that they are of the "gender identity" *normally* associated
with the opposite sex, are suffering a mental illness.
I know you're gay, but why is "transgender" of such extreme importance to you?
Siri Cruise
Feb 3, 2024, 12:34:48 AMFeb 3
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Lou Bricano wrote:
> The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
And?
> The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
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Lou Bricano
Feb 3, 2024, 1:29:56 AMFeb 3
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On 2/2/2024 9:34 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> Lou Bricano wrote:
>> The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>
> And?
*And* that's mental illness — delusional belief. If you imagine yourself to be
> Lou Bricano wrote:
>> The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>
> And?
Napoleon or a giraffe, you are mentally ill.
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 7:04:44 AMFeb 3
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On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>
> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>
> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
NoBody
Feb 3, 2024, 9:43:51 AMFeb 3
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 21:12:23 -0800, Lou Bricano <l...@cap.con> wrote:
>On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
>I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
It gives him a chance to flex his psuedointellectualism of course.
>On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
>I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>
>Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he is not is
>not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as someone imagining
>s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian is a mental illness. The
>person is imagining something contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or
>Martian, and no living human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People
>imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>
>"As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do."
>
happens when you become an adult. People are being sold on the "take
the drugs. You can always stop them later". This simply is not true
once a person exits puberty.
NoBody
Feb 3, 2024, 9:46:19 AMFeb 3
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
part, they were wrong.
wrote:
>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [load of shit]
>>
>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>
>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>
>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
I haven't seen you address the article he posted.
>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [load of shit]
>>
>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>
>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>
>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
part, they were wrong.
pothead
Feb 3, 2024, 10:19:21 AMFeb 3
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Not so much with psychoanalysis.
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Governor Swill
Feb 3, 2024, 10:24:23 AMFeb 3
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
some shit
>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
<snip>
>. . . we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
Another good job of defining the issue. If your battery is 12 volts and your headlights
>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
are 6 volts, when you turn them on, they're going to explode. They are not compatible
systems.
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Feb 3, 2024, 2:48:39 PMFeb 3
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In article <qdmsri9t49miuolr3...@4ax.com>,
governo...@gmail.com says...
governo...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> some shit
> <snip>
> >. . . we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
> >for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
> >They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
> Another good job of defining the issue. If your battery is 12 volts and your headlights
> are 6 volts, when you turn them on, they're going to explode. They are not compatible
> systems.
>
> Swill
Here's hoping all the fake man and women explode.
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> some shit
> <snip>
> >. . . we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
> >for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
> >They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
> Another good job of defining the issue. If your battery is 12 volts and your headlights
> are 6 volts, when you turn them on, they're going to explode. They are not compatible
> systems.
>
> Swill
John Doe
Feb 3, 2024, 3:00:45 PMFeb 3
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jews back to Israel, and send the trans and niggers with them.
DIVERSITY FOR ISRAEL. Make America White Again!
And why are Jews allowed to suck baby penis?
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Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 3:10:08 PMFeb 3
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things, no man can possibly know what it actually is to be a woman.
The best he can help to do is imagine what it might be like. IOW
pretend. He can wear dresses and makeup and adopt effeminate
mannerisms all he wants but at most that makes him an ersatz
woman. If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
That is a mental health problem that is best treated by curing
the delusion, not reinforcing it. If you share his belief you
also are deluded.
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 3:38:29 PMFeb 3
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On 2/3/2024 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>
>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
>>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
>>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
>>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
>>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
>>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
>>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>
>> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
>> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
>> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
>> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
>> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
>> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
>> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
> No man is a woman.
You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
> On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>
>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
>>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
>>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
>>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
>>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
>>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
>>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>
>> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
>> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
>> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
>> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
>> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
>> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
>> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
> No man is a woman.
is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
> Lacking the biological background among other
> things, no man can possibly know what it actually is to be a woman.
> The best he can help to do is imagine what it might be like. IOW
> pretend. He can wear dresses and makeup and adopt effeminate
> mannerisms all he wants but at most that makes him an ersatz
> woman. If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
> That is a mental health problem that is best treated by curing
> the delusion, not reinforcing it. If you share his belief you
> also are deluded.
generally don't work.
Johnny
Feb 3, 2024, 3:54:35 PMFeb 3
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sex, but don't assume men are really women and let them compete
against women in sports.
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 4:06:22 PMFeb 3
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rights. There are good arguments both ways on sports and partial-birth
abortion. But, the Right uses them as wedge issues in order to weaken
overall trans and abortion rights.
Johnny
Feb 3, 2024, 4:19:12 PMFeb 3
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 13:06:13 -0800
I would like to know what the argument is about allowing men to
compete with women in sports.
About 0.5% of adults 18-24 identify as transgender, and 0.3% of
adults 65 and older identify as transgender.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state
compete with women in sports.
About 0.5% of adults 18-24 identify as transgender, and 0.3% of
adults 65 and older identify as transgender.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state
Skeeter
Feb 3, 2024, 5:26:30 PMFeb 3
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In article <upm882$39eam$1...@dont-email.me>, no...@nowhere.com says...
Pussy = Woman
>
> On 2/3/2024 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> > On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
> >>>
> >>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
> >>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
> >>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
> >>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
> >>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
> >>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
> >>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
> >>
> >> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
> >> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
> >> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
> >> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
> >> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
> >> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
> >> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
> >
> > No man is a woman.
>
> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
Dick = Man
> On 2/3/2024 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> > On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
> >>>
> >>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
> >>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
> >>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
> >>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
> >>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
> >>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
> >>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
> >>
> >> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
> >> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
> >> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
> >> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
> >> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
> >> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
> >> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
> >
> > No man is a woman.
>
> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
Pussy = Woman
Skeeter
Feb 3, 2024, 5:27:41 PMFeb 3
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In article <upm9sc$39mgv$1...@dont-email.me>, no...@nowhere.com says...
No men pretending to be a woman should play in womans sports. This is
settled.
settled.
pothead
Feb 3, 2024, 5:30:42 PMFeb 3
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USB Key = Man.
Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 5:50:09 PMFeb 3
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I note that you don't deny my analysis is correct.
Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 5:52:16 PMFeb 3
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have been segregated by biological sex and the deluded ones want to
change that to make it about their definition of gender.
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 6:28:02 PMFeb 3
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living one's social life consistent with your gender identity. Putting
it another way, it is what the doctor ordered.
However, there is also harm done to the integrity of women's sports. So,
there is a trade off that ought to depend on the level of competition
and whether the trans woman is reducing testosterone through drugs.
> About 0.5% of adults 18-24 identify as transgender, and 0.3% of
> adults 65 and older identify as transgender.
>
> https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 6:28:07 PMFeb 3
to
"folks aren't trying" is very lame. If "curing the delusion" worked,
those with gender dysphoria would be ecstatic (who wants to be a social
outcast when they can be cured of their "delusion"). The correct
conclusion from the failure to "cure the delusion" is it isn't a delusion.
Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 7:09:08 PMFeb 3
to
On 2/3/2024 4:27 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>
> Gender-affirming care is a treatment for gender dysphoria and includes
> living one's social life consistent with your gender identity. Putting
> it another way, it is what the doctor ordered.
>
Putting it the correct way, it's giving up on actual treatment.
>
> Gender-affirming care is a treatment for gender dysphoria and includes
> living one's social life consistent with your gender identity. Putting
> it another way, it is what the doctor ordered.
>
Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 7:22:34 PMFeb 3
to
and sometimes impossible to treat. It has nothing to do with
the correctness of the diagnosis itself.
> And "folks aren't trying" is very lame. If "curing the delusion"
> worked, those with gender dysphoria would be ecstatic
But it DOES often work. Of course it doesn't work when you
don't even try which is often the case.
> (who wants to be a social outcast when they can be cured of their "delusion").
>
"in your face" about it. People who just go quietly living
their lives without opening flaunting their aberrant sexuality
do not become social outcasts.
> The correct conclusion from the failure to "cure the delusion"
> is it isn't a delusion.
The correct conclusion from failure to cure post-traumatic
stress disorder is it isn't really PTSD.
The correct conclusion from failure to cure a psychosis is
it isn't really psychosis.
The correct conclusion from failure to cure depression is
it isn't really depression.
The correct conclusion from failure to cure cancer is
it isn't really cancer.
The correct conclusion from failure to cure blindness is it
really isn't blindness.
Siri Cruise
Feb 3, 2024, 7:26:12 PMFeb 3
to
Johnny wrote:
> Then let them mutilate themselves trying to turn into the opposite
> sex, but don't assume men are really women and let them compete
> against women in sports.
>
Why do you assume men are men and women are women?
> Then let them mutilate themselves trying to turn into the opposite
> sex, but don't assume men are really women and let them compete
> against women in sports.
>
What do you say about women are unsuccessful at having children
only to discover in adulthood they are what you claim are men?
Siri Cruise
Feb 3, 2024, 7:33:09 PMFeb 3
to
pothead wrote:
>>> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>>> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
>> Dick = Man
>> Pussy = Woman
> USB Port = Woman.
> USB Key = Man.
>
So you ignore chromosomes? Is a pregnant XY female just a woman?
>>> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>>> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
>> Dick = Man
>> Pussy = Woman
> USB Port = Woman.
> USB Key = Man.
>
Is an XX male just a man? How do sports people decide who is male
or female if you ignore chromosomes?
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 3, 2024, 7:38:55 PMFeb 3
to
On 2/3/2024 4:22 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 4:27 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
{snip}
> On 2/3/2024 4:27 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> And "folks aren't trying" is very lame. If "curing the delusion"
>> worked, those with gender dysphoria would be ecstatic
>
> But it DOES often work. Of course it doesn't work when you
> don't even try which is often the case.
>> (who wants to be a social outcast when they can be cured of their
>> "delusion").
> >
> The only way such folks become social outcasts is to be openly
> "in your face" about it. People who just go quietly living
> their lives without opening flaunting their aberrant sexuality
> do not become social outcasts.
viewed as being mentally ill. But, efforts to cure them didn't work even
though they would happily accept such a cure (it wasn't because they
didn't try). In the end, society accepted that being gay is a trait that
is very resistant to change and not a mentally-ill behavior.
>> The correct conclusion from the failure to "cure the delusion"
>> is it isn't a delusion.
>
> That's absurd "logic." Let's apply it to other situations.
> The correct conclusion from failure to cure post-traumatic
> stress disorder is it isn't really PTSD.
> The correct conclusion from failure to cure a psychosis is
> it isn't really psychosis.
> The correct conclusion from failure to cure depression is
> it isn't really depression.
> The correct conclusion from failure to cure cancer is
> it isn't really cancer.
> The correct conclusion from failure to cure blindness is it
> really isn't blindness.
others think are a trait.
Governor Swill
Feb 3, 2024, 9:39:59 PMFeb 3
to
On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 13:10:04 -0700, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
> If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
That's a common falsehood among conservatives. As Josh pointed out, sometimes the parts
> If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
don't match each other.
Governor Swill
Feb 3, 2024, 9:40:52 PMFeb 3
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Governor Swill
Feb 3, 2024, 9:42:04 PMFeb 3
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:30:39 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>USB Port = Woman.
>USB Key = Man.
Hey! My USB Key software is for a USB PORT!
>USB Port = Woman.
>USB Key = Man.
Just Wondering
Feb 3, 2024, 11:23:42 PMFeb 3
to
On 2/3/2024 5:33 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>>>> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>>>> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
>>> Dick = Man
>>> Pussy = Woman
>> USB Port = Woman.
>> USB Key = Man.
>
> So you ignore chromosomes? Is a pregnant XY female just a woman?
> Is an XX male just a man?
>
It looks like you're the one ignoring chromosomes.
> pothead wrote:
>>>> You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>>>> is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
>>> Dick = Man
>>> Pussy = Woman
>> USB Port = Woman.
>> USB Key = Man.
>
> So you ignore chromosomes? Is a pregnant XY female just a woman?
> Is an XX male just a man?
>
There are no pregnant XY people. XY is biological male. XY cannot
become pregnant because they lack a uterus.
There are no XX males. XX is biological female.
> How do sports people decide who is male or female if you ignore chromosomes?
>
the Crocodile Dundee method.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6fgPX3NjyA&pp=ygUdY3JvY29kaWxlIGR1bmRlZSB0aGF0J3MgYSBtYW4%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHTPLpY8mBI&pp=ygUdY3JvY29kaWxlIGR1bmRlZSB0aGF0J3MgYSBtYW4%3D
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 4, 2024, 12:15:14 AMFeb 4
to
On 2/3/2024 8:23 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>
>>>> Dick = Man
>>>> Pussy = Woman
>>> USB Port = Woman.
>>> USB Key = Man.
>>
>> So you ignore chromosomes? Is a pregnant XY female just a woman? Is
>> an XX male just a man?
> >
> It looks like you're the one ignoring chromosomes.
Skeeter and pothead used phenotype to determine who is male and female.
>
>>>> Dick = Man
>>>> Pussy = Woman
>>> USB Port = Woman.
>>> USB Key = Man.
>>
>> So you ignore chromosomes? Is a pregnant XY female just a woman? Is
>> an XX male just a man?
> >
> It looks like you're the one ignoring chromosomes.
Thus, they ignored chromosomes.
> There are no pregnant XY people. XY is biological male. XY cannot
> become pregnant because they lack a uterus.
> There are no XX males. XX is biological female.
The problem remains you are begging the question by *assuming*
chromosomes define what a male and female is. And Skeeter and pothead
also beg the question by *assuming* genitalia define what a male and
female is.
max headroom
Feb 4, 2024, 3:10:49 AMFeb 4
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In news:upm9sc$39mgv$1...@dont-email.me, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> typed:
> ...Sports is to trans rights what partial-birth abortion is to abortion
Wrong.
> ...Sports is to trans rights what partial-birth abortion is to abortion
> rights. There are good arguments both ways on sports and partial-birth
> abortion....
Wrong.
Governor Swill
Feb 4, 2024, 5:34:04 AMFeb 4
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:23:38 -0700, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>It looks like you're the one ignoring chromosomes.
>There are no pregnant XY people. XY is biological male. XY cannot
>become pregnant because they lack a uterus.
Turns out you're wrong.
>It looks like you're the one ignoring chromosomes.
>There are no pregnant XY people. XY is biological male. XY cannot
>become pregnant because they lack a uterus.
"Can a person with a Y chromosome give birth to a child?"
"Yes, it is possible for someone with a Y chromosome to become pregnant and give birth to
a child. But it's extremely rare."
<https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2010/ask352/>
Searched: "xy people getting pregnant"
Lots of pages with lots of information that all boils down to one fact: Male/female is
not as cut and dry as we have thought.
Swill
NP: R.E.M. - Shiny, Happy People
Skeeter
Feb 4, 2024, 11:12:57 AMFeb 4
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when he was being Alice.
https://postimg.cc/Hr9p1W2k
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:24:05 AMFeb 4
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 15:19:18 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-03, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>>>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [load of shit]
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>>
>>
>> Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
>> part, they were wrong.
>
>Follow the money as well.
>There is a huge amount of money to be made butchering children.
>Not so much with psychoanalysis.
There is some truth to what you say. They get money before, during
and after their whole transition. Then they get the extra bonus of
collecting fees AFTER they've come to their senses and regret the
decision.
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-03, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [load of shit]
>>>>
>>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>>>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>>>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>>>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>>>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>>>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>>
>>>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>>>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>>>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>>>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>>>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>>>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>>>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>>
>> I haven't seen you address the article he posted.
>>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>>>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>>>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>>>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>>>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>>>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>>
>>>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>>>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>>>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>>>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>>>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>>>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>>>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>>
>>
>> Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
>> part, they were wrong.
>
>Follow the money as well.
>There is a huge amount of money to be made butchering children.
>Not so much with psychoanalysis.
There is some truth to what you say. They get money before, during
and after their whole transition. Then they get the extra bonus of
collecting fees AFTER they've come to their senses and regret the
decision.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:29:20 AMFeb 4
to
On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 12:38:19 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
>On 2/3/2024 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
>>>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
>>>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
>>>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
>>>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
>>>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
>>>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>>
>>> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
>>> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
>>> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
>>> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
>>> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
>>> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
>>> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>>
>> No man is a woman.
>
>You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
Now it's the psuedointellectual mode.
>
>> Lacking the biological background among other
>> things, no man can possibly know what it actually is to be a woman.
>> The best he can help to do is imagine what it might be like. IOW
>> pretend. He can wear dresses and makeup and adopt effeminate
>> mannerisms all he wants but at most that makes him an ersatz
>> woman. If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
>> That is a mental health problem that is best treated by curing
>> the delusion, not reinforcing it. If you share his belief you
>> also are deluded.
>
>The problem with your conclusion is attempts to cure the delusion
>generally don't work.
How does forcing society to accept their delusion help SOCIETY? You
have a great deal of "compassion" for the mentally ill but don't seem
to care about the rest of society.
wrote:
>On 2/3/2024 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 5:04 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something
>>>> s/he is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the
>>>> same as someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or
>>>> a Martian is a mental illness. The person is imagining something
>>>> contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living
>>>> human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining
>>>> themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>>
>>> Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical
>>> results is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will
>>> change your mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a
>>> person with gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they
>>> are not. Instead, we would conclude there are three different
>>> legitimate bases for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype
>>> and cerebrotype. They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>>
>> No man is a woman.
>
>You are begging the question what "man" and "woman" mean by assuming it
>is genotype or phenotype (I'm not sure which one you assumed).
>
>> Lacking the biological background among other
>> things, no man can possibly know what it actually is to be a woman.
>> The best he can help to do is imagine what it might be like. IOW
>> pretend. He can wear dresses and makeup and adopt effeminate
>> mannerisms all he wants but at most that makes him an ersatz
>> woman. If he actually believes he is a woman, he is deluded.
>> That is a mental health problem that is best treated by curing
>> the delusion, not reinforcing it. If you share his belief you
>> also are deluded.
>
>The problem with your conclusion is attempts to cure the delusion
>generally don't work.
have a great deal of "compassion" for the mentally ill but don't seem
to care about the rest of society.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:35:09 AMFeb 4
to
On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 13:06:13 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
Wow..talk about terrible analogies. What is wrong with you dude?
>rights. There are good arguments both ways on sports and partial-birth
>abortion. But, the Right uses them as wedge issues in order to weaken
>overall trans and abortion rights.
Are you claiming trans is a wedge issue? It's not a "wedge issue"
when the entirety of society must redefine its entire language,
sports, and entire reality to accommodate mentally ill people....
I'm speechless as to where you're going with this topic.
>rights. There are good arguments both ways on sports and partial-birth
>abortion. But, the Right uses them as wedge issues in order to weaken
>overall trans and abortion rights.
when the entirety of society must redefine its entire language,
sports, and entire reality to accommodate mentally ill people....
I'm speechless as to where you're going with this topic.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:37:43 AMFeb 4
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everyone to accept it. One wonders if that philosophy extends to
peds.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:43:19 AMFeb 4
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 15:27:52 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
The doctor ordered that the entirety of society must accept the
mentally ill delusions as normal??? Time for new doctors...
>
>However, there is also harm done to the integrity of women's sports. So,
>there is a trade off that ought to depend on the level of competition
>and whether the trans woman is reducing testosterone through drugs.
Ignoring the forcing of women being forced to share bathrooms and
showers with men I see...
Why is the mental health of the small minority of people more
important to you than that of the society as a whole? Another answer
is needed if other people are being harmed by the actions of a
minority.
>
>> About 0.5% of adults 18-24 identify as transgender, and 0.3% of
>> adults 65 and older identify as transgender.
>>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state
>
>Thanks. Good to know those numbers.
And yet it's all over the place because it's now a fad with the youth.
Congrats. Your "solution" has made the problem bigger.
mentally ill delusions as normal??? Time for new doctors...
>
>However, there is also harm done to the integrity of women's sports. So,
>there is a trade off that ought to depend on the level of competition
>and whether the trans woman is reducing testosterone through drugs.
showers with men I see...
Why is the mental health of the small minority of people more
important to you than that of the society as a whole? Another answer
is needed if other people are being harmed by the actions of a
minority.
>
>> About 0.5% of adults 18-24 identify as transgender, and 0.3% of
>> adults 65 and older identify as transgender.
>>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state
>
>Thanks. Good to know those numbers.
Congrats. Your "solution" has made the problem bigger.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:49:21 AMFeb 4
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:38:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
That response is weak, even for you "Josh". Let's take yet another
example and I'll use your logic.
Peds: the vast majority think it's a mental illness, while some
believe it's a trait.
Well "Josh" will you now demand that we accept peds as normal?
Show us that you're consistent.
wrote:
example and I'll use your logic.
Peds: the vast majority think it's a mental illness, while some
believe it's a trait.
Well "Josh" will you now demand that we accept peds as normal?
Show us that you're consistent.
NoBody
Feb 4, 2024, 11:52:05 AMFeb 4
to
On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 09:46:16 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [load of shit]
>On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 04:04:32 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2/2/2024 9:12 PM, Lou Bricano wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [load of shit]
>>>
>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>
>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>
>>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
>>> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>>>
>>> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he
>>> is not is not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as
>>> someone imagining s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian
>>> is a mental illness. The person is imagining something contrary to fact.
>>> No human is a giraffe or Martian, and no living human possibly can be
>>> Napoleon or Josephine. People imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>>
>>Since you have already concluded that the research into clinical results
>>is political bullshit, nothing anyone can say to you will change your
>>mind. But those of us who accept the research conclude a person with
>>gender dysphoria isn't imagining they are something they are not.
>>Instead, we would conclude there are three different legitimate bases
>>for what "man" or "woman" means: genotype, phenotype and cerebrotype.
>>They almost always agree, but sometimes they do not.
>
>I haven't seen you address the article he posted.
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>
>
>Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
>part, they were wrong.
More facts Josh hides from.
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>
>
>Remember, "experts" told us about what to with Covid. For a large
>part, they were wrong.
Josh Rosenbluth
Feb 4, 2024, 12:05:47 PMFeb 4
to
On 2/4/2024 8:49 AM, NoBody wrote:
{snip}
> Peds: the vast majority think it's a mental illness, while some
> believe it's a trait.
>
> Well "Josh" will you now demand that we accept peds as normal?
Pedophilia is a trait, but acting on it harms others, and is thus
unacceptable.
{snip}
> Peds: the vast majority think it's a mental illness, while some
> believe it's a trait.
>
> Well "Josh" will you now demand that we accept peds as normal?
unacceptable.
John Doe
Feb 4, 2024, 12:23:05 PMFeb 4
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It's actually the JEWS that we want shipped back to Israel. Trans can go there
too, along with the niggers! DIVERSITY FOR ISRAEL!!!
Why are JEWS allowed to suck baby penis?
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618
www.gtvflyers.com
www.goyimtv.com
On Feb 3, 2024 at 12:12:23 AM EST, "Lou Bricano" <l...@cap.con> wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>
> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he is not
> is
> not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as someone imagining
> s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian is a mental illness. The
> person is imagining something contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or
> Martian, and no living human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People
> imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>
> "As Kids, They Thought They Were Trans. They No Longer Do."
>
> By Pamela Paul
> Feb 02, 2024
>
> Grace Powell was 12 or 13 when she discovered she could be a boy.
>
> Growing up in a relatively conservative community in Grand Rapids, Mich.,
> Powell, like many teenagers, didn’t feel comfortable in her own skin. She was
> unpopular and frequently bullied. Puberty made everything worse. She suffered
> from depression and was in and out of therapy.
>
> “I felt so detached from my body, and the way it was developing felt hostile to
> me,” Powell told me. It was classic gender dysphoria, a feeling of discomfort
> with your sex. [*NOTE*: not "with your 'gender identity'"]
>
> Reading about transgender people online, Powell believed that the reason she
> didn’t feel comfortable in her body was that she was in the wrong body.
> Transitioning seemed like the obvious solution. The narrative she had heard and
> absorbed was that if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself.
>
> At 17, desperate to begin hormone therapy, Powell broke the news to her
> parents.
> They sent her to a gender specialist to make sure she was serious. In the fall
> of her senior year of high school, she started cross-sex hormones. She had a
> double mastectomy the summer before college, then went off as a transgender man
> named Grayson to Sarah Lawrence College, where she was paired with a male
> roommate on a men’s floor. At 5-foot-3, she felt she came across as a very
> effeminate gay man.
>
> At no point during her medical or surgical transition, Powell says, did anyone
> ask her about the reasons behind her gender dysphoria or her depression. At no
> point was she asked about her sexual orientation. And at no point was she asked
> about any previous trauma, and so neither the therapists nor the doctors ever
> learned that she’d been sexually abused as a child.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>
> Psychiatrists and other doctors who deal with this bullshit are *all*
> arch-proggies: they *completely* plug into proggie "identity politics." It
> completely wrecks their claim to be "scientists." *Fuck* the "DSM-5" – this has
> become completely politicized. Psychiatry and psychology, especially the latter
> — always a 'weak' social science, aka poetry — are simply not scientific when
> it
> comes to this stuff. They are taking sides, not scientifically, in a political
> fight.
>
> You keep saying that "gender affirming care" [gag-retch-puke] has been shown to
> be the "best" way to treat "gender dysphoria." But this is something that is
> only asserted, non-scientifically, by so-called "professionals" who have an
> *ideological bias* to say that in the first place.
>
> There is no "science" on this shit. It's pure politics. And meanwhile, *no one*
> treating these people is ever trying to get to the root of *why* trannies think
> they are of the opposite sex (not "gender"). "Gender identity" is not a
> scientific concept. Sex is not "assigned" at birth — sex is *recorded* at
> birth.
> "Intersex," an extremely rare condition, is not a "gender." But "intersex" is
> not at the root of this bullshit about "gender identity." People who claim to
> have a "gender identity" other than their *recorded* birth sex are either males
> or females, not "intersex." Fuck off with "intersex" — this nonsense about
> "transgender" has nothing to do with it.
>
> A person who is born as male or female — that is, their *sex* — and who grows
> up
> being treated as belonging to their *birth sex*, and who later develops the
> belief — delusion — that they are of the "gender identity" *normally*
> associated
> with the opposite sex, are suffering a mental illness.
>
> I know you're gay, but why is "transgender" of such extreme importance to you?
too, along with the niggers! DIVERSITY FOR ISRAEL!!!
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On Feb 3, 2024 at 12:12:23 AM EST, "Lou Bricano" <l...@cap.con> wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 8:10 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 5:53 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:32:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [load of shit]
>
> I have never understood why this topic has become your hobby horse.
>
> Why do you keep insisting that someone imagining s/he's something s/he is not
> is
> not mental illness? It is mental illness, exactly the same as someone imagining
> s/he is Napoleon/Josephine or a giraffe or a Martian is a mental illness. The
> person is imagining something contrary to fact. No human is a giraffe or
> Martian, and no living human possibly can be Napoleon or Josephine. People
> imagining themselves to be are mentally ill.
>
>
> By Pamela Paul
> Feb 02, 2024
>
> Grace Powell was 12 or 13 when she discovered she could be a boy.
>
> Growing up in a relatively conservative community in Grand Rapids, Mich.,
> Powell, like many teenagers, didn’t feel comfortable in her own skin. She was
> unpopular and frequently bullied. Puberty made everything worse. She suffered
> from depression and was in and out of therapy.
>
> “I felt so detached from my body, and the way it was developing felt hostile to
> me,” Powell told me. It was classic gender dysphoria, a feeling of discomfort
> with your sex. [*NOTE*: not "with your 'gender identity'"]
>
> Reading about transgender people online, Powell believed that the reason she
> didn’t feel comfortable in her body was that she was in the wrong body.
> Transitioning seemed like the obvious solution. The narrative she had heard and
> absorbed was that if you don’t transition, you’ll kill yourself.
>
> At 17, desperate to begin hormone therapy, Powell broke the news to her
> parents.
> They sent her to a gender specialist to make sure she was serious. In the fall
> of her senior year of high school, she started cross-sex hormones. She had a
> double mastectomy the summer before college, then went off as a transgender man
> named Grayson to Sarah Lawrence College, where she was paired with a male
> roommate on a men’s floor. At 5-foot-3, she felt she came across as a very
> effeminate gay man.
>
> At no point during her medical or surgical transition, Powell says, did anyone
> ask her about the reasons behind her gender dysphoria or her depression. At no
> point was she asked about her sexual orientation. And at no point was she asked
> about any previous trauma, and so neither the therapists nor the doctors ever
> learned that she’d been sexually abused as a child.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?searchResultPosition=2
>
> Psychiatrists and other doctors who deal with this bullshit are *all*
> arch-proggies: they *completely* plug into proggie "identity politics." It
> completely wrecks their claim to be "scientists." *Fuck* the "DSM-5" – this has
> become completely politicized. Psychiatry and psychology, especially the latter
> — always a 'weak' social science, aka poetry — are simply not scientific when
> it
> comes to this stuff. They are taking sides, not scientifically, in a political
> fight.
>
> You keep saying that "gender affirming care" [gag-retch-puke] has been shown to
> be the "best" way to treat "gender dysphoria." But this is something that is
> only asserted, non-scientifically, by so-called "professionals" who have an
> *ideological bias* to say that in the first place.
>
> There is no "science" on this shit. It's pure politics. And meanwhile, *no one*
> treating these people is ever trying to get to the root of *why* trannies think
> they are of the opposite sex (not "gender"). "Gender identity" is not a
> scientific concept. Sex is not "assigned" at birth — sex is *recorded* at
> birth.
> "Intersex," an extremely rare condition, is not a "gender." But "intersex" is
> not at the root of this bullshit about "gender identity." People who claim to
> have a "gender identity" other than their *recorded* birth sex are either males
> or females, not "intersex." Fuck off with "intersex" — this nonsense about
> "transgender" has nothing to do with it.
>
> A person who is born as male or female — that is, their *sex* — and who grows
> up
> being treated as belonging to their *birth sex*, and who later develops the
> belief — delusion — that they are of the "gender identity" *normally*
> associated
> with the opposite sex, are suffering a mental illness.
>
> I know you're gay, but why is "transgender" of such extreme importance to you?
Just Wondering
Feb 4, 2024, 2:59:53 PMFeb 4
to
of chromosomes and genitalia. Rational people accept those
definitions.
Siri Cruise
Feb 4, 2024, 3:06:49 PMFeb 4
to
of chromosomes and genitalia.
Just Wondering
Feb 4, 2024, 4:14:25 PMFeb 4
to
by declaring "I am a woman."
Siri Cruise
Feb 4, 2024, 4:18:54 PMFeb 4
t