Re: Internet café accidental shooting, Florida
Kurt Nicklas
> The right to bear arms anywhere?
>
> ****
>
> Woman Accidentally Shot And Killed
> By
> Sam Jordan
>
> @ October 19, 2009
>
> Police say a woman was shot and killed accidentally at an internet cafe on
> Jacksonville's Westside Monday afternoon.
>
> Police say it happened at the Allied Veterans Cyber Center Internet café in
> the 5800 block of Normandy Boulevard just east of Lane Avenue around 3:30.
>
> The victim, a woman in her early 40s, was at the business with several other
> customers when she was shot.
>
> Authorities say the bullet came from a gun that fell off a man's belt.
>
> Police say the man who mishandled the firearm had a concealed weapons
> license.
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Earl and those like him want to take away ALL your firearms because of
an accident like this. The guy who mishandled the gun should be
charged if appropriate.
Here's the full article that Earl didn't want you to read. It's also
SOURCED which
Earl didn't bother to do:
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Police: Accidental Shooting Kills Woman
Witnesses Say Gun Fell From Man's Belt, Discharged
POSTED: Monday, October 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:38 pm EDT October 19, 2009
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. –– Jacksonville police said a woman was killed
Monday afternoon by what appears to be the accidental discharge of a
concealed firearm.
Police said a man with a concealed weapons permit went into the Allied
Veterans Cyber Center Internet café on the Westside in the 5800 block
of Normandy Boulevard just east of Lane Avenue.
Police said the man's gun was mishandled or dropped and discharged,
striking a woman in the back. Witnesses said the gun fell from the
man's belt.
Police said a woman was accidentally shot and killed at the Allied
Veterans Cyber Center after a gun fell from a man's belt and
discharged.
Officers said the woman in her 40s, whose name has not yet been
released, died at Shands.
Police said the accidental shooting happened around 3:30 p.m.
Video: Man's Gun Fell, Discharged
They questioned several witnesses and the man who dropped the gun.
Police said the man has not been charged.
George Clark said he was in the back of the room at the cafe when he
heard what he thought was nothing more than a balloon bursting.
"We all said, 'Oh, that ain't nothing, just someone playing a game,'"
Clark said. "So we got up and we heard someone say, 'Oh my God, help
us, help us.'"
Clark said by the time they got near the front doors, the woman was on
the floor covered in blood.
"It was shocking," he said. "It got us to the point we don't even want
to come up here no more."
"There were several people in the business," JSO Lt. Larry Schmitt
said. "Whether they saw it or heard it, we're still trying to sift
through now. Detectives are interviewing several witnesses."
Signs of what is and isn't allowed inside the business are plastered
all over the door. And according to those who go there often, there
are more signs on the inside that say no firearms are allowed on the
property.
While police believe it appears to have been an accidental shooting,
some say even so, it won't keep them from coming back.
"Nah, it's not going to stop me," one person said.
Kurt Nicklas
> On 21/10/09 13:23, in article
> 242198e7-5971-419b-bf31-d95cb4bcd...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>
> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Earl and those like him want to take away ALL your firearms because of
> > an accident like this.
>
> internet café it appropriate.
Where in your world is it "appropriate" to have a gun,Earl?
> I also note that you added talk.politics.guns to the mailing list,
> it was not on my original. So I assume you are a pro-gun advocate roaming
> the internet groups for propaganda reasons. Gun nuts do this.
I added talk.politics.guns to the "mailing list" simply because your
post was not relevant to this group and because I think it's always a
good thing to bring in other interested individuals into a discussion
to create some balance.
>I have removed it, in an attempt to head off a gun nut invasion on
> this group.
I've added it back. What does a gun control story have to do with
alt.activism.death-penalty?? Maybe we'll see some fresh faces in this
very peculiar group, huh?
> Nice try.
Indeed.
Mike
It's therapy for Big Earl. Reporting on US crimes gets his ole' heart
beating in the morning. You can't deny the man this...
>
> > Nice try.
>
> Indeed.
Come on in!
Kurt Nicklas
Yes, I had him pegged for one of *those people.....
>
>
> > > Nice try.
>
> > Indeed.
>
> Come on in!
Think I will. Thanks for the invite!
Kurt Nicklas
> On 21/10/09 23:25, in article
> 29bf6897-c481-48e8-ae1e-6ebc6675d...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>
> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 7:37 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> I am questioning the having a gun in a public place like an
> >> internet café it appropriate.
>
> > Where in your world is it "appropriate" to have a gun,Earl?
>
> confirmation of handling the weapon.
No place for handguns?
> Like driver's licenses.
Driving is a privilege, Earl. Possession of firearms is a RIGHT.
>
> > I've added it back.
>
> and I've removed it.
Gee, this is fun!
Kurt Nicklas
> On 22/10/09 13:28, in article
> 43de2c7a-5834-4fb7-b738-a0575288e...@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Now read about the self-defending puppy. I wonder if
> >> that self-defense news item got in the "Armed Citizen"?
>
> > cherry picking are we?
>
> A self defending puppy is fairly unique, there are no
> other fruits to havest on the subject.
>
> But the question exists, does Armed Citizen ever report
> victim-criminal encounters where the victim loses in
> spite of having a gun, or wins in spite of not being
> armed?
>
> Of course not. The propaganda goals of the NRA is to
> only present that side of the picture which favors
> the theme of the magazine "The Armed Citizen"
And your propaganda goals are just what, Earl?
Kurt Nicklas
> On Oct 22, 7:09 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > On 22/10/09 12:42, in article
> > 44fe9c02-ec4f-42f4-a00e-f262e9cc0...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>
> > Nicklas" <araybou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Gee, this is fun!
>
> > Now read about the self-defending puppy. I wonder if
> > that self-defense news item got in the "Armed Citizen"?
>
> cherry picking are we?
He's obviously bailed on the original thread subject.
Earl Evleth
204b4cd6-4391-4231...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
Nicklas" <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> And your propaganda goals are just what, Earl?
None, I am an educator by nature.
RD (The Sandman)
a00e-f26...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 22, 1:52�am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> On 21/10/09 23:25, in article
>> 29bf6897-c481-48e8-ae1e-6ebc6675d...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
"Kurt
>>
>> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > On Oct 21, 7:37 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >> I am questioning the having a gun in a public place like an
>> >> internet caf� it appropriate.
>>
>> > Where in your world is it "appropriate" to have a gun,Earl?
>>
>> hunters, long guns. permits issues after real exams and field
>> confirmation of handling the weapon.
>
> No place for handguns?
I hunt with them.
>> Like driver's licenses.
>
> Driving is a privilege, Earl. Possession of firearms is a RIGHT.
>
>>
>> > I've added it back.
>>
>> and I've removed it.
>
> Gee, this is fun!
>
>
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
John Rennie
> Kurt Nicklas <arayb...@gmail.com> wrote in news:44fe9c02-ec4f-42f4-
> a00e-f26...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Oct 22, 1:52 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> On 21/10/09 23:25, in article
>>> 29bf6897-c481-48e8-ae1e-6ebc6675d...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
> "Kurt
>>> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 21, 7:37 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>> I am questioning the having a gun in a public place like an
>>>>> internet caf� it appropriate.
>>>> Where in your world is it "appropriate" to have a gun,Earl?
>>> hunters, long guns. permits issues after real exams and field
>>> confirmation of handling the weapon.
>> No place for handguns?
>
> I hunt with them.
Huh?
Earl Evleth
(The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> No place for handguns?
>
> I hunt with them.
Not in France you will.
Hunting with handguns is an American gimmick, a bit
like bow and arrow. Why not a spear?
I have not looked for it, but is there no criticism
of this absurd practice?
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> I hunt with them.
>
> Huh?
Yes, John, there are people who do this in the USA.
I don't what the probability of making a 400 yard kill
of a deer with a handgun is, but I would say "null".
Even 50 yards would be doubtful. Hand guns are close
up weapons.
I had a semiautomatic pistol and have fired at rabbits without
ever scoring a hit. Ever. Rabbit hunting is generally done
with a shot gun. If you hit the animal with a 45 there would
be no eating it because it would not be there.
Here is some comment from the web.
"Disadvantages of handguns versus shoulder firearms
Handguns are often considered self-defense weapons for use under 50锟統ards
(46锟絤). While a handgun in the hands of an experienced shooter may be
effective at distances greater than 50锟統ards (46锟絤), a handgun cartridge is
much more limited in its energy capacity than many long gun cartridges.
Many rifles are able to achieve bullet velocities of over 3,000锟絝eet (914锟絤)
per second, but rounds for handguns are rarely capable of achieving
velocities over 1,500锟絝eet (457锟絤) per second. Thus, long guns are generally
more powerful at any range, and especially more effective at longer ranges
than handguns.
A shooter is generally able to achieve considerably greater accuracy with a
long gun than with a handgun. This is due partly to the longer distance
between the rear and front sights, partly due to a more stable hold
attainable with a long gun, and partly due to the higher muzzle velocity,
which reduces the bullet travel time and thus reduces external effects on
the bullet such as gravitational drop and wind.
Prescott Niles
Earl! Your Back!
Being as undeducated as ever, I see!
Thank goodness you are not an educator by profession!
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>
>> On 22/10/09 17:59, in article
>> 204b4cd6-4391-4231...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>> Nicklas" <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And your propaganda goals are just what, Earl?
>>
>>
>> None, I am an educator by nature.
>
>
> Earl! Your Back!
> Being as undeducated as ever, I see!
*snort*
This has to be Usenet's Own Goal 2009.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'Many of the Europeans who want Israel to go away don't even know why
they do. Nearly a third of those interviewed concede they have no idea
what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about. It's enough to know
that Israelis are Jews' (Suzanne Fields)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Prescott Niles
> On 22/10/09 18:37, in article Xns9CAC61EF5...@216.196.97.130, "RD
> (The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>No place for handguns?
>>
>>I hunt with them.
> Not in France you will.
As far as YOU know! But then again, France is a silly country.
> Hunting with handguns is an American gimmick, a bit
> like bow and arrow. Why not a spear?
A gimmick? Thousands of Americans use handguns all the time to hunt
small AND large game, as well as the Bow and Arrow.
Spear use is re-growing in popularity as well.
> I have not looked for it, but is there no criticism
> of this absurd practice?
What's absurd about hunting?
Eat a snail, bug boy!
Prescott Niles
> On 22/10/09 19:03, in article OaednS8sv9TGDX3X...@giganews.com,
> "John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>I hunt with them.
>>
>>Huh?
>
>
> Yes, John, there are people who do this in the USA.
>
> I don't what the probability of making a 400 yard kill
> of a deer with a handgun is, but I would say "null".
> Even 50 yards would be doubtful. Hand guns are close
> up weapons.
>
> I had a semiautomatic pistol and have fired at rabbits without
> ever scoring a hit.
That's because you aren't allowed to own one, and you shake like a dog
shitting razor blades whenever you see a handgun.
RD (The Sandman)
evl...@wanadoo.fr:
On what subject(s), Earl?
RD (The Sandman)
news:OaednS8sv9TGDX3X...@giganews.com:
Which word did you have trouble with?
RD (The Sandman)
> On 22/10/09 19:03, in article
> OaednS8sv9TGDX3X...@giganews.com, "John Rennie"
> <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>>> I hunt with them.
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Yes, John, there are people who do this in the USA.
>
> I don't what the probability of making a 400 yard kill
> of a deer with a handgun is, but I would say "null".
Not many folks even attempt a 400 yard shot on a deer.
> Even 50 yards would be doubtful. Hand guns are close
> up weapons.
Handguns are useful for hunting out to about 200 yards depending on the
handgun.
> I had a semiautomatic pistol and have fired at rabbits without
> ever scoring a hit. Ever. Rabbit hunting is generally done
> with a shot gun. If you hit the animal with a 45 there would
> be no eating it because it would not be there.
Rabbits are hunted with .22s or a .38. They are not shot at 400 yards,
more like 30 yards or less.
> Here is some comment from the web.
>
> "Disadvantages of handguns versus shoulder firearms
>
> Handguns are often considered self-defense weapons for use under
> 50锟統ards (46锟絤). While a handgun in the hands of an experienced
> shooter may be effective at distances greater than 50锟統ards (46锟絤), a
> handgun cartridge is much more limited in its energy capacity than
> many long gun cartridges. Many rifles are able to achieve bullet
> velocities of over 3,000锟絝eet (914锟絤) per second, but rounds for
> handguns are rarely capable of achieving velocities over 1,500锟絝eet
> (457锟絤) per second. Thus, long guns are generally more powerful at any
> range, and especially more effective at longer ranges than handguns.
That is true.....one reason why a handgun hunter needs to close more with
the game animal than a rifle shooter does.
> A shooter is generally able to achieve considerably greater accuracy
> with a long gun than with a handgun. This is due partly to the longer
> distance between the rear and front sights, partly due to a more
> stable hold attainable with a long gun, and partly due to the higher
> muzzle velocity, which reduces the bullet travel time and thus reduces
> external effects on the bullet such as gravitational drop and wind.
All true, but none negate hunting with a handgun. Try looking at this
site for one:
or this site:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_hunting.htm
or this one for another:
http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Firearm/Beginners_Guide_to_Big_Game_H
andgun_Hunting_10120412.html
Or this one:
http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Alaska/Handgun_Hunting_the_Alaskan_Br
own_Bear_02050401.html
RD (The Sandman)
> On 22/10/09 18:37, in article Xns9CAC61EF5...@216.196.97.130,
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> No place for handguns?
>>
>> I hunt with them.
>
> Not in France you will.
I don't live in France.
> Hunting with handguns is an American gimmick, a bit
> like bow and arrow. Why not a spear?
I prefer a handgun.
> I have not looked for it, but is there no criticism
> of this absurd practice?
Because the absurd one is you.
Earl Evleth
Niles" <TheK...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
> Thank goodness you are not an educator by profession!
I was before I retired
Earl Evleth
Niles" <TheK...@bass.gov> wrote:
> What's absurd about hunting?
With a handgun you can't hit anything at anything over about 30 yards
Earl Evleth
(The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On what subject(s), Earl?
Chemistry, beginning first year, organic, quantum chemistry,
spectroscopy.
Earl Evleth
(The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Handguns are useful for hunting out to about 200 yards depending on the
> handgun.
>
200 yards is an exaggeration but then hunters like fishingmen
exaggerate by their very nature.
They lie like Republicans
Jim Bianchi
Hmmm, some years ago Elmer Keith (responsible for the S&W .44mag)
pulled $600 from his pocket and told someone who was saying the same as you
to take 350 long steps out into a field and stand there while he (Elmer)
shot at him w/his 4" bbl .44mag revolver. After the sixth shot, if he still
could, the guy was welcome to walk back and collect the money. The guy
refused.
Now, admittedly, not everyone is capable of using a handgun at such
ranges, but it has been done often enough by enough people to thoroughly
debunk the lack of long range accuracy of handguns.
--
ji...@sonic.net
Linux: gawk, date, finger, wait, unzip, touch, nice, suck, strip, mount,
fsck, umount, make clean, sleep. (Who needs porn when you have /usr/bin?)
Kurt Nicklas
>
> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > And your propaganda goals are just what, Earl?
>
> None, I am an educator by nature.
Like Joseph Goebbels?
Kurt Nicklas
> > From: Mike <foehamme...@yahoo.com>
> > Organization:http://groups.google.com
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: Re: Internet café accidental shooting, Florida
>
> > On Oct 22, 7:09 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> On 22/10/09 12:42, in article
> >> 44fe9c02-ec4f-42f4-a00e-f262e9cc0...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>
> >> Nicklas" <araybou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Gee, this is fun!
>
> >> Now read about the self-defending puppy. I wonder if
> >> that self-defense news item got in the "Armed Citizen"?
>
> > cherry picking are we?
>
> unarmed citizen who strangled to death the armed burglar here in France.
Just what are we supposed to comment on, Donna?
Prescott Niles
^^^^^^^
You spelled "Fired" wrong.
And you were never a professional, as you only THOUGHT you were a
"teacher" whilst you were incarcerated in the mental ward.
Prescott Niles
How would YOU know that?
With my handguns, I hit the tens at 50+ yards all the time.
Professionals can do it easy at 200+!
My father almost beheaded a deer in Nevada, from 160 yards with his LAR
Cal45 Win mag.
Almost snapped his neck clean off!
He said: "If I shot him in the ass like I wanted, I could have saved
time removing his entrails first. But I was distracted."
Prescott Niles
You said the same crap years ago when you were ridiculed and ran away, earl.
Let's go hunting!
Prescott Niles
Just because YOU never shot a firearm,(or are allowed to own them) that
doesn't mean that others don't use them.
Earl? You are a twit that PRETENDS to be French.. but wants to be seen
as a spineless bastard poofter for some reason.
Prescott Niles
Earl bailed a year or so ago after severe ridicule.
Now he's back for more, after a little healing, and becoming more stupid.
Prescott Niles
> Like Joseph Goebbels?
He wishes he could have kissed Joe's morphined kids on the lips.
Now, Earl just sits "teaching" others in the ward to eat their own shit
with garlic.
Prescott Niles
Earl has "Donna"... again?
RD (The Sandman)
Ahhhh, and that gives you exactly what background on firearms in the US?
RD (The Sandman)
Obviously, you didn't read the cites provided. Did you also choose to
remain as ignorant in your chosen field of chemistry?
RD (The Sandman)
evl...@wanadoo.fr:
Speak for yourself. Would you stand about 250 yards from me and let me
shoot at you with a .475 Linebaugh revolver?
Earl Evleth
Bianchi" <ji...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Hmmm, some years ago Elmer Keith (responsible for the S&W .44mag)
Another urban legend
Earl Evleth
6d363907-0909-42b1...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
Nicklas" <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Just what are we supposed to comment on, Donna?
On self defense
Donna Evleth
> From: Kurt Nicklas <nick...@bellsouth.net>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>
> On Oct 22, 4:28�pm, Donna Evleth <devl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> From: Mike <foehamme...@yahoo.com>
>>> Organization:http://groups.google.com
>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 7:09�am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>>> On 22/10/09 12:42, in article
>>>> 44fe9c02-ec4f-42f4-a00e-f262e9cc0...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>>
>>>> Nicklas" <araybou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Gee, this is fun!
>>
>>>> Now read about the self-defending puppy. I wonder if
>>>> that self-defense news item got in the "Armed Citizen"?
>>
>>> cherry picking are we?
>>
>> You never do, of course. �I have seen no comment on my post about the
>> unarmed citizen who strangled to death the armed burglar here in France.
>
> Just what are we supposed to comment on, Donna?
The fact that someone without a gun successfully defended himself and his
family against someone who had a gun. The armed citizen philosophy seems to
consider such an event impossible. You should ask the armed burglar about
that. But wait... I forgot. He's dead. Strangled.
Donna Evleth
>
Kurt Nicklas
> On 22/10/09 23:54, in article
> 0fad81c6-04b4-4142-b0d8-8afa8ee1c...@e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com, "Kurt
>
> Nicklas" <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> None, I am an educator by nature.
>
> > Like Joseph Goebbels?
>
I think you've jumped the fence.
Klaus Schadenfreude
You mean YOU can't.
Klaus Schadenfreude
It's improbable. Nothing's impossible.
Gray Ghost
evl...@wanadoo.fr:
Wrong again.
The .44 Magnum cartridge was the end result of years of tuned handloading of
the .44 Special.[7] The .44 Special, and other large-bore handgun cartridges,
were being loaded with heavy bullets, pushed at higher than normal velocities
for better hunting performance. One of these handloaders was Elmer Keith, a
writer and outdoorsman of the 20th Century.[8]
Elmer Keith settled on the .44 Special cartridge as the basis for his
experimentation, rather than the larger .45 Colt. At the time the selection
of .44 caliber projectiles for handloaders was more varied, and the .44
Special case was smaller in diameter than the .45 Colt case. In revolvers of
the same size, this meant the .44 caliber revolvers had thicker, and
therefore stronger, cylinder walls than the .45. This allowed higher
pressures to be used without risk of a burst cylinder.[4]
****************************************
Keith encouraged Smith & Wesson and Remington to produce a commercial version
of this new high pressure loading, and revolvers chambered for it. While S&W
produced the first prototype revolver chambered in .44 Magnum, the famous
Model 29,...
Gray Ghost
news:C70755D1.82BBD%dev...@wanadoo.fr:
Um are you suggesting that a very low probability event is an indicator of
normal events?
Donna Evleth
> From: grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:37:23 -0500
No. I was simply pleased by it.
Donna Evleth
>
RD (The Sandman)
> On 22/10/09 22:34, in article slrnhe1gfj...@bolt.sonic.net, "Jim
Nope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Keith
http://www.sixguns.com/bunkhouse/elmer_keith.htm
http://www.elmerkeithshoot.org/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_184_30/ai_n16741471/
http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=34
http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Elmer_Keith.html
Need more?
Prescott Niles
You must be related or married to Earl.
He's a retard too.
Kurt Nicklas
> > From: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:37:23 -0500
>
> > Donna Evleth <devl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
> >news:C70755D1.82BBD%dev...@wanadoo.fr:
>
> >>> From: Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net>
> >>> Organization:http://groups.google.com
> >>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> >>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> Subject: Re: Internet café accidental shooting, Florida
>
> >>> On Oct 22, 4:28 pm, Donna Evleth <devl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>>> From: Mike <foehamme...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> Organization:http://groups.google.com
> >>>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >>>>> On Oct 22, 7:09 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 22/10/09 12:42, in article
> >>>>>> 44fe9c02-ec4f-42f4-a00e-f262e9cc0...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com,
> >>>>>> "Kurt
>
> >>>>>> Nicklas" <araybou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Gee, this is fun!
>
> >>>>>> Now read about the self-defending puppy. I wonder if
> >>>>>> that self-defense news item got in the "Armed Citizen"?
>
> >>>>> cherry picking are we?
>
> >>>> You never do, of course. I have seen no comment on my post about the
> >>>> unarmed citizen who strangled to death the armed burglar here in
> >>>> France.
>
> >>> Just what are we supposed to comment on, Donna?
>
> >> The fact that someone without a gun successfully defended himself and his
> >> family against someone who had a gun. The armed citizen philosophy seems
> >> to consider such an event impossible. You should ask the armed burglar
> >> about that. But wait... I forgot. He's dead. Strangled.
>
> >> Donna Evleth
>
> > Um are you suggesting that a very low probability event is an indicator of
> > normal events?
>
> No. I was simply pleased by it.
It's a good result, of course, however you don't seriously consider
that the majority of armed/unarmed encounters end that way, do you?
Donna Evleth
> From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
> Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:41:25 -0400
I am Earl's wife. If I were to buy a gun and become and Armed Citizen,
would you then stop considering me as a "retard"? Just asking, since you
did not state what you base your opinion of me on.
Donna Evleth
Gray Ghost
I would think gun ownership isn't the question here. It's who you choose to
associate with.
Prescott Niles
>
>>You must be related or married to Earl.
>>He's a retard too.
> I am Earl's wife.
See?
> If I were to buy a gun and become and Armed Citizen,
> would you then stop considering me as a "retard"?
Of course not.
I would however consider you to be an armed retard.
> Just asking, since you
> did not state what you base your opinion of me on.
Well, you do admit to being married to that retard.
Donna Evleth
> From: grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:32:02 -0500
We have been married for 54 years. He is old and ill. What am I supposed
to do, divorce him now? I thought conservatives were all about family
values.
Donna Evleth
>
Donna Evleth
> From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
> Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>
For 54 years. I thought that loyalty to one's husband was one of those
conservative family values. I guess I was wrong.
Your whole classification of the two of us is based on nothing but ideology
anyway, so I don't know why I bother to bother with explanations for you. I
could instead do as you do, base the "retard" definition on ideology, but I
prefer not to do that. That is because all I know about you is what I see
here on the Internet. In person, you may be totally different. Just as I
may be.
I have learned from personal experience that meeting real life people who
are different than you are, in background and belief, changes your whole
perspective.
Donna Evleth
Gray Ghost
>>>>>>>>>>> m, "Kurt
If you are caring for him after all these years than my hat is off to you.
But his postings on this group have been a bit nuts.
Perhaps it is safe to suggest only old or ill people believe the way he does.
Prescott Niles
>
>>From: grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>>I would think gun ownership isn't the question here. It's who you choose to
>>associate with.
>
>
> We have been married for 54 years. He is old and ill.
And you also are old, ill, and retarded.
Your point?
> What am I supposed
> to do, divorce him now?
Just start digging a deeper hole for the both of you while you can.
> I thought conservatives were all about family
> values.
You never thought a day in your "54 supposed years of life".
You have no "values" as you post as "A wife" to Earl.
Prescott Niles
>
>>From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
>>Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
>>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
>>Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:36 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>>
>>Donna Evleth wrote:
>>
>>>>You must be related or married to Earl.
>>
>>>>He's a retard too.
>>
>>>I am Earl's wife.
>>
>>See?
>>>If I were to buy a gun and become and Armed Citizen,
>>>would you then stop considering me as a "retard"?
>>
>>Of course not.
>>I would however consider you to be an armed retard.
>>>Just asking, since you
>>>did not state what you base your opinion of me on.
>>Well, you do admit to being married to that retard.
> For 54 years. I thought that loyalty to one's husband was one of those
> conservative family values. I guess I was wrong.
Of course you are and were wrong.
If you married a retard before you realized he was a retard, only YOU
would have loyalty to that retard!
Golly! That makes you a REALLY BIG RETARD!
But then again, you are French!
But at least you are not armed!
> Your whole classification of the two of us is based on nothing but ideology
> anyway, so I don't know why I bother to bother with explanations for you.
You are not bothering me at all.
I am bothering you however, because YOU respond as "Donna" (your
imaginary wife of 54 years) instead of "EARL" the poofter fron France.
After all, Earl is sick!
> I
> could instead do as you do, base the "retard" definition on ideology, but I
> prefer not to do that.
You have no option,"Donna/Earl".
You are a retard.
> That is because all I know about you is what I see
> here on the Internet. In person, you may be totally different. Just as I
> may be.
Noop.
I am ME!
YOU are a known Internet moron... a retard.
> I have learned from personal experience that meeting real life people who
> are different than you are, in background and belief, changes your whole
> perspective.
Bullshit.
I too have met dozens of people in real life that I first talked to via
the internet, and they are all just like they were imagined to be.
..and visa versa!
If I were to meet you in real life, I would consider you a retarded
withered asshole... from France.
If you were to meet me, you would kill "Earl" and suck my cock for the
pleasure of it.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
The notion that a complete fuckstick like you could be armed actually
frightens me. It is evidence that some countries do not consider the
mental health of those who would obtain firearms.
> > Your whole classification of the two of us is based on nothing but ideology
> > anyway, so I don't know why I bother to bother with explanations for you.
>
> You are not bothering me at all.
> I am bothering you however, because YOU respond as "Donna" (your
> imaginary wife of 54 years) instead of "EARL" the poofter fron France.
Homophobia noted.
> After all, Earl is sick!
Not as sick as you, kiddo.
> > I
> > could instead do as you do, base the "retard" definition on ideology, but I
> > prefer not to do that.
>
> You have no option,"Donna/Earl".
> You are a retard.
Pot.
Kettle.
Black.
> > That is because all I know about you is what I see
> > here on the Internet. In person, you may be totally different. Just as I
> > may be.
>
> Noop.
Is that some kind of pidgin assembly language or are you trying and
failing to spell "nope"?
> I am ME!
Worse luck for both you and anyone who encounters you.
> YOU are a known Internet moron... a retard.
Try taking a look in the mirror if you actually wish to view a retard,
kiddo.
> > I have learned from personal experience that meeting real life people who
> > are different than you are, in background and belief, changes your whole
> > perspective.
>
> Bullshit.
Yes. You do post rather a lot of it.
> I too have met dozens of people in real life that I first talked to via
> the internet, and they are all just like they were imagined to be.
> ..and visa versa!
That would be "vice versa", you illiterate wankstain.
> If I were to meet you in real life, I would consider you a retarded
> withered asshole... from France.
Racism noted.
> If you were to meet me, you would kill "Earl" and suck my cock for the
> pleasure of it.
Scratch a homophobe ... and you will almost always discover a closet
case.
Hahahahahahahahahaaaaa!
--
The Professor: What's "Friends"?
Satan: A TV show. Six characters in search of a smack in the mouth.
- Andy Hamilton, Old Harry's Game
John Rennie
>
>> From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
>> Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
>> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:36 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>>
>> Donna Evleth wrote:
>>>> You must be related or married to Earl.
>>>> He's a retard too.
>>> I am Earl's wife.
>> See?
>>
>>
>>> If I were to buy a gun and become and Armed Citizen,
>>> would you then stop considering me as a "retard"?
>> Of course not.
>> I would however consider you to be an armed retard.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Just asking, since you
>>> did not state what you base your opinion of me on.
>> Well, you do admit to being married to that retard.
>
> For 54 years. I thought that loyalty to one's husband was one of those
> conservative family values. I guess I was wrong.
>
> Your whole classification of the two of us is based on nothing but ideology
> anyway, so I don't know why I bother to bother with explanations for you.
Neither do I. He's a prme candidate for the
killfile, Donna. Why do you bother with such?
John Rennie
Donna Evleth
> From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
> Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:12:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: Internet caf� accidental shooting, Florida
>
> Donna Evleth wrote:
>
>>
>>> From: grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>
>>> I would think gun ownership isn't the question here. It's who you choose to
>>> associate with.
>>
>>
>> We have been married for 54 years. He is old and ill.
>
> And you also are old, ill, and retarded.
What proof do you have of that? I admit to old, but neither ill nor
retarded.
> Your point?
What is yours?
>
>
>> What am I supposed
>> to do, divorce him now?
>
> Just start digging a deeper hole for the both of you while you can.
>
>
>> I thought conservatives were all about family
>> values.
>
> You never thought a day in your "54 supposed years of life".
> You have no "values" as you post as "A wife" to Earl.
Are all good gun toting conservatives as nasty as you are? BTW, I said that
Earl and I had been married 54 years, not that I was 54 years old. Read
more carefully.
Donna Evleth
>
>
>
>
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: Prescott Niles <TheK...@bass.gov>
> Organization: I'll pay 1592.50 for the hide of any spammer
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:39:37 -0400
I am not Earl. I really am Donna. Whatever you may think, we really are
two different people. And I am very real, not imaginary.
Are all good gun toting conservatives as nasty as you are?
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-...@talktalk.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:40:12 +0100
I'm through. I give them an adequate chance to be courteous and argue
issues politely, then after they've had that chance, Plonk. In this case
the time has come.
Donna Evleth
>
>
John Rennie
don't want to read his gross comments even via your own.
Donna Evleth
> From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-...@talktalk.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.guns
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:01:36 +0000
It's done. Who brought us this load of crap, anyway? Was it Mr.
O'Phonyname?
I believe that if we do not respond further to them, they will crawl back
into whatever hole they came from.
Donna Evleth
Prescott Niles
>
>>From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
>>Throw this pile of shit into the waste bin, Donna. I really
>>don't want to read his gross comments even via your own.
>
>
> It's done. Who brought us this load of crap, anyway? Was it Mr.
> O'Phonyname?
Typical Leftist French cowards, who resort to filters to ignore the facts.
No wonder "Earl" is "old and ill."
He posts twice, than has his "Wife" take over the next day to post the
exact same stupidity for the next week.
Then there is this "John Rennie" who comes outa nowhere, with a nose so
brown, his entire face smells like porta-potty.