Concealed Carry Debunked
fatherjohn
They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
families the next day. happy happy.
Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
Kempvp1
Robert Frenchu
Or the guy might pick up a bottle and kill the other guy. Or pull out
his knife. Or hit him over the head with a chair. Or run him over in
the parking lot. Or set fire to his house later on in the week. Or
poison his well. Or sick his Rottweiler on him. Or sever his brake
lines. Or kick his dog. Or hire someone to do it.
Happy happy.
James Mayer
> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> families the next day. happy happy.
>
> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
Or neither one hits the other and no one spends the night in jail.
Herb Martin
As proposed, he made it sound like "two guys"
who were equally responsible for 'a friendly
fight' where no one is maimed or killed.
He should try it this way -- for one: "Two guys
are in a bar, one attacks the other with intent to
do bodily harm, maim or kill. Isn't it within the
rights of the victim to use a concealed weapon
for defense?"
Perhaps the defender can merely brandish the
firearm to halt the attack. Perhaps the attacker
won't be killed, but in any case the criminal who
initiates the attack has forfeited any consideration
until the attack is STOPPED.
And truth be known, those who carry -- and have
any sense whatsoever -- are typically more polite,
more understanding, and quite a bit more ready
to let some asshole have the last word while they
walk away. They know they will win a 'fight' but
don't want the trouble that comes with using the
firearm.
As Clint Smith of ThunderRanch says, "If the
bad guy walks away, so much the better:
Less paperwork."
Herb Martin
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Morton Davis
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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The key is "might". The reality is that this just does not happen.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3045
Estimates of numbers of gun owners in the USA run from 50 - 80 million.
Taking a middle approach, that would be something on the order of 60 million
60,000,000/300,000,000. Let's assume, for sake of argumenbt, that includes
legal and illegal guns. Yet the murder rate by all means is 5.6/100,000 or
.0056%.
For your "scenario" to be true, I would expect the murder rate to be well
above 1%, or 3 million.
The problems you have are twofold: You have no facts to present to back up
your "concepts" and you are a fool.
-*MORT*-
The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel
<kem...@aol.com> wrote:
> How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
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Michael P. Brininstool
If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
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Above all Texas is a nation in every sense of the word."
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Tom Keowen
"The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel" <thelon...@area51.gov> wrote in
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> In article <20020701182513...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Kempvp1
> <kem...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
>
> They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
>
So how come there aren't loads of news stories in this vein, dumbass?
> Yours truly,
>
> The Lone Weasel LIVE From Area 51
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Here's an article that's been posted on TPG before. Maybe it bears
repeating:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/edmonds/edmonds16.html
citizen
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> families the next day. happy happy.
>
> Now what if one has a gun?
He would be carrying the handgun illegally even with a CCW permit in Mi...
No conceal carry in any establishment that serve alcohol it is against the
law.
And furthermore if the CCW holder has even one drink 1oz liquor or one beer
they are in violation of the carry laws.
>The other might end up in the morgue.
You ever hear of knives? ,they are a bar fight favorite.
"The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against
arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears
remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
- Senator Hubert Humphrey
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RD Thompson
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Shouldn't be in a bar with a firearm. Guns and alcohol don't mix..it is
just like gasoline.
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Whether a gun is used to save a life or to illegally
take one, the only difference is whose hands are
in control of that gun. The gun itself is neutral.
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"Michael P. Brininstool" <mik...@hoplite.org> wrote in message
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> fatherjohn wrote:
> >
> > Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> > They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> > families the next day. happy happy.
> >
> > Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>
> If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
> carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
>
Don't bother the "father" with the truth. If he was truthful he would no be
lying about who he is.
-*MORT*-
Michael P. Brininstool
I haven't seen any. Ubiquitous in you mind, maybe.
--
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If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.
Bruce Mills
I beleive that in most States with CCW it is illegal to carry in an
establishment that serves alcohol.
And "might" isn't sufficient justification to restrict and infringe upon *MY*
rights.
Robert Frenchu
>The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel wrote:
>>
>> In article <20020701182513...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Kempvp1
>> <kem...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
>>
>> They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
>>
>
>I haven't seen any. Ubiquitous in you mind, maybe.
It's a unique argument, though,. We should call it "The Ubiquitous
Weasel Defense."
When asked to support your argument, you merely respond that it's so
common and well known that no one bothers to document it.
Herb Martin
> carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
>
While not completely incorrect, this is not precisely true
either....
In Texas, a CHL holder may not enter a 'bar' which derives
more than 51% of its income from alcohol.
A Texan may legally enter if the bar is within a hotel or
restaurant where the total income does not reach 51%
from alcohol.
Actually the law is designed slightly incorrectly. A CHL
holder should be able to enter a bar, but be required to
remain sober -- by some objective standard -- just as
automobile operators are required.
I would even have no problem if the "no drinks allowed"
were the standard, but I should be able to be the "designated
guard" for my wife and other family or friends.
Herb Martin
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Gray Ghost
> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
Well Father if you hadn't grabbed his pee-pee he wouldn;t have hit you.
Don't you have some young defenseless boys to grab?
--
Frank
No quarter asked, no quarter given.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanlysis", 1952
I guess that explains Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Gary Condit.
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Gray Ghost
> fatherjohn wrote:
>>
>> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>> families the next day. happy happy.
>>
>> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>
> If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
> carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
Nor in Virginia. Not even in a restaraunt that serves alcohol even if you
refrain. About the only place you can pack is Cracker Barrel and Bob Evans.
And you know what kind of rabble eats there!
>
> --
> Michael P. Brininstool mik...@hoplite.org
> "Texas is state of mind. Texas is an obsession.
> Above all Texas is a nation in every sense of the word."
> -- "Travels with Charley" John Steinbeck
--
John A. Stovall
<mik...@hoplite.org> wrote:
>fatherjohn wrote:
>>
>> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>> families the next day. happy happy.
>>
>> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>
>If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
>carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
But off duty LEO's can and they should not have any more privileges
than a CHL when they are not on duty.
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Belges, ill n'y en a plus,
Ce sont des tireurs au cul.
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Jim Alder
> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
Wow! Impressive! Here's another one. Two guys in church. Afterwards
they get in a heated discussion about which apostle had the wooden leg. No
actual fisticuffs ensue. Neither one has a gun or needs one.
Conclusion? Father John never had a point to begin with.
--
"I'm only paranoid because they want me dead." - Mel Gibson; Conspiracy
Theory
fatherjohn
Different kind of thing can happen, but you cannot ignore one simple
little fact: if there is a gun involved there is higher chance of
shooting.
betweentheeyes
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Simple fact #2 - both will be breathing the atmosphere prior to the fight
Simple fact #3 - both will be wearing clothes sometime prior, during or
after the fight
Simple fact #4 - your simple fact and the 2 I created don't have anything to
do with the point being made.
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The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel
<thom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel" <thelon...@area51.gov> wrote in
> message news:010720021751341477%thelon...@area51.gov...
> > In article <20020701182513...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Kempvp1
> > <kem...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
> >
> > They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
> So how come there aren't loads of news stories in this vein, dumbass?
"Ubiquitous" means they are everywhere, ignorant gunfucker.
There are lots of news stories about shootings in bars & bar parking
lots. Fox News may not have many of those stories. You may have to
read local newspapers.
--
Morton Davis
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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Funny how that just does not happen, isn't it, "faterjohn"?
-*MORT*-
no one of consequence
]Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
]families the next day. happy happy.
]
]Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
You mean if you had a gun.
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Morton Davis
"no one of consequence" <wol...@hagbard.io.com> wrote in message
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> fatherjohn wrote:
> ]Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> ]They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> ]families the next day. happy happy.
> ]
> ]Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>
> You mean if you had a gun.
>
YUP. I think he's projecting too. 300 million people with roughly 25% of
them owning over 200 million guns. Millions of people carrying legally and
illegally every day. You'd think that the murder rate would be higher than
.0057% of the population if dipshits like "fatherjohn" and Sarah Brady were
right.
But then, honesty is not very high on the anti gunner's aptitude list.
-*MORT*-
David Voth
was kind enough to write:
>Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>families the next day. happy happy.
Or not.
>Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
Or not.
David Voth
<thelon...@area51.gov> was kind enough to write:
>In article <20020701182513...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Kempvp1
><kem...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
>
>They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
We had one shooting like that in a gay bar in San Diego a couple of
years ago, but the concealed firearm was not being carried legally.
--
"If I order a book on bomb making, I would not be upset if someone
from the Federal government came to question me about it..."
- Randy Douglas in talk.politics.guns, May 2000
David Voth
was kind enough to write:
Cite, please.
Lone_Wolf
#On 1 Jul 2002 15:21:45 -0700, fathe...@subdimension.com (fatherjohn)
#was kind enough to write:
#>Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
#>They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
#>families the next day. happy happy.
One punch can kill.
#Or not.
#>Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
#Or not.
What if one didn't start the fight, and was trying to get out of it,
but the other guy kept attacking, leaving the first no option but to defend
himself?
James
Michael P. Brininstool
Yup! Because if there is NOT a gun, a shooting cannot occur.
Doesn't mean it is a bad thing.
--
Michael P. Brininstool mik...@hoplite.org
"Justice is incidental to law and order." -- J. Edgar Hoover
Herb Martin
others but my suspicion is that many if not most
who have CHL's share this viewpoint....
Once I obtained my CHL, it became clear that
it did provide a measure of protection but only
if the firearm were always available could I be
certain that it would be available for the one time
when it was needed.
Solution: carry whenever legal and possible.
But, if a firearm is needed, there is a practical
certainty that a telephone is also going to be needed
to call for the police or medical assistance. In fact,
for every 100 times the cellphone is important, the
firearm will probably be needed only once.
Solution: Always carry a cellphone -- especially when
exercising the CHL, and even when not.
The firearm is not useful if the 'bad guys' take you
with sufficient surprise or at sufficient disadvantage.
Solution: Remain aware of your surroundings and alert
to threats but immediate and likely at all times. Seek
training; learn to recognize the warning signs; keep your
mind and your hands free to use the firearm or to escape
the situation whenever possible.
Using the firearm is expected to incur a minimum of
$25,000 in legal expenses even if the ENTIRE event
is completely legal and undeniably justified.
Solution: Avoid using the firearm and avoid situations
where use is likely whenever possible.
Less paperwork.
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The Area 51 Edition Lone Weasel
<dan...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On 1 Jul 2002 15:21:45 -0700, fathe...@subdimension.com (fatherjohn)
> wrote:
>
> >Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> >They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> >families the next day. happy happy.
> >
> >Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
> "What if?" How about applying that to your first paragraph? What if one
> dies from the blows?
Dannyloon, are you so brain-fucked by NRA disinformation that you can't
just say that a fistfight is not as lethal as a gunfight?
> Sheesh! When will they ever start teaching logic 101 in the schools?
You can't even figure out the gunfight/fistfight mystery, fool...
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
WRH Bill
>They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>families the next day. happy happy.
>
>Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
Re this scenario allegedly "debunking concealed carry".... does anyone believe
that, if there had been *even one* documented incident in this country of a
*legal* concealed-carry permit holder killing or injuring someone with a gun in
a bar fight, that the media with its strongly anti-gun slant would not have
made this a front-page news story across the nation?
"You can't kill the truth. Well, actually, you CAN kill it...but it'll come
back to haunt you later." (Capt. John Sheridan)
Morton Davis
reciprical aggreements with 13 other CCW states wherein their CCW permiot
are good here, you'd think there'd be a lot of bar gunfights based on
fatherjohn's little paranoid scenario. But there has not been any.
I have a lot of experience working in bars as a cooler before CCW and there
were no "bar gunfights" then either.
Funny how Florida never became the "gunshine state" as was predicted by the
"fatherjohns" of the 19080s. Different names, same dipshit ideas.
-*MORT*-
Henry Glenworthy
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> indulged in hoplophobic
fantasy:
> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> families the next day. happy happy.
> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>>>>
Is that why there are so many shootouts in...
POLICE STATIONS?
D'OH!
--
"Clowns can get away with murder." John Wayne Gacy
aka "The Killer Clown," murderer of 30 men (without the
use of a firearm) and life-long Democrat.
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pyotr filipivich
talk.politics.guns , David Voth <davi...@catholic.org> was inspired to utter:
Sounds like "fatherjohn" learned about bar room brawls from fictions, as
well.
The two anecdotes I have from an Eye Witness (she was a bouncer in a biker
bar) had one man dead from having his skull cracked open with a chair (the
attacker then fled the bar, got in his car and drove off at a high rate of
speed without his lights one, hitting an on coming car and killing the driver
and passenger). Three dead (at least) and no gun involved.
The other story was how she came to be The Bouncer in a biker bar, at 5'2"
and <100 lbs. Seems the regular bouncer had just been laid out by a pool cue,
she came around the bar, grabbed the guy, and when he turned around, he slipped
and fell, hitting his head in the process and knocking himself out. The
manager saw the tag end of this, and promoted her on the spot. (Raised her pay
too.) The regular bouncer was out of hospital after a month or so, with only
minor brain damage.
But hey - no guns were involved in that one either, so no doubt
"fatherjohn" will consider that a "happy happy". Personally, I think he needs
some quality therapy to deal with his suppressed homicidal tendencies, not to
mention his idolatry of inanimate objects.
tschus
pyotr
pyotr filipivich
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Randy Sweeney
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> families the next day. happy happy.
>
What if one has a knife?
What if one has AIDS?
The mere lack of a gun does not make brawling happy happy.
Randy Sweeney
fatherjohn
>
> What if one has a knife?
>
Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
Morton Davis
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > What if one has a knife?
> >
>
> Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
Last time I looked at the local news, knives were the most popular murder
weapon. We've even got a federal lawyer from Virginia about to go on trial
for "accidently" stabbing a man to death. Witnesses saw him chase the victim
on foot, stabbing him as they ran. Some accident.
Knives make great murder weapons. But then, you know that. You're just being
your asshole troll self.
-*MORT*-
Scout
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > What if one has a knife?
> >
>
> Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
Never heard of a ballistic knife, I see, but then I've learned to expect
ignorance from you.
John A. Stovall
<mik...@hoplite.org> wrote:
>fatherjohn wrote:
>>
>> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>> families the next day. happy happy.
>>
>> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>
>If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
>carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
Not true. the Bar in question must make over 51% of it's revenues by
the sale of alcoholic beverages. Did you miss this question on your
CHL test?
Oh, they should also be posting a 51% sign as required by law.
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But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."
From "Easy Rider"
Spoken by
Jack Nicholson
John A. Stovall
wrote:
>"Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<PT2V8.33490
>>
>> What if one has a knife?
>>
>
>Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
No, not for a Soviet Spernatz trooper, they had ballistic knives which
would shot the blade up to 10 meters or so.
Here a soviet poster on one. You do read russian don't you?
http://pvtpyle.com/Weapon%20pics/Sov%20balistic%20knife%20poster.jpg
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Chance proposes. Death disposes.
"African Genesis"
Robert Ardrey
RD Thompson
> "Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
It is like trying to stab someone with a gun. What's your point?
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Whether a gun is used to save a life or to illegally
take one, the only difference is whose hands are
in control of that gun. The gun itself is neutral.
Randy Sweeney
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > What if one has a knife?
> >
>
> Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
But two men fighting without a gun present doesn't mean that lethal force
isn't available as was implied previously.
Panhead
>
> "fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
> news:9dcec572.02070...@posting.google.com...
> > "Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<PT2V8.33490
> > >
> > > What if one has a knife?
> > >
> >
> > Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
And it's pretty tough to have intercourse with a woman without a
penis.
"Fatherjohn" can still molest boys, however.
> But two men fighting without a gun present doesn't mean that lethal force
> isn't available as was implied previously.
"Fatherjohn" doesn't realize that it's impossible to blow somebody up
without making a something explode, too.
Gray Ghost
> "Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Hey fatherjohn, how are them little boys with the smoooth skin and the hard
weinies?
--
Frank
No quarter asked, no quarter given.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanlysis", 1952
I guess that explains Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Gary Condit.
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Christopher Morton
>James Mayer <jf...@mindnospamspring.com> wrote in message news:<afqljl$aeq$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>...
>> fathe...@subdimension.com (fatherjohn) writes:
>>
>> > Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>> > They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>> > families the next day. happy happy.
>> >
>> > Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
>>
>>
>> Or neither one hits the other and no one spends the night in jail.
>
>Different kind of thing can happen, but you cannot ignore one simple
>little fact: if there is a gun involved there is higher chance of
>shooting.
And if there are hands, there is a higher chance of beating and
choking.
--
"Besides most of Stalin's victims deserved it. For that matter
son did Hitlers." - William Huggins
"Far better a women is raped than a man is murdered. Rapists are human too you
know." - William Huggins
"Capatilists aren't human. Jews are capitalists. QED." - William Huggins
Christopher Morton
>Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
>They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
>families the next day. happy happy.
>
>Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
Let's suppose a 110lb. woman is walking to her car in a deserted
parking garage late at night. A 210lb. man accosts her. Neither has
a gun. He beats and rapes her... perhaps killing her as well.
Now what if she had a gun? She might not get raped or murdered, and
the rapist might end up in the morgue. You apparently don't see that
as a favorable outcome.
Christopher Morton
<thelon...@area51.gov> wrote:
>In article <20020701182513...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Kempvp1
><kem...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> How come there aren't loads of nws stories in this vein?
>
>They are ubiquitous, dumb ass.
If "ubiqitous" has changed definition to "unlikely".
But of course the REAL thing you're trying to avoid is women defending
themselves from rapists.
Joseph Lovell
RD Thompson wrote:
>
> fathe...@subdimension.com (fatherjohn) wrote in
> news:9dcec572.02070...@posting.google.com:
>
> > "Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:<PT2V8.33490
> >>
> >> What if one has a knife?
> >>
> >
> > Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a
> > knife.
> >
>
> It is like trying to stab someone with a gun. What's your point?
>
That's what bayonets are for.
Joseph
Michael P. Brininstool
>
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:51:11 GMT, "Michael P. Brininstool"
> <mik...@hoplite.org> wrote:
>
> >fatherjohn wrote:
> >>
> >> Let's suppose two guys get in a fight in a bar. Neither has a gun.
> >> They exchange blows, spend the night in jail, and go back to their
> >> families the next day. happy happy.
> >>
> >> Now what if one has a gun? The other might end up in the morgue.
> >
> >If one has a gun, he is violating many laws. Even licensed concealed
> >carry is not allowed in a bar in Texas.
>
> Not true. the Bar in question must make over 51% of it's revenues by
> the sale of alcoholic beverages. Did you miss this question on your
> CHL test?
>
> Oh, they should also be posting a 51% sign as required by law.
Well, if they are not making 51% of their revenues from alcohol,
then it isn't really a bar, is it?
--
Michael P. Brininstool mik...@hoplite.org
"Texas is state of mind. Texas is an obsession.
Above all Texas is a nation in every sense of the word."
-- "Travels with Charley" John Steinbeck
fatherjohn
> On 7 Jul 2002 05:42:31 -0700, fathe...@subdimension.com (fatherjohn)
> wrote:
>
> >"Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<PT2V8.33490
> >>
> >> What if one has a knife?
> >>
> >
> >Last time I checked, it was pretty hard to shoot somebody with a knife.
>
> No, not for a Soviet Spernatz trooper, they had ballistic knives which
> would shot the blade up to 10 meters or so.
>
Yeah, and fatherjohn is sure that people shooting eachother with
ballistic knives in bars is a BIG PROBLEM. (rolleyes). Besides,
fatherjohn suspects that ballistics knives will be banned along with
other types of guns.
Phil Smythe
As usual Mort you've got it completely wrong. Again.
You claim "knives were the most popular murder weapon", yet according
the the FBI "Crime the United States 2000"
(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_00/contents.pdf) 65.6% of murders occurred
where firearms were the weapon used as opposed to knives or cutting
instruments with only 13.5%.
The good news for you is that your "local" (Florida) stats are a tad
better, 56% firearms but only 9.8% cut/pierce in 1999
(http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10.html). The bad news is
that this shows your claim to be complete rubbish.
Now you like to call people who post stuff you disagree with "liars"
(regardless of the accuracy of their claims), so how should we judge
you?
Morton Davis
"fatherjohn" <fathe...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
news:9dcec572.02070...@posting.google.com...
People do not "shoot each other" with knives, but they do cut and stab each
other up close and personal.
-*MORT*-
Bill Gates
Is a person any deader when killed with a knife or a gun?
90% of those you say were killed with a gun were either suicides
killed by the police during the commission of a crime or were gang
bangers fighting over their turf....all good riddance killings
actually.
On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:23:30 +0800, Phil Smythe <smy...@upnaway.com>
wrote:
Phil Smythe
>
> Idiots...here is a question for you mental giants to ponder
>
> Is a person any deader when killed with a knife or a gun?
>
> 90% of those you say were killed with a gun were either suicides
> killed by the police during the commission of a crime or were gang
> bangers fighting over their turf....all good riddance killings
> actually.
>
I realise this question wasn't directly addressed to me but I'll try and
answer it anyway.
"Is a person any deader when killed with a knife or a gun"? The answer
is no. I hope that helps you.
Unfortunately now that's settled the problems begin. You really must be
careful when accusing others of being idiots that you don't
inadvertently show yourself to be one.
When you write "90% of those you say were killed with a gun were either
suicides killed by the police during the commission of a crime or were
gang bangers fighting over their turf", that is not what I said at all.
If you care to look at what I said it was "65.6% of murders occurred
where firearms were the weapon used". You might note the word "MURDER",
which is not the same as "killed" and even you would concede does cover
suicide.
Perhaps next time you accuse others of being "idiots" you should make
sure you get your own facts right.
Bill Gates
wrote:
>Bill Gates wrote:
Oh well in that case, 100% of those murdered were either killed by the
police, gang bangers in drug wars or killed during the commission of a
crime. Since murder requires motive....suicides and accidental
shootings dont qualify....once again I say...good riddance killings...
all the more reason for law abiding citizens to have a firearm.
And yes anyone who uses statistics to try and prove a point that can
then be easily reversed and used against them is an idiot.
Now then...nit pick semantics some more...your just like someone who
while the titantic was sinking...rearranged the deck
chairs....then...quibbled over the color scheme created when different
colored chairs were used...
Phil Smythe
Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Your claim above is plain
ridiculous. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Since murder requires motive....suicides and accidental
> shootings dont qualify....
Then why did you respond to my "murder" stats by ranting on about
"suicide"? It was never suggested bu me or anyone else that suicides
were included in murder data. Do you have some inside information?
once again I say...good riddance killings...
> all the more reason for law abiding citizens to have a firearm.
> And yes anyone who uses statistics to try and prove a point that can
> then be easily reversed and used against them is an idiot.
You don't have a clue, do you? My statistics were "65.6% of murders
occurred where firearms were the weapon used". Care to explain how you
would easily reverse them? Your method was to start babbling on about
suicides which indicates you merely change the subject and talk about
something else. Pretty slick! Or perhaps pretty idiotic?
>
> Now then...nit pick semantics some more...your just like someone who
> while the titantic was sinking...rearranged the deck
> chairs....then...quibbled over the color scheme created when different
> colored chairs were used...
As for semantics I'll again remind you that "murder" is not "suicide",
sorry to be picky but that's the way it is.
Che'Gu Maru
news:3D2C09A9...@upnaway.com...
Phil, I'm in agreement with you, and just wanted to add one point which
"Bill Gates" and the other idiots who want to ban firearms conveniently
forget:
There WAS a time in history during which people had only knives and bladed
weapons -- it was called the Dark Ages. When the only weapons available are
swords, knives, or polearms, the advantage is invariably to the most
ruthless, largest, and strongest. That is why the history of the Dark Ages
is one of areas being controlled by war lords who treated those under them
as less than dirt.
Democracy only became possible with the introduction of firearms, for a gun
IS "the great leveler." A sick old man with a gun can seriously defend
himself against a younger, healthy, and exceedingly strong attacker. That
simply is NOT generally true when both are wielding bladed weapons.
Guns made us freer and safer; individual firearm ownership continues to do
just that. It is this last verifiable fact which the gun-grabbers
deliberately ignore.
Robert Frenchu
>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>
>> Bill Gates wrote:
>...
>
>> Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Your claim
>> above is plain ridiculous. Do you have any idea what you're
>> talking about?
>
>"Bill Gates" is a Robert Frenchu sock puppet. Frenchu's act is
>to make moronic and patently false claims to get people to try
>and chase him all over the place on them.
>
>Although it might be overly polite to call it an "act".
>
____
"The old Nazi propaganda trick - accuse your opponents of being you."
-Lee Harrison 9/26/00
Bill Gates
<begone.spam...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Catl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote <Xns9248C058E5FBho...@130.133.1.4> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>>
>>> Bill Gates wrote:
>>...
>>
>>> Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Your claim
>>> above is plain ridiculous. Do you have any idea what you're
>>> talking about?
>>
A much better idea than you do since you snip out my words like
a child in kindergarden.
Henry Glenworthy
"Catl Nisarel" <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wet his
panties and the resultant pattern produced:
> While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
> "Che'Gu Maru" scratched this on the saloon table:
> > Democracy only became possible with the introduction of
> > firearms,
> Wow! The Greeks had guns 3000 years ago when they invented
> democracy?
Oh, yeah, a "democracy" in which slaves, women, and those who
didn't own property weren't allowed to vote. You bet.
> The things you learn in TPG...
You couldn't learn anything if a complete set of the Encyclopedia
Britannica fell on your head...
--
"The English think incompetence is the same thing as sincerity."
Quentin Crisp
=========================================
Michael Power
<Henry_Gl...@xoregontrail.net> wrote:
>"Catl Nisarel" <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wet his
>panties and the resultant pattern produced:
>
>> While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>> "Che'Gu Maru" scratched this on the saloon table:
>
>> > Democracy only became possible with the introduction of
>> > firearms,
>
>> Wow! The Greeks had guns 3000 years ago when they invented
>> democracy?
>
>Oh, yeah, a "democracy" in which slaves, women, and those who
>didn't own property weren't allowed to vote. You bet.
>
>> The things you learn in TPG...
>
>You couldn't learn anything if a complete set of the Encyclopedia
>Britannica fell on your head...
I'd gladly donate my set for dropping on his head.
--
Good shooting,
Mad Mike
"I've heard that phallic-symbol argument before, and
always from ineffectual people driven to make
everyone else as helpless as they are. Who's more
confused, those who think weapons are sexual organs
or those who want to take everyone's sexual organs
away?" -- L. Neil Smith, 'The Probability Broach'
Phil Smythe
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:33:51 -0700, Robert Frenchu
> <begone.spam...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >> Catl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote <Xns9248C058E5FBho...@130.133.1.4> in talk.politics.guns. :
> >
> >>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
> >>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
> >>
> >>> Bill Gates wrote:
> >>...
> >>
> >>> Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Your claim
> >>> above is plain ridiculous. Do you have any idea what you're
> >>> talking about?
> >>
> A much better idea than you do since you snip out my words like
> a child in kindergarden.
>
The above little effort is perhaps the greatest example of hypocrisy
ever presented in TPG. Gates completely snips every piece of my response
then complains about my snipping his words which is a complete lie. I
included every word of his rantings in my response which a viewing of
the posts clearly shows. If what I put in my response makes Gates look
silly it's no good trying to deflect the blame to someone else. If you
write rubbish expect it to be labelled as such.
Phil Smythe
I'm not sure you know who's arguing for what here.
Mind you I'd be keen to see you "verify" the "fact" that "Guns made us
freer and safer; individual firearm ownership continues to do just
that". Also your definition of the Dark Ages is one I've never seen
before, probably because it's incorrect. Your musings on democracy are
also mystifying. We have Henry Glenworthy here musing that there can't
be democracy if "slaves, women, and those who didn't own property
weren't allowed to vote" but I don't recall the voting rights for these
groups being achieved solely due to firearms, in fact with firearms
playing virtually no role I'm aware of.
Robert Frenchu
>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>
>> Bill Gates wrote:
>...
>
>> If you write rubbish expect it to be labelled as such.
>
>That's what Frenchu wants. He wants you to go after the moronic
>stuff.
That's pretty much all you post these days, isn't it? You proved
incapable of discussing the issue on Day One, troll.
_______
"Yet another gunnutter runs away spewing ad hominems."
-Catl, 10 June 2002
Bill Gates
wrote:
>Bill Gates wrote:
I snip nothing bub, if you are going to act like rubbish...you are
rubbish...live with it.
Dr. Jose Mariachi
>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>
>> Bill Gates wrote:
>...
>
>> Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Your claim
>> above is plain ridiculous. Do you have any idea what you're
>> talking about?
>
>"Bill Gates" is a Robert Frenchu sock puppet. Frenchu's act is
>to make moronic and patently false claims to get people to try
>and chase him all over the place on them.
>
>Although it might be overly polite to call it an "act".
>
Apparently, Mr. Catl sees Robert Frenchu all around him now. One hopes
he can remain heavily sedated, so as to not injure himself or others
while he works through these paranoid delusions.
Cordially,
Dr. Jose Mariachi
http://www.geocities.com/drjosemariachi/
Lev 20:27
Deut. 18:9
Surah Luqmaan 31:34
Al-Qur’an, 6:159
Al-Qur’an, 31:34
Kate
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Are you ignoring *me*?
--
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meow!
Robert Frenchu
>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:54:01 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>> Catl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote <Xns924960F1B46A6ho...@130.133.1.4> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>
>>>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>>>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>>>
>>>> Bill Gates wrote:
>>>...
>>>
>>>> If you write rubbish expect it to be labelled as such.
>>>
>>>That's what Frenchu wants. He wants you to go after the moronic
>>>stuff.
>>
>>That's pretty much all you post these days, isn't it? You proved
>>incapable of discussing the issue on Day One, troll.
>>
>>
>>_______
>>"Yet another gunnutter runs away spewing ad hominems."
>> -Catl, 10 June 2002
>
>Are you ignoring *me*?
I was told you were on vacation.
RD Thompson
news:Xns92495F837FE6Aho...@130.133.1.4:
> While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
> "Henry Glenworthy" scratched this on the saloon table:
>
>> Oh, yeah, a "democracy" in which slaves, women, and those who
>> didn't own property weren't allowed to vote. You bet.
>
> You mean the US for its first 150 years?
>
>
Yep. We were patterned after the Europeans in many regards.
--
Sleep well tonight.........
RD (The Sandman)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rdsandman
Whether a gun is used to save a life or to illegally
take one, the only difference is whose hands are
in control of that gun. The gun itself is neutral.
Kate
<begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>> Kate <Ka...@meow.org> wrote <9e3uiu0f156lgcph7...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:54:01 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>>> Catl Nisarel <hostl...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote <Xns924960F1B46A6ho...@130.133.1.4> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>>
>>>>While waiting for Wyatt Earp to finish playing the piano,
>>>>"Phil Smythe" scratched this on the saloon table:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill Gates wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>> If you write rubbish expect it to be labelled as such.
>>>>
>>>>That's what Frenchu wants. He wants you to go after the moronic
>>>>stuff.
>>>
>>>That's pretty much all you post these days, isn't it? You proved
>>>incapable of discussing the issue on Day One, troll.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______
>>>"Yet another gunnutter runs away spewing ad hominems."
>>> -Catl, 10 June 2002
>>
>>Are you ignoring *me*?
>
>I was told you were on vacation.
Oh?
Actually, I posted a message to you the other day, in this group,
which you ignored. I've been wanting to thank you for showing me that
picture of the guy with the mega-pierced face. Take a looksee at the
web site in my sig file. Particularly my lower lip. =)
How's the slipper business?
Robert Frenchu
>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:13 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>>Are you ignoring *me*?
>>
>>I was told you were on vacation.
>
>Oh?
>
>Actually, I posted a message to you the other day, in this group,
>which you ignored.
I didn't see it. I'm not capable of ignoring your messages.
>I've been wanting to thank you for showing me that
>picture of the guy with the mega-pierced face. Take a looksee at the
>web site in my sig file. Particularly my lower lip. =)
Oh no! Please tell me that's a touched up photo. Hey I have a new dog
like that too.
>How's the slipper business?
Slow, what with it being so hot and all- everyone is walking around
barefoot. But it's a good time to tan hides and dream about snow.
Kate
<begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <k96viu0a4seritm3u...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:13 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>
>>>>Are you ignoring *me*?
>>>
>>>I was told you were on vacation.
>>
>>Oh?
>>
>>Actually, I posted a message to you the other day, in this group,
>>which you ignored.
>
>I didn't see it. I'm not capable of ignoring your messages.
Hee.
I did wonder if you'd catch it -- there are a lot of posts here and I
just subbed in and searched for the first time your name showed up. =)
>>I've been wanting to thank you for showing me that
>>picture of the guy with the mega-pierced face. Take a looksee at the
>>web site in my sig file. Particularly my lower lip. =)
>
>Oh no! Please tell me that's a touched up photo. Hey I have a new dog
>like that too.
Well, it's touched up, our digital camera has a tendency to take pix
that are pretty crappy, at least when I'm around it, but the pierce is
definitely there. I wear a teeny diamond in it and most people don't
actually notice it unless they stare.
Are you nice to your new golden retriever? You haven't used him for
target practice have you?
>>How's the slipper business?
>
>Slow, what with it being so hot and all- everyone is walking around
>barefoot. But it's a good time to tan hides and dream about snow.
I moved here to escape snow, but no one told me that Oregon was part
desert, nor did they mention the 109 degree summer days.
I miss the Great Lakes lots.
Robert Frenchu
>On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 05:39:21 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <k96viu0a4seritm3u...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>
>>>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:13 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>>><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>
>>>>>Are you ignoring *me*?
>>>>
>>>>I was told you were on vacation.
>>>
>>>Oh?
>>>
>>>Actually, I posted a message to you the other day, in this group,
>>>which you ignored.
>>
>>I didn't see it. I'm not capable of ignoring your messages.
>
>Hee.
>
>I did wonder if you'd catch it -- there are a lot of posts here and I
>just subbed in and searched for the first time your name showed up. =)
I did a Goggle search and the post you mentioned didn't turn up there
either. I think it might be a Republican Conspiracy.
>>>I've been wanting to thank you for showing me that
>>>picture of the guy with the mega-pierced face. Take a looksee at the
>>>web site in my sig file. Particularly my lower lip. =)
>>
>>Oh no! Please tell me that's a touched up photo. Hey I have a new dog
>>like that too.
>
>Well, it's touched up, our digital camera has a tendency to take pix
>that are pretty crappy, at least when I'm around it, but the pierce is
>definitely there. I wear a teeny diamond in it and most people don't
>actually notice it unless they stare.
Eww, it's so gross that you would poke holes in your body like that.
>Are you nice to your new golden retriever? You haven't used him for
>target practice have you?
It's a her, and of course not, she's still just a puppy. But her fur
is sooooooooo soft.... [sigh]
>>>How's the slipper business?
>>
>>Slow, what with it being so hot and all- everyone is walking around
>>barefoot. But it's a good time to tan hides and dream about snow.
>
>I moved here to escape snow, but no one told me that Oregon was part
>desert, nor did they mention the 109 degree summer days.
>
>I miss the Great Lakes lots.
I remember living in Eugene and all you could smell was Springfield,
where it smelled like wet cardboard all the time. But eastern Oregon
is just like Nevada, only different.
There's lots of little furry creatures running around up there I'll
bet.
Kate
<begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>I did a Goggle search and the post you mentioned didn't turn up there
>either. I think it might be a Republican Conspiracy.
Please don't disillusion me now by telling me that you're a Democrat
too, Frenchu.
I think it's there, but I posted it under Ka...@meow.org -- in the
futile attempt to keep one of my fanbois from seeing it. You have a
troll here who is trolling me elsewhere.
He was very excited to see me here, and even now is breathlessly
awaiting the moment I divulge private information he can then
gleefully snatch up and crosspost elsewhere.
Some people seriously need a more interesting life.
>Eww, it's so gross that you would poke holes in your body like that.
I don't plan on getting any more but you don't think it's even a
*little* bit cute?
I'm now considering a tattoo. Do you have any pictures to help me make
that decision?
>>Are you nice to your new golden retriever? You haven't used him for
>>target practice have you?
>
>It's a her, and of course not, she's still just a puppy. But her fur
>is sooooooooo soft.... [sigh]
Awwwww! =)
They are *so* fuzzy, Fozzy is still all downy fluff and he's two years
old. Very loving, loyal, happy, huggy dogs. Fozzy weighs 105 pounds,
but he's unusual for a GR.
Does that mean you'll use her for target practice when she's a bit
older? You aren't considering a new line of puppy slippers are you?
>I remember living in Eugene and all you could smell was Springfield,
>where it smelled like wet cardboard all the time. But eastern Oregon
>is just like Nevada, only different.
Here is a Typical Smartie, parting with information ~after~ the fact.
Eugene is a beautiful city, they spend more money on the sidewalks
there than they do on the streets in Michigan.
Fozzy liked *that* river. He won't go in the river here, which is wise
considering all the SNAKES OF MANY COLORS who slither there, because
the first time he got sucked in the current and almost drowned. He was
insisting on coming to shore at the same place he went in from.
Possibly Golden Retrievers, or at the very least, Fozzy, are not your
brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree.
I've never been to Nevada, is it all sagebrush and dusty dirt? This is
nothing like Arizona. The desert is pretty there.
>There's lots of little furry creatures running around up there I'll
>bet.
Too many, unfortunately.
Robert Frenchu
>On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:45:32 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>
>>I did a Goggle search and the post you mentioned didn't turn up there
>>either. I think it might be a Republican Conspiracy.
>
>Please don't disillusion me now by telling me that you're a Democrat
>too, Frenchu.
<Sgt._Shultz>
Verrry Funnnnnnnny Col. Hogan
</Sgt._Shultz>
>>Eww, it's so gross that you would poke holes in your body like that.
>
>I don't plan on getting any more but you don't think it's even a
>*little* bit cute?
I'm sorry, I find the whole practice to be unhealthy on several
levels. I can only imagine that lip plates and neck rings will be
next.
>I'm now considering a tattoo. Do you have any pictures to help me make
>that decision?
I was going to send a link to some pictures of tongue splitting and
teeth filing sites but I fell ill before I could press <CTRL>-V
I urge you to reconsider. As far as pictures, please picture yourself
at 50 years of age, waiting in line at Safeway, with this 30-year-old
tattoo peeking out from underneath whatever you're wearing, all dark
bluish and ugly looking. Children are pointing and whispering.
>They are *so* fuzzy, Fozzy is still all downy fluff and he's two years
>old. Very loving, loyal, happy, huggy dogs. Fozzy weighs 105 pounds,
>but he's unusual for a GR.
That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
50 pounds.
>Does that mean you'll use her for target practice when she's a bit
>older? You aren't considering a new line of puppy slippers are you?
Of course not, but I will do my best to keep her coat as shiny and
healthy as possible so she can, um, continue to be close to be after
her passing.
>Eugene is a beautiful city, they spend more money on the sidewalks
>there than they do on the streets in Michigan.
I loved their little downtown, all closed off to cars. Every town
should do that.
>I've never been to Nevada, is it all sagebrush and dusty dirt? This is
>nothing like Arizona. The desert is pretty there.
On the contrary, I went to a place two weekends ago where the water
was gushing out of the ground, tall green grass waved in the wind, the
trees formed a canopy overhead as we traveled down the road, and Julie
Andrews burst out singing The Sound of Music as we traveled through
the alpine splendor.
I heard tell Nevada has more surface water than Oregon. Do you believe
that?
Kate
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>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <se63jukuupqkhq8m6...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:45:32 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>
>>>I did a Goggle search and the post you mentioned didn't turn up there
>>>either. I think it might be a Republican Conspiracy.
>>
>>Please don't disillusion me now by telling me that you're a Democrat
>>too, Frenchu.
>
><Sgt._Shultz>
>Verrry Funnnnnnnny Col. Hogan
></Sgt._Shultz>
Sig File!
>>>Eww, it's so gross that you would poke holes in your body like that.
>>
>>I don't plan on getting any more but you don't think it's even a
>>*little* bit cute?
>
>I'm sorry, I find the whole practice to be unhealthy on several
>levels. I can only imagine that lip plates and neck rings will be
>next.
Hee, I wondered the same thing.
>>I'm now considering a tattoo. Do you have any pictures to help me make
>>that decision?
>
>I was going to send a link to some pictures of tongue splitting and
>teeth filing sites but I fell ill before I could press <CTRL>-V
Thank you. And I mean that.
I was a bit worried someone would post a jpg of an infected pierce or
something. Now I don't get binaries. =)
>I urge you to reconsider. As far as pictures, please picture yourself
>at 50 years of age, waiting in line at Safeway, with this 30-year-old
>tattoo peeking out from underneath whatever you're wearing, all dark
>bluish and ugly looking. Children are pointing and whispering.
I don't know. 20 years ago that was a valid point. Now grandmaws are
going with grandkids to get tattoos. The inks are better.
I think you've convinced me though.
What about a henna tattoo?
>>They are *so* fuzzy, Fozzy is still all downy fluff and he's two years
>>old. Very loving, loyal, happy, huggy dogs. Fozzy weighs 105 pounds,
>>but he's unusual for a GR.
>
>That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
>50 pounds.
Congrats, but *that* was awfully swift, wasn't it?
Your puppy will be a wonderful friend for her.
>>Does that mean you'll use her for target practice when she's a bit
>>older? You aren't considering a new line of puppy slippers are you?
>
>Of course not, but I will do my best to keep her coat as shiny and
>healthy as possible so she can, um, continue to be close to be after
>her passing.
Thank you for disgusting me at least once. ;)
>>Eugene is a beautiful city, they spend more money on the sidewalks
>>there than they do on the streets in Michigan.
>
>I loved their little downtown, all closed off to cars. Every town
>should do that.
I don't think it is anymore? They just have big barricades in the
middle of the street that you have to slow way down to avoid hitting.
>>I've never been to Nevada, is it all sagebrush and dusty dirt? This is
>>nothing like Arizona. The desert is pretty there.
>
>On the contrary, I went to a place two weekends ago where the water
>was gushing out of the ground, tall green grass waved in the wind, the
>trees formed a canopy overhead as we traveled down the road, and Julie
>Andrews burst out singing The Sound of Music as we traveled through
>the alpine splendor.
*giggle*
Oh, g'wan witchu. =)
Was that in Reno mebbe?
>I heard tell Nevada has more surface water than Oregon. Do you believe
>that?
YES! I think EVERYWHERE must have more surface water than Oregon.
Of course Nevada just has to count Lake Powell.
Robert Frenchu
>What about a henna tattoo?
Causes cancer in laboratory baby lambs.
>>>They are *so* fuzzy, Fozzy is still all downy fluff and he's two years
>>>old. Very loving, loyal, happy, huggy dogs. Fozzy weighs 105 pounds,
>>>but he's unusual for a GR.
>>
>>That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
>>50 pounds.
>
>Congrats, but *that* was awfully swift, wasn't it?
>Your puppy will be a wonderful friend for her.
They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>>>Eugene is a beautiful city, they spend more money on the sidewalks
>>>there than they do on the streets in Michigan.
>>
>>I loved their little downtown, all closed off to cars. Every town
>>should do that.
>
>I don't think it is anymore? They just have big barricades in the
>middle of the street that you have to slow way down to avoid hitting.
That's too bad. I guess the hippies have all left.
>>>I've never been to Nevada, is it all sagebrush and dusty dirt? This is
>>>nothing like Arizona. The desert is pretty there.
>>
>>On the contrary, I went to a place two weekends ago where the water
>>was gushing out of the ground, tall green grass waved in the wind, the
>>trees formed a canopy overhead as we traveled down the road, and Julie
>>Andrews burst out singing The Sound of Music as we traveled through
>>the alpine splendor.
>
>*giggle*
>
>Oh, g'wan witchu. =)
>
>Was that in Reno mebbe?
It was on the Overland Trail. Here's a map- don't tell anyone about
it, for goodness sake.
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=4362216&e=439438&s=50&size=l
>>I heard tell Nevada has more surface water than Oregon. Do you believe
>>that?
>
>YES! I think EVERYWHERE must have more surface water than Oregon.
>
>Of course Nevada just has to count Lake Powell.
I think you mean Lake Mead. Ni!
Kate
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>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <g975ju4r0vop8s9it...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>
>>What about a henna tattoo?
>
>Causes cancer in laboratory baby lambs.
I don't believe you...
>>>That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
>>>50 pounds.
>>
>>Congrats, but *that* was awfully swift, wasn't it?
>>Your puppy will be a wonderful friend for her.
>
>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
The baby, or the puppy? =)
>>I don't think it is anymore? They just have big barricades in the
>>middle of the street that you have to slow way down to avoid hitting.
>
>That's too bad. I guess the hippies have all left.
I don't think so... they're just a younger breed.
These ones like to put big huge plates in their ears. =)
>>>>I've never been to Nevada, is it all sagebrush and dusty dirt? This is
>>>>nothing like Arizona. The desert is pretty there.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, I went to a place two weekends ago where the water
>>>was gushing out of the ground, tall green grass waved in the wind, the
>>>trees formed a canopy overhead as we traveled down the road, and Julie
>>>Andrews burst out singing The Sound of Music as we traveled through
>>>the alpine splendor.
>>
>>*giggle*
>>
>>Oh, g'wan witchu. =)
>>
>>Was that in Reno mebbe?
>
>It was on the Overland Trail. Here's a map- don't tell anyone about
>it, for goodness sake.
>http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=4362216&e=439438&s=50&size=l
>
Well. I'm sure it's nice, Frenchu, but that map just looks like a big
brain to me.
>>>I heard tell Nevada has more surface water than Oregon. Do you believe
>>>that?
>>
>>YES! I think EVERYWHERE must have more surface water than Oregon.
>>
>>Of course Nevada just has to count Lake Powell.
>
>I think you mean Lake Mead. Ni!
Eep!
Is Lake Mead the one that the Grand Canyon dumps into?
JM
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> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:19:18 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
> <begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
> >> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote
<g975ju4r0vop8s9it...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
> >
> >
> >>What about a henna tattoo?
> >
> >Causes cancer in laboratory baby lambs.
>
> I don't believe you...
You do know that HIV (and other nasties) can be spread
in the ink used in tatoos? At least that is what I heard.
And no, Robert, I dont have a cite. Just something I
would check out if I was thinking of getting a tattoo.
You mean the Colorado?
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>On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:19:18 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <g975ju4r0vop8s9it...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>
>>
>>>What about a henna tattoo?
>>
>>Causes cancer in laboratory baby lambs.
>
>I don't believe you...
>
>>>>That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
>>>>50 pounds.
>>>
>>>Congrats, but *that* was awfully swift, wasn't it?
>>>Your puppy will be a wonderful friend for her.
>>
>>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>
>The baby, or the puppy? =)
Exactly. "Lamb & rice" seems to be a favorite.
>>It was on the Overland Trail. Here's a map- don't tell anyone about
>>it, for goodness sake.
>>http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=4362216&e=439438&s=50&size=l
>>
>Well. I'm sure it's nice, Frenchu, but that map just looks like a big
>brain to me.
Come to think of it, it looked like a big brain with trees, and Julie
Andrews came out from behind a parietal lobe studded with pinon pines.
>>>>I heard tell Nevada has more surface water than Oregon. Do you believe
>>>>that?
>>>
>>>YES! I think EVERYWHERE must have more surface water than Oregon.
>>>
>>>Of course Nevada just has to count Lake Powell.
>>
>>I think you mean Lake Mead. Ni!
>
>Eep!
>
>Is Lake Mead the one that the Grand Canyon dumps into?
Eventually, yes. Would you like another map? :>
Kate
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>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <61q9juk2tfafedv1k...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>>>>That's quite large. My little girl is only 6 months old and a bit over
>>>>>50 pounds.
>>>>
>>>>Congrats, but *that* was awfully swift, wasn't it?
>>>>Your puppy will be a wonderful friend for her.
>>>
>>>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>>
>>The baby, or the puppy? =)
>
>Exactly. "Lamb & rice" seems to be a favorite.
That's really not quite nice, Frenchu.
>>>It was on the Overland Trail. Here's a map- don't tell anyone about
>>>it, for goodness sake.
>>>http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=4362216&e=439438&s=50&size=l
>>>
>>Well. I'm sure it's nice, Frenchu, but that map just looks like a big
>>brain to me.
>
>Come to think of it, it looked like a big brain with trees, and Julie
>Andrews came out from behind a parietal lobe studded with pinon pines.
Lol. Was she using a walker?
>>>I think you mean Lake Mead. Ni!
>>
>>Eep!
>>
>>Is Lake Mead the one that the Grand Canyon dumps into?
>
>Eventually, yes. Would you like another map?
Prolly best that I don't see anymore maps. No telling what body parts
the next one you come up with will resemble.
Robert Frenchu
>On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:01:14 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <61q9juk2tfafedv1k...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>>>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>>>
>>>The baby, or the puppy? =)
>>
>>Exactly. "Lamb & rice" seems to be a favorite.
>
>That's really not quite nice, Frenchu.
Yeah, but you should see how shiny their coats are.
>>Come to think of it, it looked like a big brain with trees, and Julie
>>Andrews came out from behind a parietal lobe studded with pinon pines.
>
>Lol. Was she using a walker?
The resume link is broken on your web site. What are you trying to
hide, anyway?
Kate
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>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <aefcjucav5p4je30l...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>
>>On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:01:14 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>>>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote <61q9juk2tfafedv1k...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>
>>>>>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>>>>
>>>>The baby, or the puppy? =)
>>>
>>>Exactly. "Lamb & rice" seems to be a favorite.
>>
>>That's really not quite nice, Frenchu.
>
>Yeah, but you should see how shiny their coats are.
Hee!
>>>Come to think of it, it looked like a big brain with trees, and Julie
>>>Andrews came out from behind a parietal lobe studded with pinon pines.
>>
>>Lol. Was she using a walker?
>
>The resume link is broken on your web site. What are you trying to
>hide, anyway?
As much as possible. =)
Morton Davis
tattoo of a branding may not have the same alure when you see it in your
mirror 30 years from now. You're cute, try not to mess it up.
-*MORT*-
Kate
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>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:46:05 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>> <begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>> >> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote
><aefcjucav5p4je30l...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:01:14 -0700 I answered Robert Frenchu
>> >><begone.spam...@nospam.net> from talk.politics.guns.
>> >>>> Kate <ano...@meow.org> wrote
><61q9juk2tfafedv1k...@4ax.com> in talk.politics.guns. :
>> >>
>> >>>>>They both eat the same food, so I suppose I should have expected it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The baby, or the puppy? =)
>> >>>
>> >>>Exactly. "Lamb & rice" seems to be a favorite.
>> >>
>> >>That's really not quite nice, Frenchu.
>> >
>> >Yeah, but you should see how shiny their coats are.
>>
>> Hee!
>>
>> >>>Come to think of it, it looked like a big brain with trees, and Julie
>> >>>Andrews came out from behind a parietal lobe studded with pinon pines.
>> >>
>> >>Lol. Was she using a walker?
>> >
>> >The resume link is broken on your web site. What are you trying to
>> >hide, anyway?
>>
>> As much as possible. =)
> I hope it's not a tattoo or a branding.
I can honestly say that's one thing I've never considered.
> Piercings will heal over, but a
>tattoo of a branding may not have the same alure when you see it in your
>mirror 30 years from now. You're cute, try not to mess it up.
Aww! =)
But... *nobody* likes my pierces.
Morton Davis
studs in each eyebrow, a "Prince Albert" type in her nose, a sparkly in her
nose, matching nipple rings, rings in her nether regions, one in her navel.
Sunburst tattoo around her navel, wings on her butt, barbed wire around her
upper arms. She was beautiful without the tattoos and piercings. I've seen
what she'll look like in 30 years. It's not pretty.
I don't dislike your pierces. I don't understand them because I'm from a
different era. The extremes of piercing are really exotic. Like the guy who
had his scalp split ao a metal plat with real steel spikes could be afixed
to his skull. He sports a steel spike mowhawk.
Anyone who come near me with a "Prince Albert", thinking they are going to
install it, is a dead man :-)
-*MORT*-
Kate
A can?
I haven't seen a picture of the guy recently, don't tell me he pierced
the royal body?
> a sparkly in her
>nose, matching nipple rings, rings in her nether regions, one in her navel.
NEVER!!1!
>Sunburst tattoo around her navel, wings on her butt, barbed wire around her
>upper arms.
My boyfriend wants me to do the barbed wire thingy. I don't think
so...
> She was beautiful without the tattoos and piercings. I've seen
>what she'll look like in 30 years. It's not pretty.
That seems a bit much to me. As Frenchu knows, I drew the line at just
the eyebrow pierce, because I thought any more would be excessive. But
I *wanted* a lip pierce, because I think they're cute. Then when he
showed me that one pic I decided that just one more wouldn't hurt. =)
>I don't dislike your pierces. I don't understand them because I'm from a
>different era. The extremes of piercing are really exotic. Like the guy who
>had his scalp split ao a metal plat with real steel spikes could be afixed
>to his skull. He sports a steel spike mowhawk.
That's exotic alright.
I don't have any tattoos, but I understand that it's almost a high
getting them.
>Anyone who come near me with a "Prince Albert", thinking they are going to
>install it, is a dead man :-)
Well, I'd prolly feel the same way -- if I knew what it was.
W. E. Woods
"The Prince Albert piercing is named after Prince Albert, who was the
husband of Queen
Victoria of England. He was reputed to have had this piercing done prior
to his
marriage to the queen around 1825, at that time Beau Brummel started the
craze for
ultra tight men’s trousers. Because the pants were so tight, the penis
needed to be
held to one side or the other so as not to create an unsightly bulge. To
accomplish this
some men had their penis pierced to allow it to be held by a hook on the
inside of the
trousers. This piercing was called a “Dressing Ring” at the time because
tailors would
ask if a gentleman dressed to the left or the right and tailor the
trousers accordingly."
http://www.steelnavel.com/category.asp?type=PI&ID=22
http://www.bme.freeq.com/pierce/09-male/pa/A00324/patotall.html
Anyone so inclined as to think that I need this done should keep in mind
that I am armed. <g>
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