How to get around the gun ban
Eric Pinnell
worth
on the subject of gun bans. First, if you state does indeed ban the posession
of
an arm you own, by all means rent an out of state storage locker for your
guns. For example, if you live in California, rent a box in Nevada, which is
far
more pro gun.
If the feds decide upon a gun ban, by all means bury your guns, and then
report them as stolen. You still have access to them for the upcoming
revolution.
And a house to house search won't find them.
Eric Pinnell
Robert Frenchu
Or bury them in your neighbor's yard, especially if you don't like him
or her. Close by, yet if they're found you can give 'em your "Who,
me?" look.
____________________________________________________
If my "assault rifle" makes me a criminal
And my encryption program makes me a terrorist
Does Dianne Feinstein's vagina make her a prostitute?
Robert J. Christman
>
> With all the doom and gloom talk on t.p.g, I figured I'd put in my 2 cents
> worth
> on the subject of gun bans. First, if you state does indeed ban the posession
> of
> an arm you own, by all means rent an out of state storage locker for your
> guns. For example, if you live in California, rent a box in Nevada, which is
> far
> more pro gun.
> If the feds decide upon a gun ban, by all means bury your guns, and then
> report them as stolen. You still have access to them for the upcoming
> revolution.
> And a house to house search won't find them.
>
If the state bans them both they and I will be moving. If
the feds ban them and start doing house to house searches
the revolution will begin, don't need to bury them.
--
Bob C. NRA Endowment USN (Ret)
Eric Pinnell
Robert Frenchu wrote:
> Or bury them in your neighbor's yard, especially if you don't like him
> or her. Close by, yet if they're found you can give 'em your "Who,
> me?" look.
Not doable. Your neighbour would have to not be around. Far better to bury
them in the desert, where it's dry and far from people.
Eric Pinnell
HerrGlock
> On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:13:32 -0500, the one called Eric Pinnell
> <epi...@ibm.net> wrote:
>
> > With all the doom and gloom talk on t.p.g, I figured I'd put in my 2 cents
> >worth
> >on the subject of gun bans. First, if you state does indeed ban the posession
> >of
> >an arm you own, by all means rent an out of state storage locker for your
> >guns. For example, if you live in California, rent a box in Nevada, which is
> >far
> >more pro gun.
> > If the feds decide upon a gun ban, by all means bury your guns, and then
> >report them as stolen. You still have access to them for the upcoming
> >revolution.
> >And a house to house search won't find them.
> >
> >Eric Pinnell
>
> Or bury them in your neighbor's yard, especially if you don't like him
> or her. Close by, yet if they're found you can give 'em your "Who,
> me?" look.
Bury a couple in Ray, Oracle, Albert or Pim's yards too and be sure to report the
misdeeds of those ruffians <g>.
HerrGlock
Skjaldi
find them.
If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell out
guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
Running and hiding wont be a good option.
Scout
Skjaldi <skj...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981108153923...@ng135.aol.com>...
> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal
detector to
> find them.
That I would love to see. Assume average 1/4 acre lot. Including in the
crawl space. Given old sewer lines, cast iron pipes, ect, ect, ect. Right
sure.
> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the
dogs
> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also
smell out
> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder. So tell us all, how the metal
of a gun has a distinctive oder that is different from say, that of a 16
penny nail. So far as I was aware, steel smells like steel, smells like
steel. I would love to see a dog that could smell out the difference
between a gun hiden behind the wall, and the nails that hold that wall
together.
Herman B. Finkelstein
DGC
No more placating the powerful feds my friends. If it (when) gets to the
point where they actually try it, then thats the time to stand up and be
counted. The only place mine will be buried is in the gut of the poor
unfortunate slob who try's to come in my front door and take it away from
me. I don't want it, but if it comes to me then you do what you have to do.
Paul Stevens
Why waste perfectly good guns on them? Give the feds an anonymous
tip that they have unregistered machineguns and a drug lab in their
basement. :)
The feds won't know it was a bogus tip, until they get through sifting
through the ashes (gives them time to come up with a story to cover
themselves). :)
P.S.
HerrGlock
Who said anything about "good" guns. What about the $10 pieces of junk you've gotten
for gun buy backs that pay $50 with no questions asked.
> The feds won't know it was a bogus tip, until they get through sifting
> through the ashes (gives them time to come up with a story to cover
> themselves). :)
They've also already heard all the excuses that someone would come up with for "those
aren't mine..." from the legit gun owners.
BTW, this is a JOKE, folks. I am joking. It's pathetic that I actually have to
explain that, but that's the way it is.
HerrGlock
Paul Stevens
>
> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
> find them.
Don't have much imagination, do you?
If you happen to live on a farm, you can spread a layer of manure over
a sizeable area. Before doing so, bury some pieces of scrap (old
horseshoes, iron pipe, etc.) in several places. Imagine all the fun
of watching the feds dig up every piece of scrap (standing ankle deep
in sh**). Don't bury the guns there (why should you have to dig
through all that manure, just to get your guns?).
> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell out
> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
They don't smell guns, they smell the chemicals in the powder and
powder residue. They're called bomb sniffing dogs. Fire blanks in
every room in your house (the residue hangs around for a good while),
and the dog will be finding "gun" smells everywhere it goes.
> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
Why run if they can't find anything?
P.S.
HerrGlock
> Scout wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder.
>
> True
>
> > So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that is
> > different from say, that of a 16
> > penny nail.
>
> Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of powder.
> Your on scent. to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
> to!
Those dogs would have epileptic seizures in my house, then. All those are soaked
into my reloading bench, in the vaccum cleaner, spent primers that bounced out of
the reloader that stuck into shoes. Clothing spilled with all of the above that
sat in the laundry hamper for a while or on the floor beside the hamper...
> > So far as I was aware, steel smells like steel, smells like
> > steel. I would love to see a dog that could smell out the difference
> > between a gun hiden behind the wall, and the nails that hold that wall
> > together.
>
> I wouldn't that will mean it to late to do sh*t..If you do hide your guns in
> the wall, floors ect. place a dead mouse or something to the approach. And red
> pepper beyond that point just in case. They may find your guns but that dog
> will be gun shy from that point on, pun intended.
Or, just take used Hoppe's (with all the burnt powder, lead and copper traces) and
pour it into the corners of the house and have a wall cutout that holds the gun of
your choice in a wallpapered room. You'd know where it is and only a piece of
paper would be between you and it at any time. Muslin and paint make a good
painted wall look alike as well.
HerrGlock
Dean, Greg
cents
>worth on the subject of gun bans. First, if you state does indeed ban the
>posession of an arm you own, by all means rent an out of state storage
>locker for your guns. For example, if you live in California, rent a box
in >Nevada, which is far more pro gun.
>
> If the feds decide upon a gun ban, by all means bury your guns, and
then
>report them as stolen. You still have access to them for the upcoming
>revolution. And a house to house search won't find them.
>
>Eric Pinnell
>
Now might be a time to learn how to be a machinist. Good skill
to have. And there are lots of books that show how to build a
AK-47, plans and everything.
Plus a little chemistry and you can make gunpowder from household
chemicals.
Mark Jones
Skjaldi wrote:
> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
> find them.
Not if you've scattered metal BBs through the yard, and your neighbors' yards, and
across the street, and....
> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell out
> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
I don't agree with burying your guns anyhow. If it goes that far, its time to USE
them.
> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
Tell it to Eric Rudolph and those two guys in Colorado (or Utah or wherever). The
whole might and majesty of local, state and federal authority has been unable to
find ANY of them.
--
Mark Jones
"The most difficult struggle of all is the one within ourselves. Let us not get
accustomed and adjusted to these conditions. The one who adjusts ceases to
discriminate between good and evil. He becomes a slave in body and soul. Whatever
may happen to you, remember always: Don't adjust! Revolt against the reality!" -
Mordechai Anielewicz, Warsaw, 1943
Tim Tyler
shaving then get out the ole' grass seeder and have at it. On the other hand if
you don't, bury a few length of pipe here and there just for laughs.
Tim Tyler
Scout wrote:
>
>
>
> Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder.
True
> So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that is
> different from say, that of a 16
> penny nail.
Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of powder.
Your on scent. to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
to!
> So far as I was aware, steel smells like steel, smells like
Scout
Tim Tyler <f...@interlaced.net> wrote in article
<3646407B...@interlaced.net>...
>
>
> Scout wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder.
>
> True
>
> > So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that is
> > different from say, that of a 16
> > penny nail.
>
> Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of
powder.
> Your on scent.
My own scent.....you mean the scent that is ALL OVER THE HOUSE? That scent?
> to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
> to!
So then what you're telling us is that if we either clean off all of these,
or seal it so that they can't escape, then there will be nothing for the
dogs to track. I tell you what. Having cleaned numerous guns here, I doubt
if any dog is going to be able to locate anything since the whole place is
loaded with the scent. Opps, but then you didn't think of that, did you?
So tell us again, what scent they would trace. How do you tell the
difference between a positive result and the countless false results that
would occur in any the home that was ever occupied by a gun owner?
> > So far as I was aware, steel smells like steel, smells like
> > steel. I would love to see a dog that could smell out the difference
> > between a gun hiden behind the wall, and the nails that hold that wall
> > together.
>
> I wouldn't that will mean it to late to do sh*t..If you do hide your guns
in
> the wall, floors ect. place a dead mouse or something to the approach.
And red
> pepper beyond that point just in case. They may find your guns but that
dog
> will be gun shy from that point on, pun intended.
Nope, the idea that a dog could track the owners guns based on scent is
silly. Now I'm sure that it would work in places like the convention center
or such other public places were guns aren't normally found, since in those
places the oder would be distinctive, but to claim that would carry over
into homes that have been loaded with the scent and then to ask the dog to
locate a particular item out of that mess of identical scents, is well,
silly. It would be like asking a dog to locate the stash in a crack house.
The WHOLE place is a postive as far as the dog is concerned.
Tim Tyler
gun.
Scout wrote:
> Tim Tyler <f...@interlaced.net> wrote in article
> <3646407B...@interlaced.net>...
> >
> >
> > Scout wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder.
> >
> > True
> >
> > > So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that is
> > > different from say, that of a 16
> > > penny nail.
> >
> > Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of
> powder.
> > Your on scent.
>
> My own scent.....you mean the scent that is ALL OVER THE HOUSE? That scent?
>
> > to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
> > to!
>
> So then what you're telling us is that if we either clean off all of these,
> or seal it so that they can't escape, then there will be nothing for the
> dogs to track. I tell you what. Having cleaned numerous guns here, I doubt
> if any dog is going to be able to locate anything since the whole place is
> loaded with the scent. Opps, but then you didn't think of that, did you?
>
How often do you clean things other than your guns? Sorry had to ask that.
> So tell us again, what scent they would trace. How do you tell the
> difference between a positive result and the countless false results that
> would occur in any the home that was ever occupied by a gun owner?
I guess they couldn't but do you think if it spirals that low they'll not rip
hole in your walls, floors, ect.I would never bury or wall up a gun in the
first place. It become useless.
Nick Hull
(Skjaldi) wrote:
> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
> find them.
> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also
smell out
> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
If the feds can do all that, why can't they find Rudolph?
--
Free men own guns - slaves don't
Committees of Correspondence web page:
<http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/>
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Nick Hull
<sin...@teleport.com> wrote:
> Skjaldi wrote:
>
> > If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal
detector to
> > find them.
>
> Not if you've scattered metal BBs through the yard, and your neighbors'
yards, and
> across the street, and....
>
A really good option is to go down to your local range and scoop uf all
those steel cased berdan primed cases that nobody wants. It is steel and
smells like gunpowder and can be buried all over the place! No loss when
it is found either, and they will keep finding it and finding it
and........
Nick Hull
<sc...@monumental.com> wrote:
> Tim Tyler <f...@interlaced.net> wrote in article
> <3646407B...@interlaced.net>...
>
> > > So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that is
> > > different from say, that of a 16
> > > penny nail.
> >
> > Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of
> powder.
> > Your on scent.
>
> My own scent.....you mean the scent that is ALL OVER THE HOUSE? That scent?
>
> > to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
> > to!
>
It's no real problem to clean your guns with carb cleaner and oil them with
refrigeration oil. Lots of substitutes are availiable.
Not only that, but most of the BreakFree that I use is NOT on guns.
I even heard of a girl who used Hoppes #9 as perfume; it worked, the victim
proposed on the 3rd date!
Nick Hull
<Paul.S...@nashville.com> wrote:
> They don't smell guns, they smell the chemicals in the powder and
> powder residue. They're called bomb sniffing dogs. Fire blanks in
> every room in your house (the residue hangs around for a good while),
> and the dog will be finding "gun" smells everywhere it goes.
>
Even easier & cheaper & quieter; burn an inch or so of cannon fuse.
Tortally indistinguishable from gburnt gunpowder. It also explains why you
failed the paraffin test.
Eric Pinnell
Skjaldi wrote:
> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
> find them.
Oh, and what patch of the desert are you going to look in? Especially
sincethere are areas that already have iron deposits and thus would trigger MDs
anyway. And then there's the idea of burying stuff in a junk yard.
> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell out
> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
Oh sure. Gun sniffing dogs. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha!
> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
Hide the guns. Wait until after the sweeps have been conducted, then open
a cannister, lock and load, and frag a fed.
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
DGC wrote:
DGC,
It's far smarter to let the feds take away the guns they know about, and
strike
back at a time and place of YOUR choosing. Tell me, you DID pick up a weapon
through a private sale, didn't you?
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
Tim Tyler wrote:
> I wouldn't that will mean it to late to do sh*t..If you do hide your guns in
> the wall, floors ect. place a dead mouse or something to the approach. And red
> pepper beyond that point just in case. They may find your guns but that dog
> will be gun shy from that point on, pun intended.
Hiding your guns in the walls is a bad idea. They are already working
onportable microwave radars that will go through walls and detect metal.
Eric Pinnell
SirGlock45
>to
>find them.
Just bury your "booty" far from home, near or in a junk yard, in the middle of
a country dirt road, the possiblities are endless!
One man I heard of has a small handgun and ammo hidden in a indoor flower bed
of a major big city hotel that he frequents several times a year. He arrives at
the hotel, retreves his weapon,travels in safety in a VERY anti gun town, then
replaces same when he is ready to fly out again.(Ain't that a hoot!)
See "Uncle Ragnar's" Big Book of Homemade Weapons, Palidin Press
303-443-7250
SirGlock
Your life has no value to nature.
"The very nature of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil
interference- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. They are the
American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence."
julia.c...@iint.com
robert....@mailexcite.com (Robert Frenchu) wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:13:32 -0500, the one called Eric Pinnell
>
> > With all the doom and gloom talk on t.p.g, I figured I'd put in my 2 cents
> >worth
> >on the subject of gun bans. First, if you state does indeed ban the
posession
> >of
> >an arm you own, by all means rent an out of state storage locker for your
> >guns. For example, if you live in California, rent a box in Nevada, which is
> >far
> >more pro gun.
> > If the feds decide upon a gun ban, by all means bury your guns, and then
> >report them as stolen. You still have access to them for the upcoming
> >revolution.
> >And a house to house search won't find them.
> >
> >Eric Pinnell
>
> or her. Close by, yet if they're found you can give 'em your "Who,
> me?" look.
Actually, it was the buried guns that were the useless ones when the
Jewish and Polish resistances (the Polish resistance was anti-Semitic
and tended to kill Jews or turn them over to the Nazis to be killed)
were fighting the Nazis.
If it ever gets to the point where you have to bury your guns or risk
having them taken away, it's time to actually use them.
Julie
> ____________________________________________________
>
> If my "assault rifle" makes me a criminal
> And my encryption program makes me a terrorist
> Does Dianne Feinstein's vagina make her a prostitute?
>
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>
>
>Skjaldi wrote:
>
>> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector
to
>> find them.
>
>sincethere are areas that already have iron deposits and thus would trigger
MDs
>anyway. And then there's the idea of burying stuff in a junk yard.
>
>> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the
dogs
>> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell
ou
>t
>> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
>
> Oh sure. Gun sniffing dogs. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha!
>
>> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
>
> Hide the guns. Wait until after the sweeps have been conducted, then
open
>a cannister, lock and load, and frag a fed.
>
>Eric Pinnell
>
Correction;the ones to frag are the politicians who voted anti-gun.Hunting
rifles would be ideal for this.
Jim Yanik,NRA member.
Scout
Tim Tyler <f...@interlaced.net> wrote in article
<3646536B...@interlaced.net>...
> You asked how it could tell the difference between a sixteen penny nail
and a
> gun.
>
> Scout wrote:
>
> > Tim Tyler <f...@interlaced.net> wrote in article
> > <3646407B...@interlaced.net>...
> > >
> > >
> > > Scout wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Excuse me, but drugs have a distinctive oder.
> > >
> > > True
> > >
> > > > So tell us all, how the metal of a gun has a distinctive oder that
is
> > > > different from say, that of a 16
> > > > penny nail.
> > >
> > > Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of
> > powder.
> > > Your on scent.
> >
> > My own scent.....you mean the scent that is ALL OVER THE HOUSE? That
scent?
> >
> > > to name a few. Its not the metal they would be trained the alert
> > > to!
> >
> > So then what you're telling us is that if we either clean off all of
these,
> > or seal it so that they can't escape, then there will be nothing for
the
> > dogs to track. I tell you what. Having cleaned numerous guns here, I
doubt
> > if any dog is going to be able to locate anything since the whole place
is
> > loaded with the scent. Opps, but then you didn't think of that, did
you?
> >
>
> How often do you clean things other than your guns?
Not too often, but sometimes. However, I've cleaned my guns numerious times
here, IF guns were later outlawed the scent from that cleaning would
remain. It wouldn't be eliminated even if the guns were. The only way to be
sure would be to tear the entire building apart looking.
Eric Pinnell
Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Hide the guns. Wait until after the sweeps have been conducted, then
> open
> >a cannister, lock and load, and frag a fed.
> >
> >Eric Pinnell
> >
>
> Correction;the ones to frag are the politicians who voted anti-gun.Hunting
> rifles would be ideal for this.
>
> Jim Yanik,NRA member.
Frag a fed POLITICIAN.
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
Dean, Greg wrote:
> Now might be a time to learn how to be a machinist. Good skill
> to have.
Already have.
> And there are lots of books that show how to build a
> AK-47, plans and everything.
Heck, who needs plans? Just get yourself a nice modeler's prototypingtool
and cread a CAD file with the parts shapes in it. Once you've got that, all
you need is a CNC machine, and you're set.
> Plus a little chemistry and you can make gunpowder from household
> chemicals.
True. But gunpowder will be easy to get.
Eric Pinnell
Allan Lindsay-ONeal
Paul & Victoria Heisner
wrote:
>In article <19981108153923...@ng135.aol.com>, skj...@aol.com
>(Skjaldi) wrote:
>
>> If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
>> find them.
>> If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
>> that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also
>smell out
>> guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
>> Running and hiding wont be a good option.
>
>If the feds can do all that, why can't they find Rudolph?
Because he turned his red nose off???? ;->
Vicki
Jerry Morris
>If you bury your guns, it would take all of 3 minutes with a metal detector to
>find them.
>If you hide them in your house, well, have you seen the tv news about the dogs
>that can find traces of drugs any where? Some of those dogs can also smell out
>guns,, and you can count on the feds bringing one.
>Running and hiding wont be a good option.
>
How about running and NOT hiding? Does everyone run away from the
fight?
As for the metal detector, I use to make some decent money with them.
I know how they work and don't work.
GEE! How did all that cayenne pepper git all over da house? Been
there fer weeks, was gonna clean it up,,,,someday.
Coffe Pot, Alchohol and pepper. Figure the rest out by yourself.
Jerry
Jerry Morris
wrote:
It can also be intellectually challenging making yourself a big target
and NOT being where you are supposed to be, when the "fun" starts.
Bogeyman hard to find! Be BIG threat! Gotta find HIM! Spend much
money, manpower and time looking for him. Worry much about HIM
looking for YOU!
And all the while "Bogeyman" having goodtime fishing and camping, or
experiencing other "new" lifestyle!
Or, maybe LOOKING for prey?
Jerry
Nick Hull
> DGC wrote:
>
> > No more placating the powerful feds my friends. If it (when) gets to the
> > point where they actually try it, then thats the time to stand up and be
> > counted. The only place mine will be buried is in the gut of the poor
> > unfortunate slob who try's to come in my front door and take it away from
> > me. I don't want it, but if it comes to me then you do what you have to do.
>
> DGC,
>
> It's far smarter to let the feds take away the guns they know about, and
> strike
> back at a time and place of YOUR choosing. Tell me, you DID pick up a weapon
> through a private sale, didn't you?
>
> Eric Pinnell
It doesn't matter as much if you bought it thru an FFL as long as you sold
it legally in a private sale.
Paul Stevens
Are they that stupid? Spending all that money to develop such a
device, when there are simpler, low tech methods of finding a chunk
of metal in a wall?
Besides, my entire house is encased in metal (aluminum, which would
reflect the microwave signal). Gives it an extra R-5 or so.
P.S.
Bubba
*> > Hoppe's #9 solvent, Breaker free, Rem Oil, Carbon, Unburned traces of
*> powder.
*> > Your on scent.
*>
*> My own scent.....you mean the scent that is ALL OVER THE HOUSE? That scent?
There are sprays and other topical applications available in pet shops that
will prevent dogs and cats from wanting to sniff a particular area ... also
ground up moth balls sprinkled over the soil will deter some pets ...
But like Julia said, if it gets to that point, it's time to use them..
HerrGlock
> Eric Pinnell wrote:
> >
> > Hiding your guns in the walls is a bad idea. They are already working
> > onportable microwave radars that will go through walls and detect metal.
> >
> > Eric Pinnell
>
> Are they that stupid? Spending all that money to develop such a
> device, when there are simpler, low tech methods of finding a chunk
> of metal in a wall?
>
> Besides, my entire house is encased in metal (aluminum, which would
> reflect the microwave signal). Gives it an extra R-5 or so.
>
> P.S.
I believe the topic is about millimeter wave radar. Your aluminium siding does not
work against that. Just reset the reflection to ignore the siding...
HerrGlock
Paul Stevens
Why go to all that trouble, when properly adjusted portable thermal
imaging devices (already developed and used for energy efficiency
evaluations) can easily detect a thermal variation from a metal object
inside a non-metal wall? Proper identification of that metal object
is another matter.
P.S.
Eric Pinnell
Robert J. Christman wrote:
> If the state bans them both they and I will be moving. If
> the feds ban them and start doing house to house searches
> the revolution will begin, don't need to bury them.
>
> --
> Bob C. NRA Endowment USN (Ret)
Bob,
If the feds ban it and start house to house, having a rifle won't stop an M1
tank. The smart thing to do is surrender the registered weapons, and
pull the unregistered weapons out of storage once the sweeps have passed.
Of course, you can use your own homemade antitank weapons to stop
tanks, but it would be a major PITA. Personally, I like Olin's RAAM grenade.
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
Paul Stevens wrote:
> Are they that stupid? Spending all that money to develop such a
> device, when there are simpler, low tech methods of finding a chunk
> of metal in a wall?
Yes, they are that stupid. The intention is to allow the police to have a handheld
radar gun to search walls, but also search suspects for weapons.
> Besides, my entire house is encased in metal (aluminum, which would
> reflect the microwave signal). Gives it an extra R-5 or so.
>
> P.S.
This presumes that they don't kick down your door and search INSIDE
the home. They'd have to do this, otherwise they can't see anything inside
a metal safe.
Eric Pinnell
Eric Pinnell
Paul Stevens wrote:
> Why go to all that trouble, when properly adjusted portable thermal
> imaging devices (already developed and used for energy efficiency
> evaluations) can easily detect a thermal variation from a metal object
> inside a non-metal wall? Proper identification of that metal object
> is another matter.
>
> P.S.
All of which points out that burying weapons outside your property is much
safer than keeping them inside your home.
Eric Pinnell
HerrGlock
> HerrGlock wrote:
> > I believe the topic is about millimeter wave radar. Your aluminium siding does not
> > work against that. Just reset the reflection to ignore the siding...
>
> Why go to all that trouble, when properly adjusted portable thermal
> imaging devices (already developed and used for energy efficiency
> evaluations) can easily detect a thermal variation from a metal object
> inside a non-metal wall? Proper identification of that metal object
> is another matter.
>
> P.S.
Thermal sights are something I have used regularly, so I do know about them.
Unfortunately, there are too many things that throw off thermal, if you heat your house
and have good insulation most everything will be about the same temp. Windows show up
well, but the house construction itself is beyond most of what's out there.
MMWR is very well developed, mostly for weather sensing but can be adapted for going
through layers of metal to see what's in the next layer. It's already caught the eye of
insurance claims people and body repair people to see exactly the extent of the damage
is on a car. It would be almost nothing to use the same thing on a home. They had a
stink about it last year and the 4th amendment, so it's already being developed to
"search" with supposedly non-intrusive techniques.
HerrGlock
Paul Stevens
I knew there were more advantages to building an earth-sheltered home
than the old energy efficiency and noise reduction claims.
P.S.
Frank Ney
jamo...@gwis.ns.com (Jerry Morris) to write:
>It can also be intellectually challenging making yourself a big target
>and NOT being where you are supposed to be, when the "fun" starts.
>Bogeyman hard to find! Be BIG threat! Gotta find HIM! Spend much
>money, manpower and time looking for him. Worry much about HIM
>looking for YOU!
I believe that was the idea behind one former contributor to this news
group's series of future news articles.
The one starting with the BATF goon squad hitting a suspected firearm
owner's home and being bushwhacked by freedom fighters.
Frank Ney WV/EMT-B N4ZHG LPWV NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO
Sponsor, BATF Abuse page http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html
West Virginia Coordinator, Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
Fan Guest of Honor, Technicon 16 http://www.technicon.org
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"Uhh, I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get all of the computers to
fail all at the same time?"
Jim
wrote: (in reply to Paul Stevens )
>Thermal sights are something I have used regularly, so I do know about them.
Where can a body find some info on the characteristics of the two
systems?