"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@
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>>>> Bert wrote:
>>>>> In news:k018ec$qtu$
1...@dont-email.me "Jeffrey Hamilton"
>>>>> <
bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bert wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:jvurkt$okd$
1...@dont-email.me "Jeffrey Hamilton"
>>>>>>> <
bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What many 1st world nations recognize is that, American death
>>>>>>>> toll is approx. 25,000 citizens per year due to guns.
>>>>>>>> Just under 10,000 murdered and a further 15, 000 by suicide.
>>>>>>>> The rest of the civilized world believes those figures to be
>>>>>>>> extremely excessive and unnecessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, you could always invade and fix things up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That method seldom works, look at Iraq for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you smart people could fix things up better than the savage
>>>>> Americans.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean by having fewer deaths due to gun play per capita, why
>>>> yes, Canada already has.
>>>
>>> And Mexico has more deaths due to gun play per capita.
>>
>> Compared to whom ?
>>
>> See the figures below, I made it easy for you to demonstrate the % of
>> deaths per capita due to gun play.
>>
>>>> If you savage Americans wish to achieve similar results, then follow
>>>> Canada's example.
>>>
>>> Which would also be just like following Mexico's.
>>
>> Why, Canada (pop.34,482,779) had 144 deaths due to gun play.
>> Mexico ( pop.110.810,000) had 2,606 deaths due to gun play.
>> United States (pop.312,780,968) had 9,369 deaths due to gun play
>>
>>> So why the difference in rates?
>>
>> Canada is normal and has strong gun control laws.
>>
>> Mexico, I believe has strong gun control laws too, but it's
>> practically in a state of anarchy, due to corruption and the drug
>> cartels, oh yeah, and an absolute shit load of smuggled weapons from
>> the United States.
>
> Many of them from our own dear ATF.
>
>> The United States, last I heard, has approx. 20,000 gun laws (federal
>> and state), many of which it would appear, don't seem to work very
>> well. Now why is that, do you think ?
>
> Lack of enforcement.
>
>>> Are you really sure it's just the gun control laws?
>>
>> In Canada, yes, in the US I believe it depends on how well they are
>> written and how well they are enforced.
>
> Well, there registration database has turned into a rather useless white
> elephant with over 50% non compliance.
>
>> Case in point, the Safeway store shooter and the Viriginia Tech
>> shooter, both were able to purchase firearms through the simple
>> expediency of lying.
>
> Hmmmm, I can't address the Safeway shooter but Cho was able to get his
> legally because the medical authorities at Virginia Tech did not forward
> his commitment to the NICS database. A problem which has since been
> fixed by the governor and the state legislature.
>
> To me, that indicates either a poorly written, or
>> a poorly enforced law. Having a shit load of gun control laws means
>> diddly squat if they're merely *window dressing*.
>
> That's true but some of those problem's like Cho come about from state
> medical privacy laws and misunderstandings of them.
>
>
The Dawson College shooter in Montreal, of 2006, got his guns legally too.
And the recently deep-sixed Canadian LGR - Long Gun Registry, which cost
over 2C$ Billions to create, and cost more than 1C$ Million to operate
annually, never went up to 50% compliance, had major errors in it's data,
and was never shown to have helped solve a single crime.
At the in the pro-LGR crowd had to hook up the system so that every time a
query about ANYTHING was made by a cop on the street , the LGR was
automatically queried too. And then they tried to use the hit count as a
justification that it was being used.
That's about as stupid as setting up your cell phone to count a "use" every
time it moves.
And then claiming that it's proof that your phone is being heavily used and
is very useful to you.
And idiots like jeffy, in full ignorance of the independent findings of the
CDC and NAS, that gun control cannot be shown to have any effect of reducing
crime, still buy into the notion, gun control works
It's about as stupid as taking away everyone's cars to stop drunk driving.