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pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 10:35:33 AM2/21/22
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On 2022-02-21, Fat Hitlery's Spies & Lies <jth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NBC’s Chuck Todd on Sunday asked Secretary of State Antony Blinken why Vladimir Putin didn’t escalate tensions with Ukraine during the Trump Administration.
>
> Blinken had no answer.
Blinken is another idiot who is in way over his head.
Just like Joe Biden.
FWIW, I can't believe Chuck Todd asked that question. MSNBC is a house organ for the Biden
administration and the Democrats.
Maybe the mainstream media is realizing they can no longer cover for inept Joe Biden?
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pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024
because crazy Joe Biden is a demented fool.
> NBC’s Chuck Todd on Sunday asked Secretary of State Antony Blinken why Vladimir Putin didn’t escalate tensions with Ukraine during the Trump Administration.
>
> Blinken had no answer.
Blinken is another idiot who is in way over his head.
Just like Joe Biden.
FWIW, I can't believe Chuck Todd asked that question. MSNBC is a house organ for the Biden
administration and the Democrats.
Maybe the mainstream media is realizing they can no longer cover for inept Joe Biden?
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pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024
because crazy Joe Biden is a demented fool.
pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 11:29:19 AM2/21/22
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On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
> was his grand finale.
More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has touched so far.
Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden administration is.
> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
> was his grand finale.
More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has touched so far.
Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden administration is.
pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 12:50:20 PM2/21/22
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On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
> On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> was his grand finale.
>
> More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has touched so far.
> Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden administration is.
>
>
Putin realized that Trump was strong and would keep his word to retaliate,
> On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> was his grand finale.
>
> More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has touched so far.
> Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden administration is.
>
>
No Obama line in the sand here.
And Trump demonstrated it when he warned Syria not to use chemical weapons.
Syria tested Trump and he sent missiles there way and destroyed the Shayrat Airbase.
Putin knows this.
Joe Biden is the best thing that could happen for Putin. Joe is a weak, feeble, feckless
appeaser who has no backbone. He literally fucks up everything he touches and Putin knows this
and will take full advantage of the imbecile Joe Biden.
pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 2:46:21 PM2/21/22
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On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <sv0jcq$pc5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> >> was his grand finale.
>> >
>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>> > touched so far.
>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>> > administration is.
>
> Trump was the one who implemented the withdraw from Afghanistan, Biden
>
>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> >> was his grand finale.
>> >
>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>> > touched so far.
>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>> > administration is.
>
> only followed through.
Classic left winger pivot to all things Trump.
I don't see Trump in the subject line.
Do you?
Evidently you do.
You have a severe case of TDS.
> US troops would still be getting killed in an unwinnable war in
> Afghanistan today if Trump was still in office. But that's OK with
> wingnuts like you isn't it.
Leaving Afghanistan is not in contention. It should have been done YEARS ago.
The problem is HOW it was implemented and Joe Biden, fucked it all up.
Trump would not have left $80 Billion dollars of high tech weaponry there nor would he have
turned the base over to our terrorist enemies and lastly there is no way he would have removed
the military until every citizen or person that wanted to leave was safely out of the country.
Joe Biden stranded our people in that country and he is directly responsible for the 12
service members and private citizens that died in the suicide attack.
The man should have been tried for treason, aiding the enemy in particular.
Like I said, Joe Biden fucked up it and Putin is laughing his ass off at Joe.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Feb 21, 2022, 2:55:46 PM2/21/22
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:46:19 -0000 (UTC), pothead
IMPLEMENT: put (a decision, plan, agreement, etc.) into effect.
So he's saying that despite Trump doing everything wrong, Biden
foolishly implemented Trump's plan.
Actually Trump had a good plan, and Biden fucked it up, just like
Obama said he would.
>Classic left winger pivot to all things Trump.
>I don't see Trump in the subject line.
>Do you?
>Evidently you do.
>
>You have a severe case of TDS.
>
>> US troops would still be getting killed in an unwinnable war in
>> Afghanistan today if Trump was still in office. But that's OK with
>> wingnuts like you isn't it.
>
>Leaving Afghanistan is not in contention. It should have been done YEARS ago.
Plus, Trump had already began his plan to withdraw, so this is just
more of super70s' TDS screeching.
>The problem is HOW it was implemented and Joe Biden, fucked it all up.
>
>Trump would not have left $80 Billion dollars of high tech weaponry there nor would he have
>turned the base over to our terrorist enemies and lastly there is no way he would have removed
>the military until every citizen or person that wanted to leave was safely out of the country.
>Joe Biden stranded our people in that country and he is directly responsible for the 12
>service members and private citizens that died in the suicide attack.
>
>The man should have been tried for treason, aiding the enemy in particular.
>
>Like I said, Joe Biden fucked up it and Putin is laughing his ass off at Joe.
Biden is senile and incompetent, and everyone knows it.
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <sv0jcq$pc5$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>>> >> was his grand finale.
>>> >
>>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>>> > touched so far.
>>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>>> > administration is.
>>
>> Trump was the one who implemented the withdraw from Afghanistan, Biden
>> only followed through.
super70's must be using a leftist dictionary.
>On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <sv0jcq$pc5$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>>> >> was his grand finale.
>>> >
>>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>>> > touched so far.
>>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>>> > administration is.
>>
>> Trump was the one who implemented the withdraw from Afghanistan, Biden
>> only followed through.
IMPLEMENT: put (a decision, plan, agreement, etc.) into effect.
So he's saying that despite Trump doing everything wrong, Biden
foolishly implemented Trump's plan.
Actually Trump had a good plan, and Biden fucked it up, just like
Obama said he would.
>Classic left winger pivot to all things Trump.
>I don't see Trump in the subject line.
>Do you?
>Evidently you do.
>
>You have a severe case of TDS.
>
>> US troops would still be getting killed in an unwinnable war in
>> Afghanistan today if Trump was still in office. But that's OK with
>> wingnuts like you isn't it.
>
>Leaving Afghanistan is not in contention. It should have been done YEARS ago.
more of super70s' TDS screeching.
>The problem is HOW it was implemented and Joe Biden, fucked it all up.
>
>Trump would not have left $80 Billion dollars of high tech weaponry there nor would he have
>turned the base over to our terrorist enemies and lastly there is no way he would have removed
>the military until every citizen or person that wanted to leave was safely out of the country.
>Joe Biden stranded our people in that country and he is directly responsible for the 12
>service members and private citizens that died in the suicide attack.
>
>The man should have been tried for treason, aiding the enemy in particular.
>
>Like I said, Joe Biden fucked up it and Putin is laughing his ass off at Joe.
miasmo
Feb 21, 2022, 2:58:44 PM2/21/22
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global and I regularly attend meetings with people from all over the world and a common chit
chat subject is the topic of Joe Biden.
People from other countries can't believe the Americans elected this boob Joe Biden.
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miasmo
miasmo
Feb 21, 2022, 3:10:08 PM2/21/22
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have been evacuated.
Joe Biden managed to mess this one up big time.
Obama was right. Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up.
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miasmo
BeamMeUpScotty
Feb 21, 2022, 3:54:12 PM2/21/22
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Putin this was the deal "or plan" reached for their surrender, they're
both part of the ONE WORLD CULT or more accurately, they're wooden head
puppets of the ONE WORLD CULT.
Plus they will both get a BIG FAT ROYALTY from the pipeline that will
start payments to them just after they're out of office. Or it's sent to
their BAG MAN starting now... Hunter should be selling some really
valuable water colors to people in the shadows really soon.
They sold out everyone for the money, what else would you have expected?
And it's "even-money" that the Ukrainians blew-up their own pipe-line if
it was really the actual pipe that was blown up... it may have all been
staged.
The Ukrainians would probably try to stop the deal if they were being
thrown under the bus... and blowing up what everyone wants may cause
them all to collect-up their marbles and go home. But I think it wasn't
that simple.
There's more treachery in the wind. It ain't over till the FAT LADY
SINGS, it looks like the ONE WORLD THUGS are trying to move in and take
over all the oil on the planet. And the reason being that it's energy
and energy is political power as well as economic power. Like
controlling the SPICE in the movie DUNE, controlling the oil and the
useful energy is to control the UNIVERSE.
It will be over when they have the world's oil supply in their pocket
and their boot heel on our throats.
But I'm a glass half full kind of person, so we can win by simply
resetting their ownership and money back to ZERO so they have to start
from nothing. We reset their reset... by abandoning their monetary and
ownership system and claim they own nothing and have no money the same
as all of us. Sure we're "fucked big time"... but then they would be
just as fucked. ;)
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pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 5:14:05 PM2/21/22
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Biden in order to protect him.
Australia press in particular have been pretty hard on Joe Biden and his cognitive issues.
Lefty Lundquist
Feb 21, 2022, 6:17:56 PM2/21/22
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Got a video?
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Feb 21, 2022, 6:28:02 PM2/21/22
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One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning,
“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” Speaking of his
own waning understanding of today’s Democratic electorate, especially
in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: “And you know who really
doesn’t have it? Joe Biden.”
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/obama-biden-relationship-393570
Speaking to Politico about Mr Obama’s concerns, one aide recalled him
saying, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f**k things up.”
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/barack-obama-once-warned-not-to-underestimate-joe-bidens-ability-to-fk-things-up/news-story/4d8e82a5d525486882e7805f69dfe5ff
pothead
Feb 21, 2022, 6:41:00 PM2/21/22
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On 2022-02-21, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen> wrote:
Klaus Schadenfreude
Feb 21, 2022, 6:52:15 PM2/21/22
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 23:40:59 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2022-02-21, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:17:54 -0500, Lefty Lundquist
>><lefty_l...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/21/2022 3:10 PM, miasmo wrote:
>>
>>>> Obama was right. Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Obama never said that.
>>>Got a video?
>>
>> Obama said it. You know this.
>>
>> One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning,
>> ?Don?t underestimate Joe?s ability to fuck things up.? Speaking of his
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2022-02-21, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:17:54 -0500, Lefty Lundquist
>><lefty_l...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/21/2022 3:10 PM, miasmo wrote:
>>
>>>> Obama was right. Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to fuck things up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Obama never said that.
>>>Got a video?
>>
>> Obama said it. You know this.
>>
>> One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning,
>> own waning understanding of today?s Democratic electorate, especially
>> in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: ?And you know who really
>> doesn?t have it? Joe Biden.?
>> https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/obama-biden-relationship-393570
>>
>> Speaking to Politico about Mr Obama?s concerns, one aide recalled him
>> saying, ?Don?t underestimate Joe?s ability to f**k things up.?
>> https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/barack-obama-once-warned-not-to-underestimate-joe-bidens-ability-to-fk-things-up/news-story/4d8e82a5d525486882e7805f69dfe5ff
>>
>
>Lefty isn't one of the more intelligent libturds.
He never disappoints, though. No wonder he's a Democrat.
>>
>
>Lefty isn't one of the more intelligent libturds.
Scout
Feb 22, 2022, 11:39:53 AM2/22/22
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"miasmo" <mia...@rollo5.org> wrote in message
news:L9SQJ.17912$XFM9...@fx18.iad...
now.
Scout
Feb 22, 2022, 11:39:53 AM2/22/22
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"super70s" <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote in message
news:super70s-E0511E...@reader.eternal-september.org...
> In article <sv0jcq$pc5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> >> was his grand finale.
>> >
>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>> > touched so far.
>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>> > administration is.
>
>
>> On 2022-02-21, pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> > On 2022-02-21, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>> >> Because the attempted overthrow of the US government didn't come until
>> >> the end of Trump's term, the weakening of US stature around the world
>> >> was his grand finale.
>> >
>> > More likely that Putin has watched Joe Biden botch everything he has
>> > touched so far.
>> > Afghanistan is a big one that shows just how inept and weak the Biden
>> > administration is.
>
> Trump was the one who implemented the withdraw from Afghanistan, Biden
> only followed through.
And made an utter disaster of it.
> only followed through.
After all, why would you close your SECURE airfields BEFORE you evacuate
everyone and your equipement, thus making you utterly dependent on unsecured
and unsecurable commercial facilities?
Oh, that's right, because Biden is a moron as are his advisers.
Scout
Feb 22, 2022, 11:39:53 AM2/22/22
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news:xkSQJ.17916$XFM9...@fx18.iad...
You also don't shut down your means of exit (military airfields) until the
evacuation of personal and equipment is all but completed.
Then you destroy whatever equipment you can't take with you load your
remaining security troops on board, and fly way.. leveling little of
military use behind.
Oh, but Biden did it ass backwards He shut down the airfields... then tried
to evacuate.
Biden is a master of turning everything he touches into shit.
evacuation of personal and equipment is all but completed.
Then you destroy whatever equipment you can't take with you load your
remaining security troops on board, and fly way.. leveling little of
military use behind.
Oh, but Biden did it ass backwards He shut down the airfields... then tried
to evacuate.
Biden is a master of turning everything he touches into shit.
Molly Bolt
Feb 22, 2022, 1:11:54 PM2/22/22
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"The original, and tragic, strategic miscalculation in Afghanistan was made by President George W. Bush. He repeated the error in Iraq."
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2021/08/22/bush-and-biden-made-big-mistakes-afghanistan/8198391002/
Scout
Feb 23, 2022, 7:40:21 AM2/23/22
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"super70s" <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote in message
> In article <sv0q6b$8kb$1...@dont-email.me>,
> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> > US troops would still be getting killed in an unwinnable war in
>> > Afghanistan today if Trump was still in office. But that's OK with
>> > wingnuts like you isn't it.
>>
>> Leaving Afghanistan is not in contention. It should have been done YEARS
>> ago.
>>
>> The problem is HOW it was implemented and Joe Biden, fucked it all up.
>
> If Trump had actually followed through and withdrawn he would've fucked
>
>> > US troops would still be getting killed in an unwinnable war in
>> > Afghanistan today if Trump was still in office. But that's OK with
>> > wingnuts like you isn't it.
>>
>> Leaving Afghanistan is not in contention. It should have been done YEARS
>> ago.
>>
>> The problem is HOW it was implemented and Joe Biden, fucked it all up.
>
> it up worse no doubt.
Your TDS is showing
!Jones
Feb 23, 2022, 10:23:00 AM2/23/22
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:50:19 -0000 (UTC), in talk.politics.guns
pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>Putin realized that Trump was strong and would keep his word to retaliate,
>No Obama line in the sand here.
Trump certainly retaliates; however, he is easily manipulated and has
pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>Putin realized that Trump was strong and would keep his word to retaliate,
>No Obama line in the sand here.
no particular logic behind his actions. He's a dangerous man because
he is unpredictable and frequently lashes out impulsively. Trump is,
by far, the greatest danger we face as a nation.
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Feb 24, 2022, 12:27:09 AM2/24/22
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:50:19 -0000 (UTC), in talk.politics.guns
@ 11:18 EST:
"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said,
'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of Ukraine -- Putin
declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful! ... and I said,
'How smart is that?. And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper...
We could use that on our southern border... Putin is a guy who's
very savvy who I know very, very well."
And he's the guy you want handling it in Washington? Of course, he
proved who he was on 1/2/2021... to most of us, anyway.
pothead
Feb 24, 2022, 7:25:33 AM2/24/22
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He played Joe Biden like a fiddle and caught our woke military leaders completely off guard.
There is nothing wrong with admitting Putin got the upper hand.
It doesn't mean Trump supports him.
>What happened on 1/2/2021?
If you mean 1/6/2021, some crazy people did some stupid things.
Trump doesn't control them.
Why did Nancy Pelosi refuse his request to have the National Guard called out a few days prior?
She has the National Guard called out for some trucker convoy.
See the double standard?
And why can't she be questioned as part of the investigation?
Again a double standard.
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Feb 24, 2022, 9:30:23 AM2/24/22
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does appear that 45 exercises significantly more control over his
followers' actions than Pelosi (for example) does over hers. If
Pelosi held a political rally, how many screaming people would show
up? If she asked them to march on the capital and "fight like hell",
would they do it?
I doubt that the Donald created the issue any more than Adolf Hitler
created the climate in which an act of mass murder was propagated...
the social divisions were in place and Adolf simply exploited them.
Similarly, the Donald is riding a social wave; he doesn't control it
any more than a surfer controls the ocean. On the other hand, he *is*
the face of the Republican party, the "front man", so to speak.
I believe that the US is standing on the brink of a social
implosion... of a complete societal meltdown wherein we all choose
sides and begin slaguhtering each other. It certainly *can* happen.
Gronk
Feb 27, 2022, 12:43:02 AM2/27/22
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
Efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other
countries into
providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic Party presidential
candidate
Joe Biden as well as misinformation relating to Russian interference in
the 2016
United States elections caused a political scandal in the United States.
Trump enlisted
surrogates within and outside his official administration, including his
personal lawyer
Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr, to pressure Ukraine and
other foreign
governments to cooperate in supporting conspiracy theories concerning American
politics. Trump blocked payment of a congressionally mandated $400 million
military
aid package to allegedly obtain quid pro quo cooperation from Ukrainian
president
Volodymyr Zelensky.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/intelligence-committee-russia-trump-report-040736
The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday unveiled a sweeping new
bipartisan report detailing Russian efforts to boost Donald Trump's White
House bid on social media during the 2016 U.S. elections, dealing an
indirect blow to a push by the president and his allies to shift focus
toward claims of anti-Trump meddling by Ukraine.
The report corroborates past findings by researchers and the intelligence
community that the notorious Internet Research Agency troll farm, as the
committee wrote, "sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election
by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald
Trump at the direction of the Kremlin."
The report arrives as Trump and his allies have sought to publicly
downplay the role the Kremlin played in the 2016 elections and amp up
scrutiny of unsubstantiated theories that Ukraine may have sought to
interfere to undermine the president's candidacy. Some Ukrainian officials
have been linked to anti-Trump messaging going into the 2016 election, but
there's no evidence of collusion between Ukraine and U.S. Democrats, as
Trump and some of his associates have proposed.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration/2019/01/12/65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html>
President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details
of his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including
on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own
interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired
with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.
<https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/columnists/siddique-malik/2018/07/25/trump-caving-putin-badgering-allies-must-dealt/835392002/>
Trump’s appeasement of Putin recently reached another disgusting low. On
July 16, exactly 73 years after the Potsdam conference, Trump, while
standing next to the Russian dictator at a press conference in Helsinki,
talked
in a cowardly manner, having thrown the majesty of freedom and democracy
at the dictator’s feet.
In contrast, Trump was boisterously confrontational during the NATO summit in
Brussels and his visit to Britain, just days earlier.
In Helsinki, Trump ridiculed America’s intelligence agencies and accepted
Putin’s
lies that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections. Trump now
blames
solecism for it. But it’s a lie.
His Helsinki debacle was clearly intentional.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-russia-nato-bounties.html
Trump Still Defers to Putin, Even as He Dismisses U.S. Intelligence and
the Allies
On the eve of accepting the Republican nomination for president four years
ago,
Donald J. Trump declared that he would pull out of NATO if American allies
did not
pay more for their defense, waving away the thought that it would play
into the
hands of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, who has spent his career
trying to
dismantle the Western alliance.
Asked about his deference to the Kremlin leader, Mr. Trump responded, “He’s
been complimentary of me.”
This week, as his renomination nears, Mr. Trump announced that he was
pulling a
third of American troops from Germany. He declared in recent days that he had
never raised with Mr. Putin, during a recent phone conversation, American
intelligence indicating that Russia was paying a bounty to the Taliban for
the killing
of American soldiers in Afghanistan, because he distrusted the information
from
his own intelligence agencies. Nor has he issued warnings about what
price, if any,
Mr. Putin would pay for seeking to influence the 2020 election or pushing
disinformation about the coronavirus. American intelligence agencies say
Russia is
trying both.
<http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-warned-israel-not-share-sensitive-intel-trump-609782>
U.S. OFFICIALS ‘WARNED ISRAEL’ NOT TO SHARE SENSITIVE INTEL WITH TRUMP
5/16/17
U.S. intelligence officials reportedly warned their Israeli counterparts
to exert caution
in sharing top secret information with Donald Trump’s administration for
fear of it
being passed to Russia and then to Moscow’s ally and Israel’s arch-enemy,
Iran.
Discussions between U.S. and Israeli security services prior to Trump’s
inauguration on January 20 gave rise to concerns that sensitive
intelligence might
exchange hands between him and the Russian government, Israeli newspaper
Yedioth Ahronoth reported in January.
The paper published the report amid accusations of links between Trump’s
campaign team andthe Russian government. Now, just four months into
Trump’s presidency, it has emerged that the commander in chief may have
divulged highly classified intelligence to the Russian government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information
On May 10, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump disclosed classified
information to Russian
government representatives, creating political and security concerns in
the United States
and its allies, especially Israel. Soon after the meeting, American
intelligence extracted
a high-level covert source from within the Russian government, on concerns
the individual
could be at risk due, in part, to Trump and his administration repeatedly
mishandling
classified intelligence.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-vladimir-putin-russia-fa31892c65992083a43ff44b1216af32
Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized influence operations to help
Donald Trump in
last November’s presidential election, according to a declassified
intelligence assessment
that found broad efforts by the Kremlin and Iran to shape the outcome of
the race but
ultimately no evidence that any foreign actor changed votes or otherwise
disrupted the
voting process.
The report released Tuesday from the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence
represents the most detailed assessment of the array of foreign threats to
the 2020 election.
These included efforts by Iran to undermine confidence in the vote and
harm Trump’s
re-election prospects as well as Moscow operations that relied on Trump’s
allies to smear
Joe Biden, the eventual winner.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/world/europe/russia-biden-putin-killer.html
Russia Erupts in Fury Over Biden’s Calling Putin a Killer
Richard Hatem
Feb 27, 2022, 5:25:03 AM2/27/22
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In article <svf314$39g$5...@dont-email.me>
Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/lefty_sack_of_shit
>
‘Middle Class’ Joe Biden has a corruption problem – it makes him
a weak candidate
Democrats are trying to choose a candidate to beat Donald Trump,
the most corrupt president in history. Some think nominating Joe
Biden, a moderate white man who calls himself “Middle Class”
Joe, makes sense.
But Biden has a big corruption problem and it makes him a weak
candidate. I know it seems crazy, but a lot of the voters we
need – independents and people who might stay home – will look
at Biden and Trump and say: “They’re all dirty.”
It looks like “Middle Class” Joe has perfected the art of taking
big contributions, then representing his corporate donors at the
cost of middle- and working-class Americans. Converting campaign
contributions into legislative favors and policy positions isn’t
being “moderate”. It is the kind of transactional politics
Americans have come to loathe.
There are three clear examples.
First, Biden’s support for finance over working-class Americans.
His career was bankrolled by the credit card industry. He
delivered for it by spearheading a bankruptcy bill that made it
harder for Americans to reduce their debts and helped cause the
financial crisis. He not only authored and voted for that bill,
he split with Barack Obama and led the battle to vote down
Democratic amendments.
His explanations for carrying water for the credit card industry
have changed over time. They have never rung true.
The simplest explanation is the most likely: he did it for his
donors. At a fundraiser last year, Biden promised his Wall
Street donors that “nothing would fundamentally change” for them
if he became president. Now the financial world is raising huge
money for his campaign. It clearly thinks he’s going to be its
friend if elected. Most Americans, who get ripped off by the
financial sector on a daily basis, aren’t looking for a
candidate who has made their life harder.
Second, healthcare. On 25 April, the day he announced his
campaign, Biden went straight to a fundraiser co-hosted by the
chief executive of a major health insurance corporation. He
refuses to sign a pledge to reject money from insurance and
pharma execs and continues to raise money from healthcare
industry donors. His campaign is being bankrolled by a super Pac
run by healthcare lobbyists.
What did all these donors get? A healthcare proposal that
preserves the power of the insurance industry and leaves 10
million Americans uninsured.
Third, climate change. Biden signed a pledge not to take money
from the fossil fuel industry, then broke his promise. Right
after a CNN town hall on climate change, he held a fundraiser
hosted by the founder of a fossil fuel conglomerate. He is
pushing climate policy that has gotten dismal reviews from
several leading environmental groups.
There are plenty of other examples that raise questions, like
housing and social security. Big real estate moguls are playing
a major role in Biden’s campaign. Unlike his rivals, he has no
comprehensive housing plan. When he pushed for cuts to Social
Security, was he serving donors or his constituents?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/20/joe-biden-
corruption-donald-trump
Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/lefty_sack_of_shit
>
‘Middle Class’ Joe Biden has a corruption problem – it makes him
a weak candidate
Democrats are trying to choose a candidate to beat Donald Trump,
the most corrupt president in history. Some think nominating Joe
Biden, a moderate white man who calls himself “Middle Class”
Joe, makes sense.
But Biden has a big corruption problem and it makes him a weak
candidate. I know it seems crazy, but a lot of the voters we
need – independents and people who might stay home – will look
at Biden and Trump and say: “They’re all dirty.”
It looks like “Middle Class” Joe has perfected the art of taking
big contributions, then representing his corporate donors at the
cost of middle- and working-class Americans. Converting campaign
contributions into legislative favors and policy positions isn’t
being “moderate”. It is the kind of transactional politics
Americans have come to loathe.
There are three clear examples.
First, Biden’s support for finance over working-class Americans.
His career was bankrolled by the credit card industry. He
delivered for it by spearheading a bankruptcy bill that made it
harder for Americans to reduce their debts and helped cause the
financial crisis. He not only authored and voted for that bill,
he split with Barack Obama and led the battle to vote down
Democratic amendments.
His explanations for carrying water for the credit card industry
have changed over time. They have never rung true.
The simplest explanation is the most likely: he did it for his
donors. At a fundraiser last year, Biden promised his Wall
Street donors that “nothing would fundamentally change” for them
if he became president. Now the financial world is raising huge
money for his campaign. It clearly thinks he’s going to be its
friend if elected. Most Americans, who get ripped off by the
financial sector on a daily basis, aren’t looking for a
candidate who has made their life harder.
Second, healthcare. On 25 April, the day he announced his
campaign, Biden went straight to a fundraiser co-hosted by the
chief executive of a major health insurance corporation. He
refuses to sign a pledge to reject money from insurance and
pharma execs and continues to raise money from healthcare
industry donors. His campaign is being bankrolled by a super Pac
run by healthcare lobbyists.
What did all these donors get? A healthcare proposal that
preserves the power of the insurance industry and leaves 10
million Americans uninsured.
Third, climate change. Biden signed a pledge not to take money
from the fossil fuel industry, then broke his promise. Right
after a CNN town hall on climate change, he held a fundraiser
hosted by the founder of a fossil fuel conglomerate. He is
pushing climate policy that has gotten dismal reviews from
several leading environmental groups.
There are plenty of other examples that raise questions, like
housing and social security. Big real estate moguls are playing
a major role in Biden’s campaign. Unlike his rivals, he has no
comprehensive housing plan. When he pushed for cuts to Social
Security, was he serving donors or his constituents?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/20/joe-biden-
corruption-donald-trump
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Feb 28, 2022, 12:18:58 AM2/28/22
to
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:43:04 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Gronk
<inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other
>countries into providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic
>Party presidential candidate Joe Biden as well as misinformation
>relating to Russian interference in the 2016.
<inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other
>countries into providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic
>Party presidential candidate Joe Biden as well as misinformation
You know, I suspect that the Republican leaders would be racing to
stick their noses up Donald Trump's ass even were he to advocate
building gas chambers and mass crematoria. There seems to be no level
to which the man can sink such that millions of Americans won't follow
him blindly.
I have heard it said to the point of cliche that "those who do not
study history history are destined to repeat it." It appears that
those of us who do study history must watch helplessly as the lemmings
rush over the sea cliffs. One point: despots and demigogues don't
usually sieze power at gunpoint... they're usually worshiped as
saviors and given the keys to the kingdom to the adoration of their
supporters. (Does that sound familiar? It certainly would if you
studied history!)
Pelosi Eats Liz Cheney's Tampons
Feb 28, 2022, 3:20:03 AM2/28/22
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In article <04mo1hhcc8acuu75h...@4ax.com>
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*! <x...@y.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:43:04 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Gronk
> <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other
> >countries into providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic
> >Party presidential candidate Joe Biden as well as misinformation
> >relating to Russian interference in the 2016.
>
> You know, I'd stick my nose up Donald Trump's ass
>
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:43:04 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Gronk
> <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other
> >countries into providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic
> >Party presidential candidate Joe Biden as well as misinformation
> >relating to Russian interference in the 2016.
>
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Feb 28, 2022, 10:19:17 PM2/28/22
to
need to *do* it.
Jail her ass
Feb 3, 2024, 5:35:22 PM2/3/24
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On 21 Feb 2022, Lefty Lundquist <lefty_l...@ggmail.com> posted some
news:sv16j3$mqc$7...@dont-email.me:
> She's a typical Gretchen Whitmer whore. At least the guy she was
> fucking wasn't a nigger like the one Whitmer was dicking.
Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley’s mom and her married
firefighter-chief lover held sex parties at hotels while she ignored her
son’s pleas for mental health treatment, prosecutors suggested in court
Friday.
Jennifer Crumbley, 45, and lover Brian Meloche would often find
strangers on a swingers app called Adult Friend Finder and arrange
“meet-ups” with them at a local hotel after work, prosecutors said in
the explosive start to their cross-examination of the mom at her trial.
Jennifer — who is charged with involuntary manslaughter over her son’s
shooting rampage — admitted to using the app to “arrange for other
people to meet us there” but claimed she was going to hotels after work
“on business.”
“I only met with Brian during work hours,” said the mom, who worked as
the marketing director for a real-estate company at the time, according
to ABC News.
Both Jennifer and husband James Crumbley, 47, have been charged with
four counts of involuntary manslaughter for their son’s deadly high
school rampage.
Both have pleaded not guilty.
Ethan, now 17, was sentenced in December to life in prison without the
possibility of parole for killing four students and injuring six others
and a teacher at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.
Jennifer Crumbley’s cross-examination came as prosecutors sought to tear
into the mother’s claims that she was a “hyper-vigilant helicopter
parent” who was “close” to her son before he shot up the school.
Prosecutors claimed in court that Jennifer was instead “grossly
negligent” by buying her son a gun and failing to seek mental health
treatment for the darkly disturbed teen.
Not only did Jennifer Crumbley spend her free time having rendezvous
with her firefighter boyfriend, but she would be gone for hours each
week, either skiing or riding horses.
She argued that her son was “not into horses” and she would therefore
not take him with her as she went horseback riding three times a week,
ABC News reported.
Prosecutors claimed in court Friday that Crumbley was so preoccupied
with her hobbies that she ignored her son.
They showed text-message exchanges between Jennifer and Ethan in which
the word “love” only appeared three times over the course of several
years.
Prosecutors also showcased excerpts from Ethan’s journal in which he
wrote that “my parents won’t listen to me about help or [a] therapist,”
and “I have zero help for my mental problems, and it’s causing me to
shoot up the f–king school.”
Those diary entries seemed to have come as a shock to the mother, who
said she “felt like I had an open door. He can come to me about
anything,” according to the “Today” show.
She said she had never read her son’s journals before or monitored his
internet activity.
Crumbley also claimed it was her husband who decided to buy their son
the 9mm gun he would use in the massacre.
She said James and Ethan bought the firearm together on Black Friday
while she was out shopping on her own.
When asked whether she objected to the purchase, Crumbley replied, “No.”
“I was more angry that they cut into our Christmas tree time,” she said.
“I usually cut my Christmas tree down right after I get back from
shopping, but I had to wait for them, so I was irritated,” the mom said.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/news/ethan-crumbleys-mom-and-her-firefighte
r-chief-lover-allegedly-held-sex-parties-while-ignoring-teens-pleas-for-h
elp/
news:sv16j3$mqc$7...@dont-email.me:
> She's a typical Gretchen Whitmer whore. At least the guy she was
> fucking wasn't a nigger like the one Whitmer was dicking.
Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley’s mom and her married
firefighter-chief lover held sex parties at hotels while she ignored her
son’s pleas for mental health treatment, prosecutors suggested in court
Friday.
Jennifer Crumbley, 45, and lover Brian Meloche would often find
strangers on a swingers app called Adult Friend Finder and arrange
“meet-ups” with them at a local hotel after work, prosecutors said in
the explosive start to their cross-examination of the mom at her trial.
Jennifer — who is charged with involuntary manslaughter over her son’s
shooting rampage — admitted to using the app to “arrange for other
people to meet us there” but claimed she was going to hotels after work
“on business.”
“I only met with Brian during work hours,” said the mom, who worked as
the marketing director for a real-estate company at the time, according
to ABC News.
Both Jennifer and husband James Crumbley, 47, have been charged with
four counts of involuntary manslaughter for their son’s deadly high
school rampage.
Both have pleaded not guilty.
Ethan, now 17, was sentenced in December to life in prison without the
possibility of parole for killing four students and injuring six others
and a teacher at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.
Jennifer Crumbley’s cross-examination came as prosecutors sought to tear
into the mother’s claims that she was a “hyper-vigilant helicopter
parent” who was “close” to her son before he shot up the school.
Prosecutors claimed in court that Jennifer was instead “grossly
negligent” by buying her son a gun and failing to seek mental health
treatment for the darkly disturbed teen.
Not only did Jennifer Crumbley spend her free time having rendezvous
with her firefighter boyfriend, but she would be gone for hours each
week, either skiing or riding horses.
She argued that her son was “not into horses” and she would therefore
not take him with her as she went horseback riding three times a week,
ABC News reported.
Prosecutors claimed in court Friday that Crumbley was so preoccupied
with her hobbies that she ignored her son.
They showed text-message exchanges between Jennifer and Ethan in which
the word “love” only appeared three times over the course of several
years.
Prosecutors also showcased excerpts from Ethan’s journal in which he
wrote that “my parents won’t listen to me about help or [a] therapist,”
and “I have zero help for my mental problems, and it’s causing me to
shoot up the f–king school.”
Those diary entries seemed to have come as a shock to the mother, who
said she “felt like I had an open door. He can come to me about
anything,” according to the “Today” show.
She said she had never read her son’s journals before or monitored his
internet activity.
Crumbley also claimed it was her husband who decided to buy their son
the 9mm gun he would use in the massacre.
She said James and Ethan bought the firearm together on Black Friday
while she was out shopping on her own.
When asked whether she objected to the purchase, Crumbley replied, “No.”
“I was more angry that they cut into our Christmas tree time,” she said.
“I usually cut my Christmas tree down right after I get back from
shopping, but I had to wait for them, so I was irritated,” the mom said.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/news/ethan-crumbleys-mom-and-her-firefighte
r-chief-lover-allegedly-held-sex-parties-while-ignoring-teens-pleas-for-h
elp/
Biden Santioned Insurrection
Feb 3, 2024, 11:03:12 PM2/3/24
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On 22 Feb 2022, Molly Bolt <mollyth...@gmail.com> posted some
news:9e1bc60f-7b50-45d7...@googlegroups.com:
> Stop the bus, march the assholes off, send the bus on the way and
> execute the illegals where they stand. Kick them in the ditch and
> leave them rot. Do the same to anyone who objects.
CNN
—
Four migrant men charged with felonies in an attack on two New York City
Police Department officers Saturday outside a migrant shelter are en
route to a California town near Mexico after they were released from
custody and given bus tickets by a faith-based charity, a senior law
enforcement official said.
The four men were among at least seven people arrested in the incident.
They were staying in a New York City shelter, used false names with the
charity, the source told CNN. It was not immediately clear who the four
are among the group arrested this week in connection with the weekend
incident.
Investigators say even though the defendants allegedly used false names
with the charity and could be going to Mexico by way of Calexico,
California, “we have no legal authority to chase them or attempt to stop
them” because the Manhattan district attorney did not request bail and
the defendants were released on their own recognizance, the law
enforcement source said.
“We have to assume they intend to return to court, which, given the
circumstances around their departure, seems unlikely,” the source added.
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined to comment.
The case follows a surge in migrants arriving at the US-Mexico border
and, as a knock-on effect, in far-off major US cities – where many have
gone on their own or on buses hired by Texas. Some 67,000 migrants are
under New York City’s care, among more than 173,900 who’ve arrived in
the city since spring 2022, a City Hall spokesperson told CNN on
Thursday.
“The overwhelming number of immigrants, migrants, asylum-seekers, they
want to be here and do what’s right. Those violent ones, we need to
immediately have them removed from our city,” New York City Mayor Eric
Adams told La Mega 97.9 FM on Thursday.
The attack outside the shelter “was disgusting, and they should be held
accountable,” the Democrat added, saying he thinks they should not have
been released from custody while noting the city does not have the
authority to deport people.
Authorities Saturday arrested Yorman Reveron, 24, Kelvin Servita Arocha,
19, Darwin Andres Gomez-Izquiel, 19, and Wilson Juarez, 21, each charged
with second-degree assault and second-degree obstructing governmental
administration, according to a criminal complaint. Jhoan Boada, 22, was
arrested Monday and charged with the same two counts, a complaint
states.
Yohenry Brito, 24, was arrested Wednesday and arraigned Thursday on two
counts of second-degree assault and one count of second-degree
obstructing governmental administration, the Manhattan district
attorney’s office told CNN. He also faces robbery and felony assault
charges, the district attorney said. A 21-year-old arrested Wednesday on
suspicion of robbery and felony assault was released and not charged, it
said.
CNN has reached out to attorneys for all those named.
Brito is being held on bail, while the five others were released without
bail, according to the district attorney, as police continue to
investigate the attack. An assistant district attorney requested $15,000
bail or $50,000 bond for Brito, citing his alleged past interactions
with law enforcement.
For those released without bail, the district attorney consented “to
defendant release to allow us time to conduct a thorough analysis of the
incident and defendant’s role in it,” according to a bail application
for Boada that states the others were released without bail under
similar requests.
A Manhattan Criminal Court judge ordered them to be “released on their
own recognizance,” meaning they were released from custody without
paying bail and told to return to court while the case is pending.
“Violence against police officers is never acceptable,” a spokesperson
for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg told CNN. “Every defendant
charged so far is facing felony charges that carry a penalty of up to
seven years.”
Police, meanwhile, are trying to identify four more men who allegedly
participated in the assault outside the migrant shelter, the law
enforcement source said.
“Get them all and send them back,” New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a
Democrat, said of that effort. “You don’t touch our police officers. You
don’t touch anyone.”
Arrested, charged and released without bail
The case calls to mind the controversial 2020 state bail reform act that
essentially barred judges from setting bail in a sweeping number of
crimes – a change critics say puts communities in danger.
Bragg in 2022 went further, issuing guidance to his assistants to
refrain from asking for bail even in some cases that were still “bail
eligible.”
“There is a presumption of pre-trial non-incarceration for every case
except those with charges of homicide or the death of a victim” or
charges involving weapons and serious physical injury, Bragg wrote in a
January 2022 memo.
The defendants in the weekend assault outside the migrant shelter were
charged with felonies for which prosecutors could have asked for bail,
in particular because they were living in temporary shelters for
migrants and had no “ties to the community” to ensure their return to
court.
Prosecutors, however, did not ask for bail.
On Friday, Bragg defended his office’s decision to release five
suspects.
“While the video is shocking and disturbing, in order to secure
convictions in a court of law it is essential that we conclusively
identify each defendant and specify each person’s participance in the
incident,” Bragg said.
The five men who were released without bail are expected back in court
in February and March. If they miss those court dates, arrest warrants
likely would be issued for them.
Under New York’s 2014 sanctuary bill, a move to deport someone could
follow their conviction on a felony charge.
How police say the incident unfolded
The incident unfolded as officers tried to break up a “disorderly group”
outside the shelter near Times Square and a physical altercation ensued,
police said.
When the officers tried to take a person into custody, “multiple
unidentified individuals repeatedly kicked and punched the officers in
the head and body” and later fled on foot, police said. The officers had
minor injuries and were treated on the scene, police said.
While Brito was being apprehended, a struggle ensued with the officers,
leading them to fall to the ground, according to a criminal complaint.
Others then are accused of striking and kicking the officers, while
Brito is accused of fleeing.
“It’s the police’s job to arrest them, the other criminal justice aspect
makes the determination if they are going to be kept inside,” Adams told
La Mega. “We did our job; we need to make sure that judges look over the
seriousness of the case. I don’t believe they should have been
released.”
“We cannot allow people to abuse our symbol of authority,” he said. “The
police uniform is not only the individual, it is the symbol of authority
and law and order and this is not a city of disorder. We’re going to be
a city of order.”
The investigation continues and anyone with information is urged to come
forward, a spokesperson for Bragg told CNN. “It is paramount that we
conclusively identify each defendant and specify each participant’s role
in the incident,” the spokesperson said.
CNN’s Nic F. Anderson and Samantha Beech contributed to this report.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/us/police-attacked-new-york-outside-shelte
r/index.html
news:9e1bc60f-7b50-45d7...@googlegroups.com:
> Stop the bus, march the assholes off, send the bus on the way and
> execute the illegals where they stand. Kick them in the ditch and
> leave them rot. Do the same to anyone who objects.
CNN
—
Four migrant men charged with felonies in an attack on two New York City
Police Department officers Saturday outside a migrant shelter are en
route to a California town near Mexico after they were released from
custody and given bus tickets by a faith-based charity, a senior law
enforcement official said.
The four men were among at least seven people arrested in the incident.
They were staying in a New York City shelter, used false names with the
charity, the source told CNN. It was not immediately clear who the four
are among the group arrested this week in connection with the weekend
incident.
Investigators say even though the defendants allegedly used false names
with the charity and could be going to Mexico by way of Calexico,
California, “we have no legal authority to chase them or attempt to stop
them” because the Manhattan district attorney did not request bail and
the defendants were released on their own recognizance, the law
enforcement source said.
“We have to assume they intend to return to court, which, given the
circumstances around their departure, seems unlikely,” the source added.
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined to comment.
The case follows a surge in migrants arriving at the US-Mexico border
and, as a knock-on effect, in far-off major US cities – where many have
gone on their own or on buses hired by Texas. Some 67,000 migrants are
under New York City’s care, among more than 173,900 who’ve arrived in
the city since spring 2022, a City Hall spokesperson told CNN on
Thursday.
“The overwhelming number of immigrants, migrants, asylum-seekers, they
want to be here and do what’s right. Those violent ones, we need to
immediately have them removed from our city,” New York City Mayor Eric
Adams told La Mega 97.9 FM on Thursday.
The attack outside the shelter “was disgusting, and they should be held
accountable,” the Democrat added, saying he thinks they should not have
been released from custody while noting the city does not have the
authority to deport people.
Authorities Saturday arrested Yorman Reveron, 24, Kelvin Servita Arocha,
19, Darwin Andres Gomez-Izquiel, 19, and Wilson Juarez, 21, each charged
with second-degree assault and second-degree obstructing governmental
administration, according to a criminal complaint. Jhoan Boada, 22, was
arrested Monday and charged with the same two counts, a complaint
states.
Yohenry Brito, 24, was arrested Wednesday and arraigned Thursday on two
counts of second-degree assault and one count of second-degree
obstructing governmental administration, the Manhattan district
attorney’s office told CNN. He also faces robbery and felony assault
charges, the district attorney said. A 21-year-old arrested Wednesday on
suspicion of robbery and felony assault was released and not charged, it
said.
CNN has reached out to attorneys for all those named.
Brito is being held on bail, while the five others were released without
bail, according to the district attorney, as police continue to
investigate the attack. An assistant district attorney requested $15,000
bail or $50,000 bond for Brito, citing his alleged past interactions
with law enforcement.
For those released without bail, the district attorney consented “to
defendant release to allow us time to conduct a thorough analysis of the
incident and defendant’s role in it,” according to a bail application
for Boada that states the others were released without bail under
similar requests.
A Manhattan Criminal Court judge ordered them to be “released on their
own recognizance,” meaning they were released from custody without
paying bail and told to return to court while the case is pending.
“Violence against police officers is never acceptable,” a spokesperson
for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg told CNN. “Every defendant
charged so far is facing felony charges that carry a penalty of up to
seven years.”
Police, meanwhile, are trying to identify four more men who allegedly
participated in the assault outside the migrant shelter, the law
enforcement source said.
“Get them all and send them back,” New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a
Democrat, said of that effort. “You don’t touch our police officers. You
don’t touch anyone.”
Arrested, charged and released without bail
The case calls to mind the controversial 2020 state bail reform act that
essentially barred judges from setting bail in a sweeping number of
crimes – a change critics say puts communities in danger.
Bragg in 2022 went further, issuing guidance to his assistants to
refrain from asking for bail even in some cases that were still “bail
eligible.”
“There is a presumption of pre-trial non-incarceration for every case
except those with charges of homicide or the death of a victim” or
charges involving weapons and serious physical injury, Bragg wrote in a
January 2022 memo.
The defendants in the weekend assault outside the migrant shelter were
charged with felonies for which prosecutors could have asked for bail,
in particular because they were living in temporary shelters for
migrants and had no “ties to the community” to ensure their return to
court.
Prosecutors, however, did not ask for bail.
On Friday, Bragg defended his office’s decision to release five
suspects.
“While the video is shocking and disturbing, in order to secure
convictions in a court of law it is essential that we conclusively
identify each defendant and specify each person’s participance in the
incident,” Bragg said.
The five men who were released without bail are expected back in court
in February and March. If they miss those court dates, arrest warrants
likely would be issued for them.
Under New York’s 2014 sanctuary bill, a move to deport someone could
follow their conviction on a felony charge.
How police say the incident unfolded
The incident unfolded as officers tried to break up a “disorderly group”
outside the shelter near Times Square and a physical altercation ensued,
police said.
When the officers tried to take a person into custody, “multiple
unidentified individuals repeatedly kicked and punched the officers in
the head and body” and later fled on foot, police said. The officers had
minor injuries and were treated on the scene, police said.
While Brito was being apprehended, a struggle ensued with the officers,
leading them to fall to the ground, according to a criminal complaint.
Others then are accused of striking and kicking the officers, while
Brito is accused of fleeing.
“It’s the police’s job to arrest them, the other criminal justice aspect
makes the determination if they are going to be kept inside,” Adams told
La Mega. “We did our job; we need to make sure that judges look over the
seriousness of the case. I don’t believe they should have been
released.”
“We cannot allow people to abuse our symbol of authority,” he said. “The
police uniform is not only the individual, it is the symbol of authority
and law and order and this is not a city of disorder. We’re going to be
a city of order.”
The investigation continues and anyone with information is urged to come
forward, a spokesperson for Bragg told CNN. “It is paramount that we
conclusively identify each defendant and specify each participant’s role
in the incident,” the spokesperson said.
CNN’s Nic F. Anderson and Samantha Beech contributed to this report.
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