White lady cop stops Ft. Hood rampage.
martin
A declining society means that persons will become more and more
responsible for their
personal security.
tt
PrivateParty
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>
> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
> responsible for their
> personal security.
>
>
Safety is a delusion. Peace of mind is achieved despite the dangers of
life after birth.
RBnDFW
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police_sgt_kimberly_munley_credited_with_ending_fort_hood_gunman_maj_nidal_malik.html
how appropriate that this muslim scum was taken out by a woman.
Too_Many_Tools
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>
> responsible for their
> personal security.
>
> tt
Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
of men could not.
TMT
The Daring Dufas
You forgot to mention that she was armed and the room full of
men were not. Firearms are a great equalizer.
TDD
sr
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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TMT
I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
are millitary
So,
I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
having bullets in her gun?
haven't heard all details as of yet
Prescott Niles
She was not in the room of UNARMED PEOPLE, you idiot.
How long to wish to advertise your lack of learning?
Oren
>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>are millitary
Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
housing as long as registered properly.
>So,
>I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>having bullets in her gun?
>haven't heard all details as of yet
>
There are three jurisdictions involved. Local PD, FBI and Military.
One report is she is a local PD officer and trained first responder.
Stephan Rothstein
She was an on duty Department of the Army Civilian Police officer,
responding with her partner to the call. The DACP officers are in the
process of replacing the Military Police for base law enforcement
duties, so the MP's can be assigned overseas. The MP Corps is the force
of choice for most of the duties in Iraq. The MP's on patrol also would
have had their pistols loaded.
Other than the MP's, soldiers on base are not even issued firearms
unless called for by that day's training schedule.
Steve Rothstein
Lookout
>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8863d7c2-2809-45d3...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>>
>> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>> responsible for their
>> personal security.
>>
>> tt
>
>Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
>of men could not.
>
>TMT
>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>are millitary
Of course not. That are in the armories with the guns.
>So,
>I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>having bullets in her gun?
>haven't heard all details as of yet
All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
HeyBub
>
>> So,
>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>> therefore having bullets in her gun?
>> haven't heard all details as of yet
> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
Not necessarily. Some (many?) people do not listen to the "news" as
promulgated by the media, preferring instead to get their unfiltered and
unbiased information from blogs and newsgroups.
For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American soldiers as
a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is calling this a
"terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news media.
Strabo
Except for the attacker she was the only one there with a gun.
The men gave up their guns to live in a government Gun-Free Zone.
Lookout
>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>are millitary
>
>Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>housing as long as registered properly.
No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
Lookout
wrote:
It hasn't been proven yet. Why would they start a lie. Remember..the
news media are all liberals and it's the conservatives who love to
lie.
NotMe
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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CNN raised the question on several levels the only response was from Gen
Honre (spl) who opined that there was insufficient information to make even
a preliminary determination.
:
Stephan Rothstein
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>> are millitary
>> Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>> housing as long as registered properly.
>
> No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
I think this may depend on the post. When I was at Ft. Leavenworth, I
lived in base housing and kept my privately owned weapons at home. At
the other bases, I either lived off base or I lived in the barracks and
the weapons were kept in the arms room.
From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
Steve Rothstein
Stephan Rothstein
What has not been proven yet? There is conclusive proof that he was a
Muslim, having been one all his life. His internet postings show his
radicalization. He conclusively was the shooter and killed US Soldiers.
So, what are you going to say, that this was not an act of terrorism? I
guess you work for the FBI who also made that claim almost as soon as
the shooting occurred, even when they thought they had three shooters in
a coordinated attack.
Steve Rothstein
Oren
wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>>are millitary
>>
>>Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>>housing as long as registered properly.
>
>No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
Check with the Ft Hood Public Information Office. Do you understand
how many families live on a base that size? Yes they can have guns,
privately owned!
Armories are for military weapons and ammo. *Even guest tenants on the
base with multiple jurisdictions *may* have a separate Armory...
think of a federal prison armory - managed by the Department of
Justice.
*not all bases
Lookout
Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
armories.
AndyS
> For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American soldiers as
> a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is calling this a
> "terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news media.
Andy comments:
Wow ! To report a successful. act of terrorism Obama's watch, when
GWB
didn't have one for 8 years after 9/11......
... you've got to know the White House would have a hissy fit.
My guess is that reporting "terrorism" has to be cleared by the
White House....... The news media doesn't want to be put in
the same category as Fox News, and such an embarassment
would not be tolerated.
Andy in Eureka, Texas
PS I wonder which political party that Hassan belonged to ........
Wayne
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Not surprising at all. The woman was armed, the men were not. That's the
beauty of guns...levels out the playing field for those who would otherwise
be powerless.
Fiftycal
wrote:
>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>
>>Steve Rothstein
>
>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>armories.
YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
propaganda.
Asshole.
Jim Yanik
news:7-GdnZnUUZSjPGnX...@earthlink.com:
On-base private weapons are required to be unloaded and locked up,too.
essentially,it was another "gun-free zone" where luckily,a police officer
happened to be present. BTW,she took a round herself.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Oren
wrote:
>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>armories.
What about Ft. Knox. They lock up weapons and ammo at the end of the
day?
Enlighten me with all your base knowledge.
Stephan Rothstein
Ft. Sam is not open and hasn't been since 2001. I don't know of any open
Army posts any more.
Steve Rothstein
sr
"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying What?
You don't live where I live, your experiences are not my experiences
You must to lovely to live with. Pity those that do
sr
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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Looks like there are playing the sympathy card for the killer rather than
the victims?
Looks like there are excuses being made for the killer.
Political correct world is gone to get us all killed.
Political correctness has even spread to the Military, I am afraid. Sad
>
>
sr
sr
"Stephan Rothstein" <sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Thank you for filling me in, very good explination, interesting.
I like your response much better than poster Lookout, --
sr
--When a liberal is presented with the Facts, they slink off
Lookout
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:59:15 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>>>are millitary
>>>
>>>Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>>>housing as long as registered properly.
>>
>>No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
>
>Check with the Ft Hood Public Information Office. Do you understand
>how many families live on a base that size? Yes they can have guns,
>privately owned!
AD personnel MUST keep their arms in the armory. It's that way on
every post.
>Armories are for military weapons and ammo.
Wrong. I was the Asst Armorer in our unit. When someone was
inproccessing we had to take their weapon if they lived in the
barracks. If they lived in post housing they could leave it with us or
store it in the post armory. They could get it out when ever they
wanted to.
Lookout
<sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Lookout wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:44:03 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>> So,
>>>>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>>>> therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>>>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>>> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
>>> Not necessarily. Some (many?) people do not listen to the "news" as
>>> promulgated by the media, preferring instead to get their unfiltered and
>>> unbiased information from blogs and newsgroups.
>>>
>>> For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American soldiers as
>>> a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is calling this a
>>> "terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news media.
>>>
>> It hasn't been proven yet. Why would they start a lie. Remember..the
>> news media are all liberals and it's the conservatives who love to
>> lie.
>
>What has not been proven yet? There is conclusive proof that he was a
>Muslim, having been one all his life. His internet postings show his
>radicalization. He conclusively was the shooter and killed US Soldiers.
>
>So, what are you going to say, that this was not an act of terrorism?
Yes. You don't know why he did it. It could be simply that he was
freaked out about going.
> I
>guess you work for the FBI who also made that claim almost as soon as
>the shooting occurred, even when they thought they had three shooters in
>a coordinated attack.
>
>Steve Rothstein
Nah..I just like ALL the facts. You've reached a conclusion way to
early.
Lookout
wrote:
No, you stupid fucking ignorant twit. That's why it's never happened
before. BECUASE of strict gun (and gun owner) control
Lookout
The average soldier sees ammo twice a year when they have to qualify.
Don't forget for every front line combat soldier (like the infantry)
there are 12-15 combat support soldiers who don't have to carry
weapons.
Or didn't you know that?
Lookout
<sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Really? I haven't been there in about 15 years. How did the close all
those streets along Broadway? The went right into housing areas.
Fiftycal
wrote:
>>>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Rothstein
>>>
>>>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>>>armories.
>>
>>YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
>>worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
>>propaganda.
>>
>>Asshole.
>
>No, you stupid fucking ignorant twit. That's why it's never happened
>before. BECUASE of strict gun (and gun owner) control
Yah, right leftist tool. BTW, this ISN'T the first shooting/murder of
troops by another armed forces type. Tell me "assistant armorer", how
many OFFICER guns did you check in/out?
Dumbass.
Stephan Rothstein
Put up fences and barricades and closed them. They even closed off Harry
Wurzbach, which was a city owned street that went right through the
base. About half of the old gates from around the base (like the New
Braunfels gate) are permanently closed now too.
It ain't open no more.
But, as an aside, I remember the first time I went to Ft. Hood. It was
as wide open as just about every other base I had seen. No gates on the
main road into base. But that was back in 85, and I know the base has
changed since then. I spent too many hours on the gates of Ft. McClellan
and at Walter Reed to think thins would stay the same.
Steve Rothstein
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
"Oren" <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if
>>you
>>are millitary
>
> Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
> housing as long as registered properly.
>
>>I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>>having bullets in her gun?
>>haven't heard all details as of yet
>>
>
> One report is she is a local PD officer and trained first responder.
>
Either way ......... brave lady!
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Wrong...there were men who were armed.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe you should take a harder look at WHY he went off the deep end.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> b"Lookout" <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
When a conservative is presented with the Facts, they continue to lie.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:13:38 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>
> >> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
> >> responsible for their
> >> personal security.
>
> >> tt
>
> >Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
> >of men could not.
>
> of UNARMED folks couldn't accomplish.
>
> __
>
> The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
So why didn't the ROOM of UNARMED folks rush the one ARMED person
shooting?
Wingers time after time tell us that is what we are supposed to do.
TMT
Oren
wrote:
>Tell me "assistant armorer", how
>many OFFICER guns did you check in/out?
LMFAO.
"All of them"?
Oren
wrote:
>The average soldier sees ammo twice a year when they have to qualify.
>Don't forget for every front line combat soldier (like the infantry)
>there are 12-15 combat support soldiers who don't have to carry
>weapons.
>
>Or didn't you know that?
Not sure what school you went too. We DON'T have average solders
today.
I am Infantry but I can hump some artillery rounds in the truck when
necessary.
Just so you know this. Three Army Rangers can perform a task of
fifteen men.
Strabo
Steve Rothstein, who is a cop, is polite, considerate and accurate.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>
> >> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
> >> responsible for their
> >> personal security.
>
> >> tt
>
> > Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
> > of men could not.
>
> > TMT
>
> >
>
>
Where did you get this?
It looks like more thjan 60 rounds were fired.
13 dead and 43 injured is at least 56 rounds.
For that many killshe must have been a damn good shot r at close
range.
It was commented that "some of the wounded may have been from friendly
fire."
Even though the perp had 2 guns with twenty round clips, how did he
manage to get off so many rounds and change at least one clip without
being stopped?
There are people there that were hit as many as four times.
How could he not have been tackled by what seems to have been a room
full of "military" personnel being redied to ship out to combat?
This doesn't say much for their abilities under fire.
Benj
> It hasn't been proven yet. Why would they start a lie. Remember..the
> news media are all liberals and it's the conservatives who love to
> lie.
The list of liberal lies is so long as to boggle the mind. They have
been doing it forever. But the latest wrinkle is to accuse all
conservatives of lying. That's the oldest trick in the book. The
criminal always accuses his victim of being the criminal.
You are obviously the liar here.
Curly Surmudgeon
Where you in hibernation from 2001-2008?
--
Regards, Curly
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The Daring Dufas
Glad you're around and on our side soldier. My family
was regular army, both my parents, my paternal uncle
and my older brother who served two tours in Vietnam.
I tried to join twice but wound up 4F when all my
contemporaries were shooting their toes off and claiming
to be queer to stay out of the military. I found out
30 years later why I was turned down which was the big
secret to avoiding Vietnam, it was allergies. All a guy
had to do was tell them he had allergies and he would
be shown the door. Damn, I was trying to join.
TDD
Oren
I'm the only one in my family that was drafted. Left school at 16,
waiting for the draft (1970).
Dad and an Uncle fought Rommel * (Desert Fox) in North Africa, It
really gets complicated knowing there were so many Silas Monk names
during the Revolution.
I do have some stories about the War of Northern Aggression and family
from AL/GA/FL
6th Florida Infantry, Co G, CSA 1861-1864 Confederate States Army
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel
pyotr filipivich
<sol...@uninets.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8863d7c2-2809-45d3...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>>
>> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>> responsible for their personal security.
>>
>of men could not.
>TMT
>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>are millitary
Been that ways since ... the invention of cartridges? gunpowder?
>So, I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>having bullets in her gun?
>haven't heard all details as of yet
She was civilian security. Her _job_ was to be armed. She was
also trained to be aggressive when confronting a shooter. She did
well, even though she took a hit.
Outside of basic, training, or a combat zone, soldiers don't
carry weapons, particularly when filling out paperwork.
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
pyotr filipivich
<Or...@127.0.0.1> reported Elvis on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800 in
misc.survivalism:
>On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>are millitary
>
>housing as long as registered properly.
Private weapons is one things. Those who were shot were on duty -
you don't bring your personal weapon on duty.
And military ammo has to be accounted for. It isn't issued
willy-nilly, particularly outside of combat zones.
>>So,
>>I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>>having bullets in her gun?
>>haven't heard all details as of yet
>
>There are three jurisdictions involved. Local PD, FBI and Military.
>One report is she is a local PD officer and trained first responder.
Yep.
Strabo
All you had to do was to refuse to sign anything or take the oath.
>
> TDD
pyotr filipivich
<n...@abcnnbcbs.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:13:30 -0600
in misc.survivalism:
>>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>
>>>Steve Rothstein
>>
>>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>>armories.
>
>worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
>propaganda.
>
>Asshole.
I wonder if mr "lookout" knows the difference between personal
property, and government issued, particularly when it comes to
firearms?
Long Ranger
--
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go
mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one
--Charles Mackay
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Because we didn't "neutralize" him when he first acted up?
Long Ranger
--
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go
mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one
--Charles Mackay
<knews4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, it's a shame that a real tough guy like you wasn't around to square
things away for all those sissies.....
HeyBub
>>
>> -
>> Not surprising at all. The woman was armed, the men were not. That's
>> the
>> beauty of guns...levels out the playing field for those who would
>> otherwise
>> be powerless.
>
> Wrong...there were men who were armed.
>
Uh, no. Not a single one. Some armed men arrived AFTER the shooting begain,
but there were initially none in the vicinity. The first armed person on the
scene was the lady and she was responding to a radio call.
Stormin Mormon
guns.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Stormin Mormon
would have saved a lot of lives.
--
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Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Lookout
>
>"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8359f5pgsv1066kls...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8863d7c2-2809-45d3...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>>>>
>>>> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>>>> responsible for their
>>>> personal security.
>>>>
>>>> tt
>>>
>>>Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
>>>of men could not.
>>>
>>>TMT
>>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if
>>>you
>>>are millitary
>> Of course not. That are in the armories with the guns.
>>
>>>So,
>>>I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>>>having bullets in her gun?
>>>haven't heard all details as of yet
>> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
> You are Rude, no manners taught during your up bring, perhaps?
>
Sure I was taught manners. I just think you're lying. Good enough?
Lookout
>
>"Stephan Rothstein" <sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:RKGdnfBuVoWlDmnX...@earthlink.com...
>> sr wrote:
>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8863d7c2-2809-45d3...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police...
>>>>
>>>> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>>>> responsible for their
>>>> personal security.
>>>>
>>>> tt
>>>
>>> Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
>>> of men could not.
>>>
>>> TMT
>>> I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if
>>> you are millitary
>>> So,
>>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>>> having bullets in her gun?
>>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>
>> She was an on duty Department of the Army Civilian Police officer,
>> responding with her partner to the call. The DACP officers are in the
>> process of replacing the Military Police for base law enforcement duties,
>> so the MP's can be assigned overseas. The MP Corps is the force of choice
>> for most of the duties in Iraq. The MP's on patrol also would have had
>> their pistols loaded.
>>
>> Other than the MP's, soldiers on base are not even issued firearms unless
>> called for by that day's training schedule.
>>
>> Steve Rothstein
>---
>Thank you for filling me in, very good explination, interesting.
>I like your response much better than poster Lookout, --
>
You're just pissed because I caught you lying.
Lookout
>b
>"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b279f5lgo9sl0kfrl...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:44:03 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lookout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So,
>>>>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>>>> therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>>>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>>
>>>> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
>>>
>>>Not necessarily. Some (many?) people do not listen to the "news" as
>>>promulgated by the media, preferring instead to get their unfiltered and
>>>unbiased information from blogs and newsgroups.
>>>
>>>For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American soldiers
>>>as
>>>a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is calling this a
>>>"terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news media.
>>>
>> It hasn't been proven yet. Why would they start a lie. Remember..the
>> news media are all liberals and it's the conservatives who love to
>> lie.
>
>--When a liberal is presented with the Facts, they slink off
>
When a conservative want's to start a lie..he doesn't wait for all the
facts.
Lookout
wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:39:45 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>>>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Rothstein
>>>>
>>>>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>>>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>>>>armories.
>>>
>>>YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
>>>worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
>>>propaganda.
>>>
>>>Asshole.
>>
>>No, you stupid fucking ignorant twit. That's why it's never happened
>>before. BECUASE of strict gun (and gun owner) control
>
>Yah, right leftist tool. BTW, this ISN'T the first shooting/murder of
>troops by another armed forces type. Tell me "assistant armorer", how
>many OFFICER guns did you check in/out?
>
>Dumbass.
We only had 3 officers in our company so the only ones issued side
arms were those 3, the armorer and myself. We kept no personal weapons
there because then they couldn't get to them on weekends. Those were
kept on the base armory where you could check them out at 0600 each
day.
Lookout
Uhh..we didn't like giving on to a certain captain. He was an idiot.
Lookout
As I pointed out for every combat soldier there are 15 combat support
who don't carry weapons on the average day. Then you get the ones who
are stationed stateside in say a hospital who don't qualify but twice
a year.
Lookout
wrote:
Silly me. I volunteered. As did my wife.
Lookout
<sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Lookout wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:31:52 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
>> <sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:20:52 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
>>>> <sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>>>>>>>> are millitary
>>>>>>> Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>>>>>>> housing as long as registered properly.
>>>>>> No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
>>>>> I think this may depend on the post. When I was at Ft. Leavenworth, I
>>>>> lived in base housing and kept my privately owned weapons at home. At
>>>>> the other bases, I either lived off base or I lived in the barracks and
>>>>> the weapons were kept in the arms room.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>>>> has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>>> their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Rothstein
>>>> Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>>> of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
>>>> armories.
>>> Ft. Sam is not open and hasn't been since 2001. I don't know of any open
>>> Army posts any more.
>>>
>>> Steve Rothstein
>>
>> Really? I haven't been there in about 15 years. How did the close all
>> those streets along Broadway? The went right into housing areas.
>
>Put up fences and barricades and closed them. They even closed off Harry
>Wurzbach, which was a city owned street that went right through the
>base. About half of the old gates from around the base (like the New
>Braunfels gate) are permanently closed now too.
>
>It ain't open no more.
>
>But, as an aside, I remember the first time I went to Ft. Hood. It was
>as wide open as just about every other base I had seen. No gates on the
>main road into base. But that was back in 85, and I know the base has
>changed since then. I spent too many hours on the gates of Ft. McClellan
>and at Walter Reed to think thins would stay the same.
>
>Steve Rothstein
McClellan closed in 95! That's where me and my wife met. The MP school
is now at Fort LostInTheWoods, MO
Lookout
wrote:
Shall I start with Reagan or Nixon. About the lying I mean. Or we can
start with bush if you like.
Lookout
I'm trying to explain that to these idiots, most of which didn't have
the balls to serve. Most soldiers don't see an M16 but twice a year at
weapons qualification. Don't forget only a small percentage of our
active duty force is actually seeing battle. The rest are resting
comfortable in barracks or at home every nite.
Lookout
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What a shame. The government doesn't trust soliers with
>guns.
What a shame. You never served so you're completely ignorant.
Bama Brian
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>> I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base, if you
>> are millitary
>
> housing as long as registered properly.
>
>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security, therefore
>> having bullets in her gun?
>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>
>
> One report is she is a local PD officer and trained first responder.
Times were when there was direct animosity between the local PD and
MP's. The local PD was typically NOT allowed on post, except when
absolutely unavoidable. The MP's took care of virtually all post problems.
Officer of the Watch was rotating duty where I was stationed. While
these officers were not MP's, they were charged with actually going into
the post lockup and counting the prisoners at night, to verify that no
one had escaped. Military law enforcement duties were headed up by an
officer, usually at bird colonel rank on the larger posts.
Things have certainly changed when the local PD is the law on the post.
But then I haven't been on a post for at least two decades.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
Long Ranger
--
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go
mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one
--Charles Mackay
"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f24bf59u9ppr73kb7...@4ax.com...
It's just a complete and utter shame that a smart guy like you wasn't
present during this tragedy to take command of the situation.
Gray Ghost
news:13145$4af4daeb$ccb5841a$11...@ispn.net:
>
> "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ftmdnS1-nNM-BWnX...@earthlink.com...
>> Lookout wrote:
>>>
>>>> So,
>>>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>>> therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>
>>> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
>>
>> Not necessarily. Some (many?) people do not listen to the "news" as
>> promulgated by the media, preferring instead to get their unfiltered and
>> unbiased information from blogs and newsgroups.
>>
>> For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American
>> soldiers as a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is
>> calling this a "terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news
>> media. =====
> Looks like there are playing the sympathy card for the killer rather than
> the victims?
> Looks like there are excuses being made for the killer.
> Political correct world is gone to get us all killed.
> Political correctness has even spread to the Military, I am afraid. Sad
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
The point they are hanging thier nonterrorist talking point on is that there
is no known or even suspected connection with any particular terror group.
Apart from radical Islam, of course.
--
�Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel
of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.� Winston
Churchill
Gray Ghost
@ispn.net:
> b
> "Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b279f5lgo9sl0kfrl...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:44:03 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lookout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So,
>>>>> I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>>>> therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>>>> haven't heard all details as of yet
>>>
>>>> All this has already been released to the news. You're lying
>>>
>>>Not necessarily. Some (many?) people do not listen to the "news" as
>>>promulgated by the media, preferring instead to get their unfiltered and
>>>unbiased information from blogs and newsgroups.
>>>
>>>For example, here we have a radicalized Muslim, killing American soldiers
>>>as a suicide-shooter, and not a single news organization is calling this a
>>>"terrorist act," you've got to be skeptical of the news media.
>>>
>> It hasn't been proven yet. Why would they start a lie. Remember..the
>> news media are all liberals and it's the conservatives who love to lie.
>
> --When a liberal is presented with the Facts, they slink off
>
>
>
After screeching profanities and adhominems.
Gray Ghost
news:a0n9f5ls1ahbq8p8p...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:13:30 -0600, Fiftycal <n...@abcnnbcbs.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:29:37 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Rothstein
>>>
>>>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the armories.
>>
>>YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
>>worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
>>propaganda.
>>
>>Asshole.
>
> No, you stupid fucking ignorant twit. That's why it's never happened
> before. BECUASE of strict gun (and gun owner) control
>
Don't you ever tire of always being wrong.
Stephan Rothstein
Yeah, and closing it was one of the dumbest decisions, IMO. I went to MP
school there in 76 as part of the first group after the school moved
from Ft. Gordon. Was stationed there in 79/80 as part of the 111th on
road duty. got to see them build all the new barracks, add more
training, add the Chemical Corps School, and then they shut it down just
15 years later and rebuilt those same schools elsewhere (MP as you
mentioned, more basic capability there and Ft. Jackson, and I think they
moved the Chem school back to Gordon but I am not sure). What a waste of
money that was.
Steve Rothstein
Stephan Rothstein
Just for technical accuracy, the local PD has better relations in most
cases, but it is not the law or regular agency for the post. some of
them still have bad relations.
The Army (and other services I think) has moved towards hiring civilians
and commissioning them as federal police officers. The female involved
at Ft. Hood was one of these DA civilian police and not a member of the
local PD.
Steve Rothstein
Stephan Rothstein
Just for technical accuracy, I think you would need to go much further
back to find the first lying politician. In the US, I know it goes as
far back as Lincoln and would bet on it going back to Washington. And
that is just among the presidents, obviously. If we include the other
politicians (like the colonial governors), we could probably trace it
back as far as the Battle of Hastings.
Steve Rothstein
Lookout
<sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Chem school wen to Leonardwood too.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_CBRN_School
My son-in-law just graduated from AIT there. He's in the Reserve.
Nah...it was a good move. I know they just built all that stuff but to
be honest it was already obsolete with the advance in computers. That
plus McClellan was just a tiny little post and they really didn't have
room to do battalion level training.
Remember Defords? Burned to the ground about 5 years ago. It's just an
empty lot now..the downstairs is buried.
And I guess you remember there were 5 strip joints here. All gone. The
area is dead now.
Lookout
I'm sure you think that's an insult. Actually it is..on your part An
insult because you prove you have no idea what you're talking about.
X-Complaints-To: ab...@eternal-september.org
And you're a nym shifting troll. Welcome to my filter.
Lookout
(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:a0n9f5ls1ahbq8p8p...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:13:30 -0600, Fiftycal <n...@abcnnbcbs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:29:37 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed now)
>>>>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>>>>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Rothstein
>>>>
>>>>Fort Sam is an open post, no MPs at the gate. That's a different kind
>>>>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the armories.
>>>
>>>YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
>>>worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
>>>propaganda.
>>>
>>>Asshole.
>>
>> No, you stupid fucking ignorant twit. That's why it's never happened
>> before. BECUASE of strict gun (and gun owner) control
>>
>
>Don't you ever tire of always being wrong.
Don't you?
RD (The Sandman)
news:Xns9CBBBD6A78516...@216.168.3.44:
> Stephan Rothstein <sroth...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:7-GdnZnUUZSjPGnX...@earthlink.com:
>
>> Lookout wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:10 -0800, Oren <Or...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0500, "sr" <sol...@uninets.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the
>>>>> base, if you are millitary
>>>> Don't believe that. Soldiers can have *private* weapons in base
>>>> housing as long as registered properly.
>>>
>>> No they can't. ALL arms are kept in armories if you live on post.
>>
>> I think this may depend on the post. When I was at Ft. Leavenworth, I
>> lived in base housing and kept my privately owned weapons at home. At
>> the other bases, I either lived off base or I lived in the barracks
>> and the weapons were kept in the arms room.
>>
>> From what my son tells me, Ft. Sam Houston (where he is stationed
>> now)
>> has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
>> their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
>>
>> Steve Rothstein
>>
> On-base private weapons are required to be unloaded and locked up,too.
>
> essentially,it was another "gun-free zone" where luckily,a police
> officer happened to be present. BTW,she took a round herself.
More than one.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
RD (The Sandman)
news:6bc7adeb-ad26-4a07...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 6, 1:58�pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> > On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_polic
>> >>e..
> .
>>
>> >> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>> >> responsible for their
>> >> personal security.
>>
>> >> tt
>>
>> > Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a
>> > ROOM of men could not.
>>
>> > TMT
>>
>> �>
>>
>> Except for the attacker she was the only one there with a gun.
>>
>
>
> Where did you get this?
> It looks like more thjan 60 rounds were fired.
> 13 dead and 43 injured is at least 56 rounds.
> For that many killshe must have been a damn good shot r at close
> range.
"She" wasn't the shooter. She was the cop who stopped the shooter.
> It was commented that "some of the wounded may have been from friendly
> fire."
No, it wasn't. The only folks with guns were the shooter, her and,
possibly, her partner.
> Even though the perp had 2 guns with twenty round clips, how did he
> manage to get off so many rounds and change at least one clip without
> being stopped?
No one else had guns until the civilian cops got there. Soldiers don't
run around their base armed unless they have a duty reason to be (MPs) or
have range scheduled for that day. Their firearms are locked in the
company armory.
> There are people there that were hit as many as four times.
Probably......two handguns with up to twenty rounds apiece and magazines
to reload with don't take more than a second or so to change out.
> How could he not have been tackled by what seems to have been a room
> full of "military" personnel being redied to ship out to combat?
When you are being shot at, John Wayne is not usually your first model to
use.
> This doesn't say much for their abilities under fire.
If they had been armed it would have been different.
RD (The Sandman)
news:c55af5lmbjf3j7och...@4ax.com:
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "sr"
> <sol...@uninets.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:33:39
> -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:8863d7c2-2809-45d3...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com..
>>. On Nov 6, 10:14 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_police
>>> ...
>>>
>>> A declining society means that persons will become more and more
>>> responsible for their personal security.
>>>
>>Also very interesting to see that ONE woman could get done what a ROOM
>>of men could not.
>
>>TMT
>
>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base,
>>if you are millitary
>
> Been that ways since ... the invention of cartridges? gunpowder?
>
>>So, I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>haven't heard all details as of yet
>
> She was civilian security. Her _job_ was to be armed. She was
> also trained to be aggressive when confronting a shooter. She did
> well, even though she took a hit.
She was also considered a weapons expert on the SWAT team.
> Outside of basic, training, or a combat zone, soldiers don't
> carry weapons, particularly when filling out paperwork.
>
>
> pyotr
> -
> pyotr filipivich.
> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
>
--
HeyBub
>>
>> --When a liberal is presented with the Facts, they slink off
>>
> When a conservative want's to start a lie..he doesn't wait for all the
> facts.
That's a non-sequitur. A synonym for "conservative" is "truth teller."
HeyBub
>>
>> She was civilian security. Her _job_ was to be armed. She was
>> also trained to be aggressive when confronting a shooter. She did
>> well, even though she took a hit.
>
> She was also considered a weapons expert on the SWAT team.
>
There are those who are experts with gun and there are those who rush to the
sound of the guns.
Fortunately, in this case, the two characteristics overlapped.
HeyBub
>
>> There are people there that were hit as many as four times.
>
> Probably......two handguns with up to twenty rounds apiece and
> magazines to reload with don't take more than a second or so to
> change out.
>
>> How could he not have been tackled by what seems to have been a room
>> full of "military" personnel being redied to ship out to combat?
>
> When you are being shot at, John Wayne is not usually your first
> model to use.
>
Yes it is. I saw one estimate that over 100 people (unarmed) rushed TO the
scene of the carnage.
RD (The Sandman)
news:1-GdnUDYJcpJV2jX...@earthlink.com:
The population of Ft Hood is over 35,000. I would venture that many of
the "over 100" simply went to see what was going on and didn't really
have any intention of going there to stop the shooter. Those in
immediate vicinity were not rushing TO the scene, they were rushing away
from it. Does that mean that they are cowards? Absolutely not. The
first rule of surviving a gunfight is find cover, THEN plan out further
defensive action. It does one no good to simply stand there in the line
of fire.
RD (The Sandman)
news:f4-dnWdei_v0V2jX...@earthlink.com:
Yep, according to reports she not only responded, but she was shooting as
she closed with him. He charged her after her initial shot and she took
him down while she, herself, suffered wounds to her wrist, lower leg and
thigh. I don't know how many rounds she (or he) fired, but she got him
four times and stopped the carnage. She deserves every kudo she gets.
Lookout
wrote:
Especially considering Wayne avoided the war with the Hollywood
excuse.
He was no hero.
Lookout
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
>news:1-GdnUDYJcpJV2jX...@earthlink.com:
>
>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are people there that were hit as many as four times.
>>>
>>> Probably......two handguns with up to twenty rounds apiece and
>>> magazines to reload with don't take more than a second or so to
>>> change out.
>>>
>>>> How could he not have been tackled by what seems to have been a room
>>>> full of "military" personnel being redied to ship out to combat?
>>>
>>> When you are being shot at, John Wayne is not usually your first
>>> model to use.
>>>
>>
>> Yes it is. I saw one estimate that over 100 people (unarmed) rushed TO
>> the scene of the carnage.
>
>The population of Ft Hood is over 35,000. I would venture that many of
>the "over 100" simply went to see what was going on and didn't really
>have any intention of going there to stop the shooter. Those in
>immediate vicinity were not rushing TO the scene, they were rushing away
>from it. Does that mean that they are cowards? Absolutely not. The
>first rule of surviving a gunfight is find cover, THEN plan out further
>defensive action. It does one no good to simply stand there in the line
>of fire.
Please remember that most of those in here are chickenhawks and didn't
have the balls to serve. They don't know what they are talking about.
Lookout
wrote:
See? A lie!
The Daring Dufas
Did you serve in the military?
TDD
Wikking
And lets also hope this doesn't turn into another Jessica Lynch story
complete with friendly fire casualties and embarrass everyone...
--
}(:
It is clear that the "Birthers", "Teabaggers", politicians and media
hosts or pundits that purvey messages of resistance, insurrection and
don't want their kids to go to school to hear the words of the POTUS
have become the dupes and stooges of foreign intelligence services
that wish to see the US destabilized by a bunch of fools - they must
be laughing their heads off at these wingnuts who are so ready to be
their pawns...
pyotr filipivich
Rothstein <sroth...@earthlink.net> reported Elvis on Sat, 07 Nov
2009 11:29:45 -0600 in misc.survivalism:
Why stop there?
I recall an illustration, of a caveman standing on a rock,
addressing other cavemen. "Things have been pretty bad for a while,
but now that we have invented language, you're going to be hearing a
lot more about it."
Politicians are the same the world over. They promise a bridge
where there is no river. Nikita Krushchev.
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pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
tankfixer
ph...@mindspring.com says...
>
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Fiftycal
> <n...@abcnnbcbs.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:13:30 -0600
> in misc.survivalism:
> >>>has the same type of policy now. People in housing register but keep
> >>>their weapons, people in the barracks must check them in and out.
> >>>
> >>>Steve Rothstein
> >>
> >>of security. Fort Hood is closed. ALL weapons are kept in the
> >>armories.
> >
> >YEAH! That's why this shooting DIDN'T HAPPEN! The GUN FREE ZONE
> >worked. 13 people WERE NOT KILLED! It's all the "right wing media"
> >propaganda.
> >
> >Asshole.
>
> property, and government issued, particularly when it comes to
> firearms?
Or is he another one of those who feel there is no personal property...
pyotr filipivich
Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> reported Elvis on Sat, 7
Nov 2009 07:52:37 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>What a shame. The government doesn't trust soliers with
>guns.
Yep. Too much experience with dumb soldiers.
pyotr filipivich
Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> reported Elvis on Sat, 07
Nov 2009 12:36:48 -0600 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>>I was shocked to learn that bullets are not in guns inside the base,
>>>if you are millitary
>>
>> Been that ways since ... the invention of cartridges? gunpowder?
>>
>>>So, I believe she must have been a civilian, working as security,
>>>therefore having bullets in her gun?
>>>haven't heard all details as of yet
>>
>> She was civilian security. Her _job_ was to be armed. She was
>> also trained to be aggressive when confronting a shooter. She did
>> well, even though she took a hit.
>
>She was also considered a weapons expert on the SWAT team.
If it looks stupid, but it works - it isn't stupid.
pyotr filipivich
<hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> reported Elvis on Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:51:14
-0600 in misc.survivalism:
>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>
>>> -
>>> Not surprising at all. The woman was armed, the men were not. That's
>>> the
>>> beauty of guns...levels out the playing field for those who would
>>> otherwise
>>> be powerless.
>>
>> Wrong...there were men who were armed.
>>
>
>Uh, no. Not a single one. Some armed men arrived AFTER the shooting begain,
>but there were initially none in the vicinity. The first armed person on the
>scene was the lady and she was responding to a radio call.
Actually, as in all Gun Free Zones, the first armed person to
arrive was the one with criminal intent.
tschus
pyotr filipivich
-0600 in misc.survivalism:
Why? Why were they rushing _to_ the scene?
To throw their bodies in the way, or to help those injured, or to
find out what the hell is happening?
People rush to the scene of fires and accidents, too.