##Peggy Noonan: Why This Scandal Is Different

[Kurt Nicklas]

Why This Scandal Is Different

Peggy Noonan

Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting close
to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get there,
the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,
and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was trying to
get.

This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
kept not quite working, the deadline came.

I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the
American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn’t a discrete
event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
list.

But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say,
‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it
was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .
It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball game.”

It is.

That’s exactly what I meant.

In previous IRS scandals it was the powerful abusing the powerful—a
White House moving against prominent financial or journalistic figures
who, because of their own particular status or the machineries at
their disposal, could pretty much take care of themselves. A scandal
erupts, there are headlines, and then people go on their way. The
dreadful thing about this scandal, what makes it ominous, is that this
is the elites versus regular citizens. It’s the mighty versus normal
people. It’s the all-powerful directors of the administrative state
training their eyes and moving on uppity and relatively undefended
Americans.

That’s what makes this scandal different, and why if it’s not stopped
now it will never stop. Because every four years you can get yourself
a new president and a new White House, but you won’t easily get
yourself a whole new administrative state. It’s there, it’s not going
away, not anytime soon. If it isn’t forced back into its cage now, and
definitively, it will prowl the land hungrily forever.

One more thing.

One of the reasons a lot of people in New York and Washington are not
deeply distressed by the IRS targeting of conservative groups is that
they have it in their heads that it only involved the tea party and
the tea party is full of nuts, weirdoes and radicals whose
discouragement wouldn’t be a grave national loss. It’s not only tea-
party groups that were targeted, of course, but the IRS was only too
happy to get the idea out there that it was. But if you’re the kind of
person who thinks Tea Party people are low and extreme, that they’re
the kind of people who’d hurt our country, take a few minutes to look
at this. It’s a website that will take you to videos of a town hall
meeting of the SouthWest Cincinnati Tea Party. It was held Wednesday
night. Its subject was “IRS Intimidation—Are You Next?”

Do those people really strike you as weird and radical? Do they seem
destructive? They are normal citizens. And they feel besieged.

[GOP : Caged monkeys flinging shit that won't stick]

On Saturday, June 1, 2013 11:42:11 AM UTC-5, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> Why This Scandal Is Different
>
>
>
> Peggy Noonan
>
>
>
> Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>
> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get there,
>
> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>
> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,
>
> and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was trying to
>

> geuuuu

> Do those people really strike you as weird and radical? Do they ses

>
> destructive? They are normal citizens. And they feel besieged.

The IRS job is to find tax dodgers and Real Americans know those fraudulent scams done by the tea baggers were to laundry money. S

[David Johnston]

Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?

[Gray Guest]

"GOP : Caged monkeys flinging shit that won't stick"
<smapper...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5426c9cb-d18b-4fad...@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, June 1, 2013 11:42:11 AM UTC-5, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>
>>
>>
>> Peggy Noonan
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes when you're writing part of a column you keep getting close
>>
>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don't quite get there,
>>
>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>
>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,
>>
>> and you think: That's what I meant to say. That's what I was trying t
> o
>>
>> geuuuu
>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>
>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>
>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>
>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>
>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the
>>
>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn't a discrete
>>
>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>
>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>
>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>
>> list.
>>
>>
>>
>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, "The left likes to say,
>>

>> 'Watergate was worse!' Watergate was bad-don't get me wrong. But

> it
>>
>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .
>>
>> It's something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>
>> government against ordinary people. It's a whole different ball game.
> "
>>
>>
>>
>> It is.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's exactly what I meant.
>>
>>
>>

>> In previous IRS scandals it was the powerful abusing the powerful-a

>> night. Its subject was "IRS Intimidation-Are You Next?"

>>
>>
>>
>> Do those people really strike you as weird and radical? Do they ses
>>
>> destructive? They are normal citizens. And they feel besieged.
>
> The IRS job is to find tax dodgers and Real Americans know those
> fraudulent scams done by the tea baggers were to laundry money. S
>
>

Listen up douchebag. If you are saying that's it's OK to target citizens
for thier beleifs then what comes next is on your head.

And when the Conservatives next get in power we'll be paying you a visit.
Same rules, same penalties.

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

[Zepp]

"501(c)(4)s are people too!"

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On 6/2/2013 8:02 AM, David Johnston wrote:


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[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

Tea Baggers were targeted for their disproportionate tax frauds not
their beliefs

>And when the Conservatives next get in power we'll be paying you a visit.
>Same rules, same penalties.

''Next get in power"?

You are delusional.

Like a cancer eating from within, the Tea Party has destroyed the GOP.

Meanwhile, The GOP's Favorability Ratings Have Tanked To Their Lowest
Point Ever

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-gop-favorability-rating-obama-irs-tea-party-scandals-2013-5


http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-gop-favorability-rating-obama-irs-tea-party-scandals-2013-5

[SaPeIsMa]

"David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>
>> Peggy Noonan
>>

>> Sometimes when you�re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don�t quite get there,

>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,

>> and you think: That�s what I meant to say. That�s what I was trying to

>> get.
>>
>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>
>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn�t a discrete

>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>> list.
>>

>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, �The left likes to say,
>> �Watergate was worse!� Watergate was bad�don�t get me wrong. But it

>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>> It�s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>> government against ordinary people. It�s a whole different ball game.�

>
> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>

As opposed to the elites
Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?

[David Johnston]

On 6/3/2013 6:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>
>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>

>>> Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get there,

>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,

>>> and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was trying to

>>> get.
>>>
>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>
>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn’t a discrete

>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>> list.
>>>

>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say,

>>> ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it

>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>>> It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>> government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball game.”

>>
>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>
>
>
>
> As opposed to the elites
> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?

I wasn't asking for a definition of "ordinary". I was asking what
ordinary people were having the machinery of government used against
them in this case.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:11:32 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>
>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>

>>> Sometimes when you�re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don�t quite get there,

>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,

>>> and you think: That�s what I meant to say. That�s what I was trying to

>>> get.
>>>
>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>
>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn�t a discrete

>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>> list.
>>>

>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, �The left likes to say,
>>> �Watergate was worse!� Watergate was bad�don�t get me wrong. But it

>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>>> It�s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>> government against ordinary people. It�s a whole different ball game.�

>>
>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>
>
>
>
>As opposed to the elites
> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?

The Tea Party is the brain child of the Koch Brothers and is financed
and organized by them.

It is a prime example of plutocratic elites organizing against
ordinary people to destroy their rights.

[Zepp]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 07:11:32 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:

> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>
>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>

>>> Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get there,

>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,

>>> and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was trying to

>>> get.
>>>
>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>
>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn’t a discrete

>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>> list.
>>>

>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say,

>>> ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it

>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>>> It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>> government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball game.”

>>
>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>
>>
>
>
> As opposed to the elites
> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?

Don't you know? 501(c)(4) are -ordinary people-!

[SaPeIsMa]

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The ordinary people who tried to form groups and applied to the IRS for
legal purposes and where then (way) over investigated and had their
applications delayed for years

Did you ever consider hiring someone to help you understand what you read ?
I'm sure you could find a nice retired High School teacher to help you out a
couple of hours a day...

[David Johnston]

What gives you the idea that those were ordinary people rather than the
"elite"?

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[SaPeIsMa]

"David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message

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> On 6/3/2013 9:35 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>> news:koi70c$2h0$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 6/3/2013 6:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sometimes when you�re writing part of a column you keep getting close
>>>>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don�t quite get there,

>>>>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>>>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you
>>>>>> whole,

>>>>>> and you think: That�s what I meant to say. That�s what I was trying

>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>>>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>>>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>>>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>>>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>>>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn�t a

>>>>>> discrete
>>>>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>>>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>>>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, �The left likes to say,

>>>>>> �Watergate was worse!� Watergate was bad�don�t get me wrong. But it

>>>>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>>>>>> It�s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>>>>> government against ordinary people. It�s a whole different ball
>>>>>> game.�

>>>>>
>>>>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to the elites
>>>> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?
>>>
>>> I wasn't asking for a definition of "ordinary". I was asking what
>>> ordinary people were having the machinery of government used against
>>> them in this case.
>>
>>
>> The ordinary people who tried to form groups and applied to the IRS for
>> legal purposes and where then (way) over investigated and had their
>> applications delayed for years
>>
>
> What gives you the idea that those were ordinary people rather than the
> "elite"?
>

What gives you the idea that they are not
Do you even know the meaning of "elite"
Were you not able to gather from the article, Noonan's use and meaning of it
?
Please have your mommy read and explain the article to you..

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On 6/4/2013 4:16 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message

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[David Johnston]

On 6/4/2013 5:16 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
> news:koifd3$osj$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/3/2013 9:35 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>>> news:koi70c$2h0$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 6/3/2013 6:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting
>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get

>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>>>>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you
>>>>>>> whole,

>>>>>>> and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was

>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>>>>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>>>>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
>>>>>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>>>>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>>>>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn’t a

>>>>>>> discrete
>>>>>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
>>>>>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>>>>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say,

>>>>>>> ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it

>>>>>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .

>>>>>>> It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>>>>>> government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball
>>>>>>> game.”

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to the elites
>>>>> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't asking for a definition of "ordinary". I was asking what
>>>> ordinary people were having the machinery of government used against
>>>> them in this case.
>>>
>>>
>>> The ordinary people who tried to form groups and applied to the IRS for
>>> legal purposes and where then (way) over investigated and had their
>>> applications delayed for years
>>>
>>
>> What gives you the idea that those were ordinary people rather than
>> the "elite"?
>>
>
>
>
> What gives you the idea that they are not

The fact that they registered their political organizations as 501 c 4
apolitical organizations to hide their identities. So I'm thinking
people with deep pockets, slick lawyers and worries about media
coverage. It's not a "grass-roots movement" approach

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"David Johnston" <davidjo...@block.com> wrote in message
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> On 6/4/2013 5:16 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>> news:koifd3$osj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 6/3/2013 9:35 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:koi70c$2h0$2...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 6/3/2013 6:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>>>> "David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sometimes when you�re writing part of a column you keep getting
>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don�t quite get

>>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>>>>>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you
>>>>>>>> whole,

>>>>>>>> and you think: That�s what I meant to say. That�s what I was

>>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
>>>>>>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>>>>>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
>>>>>>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the

>>>>>>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn�t a

>>>>>>>> discrete
>>>>>>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>>>>>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, �The left likes to say,

>>>>>>>> �Watergate was worse!� Watergate was bad�don�t get me wrong. But it

>>>>>>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . .
>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>>> It�s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>>>>>>> government against ordinary people. It�s a whole different ball
>>>>>>>> game.�

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to the elites
>>>>>> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't asking for a definition of "ordinary". I was asking what
>>>>> ordinary people were having the machinery of government used against
>>>>> them in this case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ordinary people who tried to form groups and applied to the IRS for
>>>> legal purposes and where then (way) over investigated and had their
>>>> applications delayed for years
>>>>
>>>
>>> What gives you the idea that those were ordinary people rather than
>>> the "elite"?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What gives you the idea that they are not
>
> The fact that they registered their political organizations as 501 c 4
> apolitical organizations to hide their identities.

HUH ?
Are you really this stump ignorant ?
Those registration documents are public record.

> So I'm thinking people with deep pockets, slick lawyers and worries about
> media coverage. It's not a "grass-roots movement" approach

Funny how you don't spout that ignorant shit about pinkies who do EXACTLY
THE SAME THING
The word hypocrite fits you well.

[David Johnston]

The donors are not public record. That's what the dispute is about, as
I understand it.

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>>>>> On 6/3/2013 9:35 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
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>>>>>>>> news:kofmi3$ufv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why This Scandal Is Different
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peggy Noonan
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get

>>>>>>>>>> there,
>>>>>>>>>> the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
>>>>>>>>>> relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you
>>>>>>>>>> whole,

>>>>>>>>>> and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was

>>>>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the
>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>> kept not quite working, the deadline came.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
>>>>>>>>>> conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in
>>>>>>>>>> government. He
>>>>>>>>>> understood the point I was trying to make about how the current
>>>>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>>>>> scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to
>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn’t a

>>>>>>>>>> discrete
>>>>>>>>>> event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
>>>>>>>>>> executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to
>>>>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>>>>> ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong.

>>>>>>>>>> But it
>>>>>>>>>> was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites.
>>>>>>>>>> . . .

>>>>>>>>>> It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of
>>>>>>>>>> government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball
>>>>>>>>>> game.”

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ordinary people? What ordinary people are we talking about?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As opposed to the elites
>>>>>>>> Can't you even read a simple text for comprehension ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn't asking for a definition of "ordinary". I was asking what
>>>>>>> ordinary people were having the machinery of government used against
>>>>>>> them in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ordinary people who tried to form groups and applied to the IRS
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> legal purposes and where then (way) over investigated and had their
>>>>>> applications delayed for years
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What gives you the idea that those were ordinary people rather than
>>>>> the "elite"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What gives you the idea that they are not
>>>
>>> The fact that they registered their political organizations as 501 c 4
>>> apolitical organizations to hide their identities.
>>
>>
>> HUH ?
>> Are you really this stump ignorant ?
>> Those registration documents are public record.
>
> The donors are not public record. That's what the dispute is about, as I
> understand it.
>

No
That is NOT what the dispute is about..

[David Johnston]

So what is it about? WHy did they register political groups as
apolitical groups?

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Re: ##Peggy Noonan: Why This Scandal Is Different

Group: talk.politics.guns Date: Mon, Jun 3, 2013, 7:55am (EDT-2) From:
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On 6/3/2013 6:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
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On 6/1/2013 10:42 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:

Why This Scandal Is Different

=================

The ordinary people founding small groups with conservative values.

Did you watch any of them before Congress?

Probably not.

Too ordinary for elite wannabes like you.

--
"Never try to outstubborn a cat."--

Robert A. Heinlein--

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Re: ##Peggy Noonan: Why This Scandal Is Different

Group: talk.politics.guns Date: Sat, Jun 1, 2013, 10:15am (EDT-3) From:
smapper...@gmail.com
(GOP : Caged monkeys flinging shit that won't stick)

On Saturday, June 1, 2013 11:42:11 AM UTC-5, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Why This Scandal Is Different
Peggy Noonan
Sometimes when you're writing part of a column you keep getting close
to the meaning of what you want to say but you don't quite get there,
the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later,
relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole,
and you think: That's what I meant to say. That's what I was trying to

geuuuu

This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph
kept not quite working, the deadline came.
I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying
conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He
understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS
scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the
American arrangement. I had written that this scandal isn't a discrete
event in which a president picks up a phone and tells someone in the
White House to look into the finances of some steel industry
executives, or to check out the returns of some guy on an enemies
list.
But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, "The left likes to say,
'Watergate was worse!' Watergate was bad—don't get me wrong. But it
was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . .
It's something quite different when elites use the machinery of
government against ordinary people. It's a whole different ball game."

It is.
That's exactly what I meant.
In previous IRS scandals it was the powerful abusing the powerful—a
White House moving against prominent financial or journalistic figures
who, because of their own particular status or the machineries at
their disposal, could pretty much take care of themselves. A scandal
erupts, there are headlines, and then people go on their way. The
dreadful thing about this scandal, what makes it ominous, is that this
is the elites versus regular citizens. It's the mighty versus normal
people. It's the all-powerful directors of the administrative state
training their eyes and moving on uppity and relatively undefended
Americans.
That's what makes this scandal different, and why if it's not stopped
now it will never stop. Because every four years you can get yourself
a new president and a new White House, but you won't easily get
yourself a whole new administrative state. It's there, it's not going
away, not anytime soon. If it isn't forced back into its cage now, and
definitively, it will prowl the land hungrily forever.
One more thing.
One of the reasons a lot of people in New York and Washington are not
deeply distressed by the IRS targeting of conservative groups is that
they have it in their heads that it only involved the tea party and
the tea party is full of nuts, weirdoes and radicals whose
discouragement wouldn't be a grave national loss. It's not only tea-
party groups that were targeted, of course, but the IRS was only too
happy to get the idea out there that it was. But if you're the kind of
person who thinks Tea Party people are low and extreme, that they're
the kind of people who'd hurt our country, take a few minutes to look
at this. It's a website that will take you to videos of a town hall
meeting of the SouthWest Cincinnati Tea Party. It was held Wednesday
night. Its subject was "IRS Intimidation—Are You Next?"
Do those people really strike you as weird and radical? Do they ses
destructive? They are normal citizens. And they feel besieged.
The IRS job is to find tax dodgers and Real Americans know those
fraudulent scams done by the tea baggers were to laundry money. S

=================

What fraudulent scams were done by homosexuals?

And who needed laundry money?

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Group: talk.politics.guns Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2013, 6:40pm (EDT-2) From:
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[Scout]

"SpamБuster" <Spam Bus...@nyet.ca> wrote in message

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We're trying.

[Scout]

UNGONE

"SpamБuster" <Spam Bus...@nyet.ca> wrote in message

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[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:01:38 -0700, Spam?uster <Spam Bus...@nyet.ca>
wrote:

>GONE

You are deluded.

Nothing is gone, only your disruptive spam added.

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[Spamßuster]

KILLFILED

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[Spamßuster]

GONE

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On 6/5/2013 2:37 PM, Scout wrote:

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:32:44 -0700, Spamßuster
<Spamßus...@notTocda.ca> wrote:

>GONE

Sorry you are mistaken.
Scout is still here arguing his POV as usual.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

You snipped out the message, so we can't see WHAT it is you want us to
keep out of Canada.

[GaryWillis]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:49:02 -0700, Spamßuster
<Spamßus...@notTocda.ca> wrote:

>KILLFILED
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>On 6/5/2013 1:23 PM, GaryWillis wrote:

You snipped out the message, so we can't see WHAT it is you want us to
keep out of Canada.

###

Intelligence?

[Zepp]

The guy's just a nut. Among other things he's deemed unfit for Canadian
consumption were threads dealing with the demise of the Canadian penny,
and the last election in Quebec.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:10:46 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:45:02 -0400, GaryWillis wrote:
>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
>> news:f801r85islf72nv0r...@4ax.com...
>>

>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:49:02 -0700, Spam�uster <Spam�us...@notTocda.ca>

>> wrote:
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>>>KILLFILED
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>>> KEEP IT THE HELL OUT OF CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS, THANKS
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>>>On 6/5/2013 1:23 PM, GaryWillis wrote:
>>
>> You snipped out the message, so we can't see WHAT it is you want us to
>> keep out of Canada.
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Intelligence?
>
>The guy's just a nut. Among other things he's deemed unfit for Canadian
>consumption were threads dealing with the demise of the Canadian penny,
>and the last election in Quebec.

Continued taunting may help to cause the vein in his forehead to give
way. I say we try it.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:10:46 +0000 (UTC), Zepp <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:45:02 -0400, GaryWillis wrote:
>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
>>> news:f801r85islf72nv0r...@4ax.com...
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>>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:49:02 -0700, Spamßuster <Spamßus...@notTocda.ca>

>>> wrote:
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>>>>KILLFILED
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>>>>On 6/5/2013 1:23 PM, GaryWillis wrote:
>>>
>>> You snipped out the message, so we can't see WHAT it is you want us to
>>> keep out of Canada.
>>>
>>> ###
>>>
>>> Intelligence?
>>
>>The guy's just a nut. Among other things he's deemed unfit for Canadian
>>consumption were threads dealing with the demise of the Canadian penny,
>>and the last election in Quebec.
>
> Continued taunting may help to cause the vein in his forehead to give
> way. I say we try it.

We can only hope....