Oil is winning its war on us

[kensi]

Heat, heat, heat. It’s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
ever have wished for:

https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here." ~Checkmate

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On 2022-07-26 7:55 p.m., kensi wrote:
> Heat, heat, heat. It’s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
> ever have wished for:
>
> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/
>

i wished for it

[Oil is forever]

On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:

> Heat, heat, heat. It’s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
> ever have wished for:
>
> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/

Wind turbines can't run without oil, typically three different kinds.
They will have lubrication oil, grease and hydraulic oil.

You want to cut down on heat?

Jet engines produce heat of 3,000+ degrees Fahrenheit during operation.

The heat released by burning a typical jet fuel in air is approximately
43,370 kilojoules per kilogram (18,650 British thermal units per pound) of
fuel. That's per engine.

A 737 will burn 5,000 pounds (750 gallons) per hour. That equates to
13,987,500 BTU per hour. That's one aircraft. Consider how many are in
daily operation. The average flight is 1 - 4 hours. A four hour flight
would be 55,950,000 BTU total for one aircraft.

An Airbus A380 will burn 11000-12000 (est 1,800 gallons) per hour. It
also has four engines with greater thrust than the 737. Foregoing
detailed specifics, we'll use the same BTU value for our calculations
resulting in 33,570,000 BTU per hour. Again, that's one aircraft. It's a
long distance aircraft that can fly in excess of 15 hours. A 15 hour
flight would be 503,550,000 BTU total for a single aircraft.

Before the COVID pandemic, there were nearly 10,000 aircraft in flight at
any one given time. Flights have declined between 10-20% since then.

That total doesn't consider other types of flights, such as cargo,
military, and private jets. Per FlightAware, commercial aviation only
comprised about 46.4% of all flights in 2021, so the total number of
planes in the air at any time might actually be double.

Trivia:

How much fuel does an F4 burn?
At a normal cruise speed of 450 knots (518 mph), the F-4 burns about 100
pounds of its kerosene-based fuel per minute @6000 lbs per hour.

How much fuel does an F14 burn?
The specific fuel consumption of this engine was 150 lbs/kNh or 562
lbs/kNh with the afterburner. 2,300 lb of fuel per minute on maximum
afterburner. Capacity: 2,985 US Gal. (11,300L) (with external tanks)


The F-15 can burn through an amazing amount of fuel in a short amount of
time. In the dense air at sea level with maximum afterburner selected and
at high speed, the total fuel flow can be more than 23,000 gallons per
hour, or 385 gallons per minute. 6 minutes of flight time at that rate.

Just as general information, the F-16 at full military power and low
altitudes burns about 8000 pounds of fuel an hour, which with a full
droptank configuration gives it about 2 hours' flight time. In full
afterburner at low altitudes, the F-16 can burn in excess of 64,000 pounds
an hour.

An F-18E holds 14,400 lbs of fuel internally. The GE F414 engine burns
about 36,000 lbs/hr of fuel in full afterburner, so a total fuel burn of
72,000 lb/hr would be typical for this power output. Very short range,
600 miles.

The military does a LOT of arial refueling that nobody knows about except
them.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 02:55:20 -0000 (UTC), kensi
<kkensi...@gmail.invalid> wrote:

>Heat, heat, heat. It’s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
>ever have wished for:

Summer is like that.

[R Kym Horsell]

In alt.global-warming Oil is forever <:@:.:> wrote:
> On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
> news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>

>> Heat, heat, heat. It???s a world of firsts, of records that no one could

>> ever have wished for:
>>
>> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/
>
> Wind turbines can't run without oil, typically three different kinds.
> They will have lubrication oil, grease and hydraulic oil.

...

Somewhat conflating crude oil, synthetic oil, and vegetable oil.
According to some estimates oil and gas will run out at current
usage around 2070. "Forever" turns out to be 50y.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

President Carter's top energy advisor, James Schlesinger, said Friday
the natural gas shortage is real, "and the United States will run out
of oil and gas in the next 30 or 40 years. [2017]"
-Scranton Tribune, February 12, 1977

[R Kym Horsell]

In alt.global-warming I Never Have My Facts Straight <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:45:53 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
> <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>>In alt.global-warming Oil is forever <:@:.:> wrote:
>>> On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
>>> news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>>>> Heat, heat, heat. It???s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
>>>> ever have wished for:
>>>> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/
>>> Wind turbines can't run without oil, typically three different kinds.
>>> They will have lubrication oil, grease and hydraulic oil.

>>Somewhat conflating crude oil, synthetic oil, and vegetable oil.
>>According to some estimates oil and gas will run out at current
>>usage around 2070. "Forever" turns out to be 50y.
> President Carter's top energy advisor, James Schlesinger, said Friday
> the natural gas shortage is real, "and the United States will run out
> of oil and gas in the next 30 or 40 years. [2017]"
> -Scranton Tribune, February 12, 1977

Luckily Iran began pumping again and AMerica was saved!

--
The Organization for Petroleum Exporting Countries reports that there are
1.5 trillion barrels of crude oil reserves left in the world. These are
proven reserves that are still capable of being extracted by commercial
drilling.

Annually, global consumption is even more impressive, reaching 36.4 billion
barrels consumed in 2018, according to BP. That's $2.184 trillion worth of
oil consumption in a single year. In gallons, the world's annual consumption
is 1.134 trillion-roughly half the amount of water found in Lake Michigan.
-- oilprice.com

1500/36.4 == 41.2years

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:35:15 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell

<k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:

>In alt.global-warming I Never Have My Facts Straight <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:45:53 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
>> <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>>>In alt.global-warming Oil is forever <:@:.:> wrote:
>>>> On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
>>>> news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>>>>> Heat, heat, heat. It???s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
>>>>> ever have wished for:
>>>>> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/
>>>> Wind turbines can't run without oil, typically three different kinds.
>>>> They will have lubrication oil, grease and hydraulic oil.
>>>Somewhat conflating crude oil, synthetic oil, and vegetable oil.
>>>According to some estimates oil and gas will run out at current
>>>usage around 2070. "Forever" turns out to be 50y.
>> President Carter's top energy advisor, James Schlesinger, said Friday
>> the natural gas shortage is real, "and the United States will run out
>> of oil and gas in the next 30 or 40 years. [2017]"
>> -Scranton Tribune, February 12, 1977
>
>Luckily Iran began pumping again and AMerica was saved!

And now we magically produce enough to sustain ourselves!

[max headroom]

In news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid>
typed:

> Heat, heat, heat. It's a world of firsts, of records that no one could

> ever have wished for:...

The folks at Carrier are pretty happy.

[Scout]

"R Kym Horsell" <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote in message
news:tbr510$10i7$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

Yawn... I've head it claimed that we will "run out of oil" in just a couple
of decades for my whole life. Hasn't happened yet.

1909: 25 or 30 years longer
"Petroleum has been used for less than 50 years, and it is estimated that
the supply will last about 25 or 30 years longer. If production is curtailed
and waste stopped it may last till the end of the century. The most
important effects of its disappearance will be in the lack of illuminants.
Animal and vegetable oils will not begin to supply its place. This being the
case, the reckless exploitation of oil fields and the consumption of oil for
fuel should be checked."

- July 19, 1909 Titusville Herald (Titusville, PA)

1919: Two to five years until maximum production
"In meeting the world's needs, however, the oil from the United States will
continue to occupy a less and less dominant position, because within the
next two to five years the oil fields of this country will reach their
maximum production and from that on we will face an ever increasing
decline."

- October 23, 1919 Oil and Gas News

1937: Gone in 15 years
Capt. H. A. Stuart, director of the naval petroleum reserves, told the
Senate Naval Affairs Committee today the oil supply of this country will
last only about 15 years.

"We have been making estimates for the last 15 years,' Stuart said. 'We
always underestimate because of the possibility of discovering new oil
fields. The best information is that the present supply will last only 15
years. That is a conservative estimate.'"

- March 9, 1937 Brooklyn Daily Eagle

1943: Peak oil has been reached
"There is a growing opinion that the United States has reached its peak oil
production, the Oil and Gas Journal pointed out in its current issue. Since
1938, discoveries of new oil have not equaled withdrawals, in any single
year, although there is a very good chance that 1943 will see enough new
Ellenburger oil in West Texas to provide an excess."

- June 7, 1943 Bradford Evening Star (Bradford, PA)

1945: Just thirteen years left
"Faced with the threat that our nation's petroleum reserves may last only
thirteen years, geologists are striving to tap the almost limitless supply
of oil located beneath the seas off our coastline. The first attempt to get
oil from the depths of the Atlantic Ocean was begun this month near Cape
Hatteras, North Carolina, and Secretary of the Interior Harold L. Ickes
revealed that the scientists are making progress in their efforts to reach
the underwater oil."

- December 10, 1945 Times Recorder (Zanesville, Ohio)

1956: Ten to fifteen years until peak oil
"M. King Hubbert of the Shell Development Co. predicted [one year ago] that
peak oil production would be reached in the next 10 to 15 years and after
that would gradually decline."

- March 9, 1957 Corpus Christi Times (Corpus Christi, TX)

1966: Gone in ten years
"A geologist stuck a figurative dipstick into the United States' oil
supplies Tuesday and estimated that the country may be dry in 10 years."

- August 3, 1966 Brandon Sun (Brandon, Manitoba)

1972: U.S. oil depleted in twenty years
"At any rate, U.S. oil supplies will last only 20 years. Foreign supplies
will last 40 or 50 years, but are increasingly dependent upon world
politics."

- May 1972 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

1977: Oil will peak by the early 90s
"As a nation, Americans have been reluctant to accept the prospect of
physical shortages. We must recognize that world oil production will likely
peak in the early 1990's, and from that point on will be on a declining
curve. By the early part of the 21st century, we must face the prospect of
running out of oil and natural gas."

- 1977 US Department of Energy Organization Act

1980: In the year 2000
"Stressing the need for conservation, [physicist Dr. Hans] Bethe said the
world will reach its peak oil production before the year 2000. Production of
oil worldwide will then drop to zero over about 20 years, he said. Rigorous
conservation could stretch the world's oil supply to the year 2050, he said.

- October 17, 1980 Syracuse Post Standard (Syracuse, NY)

1996: Peak oil likely by 2020
"Unfortunately, oil production will likely peak by 2020 and start declining.
Without a change, developing countries will ultimately be left in the dark,
and developed countries will struggle to keep the lights on. Conflict is
inevitable. My guess is that this won't become a big issue unless there is a
thalidomide event. We will have to see in the rear-view mirror that we are
past the peak in worldwide oil production."

- Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, 1996

2002: Global peak by the year 2010
"Global supplies of crude oil will peak as early as 2010 and then start to
decline, ushering in an era of soaring energy prices and economic upheaval -
or so said an international group of petroleum specialists meeting Friday."

- May 25, 2002 Index Journal (Greenwood, SC)

2007: Sometime between now and 2040
Most studies estimate that oil production will peak sometime between now and
2040. This range of estimates is wide because the timing of the peak depends
on multiple, uncertain factors that will help determine how quickly the oil
remaining in the ground is used, including the amount of oil still in the
ground; how much of that oil can ultimately be produced given technological,
cost, and environmental challenges as well as potentially unfavorable
political and investment conditions in some countries where oil is located;
and future global demand for oil.

- February 2007 GAO Report

Now you're telling us it will be 2070... <yawn>

[jecorbe...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:55:22 PM UTC-4, kensi wrote:
> Heat, heat, heat. It’s a world of firsts, of records that no one could
> ever have wished for:
>
> https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/oil-winning-war-on-us/
>

I'm rooting for oil to kick the Chicken Little asses.

We've only been keeping weather records for about 150 years so the sample size is fairly small.
Our earliest records were taken around the end of the Little Ice age so its a good think we are
warmer now than back then. We still aren't as warm as the Holocene Optimum. We're only about
halfway between the Little Ice Age low and the Holocene Optimum. I wonder if back then, about
8-10K years ago, they had Chicken Littles running around whining about how warm it was or did
people just enjoy what the nice weather? I'm betting if there were such assholes, the people just
cut off their heads and stuck them on the end of a stick. Maybe we should adopt that practice.

[jecorbe...@yahoo.com]

The thing about oil is when you start to run out, you just dig deeper. The Chinese were digging for oil in the fourth century using drill bits attached to bamboo poles. In 1859, the western world began drilling for oil at depths of less than 100 feet. Once we learned how to do that, we
learned how to go deeper and even how to drill offshore. We aren't going to run out of oil any
time soon. We're looking at thousands of years into the future before that happens. Nuclear
will take over long before than unless nuclear destroys us all. Either is possible.

[Scout]

<jecorbe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:baf55189-eb0a-4c63...@googlegroups.com...

Well nuclear, at least for electricity, could take over very quickly, we now
have the technology to build safe, efficient nuclear power plants and we
have (had) the technology to effectively deal with the waste products if we
are simply willing to use it (thanks SALT II for that restriction). Fusion
is coming along though we may run into issues getting enough tritium to fire
off the production reactors when we finally get there.

So while we couldn't, eliminate fossil fuel use, we could certainly
drastically cut it back, without the boondoggle of 'green energy'. We could
also eliminate most of the ship fossil fuel use, in time, by installing a
similar nuclear power plant in them.

The problem is there isn't as much profit in such a solution because it is a
solution. The current system will call for massive production, upgrades,
modifications, adaptations, restructuring and of course regular and
continual replacement of the 'green energy' devices. Meaning Trillions in
initial and ongoing profits, and the field is wide open for scams, cons,
shady deals, and poor service/quality because it's so unregulated.... the
politicians will get rich off of the kickbacks.

[Scout]

<jecorbe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:540df814-cb64-4f1a...@googlegroups.com...

well about 8,000 years ago is when Iceland lost most or all of it's glaciers
and become largely a forested Island. for the next 2,000 years.. So I think
it's safe to say we have some natural range that modern society has never
seen.

Further, while we know that external changes can impact the climate, no one,
that I know of, has ever considered whether the core temperature of our
planet remains constant. We like to think is does or should, but really we
have no way of knowing. Because whatever heat is produced in the core will,
eventually, reach the surface. Since we regularly see cycles throughout
nature, it's not unreasonable to consider whether the core of the earth also
has a heating and cooling cycle at would impact surface temperatures, either
over broad regions or even globally working as another harmonic that may
work in conjunction with solar cycles to produce an complex harmonic as the
valleys and peaks are in conjunction, opposition or something in between.

Indeed, the current heating could actually be the result of Covid and our
reaction to it. When we basically shut down much of human industry, the air
cleared up and thus less solar heat was reflected into space and more
reached the surface to cause heating. The warm temperatures this year may be
result of the global shutdown..

[Detroit Diesel Smokers]

On 27 Jul 2022, R Kym Horsell <k...@kymhorsell.com> posted some
news:tbr510$10i7$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

"Al Gore’s $36 Billion Fund Sees New Urgency to Cut Off Oil Money"
"Fossil-fuel stocks have long been off limits at Generation Investment,
with co-founder David Blood saying `we have probably five years.’"

Global warming is purely about making money.

Greedy geenie California is sitting on a lot of oil. It seeps right out
of the ground, no pumping needed. If things get tight, those who need it
will have no problem marching in and killing off the greens to get the
oil.

"Natural seeps in Southern California contribute about 5 million gallons
of oil to the ocean annually, with wide year to year variation (NAS 2003).
However, in the Coal Oil Point area alone, seep estimates range from 4,200
to 25,000 gallons of oil per day, or 1.5 to 9 million gallons annually
(Leifer et al. 2005), indicating substantial uncertainty in these numbers.
These seeps likely have been leaking for thousands of years.

Hypocritical Democrat California should be pumpimg and reducing the oil
leaks to save the ocean, but the plastic straw banners and tree huggers
have the ears of the legislature. Screw those whales, who needs them.

<https://incidentnews.noaa.gov/incident/8934/22546/26338>

[my detachable penis]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 08:24:02 -0000 (UTC), Here I was, minding my own
business, and Oil is forever <:@:.:> is like,

>
>On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
>news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>

>> Heat, heat, heat. It�s a world of firsts, of records that no one could

I've mentioned this concept to the Greentards before. They think global
warming is caused by greenhouse gases produced from burning fossil fuels, but
they never talk about the actual heat from the fucking fire!

--
my detachable penis

Jacket off!

[Oil is forever]

On 27 Jul 2022, my detachable penis <dil...@strap.on> posted some
news:MPG.3d4b20764...@usnews.blocknews.net:

>
>
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 08:24:02 -0000 (UTC), Here I was, minding my own
> business, and Oil is forever <:@:.:> is like,
>
>
>>
>>On 26 Jul 2022, kensi <kkensi...@gmail.invalid> posted some
>>news:tbq9eo$1eoo3$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>>

>>> Heat, heat, heat. Itโค?s a world of firsts, of records that no one

Exactly. They only see the dust on top of the carpet, not what's
underneath.

For comparison.

The eruption temperature of Kilauea lava is about 1,170 degrees Celsius
(2,140 degrees Fahrenheit).
The temperature of the lava in the tubes is about 1,250 degrees Celsius
(2,200 degrees Fahrenheit).

When Mount St. Helens erupted in 1980, it released 24 megatons of thermal
energy. Using a converter, this is equivalent to 1.004(10)17 J.

As of June 2022, there were 239 A380 aircraft alone in service with 16
operators worldwide. Assuming they all fly 15 hours a day, that's
120,348,450,000 BTU per day.

One aircraft carrier refueling jets, pumps about 125,000 gallons of jet
fuel per day. PER DAY! It has 3 million gallons aviation fuel capacity.

The four engines of the Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet burn approximately 10 to 11
tonnes of fuel an hour when in the cruise. This equates to roughly 1
gallon (approximately 4 litres) of fuel every second. They can hold
63,000 gallons of jet fuel. Worldwide, the average price of jet fuel is
about $4.15 per gallon, or about 149 percent more than a year ago. It
costs $261,450.00 per complete fillup at that rate. There are 86,400
seconds in a day and a 747 can fly 16 hours. That's 57,600 gallons.

Freedom and convenience are very expensive and require a lot of petroleum
products.

[jecorbe...@yahoo.com]

There are so many factors which drive both weather and climate, most of it beyond the control
of humans, that it is silly to focus on one thing such as AGW. That does affect climate to some
degree but it is not the driving force. If humans were to suddenly stop burning fossil fuels, it
is likely that global warming would continue. We know this because humans were not burning
fossil fuels 8-10K years ago when the earth's temperatures reached the Holocene Optimum.
Other things contribute as well. 20K years ago, the earth was in a glacial period often
referred to as THE Ice Age. That was just the latest glaciation in the Quaternary Ice Age which
began 2.58 million years ago. Periodically during this ice age, global temperatures will start
to rise dramatically as they did 20K. About 12K years ago, the warming reversed and the earth
cooled again before reaching the Holocene Optimum about 10K years ago. That warm period
lasted for about 2K years.

It's interesting to note that the warmest period during the current Holocene interglacial period
is referred to as the Optimum. Optimum refers to an ideal or best condition. Why was warming
considered an optimum back then but now we are treating it a disaster even though our current
temperatures are about halfway between what they were during the Holocene Optimum and the
Little Ice Age.