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Ray Keller
Mar 1, 2013, 10:08:13âŻPM3/1/13
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From the Owners of McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona
McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and
Informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services ( Bank
of
America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second
Amendment.
McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group
International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12
Years.
Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking,
Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office.
He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to
Evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them.
He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5
Years and has become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of
Accessories.
At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some
time
So that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that
Because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my
Business."
"That is correct", he says.
I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We
Can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our
Business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know
that
BofA is not firearms-industry friendly?"
"You have to do what you must", he said.
"So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that
Right?
Mr. Fox confirmed that it was.
At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing
Left for him to say.
I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our
2nd
Amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does
not
Support these rights.
What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a
business' political position, I cannot, in good conscience support them.
We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment
For our products.
I am fine with you re-posting it. . . . . . . . Thank for your support.
Kelly D. McMillan
Director of Operations
McMillan Group International, LLC
623-582-9635
1638 W Knudsen Dr
Phoenix, Arizona 85027
McMillan Integrity-Global Vision
I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
problem!
Steve from Colorado
Mar 1, 2013, 10:33:35âŻPM3/1/13
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the U.S. entered World War II. Maybe they should change their name
again to reflect their anti-American leanings.
Kicking Ass and Taking Names
Mar 1, 2013, 10:50:13âŻPM3/1/13
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More than likely, the executives at BOA are scratching their heads,
wondering who McMillan Group" is.
JohnJohnsn
Mar 1, 2013, 10:51:35âŻPM3/1/13
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Email us at: gr...@mcmillanusa.com
>
> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
> problem!
>
Addendum:
> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
> problem!
>
Thanks for Your Support!
Kelly McMillan extends his thanks to everyone who supported McMillan
and our 2nd Amendment Rights.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/jDDZoozG6c4?rel=0&autoplay=1
McMillan is now banking with National Bank of Arizona.
CanopyCo
Mar 2, 2013, 9:47:35âŻAM3/2/13
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On Mar 1, 9:08Â pm, "Ray Keller" <Lefta...@re.desperate.com> wrote:
business due to the political beliefs of one of its executives instead
of the beliefs of the majority of its stockholders.
Cite please.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 2, 2013, 10:14:21âŻAM3/2/13
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>CanopyCo <Junk...@aol.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Today was a big day. We actually started closing accounts at Bank of
America. The photo shows the branch I always used to do my
transactions. When I went in and asked who I needed to see to close my
accounts I was pointed to a woman I had not yet met. While in her
office she asked my why I was closing my accounts. When I told her
"you don't want my business any more because I manufacture firearms"
she says what do mean. I said "Mr Fox, a Senior Vice President of your
company came to my office and told me BOA no longer wants my business
because we make firearms." She said "making guns is legal" to which I
replied, "I know that, but apparently Mr Fox doesn't." And that was
the last of the conversation. She had not heard of McMillan or any of
the goings on and as far as she knew had not had anyone else close
there accounts because of their treatment of McMillan.
June 15, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational
McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing and
analysis" meeting in order to evaluate the two lines of credit we have
than a supplier of accessories.
At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possible save you
some time so that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to
tell me is that because we are in the firearms manufacturing business
you no longer what my business."
"That is correct" he says.
to have our business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and
everyone one I know that BofA is not firearms industry friendly?"
"You have to do what you must" he said.
Mr Fox confirmed that it was. At which point I told him that the
meeting was over and there was nothing left for him to say.
I think it is import for all Americans who believe in and support our
2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms should know when a business
does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up
to you. When I don't agree with a business' political position I can
not in good conscience support them.
April 29, 2012
ibid
I find it difficult to believe that a business would make up stories
about a bank-- going so far as to change account and not even accept
credit cards from that bank-- when the story isn't true.
America. The photo shows the branch I always used to do my
transactions. When I went in and asked who I needed to see to close my
accounts I was pointed to a woman I had not yet met. While in her
office she asked my why I was closing my accounts. When I told her
"you don't want my business any more because I manufacture firearms"
she says what do mean. I said "Mr Fox, a Senior Vice President of your
company came to my office and told me BOA no longer wants my business
because we make firearms." She said "making guns is legal" to which I
replied, "I know that, but apparently Mr Fox doesn't." And that was
the last of the conversation. She had not heard of McMillan or any of
the goings on and as far as she knew had not had anyone else close
there accounts because of their treatment of McMillan.
June 15, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational
McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing and
McMillan Group International have been collectively banking with Bank
of America for 12 years. Today (April 19, 2012) Mr. Ray Fox, Senior
Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking, Global Commercial
Banking came to my office. He scheduled the meeting as an "account
analysis" meeting in order to evaluate the two lines of credit we have
with them. He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed
in the last 5 years and have become more of a firearms manufacturer
than a supplier of accessories.
At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possible save you
some time so that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to
tell me is that because we are in the firearms manufacturing business
you no longer what my business."
"That is correct" he says.
I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as
possible. We can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad
to have our business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and
everyone one I know that BofA is not firearms industry friendly?"
"You have to do what you must" he said.
"So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is
that right?"
Mr Fox confirmed that it was. At which point I told him that the
meeting was over and there was nothing left for him to say.
I think it is import for all Americans who believe in and support our
2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms should know when a business
does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up
to you. When I don't agree with a business' political position I can
not in good conscience support them.
April 29, 2012
ibid
I find it difficult to believe that a business would make up stories
about a bank-- going so far as to change account and not even accept
credit cards from that bank-- when the story isn't true.
Marco Rubio is still a Mexican - even with a red tie
Mar 2, 2013, 12:10:36âŻPM3/2/13
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On 3/1/2013 9:08 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
> problem!
>
>
I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
>
> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
> problem!
>
>
arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
deals who make blood money from the death children
is no longer a safe proposition.
Capitalism sucks .. huh ?
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SAVE AMERICA!!
Spay or neuter
your Republican!!
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JohnJohnsn
Mar 2, 2013, 12:21:40âŻPM3/2/13
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On Mar 2, 9:14 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>> On Mar 1, 9:08 pm, "Ray Keller" <Lefta...@re.desperate.com> wrote:
>
>>> From the Owners of McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona
>
>>> McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and
>>> Informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services (Bank of
The erosion and collapse of an earthen dam begins with but a single
water drop.
>
> June 15, 2012https://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational
wrote:
>
>
> CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>> On Mar 1, 9:08 pm, "Ray Keller" <Lefta...@re.desperate.com> wrote:
>
>>> From the Owners of McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona
>
>>> McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and
>>> America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second
>>> Amendment.
>
>>> McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group
>>> International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12
>>> Years.
>
>>> Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking,
>>> Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office.
>
>>> He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to
>>> Evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them.
>
>>> He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5
>>> Years and has become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of
>>> Accessories.
>
>>> At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some time
>>> So that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that
>>> Because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my
>>> Business."
>>> "That is correct", he says.
>
>>> I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible.
>>> We Can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our
>>> Business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know
>>> that BofA is not firearms-industry friendly?"
>
>>> "You have to do what you must", he said.
>>> "So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that right?
>>> Amendment.
>
>>> McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group
>>> International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12
>>> Years.
>
>>> Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking,
>>> Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office.
>
>>> He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to
>>> Evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them.
>
>>> He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5
>>> Years and has become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of
>>> Accessories.
>
>>> At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some time
>>> So that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that
>>> Because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my
>>> Business."
>>> "That is correct", he says.
>
>>> I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible.
>>> We Can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our
>>> Business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know
>>> that BofA is not firearms-industry friendly?"
>
>>> "You have to do what you must", he said.
>>> Mr. Fox confirmed that it was.
>>> At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing
>>> Left for him to say.
>
>>> I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd
>>> Amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does
>>> At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing
>>> Left for him to say.
>
>>> I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd
>>> Amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does
>>> not support these rights.
>>> What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a
>>> What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a
water drop.
>
> June 15, 2012https://www.facebook.com/McMillanGroupInternational
Winston_Smith
Mar 2, 2013, 6:16:06âŻPM3/2/13
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:10:36 -0600, Marco Rubio is still a Mexican -
even with a red tie <pint...@hoo.com> wrote:
> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
>arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
>gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
>deals who make blood money from the death children
>is no longer a safe proposition.
In a great many places, business operations must have a mercantile
even with a red tie <pint...@hoo.com> wrote:
> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
>arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
>gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
>deals who make blood money from the death children
>is no longer a safe proposition.
licence of something similar under various names. Fundamentally it's a
way to raise revenue but it also is a mechanism force a business to
comply with local rules and ordinances.
In a way, getting such a licence crosses a boundary where the business
premises are not quite private property like a home would be.
One of the conditions usually imposed is that a business deal openly
and fairly with anyone that want to transact business in equal terms.
You can't say we don't serve your kind, or take a seat in the back.
>Capitalism sucks .. huh ?
? If they did, won't so called liberals be up in arms, out on the
streets, and down at city hall demanding equal treatment? When is one
of your governors of DOJ going to send troops to enforce the law of
the land like they have freely done in the past?
>http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NUZ_fM-TQKQ/Sf9PJCiSbLI/AAAAAAAANYI/wzO53XgcCrM/s400/cry_baby.jpg
>Spay or neuter your Republican!!
I'm unimpressed with a post from someone that can sum up his intellect
with a poor cartoon and a slick catch phrase he got in this mornings
talking points e-mail.
Jeff M
Mar 2, 2013, 6:38:25âŻPM3/2/13
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On 3/2/2013 5:16 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:10:36 -0600, Marco Rubio is still a Mexican -
> even with a red tie <pint...@hoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
>> arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
>> gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
>> deals who make blood money from the death children
>> is no longer a safe proposition.
>
> In a great many places, business operations must have a mercantile
> licence of something similar under various names. Fundamentally it's a
> way to raise revenue but it also is a mechanism force a business to
> comply with local rules and ordinances.
>
> In a way, getting such a licence crosses a boundary where the business
> premises are not quite private property like a home would be.
True. Just how different depends on the nature of the issue under
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:10:36 -0600, Marco Rubio is still a Mexican -
> even with a red tie <pint...@hoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
>> arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
>> gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
>> deals who make blood money from the death children
>> is no longer a safe proposition.
>
> In a great many places, business operations must have a mercantile
> licence of something similar under various names. Fundamentally it's a
> way to raise revenue but it also is a mechanism force a business to
> comply with local rules and ordinances.
>
> In a way, getting such a licence crosses a boundary where the business
> premises are not quite private property like a home would be.
consideration.
> One of the conditions usually imposed is that a business deal openly
> and fairly with anyone that want to transact business in equal terms.
> You can't say we don't serve your kind, or take a seat in the back.
I am unaware of such conditions being attached to the issuance of a
business license anywhere, and I's like to see an example if you know of
one.
The obligation to not unlawfully discriminate on certain grounds (race,
religion, etc.) in business accommodation arises from federal statute,
not state or local licensing requirements (except for the generally
unstated but universal expectation or requirement that any business so
licensed be conducted in a lawful manner). This federal law should not
be overgeneralized, however. A business is generally free to
discriminate on any number of other bases.
BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
financial institution.
Steve from Colorado
Mar 2, 2013, 7:31:54âŻPM3/2/13
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On 3/2/2013 10:10 AM, Marco Rubio is still a Mexican - even with a red
We don't speak Ebonics in alt.survival.
tie wrote:
> On 3/1/2013 9:08 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>>
>>
>
> I has nothing to do Constitution . . . .
> On 3/1/2013 9:08 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>>
>>
>
We don't speak Ebonics in alt.survival.
Winston_Smith
Mar 2, 2013, 9:29:33âŻPM3/2/13
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:38:25 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:
>BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>financial institution.
The question is how much power do they have to do that. If they were
an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
them from imminent collapse. It seems if they even exist anymore
because of my dime, I get to tell them some things about how they are
to operate. All I want to tell them is all the federal equal
rights/equal opportunity laws apply.
If you want to say you don't accept those laws, OK. But then you can't
also say you see flaws in capitalism* and rip Republicans** a new one.
You have to pick one side, be consistent and take your lumps with your
gloats. Or don't take sides at all and support a nation of laws. Your
call.
* What we have is not capitalism, not even close.
** Republicans are not conservative; they are the other liberal party.
Just bought and paid for by different commercial interests.
wrote:
>BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>financial institution.
an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
them from imminent collapse. It seems if they even exist anymore
because of my dime, I get to tell them some things about how they are
to operate. All I want to tell them is all the federal equal
rights/equal opportunity laws apply.
If you want to say you don't accept those laws, OK. But then you can't
also say you see flaws in capitalism* and rip Republicans** a new one.
You have to pick one side, be consistent and take your lumps with your
gloats. Or don't take sides at all and support a nation of laws. Your
call.
* What we have is not capitalism, not even close.
** Republicans are not conservative; they are the other liberal party.
Just bought and paid for by different commercial interests.
Jeff M
Mar 2, 2013, 9:45:34âŻPM3/2/13
to
On 3/2/2013 8:29 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:38:25 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> wrote:
>
>> BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>> in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>> are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>> prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>> financial institution.
>
> The question is how much power do they have to do that. If they were
> an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
> be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
> only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
> them from imminent collapse.
Corporate welfare is nothing new. It occurs on a massive scale, year in
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:38:25 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> wrote:
>
>> BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>> in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>> are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>> prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>> financial institution.
>
> The question is how much power do they have to do that. If they were
> an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
> be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
> only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
> them from imminent collapse.
and year out.
> It seems if they even exist anymore
> because of my dime, I get to tell them some things about how they are
> to operate.
along those lines for us in return for their largesse with our money.
> All I want to tell them is all the federal equal
> rights/equal opportunity laws apply.
bailout, or with whether BofA can refuse to do business with the
firearms industry. So far as I know, that doesn't violate any "equal
rights/equal opportunity" laws.
> If you want to say you don't accept those laws, OK.
I've merely been describing the state of existing law as I understand
it. I have neither expressed a personal opinion on the subject, nor
advocated for against any changes to the existing law. Don't kill the
messenger.
> But then you can't
> also say you see flaws in capitalism* and rip Republicans** a new one.
> You have to pick one side, be consistent and take your lumps with your
> gloats. Or don't take sides at all and support a nation of laws. Your
> call.
>
> * What we have is not capitalism, not even close.
> ** Republicans are not conservative; they are the other liberal party.
> Just bought and paid for by different commercial interests.
Richard
Mar 2, 2013, 11:35:47âŻPM3/2/13
to
On 3/2/2013 8:29 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 17:38:25 -0600, Jeff M<NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> wrote:
>
>> BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>> in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>> are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>> prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>> financial institution.
>
> The question is how much power do they have to do that. If they were
> an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
> be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
> only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
> them from imminent collapse.
I saw it more of a Robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario, Winston.
> wrote:
>
>> BofA, or a local branch, apparently made a business decision that it was
>> in their interest not to do business with the firearms industry. They
>> are as free to decline that type of customer as BofA's customers or
>> prospective customers are to take their banking business to a different
>> financial institution.
>
> The question is how much power do they have to do that. If they were
> an "independent" business operating with their "own money" that would
> be one thing. But they are heavily regulated at every level and they
> only survive because all the taxpayers coughed up some money to keep
> them from imminent collapse.
Because the "taxpayers", for the most part, had no option NOT to
"cough up".
>
> * What we have is not capitalism, not even close.
> ** Republicans are not conservative; they are the other liberal party.
> Just bought and paid for by different commercial interests.
bigdog
Mar 2, 2013, 11:44:59âŻPM3/2/13
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Waldo
Mar 2, 2013, 11:50:16âŻPM3/2/13
to
On 3/2/2013 10:10 AM, Marco Rubio is still a Mexican - even with a red
tie wrote:
tie wrote:
> On 3/1/2013 9:08 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>>
>>
>
> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
> arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
> gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
> deals who make blood money from the death children
> is no longer a safe proposition.
>
They don't mind laundering drug money from Mexico.
>
>>
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>>
>>
>
> I has nothing to do Constitution - it's a business
> arrangement and the bank obviously feels promoting
> gun violence with unstable , mentally retarded gun
> deals who make blood money from the death children
> is no longer a safe proposition.
>
Ray Keller
Mar 3, 2013, 3:18:54âŻAM3/3/13
to
LOL
Jeftard the Disbarred lawyer admits he is a lier
On the other hand, the AVVO and Florida Bar information is factual and about
him
The Florida State Bar only lists one Jeff McCann and he is disbarred
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/1E2018ED1F7A362185256D950064C0A5?OpenDocument
Jeffrey Allen McCann
SuspendedNot eligible to practice in Florida
ID Number:-647004
Address:4371 Northlake Blvd # 249
Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 334106253
United States
Phone:561.839.5307
E-Mail:jmla...@gmail.com
vCard:
County:Palm Beach
Circuit:15
Admitted:08/06/2003
10-Year Discipline HistoryYes
Action DateReference
Suspension01-04-2012201250658
Suspended - with Conditions04-20-2012201290120
Law School:Nova Southeastern University - Shepard Broad Law Center
Graduation Year:2002
Degree:Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor
Firm:The Mccann Firm P.A.
Services:ADA accessible client services
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff M" <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
Newsgroups:
alt.bestjobsusa.florida.jobs,miami.general,misc.survivalism,soc.culture.african.american,tampa.music
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: Honest Colin Powell Points out the Racists, Again
> I just respond in kind, automatically posting the same sort of stuff
> that happens to have his name on it, precisely as he's doing, until Ray
> grows up or at least grows tired of his own nonsense. In the meantime, I
> just laugh at the fool he's making of himself online.
>
> But what are you gonna do? I can pity him, and I try not to feed the
> trolls. But even if Ray's driven by nothing more than his internal
> demons of mental illness, its obvious that I'm the target of this
> loony's strangely angry little obsession. Maybe he'll recover his mental
> and emotional equilibrium one day, or finally grow up, or just tire of
> being such a self-embarrassing fool. You can never tell with someone as
> disturbed as Ray appears to be. In the meantime, you could always just
> killfile Ray or me or both for a little while.
>
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Ray Keller
Mar 3, 2013, 3:19:56âŻAM3/3/13
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Winston_Smith
Mar 3, 2013, 6:11:03âŻPM3/3/13
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 20:45:34 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:
both alternatives. Me thinks you try to read too much into posts.
wrote:
>On 3/2/2013 8:29 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> If you want to say you don't accept those laws, OK.
>
>I am not saying anything of the kind. Whatever gave you that idea?
Not the use of the word "if". I don't know what you think and covered
>> If you want to say you don't accept those laws, OK.
>
>I am not saying anything of the kind. Whatever gave you that idea?
both alternatives. Me thinks you try to read too much into posts.
Cydrome Leader
Mar 4, 2013, 12:11:48âŻPM3/4/13
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In rec.crafts.metalworking CanopyCo <Junk...@aol.com> wrote:
>> ? Informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services ( Bank
>> of
>> ? America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second
>> ? Amendment.
>>
>> ? McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group
>> ? International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12
>> ? Years.
>>
>> ? Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking,
>> ? Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office.
>>
>> ? He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to
>> ? Evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them.
>>
>> ? He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5
>> ? Years and has become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of
>> ? Accessories.
>>
>> ? At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some
>> time
>> ? So that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that
>> ? Because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my
>> ? Business."
>> ? "That is correct", he says.
>>
>> ? I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We
>> ? Can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our
>> ? Business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know
>> that
>> ? BofA is not firearms-industry friendly?"
>>
>> ? "You have to do what you must", he said.
>> ? "So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that
>> ? Right?
>> ? Left for him to say.
>>
>> ? I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our
>> 2nd
>> ? Amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does
>> not
>> ? Support these rights.
>> ? What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a
>> ? business' political position, I cannot, in good conscience support them.
>>
>> ? We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment
>> ? For our products.
>>
>> ? I am fine with you re-posting it. . . . . . . . Thank for your support.
>>
>> ? Kelly D. McMillan
>> ? Director of Operations
>> ? McMillan Group International, LLC
>> ? 623-582-9635
>> ? 1638 W Knudsen Dr
>> ? Phoenix, Arizona 85027
>> ? McMillan Integrity-Global Vision
trade to sell the shares left). I was never asked to vote on my beliefs
dealing with what businesses BOA should deal with. It sounds like a suit
decision.
> On Mar 1, 9:08?pm, "Ray Keller" <Lefta...@re.desperate.com> wrote:
>> From the Owners of McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona
>>
>> ? McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and
>> From the Owners of McMillan Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona
>>
>> ? Informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services ( Bank
>> of
>> ? America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second
>> ? Amendment.
>>
>> ? McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group
>> ? International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12
>> ? Years.
>>
>> ? Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking,
>> ? Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office.
>>
>> ? He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to
>> ? Evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them.
>>
>> ? He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5
>> ? Years and has become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of
>> ? Accessories.
>>
>> ? At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some
>> time
>> ? So that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that
>> ? Because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my
>> ? Business."
>> ? "That is correct", he says.
>>
>> ? I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We
>> ? Can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our
>> ? Business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know
>> that
>> ? BofA is not firearms-industry friendly?"
>>
>> ? "You have to do what you must", he said.
>> ? "So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that
>> ? Right?
>> ? Mr. Fox confirmed that it was.
>> ? At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing
>> ? Left for him to say.
>>
>> ? I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our
>> 2nd
>> ? Amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does
>> not
>> ? Support these rights.
>> ? What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a
>> ? business' political position, I cannot, in good conscience support them.
>>
>> ? We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment
>> ? For our products.
>>
>> ? I am fine with you re-posting it. . . . . . . . Thank for your support.
>>
>> ? Kelly D. McMillan
>> ? Director of Operations
>> ? McMillan Group International, LLC
>> ? 623-582-9635
>> ? 1638 W Knudsen Dr
>> ? Phoenix, Arizona 85027
>> ? McMillan Integrity-Global Vision
>>
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>
> I find it very difficult to believe that a bank would turn down
> business due to the political beliefs of one of its executives instead
> of the beliefs of the majority of its stockholders.
I'm a BOA shareholder (through acquistions, it's not worth the cost of a
>> I urge all of my friends to do the same! If I could only get everybody to
>> stand up for the Constitution of The United States we might not have this
>> problem!
>
> I find it very difficult to believe that a bank would turn down
> business due to the political beliefs of one of its executives instead
> of the beliefs of the majority of its stockholders.
trade to sell the shares left). I was never asked to vote on my beliefs
dealing with what businesses BOA should deal with. It sounds like a suit
decision.
George Plimpton
Mar 4, 2013, 1:18:27âŻPM3/4/13
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On 4/4/2013 10:38 PM, Richard wrote:
So, you *can't* offer any evidence on which your belief is based. In
other words, the belief is irrational.
> On 3/2/2013 8:47 AM, CanopyCo wrote:
>>
>> I find it very difficult to believe that a bank would turn down
>> business due to the political beliefs of one of its executives instead
>> of the beliefs of the majority of its stockholders.
>>
>> Cite please.
>>
>>
>
>
> YOU really need to get out more...
>>
>> I find it very difficult to believe that a bank would turn down
>> business due to the political beliefs of one of its executives instead
>> of the beliefs of the majority of its stockholders.
>>
>> Cite please.
>>
>>
>
>
So, you *can't* offer any evidence on which your belief is based. In
other words, the belief is irrational.
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