Arab media says 400 US soldiers killed in Fallujah
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
here, if anyone?
http://trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=872
Sunday, November 14, 2004
Arab Media Reporting 400 American Soldiers Perished in Fallujah
Source: Islam Memo | 10:24:07 PM
The prominent Arab Media Source, Islam Memo is reporting that Fallujah
resulted in the downing of 16 US Fighter Jets, 11 Attack Helicopters,
5 Reconnnaissance Aircrafts and a Chinook plane that was carrying 60
Americans.
In addition to this report they claim that 136 American Soldiers, 15
British Soldiers and 123 Iraqi National Guardsmen are all being held
as prisoners of war. Islam Memo goes on to say that the Mujahideen
have managed to kill 400 American Soldiers and 140 National Guardsmen
in this Battle for Fallujah.
(snip)
Jaberwokie
with half a mind would know better.
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>snipped garbage
DeepSea
news:780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com:
Isn't the Islam Memo the same organization that 'verified' the Iraqi
Information Minister's claim that there were no US troops at the Bahgdad
Airport (during the invasion in 2003), just a few hours before he failed to
show up for an appointment to escort the media to the airport so they could
see for themselves?
DS
James H. Hood
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> here, if anyone?
As sure as a buttered tortilla will land facedown when dropped, it sure as
hell ain't either you or Islam Metro.
Gregory Procter
Jaberwokie wrote:
> It certainly ain't the Arab media that is telling the truth. Anybody
> with half a mind would know better.
You know better?
Kent Finnell
news:41997D5E...@ihug.co.nz...
report. The terrorists don't have the capability of bringing down a fighter
or attack jet. They can take down a helicopter or a slow moving transport
on landing or take off.
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Kent Finnell
From The Music City USA
Ack
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:41997D5E...@ihug.co.nz...
>
>>
>>Jaberwokie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It certainly ain't the Arab media that is telling the truth. Anybody
>>>with half a mind would know better.
>>
>>You know better?
>>
>
> The claim of downing 16 American fighter jets put the lie to the whole
> report. The terrorists don't have the capability of bringing down a fighter
> or attack jet. They can take down a helicopter or a slow moving transport
> on landing or take off.
>
>
Have you and your merry band of intrepid accountants found Bin Laden
yet, Kent?
http://tinyurl.com/bevy
God it must be embarrasing to have made that post...funny how things
come back to haunt you all these years later, hehe...
The Lone Weasel
wrote in
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> Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the
Sounds like Fox News opened an Arabic branch office.
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stay long.
Parsons said he did not feel CNN was liberal, but instead
has a bias for the truth. He conceded that journalists are
often perceived as liberal because they tend to challenge
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Jim E
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.
>
> Arab Media Reporting 400 American Soldiers Perished in Fallujah
The ragheads seem to do news reporting about as well as they do BBQ Ribs.
Jim E
Shaun
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
>Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
>here, if anyone?
>
>http://trackingterrorism.com/Default.asp?dismode=article&artid=872
>
> Sunday, November 14, 2004
>
>Arab Media Reporting 400 American Soldiers Perished in Fallujah
>Source: Islam Memo | 10:24:07 PM
>
>
Rubbish.
They've destroyed the city they claimed to be liberating,, killed
thousands of innocent people, let most of the insurgents escape, shot
wounded prisoners, and caused a widespread uprising in the rest of
Iraq, for the loss of only a few dozen US troops.
Ack
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:41997D5E...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > Jaberwokie wrote:
> >
> >> It certainly ain't the Arab media that is telling the truth. Anybody
> >> with half a mind would know better.
> >
> > You know better?
> >
> The claim of downing 16 American fighter jets put the lie to the whole
> report. The terrorists don't have the capability of bringing down a fighter
> or attack jet. They can take down a helicopter or a slow moving transport
> on landing or take off.
You're lying again just like you lied about the iraq WMDs.
Johnny Bravo
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
>The prominent Arab Media Source, Islam Memo is reporting that Fallujah
>resulted in the downing of 16 US Fighter Jets, 11 Attack Helicopters,
>5 Reconnnaissance Aircrafts and a Chinook plane that was carrying 60
>Americans.
"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their
shovels - We have driven them back." - Iraqi Information Minister
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, aka Baghdad Bob, as broadcast on a prominent
Arab Media Source
"We have destroyed 50 tanks today. That 5-ohhh tanks" [while holding
up his fingers] - Baghdad Bob
>In addition to this report they claim that 136 American Soldiers, 15
>British Soldiers and 123 Iraqi National Guardsmen are all being held
>as prisoners of war. Islam Memo goes on to say that the Mujahideen
>have managed to kill 400 American Soldiers and 140 National Guardsmen
>in this Battle for Fallujah.
"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the
infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The
operation continues" - Baghdad Bob
--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
Anthropy
<baawa-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 15 Nov 2004 18:52:02 -0800, xeto...@yahoo.com (Laura Bush
>murdered her boy friend) wrote:
>
>>The prominent Arab Media Source, Islam Memo is reporting that Fallujah
>>resulted in the downing of 16 US Fighter Jets, 11 Attack Helicopters,
>>5 Reconnnaissance Aircrafts and a Chinook plane that was carrying 60
>>Americans.
>
>"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their
>shovels - We have driven them back." - Iraqi Information Minister
>Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, aka Baghdad Bob, as broadcast on a prominent
>Arab Media Source
>
>"We have destroyed 50 tanks today. That 5-ohhh tanks" [while holding
>up his fingers] - Baghdad Bob
>
>>In addition to this report they claim that 136 American Soldiers, 15
>>British Soldiers and 123 Iraqi National Guardsmen are all being held
>>as prisoners of war. Islam Memo goes on to say that the Mujahideen
>>have managed to kill 400 American Soldiers and 140 National Guardsmen
>>in this Battle for Fallujah.
>
>"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the
>infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The
>operation continues" - Baghdad Bob
"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
government.
"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
"This war has nothing to with stealing Iraqi oil" US Government.
"We don't shoot women and children and unarmed or wounded combatants"
US Army.
The truth is America fears Al Jazeera because it does not tow the US
line. It tells the story from an Arab perspective, that's why it is a
trusted and respected new source worldwide. America even tried to make
Al Jazeera's removal from Falluja a condition of the ceasefire. i.e.
If Al Jazeera is not removed from Falluja, we keep killing. That's how
much the US fear Al Jazeera.
Can you believe some Americans consider it patriotic to listen to
Fox because it never criticizes US policy !!!!?
What a bunch of SICK fucks.
Johnny Bravo
>"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
>government.
They have been found, we know that for a fact.
>"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
It doesn't mean we can't do it at the same time as doing something
else.
>"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
And they were, deny reality all you like.
>"This war has nothing to with stealing Iraqi oil" US Government.
Amount of oil stolen from Iraq - 0 barrels.
>"We don't shoot women and children and unarmed or wounded combatants"
>US Army.
As opposed to those Iraqi insurgents who, when they aren't killing
whole houses full of women and children, are cutting off people's
heads, we actually investigate and punish such behavior.
>The truth is America fears Al Jazeera because it does not tow the US
>line.
LOL, like that average American even knows what the hell Al Jazeera
is, much less fears it. Those of us do know what it is dismiss it as
the inconsequential propagands bullshit it is.
Anthropy
<baawa-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:54:40 GMT, Anthropy <bl...@bogus.com> wrote:
>
>>"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
>>government.
>
> They have been found, we know that for a fact.
Where? when? Cite please. Or are you bullshitting?
>
>>"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
>
> It doesn't mean we can't do it at the same time as doing something
>else.
But it's not the reason you gave for going to war so therefore you
lied. The justification you gave for going to war, i.e. WMD's, Iraqs
connection to Al Queda turned out to be a lie. Don't ask me, ask
Colin Powell. he's so guilt ridden, he's resigning.
>>"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
>
> And they were, deny reality all you like.
Once again, a cite would be nice. Until then, you're bullshitting.
>
>>"This war has nothing to with stealing Iraqi oil" US Government.
>
> Amount of oil stolen from Iraq - 0 barrels.
Well that's not true. the US has manage to sort out a supply to
Israel (the Iraqi people really wanted that)
Also why are the majority of US troops stationed around the oilwells ?
Protecting Haliburtons interests perhaps?
>>"We don't shoot women and children and unarmed or wounded combatants"
>>US Army.
>
> As opposed to those Iraqi insurgents who, when they aren't killing
>whole houses full of women and children, are cutting off people's
>heads, we actually investigate and punish such behavior.
Not if it's committed by US troops.
>
>>The truth is America fears Al Jazeera because it does not tow the US
>>line.
>
> LOL, like that average American even knows what the hell Al Jazeera
>is, much less fears it.
I'd be surprised if the average American knew what the BBC is.
>
> Those of us do know what it is dismiss it as
>the inconsequential propagands bullshit it is.
Only because Al Jazeera speaks the truth and we all know how the US
hates the truth.
Gregory Procter
Johnny Bravo wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:54:40 GMT, Anthropy <bl...@bogus.com> wrote:
>
> >"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
> >government.
>
> They have been found, we know that for a fact.
What has been found?
>
>
> >"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
>
> It doesn't mean we can't do it at the same time as doing something
> else.
>
> >"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
>
> And they were, deny reality all you like.
>
> >"This war has nothing to with stealing Iraqi oil" US Government.
>
> Amount of oil stolen from Iraq - 0 barrels.
It doesn't matter how much you've made a profit on, theft is when you
remove (whatever) from the control of the rightful owner.
>
>
> >"We don't shoot women and children and unarmed or wounded combatants"
> >US Army.
>
> As opposed to those Iraqi insurgents who, when they aren't killing
> whole houses full of women and children, are cutting off people's
> heads, we actually investigate and punish such behavior.
That's _your_ claim, and whether it's true or not it does not justify your
slaughter of innocent civilians.
Christopher Morton
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
>Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
>here, if anyone?
They're as full of shit as you are, Judy.
Of course even if they WEREN'T, that'd make the kill ratio AT LEAST 3
to 1 in our favor!
--
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from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Check out: http://machjr.blogspot.com
Christopher Morton
murdered her boy friend) wrote:
Still lying about the Holocaust, Judy?
arse
Do you have something against using propagander in a war against an
invading army?
DeepSea
@nwall2.odn.ne.jp:
Nope. Do you have something against people who know better denouncing it as
such?
DS
David W. Poole, Jr.
> Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> here, if anyone?
Certainly not you, you imbecilic loser.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> here, if anyone?
>
Not the Arab media. Never trust the enemy.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
"TaliBornAgain" <Je...@ChickenHawk.gov> wrote in message
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>snip<
> Like their site warns, they post what they hear, they can't or won't
> verify it.
Well alrighty then. Just like all the other anti-Bush posters do.
> As far
> as the 400 is concerned that may include seriously injured soldiers as
> well as dead ones.
Or it may just be what some propagandist told them and after all, they do
just post what they hear.
>
> On 15 Nov 2004 18:52:02 -0800, xeto...@yahoo.com (Laura Bush
Gregory Procter
"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
YOU are the enemy.
Johnny Bravo
>On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:14:43 GMT, Johnny Bravo
><baawa-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:54:40 GMT, Anthropy <bl...@bogus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
>>>government.
>>
>> They have been found, we know that for a fact.
>
>Where? when? Cite please. Or are you bullshitting?
Saddam Hussein declared ZERO sarin gas artillery shells in his
accounting to the UN, we've found several in Iraq. Proving beyond any
possible doubt that Saddam Hussein had at least one undeclared
chemical weapons program.
>>>"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
>>
>> It doesn't mean we can't do it at the same time as doing something
>>else.
>
> But it's not the reason you gave for going to war so therefore you
>lied. The justification you gave for going to war, i.e. WMD's, Iraqs
>connection to Al Queda turned out to be a lie. Don't ask me, ask
>Colin Powell. he's so guilt ridden, he's resigning.
>
>>>"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
>>
>> And they were, deny reality all you like.
>
>Once again, a cite would be nice. Until then, you're bullshitting.
Abdul Rahman Yasin, a member of al Qaeda that set the World Trade
Center bomb in 1993, fled to Iraq. U.S. troops recently found
documents in Tikrit, Saddam's home town, that show that a house and a
monthly salary were given to Yasin by Iraq.
Saddam's son Qusay's secret police met with bin Laden at least eight
times according to intelligence made public before the UN Security
Council in Feb, 2003.
Sudanese intelligence agents report that bin Laden met with Iraqi
intelligence agents several times starting in 1994 when bin Laden was
living in Khartoum and met the director of Qusay's secret police in
1996.
In 1999 a British newspaper reported that Farouk Hijazi, a high
ranking officer in Qusay's secret police traveled to Afghanistan to
meet with high ranking al Queda members in 1998.
In October 2000, Pakistani authorities captured an Iraqi
intelligence operative crossing the border of Afghanistan, he was
transferring intelligence to Ayman al Zawahiri, a very high ranking
member of al Queda.
In 1998 an aide, Abbas al-Janabi, to Saddam's son Uday defected, he
repeatedly told reporters that Iraq was linked to al Queda.
Nope, no link there, just put your head back in the sand and hum
real loudly.
>Also why are the majority of US troops stationed around the oilwells ?
Because the Iraqi insurgents are trying to destroy them, the very
last thing they want is for the Iraqi people to rebuild the country
under a democratic government.
>> Those of us do know what it is dismiss it as
>>the inconsequential propagands bullshit it is.
>
>Only because Al Jazeera speaks the truth and we all know how the US
>hates the truth.
Yeah, Baghdad Bob spoke the truth, right. You really need to cut
back on your meds.
Felix D.
"Shaun" <shaun....@ntlworldxksnbuvxnospamxxxx.com> wrote in message
news:24mjp09md6i0vj1rm...@4ax.com...
> They've destroyed the city they claimed to be liberating,, killed
> thousands of innocent people, let most of the insurgents escape, shot
> wounded prisoners, and caused a widespread uprising in the rest of
> Iraq, for the loss of only a few dozen US troops.
Not bad for a few days work.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
"Anthropy" <bl...@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:fplkp0dkf6cnai94n...@4ax.com...
Anthropy is an appropriate pseudonym for you.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
>
>
> Johnny Bravo wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:54:40 GMT, Anthropy <bl...@bogus.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We know that for a fact" US
>> >government.
>>
>> They have been found, we know that for a fact.
>
> What has been found?
>
>>
>>
>> >"Regime change is not a valid argument for invasion" US government.
>>
>> It doesn't mean we can't do it at the same time as doing something
>> else.
>>
>> >"Iraq and Al Queda are linked" US Government.
>>
>> And they were, deny reality all you like.
>>
>> >"This war has nothing to with stealing Iraqi oil" US Government.
>>
>> Amount of oil stolen from Iraq - 0 barrels.
>
> It doesn't matter how much you've made a profit on, theft is when you
> remove (whatever) from the control of the rightful owner.
>
>>
>>
>> >"We don't shoot women and children and unarmed or wounded combatants"
>> >US Army.
>>
>> As opposed to those Iraqi insurgents who, when they aren't killing
>> whole houses full of women and children, are cutting off people's
>> heads, we actually investigate and punish such behavior.
>
> That's _your_ claim, and whether it's true or not it does not justify your
> slaughter of innocent civilians.
>
No slaughter of innocent civilians was committed in the taking of
Afghanistan or Iraq.
There may have been a few casualties in collateral damage but that's
expected and acceptable, especially considering how many had been and would
have been tortured and killed under Sadam's reign.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
YOU are the enemy!
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
Michael Ejercito
> here, if anyone?
>
Michael
David W. Poole, Jr.
Nope, you're just too stupid to know what the truth is.
Gregory Procter
"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
Not really, we haven't invaded anyone nor killed anyone in ages.
Gregory Procter
"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
LOL <sob>
>
> There may have been a few casualties in collateral damage
That's what is known as slaughter of innocent civilians.
> but that's
> expected and acceptable,
It's certainly expected, just as a certain number of civilian casualties are
expected in collateral damage when you destroy a couple of occupied towers in
Manhatten.
Acceptable? NO in both cases.
> especially considering how many had been and would
> have been tortured and killed under Sadam's reign.
We know that one!
It must be nice to know that you are slightly less murderous than Saddam Hussein
- everyone is so impressed!
America the Beautiful
Gregory Procter wrote:
Your life must be boring...
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.
Gregory Procter
America the Beautiful wrote:
> Gregory Procter wrote:
>
> >
> > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >>news:419AB6DC...@ihug.co.nz...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>>>message
> >>>>news:780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> >>>>>here, if anyone?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Not the Arab media. Never trust the enemy.
> >>>
> >>>YOU are the enemy.
> >>>
> >>
> >>YOU are the enemy!
> >
> >
> > Not really, we haven't invaded anyone nor killed anyone in ages.
>
> Your life must be boring...
I have other sources of fun.
Larry J.
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> said:
> I have other sources of fun.
We know. This is it for you.
--
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"Lord, are we worthy of the task that lies before us,
or are we just jerking off..?"
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
Doesn't stop you from being the enemy.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
No, it's what's known as collateral damage. You don't get to pick the
terminology.
>
>> but that's
>> expected and acceptable,
>
> It's certainly expected, just as a certain number of civilian casualties
> are
> expected in collateral damage when you destroy a couple of occupied towers
> in
> Manhatten.
> Acceptable? NO in both cases.
Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
>
>> especially considering how many had been and would
>> have been tortured and killed under Sadam's reign.
>
> We know that one!
> It must be nice to know that you are slightly less murderous than Saddam
> Hussein
> - everyone is so impressed!
>
Take what you can get.
Morton Davis
"Payne N. Diaz" <Payne N. Di...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote in message
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the Iraqi people and drove that horrible humanitarian organization, CARE,
out of Iraq.
-*MORT*-
of the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @futile ColoNel Polyps
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com...
> Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> here, if anyone?
Certainly not the DEA.
of the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @futile ColoNel Polyps
"Michael Ejercito" <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am American born and bred. My family started the US military with
George Washington.
If it were not for Bill Clinton and other warmongering deluded
psychopaths hallucinating angels and ghosts 9//11 would have nevver
happened.
Exterminate the A.merican C.hristian L.iberties U.nion
of the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @futile ColoNel Polyps
>
>
> "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
>
>
> That's what is known as slaughter of innocent civilians.
>
> > but that's
> > expected and acceptable,
>
> It's certainly expected, just as a certain number of civilian
casualties are
> expected in collateral damage when you destroy a couple of occupied
towers in
> Manhatten.
> Acceptable? NO in both cases.
>
> > especially considering how many had been and would
> > have been tortured and killed under Sadam's reign.
>
> We know that one!
> It must be nice to know that you are slightly less murderous than
Saddam Hussein
> - everyone is so impressed!
That is not true. George Bush killed many people while Governor of
Texas. How many people did he kill before?
He kidnapped me with the secret service in 1982 and I still got a
microchip in my back.
And we have only been in Iraq for a year and have already killed 100,000
people. Did Sadamn kill that many in that short of time?
It grows.
Johnny Bravo
the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @ futile>
wrote:
>That is not true. George Bush killed many people while Governor of
>Texas.
Oh God, another moron who thinks that the Governor of Texas has
something to do with executions. Where are all these clueless morons
coming from?
I'll give you the short course, since you seem unable to comprehend
anything else.
The governor of Texas can perform exactly ONE action relating to an
execution in Texas. He can issue one and only one stay of execution
lasting 30 days. That's it, that's the entire extent of the Texas
governor in the Texas execution process.
That's it, after that single stay, the process proceeds in
accordance with Texas law, no matter what the governor of Texas wants
or does.
Gregory Procter
"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419C033B...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> >
> >> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:419AB6DC...@ihug.co.nz...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com...
> >> >> > Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> >> >> > here, if anyone?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Not the Arab media. Never trust the enemy.
> >> >
> >> > YOU are the enemy.
> >> >
> >>
> >> YOU are the enemy!
> >
> > Not really, we haven't invaded anyone nor killed anyone in ages.
> >
>
> Doesn't stop you from being the enemy.
Perhaps we should distinguish between you making yourself the enemy and
someone else making you the enemy.
We are not making ourselves the enemy and nor are we being made enemies of.
You are making yourself the enemy by way of meddling in other nations affairs
and by way of invading other nations. I don't see anyone starting the process
against you.
Gregory Procter
Morton Davis wrote:
Mort, old buddy, old fathead, someone or some group murdered a woman whose only
crime was over 30 years of service to the Iraqi people and drove that horrible
humanitarian organization, CARE, out of Iraq. It was not "they" as in the whole
Iraqi or ME population but just a single group of nutters.
I don't blame you as an individual or the whole US population when some US
nutter takes to sniping civilians in the street, but that's effectively what
you're doing against the Iraqi population.
OK, I know you're not very smart but you can do better than that!
Regards,
Greg.P.
Gregory Procter
"Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
Nor do you - "collateral damage" is a stupid US term for avoiding
responsibility.
It is in fact what is known as slaughter of innocent civilians.
>
>
> >
> >> but that's
> >> expected and acceptable,
> >
> > It's certainly expected, just as a certain number of civilian casualties
> > are
> > expected in collateral damage when you destroy a couple of occupied towers
> > in
> > Manhatten.
> > Acceptable? NO in both cases.
>
> Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
It was very much a provoked attack.
Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
>
>
> >
> >> especially considering how many had been and would
> >> have been tortured and killed under Sadam's reign.
> >
> > We know that one!
> > It must be nice to know that you are slightly less murderous than Saddam
> > Hussein
> > - everyone is so impressed!
> >
>
> Take what you can get.
We could do vastly better.
PLMerite
Was this the same group of "nutters" that killed the other thirty or forty
kidnapped victims?
Do we count Al Jazeera (TerrorTV) as part of it because they reliably
broadcast (over and over) tapes of "nutters" killing westerners?
> I don't blame you as an individual or the whole US population when some US
> nutter takes to sniping civilians in the street, but that's effectively
what
> you're doing against the Iraqi population.
No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better yet,
nuking) the entire city of Fallujah. The US military is using
precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its own
troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
We may learn some day that this is a bad idea.
PLMerite
>
>
> >
> > Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
>
> It was very much a provoked attack.
> Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
Another leftist rooting for the enemies of western civilization.
They'd kill you if they got the chance, so why don't you save them the
trouble?
Regards, PLMerite
Kent Finnell
>
>
>> Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
>
> It was very much a provoked attack.
> Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
Provoked? By whom, Greggy? How? Details and names. There was no nearby
military target. You MIGHT have a point with the Pentagon, but again, where
was the provocation?
--
Kent Finnell, from the Music City, USA
Come shed a tear for Michael Moore-
Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore
George Bush has just won another four.
Mega-rich, sad obese Michael Moore
Gregory Procter
PLMerite wrote:
Look, if you can't even figure out who the various groups are in Iraq then you
really shouldn't be there fighting them.
>
> Do we count Al Jazeera (TerrorTV) as part of it because they reliably
> broadcast (over and over) tapes of "nutters" killing westerners?
Al Jazeera have just announced that they are going to stop broadcasting such
tapes due to the fact that they now consider that the political effects outweigh
the news value.
>
>
> > I don't blame you as an individual or the whole US population when some US
> > nutter takes to sniping civilians in the street, but that's effectively
> what
> > you're doing against the Iraqi population.
>
> No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better yet,
> nuking) the entire city of Fallujah.
You're basically doing that now. What effect do you think going house to house
and lobbing explosives in is having on the city and the remaining population?
> The US military is using
> precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its own
> troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
Don't be fucking stupid, "precision-guided weaponry" is only as accurate as the
intelligence of those guiding it. You're guiding it from remote locations
outside the city, without intelligence.
>
>
> We may learn some day that this is a bad idea.
Trust me, it's a bad idea.
Gregory Procter
PLMerite wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
> >
> > It was very much a provoked attack.
> > Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
>
> Another leftist rooting for the enemies of western civilization.
I'm not a "leftist" and they are not enemies of western civilization.
Gregory Procter
Kent Finnell wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> >> Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
> >
> > It was very much a provoked attack.
> > Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
>
> Provoked? By whom, Greggy? How? Details and names. There was no nearby
> military target. You MIGHT have a point with the Pentagon, but again, where
> was the provocation?
Check out the US's political actions in the ME over the last 60 years.
Check out the name of the WTC.
Kent Finnell
Let's go back a little further, to the early 1920s, when GB and the League
of Nations (later the UN) originally screwed the whole thing up. This was
further messed up when the Arab nations rejected the Palestinians and kept
them out of Trans-Jordan. The Palestinians have been the pawns of their
"fellow" Muslims for the past 56 years. Their object is to drive Israel
into the sea, to kill every Jew. They don't give a big rat's ass about the
Palestinians.
As to American "interference", I'm going to ask a question that I know you
will not answer honestly. Should we abandon Israel to placate the Islamic
terrorists?
> Check out the name of the WTC.
What the hell is wrong with the name of a complex of buildings, Greggy?
Which one of the 3 words do you think provoked the Islamic nutter
terrorists? The World Trade Center ... where's the provocation, Greggy?
Please pin point it.
--
The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense
Kent Finnell
From The Music City USA
Joe Halbleib
No Greg. Slaughter is an intentional act of killing. Indeed much care is
taken to limit the damage to the true enemy, and the intention is to only
kill combatants. Collateral means outside of the focus of the attack.
The US is not slaughtering people, especially innocent civilians. Accidents
do happen. I will admit this. But we are not slaughtering innocents.
You know better than that.
Joe
Gregory Procter
Kent Finnell wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D2B58...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > Kent Finnell wrote:
> >
> >> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
> >> >
> >> > It was very much a provoked attack.
> >> > Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
> >>
> >> Provoked? By whom, Greggy? How? Details and names. There was no
> >> nearby
> >> military target. You MIGHT have a point with the Pentagon, but again,
> >> where
> >> was the provocation?
> >
> > Check out the US's political actions in the ME over the last 60 years.
>
> Let's go back a little further, to the early 1920s, when GB and the League
> of Nations (later the UN) originally screwed the whole thing up.
It was screwed up by Britain and Russia long before the LN got involved and
before that by the Turks for 3 hundred years.
So, I suppose you're going to blame the Turks for Falujah?
> This was
> further messed up when the Arab nations rejected the Palestinians and kept
> them out of Trans-Jordan. The Palestinians have been the pawns of their
> "fellow" Muslims for the past 56 years. Their object is to drive Israel
> into the sea, to kill every Jew. They don't give a big rat's ass about the
> Palestinians.
What does Palestine have to do with Fallujah?
>
>
> As to American "interference", I'm going to ask a question that I know you
> will not answer honestly. Should we abandon Israel to placate the Islamic
> terrorists?
OK, dishonestly YES.
Honestly NO, but stop giving them the excess power to bully their neighbours.
They will never learn to co-operate and be peaceful while they have the
military power to lord it over their neighbours.
>
>
> > Check out the name of the WTC.
>
> What the hell is wrong with the name of a complex of buildings, Greggy?
> Which one of the 3 words do you think provoked the Islamic nutter
> terrorists? The World Trade Center ... where's the provocation, Greggy?
> Please pin point it.
You think about it - try starting with the arrogant bit and then go on to think
about the actions within that building that related to the ME.
Peter H Proctor
<stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote:
>No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better yet,
>nuking) the entire city of Fallujah. The US military is using
>precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its own
>troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
Even assuming the "800 civilians killed" in Falluja put out by
the Arab media is correct ( I put it as an upper limit), this is
still an order or two magnitude less than the Syrians killed in Hama
or the Russians in Grozny. There, they just stood off and leveled
the cities with artillary and airpower. The US deliberately
accepted casualties to keep from doing the same thing.
BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
PHP
Peter H Proctor
the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @ futile>
wrote:
>
>"Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:419C0467...@ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>
>That is not true. George Bush killed many people while Governor of
>Texas.
The governor of Texas can grant _one_ thirty-day stay of execution.
Everything else is in the hands of the board of pardons and paroles...
PHP
Gregory Procter
Joe Halbleib wrote:
It is your decision to make the attack and the attack is entirely your action.
Do you let your rogue snipers in the States off if they accidentally hit the
wrong bystander?
>
>
> The US is not slaughtering people, especially innocent civilians.
Well, the figures give lie to that statement.
> Accidents
> do happen. I will admit this. But we are not slaughtering innocents.
The figures give lie to that statement.
>
>
> You know better than that.
>
You seem ignorant of an awful lot.
Gregory Procter
Peter H Proctor wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:34:54 GMT, "PLMerite"
> <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote:
>
> >No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better yet,
> >nuking) the entire city of Fallujah. The US military is using
> >precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its own
> >troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
>
> Even assuming the "800 civilians killed" in Falluja put out by
> the Arab media is correct ( I put it as an upper limit), this is
> still an order or two magnitude less than the Syrians killed in Hama
> or the Russians in Grozny.
Aww Peter, saying you're better than the Syrians or the Russians in Grozny isn't
a defence, it's an admission of guilt.
> There, they just stood off and leveled
> the cities with artillary and airpower. The US deliberately
> accepted casualties to keep from doing the same thing.
>
> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
It's a damn sight worse for Iraq, the ME and the West.
>
>
> PHP
PLMerite
"Peter H Proctor" <d...@drproctor.com> wrote in message
news:gpfqp0tjrhkn2mivs...@4ax.com...
It's a "bad PR thing" for us, but if I have to choose between bad PR and
having these ragheads targeting the United States, I can live with France
and New Zealand not liking us. At least some Frogs got money from Saddam.
The New Zealanders are just stupid.
Regards, PLMerite
> PHP
PLMerite
>
>
>
> It is your decision to make the attack and the attack is entirely your
action.
> Do you let your rogue snipers in the States off if they accidentally hit
the
> wrong bystander?
Domestic law enforcement is judged by different standards than military
combat.
Those rules apply to the New Zealand Army, too. If New Zealand actually
*has* an army, that is.
From the New Zealand Army website
(http://www.army.mil.nz/?CHANNEL=ARMY+OVERSEAS&PAGE=Intro) :
"We're determined to continue being a world class Army carrying the Mana of
all New Zealanders. While that Mana is important when we're at home, it's
even more crucial when we deploy overseas. New Zealand Army personnel are
currently serving and have served in missions in all four corners of the
world."
Here's what the US Marine Corps website
(http://www.marines.com/about_marines/default.asp) says:
"Marines are warriors. Comprised of smart, highly adaptable men and women,
the Marine Corps serves as the aggressive tip of the U.S. military spear.
Ours is a smaller, more dynamic force than any other in the American
arsenal, and the only forward-deployed force designed for expeditionary
operations by air, land, or sea. It is our size and expertise that allow us
to move faster. Working to overcome disadvantage and turn conflict into
victory, we accomplish great things, and we do so together."
I know who I want watching out for my interests.
Regards, PLMerite
--
"If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant
war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick
him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any)... and
torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you."
Vice Admiral Sir John Fisher, Royal Navy, 1898.
Peter H Proctor
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>Peter H Proctor wrote:
>> Even assuming the "800 civilians killed" in Falluja put out by
>> the Arab media is correct ( I put it as an upper limit), this is
>> still an order or two magnitude less than the Syrians killed in Hama
>> or the Russians in Grozny.
>
>Aww Peter, saying you're better than the Syrians or the Russians in Grozny isn't
>a defence, it's an admission of guilt.
No, it is a statement that the US well understands the political
ramifications of killing civilians and trys to minimize this, even at
the cost of US casualties.
>> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
>> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
>
>It's a damn sight worse for Iraq, the ME and the West.
Maybe. Though I find fault with the action, I thnk we went
in with good "Wilsonian" intentions, expecting to be welcomed-- there
is no other explaination for why we went in with enough troops to
defeat the Iraq arm, but only half as many needed to hold it against
any kind of local opposition.
Likewise, I firmly beleive that Iraq is much better without
Saddam and his two sons. Note that these days the insurrectos seem to
be mostly Sunnis, pining for the good old days, when they ran
things. Nobody seems to be calling for a return to the status ante
quo...
Peter H Proctor
<stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter H Proctor"
>> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
>> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
>
>It's a "bad PR thing" for us, but if I have to choose between bad PR and
>having these ragheads targeting the United States, I can live with France
>and New Zealand not liking us.
It is not really clear that the path to international terrorism
ran through Irag. Admittedly, the Ass-kicking Saddam got did get a
few peoples attention concerning the US's willingness and ability to
use force. In international affairs, as in the Ghetto, there is
a certain advantage to being thought "Bad" and somewhat irrational...
PHP
Kent Finnell
you go. The building was named by the builders, not the government. What
actions related to the Middle East do you think justifies the murder of
defenseless and an unsuspecting 3,000 people? Try as you might, you cannot
justify the attack upon the WTC. You're letting your hatred of the US
overcome both your common sense and your sense of justice. You're willing
to let terrorist to literally get away with murder, which makes you as
loathsome as the murderers themselves.
Oh, and you're the one who brought Palestine and Israel into the thread by
using the all inclusive initials ME. Iraq is in the Middle East, isn't it?
The whole mess revolves around that. No, I'm not going to blame the Turks,
the Ottoman Empire, or the Romans for Iraq. I'll blame Saddam, the UN Food
for Oil program (including Kofi Annan and other corrupt officials), various
people in France, Germany, and Russia for being greedy, arrogant, and
immoral.
Now none of the "collateral damage" victims in Iraq deserved to die any more
than Saddam's victims over the years or the people in the WTC, and the 4
hijacked airplanes, and the people in the Pentagon.
The US Military is taking measures that endanger its personnel as it
attempts to limit collateral damage. Unfortunately, in all the wars there
has always been civilian casualties, especially in the 20th century. I know
you don't believe that, mainly because you don't want to since it doesn't
fit your twisted world vision.
--
Vote Freedom First!
Kent Finnell
From the Music City, USA
PLMerite
>
>
>
> Al Jazeera have just announced that they are going to stop broadcasting
such
> tapes due to the fact that they now consider that the political effects
outweigh
> the news value.
Somebody must have strongly cautioned them.
> > > I don't blame you as an individual or the whole US population when
some US
> > > nutter takes to sniping civilians in the street, but that's
effectively
> > what
> > > you're doing against the Iraqi population.
> >
> > No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better
yet,
> > nuking) the entire city of Fallujah.
>
> You're basically doing that now. What effect do you think going house to
house
> and lobbing explosives in is having on the city and the remaining
population?
If there are fighters in the house, the whole house gets cleared. Damn,
even the stupid computer games you play require that much tactical sense.
> > The US military is using
> > precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its
own
> > troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
>
> Don't be fucking stupid, "precision-guided weaponry" is only as accurate
as the
> intelligence of those guiding it. You're guiding it from remote locations
> outside the city, without intelligence.
This isn't NZ weapons we're talking about, but American-made stuff with a
CEP tighter than a gnat's chuff.
Intel consists of a building we have taken fire from, or where known
fighters are sheltering. Terminal guidance bouncing a laser off the place.
The rest - including the building - is history.
> > We may learn some day that this is a bad idea.
>
> Trust me, it's a bad idea.
Nukes it is, then! Glad you agree.
Regards, PLMerite
PLMerite
>
>
> PLMerite wrote:
>
> > "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
> > >
> > > It was very much a provoked attack.
> > > Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
> >
> > Another leftist rooting for the enemies of western civilization.
>
> I'm not a "leftist" and they are not enemies of western civilization.
I gotta hear this...what *would* you describe yourself as?
And leftists are enemies of western civilization - witness them siding with
Saddam and bin Laden.
PLMerite
Iraq was unstable. Terrorists like Zaqarwi, Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, etc.,
were able to enter and leave Iraq with or without Saddam Hussein's consent.
Either scenario was unacceptable. The combination of Saddam's WMD programs
and the presence of terrorists linked to Al Qaeda was a threat to the
security of any number of western nations (the possible exceptions being NZ
and Finland).
Leftists, as usual, are reduced to shilling for muderers, rapists and
thieves.
Regards, PLMerite
> PHP
Booger6995
OK Greg. Let's see if we can nail this down a little.
Slaughter is the intentional killing of something. If I fly a jet into
a tower (civilian target) knowing that there could be up to 50,000
innocent people in there that had done nothing to me other than not
being of my ilk (ie not muslim, not Arab, but an American) with the
intent of taking as many lives as I could and actually rejoicing in
the fact. Now that is slaughter.
Collateral damage would be like I am aiming at a tank (military
target) near an old farm house in the middle of no where with a 500 lb
bomb. Some poor guy out in the field 200 feet away that I don't even
know is there catches a peice of shrapnel and dies. I never intended
for him to get it but he is none the less dead. I feel bad about it,
do not rejoice and try in the future to be extremely careful not to
hit any other innocent bystanders. It happended but was not
intentional.
I think it all comes down to the intent behind the act. Even YOU can
see the difference between the two. If not then nothing could ever be
done to explain it to you nor would I further try.
>
> > but that's
> > expected and acceptable,
>
> It's certainly expected, just as a certain number of civilian casualties are
> expected in collateral damage when you destroy a couple of occupied towers in
> Manhatten.
> Acceptable? NO in both cases.
>
Ack
You Arabs - no sense of humour.
Ack
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
>
>>
>>>Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
>>
>>It was very much a provoked attack.
>>Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
>
>
> Provoked? By whom, Greggy? How? Details and names. There was no nearby
> military target. You MIGHT have a point with the Pentagon, but again, where
> was the provocation?
>
>
>
Found Bin Laden yet, SuperAccountant?
Gregory Procter
Peter H Proctor wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:04:34 +1300, Gregory Procter
> <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >Peter H Proctor wrote:
>
> >> Even assuming the "800 civilians killed" in Falluja put out by
> >> the Arab media is correct ( I put it as an upper limit), this is
> >> still an order or two magnitude less than the Syrians killed in Hama
> >> or the Russians in Grozny.
> >
> >Aww Peter, saying you're better than the Syrians or the Russians in Grozny isn't
> >a defence, it's an admission of guilt.
>
> No, it is a statement that the US well understands the political
> ramifications of killing civilians and trys to minimize this, even at
> the cost of US casualties.
>
What a load of bollocks.
>
> >> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
> >> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
> >
> >It's a damn sight worse for Iraq, the ME and the West.
>
> Maybe. Though I find fault with the action, I thnk we went
> in with good "Wilsonian" intentions, expecting to be welcomed-
So you agree that as a nation you are plain stupid.
> - there
> is no other explaination for why we went in with enough troops to
> defeat the Iraq arm, but only half as many needed to hold it against
> any kind of local opposition.
>
> Likewise, I firmly beleive that Iraq is much better without
> Saddam and his two sons.
As you were instrumental in installing him/them, you're actually admitting to a
horrifing mistake.
> Note that these days the insurrectos seem to
> be mostly Sunnis, pining for the good old days, when they ran
> things. Nobody seems to be calling for a return to the status ante
> quo...
That's hardly a surprise - you inflict Saddam on Iraq and then you expect them to be
grateful when you remove him. <sheesh>
Gregory Procter
Peter H Proctor wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:04:34 +1300, Gregory Procter
> <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >Peter H Proctor wrote:
>
> >> Even assuming the "800 civilians killed" in Falluja put out by
> >> the Arab media is correct ( I put it as an upper limit), this is
> >> still an order or two magnitude less than the Syrians killed in Hama
> >> or the Russians in Grozny.
> >
> >Aww Peter, saying you're better than the Syrians or the Russians in Grozny isn't
> >a defence, it's an admission of guilt.
>
> No, it is a statement that the US well understands the political
> ramifications of killing civilians and trys to minimize this, even at
> the cost of US casualties.
>
What a load of bollocks.
>
> >> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
> >> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
> >
> >It's a damn sight worse for Iraq, the ME and the West.
>
> Maybe. Though I find fault with the action, I thnk we went
> in with good "Wilsonian" intentions, expecting to be welcomed-
So you agree that as a nation you are plain stupid.
> - there
> is no other explaination for why we went in with enough troops to
> defeat the Iraq arm, but only half as many needed to hold it against
> any kind of local opposition.
>
> Likewise, I firmly beleive that Iraq is much better without
> Saddam and his two sons.
As you were instrumental in installing him/them, you're actually admitting to a
horrifing mistake.
> Note that these days the insurrectos seem to
> be mostly Sunnis, pining for the good old days, when they ran
> things. Nobody seems to be calling for a return to the status ante
> quo...
That's hardly a surprise - you inflict Saddam on Iraq and then you expect them to be
Gregory Procter
Kent Finnell wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D4216...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > Kent Finnell wrote:
> >
> >> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:419D2B58...@ihug.co.nz...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kent Finnell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Check out the name of the WTC.
> >>
> >> What the hell is wrong with the name of a complex of buildings, Greggy?
> >> Which one of the 3 words do you think provoked the Islamic nutter
> >> terrorists? The World Trade Center ... where's the provocation, Greggy?
> >> Please pin point it.
> >
> > You think about it - try starting with the arrogant bit and then go on to
> > think
> > about the actions within that building that related to the ME.
> >
> You didn't give an answer because you have none. You're making this up as
> you go. The building was named by the builders, not the government. What
> actions related to the Middle East do you think justifies the murder of
> defenseless and an unsuspecting 3,000 people?
I don't know - what justifies the murder of 130,000 defenseless innocent people
who never harmed you?
> Try as you might, you cannot
> justify the attack upon the WTC.
Of course I can - it was a symbol of anarchical US capitalism, an ideal target
for terrorists.
What rules do you think terrorists should work to?
> You're letting your hatred of the US
> overcome both your common sense and your sense of justice.
I certainly am not. You don't think I would blow up a symbol of the US's
exploitation of other nations, do you?
> You're willing
> to let terrorist to literally get away with murder, which makes you as
> loathsome as the murderers themselves.
You have been practicing terrorism for the last 50 + years - I don't condone
your's or their terrorism but I can see the justice in you getting just one
small sharp piece of your own medicine.
>
>
> Oh, and you're the one who brought Palestine and Israel into the thread by
> using the all inclusive initials ME. Iraq is in the Middle East, isn't it?
> The whole mess revolves around that. No, I'm not going to blame the Turks,
> the Ottoman Empire, or the Romans for Iraq. I'll blame Saddam,
You blame SADAM who you supported into power and who you maintained in power.
> the UN Food
> for Oil program (including Kofi Annan and other corrupt officials),
A US instigated programme.
> various
> people in France, Germany, and Russia for being greedy, arrogant, and
> immoral.
LOL - a yank claiming others are greedy, arrogant and immoral.
>
>
> Now none of the "collateral damage" victims in Iraq deserved to die any more
> than Saddam's victims over the years or the people in the WTC, and the 4
> hijacked airplanes, and the people in the Pentagon.
Right - but you had the options, both in installing and maintaining Saddam and
in slaughtering so many Iraqis since your illegal invasion.
>
>
> The US Military is taking measures that endanger its personnel as it
> attempts to limit collateral damage. Unfortunately, in all the wars there
> has always been civilian casualties, especially in the 20th century. I know
> you don't believe that, mainly because you don't want to since it doesn't
> fit your twisted world vision.
>
What a load of transparent propaganda.
Gregory Procter
PLMerite wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D2AAF...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> >
> > Al Jazeera have just announced that they are going to stop broadcasting
> such
> > tapes due to the fact that they now consider that the political effects
> outweigh
> > the news value.
>
> Somebody must have strongly cautioned them.
>
> > > > I don't blame you as an individual or the whole US population when
> some US
> > > > nutter takes to sniping civilians in the street, but that's
> effectively
> > > what
> > > > you're doing against the Iraqi population.
> > >
> > > No, blaming the "whole population" would be carpet bombing (or better
> yet,
> > > nuking) the entire city of Fallujah.
> >
> > You're basically doing that now. What effect do you think going house to
> house
> > and lobbing explosives in is having on the city and the remaining
> population?
>
> If there are fighters in the house, the whole house gets cleared.
If there are innocent civilians in the house, and 25% will contain innocent
civilians, the whole house will get cleared.
(CNN reported immediately before the attack that 75% of the civilian population
had left Fallujah)
> Damn,
> even the stupid computer games you play require that much tactical sense.
>
> > > The US military is using
> > > precision-guided weaponry and close combat tactics at the expense of its
> own
> > > troops to minimize "civilian" casualties.
> >
> > Don't be fucking stupid, "precision-guided weaponry" is only as accurate
> as the
> > intelligence of those guiding it. You're guiding it from remote locations
> > outside the city, without intelligence.
>
> This isn't NZ weapons we're talking about, but American-made stuff with a
> CEP tighter than a gnat's chuff.
You have to know where to aim.
>
>
> Intel consists of a building we have taken fire from, or where known
> fighters are sheltering. Terminal guidance bouncing a laser off the place.
> The rest - including the building - is history.
There is no insurance on those buildings - a family or more is homeless,
businessless and destitute - not a smart move.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com...
>> >> >> > Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
>> >> >> > here, if anyone?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not the Arab media. Never trust the enemy.
>> >> >
>> >> > YOU are the enemy.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> YOU are the enemy!
>> >
>> > Not really, we haven't invaded anyone nor killed anyone in ages.
>> >
>>
>> Doesn't stop you from being the enemy.
>
> someone else making you the enemy.
>
> We are not making ourselves the enemy and nor are we being made enemies
> of.
> You are making yourself the enemy by way of meddling in other nations
> affairs
> and by way of invading other nations. I don't see anyone starting the
> process
> against you.
Let's go back to the WTC in 1993, Kuwait and a refusal to adhere to over 18
resolutions, the USS Cole, Somalia, Kabar Towers, and of course 9/11/01.
These acts that after awhile tend to aggravate us.
You still fail to see the process?
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
If you drift off the highway, you steer back on. Sadam was a bad driver and
had to be replaced. The Iraqi people are better for it and grateful for a
job well done. Now parents don't have to worry about their daughter being
ushered into Uday and Qusay's rape rooms or their sons being tortured for
entertainment.
It's a grand thing and you should learn to appreciate it.
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
I did. I find nothing to provoke terrorists attack against American
civilians.
What else do you have?
N. Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Payne N. Diaz
Slaughter of innocent civilians is what Sadam did, during "peace" time.
Ack
So the slaughtering of innocent civilians in wartime by the americans is
alright then?
And they wonder why people spit at them in the streets when they travel...
Ack
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D2B58...@ihug.co.nz...
>
>>
>>Kent Finnell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
>>>>
>>>>It was very much a provoked attack.
>>>>Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
>>>
>>>Provoked? By whom, Greggy? How? Details and names. There was no
>>>nearby
>>>military target. You MIGHT have a point with the Pentagon, but again,
>>>where
>>>was the provocation?
>>
>>Check out the US's political actions in the ME over the last 60 years.
>>Check out the name of the WTC.
>>
>
>
> I did. I find nothing to provoke terrorists attack against American
> civilians.
> What else do you have?
>
>
Facts.
Kent Finnell
news:1100845847.JHC5CJ/Rd78EBr7CvDZNag@teranews...
Have you found your ass yet, SuperCoward? You've had since 9/11/01, you've
been allowed the use of both hands. Any luck so far?
bin Laden has been hampered in his activities by other accountants in the
use of his financial assets. Notice that thus far he hasn't made another
strike in the US. He may make videos, but then anyone with a video cam can
do that.
--
I am the NRA and I vote!
gruntled gnu direct
<8jond.34238$z3.3...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>...
>Have you found your ass yet, SuperCoward? You've had since 9/11/01,
you've
>been allowed the use of both hands. Any luck so far?
>
>bin Laden has been hampered in his activities by other accountants in the
>use of his financial assets. Notice that thus far he hasn't made another
>strike in the US. He may make videos, but then anyone with a video cam
can
>do that.
The Islamofuckers rely on bin Laden as much as the neocon-repugs rely on
Bush. In reality they're little more than convenient figureheads.
You see, it's important for compliant gullible right-wing yanktrash to be
kept in a perpetual state of terror by Boogieman of the Year. Currently
that's Big Bad Bin Laden. BFD.
Michael Ejercito
> "Michael Ejercito" <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6930a3c6.04111...@posting.google.com...
> > xeto...@yahoo.com (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend) wrote in
> message news:<780ea958.04111...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Not the picture our "media" is painting. Who's telling the truth
> > > here, if anyone?
> > >
> 9-11.
> >
>
> I am American born and bred. My family started the US military with
> George Washington.
>
How much did they charge for spreading their legs?
Michael
of the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @futile ColoNel Polyps
Sorry Everybody
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/
I'm still trying to get this goddamned microchip out of my back that
Richard Nixon, George Bush and George Bush stuck there when they
kidnapped, drugged and interogated me in 1982.
of the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @futile ColoNel Polyps
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:52:32 -0500, "ColoNel Polyps" <Extermination of
> the christian jew cop government is inevitable. Resistance @ futile>
> >>
> >>
> >That is not true. George Bush killed many people while Governor of
> >Texas.
>
> The governor of Texas can grant _one_ thirty-day stay of execution.
> Everything else is in the hands of the board of pardons and paroles...
The Governor of Illinios had found out that the State of Illinios has
been torturing children for a long time. The handcuffed nad beat me
repeatedly for reporting crimes and for stnding on a street. No criminal
charges filed.
Under his investigation they had found out that the police are more
corrupt than the criminals they had arrested. Governor Ryan closed down
death row with due process.
Joe Halbleib
> > >
> > >
> > > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > > > news:419C0467...@ihug.co.nz...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Payne N. Diaz" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
is
> > taken to limit the damage to the true enemy, and the intention is to
only
> > kill combatants. Collateral means outside of the focus of the attack.
>
action.
> Do you let your rogue snipers in the States off if they accidentally hit
the
> wrong bystander?
>
> >
> >
>
>
> > Accidents
> > do happen. I will admit this. But we are not slaughtering innocents.
>
>
> >
> >
> > You know better than that.
> >
>
Alas Greg, I have been reading your posts for a long time now. You have a
grudge against the US that goes way back to pre-WWII. Your world view and
particularly your view of the US is colored by this view.
I'm sorry that you despise us so much. But I don't know how to make it up
to you.
Joe
Larry J.
wrote:
> Alas Greg, I have been reading your posts for a long time now. You
> have a grudge against the US that goes way back to pre-WWII. Your
> world view and particularly your view of the US is colored by this
> view.
>
> I'm sorry that you despise us so much. But I don't know how to make
> it up to you.
He's irrational. He's smashed up, living in a wheelchair, and for some
reason his dick is stiff for the USA.
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"Lord, are we worthy of the task that lies before us,
or are we just jerking off..?"
Ack
Answer yes or no, SuperAccountant:
Found Bin Laden yet? Or is the question too complex for your
undereducated little mind, you sad little man.
Ack
George Orwell appears to have written their Cunstitution.
Peter H Proctor
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>Peter H Proctor wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:04:34 +1300, Gregory Procter
>> <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> No, it is a statement that the US well understands the political
>> ramifications of killing civilians and trys to minimize this, even at
>> the cost of US casualties.
>What a load of bollocks.
The thing speaks for itself. Few people understand what
heavy ordnance delivered from altitude can do, tho the Taliban had a
taste of it.
The US obviously has the firepower to level (say) Falluja or
most any other place for that matter. Why didn't we just use it? A
couple of squadrons of B52's carpet bombing or a dozen daisey cutters
would have saved 50+ American lives. And shown we mean business....
>> Maybe. Though I find fault with the action, I thnk we went
>> in with good "Wilsonian" intentions, expecting to be welcomed-
>
>So you agree that as a nation you are plain stupid.
I prefer "well-meaning but misguided" myself...
>> Likewise, I firmly beleive that Iraq is much better without
>> Saddam and his two sons.
>
>As you were instrumental in installing him/them, you're actually admitting to a
>horrifing mistake.
Saddam, etc. were home-grown, a product of the middle-eastern
tendency for the biggest and most ruthless psychopath to take control.
If anybody supported him, it was the rooshins, not us.
>> Note that these days the insurrectos seem to
>> be mostly Sunnis, pining for the good old days, when they ran
>> things. Nobody seems to be calling for a return to the status ante
>> quo...
>
>That's hardly a surprise - you inflict Saddam on Iraq and then you expect them to be
>grateful when you remove him. <sheesh>
It is true that we likely gave Saddam some intelligence input
during the Iran-Iraq war, but that was the extent of it. All his
weapons systems were Rooshin, with some French stuff for flavor.
BTW, I recall the sinking/major destruction of a US destroyer by the
Iraqi airforce during that war. Likely, the attack was
deliberate...
PHP
>
Peter H Proctor
Di...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
>If you drift off the highway, you steer back on. Sadam was a bad driver and
>had to be replaced. The Iraqi people are better for it and grateful for a
>job well done. Now parents don't have to worry about their daughter being
>ushered into Uday and Qusay's rape rooms or their sons being tortured for
>entertainment.
>It's a grand thing and you should learn to appreciate it.
A modest suggestion: Now that he has been suitably chastized,
I say we put Saddam back in power. He's tanned, rested, and ready
to go. He knew how to run the place. Serve 'm right..
PHP
>
Kent Finnell
I never said that I personally would find bin Laden, bACKassward. He's
currently making vain claims on videos distributed by Terrorist R Us. He's
cleaned up fairly well. Has he asked you for a date yet? All the goats in
the neighborhood head for the high ground when he approaches so he desperate
enough to ask you by now.
--
Kent Finnell, from the Music City, USA
Come shed a tear for Michael Moore-
Though he smirked and lied like a two-bit whore
George Bush has just won another four.
Mega-rich, sad obese Michael Moore
Peter H Proctor
<stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter H Proctor"
>> It is not really clear that the path to international terrorism
>> ran through Irag. Admittedly, the Ass-kicking Saddam got did get a
>> few peoples attention concerning the US's willingness and ability to
>> use force. In international affairs, as in the Ghetto, there is
>> a certain advantage to being thought "Bad" and somewhat irrational...
>
>Iraq was unstable. Terrorists like Zaqarwi, Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, etc.,
>were able to enter and leave Iraq with or without Saddam Hussein's consent.
Actually Saddam pretty much know where they were at all times,
at least in the areas he controlled. The Iraqi security forces were
pretty good. Likewise, Saddam did arrange for Abu Nidal to be
killed when he got to be too much of an embarrassment. So the man
was not all bad<G>
>Either scenario was unacceptable. The combination of Saddam's WMD programs
>and the presence of terrorists linked to Al Qaeda was a threat to the
>security of any number of western nations (the possible exceptions being NZ
>and Finland).
He sure had me convinced about the WMD's. I suspect that
Saddam himself beleived he had some. The Baathist aren't all bad.
The Hama slaughter was because the Moslem Brotherhood had taken over
the city.
PHP
Peter H Proctor
<pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>You blame SADAM who you supported into power and who you maintained in power.
You keep making this claim. Give us some eamples. About all we
ever did for Saddam is a little intelligence during the Iran-Iraq war
on the basis of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Essentially
all Saddams military equipment was Russian with a few French aircraft.
PHP
Ack
Answer in one word then crawl back under your rock, there's a good
little chap.
Gregory Procter
PLMerite wrote:
> "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:419D2AF1...@ihug.co.nz...
> >
> >
> > PLMerite wrote:
> >
> > > "Gregory Procter" <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > > news:419D22D2...@ihug.co.nz...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. WTC was an unprovoked attack against a civilian target.
> > > >
> > > > It was very much a provoked attack.
> > > > Civilian target? Nahh, just collateral damage.
> > >
> > > Another leftist rooting for the enemies of western civilization.
> >
> > I'm not a "leftist" and they are not enemies of western civilization.
>
> I gotta hear this...what *would* you describe yourself as?
>
Middle of the road, self employed entrepreneur.
>
> And leftists are enemies of western civilization - witness them siding with
> Saddam and bin Laden.
No, I have failed to notice that - I have looked for any evidence but have seen
none.
The only people siding with Saddam Hussein were the yanks.
>
>
> > >
> > > They'd kill you if they got the chance, so why don't you save them the
> > > trouble?
> > >
> > > Regards, PLMerite
> >
Gregory Procter
PLMerite wrote:
> "Peter H Proctor" <d...@drproctor.com> wrote in message
> news:h6nqp0pfl22l4qcsi...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:33:04 GMT, "PLMerite"
> > <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Peter H Proctor"
> >
> > >> BTW, I am not trying to defend our Iraq invasion, which
> > >> events have proven to be a "bad thing" for the US.
> > >
> > >It's a "bad PR thing" for us, but if I have to choose between bad PR and
> > >having these ragheads targeting the United States, I can live with France
> > >and New Zealand not liking us.
> >
> > It is not really clear that the path to international terrorism
> > ran through Irag. Admittedly, the Ass-kicking Saddam got did get a
> > few peoples attention concerning the US's willingness and ability to
> > use force. In international affairs, as in the Ghetto, there is
> > a certain advantage to being thought "Bad" and somewhat irrational...
>
> Iraq was unstable.
Iraq is a damn sight more unstable right now!
> Terrorists like Zaqarwi, Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, etc.,
> were able to enter and leave Iraq with or without Saddam Hussein's consent.
Have you ever considered distinguishing between "terrorists" and "freedom
fighters"?
>
> Either scenario was unacceptable.
Why?
> The combination of Saddam's WMD programs
There weren't any in 2003.
>
> and the presence of terrorists linked to Al Qaeda
Stop being silly!
> was a threat to the
> security of any number of western nations (the possible exceptions being NZ
> and Finland).
>
> Leftists, as usual, are reduced to shilling for muderers, rapists and
> thieves.
>
Allowing for the moment that you may be including me amongst "Leftists"
<sheesh>, I have _never_ supported the yank murderers, rapists and thieves, nor
their profiteers.
Regards,
Greg.P.