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*us*

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:42:12 AM4/18/12
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It's not easy for an innocent kid on foot to get away
from a violent aggressor with a car and a gun.

de...@dudu.org

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:45:06 AM4/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:42:12 -0400, * US * wrote:

>It's not easy for an innocent kid on foot to get away
>from a violent aggressor with a car and a gun.

a violent racist aggressor

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:54:24 AM4/18/12
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>de...@dudu.org wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Like you.

Are you afraid of the competition?

*us*

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Apr 18, 2012, 2:12:10 PM4/18/12
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Indeed.

Wayne

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:11:24 PM4/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:42:12 -0400, * US * wrote:
> It's not easy for an innocent kid on foot to get away
> from a violent aggressor with a car and a gun.

Fortunately for him, he was no longer being watched. Unfortunately
for him, he decided to "get that Honky", and the Honky had a gun.

JohnJohnsn

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:44:43 PM4/18/12
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On Apr 18, 8:42 am, An Unbelievably Stupid (`US') anonymous race-
baiting Liberal troll going by the nym of *US* <Amer...@USA.now>
spewed forth into the Ether of Usenet the following:
>
> Martin almost made it home.
>
How can you say that, numbnuts; seeing as how Trayvon Benjamin Martin
lived in Miami Gardens; a full 235 miles away from The Retreat at Twin
Lakes in Sanford?
>
> It's not easy for an innocent kid on foot to get away
> from a violent aggressor with a car and a gun.
>
First: It's coming out that Trayvon Benjamin Martin was the "violent
aggressor" who confronted George Zimmerman face-to-face; then
physically attacked Zimmerman, leading to Martin's self-imposed
"Darwinian Solution;"

Second: It has been established that the reason he was with his dad,
Taylor Martin, at his dad's girlfriend's townhome there in Sanford was
that Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton; who had divorced Taylor Martin
more than a decade earlier; had "exiled" Trayvon to his dad's custody
due to Trayvon's THIRD suspension (this time; ten-days) from school:
this instance for possession of "suspected burglar tools," suspicion
of possession of stolen woman's jewelry, and possession of a baggy
containing the residue of marijuana: so his "innocence" is a matter of
conjecture;

Third: the "car" (a truck, actually) didn't come into play, as
Zimmerman had parked it when he first observed Martin advancing
towards his location; and it remained parked throughout the entire
incident;

Finally; the 9mm Keltec handgun didn't enter the incident until after
Martin initiated his deadly assault on Zimmerman; wherein Zimmerman
finally drew his sidearm and effected his self-defense.

Now, numbnuts: prove all the above to be untrue.

"Guilty until proven innocent:" the Liberals' mantra WRT George
Zimmerman.

"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin
to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals are so stupid it is easy work."
— Steven M. Barry

*us*

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Apr 19, 2012, 9:30:12 AM4/19/12
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It's not easy for an innocent kid on foot to get away
from a violent aggressor with a car and a gun.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:44:43 -0700 (PDT), Slop Plop JohnJohnsn <TopCo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>... Unbelievably Stupid...anonymous race-
>baiting ... numbnuts...

You do have problems. You're too stupid to understand
that Martin was residing nearby as a guest. You certainly
have a truly uncivilized approach to hospitality.

>First: It's coming out

Try to avoid your keyboard with that.

>... the "violent
>aggressor"

An unarmed pedestrian teenager can't really
threaten an older man with a car and a gun.

Are you convinced that in the same situation
you would have the same problems?

It's not as if you don't have analogous issues.

>who confronted ...

Zimmerman confronted his victim Martin as
Martin was unable to escape his murderer.

>...physically attacked ...

You'd hit yourself with your own gun on recoil,
fall flat on your back, and call it an attack, though.

>...Trayvon's THIRD suspension ...

How about Zimmerman's numerous assaults?

How about Zimmerman's history of intimidating
innocent people in the neighborhood?

>Third: the "car" (a truck, actually)...

Zimmerman had no valid reason to depart it.

>Finally; the 9mm Keltec handgun didn't enter the incident until after

Zimmerman picked it up to try to compensate
for his numerous and serious personal deficiencies.

You can't control yourself well enough to detach
your own numerous and serious personal deficiencies
and acknowledge that to stalk, intimidate, harass, and
shoot an innocent kid is not appropriate behavior.

>Now, numbnuts ...

You do have problems.

>"Guilty until proven innocent:" the ...

That's the error Zimmerman made as judge, jury, and
executioner of his innocent young victim.

>... clubbing baby seals...so stupid ...

You do have problems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-florida

*us*

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Apr 19, 2012, 9:30:12 AM4/19/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:11:24 -0700, Whyne <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Fortunately

The murder of an innocent youth doesn't represent good luck.

>... he was no longer being watched...

You hold unfounded beliefs.

>... he decided to ...

Martin had the right to defend himself, if not the means.

JohnJohnsn

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Apr 19, 2012, 10:11:21 AM4/19/12
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On Apr 19, 8:30 am, An Unbelievably Stupid (`US') anonymous race-
baiting Liberal troll going by the nym of *US* <Amer...@USA.now>
spewed forth into the Ether of Usenet the following:
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-florida
>
guardian.co.uk, Friday 30 March 2012 16.52 EDT

"In the last 48 hours, new evidence has emerged that casts serious
doubt on George Zimmerman's version of events, leaked to the press by
police. Here are the key claims from Zimmerman, according to police
leaks, and the discrepancies with the evidence."

Unbelievably Stupid stupidly goes back almost three weeks in a stupid
effort to justify his stupid crap.

All three of your "three ways" have either been debunked (no injuries)
or are still in contention (audio and DeeDee's "beliefs").

You Liberals: just gotta lie like a Persian rug in order to advance
your agendas.

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 10:52:55 AM4/19/12
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Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:

> [bullshit snipped]

Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
for it.

Sid9

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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
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The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
That one?

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 11:34:57 AM4/19/12
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The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 11:44:32 AM4/19/12
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So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
girlfriends also whores?

Get back to us on that.

And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
And why you spend so much time hidden in that little room..you just
can't get along in society.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 11:45:59 AM4/19/12
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The one in jail because it appears to professional law enforcement
that he violated the law? That one?

clairbear

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Apr 19, 2012, 11:59:47 AM4/19/12
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Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4oc0p7po4svjjdmtl...@4ax.com:
Appears being the active word here. Let them try him and if all of the
truth comes out in court. Hopefully, the jury deliver a just verdict. The
shame of it a young man is dead because at least one of two of them got
stupid.

Wayne

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:23:39 PM4/19/12
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"* US *" (short for UranuS) wrote, while consuming large quantities of
drugs, in message news:qj30p71dp80g7rot6...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:11:24 -0700, Whyne <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:

>>Fortunately

>The murder of an innocent youth doesn't represent good luck.

>>... he was no longer being watched...

>You hold unfounded beliefs.

I admit that I made that shit up.

However, MY unfounded beliefs are JUST AS VALID as YOUR UNFOUNDED BELIEFS.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:26:32 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:59:47 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:
Agreed. But at 17 stupid is expected. At 25 it's not.

Sid9

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:31:20 PM4/19/12
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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
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It would have been a fairer fight if Martin was also an NRA member and was
armed.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:31:41 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
How old are you again?

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:46:02 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>
>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>
>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>
>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>> for it.
>>
> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
> girlfriends also whores?

Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.


> Get back to us on that.
>
> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.

I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.

clairbear

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:47:21 PM4/19/12
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Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:05f0p7h6ife5sa86q...@4ax.com:
Age and doing something stupid have little corelation, but maybe
Zimmerman should have known better,MAYBE. You see it everyday on the
roads someone gets stupid someone dies. It happens with firearms, drugs
and just about anything else that can cause injury or death, age has
nothing to do with who gets stupid. We've all had our stupid moments,
fortunately most of us live and learn

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:48:45 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>
>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>
>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>> for it.
>>>
>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>> girlfriends also whores?
>
>Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>
And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
community?
>
>> Get back to us on that.
>>
>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>
>I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>
Who says it's supposed to be done that way?

clairbear

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"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:jmpekq$plf$1...@dont-email.me:
So now you are becoming a gun advocate in you old age? Yeah, let's give
everyone a concealed weapon. Then, sid will be happy.

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:53:59 PM4/19/12
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He's in jail charged with second degree murder - a charge on which he
will not be convicted - because of events that happened *after* he
lawfully and quite reasonably decided to follow - not "stalk" <scoff> -
the kid and keep an eye on him. The kid provoked his own death by
attacking Zimmerman.

Make no mistake: Zimmerman is in jail in large part because he is The
Great White Defendant. The Marxist puke Rahm Emmanuel notoriously said
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." By analogy, the
governor and attorney general of Florida cannot afford *not* to make hay
with a Great White Defendant. Never mind that the governor and AG are
both white and are both Republicans; they are buying a huge amount of
political capital at the small price of George Zimmerman's future. A
Great White Defendant is simply too good an opportunity to be wasted.

Lookout

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:51:21 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:
And the police will be targets

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:56:26 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:47:21 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
But we do more stupid things when we're young. Martin didn't have a
chance to learn because Zimmerman got stupid.

Robert Recton

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On 4/19/2012 9:31 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
> news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>
>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>>> dead for it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>> That one?
>>
>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
>> in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>
> It would have been a fairer fight if Martin was also an NRA member and
> was armed.

There was no need for a fight at all if Martin, rather than getting
belligerent and aggressive, had simply explained that he was returning
to his father's regular sex partner's house after a quick trip to the
convenience store.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:57:50 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>
>>On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>
>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>
>>Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>>black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>
>And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
>community?

Um, when you pass judgment on entire communities it's OK, because you
have the required "moral values?"

Here are some of your "moral values"....

____________
Every year we read about people starving in sub-Saharan Africa. And
each year the US and other industrialized nations spend billions of
dollars sending food and water to these make shift refuge camps where
tens of thousands die.

Why? STOP SENDING FOOD AND WATER. Only a fucking idiots lives where
there is no food and water. LET THE IDIOTS DIE. Problem solved.


-Lookout, the Progressive Humanitarian
Message-ID: <ol1b37h89cg0b17mc...@4ax.com>

Now we just need to do one of two things:
Find a way to make dumb kids smarter or
Eliminate them You know..
Clean the gene pool
It's for the good of humanity.
-Lookout
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012
Message-ID: <4oa3i7hec91a5veos...@4ax.com>

"The idea is unbearable to me that the best, the flower of our youth
must lose its life at the front in order that feebleminded and
irresponsible asocial elements can have a secure existence in the
asylum".
-Dr. Hermann Pfannmüller, 1939

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:58:09 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 9:48 AM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>
>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>
>> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>> black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>
> And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
> community?

The social pathology of the biggest part of the urban black community
invites that judgment.


>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>
>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>
>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>
> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?

Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way. Only vapid moral
relativists - that is, morally bankrupt people - try to rationalize that
it is acceptable to bear children out of wedlock.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:58:53 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Cite anywhere that has happened.

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:59:41 PM4/19/12
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Martin had had more than enough opportunity to learn, based on his
multiple prior suspensions from school. Martin apparently had a serious
learning disability, as he continued to get kicked out of school for
stupid stuff.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 12:59:45 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>But we do more stupid things when we're young

You must be at the apex of your youth, then.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 1:04:23 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:53:59 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 8:45 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:34:57 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Recton"<rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>>>> dead for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>> That one?
>>>
>>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>> following - not "stalking"<scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
>>> in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>>>
>> The one in jail because it appears to professional law enforcement
>> that he violated the law? That one?
>
>He's in jail charged with second degree murder - a charge on which he
>will not be convicted - because of events that happened *after* he
>lawfully and quite reasonably decided to follow - not "stalk" <scoff> -
>the kid and keep an eye on him. The kid provoked his own death by
>attacking Zimmerman.
>
We'll see about the conviction. There is still much to be discovered.

What if there are NO injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head? What
does that do to his credibility on other statements he made? What if
there are no signs of a struggle on Martin's body? That would also
show Zimmerman was less than truthful.

And now that I know that Zimmerman WAS the appointed captain of the
neighborhood watch I have stopped using the word "stalk". The word
would have been appropriate if he wasn't part of the neighborhood
watch.

HOWEVER...he is NOT supposed to carry a weapon. He will get in trouble
for that. And he's NOT supposed to get involved .. those are the rules
of EVERY neighborhood watch group. And as a captain he should know
that better than anyone else.

>Make no mistake: Zimmerman is in jail in large part because he is The
>Great White Defendant. The Marxist puke Rahm Emmanuel notoriously said
>"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." By analogy, the
>governor and attorney general of Florida cannot afford *not* to make hay
>with a Great White Defendant. Never mind that the governor and AG are
>both white and are both Republicans; they are buying a huge amount of
>political capital at the small price of George Zimmerman's future. A
>Great White Defendant is simply too good an opportunity to be wasted.
>

And you're last paragraph is nothing but whining. Stop it..you're
better than that.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 1:05:10 PM4/19/12
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AHHAHAH
Grow the fuck up.

Mark Clarke

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"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
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^^<<<<
2, IN DOG YEARS!

Lookout

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:58:09 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 9:48 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>>
>>> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>>> black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>>
>> And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
>> community?
>
>The social pathology of the biggest part of the urban black community
>invites that judgment.
>
Not from a layman.
>
>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>
>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>
>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>
>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>
>Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.

No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.

> Only vapid moral relativists

Now explain that term to us

>- that is, morally bankrupt people

Who sets the standards for morals?

- try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
wedlock.
>
What about a gay couple?

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 1:08:28 PM4/19/12
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That has nothing to do with a learning disability you knucklehead.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Who sets the standards for morals?
>
>- try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>wedlock.
>>
>What about a gay couple?

Oh my.

Who is going to explain how this works to Lookout?

Robert Recton

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Apr 19, 2012, 1:23:11 PM4/19/12
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He won't be convicted of second degree murder - bet on it. One of four
things is going to happen:

* at an evidentiary hearing, the judge will determine that he acted
reasonably in self defense, and the charge will be dismissed

* he'll plead guilty to a lesser charge, e.g. manslaughter

* he'll be tried for second degree murder, but the jury will only
convict him of manslaughter

* the jury will acquit him

Bet on it.


> What if there are NO injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head? What
> does that do to his credibility on other statements he made? What if
> there are no signs of a struggle on Martin's body? That would also
> show Zimmerman was less than truthful.

What if, what if, what if...yet the evidence currently available to the
public, in the form of the enhanced police surveillance video at the cop
house, appears to show an injury to the back of his head. The police
report explicitly states that Sanford Fire Department paramedics
administered first aid to Zimmerman in the back of the patrol car.
There will be EMT reports introduced at trial.

You, being a racist far-left extremist bigot with an ideological *need*
to see Zimmerman as a bigoted aggressor, are simply seeing what you wish
to see - what fits with your bigoted racist extremist ideology.

>
> And now that I know that Zimmerman WAS the appointed captain of the
> neighborhood watch

And you claim to know that for what reason?


> I have stopped using the word "stalk". The word
> would have been appropriate if he wasn't part of the neighborhood
> watch.

No, it would not have been appropriate in any usage. He was following
and watching Martin, not "stalking" him. The use of "stalk" by you
left-wing extremists is a dead giveaway of your motive.


>
> HOWEVER...he is NOT supposed to carry a weapon. He will get in trouble
> for that.

Officially chartered Neighborhood Watch groups instruct the members not
to carry weapons. It is not clear there ever was such a group at
neighborhood. In any case, Zimmerman had a permit to carry the gun.


> And he's NOT supposed to get involved .. those are the rules
> of EVERY neighborhood watch group. And as a captain he should know
> that better than anyone else.

It is not established that Zimmerman started the confrontation. He says
Martin started it. You have no evidence to the contrary.


>> Make no mistake: Zimmerman is in jail in large part because he is The
>> Great White Defendant. The Marxist puke Rahm Emmanuel notoriously said
>> "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." By analogy, the
>> governor and attorney general of Florida cannot afford *not* to make hay
>> with a Great White Defendant. Never mind that the governor and AG are
>> both white and are both Republicans; they are buying a huge amount of
>> political capital at the small price of George Zimmerman's future. A
>> Great White Defendant is simply too good an opportunity to be wasted.
>>
>
> And you're last paragraph is nothing but whining. Stop it..you're
> better than that.

Zimmerman's role as The Great White Defendant cannot be rationally disputed.

Robert Recton

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You didn't refute anything with that snide, juvenile comment. You
merely confirmed your immaturity.

Mark Clarke

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"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
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^^^

Part "P" goes into Part "V."

Part "P" can't go into part "A" and expect a "C" (a Child) to come out.
Well, unless yer name is Lookout.

Robert Recton

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And everyone knows that it's wrong, but because the leftists have
destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.

Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
*FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.


>> Only vapid moral relativists
>
> Now explain that term to us

Is English not your native language? Pity.


>
>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>
> Who sets the standards for morals?

It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.


>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>> wedlock.
>>
> What about a gay couple?

Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.

Robert Recton

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Of course it does. Normal children with no disability would have
learned how not to run afoul of school rules resulting in suspension.
The fact that young Martin was repeatedly suspended showed some kind of
mental disability.

Mark Clarke

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"Lookout" wrote in message
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< ^^^!!

Lookout, the " layman", thinks that as a Man, you are supposed to NOT get
married anymore, but just impregnate woman and have children and NOT be
responsible for anything.
After all, Lookout claims to be married, and has children, but still posts
pictures of that PIG of a thing he fucked, so that his CHILDREN can see him
ejaculating on the face of their MOTHER for all to see!

THAT, according to Lookout, is "The New Norm!"

Mark Clarke

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"Lookout" wrote in message
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^<<<<^

The police are armed AND their cars have already been targeted, you retard!

Lookout

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No, everyone doesn't know that. It's easy to tell you've never
attended college. Your debating skills suck.

>but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>
Who's moral standards are you talking about?
>
>Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>*FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>
This is true in today's society. However that is changing.
>
>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>
>> Now explain that term to us
>
>Is English not your native language? Pity.
>
So you can't. Just as I expected.
>
>>
>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>
>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>
>It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>
WHO sets the moral standards. Just answer the question.
And no, "people" don't know what they are. That's an asinine comment.
That means that ALL people have the same conclusion on morals and
EVERYONE knows that's not true.
>
>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>> wedlock.
>>>
>> What about a gay couple?
>
>Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>
"queers"?
AAHHAHAHAHAHH

You're a scared little white ass pussy christian.
AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHH
Yes, YOUR version of America is long gone. And you'll drive yourself
nuts watching it go.

SaPeIsMa

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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>
>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>
>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>> dead for it.
>>>
>>
>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>> That one?
>
> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live in
> the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several burglaries
> had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.

Don't you just love how they fixate on the fact that Zimmerman was armed. AS
IF, Zimmerman SPECIFICALLY armed himself to go "stalking".

Methinks these poor idiots have an Elmer Fudd fixation from watching too
many Bugs Bunny cartoons.


Mark Clarke

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"Lookout" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:59:47 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:4oc0p7po4svjjdmtl...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:34:57 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>>>> dead for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>> That one?
>>>
>>>The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>>following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
>>>in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>>>burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>>>
>> The one in jail because it appears to professional law enforcement
>> that he violated the law? That one?
>>
>
>Appears being the active word here. Let them try him and if all of the
>truth comes out in court. Hopefully, the jury deliver a just verdict. The
>shame of it a young man is dead because at least one of two of them got
>stupid.
>
Agreed. But at 17 stupid is expected. At 25 it's not.

< ^^^^

Lookout now admits that Martin was stupid!

Will Lookout NOW invite and "Confront" Ted Nugent at his local Hooters for a
double dog dare-ya show down?

What the fuck IS it anyway, with Lookout's "Hooter's" fascination?

The food is the industries worst, and NONE of the women will even SMILE at
that retard, let alone accept his checks or credit cards!


Lookout

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Then prove it.

> Normal children with no disability would have learned how not to run afoul of school rules resulting in suspension.

What is a "normal" child? Please, in detail

>The fact that young Martin was repeatedly suspended showed some kind of mental disability.

There is not ONE mental health worker that would agree with you. Nor
would an school administrator agree with you. That is YOUR definition
and YOUR definition alone.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 2:05:42 PM4/19/12
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Not admissible in court.

>The police report explicitly states that Sanford Fire Department paramedics
>administered first aid to Zimmerman in the back of the patrol car.
>There will be EMT reports introduced at trial.
>
And then we'll know if there is any injury to the back of his head.
Not until then.

>You, being a racist far-left extremist bigot with an ideological *need*
>to see Zimmerman as a bigoted aggressor, are simply seeing what you wish
>to see - what fits with your bigoted racist extremist ideology.
>
No, you believe that crap you've been told on TV, radio and web sites.
I'm waiting for FACTS.
>>
>> And now that I know that Zimmerman WAS the appointed captain of the
>> neighborhood watch
>
>And you claim to know that for what reason?
>
I posted the fucking links you ignorant twit!
>
>> I have stopped using the word "stalk". The word
>> would have been appropriate if he wasn't part of the neighborhood
>> watch.
>
>No, it would not have been appropriate in any usage.

Yes, it would have.

>> HOWEVER...he is NOT supposed to carry a weapon. He will get in
trouble
>> for that.
>
>Officially chartered Neighborhood Watch groups instruct the members not
>to carry weapons. It is not clear there ever was such a group at
>neighborhood.

Oh yes there is, dumbass. See? You don't READ a damn thing. That's way
you're so fucking ignorant. READ the newspapers and magazines and
you'd KNOW so much more. You don't know shit..all you know is SOMEONE
else's opinion.

> In any case, Zimmerman had a permit to carry the gun.
>
>
>> And he's NOT supposed to get involved .. those are the rules
>> of EVERY neighborhood watch group. And as a captain he should know
>> that better than anyone else.
>
>It is not established that Zimmerman started the confrontation. He says
>Martin started it. You have no evidence to the contrary.
>
He started it by getting out of his car
>
>>> Make no mistake: Zimmerman is in jail in large part because he is The
>>> Great White Defendant. The Marxist puke Rahm Emmanuel notoriously said
>>> "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." By analogy, the
>>> governor and attorney general of Florida cannot afford *not* to make hay
>>> with a Great White Defendant. Never mind that the governor and AG are
>>> both white and are both Republicans; they are buying a huge amount of
>>> political capital at the small price of George Zimmerman's future. A
>>> Great White Defendant is simply too good an opportunity to be wasted.
>>>
>>
>> And you're last paragraph is nothing but whining. Stop it..you're
>> better than that.
>
>Zimmerman's role as The Great White Defendant cannot be rationally disputed.
>
You are the only who thinks so.

SaPeIsMa

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"clairbear" <clai...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA03A82C55...@216.196.97.142...
> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:jmpekq$plf$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>> news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
>>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then
>>>>> he foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound
>>>>> up dead for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>> That one?
>>>
>>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't
>>> live in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>>
>> It would have been a fairer fight if Martin was also an NRA member and
>> was armed.
>>
>>
> So now you are becoming a gun advocate in you old age? Yeah, let's give
> everyone a concealed weapon. Then, sid will be happy.

I love this notion that fights should be "fair"
I would NEVER get into a "fair" fight.
If I'm going to get into ANY fight, I will do everything I can to make is as
UNfair as possible in my advantage
Anything else is just plain stupid.


Robert Recton

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On 4/19/2012 10:58 AM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:35:27 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2012 10:07 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:58:09 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2012 9:48 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>>>>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>>>>>> black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
>>>>> community?
>>>>
>>>> The social pathology of the biggest part of the urban black community
>>>> invites that judgment.
>>>>
>>> Not from a layman.

From any informed observer, such as me.


>>>>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>>>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>>>>
>>>> Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.
>>>
>>> No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
>>> couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.
>>
>> And everyone knows that it's wrong,
>
> No, everyone doesn't know that.

Everyone *does* know it, but many disregard it.


>> but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>>
> Who's moral standards are you talking about?

The prevailing moral standards up until the late 1960s.


>> Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>> *FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>> This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>>
> This is true in today's society. However that is changing.

No, it isn't. In fact, the disparity in life outcomes between bastards
and children born to married couples is widening.


>>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>>
>>> Now explain that term to us
>>
>> Is English not your native language? Pity.
>>
> So you can't. Just as I expected.

You wouldn't understand it - just as I expected.


>>>
>>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>>
>>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>>
>> It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>>
> WHO sets the moral standards.

It doesn't matter who sets them. In fact, no identifiable persons set them.


>>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>>> wedlock.
>>>>
>>> What about a gay couple?
>>
>> Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>>
> "queers"?

Yes.

Robert Recton

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On 4/19/2012 10:58 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
> news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>
>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>>> dead for it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>> That one?
>>
>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
>> in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>
> Don't you just love how they fixate on the fact that Zimmerman was
> armed. AS IF, Zimmerman SPECIFICALLY armed himself to go "stalking".
>

As before, their rancid, misanthropic and totalitarian ideology
*requires* them to see it that way and describe it in those inflammatory
terms.

Robert Recton

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Done; see below.


>> Normal children with no disability would have learned how not to run afoul of school rules resulting in suspension.
>
> What is a "normal" child?

The vast majority who learn to follow reasonable school rules, such as
not spraying graffiti on school property, and don't get kicked out.


>> The fact that young Martin was repeatedly suspended showed some kind of mental disability.
>
> There is not ONE mental health worker that would agree with you.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Of *course* there are!

Robert Recton

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Ha ha ha ha ha! Of *course* it is! Why do you keep revealing yourself
to be the ignorant-of-the-law incompetent that you are?


>
>> The police report explicitly states that Sanford Fire Department paramedics
>> administered first aid to Zimmerman in the back of the patrol car.
>> There will be EMT reports introduced at trial.
>>
> And then we'll know if there is any injury to the back of his head.
> Not until then.

What do you want to bet, right now, that the EMT report documents some
kind of injury to the back of his head, and also an injury to his nose
where the young thug punched him?


>> You, being a racist far-left extremist bigot with an ideological *need*
>> to see Zimmerman as a bigoted aggressor, are simply seeing what you wish
>> to see - what fits with your bigoted racist extremist ideology.
>>
> No, you believe that crap you've been told on TV, radio and web sites.

No, that analysis of the left, and you, is my own - it's original.

You have no facts. *All* you have is your racist, extremist left-wing
ideology.


>>>
>>> And now that I know that Zimmerman WAS the appointed captain of the
>>> neighborhood watch
>>
>> And you claim to know that for what reason?
>>
> I posted the fucking links you ignorant twit!

I don't think you did, but even if you did, perhaps you could post them
again, as I must have missed them. But in fact, I don't think you did.
You already posted some garbage a few days ago purporting to show that
the incident took place a short distance from Martin's father's front
door, and in fact Martin's father doesn't live in the townhouse complex
at all; it's his regular sex partner who does.


>>> I have stopped using the word "stalk". The word
>>> would have been appropriate if he wasn't part of the neighborhood
>>> watch.
>>
>> No, it would not have been appropriate in any usage.
>
> Yes, it would have.

No - completely inappropriate, as nothing Zimmerman did constituted
stalking.


> >> HOWEVER...he is NOT supposed to carry a weapon. He will get in
> trouble
>>> for that.
>>
>> Officially chartered Neighborhood Watch groups instruct the members not
>> to carry weapons. It is not clear there ever was such a group at
>> neighborhood.
>
> Oh yes there is, dumbass. See? You don't READ a damn thing.

I can't read what isn't posted.


>> In any case, Zimmerman had a permit to carry the gun.

Why do you disregard that key fact?


>>
>>> And he's NOT supposed to get involved .. those are the rules
>>> of EVERY neighborhood watch group. And as a captain he should know
>>> that better than anyone else.
>>
>> It is not established that Zimmerman started the confrontation. He says
>> Martin started it. You have no evidence to the contrary.
>>
> He started it by getting out of his car

No, that's wrong.


>>>> Make no mistake: Zimmerman is in jail in large part because he is The
>>>> Great White Defendant. The Marxist puke Rahm Emmanuel notoriously said
>>>> "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." By analogy, the
>>>> governor and attorney general of Florida cannot afford *not* to make hay
>>>> with a Great White Defendant. Never mind that the governor and AG are
>>>> both white and are both Republicans; they are buying a huge amount of
>>>> political capital at the small price of George Zimmerman's future. A
>>>> Great White Defendant is simply too good an opportunity to be wasted.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you're last paragraph is nothing but whining. Stop it..you're
>>> better than that.
>>
>> Zimmerman's role as The Great White Defendant cannot be rationally disputed.
>>
> You are the only who thinks so.

No, there are a lot of people who correctly see it that way.

Lookout

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:31:45 -0700, Robert Recton <rr@rr.nüt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 10:58 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:35:27 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2012 10:07 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:58:09 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/2012 9:48 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:46:02 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>>>>>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>>>>>>> black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you have the moral values to pass judgment on the entire black
>>>>>> community?
>>>>>
>>>>> The social pathology of the biggest part of the urban black community
>>>>> invites that judgment.
>>>>>
>>>> Not from a layman.
>
> From any informed observer, such as me.
>
You're an UNINFORMED asshole. All you know is what you've been TOLD.
You DON'T READ. And that makes you ignorant.
>
>>>>>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>>>>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.
>>>>
>>>> No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
>>>> couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.
>>>
>>> And everyone knows that it's wrong,
>>
>> No, everyone doesn't know that.
>
>Everyone *does* know it, but many disregard it.
>
Nope. YOU are not the decider.
>
>>> but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>>>
>> Who's moral standards are you talking about?
>
>The prevailing moral standards up until the late 1960s.
>
Thanks for admitting you're 40 years behind the times.

>
>>> Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>>> *FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>>> This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>>>
>> This is true in today's society. However that is changing.
>
>No, it isn't. In fact, the disparity in life outcomes between bastards
>and children born to married couples is widening.
>
That fact that you used the term "bastards" shows how out of touch
with TODAY you are. You're an old black and white movie.
>
>>>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>>>
>>>> Now explain that term to us
>>>
>>> Is English not your native language? Pity.
>>>
>> So you can't. Just as I expected.
>
>You wouldn't understand it - just as I expected.
>
SO you used a term, directed to me, that you EXPECTED I wouldn't
understand?
HAHAHAHH
Making shit up as you go along.
>
>>>>
>>>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>>>
>>>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>>>
>> WHO sets the moral standards.
>
>It doesn't matter who sets them. In fact, no identifiable persons set them.
>
Then what are they?
>
>>>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>>>> wedlock.
>>>>>
>>>> What about a gay couple?
>>>
>>> Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>>>
>> "queers"?
>
>Yes.
>
Yup, you're an old Victrola.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 2:57:43 PM4/19/12
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NO, I mean show me PROOF. Not your words..show me the words of
EXPERTS.
Because we've already determined that you don't know shit.
>
>>> The fact that young Martin was repeatedly suspended showed some kind of mental disability.
>>
>> There is not ONE mental health worker that would agree with you.
>
>Ha ha ha ha ha! Of *course* there are!
>
Prove it.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:03:35 PM4/19/12
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I'm not. I'm very well read and literate, and I'm a careful observer.


>>>>>>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>>>>>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
>>>>> couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.
>>>>
>>>> And everyone knows that it's wrong,
>>>
>>> No, everyone doesn't know that.
>>
>> Everyone *does* know it, but many disregard it.
>>
> Nope. YOU are not the decider.

I didn't say I was. However, I am a very good moral observer.


>>>> but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>>>>
>>> Who's moral standards are you talking about?
>>
>> The prevailing moral standards up until the late 1960s.
>>
> Thanks for admitting you're 40 years behind the times.

That's just when the very notion of moral standards came under attack.
It is not just that the standards changed over time; it's that the
entire idea of having moral standards at all came to be seen as quaint.
It explains the biggest part of our social problems since then.


>>>> Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>>>> *FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>>>> This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>>>>
>>> This is true in today's society. However that is changing.
>>
>> No, it isn't. In fact, the disparity in life outcomes between bastards
>> and children born to married couples is widening.
>>
> That fact that you used the term "bastards" shows how out of touch
> with TODAY you are. You're an old black and white movie.

What I said is nonetheless true: bastards have a very worse life
outcome, on average, than children born to married parents, just as
children born to married parents whose parents subsequently divorce
have, on average, worse life outcomes than those whose parents remain
married and committed to seeing their children reach adulthood well
prepared to function as adults. There obviously are exceptions, of
course, but the averages are unmistakable. Bastards have very much
worse life prospects.


>>>>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>>>>
>>>>> Now explain that term to us
>>>>
>>>> Is English not your native language? Pity.
>>>>
>>> So you can't. Just as I expected.
>>
>> You wouldn't understand it - just as I expected.
>>
> SO you used a term, directed to me, that you EXPECTED I wouldn't
> understand?

I figured most educated people would get it. As you clearly are poorly
educated, I expected you might not. In any case, the term is written in
standard English. It should be hard to figure out what it means.

>>>>>
>>>>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>>>>
>>>>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>>>>
>>> WHO sets the moral standards.
>>
>> It doesn't matter who sets them. In fact, no identifiable persons set them.
>>
> Then what are they?

You know what moral standards are.


>>>>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>>>>> wedlock.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What about a gay couple?
>>>>
>>>> Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>>>>
>>> "queers"?
>>
>> Yes.

Queers is a perfectly good word for them.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:06:33 PM4/19/12
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Ha ha ha ha ha! What a clown! You asked me for examples, and I gave
them, and now you're changing your shrill demand.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:13:46 PM4/19/12
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No, the question is "What is a "normal" child?". That doesn't ask for
examples.
What happened to your reading skills?

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:20:05 PM4/19/12
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If you were then you would know that there was an organized
neighborhood watch and he was an appointed captain.
No, you are NOT well read. You're an idiot who listens to AM radio.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>>>>>>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
>>>>>> couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> And everyone knows that it's wrong,
>>>>
>>>> No, everyone doesn't know that.
>>>
>>> Everyone *does* know it, but many disregard it.
>>>
>> Nope. YOU are not the decider.
>
>I didn't say I was. However, I am a very good moral observer.
>
So am I. And you're wrong.
>
>>>>> but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>> Who's moral standards are you talking about?
>>>
>>> The prevailing moral standards up until the late 1960s.
>>>
>> Thanks for admitting you're 40 years behind the times.
>
>That's just when the very notion of moral standards came under attack.
.
No, that's when YOUR version of moral standards came under attack.
Guess what? Morals change. You haven't. You're old and useless now.
>
>It is not just that the standards changed over time; it's that the
>entire idea of having moral standards at all came to be seen as quaint.
>
And wrong again. There are still morals...they've just changed. You
obviously haven't attended any college or you would have learned
something about morals, ethics and ethos.
>
> It explains the biggest part of our social problems since then.
>
Right now YOU are the biggest problem. Old people who don't understand
that EVERYTHING changes.
>
>>>>> Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>>>>> *FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>>>>> This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>>>>>
>>>> This is true in today's society. However that is changing.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't. In fact, the disparity in life outcomes between bastards
>>> and children born to married couples is widening.
>>>
>> That fact that you used the term "bastards" shows how out of touch
>> with TODAY you are. You're an old black and white movie.
>
>What I said is nonetheless true: bastards have a very worse life
>outcome, on average, than children born to married parents, just as
>children born to married parents whose parents subsequently divorce
>have, on average, worse life outcomes than those whose parents remain
>married and committed to seeing their children reach adulthood well
>prepared to function as adults. There obviously are exceptions, of
>course, but the averages are unmistakable. Bastards have very much
>worse life prospects.
>
That is changing. But then again you hate change.
>
>>>>>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now explain that term to us
>>>>>
>>>>> Is English not your native language? Pity.
>>>>>
>>>> So you can't. Just as I expected.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't understand it - just as I expected.
>>>
>> SO you used a term, directed to me, that you EXPECTED I wouldn't
>> understand?
>
>I figured most educated people would get it. As you clearly are poorly
>educated, I expected you might not. In any case, the term is written in
>standard English. It should be hard to figure out what it means.
>
Then explain it for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>>>>>
>>>> WHO sets the moral standards.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter who sets them. In fact, no identifiable persons set them.
>>>
>> Then what are they?
>
>You know what moral standards are.
>
Sure I do. You don't. You know what they WERE but you don't know what
they are. You're old...and you won't change. And you'll die confused
and alone instead of adapting and living a long life.

Darwin wrote a book about your kind. You should read it.
>
>>>>>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>>>>>> wedlock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about a gay couple?
>>>>>
>>>>> Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>>>>>
>>>> "queers"?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>
>Queers is a perfectly good word for them.
>
If it's 1960.

Robert Rectön

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...but then Martin jumped him and started a fight, which ended with
Martin shot dead.

Check this out:

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

This has aerial photos, the paths that Zimmerman and Martin followed,
and shows the location of where the confrontation and shooting took
place as well as the location of Martin's father's sex partner's townhouse.

First, we can see right away that this all took place in common areas of
the townhouse development, *not* on anyone's "private property." Some
of the racist left-wing extremists commenting (blabbering) on this have
insisted that Zimmerman "trespassed" on private property, but the photos
clearly show that he didn't.

Second, we learn that Martin made it all the way to his father's sex
partner's door, before *doubling back* to confront Zimmerman as
Zimmerman was headed back to his truck. Martin traversed approximately
210 feet down the walkway through the common area, reached his father's
sex partner's door, then went back another 185-190 feet to confront and
challenge Zimmerman.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:24:28 PM4/19/12
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http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/dershowitz-zimmerman-affidavit-irresponsible-and-unethical

From the site:

Dershowitz is a well-known Democrat with a column on the
Huffington Post, but seemed stunned by how poorly written the
affidavit was, going so far as to call it “irresponsible and
unethical,” as well as Corey’s actions politically motivated. He
also said that if the prosecution didn’t have more evidence for
the case than what we’ve seen, “a good judge would throw it out.”

Also in it:

Dershowitz: It won’t suffice. Most affidavits of probable cause
are very thin; this is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge
on a second degree murder charge. There’s simply nothing in there
that would justify second degree murder. The elements of the crime
aren’t established.

Basically what’s in the affidavit is what’s in the public domain,
with the exception of a few little things that were put forward by
your previous commentator. But the fact that the mother identified
the voice as that of her son, of course, we all knew that was
going to happen. There’s nothing in there of course either about
the stains on the back of Zimmerman’s shirt, the blood on the back
of his head, the bloody nose, all of that.

It’s not only thin, it’s irresponsible. I think that what you have
here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech last
night for reelection when she gave her presentation, and
over-charged, way over-charged. This case will not, if the
evidence is no stronger that what appears in the probable-cause
affidavit, this case will result in an acquittal.


Dershowitz stopped just barely short of saying the special prosecutor,
Angela Corey, engaged in prosecutorial misconduct by her actions.

Robert Rectön

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Examples are sufficient to show that.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:25:21 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:20:22 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:

>...but then Martin jumped him and started a fight, which ended with
>Martin shot dead.
>
>Check this out:
>
>http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back
>
The police will give us this information from OFFICIAL sources.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:36:50 PM4/19/12
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>
>Examples are sufficient to show that.

One chance, asshole.

You said that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin "only" because Martin was
black

PROVE I said that. If you can then I'm lying and I'll admit I'm wrong.

If you can't then YOU admit you're lying.

I'll ignore any other post from you. If you can't answer this one then
we know you are lying but, as usual, can't admit it.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:38:07 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:28 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:

Dershowitz is jewish and he never met a jew he didn't support.

End of discussion

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:39:44 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>You're an idiot who listens to AM radio.

You're lying.

_____________
"Again, you're guess[sic]. That's lying." -Look-Guessing is
Lying-out"
Message-ID: <3iha06tfmrskb5jsb...@4ax.com>

"But you tried to imply. That's lying." -Look-Implying is Lying-Out"
Message-ID: <1s15j65bthnpqu89l...@4ax.com>

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

And Lookout responds DESPITE claiming to have filtered him.

Pathetic, really.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:43:05 PM4/19/12
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>Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:28 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>
>Dershowitz is jewish and he never met a jew he didn't support.
>
>End of discussion

Lookout hates Jews. Typical progressive, full of hate for his fellow
man.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:52:14 PM4/19/12
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Prove it. You're lying when you said you posted citations to show it.

I looked at all your posts from yesterday. At 4:06PM PDT, in a thread
entitled "Idiot's Idol Zimmerman Using Klan/NRA Money to Buy Jurors?",
you wrote "He WAS a captain in the neighborhood watch. I posted proof
today." At 4:46AM PDT, you wrote - in response to a post by Tim Howard
purporting to show that Zimmerman was *not* part of any official
neighborhood watch program - "If he wasn't part of the official
neighborhood watch then he's in a shit load of trouble."

At *NO* time in between those two posts did you put up anything showing
that Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch program. In fact, the
Tim Howard post to which you responded contained this:

Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs'
Association (NSA) -- the parent organization of
USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch -- it has been revealed that
Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the
organization.

So, you're lying when you say you "posted" something that showed
Zimmerman was in fact part of a neighborhood watch program, let alone
that he was the "captain" of it.

You're just lying, as usual.


>>>>>>>>>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>>>>>>>>>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who says it's supposed to be done that way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone knows it is supposed to be done that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you're wrong and in fact there are more and more cohabitation
>>>>>>> couples..its' becoming "the new norm" whether you like it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And everyone knows that it's wrong,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, everyone doesn't know that.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone *does* know it, but many disregard it.
>>>>
>>> Nope. YOU are not the decider.
>>
>> I didn't say I was. However, I am a very good moral observer.
>>
> So am I.

You're not. Ultra-extremists like you never are - you can't be.


>>>>>> but because the leftists have destroyed the notion of moral standards, they do it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who's moral standards are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> The prevailing moral standards up until the late 1960s.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for admitting you're 40 years behind the times.
>>
>> That's just when the very notion of moral standards came under attack.
> .
> No, that's when YOUR version of moral standards came under attack.

It's when the very idea of moral standards came under attack.


>> It is not just that the standards changed over time; it's that the
>> entire idea of having moral standards at all came to be seen as quaint.
>>
> And wrong again. There are still morals...

Barely. The mob of which you're a part has none.


>> It explains the biggest part of our social problems since then.
>>
>>
>>>>>> Well, one fact is clear: on average, children born in wedlock have
>>>>>> *FAR* better life outcomes than bastard children like Trayvon Martin.
>>>>>> This is known to social scientists across the political spectrum.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is true in today's society. However that is changing.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't. In fact, the disparity in life outcomes between bastards
>>>> and children born to married couples is widening.
>>>>
>>> That fact that you used the term "bastards" shows how out of touch
>>> with TODAY you are. You're an old black and white movie.
>>
>> What I said is nonetheless true: bastards have a very worse life
>> outcome, on average, than children born to married parents, just as
>> children born to married parents whose parents subsequently divorce
>> have, on average, worse life outcomes than those whose parents remain
>> married and committed to seeing their children reach adulthood well
>> prepared to function as adults. There obviously are exceptions, of
>> course, but the averages are unmistakable. Bastards have very much
>> worse life prospects.
>>
> That is changing.

It's not. The gulf is *widening*.

A very well-known liberal, Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, wrote a piece in The
Atlantic back in 1993, 19 years ago this month, called "Dan Quayle was
Right." She wrote then,

According to a growing body of social-scientific evidence,
children in families disrupted by divorce and out-of-wedlock birth
do worse than children in intact families on several measures of
well-being. Children in single-parent families are six times as
likely to be poor. They are also likely to stay poorer longer.
Twenty-two percent of children in one-parent families will
experience poverty during childhood for seven years or more, as
compared with only two percent of children in two-parent
families. A 1988 survey by the National Center for Health
Statistics found that children in single-parent families are two
to three times as likely as children in two-parent families to
have emotional and behavioral problems. They are also more likely
to drop out of high school, to get pregnant as teenagers, to abuse
drugs, and to be in trouble with the law. Compared with children
in intact families, children from disrupted families are at much
higher risk for physical or sexual abuse.

Things have only got worse for bastards since then, and they *continue*
to worsen.

You're wrong, but because you're morally bankrupt, as are all crazed
extremists, you can't learn from your errors.



>>>>>>>> Only vapid moral relativists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now explain that term to us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is English not your native language? Pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you can't. Just as I expected.
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't understand it - just as I expected.
>>>>
>>> SO you used a term, directed to me, that you EXPECTED I wouldn't
>>> understand?
>>
>> I figured most educated people would get it. As you clearly are poorly
>> educated, I expected you might not. In any case, the term is written in
>> standard English. It should be hard to figure out what it means.
>>
> Then explain it for me.

Just look up each of the words - there are only three of them, after all
- and try to make sense of it. Here's some help: "vapid" is an
adjective. "Moral relativists" is a compound noun: "moral" is
ordinarily an adjective in the context, but taken together the
expression "moral relativists" describes a class of people, so it's a noun.


>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - that is, morally bankrupt people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who sets the standards for morals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't matter who sets them - they exist, and people know what they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>> WHO sets the moral standards.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter who sets them. In fact, no identifiable persons set them.
>>>>
>>> Then what are they?
>>
>> You know what moral standards are.
>>
> Sure I do. You don't.

I do - better than you, even.

>
> Darwin wrote a book about your kind.

No, he didn't.


>>>>>>>> - try to rationalize that it is acceptable to bear children out of
>>>>>>>> wedlock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about a gay couple?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Queers can bear children conceived by the two of them? I don't think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>> "queers"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>
>> Queers is a perfectly good word for them.
>>
> If it's 1960.

Any time.

Robert Rectön

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You haven't hesitated so far from running your mouth on nonsense with no
source other than your own diseased imagination.

Anyway, that page pretty clearly - and *conclusively* - shows that the
following and the confrontation all took place on common areas, *not* on
anyone's individual private property. Three days ago you were shitting
your panties over Zimmerman having gone onto Martin's father's property.
You were proved wrong, multiple times: Martin's father doesn't live
there, and this all took place in what is called commons area.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:11:34 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 12:36 PM, Lookout wrote:
>
>>
>> Examples are sufficient to show that.
>
> One chance, asshole.
>
> You said that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin "only" because Martin was
> black
>
> PROVE I said that.

You have already admitted you used the word "stalked". You agreed with
your fellow fuckwitted far-left totalitarian extremist Scheisskopf that
it all happened "only" because Martin was black:

Scheisskopf:
Zimmerman had no right to pursue Martin. He was just a kid who had
the right to be there. Zimmerman profiled him then pursued him
because Martin was black. That's the ONLY reason.

Lockjaw:
You're right up to this point.

That was two days ago at 10:10AM PDT. I'm sure if I looked back a
little farther, I'd find where you said it explicitly, but agreeing with
it when your fellow America-hating far-left totalitarian extremist says
it is just as good.

Robert Rectön

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On 4/19/2012 12:38 PM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:28 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>
> Dershowitz is jewish and he never met a jew he didn't support.

See? You really are a racist bigot.

Who in the Zimmerman-Martin saga is Jewish?

Sid9

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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
news:xZydnaldfaci3g3S...@giganews.com...
> On 4/19/2012 9:31 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>> news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
>>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up
>>>>> dead for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>> That one?
>>>
>>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't live
>>> in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>>
>> It would have been a fairer fight if Martin was also an NRA member and
>> was armed.
>
> There was no need for a fight at all if Martin, rather than getting
> belligerent and aggressive, had simply explained that he was returning to
> his father's regular sex partner's house after a quick trip to the
> convenience store.

Since when is an American required to explain to anyone where he's going.
Your statement is about as arrogant as anything I've seen posted.
What Martin needed was what the NRA prescribed, a gun

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:39:47 PM4/19/12
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Here it is OLD MAN. Your OLD EYES missed it.

From: Lookout <mrloo...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Was Zimmerman the 'OFFICIAL' watch captain?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:20:40 -0500
Message-ID: <8lfto7lrue7e66796...@4ax.com>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1170

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-association-sued-martin-case-16099584

http://whohijackedourcountry.blogspot.com/2012/04/lawsuit-against-george-zimmermans.html

Confirms that Zimmerman COULD and WAS acting as the neighborhood watch
Captain at least according to the home owners association that owns
the gated community.

What we don't know is what the training includes and if Zimmerman
acted outside the parameters of his responsibility. In all probability
he was as MOST neighborhood watch groups tell the members to NOT get
involved, to simply call the police if they see something out of the
ordinary.

But since when is a 17 year old walking on the street "out of the
ordinary"?


Now..admit you are wrong.

I dare you.

Sid9

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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
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> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>
>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>
>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>> for it.
>>>
>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>> girlfriends also whores?
>
> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the black
> community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>
>
>> Get back to us on that.
>>
>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>
> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.

More than 40% of ALL births nowadays are from woman who are not married.
With woman becoming more and more financially independent they don't need
marriage as part of their lives.
They may have a permanent male partner but they are not necessarily married

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:42:09 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:11:34 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 12:36 PM, Lookout wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Examples are sufficient to show that.
>>
>> One chance, asshole.
>>
>> You said that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin "only" because Martin was
>> black
>>
>> PROVE I said that.
>
>You have already admitted you used the word "stalked". You agreed with
>your fellow fuckwitted far-left totalitarian extremist Scheisskopf that
>it all happened "only" because Martin was black:
>
> Scheisskopf:
> Zimmerman had no right to pursue Martin. He was just a kid who had
> the right to be there. Zimmerman profiled him then pursued him
> because Martin was black. That's the ONLY reason.
>
> Lockjaw:
> You're right up to this point.
>
I agree those are HIS words and HIS thoughts. HE is saying that
Zimmerman did it because he was black. I agree that Scheisskopf said
that.

That is NOT my thought. I've never said anything about either race in
this incident.

Dumbass...learn to READ.

>That was two days ago at 10:10AM PDT. I'm sure if I looked back a
>little farther, I'd find where you said it explicitly, but agreeing with
>it when your fellow America-hating far-left totalitarian extremist says
>it is just as good.
>
Nope..and you got it wrong this time.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:43:09 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:09:47 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 12:25 PM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:20:22 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>>
>>> ...but then Martin jumped him and started a fight, which ended with
>>> Martin shot dead.
>>>
>>> Check this out:
>>>
>>> http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back
>>>
>> The police will give us this information from OFFICIAL sources.
>
>You haven't hesitated so far from running your mouth on nonsense with no
>source other than your own diseased imagination.
>
>Anyway, that page pretty clearly - and *conclusively* - shows that the
>following and the confrontation all took place on common areas, *not* on
>anyone's individual private property.

The POLICE report says FEET FROM HIS FATHER'S door.
Your map is wrong. Period.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:43:12 PM4/19/12
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Who said he's required to do so? There were multiple options available
to Martin in terms of how he chose to react.

In fact, more and more evidence is pointing toward Martin being the one
who initiated the confrontation. It appears Martin approached
Zimmerman, who was returning to his truck, and challenged Zimmerman as
to why Zimmerman had been following Martin.

Sid9

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:43:23 PM4/19/12
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"Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
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> On 4/19/2012 10:08 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:59:41 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2012 9:56 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:47:21 -0500, clairbear<clai...@msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lookout<mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:05f0p7h6ife5sa86q...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:59:47 -0500, clairbear<clai...@msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lookout<mrloo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:4oc0p7po4svjjdmtl...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:34:57 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Robert Recton"<rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but
>>>>>>>>>>> then he foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and
>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> wound up dead for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>>>>>>>> That one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>>>>>>>> following - not "stalking"<scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't
>>>>>>>>> live in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and
>>>>>>>>> several burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen,
>>>>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The one in jail because it appears to professional law enforcement
>>>>>>>> that he violated the law? That one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appears being the active word here. Let them try him and if all of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> truth comes out in court. Hopefully, the jury deliver a just
>>>>>>> verdict.
>>>>>>> The shame of it a young man is dead because at least one of two of
>>>>>>> them got stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. But at 17 stupid is expected. At 25 it's not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Age and doing something stupid have little corelation, but maybe
>>>>> Zimmerman should have known better,MAYBE. You see it everyday on the
>>>>> roads someone gets stupid someone dies. It happens with firearms,
>>>>> drugs
>>>>> and just about anything else that can cause injury or death, age has
>>>>> nothing to do with who gets stupid. We've all had our stupid moments,
>>>>> fortunately most of us live and learn
>>>>>
>>>> But we do more stupid things when we're young. Martin didn't have a
>>>> chance to learn because Zimmerman got stupid.
>>>
>>> Martin had had more than enough opportunity to learn, based on his
>>> multiple prior suspensions from school. Martin apparently had a serious
>>> learning disability, as he continued to get kicked out of school for
>>> stupid stuff.
>>>
>> That has nothing to do with a learning disability you knucklehead.
>
> Of course it does. Normal children with no disability would have learned
> how not to run afoul of school rules resulting in suspension. The fact
> that young Martin was repeatedly suspended showed some kind of mental
> disability.

Many times the smartest of all students is the most unruly and the most
bored.
You have a false parallel not brought in the facts of this case.
You seem to make the shit up to suit your beliefs

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:44:26 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:14:22 -0700, Robert Rectön <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:

>On 4/19/2012 12:38 PM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:28 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>>
>> Dershowitz is jewish and he never met a jew he didn't support.
>
>See? You really are a racist bigot.
>
Jew isn't a race you fucking idiot. It's a religion.
>
>Who in the Zimmerman-Martin saga is Jewish?
>
And you PICK your religion, you don't pick your race. And that makes
it completely different.

Sid9

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:45:05 PM4/19/12
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"Robert Rectön" <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote in message
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You are not giving examples.
You are giving your preconceived opinion.

Sid9

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"clairbear" <clai...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:jmpekq$plf$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>> news:pcidnZCo-YI-rQ3S...@giganews.com...
>>> On 4/19/2012 8:20 AM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
>>>> news:y-udnQgkFd1Uuw3S...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then
>>>>> he foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound
>>>>> up dead for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "concerned citizen" who was stalking him with a gun?
>>>> That one?
>>>
>>> The concerned citizen who just happened to be armed and who was
>>> following - not "stalking" <scoff> - Martin because Martin didn't
>>> live in the neighborhood and appeared to be out of place, and several
>>> burglaries had been reported. That concerned citizen, yes.
>>
>> It would have been a fairer fight if Martin was also an NRA member and
>> was armed.
>>
>>
> So now you are becoming a gun advocate in you old age? Yeah, let's give
> everyone a concealed weapon. Then, sid will be happy.

Isn’t that what the NRA keeps pushing for?
More guns make you more safer?
Martin needed a gun to even out the playing field

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:47:54 PM4/19/12
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I'm not following this in talk.politics.guns


> Subject: Was Zimmerman the 'OFFICIAL' watch captain?
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:20:40 -0500
> Message-ID:<8lfto7lrue7e66796...@4ax.com>
> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1170
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-association-sued-martin-case-16099584

That describes a property owners' association newsletter whose accuracy
cannot be authenticated.


>
> http://whohijackedourcountry.blogspot.com/2012/04/lawsuit-against-george-zimmermans.html

More of the same.


>
> Confirms that Zimmerman COULD and WAS acting as the neighborhood watch
> Captain at least according to the home owners association that owns
> the gated community.

Of course, the accuracy of that newsletter is not established.

Sid9

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:49:26 PM4/19/12
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"Robert Rectön" <rr@rr.nüöt> wrote in message
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So says Zimmerman.
Dead men tell no tales.
Martin is dead.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:51:17 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 1:41 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> "Robert Recton" <rr@rr.nüt> wrote in message
> news:Y7udnQ5jZsjR3A3S...@giganews.com...
>> On 4/19/2012 8:44 AM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:52:55 -0700, Robert Recton<rr@rr.nüt> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blowjob, aka *I Hate the US*, bullshitted:
>>>>
>>>>> [bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he almost made it back to his father's whore's house, but then he
>>>> foolishly punched a concerned citizen in the face, and he wound up dead
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>> So is it any BLACK man's girlfriend is a whore or are WHITE men's
>>> girlfriends also whores?
>>
>> Martin's father was never married to Martin's mother - common in the
>> black community, in which there is a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate.
>>
>>
>>> Get back to us on that.
>>>
>>> And now we know why you've never been married and why you don't date.
>>
>> I'm married and have been for coming up on 12 years. I have an 11 year
>> old son who was born in wedlock...as it is supposed to be done.
>
> More than 40% of ALL births nowadays are from woman who are not married.

No, it's a little under 40%, although close to it, according to the
definitive study:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.htm


> With woman becoming more and more financially independent they don't
> need marriage as part of their lives.

The lives of women who bear bastard children also are materially worse
than those who are married when they have children.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:53:02 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 1:42 PM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:11:34 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2012 12:36 PM, Lookout wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Examples are sufficient to show that.
>>>
>>> One chance, asshole.
>>>
>>> You said that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin "only" because Martin was
>>> black
>>>
>>> PROVE I said that.
>>
>> You have already admitted you used the word "stalked". You agreed with
>> your fellow fuckwitted far-left totalitarian extremist Scheisskopf that
>> it all happened "only" because Martin was black:
>>
>> Scheisskopf:
>> Zimmerman had no right to pursue Martin. He was just a kid who had
>> the right to be there. Zimmerman profiled him then pursued him
>> because Martin was black. That's the ONLY reason.
>>
>> Lockjaw:
>> You're right up to this point.
>>
> I agree those are HIS words and HIS thoughts.

You're agreeing with him. I didn't ask you if you agreed that they are
"his words." He said that race (racial prejudice) is the "only" reason
Zimmerman followed Martin, and you agreed with him.

>
>> That was two days ago at 10:10AM PDT. I'm sure if I looked back a
>> little farther, I'd find where you said it explicitly, but agreeing with
>> it when your fellow America-hating far-left totalitarian extremist says
>> it is just as good.
>>
> Nope.

Probably I would find it.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:53:50 PM4/19/12
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Baloney. That's just another ideological belief you need to follow.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:54:53 PM4/19/12
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YOU should have paid attention to the headers. That's YOUR fault, not
mine.
>
>> Subject: Was Zimmerman the 'OFFICIAL' watch captain?
>> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:20:40 -0500
>> Message-ID:<8lfto7lrue7e66796...@4ax.com>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1170
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeowner-association-sued-martin-case-16099584
>
>That describes a property owners' association newsletter whose accuracy
>cannot be authenticated.
>
HAHAHAHAHHA
Yes, it's the OFFICIAL newsletter you dumbass.
Did you think to follow the link to "Retreat at Twin Lakes and do a
little reading? I tried to save you that problem. I guess you're to
fucking stupid to know when someone is trying to help you.
>>
>> Confirms that Zimmerman COULD and WAS acting as the neighborhood watch
>> Captain at least according to the home owners association that owns
>> the gated community.
>
>Of course, the accuracy of that newsletter is not established.
>

AHAHHAHAHAHAHH
Like I said...typical OLD conservative. You can't admit when you're
wrong.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:55:33 PM4/19/12
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Prove it.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:56:11 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:41:08 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
He's from the Mad Men generation. He just doesn't understand.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:56:16 PM4/19/12
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On 4/19/2012 1:44 PM, Lookout wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:14:22 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2012 12:38 PM, Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:28 -0700, Robert Rectön<rr@rr.nüöt> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dershowitz is jewish and he never met a jew he didn't support.
>>
>> See? You really are a racist bigot.
>>
> Jew isn't a race you fucking idiot. It's a religion.

It's an ethnicity. There's a reason that Jews are extremely reluctant
to accept converts, and that the question of who is a Jew is usually
answered by looking at the mother rather than the father.


>> Who in the Zimmerman-Martin saga is Jewish?
>>
> And you PICK your religion, you don't pick your race. And that makes
> it completely different.

You don't pick your ethnicity.

Your comment was bigoted, and in the way the word usually is used, racist.

You still didn't answer the question: Who is Jewish in this story?
What does that have to do with Dershowitz - definitely a leftist -
saying the case against Zimmerman has been handled unethically and sloppily?

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:56:39 PM4/19/12
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I certainly did.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:57:28 PM4/19/12
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So, you're being a hypocrite, because you hate private ownership of
guns. You hate the second amendment.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:57:47 PM4/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:43:23 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
People who live alone and have little contact with the outside world
tend to do that. The start to believe that the world should abide by
their beliefs..and they grow intolerant of anyone who believes
otherwise. He displays all the traits of a shut in..like klaus.

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:58:39 PM4/19/12
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Yep - so he says. So far, no one is saying otherwise.

There's another eyewitness who largely corroborates Zimmerman's account:
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:01:03 PM4/19/12
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So says the crotchety old man

Robert Rectön

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:01:52 PM4/19/12
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So? Do you know who writes and publishes those things?


>>>
>>> http://whohijackedourcountry.blogspot.com/2012/04/lawsuit-against-george-zimmermans.html
>>
>> More of the same.
>>
> Did you think to follow the link to "Retreat at Twin Lakes

No such link; only the links to the two news stories about an amateur
newsletter.


>>> Confirms that Zimmerman COULD and WAS acting as the neighborhood watch
>>> Captain at least according to the home owners association that owns
>>> the gated community.
>>
>> Of course, the accuracy of that newsletter is not established.
>>
>
> AHAHHAHAHAHAHH
> Like I said...typical OLD conservative. You can't admit when you're
> wrong.

The accuracy of the newsletter is not established. So, some homeowner
wrote that Zimmerman was the "captain" of some kind of crime prevention
initiative. What's needed is the official minutes of the homeowner
association meetings, but of course you don't have that.

Lookout

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:01:55 PM4/19/12
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No, its a fact and that includes children with ADD and ADHD.

But I'm guessing you don't believe in those problems, right?
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