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JHbs

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May 6, 2004, 11:01:53 AM5/6/04
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In the Florida "Ocala Star Banner"
on wednesday May 5, 2004 Classifieds:

NOTICE
The Ocala Star Banner will no longer accept handgun or assault weapons
advertising by private parties. Licensed gun dealers will be allowed to
offer handguns and legal semiautomatic weapons for sale in the
classified section, providing a dealer's license number is in the ad and
a copy of their state of florida Dealer's License is on file with the
Star Banner. Private individuals can still advertise hunting rifles and
shotguns in the classified. In no case will we advertise any weapon
that is prohibited by law from being sold, including any "semiautomatic"
assault weapon or copies or duplicates thereof.
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I am asking for support in the form of letters of protest, to the editor
of the Ocala Star Banner. I acknowledge that many here are not in
Florida, but that Florida is a state dependent upon its major industry;
tourism.

Letters to the Editor:

elaine....@starbanner.com

Be creative; write that Ocala will not be a destination because, while
it is a "gun fiendly" state by law, the Star-Banner" has restricted one
of your purposes in going there. Or write that you will specificallly
exclude their advertisers from consideration of where to stay, where to
eat or where to make purchases...

Thanks in advance,
-
jhbs

elaine....@starbanner.com

betweentheeyes

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May 6, 2004, 2:53:31 PM5/6/04
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"JHbs" <pha...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I'm not trying to discourage you, but you should look at the actions of the
Star-Banner from their point of view. Would they care or modify their
behavior if someone from Denton Texas explains their dissatisfaction over
the Star-Banner not accepting hand gun advertisements or the threat of a
Denton Texas resident not visiting Mickey Mouse this year?

You may believe in your heart the Star-Banner has some concern but the
reality is, they do not.

The ONLY concern they have is the effect on readership their advertising ban
has. Unless you convince the Star-Banner their actions will negatively
effect their circulation numbers and vis-a-vi their advertising revenues,
you will not have an effect on the Star-Banner's behavior.

Are you an NRA member? Have you contacted the NRA affiliate, United
Sportsmen of Florida (USF)?

You and your fellow Florida firearm owners need to effect Star-Banner
circulation. Step one in this cause is to inform your fellow Florida
Sportsmen. How are you going to do that?


z

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May 6, 2004, 4:12:39 PM5/6/04
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"JHbs" <pha...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<1ksmc.83440$oN1....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>...

Gee, I didn't realize that conservatives got so upset when private
enterprises exercised their rights to do business as they see fit. And
yes, I do recognize your right to refrain from doing business with any
enterprise with whom you disagree. And your right to drum up a frenzy
in the mob to extort any enterprise with whom you disagree into
agreeing with you, if you really feel that strongly. It's just
distasteful to see it done for trivia.
Me, I'm saving up my energies so that I can start a national Email
campaign to pressure Fox TV advertisers, in order to force Fox to
bring back Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire.

JerryMouse

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May 6, 2004, 5:16:42 PM5/6/04
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betweentheeyes wrote:
>
> You may believe in your heart the Star-Banner has some concern but the
> reality is, they do not.
>
> The ONLY concern they have is the effect on readership their
> advertising ban has. Unless you convince the Star-Banner their
> actions will negatively effect their circulation numbers and vis-a-vi
> their advertising revenues, you will not have an effect on the
> Star-Banner's behavior.

Show us one, ONE, news organization whose editorial opinion has changed as a
result of viewer/reader outrage. Some media are conservative (WSJ, Fox),
some are liberal (ABC, CBS,NBC, PBS, NY Times, LA Times, Wash Post, Redbook,
Salon, The Nation, Toyota Repair Manual, User's Guide for your B&D Coffee
Maker, and others), but none of which I'm aware have changed their editorial
policy to accommodate their customers.

Paul Cassel

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May 6, 2004, 5:32:23 PM5/6/04
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betweentheeyes wrote:
>
> The ONLY concern they have is the effect on readership their
> advertising ban has. Unless you convince the Star-Banner their
> actions will negatively effect their circulation numbers and vis-a-vi
> their advertising revenues, you will not have an effect on the
> Star-Banner's behavior.
>
They're likely also worried about a suit. You can argue that that could
discourage car sales too, but there is a diff. There aren't a bunch of
attorneys out there who are in a mission from God to eliminate cars from US
society. If one of these types gets wind that a gun bought through a
newspaper ad (like the gunshow loophole) got used to kill a (child, dog,
nice old woman), they'd sue the paper. Enough such suits and one will
succeed after finding a judge with a similar lean.

They will have to see a drastic drop off in readership before they'll risk
the exposure.

-paul


betweentheeyes

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May 6, 2004, 5:47:41 PM5/6/04
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"Paul Cassel" <pa...@abq.com> wrote in message
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Agree, you are stating the reasons the news organization would be limiting
advertising. I was stating the method to apply pressure to the new
organization. Apples and Oranges, but I agree with your statement.

Regarding your comment, 'drastic drop off in readership'. You stated my
point more succinctly.


betweentheeyes

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May 6, 2004, 5:54:07 PM5/6/04
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"JerryMouse" <nos...@bisusa.com> wrote in message
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I do not have the proof to back up, but on the show 24 (Fox television) they
closed the show with a 'informational message' from AGS (Americans for Gun
Safety). I complained. I can assume others did the same to Fox television.
I watch the show. There have been no additional AGS 'informational
messages'.

Did my comment cause Fox to decline additional AGS messages? You and I will
never know.

Is your premise correct? Is mine? Again, not sure you and I will ever
know. Mine is based on economics and Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
Star-Banner has at the top of the pyramid the need for survival.


JerryMouse

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May 6, 2004, 6:49:58 PM5/6/04
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z wrote:
>
> Gee, I didn't realize that conservatives got so upset when private
> enterprises exercised their rights to do business as they see fit. And
> yes, I do recognize your right to refrain from doing business with any
> enterprise with whom you disagree. And your right to drum up a frenzy
> in the mob to extort any enterprise with whom you disagree into
> agreeing with you, if you really feel that strongly. It's just
> distasteful to see it done for trivia.

They don't get upset - they take creative action.

I remember years ago it came out that the person in charge of that sort of
thing noticed Howard Hughes' supply of BananaNut ice cream was running low.
He called Baskin-Robbins and ordered 100 gallons.

"I'm sorry, we no longer have that flavor available," said the order-taker.

This was totally unacceptable. Within a day, Baskin-Robbins shut down one
production line in order to re-create 100 gallons of a discontinued flavor.
It was either that or the Hughes empirre would buy the damn company and fire
all the sons-of-bitches who were in on the plot to deprive the world of
BananaNut!

You can't get much more trivial than BananaNut.


> Me, I'm saving up my energies so that I can start a national Email
> campaign to pressure Fox TV advertisers, in order to force Fox to
> bring back Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire.

You MAY have to move to Massachusetts to be a participant.


JerryMouse

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May 6, 2004, 7:15:12 PM5/6/04
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betweentheeyes wrote:
>
> Is your premise correct? Is mine? Again, not sure you and I will
> ever know. Mine is based on economics and Maslow's hierarchy of
> needs. Star-Banner has at the top of the pyramid the need for
> survival.

You're correct in that we are not in the minds of the decision-makers. But
Maslow's theory breaks down in cases like "Air America" and, maybe, the
Star-Banner.


Zachary Hilbun

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May 6, 2004, 10:28:00 PM5/6/04
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The Ocala Star Banner is not an isolated case. There is a anti-gun group
going around trying to convince all the newspapers to stop taking
advertising for handguns. The Dallas Morning News did the same thing in
July of 2003. I don't think it has anything to do with liability. It's
just another way for a newspaper to be Politically Correct.

--
===================================================
Zachary Hilbun
Software Consultant http://www.vianova.com
Via Nova OpenGL, Open Inventor 3D products, Windows 95/NT
Dallas, Texas VC++, C#, embedded systems, VxD's
1977 SSII SRX31185
Glock 30

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Morton Davis

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May 7, 2004, 12:11:35 AM5/7/04
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"Zachary Hilbun" <gun...@vianova.com> wrote in message
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> The Ocala Star Banner is not an isolated case. There is a anti-gun group
> going around trying to convince all the newspapers to stop taking
> advertising for handguns. The Dallas Morning News did the same thing in
> July of 2003. I don't think it has anything to do with liability. It's
> just another way for a newspaper to be Politically Correct.
>
> --
> ===================================================
> Zachary Hilbun
> Software Consultant http://www.vianova.com
> Via Nova OpenGL, Open Inventor 3D products, Windows 95/NT
> Dallas, Texas VC++, C#, embedded systems, VxD's
> 1977 SSII SRX31185
> Glock 30

Question: What law makes it illegal for privte parties to sell
"semiautomatic"
assault weapons or copies or duplicates thereof that they own. Further,
what law makes it illegal to sell a handgun you own? This brawd would have a
had time at the local flea market. I saw a Russian rocket launcher for sale
there last week end.

-*MORT*-

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